✨destiny-discussion

[stoic stag]

D1 raids in general are deemed as inferior to D2 because D2 raised the bar

[dry yacht]

Destiny 2 is more rainbow and polish

They're not

[stoic stag]

D1 raids arent universally bad, they just seem like it because D2 just made better

because... well, its a sequel!

[formal topaz]

ok so you just like shitty lighting everywhere

[strange bramble]

D2 is mechanic heavy. D1 is dps checks

[worthy trellis]

ngl i had no idea d2 was just a massive rehash of d1, like almost everything ive played so far is just a remake

[formal topaz]

d1 isnt even dps checks

[cloud bronze]

Destiny 2 is a engine update so of course you can do more thing , 2026-2027 you will have the release of unreal engine 6

[formal topaz]

d1 has nothing that compares to day 1 caretaker

[dawn meadow]

@marble raptor You, did you see the dev insight?

[marble raptor]

yes

[stoic stag]

i recommend checking out the LFG channels in the LFG servers! Make sure to ask for a sherpa, theyre teachers that allow you to learn the mechanics in a stress free area. I recommend watching a guide before doing it too

[analog gulch]

destiny doesn’t run on unreal

[dawn meadow]

Wtf fast reply

[formal topaz]

you need to theyre the peak of the game

[marble raptor]

i'm in school rn but it looks so sickkkk

[worthy trellis]

oh fs, ive been watching walkthroughs on youtube haha

[dawn meadow]

GO FOCUS ON CLASS MF

[marble raptor]

nah we d2 maxxing

[stoic stag]

a good start! Will make it easier to be taught by a sherpa

[dawn meadow]

Real pooks, real

[worthy trellis]

just getting some gear first 🫡 and waiting until the 9th

[strange bramble]

Crota Oversoul and phasing got a lot of people. Bridge cheese was dumb there tho. Aksis might be the most comparable to D2 bossing

[stoic stag]

most of D2 is... well, D2. Its a sequel though so you'll find comparisons

[formal topaz]

good luck

[summer vault]

I keep seeing art style being thrown around when their art styles are like pretty much identical bar the guardian armors.

Maybe one can make the case that the color pallate is different, sure.

[stoic stag]

not a bad call

[fresh scroll]

Which one? Hunter, Titan or Warlock?

[formal topaz]

wrath is the only d1 raid that holds up to modern standards

[fresh scroll]

[dawn meadow]

:(

[worthy trellis]

no i mean like the levels, like in Ops, unless im taking crazy pills a lot of them are the same as in D1? like the beginners tutorial i swