jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 8:38 AM

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mf literally was too strong the worm gods feared him after he bitch slap the mother worm TE_PeepoLaughPoint

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 8:42 AM

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jolly vector mf literally was too strong the worm gods feared him after he bitch slap the mot...

Not quite

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He bitch slapped the thing that was trapping the worm gods

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Do bear in mind the worm gods were very weak and starving to death

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 8:43 AM

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not the point

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the point is oryx is dogshit

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comparison to rhulk

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 8:43 AM

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Rhulk beat the shit out of the leviathan and basically said “yo if big momma comes with me and powers my superweapon, I’ll set up a way to feed all of you”

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 8:44 AM

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also brings in an interesting question tho

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 8:44 AM

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Also meh, I don’t think any of them are particularly strong relative to each other

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Like Rhulk has a super weapon and some sick dance moves

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 8:45 AM

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like sav on light power how strong is she compare to oryx

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cus the super weapon was made by him

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 8:45 AM

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Oryx has the whole taken thing (even if that’s heavily influenced by the Witness)

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 8:45 AM

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and if sav didnt trapped him long enough for us to kill him he would've killed her first

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easily too

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I seriously doubt oryx can do jack shit, his main power is taking shits and made it his own army to destroy worlds

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rhulk himself with his tech he soloed his own world sun and many others

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would his drown in the deep work on oryx tho?

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Did the witness basically cause everything that happened by hive? Meaning oryx and xivu i know about savathun

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:19 AM

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yes

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Rhulk had a piece in it

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but the Witness was the main one behind everything

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:19 AM

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well witness put rhulk into creating the hive

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and put them into powerful beings for them to control

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after that I dont think rhulk did much else

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:20 AM

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So rhulk did a ton basically

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:20 AM

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so you can say witness is the boss of the hive, but rhulk was the creator

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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Ugh why did i never look into him more damn

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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jolly vector so you can say witness is the boss of the hive, but rhulk was the creator

Mhm i see i see

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I never cared about the rhulk lore which is mega dumb but from what i read calus is nothing but an ant infront if him correct?

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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pretty much

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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blame bungo for that

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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Calus was the backup plan incase we didn't join the Witness

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:21 AM

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calus is weak, but not as weak as we saw him in the campaign

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it was stupid

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:22 AM

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jolly vector calus is weak, but not as weak as we saw him in the campaign

Calus was weak

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that was kinda the point

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:22 AM

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When i heard calus disciple I thought he would have his own raid or something

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Before i got the dlc

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:22 AM

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he did had a raid

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the first raid in d2 even

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:22 AM

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Calus was just a tool to throwaway

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:23 AM

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but then it was more of an expansion into the lore of him finding the witness and having galran into play

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which then give savathun more screen time

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:24 AM

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Calus wasn't as much a threat himself as was what he had to give the Witness

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namely an army and cloning technology

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:24 AM

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funny since he was also a throw away before too when he got pulled from the throne TE_pepeLaff

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calus feels more like a bridge of information concerning the more important characters

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first with savathun, then caialt, now witness

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Yea he is the pool that every time it has more stuff to offer

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Lore wise

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:26 AM

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lmao I forgot about the literally main villain of d2 first campaign too

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:27 AM

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jolly vector calus feels more like a bridge of information concerning the more important char...

I mean yeah that is the point of his character

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:27 AM

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How many has the witness had?

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So far i know two

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:27 AM

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tawdry wigeon How many has the witness had?

unknown

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4 minimum

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1 unnamed

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Calus

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Rhulk

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Nezarec

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:27 AM

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bungie havent says shit about the true number yet

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atleast we get to see nezy

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even if its just his head

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:28 AM

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Oh nez yea i forgot

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:28 AM

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if we're lucky we might see nez true form in final shape

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:28 AM

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But 4 minimum huh hmm im curious to see if we will fight the other/s soon

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:29 AM

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idk maybe they'll just leave them for later, after final shape is done

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like them going after you after beating witness

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:29 AM

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jolly vector even if its just his head

Concept art is likely canon

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:29 AM

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jolly vector like them going after you after beating witness

Could do that tbh

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Or they could tie the vex with them in a way

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:30 AM

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they can literally just make the vex finally reach the veil

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now they can fight us on equal grounds

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else with the vault still being dead they are just useless

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:30 AM

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So next saga is vex? I really hope so

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:31 AM

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might know something in the reveal next month

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:31 AM

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Mhm

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Oh i can't wait

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:31 AM

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they always like giving the name of next couple expansions

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:32 AM

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Yea i have noticed

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I cant wait

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I love the way the story is going tho for sure

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Oh the nine

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The could be something in the future

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:36 AM

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jolly vector they always like giving the name of next couple expansions

Been a while since we got anything new

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TFS was revealed back in Y4 I believe

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:36 AM

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tawdry wigeon The could be something in the future

Don't count it

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:37 AM

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Why not?

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:37 AM

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the nine are uh

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very unimportant in the grand scheme

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they're just sentient space dust

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very little in the way of magic powers

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we also haven't heard anything of them since Y3

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:38 AM

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prophecy dungeon is kinda them showing their powers a bit

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which sucks ass cus the boss lore wise is weak as hell

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Oof

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Prophecy was just a warning

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vague

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but it happened

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:39 AM

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counterfeit taken does sounds cool enough

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Well damn ig vex it is then as the next saga

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:39 AM

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told us what planets would dissapear

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Kell Echo represents Eramis

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Phalanx Echo idfk maybe Caiatl

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:40 AM

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I doubt we will see anything from eliksni or cabal in the future as a main dlc

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:40 AM

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I mean

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Yirix is still about

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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Yirix?

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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and Eramis is around though her loyalty after the Witness disappeared is a question

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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tawdry wigeon Yirix?

Calus loyalist

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hasn't been seen since Risen

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:44 AM

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Oh ig he is something that could appear

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But as a main dlc villain?

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Idk

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:45 AM

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I seriously hope the vex finally get the veil and have more powers to fight us

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cus literally atheon wasnt even as strong as crota

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and bitch can rewrite time

sick yew Jul 28, 2023, 9:46 AM

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The Vex's strength comes from the fact that they play the long game

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Pretty much everything that has happened since d1 was just a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of the vex

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They're relentless and work on such a large scale

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That's what makes them scary

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 9:52 AM

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Scarier than the witness?

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:53 AM

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for now hell no

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maybe that's why bungo made the veil in the first place

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to buff the vex hopefuly

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:54 AM

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considering the Veil is the key to defeating the Witness

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no

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:55 AM

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who knows im just coping hard

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 9:55 AM

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yes you are

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 9:55 AM

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cus they gonna need to make some other shit to buff them

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I literally cant get over how weak the vex are but how strong they suppose to be

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Okay so. The veil is the key to defeating the witness but at the same time it creates the biggest cheat code in all universe makes it weird for me. Like how will they destroy him if he can use it to get to god mode?

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 10:37 AM

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how is unknown

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we know the Witness wanted the veil destroyed

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that was the purpose of the radial mast

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 10:57 AM

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Destroyed or to become one with the traveler?

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That's what i understood from the cutsene

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Cuz if the veil is destroyed then what? Huge unbalance in the universe? Like idk what would come after that

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:08 AM

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real ingot that was the purpose of the radial mast

That's the thing
It used Ghost, a being of Light, to connect the Veil with the Traveler.

The Radial Mast was also an artifact of Light.

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I think it wanted to use it to activate the Veil and connect them

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:09 AM

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trim grotto I think it wanted to use it to *activate* the Veil and connect them

both

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We know from when the Witness first takes over Ghost that the Witness wants it destroyed

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But something changed after they sent in Calus himself

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The link was the prime objective

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:11 AM

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Maybe it showed us because it was a bluff to get Ghost in there

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:11 AM

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Xivu taking care of Ahsa since she knew more of the situation can also be seen as clean up

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The Taken in the Garden

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covering up the tracks left behind

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:12 AM

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True, true

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:12 AM

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The Witness knows it's weakness

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it has its agents covering up any trace we can get

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fits with the Shadow Legion kidnappings as well

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they were vying for time

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:13 AM

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A distraction tactic

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:13 AM

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time to clean everything up

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that's why they were kept alive

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 11:14 AM

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Do we know the time period from the abandonment of the witnesses race up until now?

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:15 AM

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unknown

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:15 AM

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Billions of years

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:15 AM

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but millenia

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wait that's 1k

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:15 AM

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The Hive are billions of years old, and the Witness is an unknown amount older than they.

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 11:15 AM

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More than billions

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Holy

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:16 AM

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trim grotto The Hive are billions of years old, and the Witness is an unknown amount older t...

But yeah Marl did I do good with an actual idea this time?

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 11:16 AM

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The more i think about how long they've been trying to take down the traveler the more pissed i get

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Like bro

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Yall are going to die anyway

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:17 AM

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real ingot But yeah Marl did I do good with an actual idea this time?

For sure

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:17 AM

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trim grotto For sure

this all came to me as my partner forced me to watch Baby Driver

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man I need to do this more often

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:19 AM

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Baby Driver was excellent

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:19 AM

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trim grotto Baby Driver was excellent

must agree

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@fresh zephyr make me watch movies more often

fresh zephyr Jul 28, 2023, 11:20 AM

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real ingot <@456226577798135808> make me watch movies more often

monkaCoffee

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 11:20 AM

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Come down to visit and have a movie night

real ingot Jul 28, 2023, 11:23 AM

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trim grotto Come down to visit and have a movie night

give it a few years when I'm free from my endless schedule

fresh zephyr Jul 28, 2023, 11:29 AM

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real ingot give it a few years when I'm free from my endless schedule

a schedule filled because you keep saying yes

tulip knoll Jul 28, 2023, 11:58 AM

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So uh is there a full collection anywhere of everything from the past 8 weeks of veil containment?

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Missed on all of it except week 1 due to them giving no indication

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 12:14 PM

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tulip knoll Missed on all of it except week 1 due to them giving no indication

Destiny Lore Vault
YouTube channel, has it categorised by playlist

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 12:33 PM

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tulip knoll Missed on all of it except week 1 due to them giving no indication

you can literally just go in and listen to all of them tho

trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 12:38 PM

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Also that yeah

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Just launch the mission again

jolly vector Jul 28, 2023, 12:39 PM

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dont even need to fight anything TE_pepeLaff

rose mauve Jul 28, 2023, 2:50 PM

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r/DestinyTheGame - The Science of the Veil Explained : The Von Neum...

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trim grotto Jul 28, 2023, 2:50 PM

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cheeky

slim elk Jul 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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Here's an interesting line from it

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It also explain concepts like Taking and suggests that the more powerful in Darkness you are, the more capable you are at rejecting the reality of a weaker mind and substituting it with you own.,

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The Witness is an entire conglomerate of a species minds. And we saw it causally.. rend apart paracausal entities with a glance and gesture

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(The lightfall intro cutscene)
Seems its capable to a level it can "overide" reality itself locally

rose mauve Jul 28, 2023, 3:00 PM

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Mhm and the more powerful you are in Darkness, the more ability you have to reject someone’s reality and substitute your own

ember storm Jul 28, 2023, 3:04 PM

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the witness can call guardians cringe and kill them on the spot

green cobalt Jul 28, 2023, 3:06 PM

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reed Sadge

dawn escarp Jul 28, 2023, 3:10 PM

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If consciousness persists beyond death via the veil and strand; and strand constructs exist. Could one reanimate a person via strand construct?

dawn escarp Jul 28, 2023, 3:13 PM

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ember storm the witness can call guardians cringe and kill them on the spot

pulls a Dr.Manhattan

tawdry mauve Jul 28, 2023, 5:57 PM

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so is it confirmed that the other 3 original vault of glass raiders were straight up expunged from time itself

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and thats why we only know of the actual 3 ( Kabr Praedyth and Pahanin)

empty fern Jul 28, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Yep

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 6:04 PM

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tawdry mauve so is it confirmed that the other 3 original vault of glass raiders were straigh...

Not sure about confirmed but VERY heavily implied

tawdry mauve Jul 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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i mean its fun either way :)

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fun as in "thats cool"

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Because you cannot open the Vault alone, Kabr did, but he was not alone

tawdry mauve Jul 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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in actuallity its kinda mortifying

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 6:05 PM

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You could say he did it with Praedyth and Pahanin but we can remember both of them (and they both survived) so there's no reason for Kabr to say that

tawdry mauve Jul 28, 2023, 6:06 PM

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so we will litterally never know

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who the other 3 were

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due to the nature of the vault

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thats crazy

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bungie's writing is sometimes so intriguing makes me wonder why they fail to craft good campaigns CATGRIN

pearl basin Jul 28, 2023, 6:21 PM

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whats the avg lifespan of a hive and cabal , i mean they're not immortal right ?

tawdry mauve Jul 28, 2023, 6:22 PM

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the hive effectively are

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if they keep killing

pearl basin Jul 28, 2023, 6:22 PM

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oh yea i forgot

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worm gods

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and the cabal ? , is there any lore suggesting how old they can get on avg ?

tawdry wigeon Jul 28, 2023, 6:25 PM

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From the latest revamp of the cabal strike in edz we can see that the successors can get the names of their predecessors to fulfill or continue their role. Do we see that anywhere else?

tulip knoll Jul 28, 2023, 6:32 PM

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green cobalt reed <:Sadge:1020160876973658113>

Bro didn’t deserve the way he died

smoky rose Jul 28, 2023, 7:18 PM

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pearl basin and the cabal ? , is there any lore suggesting how old they can get on avg ?

Hundreds or thousands of years

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Caiatl is somewhere around 300-400 iirc

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And she's relatively young

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The Cabal literally just eventually turn into bones

green cobalt Jul 28, 2023, 7:31 PM

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are they shamed for not dying in battle? CatThink

ember storm Jul 28, 2023, 7:33 PM

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doubt it

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I mean you’re not allowed to go home unless you win so

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if they earn the right to retire I’d imagine people would celebrate it

chrome fog Jul 28, 2023, 10:16 PM

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Thank you discus for summarizing where the consensus should be on for the Veil (also this is a bookmark for reading)

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 12:01 AM

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The complication comes from the Witness species also only going after the traveler after Veil exposure

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 12:08 AM

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slim elk The complication comes from the Witness species *also* only going after the trav...

They already had the ideas prior

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The only reason they chased it was because the Traveler bugged out on them

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They didn't change their philosophy at all from what it was before the veil

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They just had to chase the traveler to apply it and fulfill their perceived higher purpose

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 12:19 AM

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smoky rose They already had the ideas prior

Just think the "minor detail" isn't so minor.

If Witness was behind Mayas "corruption" then could narrow it down to Sol (and likely Neptune itself)
Yet we saw the Pyramid Fleet beyond Sol (and the galaxy for that matter) and only reacted at end of Red War despite knowing by that point Traveler was still in Earth orbit

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The question becomes why it took so long to return
The Wager is suspect now because of Unveiling being propaganda. Why would Witness suddenly decide to "stop" its crusade when Guardians portray its worst fears realized?
(Light used as a weapon and capable of bringing great calamities)

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 12:39 AM

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There's a missing piece to the puzzle here.. and we have a name for it.

Savathun

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 1:05 AM

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I also think Ghosts need more examination

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Given the Witness can just spontaneously take control

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 1:07 AM

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smoky rose Given the Witness can just spontaneously take control

There's a decent fridge logic courtesy of the cutscene itself

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See the Pyramids? They weren't built with darkness.. the Witness species had them before they made contact with the Veil

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Makes them built with the Light primarily

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 1:09 AM

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Well yes but they were still made by the witness

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or the precursors, you get the idea

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Ghosts were not

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 1:15 AM

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Point here is in arrivals Ghost identifies a Pyramid as a paracausal entity akin to the Traveler

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As we now know the origins of the pyramids as built by mortal hands with Light

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Association with Dark comes later.. we might be looking at hyrbids

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The knowledge of how to use Light never went away by all accounts..

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Where ghosts get interesting is that they each have own unique personalities and consciousness. To the point they can turn against the Traveler itself (Tolands ghost)

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Where did all that come from? Light is the physical domain.. them having all unique identities fits more with darkness

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 1:47 AM

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slim elk Point here is in arrivals Ghost identifies a Pyramid as a paracausal entity akin...

before we even knew the witness existed

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we hadn’t even differentiated between the pyramids and the darkness itself

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we thought the pyramids were solely responsible

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now this could be a stupid question, but is there any record of the pyramid ships actually doing anything “special” before they made contact with the veil?

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the way you’re describing it sounds exactly like how you could describe something possible thanks to the powers granted during a golden age

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to me it just sounds like they made some neat ships that were just actual ships thanks to the traveler, before souping them all up with darkness later

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 1:54 AM

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ember storm to me it just sounds like they made some neat ships that were just actual ships ...

That's the interesting part. We don't know exactly what they are "imbued" with.

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But Witness is powerful enough to make "neat ships" into paracausal entities rivaling the traveler unto themselves

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 1:55 AM

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slim elk That's the interesting part. We don't know exactly what they are "imbued" with.

the same kind of orange energy we've seen practically everything black fleet related use? which is just another thing of darkness

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 1:55 AM

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slim elk But Witness is powerful enough to make "neat ships" into paracausal entities riv...

again, i really don't think this is the case

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the traveler can just tear them to shreds

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the witness itself is the only actual threat to the traveler

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the ships are still just ships

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one of them was powered by the mother of the worm gods and it got trapped in a bog

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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ember storm again, i really don't think this is the case

Just gets a read on the Witness power if it's capable of having a entire fleet of paracausal ships created from mortal creations

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 2:03 AM

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i don't think this is something that can really just be attributed to the witness

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like i said earlier, isn't it what would happen to basically any traveler blessed civilization?

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 2:10 AM

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No prior traveler blessed civilization had anything on this scale as far as we know

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 2:12 AM

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because the witness' civilization didn't have the witness bearing down on them

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they had the traveler for so long they grew to the point where their prosperity bored them

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i honestly don't really believe the pyramids are anything too special

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technologically speaking, thaat's just how far the civilization advanced thanks to the traveler's blessing

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then after coming into contact with the veil, is when i think darkness actually came into the picture at all

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so they just went from advanced machines to advanced machines which use darkness

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 2:16 AM

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And that's ironically the point trying to make here
The Witness was mortal. It learned how to do all of this.. it can be replicated by someone else

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 2:16 AM

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your point is you're trying to make the pyramids and ghosts related

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i just don't think they are

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it's entirely different scenarios and origins

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 2:18 AM

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That was more insinuating how Witness manages to hijack them by potential darkness inside them.

It seems Darkness is the source of memory, thought, intelligence and consciousness no?

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Implies every sapient being would thus have connection to the darkness

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Including.. the ghosts

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 2:20 AM

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slim elk That was more insinuating how Witness manages to hijack them by potential darkne...

i wouldn't say that

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 4:55 AM

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slim elk That was more insinuating how Witness manages to hijack them by potential darkne...

if I remember things correctly, things arent exactly as black and white as they seem. Light is the manifestation of chaos, of paracausality, guardians basically pull light out of their ass, while the Darkness is a manifestation of order. Doesn't the witness essentially want to kill the traveler because of all the civilizations that it has brought to ruin?

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like the fallen and humanity

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both were prospering long before the traveler came

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when the traveler came boom, golden age, but then it all collapsed

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:12 AM

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crude valve if I remember things correctly, things arent exactly as black and white as they ...

Not talking black and white or any form of morality for that matter. I'm talking the domains of the light and dark

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:12 AM

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slim elk Not talking black and white or any form of morality for that matter. I'm talking...

by black and white I mean good and bad

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:13 AM

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Look at guardians, they can't remember their past lives. There's two reasons for that.. either it's an intentional mind wipe or the Traveler-Ghost simply cant restore memories like the Darkness can..

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It's outside of the Lights "domain"

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If that's true though then it raises the question of how the Ghosts developed their own extensive unique identities

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Being the darkness is what's associated with consciousness, thoughts, memory etc

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Unless there's a "bit" of darkness in Ghosts and that allows the Witness to pull its hijacking

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:18 AM

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maybe everything has dark and light inside them

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what about that dungeon where you ask the nine about the meaning of the light and the dark or whatever

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:19 AM

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slim elk Look at guardians, they can't remember their past lives. There's two reasons for...

they dont keep memories so they can have a fresh start, in a hope they will use the powers for the right actions

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:19 AM

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there must be light and darkness in everything

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light would not exist without darkness and vice versa

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if light does not exist then neither does darkness

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maybe its a yin and yang thing

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idk

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:20 AM

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crude valve there must be light and darkness in everything

And that's a interesting quirk when even the wholly light derived entity (Ghosts) would require it..

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Where the Traveler get the darkness to pull that from without risking corruption or capture by the Witness is the question

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 5:21 AM

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crude valve there must be light and darkness in everything

yes

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the difference between Light and Dark, while there, does not matter

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we are of both body (physical [Light]) and of mind (concious [Dark])

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:22 AM

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what about beyond light and strand. what if guardians can harness it because there is some Darkness inside them too

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 5:22 AM

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this was something Bungie has been trying to get at for a while

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"The Line between Light and Dark is so very thin"

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the end dialogue to Prophecy

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 5:22 AM

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crude valve what about beyond light and strand. what if guardians can harness it because the...

well yeah, there is Darkness within all of us

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as is Light

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:23 AM

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crude valve what about beyond light and strand. what if guardians can harness it because the...

atleast with stasis, anyone can harness it, not everyone is strong enough to do so

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:24 AM

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dim minnow well yeah, there is Darkness within all of us

Just waiting to reveal if that's the case with Ghosts directly
Puts a whole new spin on their creation in the Collapse. Gardener having to use darkness..

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 5:24 AM

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well you gotta separate Light and Dark from Gardener and Winnower

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if you go by the idea that the Traveler is solely Light, then that would go against some of the stuff it has done like give dreams

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:26 AM

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For a while i figured the endgame of Destiny will need us to require to know what exactly happened in the Collapse

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There's too many missing pieces there.. especially Savathun related antics in it

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With us reviving Savathun next season.. may finally reveal the truth on what went down

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:29 AM

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slim elk With us reviving Savathun next season.. may finally reveal the truth on what wen...

whyd we kill savathun if we just gon bring her back then bruh

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:30 AM

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crude valve whyd we kill savathun if we just gon bring her back then bruh

Answers 😝

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:30 AM

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crude valve whyd we kill savathun if we just gon bring her back then bruh

cause she needed to die in witch queen

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:31 AM

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rich veldt cause she needed to die in witch queen

what she do

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(dont know a lot about destiny lore please dont get mad)

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:31 AM

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she was tryna steal the traveller from us

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:31 AM

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It was left unsaid.. but Ahsa has to be in league with Savathun this season to even point out reviving Savathun is what we need to do

final geyser Jul 29, 2023, 5:31 AM

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are simmumah ur-nokru and nezarec the only known characters to channel light and dark at the same time

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oh and maybe drifter?

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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rich veldt she was tryna steal the traveller from us

fair point

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do you guys thinkw e might ally with the lucent hive

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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final geyser are simmumah ur-nokru and nezarec the only known characters to channel light and...

Nah. It's pretty common lately. You do it all the time

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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I mean

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we did it with the cabal and the fallen

final geyser Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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not at the same time tho

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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Drifter

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The Guardian

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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also why arent there cabal and fallen and etc guardians

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:32 AM

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slim elk It was left unsaid.. but Ahsa has to be in league with Savathun this season to e...

thats a bit of an accusation. it could simply be ahsa knows savu can help answer us

final geyser Jul 29, 2023, 5:33 AM

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i wanna clarify not just both, but channeling both at on e

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 5:33 AM

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Bear in mind Ahsa has been lurking on Titan since before the collapse

slim elk Jul 29, 2023, 5:33 AM

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rich veldt thats a bit of an accusation. it could simply be ahsa knows savu can help answer...

That in of itself exposes it. Why would she know that with how secretive the Witch Queen was?

smoky rose Jul 29, 2023, 5:33 AM

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It's completely reasonable she overheard something

final geyser Jul 29, 2023, 5:33 AM

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guardians tend to focus on one or the other, whereas simmumah and nez actively used both at once

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:34 AM

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ahsa was around during the collapse and probably knows some shit

final geyser Jul 29, 2023, 5:34 AM

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tho please correct me if im arong

rich veldt Jul 29, 2023, 5:36 AM

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human lightbearers are raised to wield the light, and some experiment with the dark

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 5:40 AM

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final geyser guardians tend to focus on one or the other, whereas simmumah and nez actively u...

yea

little gorge Jul 29, 2023, 6:11 AM

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also savathun knew about the witness' plan

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 6:50 AM

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little gorge also savathun knew about the witness' plan

which is why the veil was hidden on neptune?

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whats the lore of the neptunian people

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 6:57 AM

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Colony ship that escaped the recall due to Soteria

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landed on Neptune likely due to Savathun or the Veil's influence

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created society around the Veil

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Maya did some shit with it which led to a prototype Cloudark

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Vex start invading to obtain the Veil and a fragment of Soteria

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Humans use Silver to modify themselves to create Cloudstrider's

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They stay hidden for thousands of years

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 6:58 AM

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real ingot Colony ship that escaped the recall due to Soteria

recall?

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soteria?

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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real ingot Humans use Silver to modify themselves to create Cloudstrider's

Silver?

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as in

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the currency

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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Colony ships sent out during the collapse were called back

crude valve Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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that we use to buy stuff

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in the eververse store

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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crude valve Silver?

modified Siva

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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Clovis wanted to recall all colony ships because Soteria sent them out early

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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Soteria is an augermind that was in the Sotw

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 6:59 AM

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Soteria was an ai made with Vex tech

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it saw something bad was coming and sent several colony ships out because of it

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Clovis promptly used Ares spire to trap Soteria and recall the ships

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howver, Soteria managed to partition a small fragment of itself into 1 colony ship which made it to Neptune

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just to be sure, it was 100% established that this ship was Exodus Indigo right?

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:02 AM

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dim minnow just to be sure, it was 100% established that this ship was Exodus Indigo right?

I think

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:02 AM

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because I'm thinking it could be a different one and Inidgo arrived not long after

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:02 AM

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or heavily implied

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:02 AM

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since Maya was on Indigo

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and audio logs from Chioma have me thinking that she was on Neptune before Maya

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:03 AM

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I believe Winterbite has Maya arriving on Neptune

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:03 AM

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and Maya was aware of Clovis containing Soteria where she promptly told Clovis to go fuck himself

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so her being on that specific ship is less likely

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I should note the irony in that Clovis sought to redeem himself (in Clovis-1 [now Banshee-44], not the AI) while Maya did that immoral experimentation with the Veil

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:05 AM

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I'm interested in how the logs progress from here

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:06 AM

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we have three more

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and I think Bungie said that more will be unlocked in the start of the next two seasons

obtuse sorrel Jul 29, 2023, 7:16 AM

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What is the veil?

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:16 AM

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cosmic entity

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Darkness equivalent of the traveler

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:17 AM

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obtuse sorrel What is the veil?

cosmic collective conciousness

obtuse sorrel Jul 29, 2023, 7:17 AM

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real ingot Darkness equivalent of the traveler

Where did it come from

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:17 AM

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and also a Darkness Traveler

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:18 AM

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obtuse sorrel Where did it come from

can't say

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:18 AM

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obtuse sorrel Where did it come from

whatever its origins are they are likely tied to the Traveler

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:18 AM

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doubt we'll even learn them

obtuse sorrel Jul 29, 2023, 7:19 AM

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Why did it go into the traveler, also doesn’t that symbolise something?

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 7:25 AM

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rewrite reality

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we aren't sure if the Witness went into the traveler as well

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:26 AM

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obtuse sorrel Why did it go into the traveler, also doesn’t that symbolise something?

the Witness wants to create a link between the Traveler and the Veil so it can have total control over reality

little gorge Jul 29, 2023, 7:26 AM

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the portal probably doesn't lead literally inside the traveller

velvet flax Jul 29, 2023, 7:41 AM

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dim minnow just to be sure, it was 100% established that this ship was Exodus Indigo right?

The ship Soteria was on crashed onto Neptune and emitted a distress signal disguised as a Vex signal. Exodus Indigo which was passing Neptune detected the signal and decided to land

dim minnow Jul 29, 2023, 7:44 AM

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ah yes, so I was correct in saying that Maya arrived later on

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hmmm, so Exodus Indigo was likely out there during the Collapse given what Chioma was saying

fierce dune Jul 29, 2023, 11:16 AM

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Does that mean if it was during the collapse, that savathün had just placed the veil on the planet?

real ingot Jul 29, 2023, 11:49 AM

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mhm

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end of the collapse is my guess

tawdry wigeon Jul 29, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Can someone super briefly tell me what the archive on venus is? Just so i can get a basic idea

languid palm Jul 29, 2023, 12:21 PM

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The collective?

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Isn't it an archive of knowledge that the Ishtar collective kept?

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 12:44 PM

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yeah

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ishtar was a big science thing during the golden age

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their campus and archive was on venus

tawdry wigeon Jul 29, 2023, 1:41 PM

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ember storm ishtar was a big science thing during the golden age

So the archive is the collection of the "files" for that thing?

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Dam ishtar's pretty big in lore

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 1:42 PM

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tawdry wigeon So the archive is the collection of the "files" for that thing?

it's what the name says it is

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it's just the ishtar's archive

tawdry wigeon Jul 29, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Alright got it

pearl storm Jul 29, 2023, 1:49 PM

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So lakshmi is a Frankenstein mishmash of multiple imprints from dead exos and Maya?

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 5:11 PM

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final geyser are simmumah ur-nokru and nezarec the only known characters to channel light and...

Us

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 5:12 PM

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pearl storm So lakshmi is a Frankenstein mishmash of multiple imprints from dead exos and Ma...

And yes

tawdry mauve Jul 29, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Yes

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mostly

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Aren’t all three of them Hidden?

tawdry mauve Jul 29, 2023, 6:09 PM

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is there only 3?

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 6:16 PM

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There’s like Ikora and then one of each subclass in the Witch Queen armor in the Enclave area

ember storm Jul 29, 2023, 6:16 PM

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there’s a lot more than that

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but yes the three in the enclave are part of the hidden

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Yeah that’s what I’m saying

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That was thunderlord’s question

fading basin Jul 29, 2023, 11:22 PM

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What was the name of Clovis's son/grandson?

green cobalt Jul 29, 2023, 11:23 PM

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Clovis trollface

fading basin Jul 29, 2023, 11:23 PM

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green cobalt Clovis <:trollface:1020354465787814031>

Ban this person

green cobalt Jul 29, 2023, 11:24 PM

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CatHmmm

fading basin Jul 29, 2023, 11:24 PM

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green cobalt <:CatHmmm:711613037714473041>

I apologize for my outburst

fiery copper Jul 29, 2023, 11:36 PM

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fading basin Ban this person

Grandson was Alton

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His son was clovis tho yes

chrome fog Jul 29, 2023, 11:40 PM

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Do we actual get a name for Clovis’ wife or is Destinypedia doing a Destinypedia?

fiery copper Jul 29, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Clovis 1's wife is Lusia

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I dont think we get a name for Clovis 2

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 12:02 AM

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chrome fog Do we actual get a name for Clovis’ wife or is Destinypedia doing a Destinypedia...

Not sure where the last name came from, but the first name lusia is correct yes

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 12:03 AM

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chrome fog Do we actual get a name for Clovis’ wife or is Destinypedia doing a Destinypedia...

Reposting for context

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 12:42 AM

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Baller

mystic fern Jul 30, 2023, 2:29 AM

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Why hasn’t the traveler supercharged guardians

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Cause all guardians have light

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But what if it gave one guardian a lot of light

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 2:35 AM

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Then that’d been intervention, it wouldn’t be of the will of the Guardian to have so much Light

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The moment she does something like that the Witness will have justification to say “See how she favors this individual! See how she cares not for all living beings but her own self!” - she barely has and the Witness is still claiming as much

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She is betting her life on one thing: that given power, mortals will come together and work towards a greater good, and continue to do so and not lapse even if they could choose the lesser evil

dim minnow Jul 30, 2023, 2:45 AM

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mystic fern Why hasn’t the traveler supercharged guardians

there was one instance of a Ghost supercharging her guardian

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it was Ana Bray

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her Ghost, Jinju, dematerializd herself into pure Light which heavily increased Ana's power to the point where a strong exo frame would melt on contact with her

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then Ana fired two Golden Gun shots that traveled for light years

wind belfry Jul 30, 2023, 3:06 AM

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Did she fire them into space or at something

dim minnow Jul 30, 2023, 3:08 AM

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wind belfry Did she fire them into space or at something

she shot them into said exo

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though she was in a space station orbiting Uranus

somber marlin Jul 30, 2023, 3:23 AM

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can guardians reproduce im so lost my friend tryna mess with me

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 3:40 AM

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somber marlin can guardians reproduce im so lost my friend tryna mess with me

Not enough information

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Zavala adopted a son so not an example, Saladin can’t reproduce but it’s unclear if that’s a guardian or a Saladin thing

somber marlin Jul 30, 2023, 3:41 AM

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I see tysm

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 3:42 AM

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Personally I’m hedging my bets that they can’t but we have no definitive evidence

somber marlin Jul 30, 2023, 3:42 AM

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I aswell

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 3:52 AM

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chrome fog She is betting her life on one thing: that given power, mortals will come togeth...

‘Sides, any Guardian can be “supercharged”, through extreme force of will or sharing it ie orbs or Well or Bubble

slim elk Jul 30, 2023, 4:57 AM

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With the focus on Darkness and its psychic nature as of late.. wonder if Bungie is going to start incorporating Jungian archetypes

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Had a hint of that with the Nightmare-Memory bit back in Season of the Haunted.

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Nightmares existing soley to torment targets...

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 5:03 AM

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smoky rose Zavala adopted a son so not an example, Saladin can’t reproduce but it’s unclear...

Or a "won't" thing

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 5:05 AM

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somber marlin I aswell

It is my opinion that we won't ever have definitive evidence, but for the sake of your headcanon. It won't be proved, but it won't be disproved.

That being said, a child of a Lightbearer would most likely just be a totally normal mortal kid. No Ghost, y'see.

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 5:07 AM

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trim grotto It is my opinion that we won't ever have definitive evidence, but for the sake o...

Now what if they are basically shin Malphur

dim minnow Jul 30, 2023, 5:09 AM

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Shin could of had an alternate conduit

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like maybe the Last Word itself

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:10 AM

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smoky rose Reposting for context

damn clovis bray ii commit the lowtiergod

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so banshee 44 is the og clovis bray

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and he doesnt remember hes clovis because hes boomer exo

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:10 AM

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He fought in the Vex Wars

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And died 43 times

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:11 AM

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smoky rose And died 43 times

died 43 times?

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i thought the number is how many times they have to reset

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so they dont go crazy

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:11 AM

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Yes he got reset every time he got killed by the vex

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And then came back for more

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Lament was his weapon

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:11 AM

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smoky rose Yes he got reset every time he got killed by the vex

wait so he wasnt absolutely demolished

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was he a lightbearer?

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or did they just repair him

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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smoky rose Lament was his weapon

wait the chainsaw man sword?

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Yes

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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the vrmmmm vrmmm vrmmmmmmmm

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damn

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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That's why Banshee is called Banshee

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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bro was goated

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Because the sword

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Made sound like banshee

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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bros a vet

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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At the end of it all he decided "this clovis guy is a piece of shit, can you just like, rename me"

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And so he became banshee

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Technically Banshee died 42 times.

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1-43, reset to 44

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:13 AM

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is banshee the oldest known exo

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whats the youngest exo so far

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:13 AM

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No, actually.

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:13 AM

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Echo-aoiskdnapofdjapidjfaposjdpoas

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:13 AM

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as in something something name-1

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:13 AM

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All Exo are roughly the same age. They all survived the Golden Age.

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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trim grotto All Exo are roughly the same age. They all survived the Golden Age.

its all about resets?

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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crude valve whats the youngest exo so far

Atraks-1

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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smoky rose Atraks-1

oh yeah

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the fallen exo

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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If we are talking on resets

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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does that mean that technically

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any species can be an exo

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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The "oldest" is Echo-1iaoisdhaoisdhoidhaoisd

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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crude valve any species can be an exo

In theory

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:14 AM

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trim grotto In theory

why arent there lightbringers from other species

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aside from the hive

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like why no fallen or cabal

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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Well, we don't know exactly why. But we have some ideas.

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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is the traveler racist?

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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smoky rose The "oldest" is Echo-1iaoisdhaoisdhoidhaoisd

Here's what I mean

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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smoky rose Here's what I mean

jesus christ

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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trim grotto Well, we don't know exactly why. But we have some ideas.

I, for one, believe the Traveler never allowed the Ghosts to revive other species bar the Hive. And she only did that because the Hive lost their second chance at a new life when they were stolen by the Deep.

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 AM

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that must have been me after getting spawncamped in the ffa gamemode

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:16 AM

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It was, in a way, spawncamped. Stuck in a pod being fried by electrical currents.

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Each time, a new reset.

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:16 AM

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trim grotto It was, in a way, spawncamped. Stuck in a pod being fried by electrical currents...

goddamn

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that reminds me of fallout

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when I accidentally saved

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right before I got hit by a mini nuke

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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It eventually escaped. After 2624 resets.

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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got sent to Requiem

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https://tenor.com/view/diavolo-requiem-wha-jojo-jojos-bizzare-adventure-gif-15144068

Tenor

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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trim grotto It eventually escaped. After 2624 resets.

Well it looks like 2624

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Who knows if it just stopped working

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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trim grotto It eventually escaped. After 2624 resets.

Then Ana Bray blasted two Golden Gun rounds through its chest.

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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I think that it did given it had two things of 2625

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:17 AM

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trim grotto Then Ana Bray blasted two Golden Gun rounds through its chest.

wait if anas ghost liquidated to become pure light

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does she still have it

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or is it

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kaboom

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:18 AM

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If it... liquidated?

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:18 AM

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trim grotto If it... liquidated?

you know

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like

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turned into pure light

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or did it form back from the light energy after a while

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Closest we've got is, ironically, from the previous point of discussion.


Ana's crushed bones reforge. Light fills her eyes. Her grip, still holding against the seizing Exo's bladed thrust, liquefies its plated hand to scrap. A glorious crown of Solar flame erupts from her visor and she cracks her forehead into the Exo’s face. It reels, tufts of flame extinguish in the vacuum. Ana kicks away.

Solar might engulfs 18 Kelvins. Ana hammers off two rounds of celestial annihilation. They melt straight through the Exo, puncture the station plating, and scream through space for light years.

The Exo slumps, a molten heap.```

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 9:21 AM

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trim grotto Closest we've got is, ironically, from the previous point of discussion. ```Jinj...

You know what gives me great joy in this

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The idea that Ana's golden gun rounds just came out of orbit on some random planet and obliterated something

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 9:21 AM

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smoky rose The idea that Ana's golden gun rounds just came out of orbit on some random plan...

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those golden gun rounds

broken zephyr Jul 30, 2023, 9:24 AM

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Thats the Leviathan we can see from the moon right?

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Ya

broken zephyr Jul 30, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Was it just a Bungie decision to remove it or is there a lore significant reason why we just decide to ignore it now

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:25 AM

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It's dead and empty and quarantined by Caiatl

broken zephyr Jul 30, 2023, 9:26 AM

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So no chance at going back to it then since theres quite literally nothing on it then?

trim grotto Jul 30, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Not at current, at least

fierce dune Jul 30, 2023, 9:52 AM

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broken zephyr So no chance at going back to it then since theres quite literally nothing on it...

There is also no point to go back unless we want egregore but we probably already have enough when it infested the helm

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 10:18 AM

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broken zephyr So no chance at going back to it then since theres quite literally nothing on it...

nothing on it

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deactive and useless

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not even a good weapon either

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thing just ate planets

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not very useful unless a war moon arrives

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and keep in mind it only ate Nessus

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and Nessus is tiny

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 12:38 PM

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and it only "eats" planets by pulling them apart chunk by chunk

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it's offensively useless

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it was just made to be a party/prison barge

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:09 PM

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crude valve and he doesnt remember hes clovis because hes boomer exo

He forced his last reset to start anew, since he became well aware of how much a douche he was both prior to the exomind scan and as he fought off the Vex

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 1:10 PM

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chrome fog He forced his last reset to start anew, since he became well aware of how much a...

Man said "fuck it, we ball" and woke up in a new bugatti

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:10 PM

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Kinda, he do be the GOAT

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:14 PM

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crude valve is the traveler racist?

Not necessarily, but the Ghosts themselves also had reservations about the other species until recently; both what Mael said and bias against other species from the Ghosts themselves could be reasons why there aren’t Lightbearers in the other alien races

crude valve Jul 30, 2023, 1:15 PM

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chrome fog Not necessarily, but the Ghosts themselves also had reservations about the other...

So

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Racism?

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:15 PM

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xenophobism, if you want to go down that route

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:16 PM

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Consider we hadn’t made true alliances with the other species until the latter half of Beyond Light’s year

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:16 PM

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it's worth noting a bunch of ghosts were already sympathetic towards the hive

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:16 PM

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Though after we killed Oryx? I know it was after we scanned the Books of Sorrow

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:17 PM

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it was in the wq ce

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i think

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:17 PM

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No I know, but Im wondering what’s the timeframe that Ghost sympathy for the Hive grew

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We do have the Ghost Community Theater play that features someone playing the role of “Big Daddy Oryx”

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;lore

candid inletBOT Jul 30, 2023, 1:19 PM

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D2 Lore Resources
• #📚lore-discussion
• PreviouslyOnDestiny - Catch up on the story of Destiny
• Ishtar Collective - Lore database
• Destinypedia - Lore database
• Destiny Lore Subreddit - Lore compendium
• MyNameIsByf - YouTube channel
• Infograph - Partial timeline at a glance
• Lore Book Guide - Spreadsheet of all lore books

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:19 PM

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chrome fog No I know, but Im wondering what’s the timeframe that Ghost sympathy for the Hiv...


But this is troubling, isn't it? Because if Ghosts can decide that they have moral qualms with raising Guardians, and if they can convince other Ghosts to follow suit... we're going to need a program of counter-persuasion. We'll have to start keeping an eye on the morale and loyalty of our own Ghosts.```

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 1:20 PM

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chrome fog We do have the Ghost Community Theater play that features someone playing the ro...

Correction: Nightmare Daddy

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ghost-community-theater-presents

Ghost Community Theater Presents — Entry — Ishtar Collective

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The Ghost Community Theater presents:
ORYX THE NIGHTMARE DADDY:
One Brave Ghost Versus the Death from Outer Space
A four-and-a-half-act play
Written and directed by Didi, Ghost of Marcus Ren

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:20 PM

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short answer, it's just up to the ghosts

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and ghosts aren't exactly flocking to revive cabal or eliksni

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savathun and her brood were a very specific case that i don't see happening again

coral prism Jul 30, 2023, 1:21 PM

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So why was Cyade actually killed off? Was it a problem with his VA?

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:22 PM

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no

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they just couldn't get him for it, but that was already their plan

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it was done not only for the sake of forsaken's narrative, reiintroducing the "light doesn't automatically mean good, and dark isn't automatically bad" idea

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but also just to make sure people get the idea that destiny wasn't trying to copy avengers jokes or whatever

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what better way to do that than kill off the character who was relegated to comedy relief™️

coral prism Jul 30, 2023, 1:26 PM

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Damn. I really liked him.I wouldn’t have minded even if they had toned it down but I guess I can see it. At least we have more main characters now, Saint, Saladin, etc.

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:27 PM

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i mean

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you've seen the final shape teaser, haven't you?

coral prism Jul 30, 2023, 1:32 PM

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Uhh, don’t think so.

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:34 PM

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do you want to

coral prism Jul 30, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Sure. I’m still working trying to catch up on season of the deep

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Doubt I’m going to be able to finish but hopefully I’ll get close

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 1:37 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGa8K-yQr8k&ab_channel=Destiny2

YouTube

Destiny 2

Destiny 2: The Final Shape | Teaser Trailer

We're here now.
Wherever here is.

Tune into the Destiny Showcase to learn more.
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▶ Play video

coral prism Jul 30, 2023, 1:39 PM

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Nice

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Also gets a bit of a spotlight in Haunted for his Nightmare haunting Ikora

fiery copper Jul 30, 2023, 3:21 PM

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coral prism Sure. I’m still working trying to catch up on season of the deep

If you want a lore catch-up I can explain it poorly

tulip knoll Jul 30, 2023, 3:26 PM

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ember storm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGa8K-yQr8k&ab_channel=Destiny2

Still chills me to the bone

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 3:28 PM

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I don’t have bones

tulip knoll Jul 30, 2023, 3:35 PM

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ember storm I don’t have bones

🗿🗿

safe galleon Jul 30, 2023, 5:23 PM

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ember storm and ghosts aren't exactly flocking to revive cabal or eliksni

i do wonder if it'll happen eventually, at some point, especially considering that we have groups of cabal and eliksni who are like

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NOT trying to actively kill ghosts

tulip knoll Jul 30, 2023, 5:48 PM

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10 years of build up this final shape campaign better blow me away

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Cabal, Eliksni, Lucent Hive(high possibility) fighting together with humanity

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Jeez

royal portal Jul 30, 2023, 5:54 PM

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the power of friendship was not the finale I saw coming

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🫰Unique

vital sail Jul 30, 2023, 7:22 PM

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tulip knoll Cabal, Eliksni, Lucent Hive(high possibility) fighting together with humanity

Im so excited for this OwO

broken zephyr Jul 30, 2023, 7:45 PM

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I want to see Cayde put a Golden Gun bullet in the Witness

vital sail Jul 30, 2023, 7:56 PM

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Sounds interesting flusheduwu

broken zephyr Jul 30, 2023, 8:06 PM

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Then he gets shot in the chest again, we all become sad, and we have another Cayde memorial CATGRIN

little gorge Jul 30, 2023, 8:07 PM

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do you guys think there's any outliers from the witness' race that didn't participate in the whole merging thing

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 8:18 PM

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With a really out there answer, maybe Nezarec? But also probably not

shadow warren Jul 30, 2023, 8:27 PM

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Isn’t nezerac a psion

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Or a deity to them

shadow warren Jul 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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little gorge do you guys think there's any outliers from the witness' race that didn't partic...

Final shape npc vendor caydeping

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Nezerac was just a very tall thrall CATGRIN

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 8:30 PM

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little gorge do you guys think there's any outliers from the witness' race that didn't partic...

No

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It's like neomuna

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If you didn't consent you were forced to

little gorge Jul 30, 2023, 8:31 PM

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how would that work in terms of a merged consciousness

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does the witness constantly hear a voice opposing it or something

smoky rose Jul 30, 2023, 8:32 PM

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They could also just have been killed

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 8:34 PM

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Oh we talking about how the witness formed and stuff?

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 8:41 PM

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shadow warren Isn’t nezerac a psion

Not really, just worshiped by them; we dunno what he is

flat halo Jul 30, 2023, 8:54 PM

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chrome fog Not really, just worshiped by them; we dunno what he is

hes a thilly goothe blehhhh

green cobalt Jul 30, 2023, 9:15 PM

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spell netherrack right 💅

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 9:34 PM

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Nezlec

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 9:35 PM

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Nazprin

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 9:35 PM

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And of course

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Nezquik

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Nezcafe

velvet flax Jul 30, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Nezcafé

chrome fog Jul 30, 2023, 11:08 PM

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Neztlé

mild wagon Jul 30, 2023, 11:17 PM

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I just noticed that if you're doing Salvage and fighting the ogre boss, it summons a miniboss, a taken cabal incendior, and it's name is Val Cauor.

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that's the spire of Stars boss

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did he somehow survive and got taken?

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:18 PM

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No

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man was incinerated

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more likely it's a guy with the same name

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 11:18 PM

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Wtf bungie

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:19 PM

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likely another Cabal taking the name since it has meaning

mild wagon Jul 30, 2023, 11:19 PM

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~~I actually kinda liked Spire of Stars if only for that elder god tier soundtrack~~

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:19 PM

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snooze raid

empty fern Jul 30, 2023, 11:20 PM

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real ingot likely another Cabal taking the name since it has meaning

So an arms dealer moment?

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:20 PM

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empty fern So an arms dealer moment?

the usual

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Cabal rally to the strong

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Val Ca'our was known as a great Val

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 11:21 PM

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Wouldn’t be the first time an old enemy was resurrected only to be taken but given that it’s under Xivu (wherein necromancy is considered heresy to someone like her) I’m going with the stolen identity theory

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:21 PM

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leading an assault on the Leviathan against Calus and his loyalists

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Powerful name

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 11:21 PM

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eh

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he failed astronomically

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:22 PM

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well yeah he did fail spectacularly

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But man had guts

mild wagon Jul 30, 2023, 11:23 PM

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ember storm Wouldn’t be the first time an old enemy was resurrected only to be taken but giv...

wasn't there a thing about how something cannot be taken if it has died already which is the whole reason why Guardians cannot become taken? ~~well now we have Sloane, so...~~

real ingot Jul 30, 2023, 11:24 PM

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Sloane is a big difference

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Was being attacked by Xivu herself

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and more it takes more time to take a guardian

ember storm Jul 30, 2023, 11:30 PM

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mild wagon wasn't there a thing about how something cannot be taken if it has died already ...

you just need to currently be alive

dim minnow Jul 30, 2023, 11:40 PM

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mild wagon ~~I actually kinda liked Spire of Stars if only for that elder god tier soundtra...

I liked taking the uncharged ball in the jump puzzle so my teammates are forced to slowly die to the engulfed debuff

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speaking of the music, D2Y1 had a great amount of bangers

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especially the full version of Be Brave which was finally reuploaded to youtube a few weeks ago

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Spire may have elder god tier music, but Be Brave goes way beyond that

dim minnow Jul 30, 2023, 11:43 PM

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mild wagon wasn't there a thing about how something cannot be taken if it has died already ...

In the first Taken King mission in D1, our Ghost says that living tissue is needed for taking

fiery copper Jul 31, 2023, 12:12 AM

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real ingot snooze raid

Wtf are you high on, spire is the least Snooze Raid in all of d2

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That's why people hate it, everyone has to participate in mechanics and that one guy can't just do "ad clear" while really just standing by one specific door and waiting for the people actually doing the raid to say DPS DPS

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:15 AM

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Spire? People hated it because it bugged out regularly.

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Fun concept, though.

tawdry wigeon Jul 31, 2023, 12:22 AM

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I have a question i couldn't understand in the story. Who is asha. Yea a big whale thing but what is it akd how does it have so much info?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:24 AM

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Ahsa is what we're referring to as a Proto-Worm. As in, what the Worm Gods were before they were Worm Gods.

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She's from Fundament, the same world that the Hive originated from, billions of years ago.

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She's also from that same time period.

tawdry wigeon Jul 31, 2023, 12:27 AM

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So she is the worm before it "evolves" into the worm god. How does she know so much about the witness? Like the truth too

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 12:27 AM

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her siblings were corrupted and transformed by the Witness' power, so she fled

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I'm not sure if they explained how she knew all of this, but maybe she had some sort of memory-based power

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we do see that she has some sort of psychic ability

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maybe she used it to look into the Witness' mind and learn its history

tawdry wigeon Jul 31, 2023, 12:28 AM

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Hmmmmm

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A lot of pieces are missing

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:29 AM

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We don't actually know exactly how she knows what she knows, so we're left to extrapolate. She's billions of years old, psychic, fled siblings corrupted by the power of the Witness, able to "swim" through the Ascendant Plane.

tawdry wigeon Jul 31, 2023, 12:31 AM

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I see i see

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The ascendant plane. Ive heard it before but cant remember what it is

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 12:32 AM

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mirror world to ours pretty much

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:32 AM

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Think of it like a... warped mirror of reality. A different dimensional plane, a corrosive void that occasionally takes on aspects of our world.

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 12:32 AM

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dominated by Darkness

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I have a theory that our world is the physical domain (the world of Light) while the Ascendant Plane is the concious domain (the world fo Dark)

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and there are other places that lie between such as the Ley Lines

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Without a paracausal nature and/or an extraordinary will and power on your side, your very existence will cease to be outside of a Throne World or other bubble of safety.

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It knaws at your existence.

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:33 AM

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tawdry wigeon The ascendant plane. Ive heard it before but cant remember what it is

If you played Season of Defiance (last season) we used it to breach the Pyramids defences and save the civilians

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With the aid of Queen Mara Sov

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 12:34 AM

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dim minnow and there are other places that lie between such as the Ley Lines

this part specifically is not part of the theory, just confirmed stuff we got previously that hasn't been mentioned much

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 12:35 AM

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Ley Lines are like... if dimensions are layers, Ley Lines are sewing threads that pierce and jump from layer to layer.

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 12:35 AM

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trim grotto Without a paracausal nature and/or an extraordinary will and power on your side,...

I wonder if this "paracausal nature" is specifically using Dark in a "creative" way like how the Traveler has terraformation

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maybe the Ascendant Plane "gnawing at your existence" is the result of a being with a stronger will

tawdry wigeon Jul 31, 2023, 12:52 AM

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trim grotto If you played Season of Defiance (last season) we used it to breach the Pyramids...

Ahh i never played it but i remember watching a vid mentioning it

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 12:53 AM

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trim grotto We don't actually know exactly how she knows what she knows, so we're left to ex...

Theres a decent chance that Ahsa had a connection with Savathun and had details of some of the Witch Queens plans.
Savathuns Hive was crawling all over Titan pre Arrivals.. and no way to know Savathun had gotten herself a ghost in the internim [unless was said offscreen of course]

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Very fact she knew Savathun could help at all does indicate Ahsa seems to know a lot about Savathuns plans and capabilites..

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:07 AM

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so why was deep foreshadowed in the heavy glaive quest

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how did the occlusion even know about ahsa

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 1:08 AM

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ember storm how did the occlusion even know about ahsa

Well the Occlusion is Soteria

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And she is a golden age AI

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Ahsa was there in the golden age

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Ye old psychic whale

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:09 AM

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why was she babied to sleep

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:09 AM

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Actually that's not a stretch
The Occlusion was part of Soteria, an Ishtar/CB collab AI. She would have known about the Arcology, and they knew about Ahsa.

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:09 AM

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ember storm why was she babied to sleep

Broken Fragment half submind shenanigans I suppose

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:10 AM

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trim grotto Actually that's not a stretch The Occlusion was part of Soteria, an Ishtar/CB c...

and they knew about ahsa being a very important asset because of her abilities and the fact she's an enemy of the witness?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:10 AM

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caydeShrug maybe
I've got no idea about that part

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 1:10 AM

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Also I think Lightfall's timescale is off

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:10 AM

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i'm on like week 3 of the season and just got the glaive today so

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 1:10 AM

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Or the year of LF

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:11 AM

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i just have zero clue

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the specifics anyway

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 1:11 AM

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Possible that Soteria received the distress signal

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 1:11 AM

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ember storm and they knew about ahsa being a very important asset because of her abilities a...

Its Neomuna, remember there is active conspiracy in Neomunas government to keep general public ignorant and complacent

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:11 AM

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what does that have to do with it?

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i'm questioning how much golden age researchers actually knew about ahsa

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 1:12 AM

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Its the "enemy of the Witness" part

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No one in Golden Age would know the name of the Witness

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It means Soteria was having extra info in addition from golden age sources

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:14 AM

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i really don't get what you're saying here

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:14 AM

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ember storm i'm questioning how much golden age researchers actually knew about ahsa

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/npa-weir-walker-gauntlets
This is our only source on the topic

NPA "Weir-Walker" Gauntlets — Entry — Ishtar Collective

[DAY 3] The Ghost of Titan walks on through sunless seas, having died long ago.
—
REPULSION LATTICE INTEGRITY… NOMINAL
OXYGEN SIEVE… NOMINAL
DEPTH… 106m
The lettering on Sloane's HUD clarified into vision. She dragged a hand through methane fluid to her faceplate, absentmindedly trying to rub the grogginess from her eyes.
Motion in the dark...

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But it suggests enough, I think.

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Ahsa was filling their dreams with differences, warnings.

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If someone simply wrote that down somewhere Soteria could access it...

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:15 AM

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also does sloane's ghost have retractable knives

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:15 AM

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haha yeah

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:15 AM

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why doesn't ours have knives

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 1:15 AM

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Beyblade time!

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Player Ghost is probably bit too timid for direct fighting

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:16 AM

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Síocháin drifted forward, Hive viscera gently wafting into the sea from the slender razors protruding from her shell. "You were out for days."```

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:17 AM

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slim elk Player Ghost is probably bit too timid for direct fighting

he commandeered a tank and killed numerous people

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 1:17 AM

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hahaha i remember that

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he shot me

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good times

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 1:17 AM

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ember storm he commandeered a tank and killed numerous people

Exactly, a tank
Not whirling blades of death and getting blood on his shell lol

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:18 AM

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he's just lazy

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first he openly admits he's bad at math and now this

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can i exchange my ghost for one voiced by stephen merchant

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Just convince Bungie to give us the Ghost cage as a shell lol

real ingot Jul 31, 2023, 1:27 AM

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fiery copper That's why people hate it, everyone has to participate in mechanics and that one...

My issue is I don't use lfg

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with a good team the raid is just snooze

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I guess every raid is

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But spire's difficulty came from people not pulling their weight

wind belfry Jul 31, 2023, 4:00 AM

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ghost combat for 7th subclass

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 5:06 AM

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Ghost as orb for 6th subclass

covert plover Jul 31, 2023, 5:37 AM

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Can anyone help me with something?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 5:58 AM

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covert plover Can anyone help me with something?

That depends on the something, I suppose.

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:10 AM

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Why can’t a Guardian use several subclasses at once

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If we have the ability to switch between them then hypothetically shouldn’t we be able to channel several at once

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:14 AM

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mystic fern If we have the ability to switch between them then hypothetically shouldn’t we b...


Solar wings combust from Osiris's back. In each hand, he wields a blade of dawn. The calamity of his inferno sends Hive scattering in every direction. ```
```Osiris extinguishes a blade into his palm to form a singularity of Void and hurls a Nova Bomb that consumes them. With his other blade, he dives. He drives it into the ground, erupting a Well of Radiance surrounded by a phalanx of gilded echoes .

Nobles shriek for their Thralls to charge. Bolts of flame and Arc tear through them as Osiris blinks through the Void from one echo to another. Their advance breaks. He steps over their smoldering husks and turns the blaze to their masters.

Osiris revels in the slaughter. Xivu Arath's sigil drinks in his fervor and the nobles' deaths.

LAUGHTER LIKE SCREAMING FEAR.```
Only Osiris has ever been seen using it as such

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So I can only assume it is very difficult to do

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:15 AM

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Well we’re stronger than Osiris aren’t we? So canonically we should be able to even tho we can’t in game?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:16 AM

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No and no

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Osiris was one of the greatest Warlocks of all time

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We're just consistent and reliable

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We're strong but we're not Osiris

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:20 AM

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In that case, is there any reason why we’re so much more consistent and reliable than other Guardians? We have their same powers, capabilities, and weapons, so is there any reason other than plot armor that we’ve been able to kill gods and survive whereas other Guardians can’t?

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:20 AM

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Not really, no

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We are just The Guardian™️ patent pending

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We show up and break shit

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:20 AM

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Just skill and plot, honestly.
Unless you're looking real deep into Bungie lore, Marathon-era.

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:20 AM

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People go "damn they broke that shit gooder" and then send us to break more shit

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:21 AM

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trim grotto Just skill and plot, honestly. Unless you're looking *real* deep into Bungie lo...

No no no no no

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Not marathon and myth

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No no no no no

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We are not going there

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trollge

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And Pathways

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:21 AM

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Well I wasn't going to reference Myth or Pathways

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Specifically Marathon Infinite

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:21 AM

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Which timeline

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FLOOF

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:21 AM

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Irrelevant

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Rahool_Smug

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:22 AM

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@trim grotto now hear me out

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The Witness is either the Jjaro or a wrkenchacenter or however the fuck you spell it

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Old bungie spelling jesus christ

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:23 AM

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It was designed to be unpronounceable

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:24 AM

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At least I got my point across

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KEKW

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:24 AM

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The marathon lore has made quite the credence... after all.. theres a direct link to Marathon in Destiny already

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..and Marathon itself is returning

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:24 AM

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In all seriousness though its a massive shame that Destiny's only real connection that I'm aware of is via multiverse stuff

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:24 AM

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I honestly thought the W'rkncacnter were Pyramid-adjacent until this season

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They sounded very similar in older lore

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:25 AM

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I mean yeah honestly

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Fucks shit up, crashes places and stays dormant

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:25 AM

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I do wonder if it was the og intent until new writers came along

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:26 AM

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It might've been to be honest

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Putting aside the lore for a bit

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out of verse.. everything has seemed.... quite rushed?

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 AM

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Like for the year of LF?

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Yeah

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 AM

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The big massive reveals on the Veil are happening in barely alluded to audio logs being drip fed two seasons after the major dlc release

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 AM

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Pretty sure LF wasn't supposed to exist originally

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 AM

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It wasnt

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 AM

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I do understand what bungie was going for with the veil logs and stuff

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But the timescale doesn't work with the 3 month seasonal model

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I think LF would have been a lot better if, say, season of the deep (and associated stuff like the veil logs) were in season 20 instead

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:29 AM

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Destinys winding down
Wouldnt be suprised if supports ended post final Shape for PS4 and other last gen consoles

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 AM

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I really really hope it does

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Its not winding down though per se

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We are winding up to the finale

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Bungie also cannot afford to let Destiny die

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At all

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Even after TFS

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Talking out of verse heh
We have the "grand finale".. but whats next?

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 AM

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There's still a long way to go until marathon and matter, and there's no guarantee either will be good

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Destiny is Bungie's only consistent source of income

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 AM

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The "end" isnt the end here.. but where do we go after?

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:31 AM

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I assume that'll be set up

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Based on those dev interviews sounds like its Vex time™️

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:32 AM

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How Bungie handles Savathun return will defintely be telling what road they plan to take the story
By all logic.. we should have cut the shit and started working together already with the Witness in its endgame

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:33 AM

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That's... what we are doing

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Like I said I see what bungie is doing but it just doesn't work well in the 3 month seasonal model

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:35 AM

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Nah. Talking by gameplay logic here... theres gonna be some excuse why we still massacure Lucent Hive in the Throne World

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:36 AM

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That's what I mean, in logical sense, we'd be on Titan shortly after Root dropped, then we'd figure out we need sav, then we'd get set up and do the theing

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But because it has to conform to a 3 month season

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:36 AM

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Aye

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 6:37 AM

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We end up 6 months in before we do stuff that logically would have been done in 1-3

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 6:37 AM

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The "Dead Air"

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Nothings been stopping us parading Savathuns corpse around the throne world to lure out Immaru besides the seasonal model

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Even Titan itself returning was literally Dues Ex Machina

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No explanation even with access to the Planet room

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 6:52 AM

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slim elk Nah. Talking by gameplay logic here... theres gonna be some excuse why we still ...

they said in an interview that the lucent hive won't really be our allies

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:53 AM

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Wait a minute

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Destiny is a part of a multiverse?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Only sort of.

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 6:54 AM

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slim elk Even Titan itself returning was literally Dues Ex Machina

my guess is that the witness released it so that xivu could kill ahsa

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Is that why there’s been halo Easter eggs?

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Also only sort of.

real ingot Jul 31, 2023, 6:54 AM

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mystic fern Destiny is a part of a multiverse?

not a big thing

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just a joke

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:55 AM

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MIDA equipment is from Marathon itself. Other than Dares which doesn't really count, that's as far as hard evidence goes.

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:55 AM

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So are things like the assassins creed and Fortnite collabs hinting at some kind of multiverse or were those literally just money grabs for bungo

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:55 AM

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Not even a little bit

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It's just a corporate collab

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:55 AM

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Ah ok

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That would’ve been cool tho

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 6:55 AM

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that would mean fortnite itself is in the same universe as every ip ever

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and real life too

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:56 AM

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Marathon and Halo are different because Bungie actually made them

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And Pathways, and Myth, and so on

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But only Marathon has a hard connection

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 6:57 AM

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So is the Witness the Traveler’s ultimate enemy or something

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 6:57 AM

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It has become so, I suppose.

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This season and its cutscene elaborates on it.

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 6:59 AM

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it would be funny if it was actually the Veil

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since the Witness' people didn't learn about the Final Shape until they communed with the Veil

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 7:00 AM

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dim minnow since the Witness' people didn't learn about the Final Shape until they communed...

but they still wanted a "winnower"

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:00 AM

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I think realistically speaking

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The Witness wanted a winnower, they wanted a purpose

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They got the veil

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And discovered they could do a little trolling with it

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 7:01 AM

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I guess the Witness

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Forged their own Destiny

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:01 AM

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FLOOF

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 7:01 AM

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ironically, that was probably partially what the Traveler intended

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make your own destiny

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only that Destiny was something that would screw the entire universe over

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 7:02 AM

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loved it when the witness said "we have to make our own Destiny 2: The Final Shape"

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Traveler doesn't like it when the mortals choose their own destiny and it involves hijacking the universe lol

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 7:13 AM

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slim elk Traveler doesn't like it when the mortals choose their own destiny and it involv...

the Traveler has been rather lenient, so I would assume that it is in the right to do so

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 7:13 AM

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trim grotto It has become so, I suppose.

Hear me out

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It can fire a thousand of those beams from that cutscene at it

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Boom

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Done

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:18 AM

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Oh hey Byf is doing a 3 part series on the Last Days on Kraken Mare

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Pretty excited for that ngl

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Probably my favorite lore book

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:18 AM

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mystic fern It can fire a thousand of those beams from that cutscene at it

Those beams do nothing

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It's a terraforming beam

little gorge Jul 31, 2023, 7:19 AM

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mystic fern It can fire a thousand of those beams from that cutscene at it

if you watch that cutscene closely you'll see the witness doesn't care about it at all

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 7:20 AM

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smoky rose Probably my favorite lore book

did you know that what we see of it ingame is only a fraction of what was written?

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:20 AM

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No, actually

dim minnow Jul 31, 2023, 7:20 AM

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I think there is still 2/3rds of it that Bungie never released

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or 1/3rd

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maybe half

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 7:21 AM

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Seth wrote them. They weren't used.

mystic fern Jul 31, 2023, 7:51 AM

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little gorge if you watch that cutscene closely you'll see the witness doesn't care about it ...

I thought that that wasn’t the Witness itself? That it was a projection of it or sorts, because why would it come so close and then just bounce

smoky rose Jul 31, 2023, 7:52 AM

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mystic fern I thought that that wasn’t the Witness itself? That it was a projection of it or...

Bounce?

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It never left

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The opening and closing cutscenes to lf happen basically within a day

hexed bridge Jul 31, 2023, 8:35 AM

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The entire universe just went to get the milk

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Why did no one replace the speaker?

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Was he like a 1 in a lifetime character?

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(After the red war)

tropic wagon Jul 31, 2023, 10:30 AM

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This is the lore

trim grotto Jul 31, 2023, 10:52 AM

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vocal nebula Why did no one replace the speaker?

Simply because one does not become a Speaker. One either is, or is not.
The Speaker spent years and years searching for another Speaker to replace him, but never found another. He decreed himself the last Speaker, and with the Traveler awake, there is no need for one any longer.

red comet Jul 31, 2023, 11:17 AM

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Why did calus receive the typhon imperiator instead of a pyramid upon becoming a disciple?

sick yew Jul 31, 2023, 11:19 AM

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Probably because hes cool

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Maybe the Witness had it laying around in the garage and thought yeah why not give it to that guy

red comet Jul 31, 2023, 11:28 AM

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💀💀💀

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I’m also wondering if there was any light bearing eliksni

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 11:55 AM

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Probably not

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Not even any of house light

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 12:00 PM

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slim elk Nah. Talking by gameplay logic here... theres gonna be some excuse why we still ...

Now how have we gone to slaughter the same faction while at still allied with another faction of the same race bigbrain

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 12:02 PM

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little gorge that would mean fortnite itself is in the same universe as every ip ever

I mean. Sorta. Ancillary media of Fortnite indicates that it is an existence centered around the supposed center of all multiverses, and individuals from different universes get randomly sucked into the Island

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 12:04 PM

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empty fern Not even any of house light

Sooon though (they hafta, it’d be so neat)

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:09 PM

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It would be very cash money of them

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:19 PM

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trim grotto Simply because one does not become a Speaker. One either is, or is not. The Spea...

Yeh but the traveler can’t talk to us. Sucks that no one could replace him tho

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:20 PM

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empty fern It would be very cash money of them

It would probably be in a dlc after final shape

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:20 PM

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Maybe

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:21 PM

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But I feel like moth mommy would betray us at the end of final shape

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I wish she could step on me

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🤤

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:21 PM

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She would betray us for the sake of betraying us

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Also shut up

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Weirdo

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:21 PM

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empty fern She would betray us for the sake of betraying us

Exactly

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:22 PM

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empty fern Also shut up

I wish Mara mommy would step on me too

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:22 PM

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Shut up still

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:22 PM

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empty fern Also shut up

Meany FeelsLifeMan

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:22 PM

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empty fern Shut up still

Not very respectful of you

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Breaking one of the rules I see

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:23 PM

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FeelsThinkingMan

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:23 PM

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Btw why is Mara mommy so strong?

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:24 PM

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She was the first awoken

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 12:25 PM

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she started a cult when she was human

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:26 PM

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empty fern She was the first awoken

Ok?

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Bruh

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:27 PM

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How does her being the first give her such powers?

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 12:27 PM

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Idk man

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Go bother waltz

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 12:28 PM

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vocal nebula How does her being the first give her such powers?

i mean the point sort of depends on you knowing how the awoken exist]

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:30 PM

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ember storm i mean the point sort of depends on you knowing how the awoken exist]

Beings born of both the light and the darkness

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 12:33 PM

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that's the why

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the how is entirely dependent on mara and her actions

vocal nebula Jul 31, 2023, 12:35 PM

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ember storm the how is entirely dependent on mara and her actions

Fair

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 12:52 PM

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vocal nebula Breaking one of the rules I see

Kettle looking at the pot

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But if you’d like to see why she’s so powerful read the Marasenna lore book

sinful pivot Jul 31, 2023, 1:13 PM

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@trim grotto thonk

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:16 PM

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shitty looking iceberg

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where's the cow thing

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where's the doghives

green cobalt Jul 31, 2023, 1:29 PM

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where are the zorpalods

velvet flax Jul 31, 2023, 1:30 PM

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There was one made here iirc

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I'll find it

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Here

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I don't remember who helped do it here

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ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 1:42 PM

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either i have no life or this is a pretty lackluster iceberg

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 1:56 PM

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Wtf is the god wave

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 1:57 PM

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I’d say it’s a fair iceberg considering the playerbase

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 1:57 PM

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empty fern Wtf is the god wave

Giant Tsunami that wiped out life on Fundament, the one the Hive come from

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 1:58 PM

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Ah

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Wait

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Like the whirlwind but for the hive?

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But without the traveler?

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I hear the traveler detonated a ghost when rhulk captured it, is that true?

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:14 PM

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Yes

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:14 PM

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empty fern I hear the traveler detonated a ghost when rhulk captured it, is that true?

he was actively ripping it apart piece by piece

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it was a mercy kill and to prevent him from getting a look at its parts

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:15 PM

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empty fern Wtf is the god wave

the worm god's "totally real" threat that the traveler arriving to bless the krill would actually cause a gravity related disaster that'd fuck them over

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when y'know

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it was definitely just going to be the witness doing what it always does to traveler-blessed civilizations

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:15 PM

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empty fern Like the whirlwind but for the hive?

Somewhat? The Traveler wasn’t going to, but the Witness gaslit them through the worm familiar that the Traveler’s arrival during the Zyxgzy - alignment of planets - would have adverse affects on the tides; really it was the Pyramid ships that did this

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:16 PM

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natural disasters and plagues of biblical proportions are its motif

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:16 PM

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If the Hive didn’t go for the bait it would’ve taken them out with the God Wave

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:16 PM

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the creation of the hive honestly wasn't meant to be a huge thing

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Pretty much the entirety of the reason the Hive existed was a scheme cooked up by the Witness who put the blame on the Traveler

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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the witness just went "hey what if we sent out a race of death machines instead of just killing them"

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Classic false flag

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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slim elk Pretty much the entirety of the reason the Hive existed was a scheme cooked up b...

No duh

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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savathun was the only one to actually pique the witness' interest

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oryx was just the best at what he was told to do, so he wasn't particularly disciple material

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xivu is just sorta

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there

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Middle child problems (maybe?)

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:18 PM

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i mean it's like

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savathun went off to create her own indie business

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oryx was the ceo of the original company

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now xivu is the ceo but she's just not as good

chrome fog Jul 31, 2023, 2:19 PM

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Rip

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:19 PM

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We assassinated the last leader, Savathun defected.. so Xivus the only one left by default

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:19 PM

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literally just bottom of the barrel

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:21 PM

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And we are probably gonna remove Xivu from the board by the start of Final Shape

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We know where she's hiding now.. over in the Dreadnought

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:21 PM

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do we?

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Yep

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Neat

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 2:22 PM

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i thought the entire reason we haven't been wiped out by her combined forces was because it's just an insane hassle for her to mobilize

slim elk Jul 31, 2023, 2:22 PM

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vi-conviction#book-purpose

VI. Conviction — Entry — Ishtar Collective

—
Xivu Arath's claw wraps around a hiltless, slender vantablack blade impaled into the spine of a prostrated Knight, whose own sword clatters to the ground, inches from its grip, defeated.
She twists her blade, and the Knight's roars echo within the Dreadnaught. Xivu's will soars through the Ascendant Plane and crosses the barrier between this...

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She twists her blade, and the Knight's roars echo within the Dreadnaught. Xivu's will soars through the Ascendant Plane and crosses the barrier between this world and the next to find communion with the Witness.

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So Xivus in the Dreadnaught last we know

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My bet is that Xivus the final seasonal arc villain and we dispose of her to clear a path through the portal

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A nice hat trick of Regicide

empty fern Jul 31, 2023, 3:02 PM

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Ooooo hopefully

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Dreadnaught repeatable mission pls bungie

ember storm Jul 31, 2023, 3:03 PM

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ALAK HUL FOR THE THIRD TIME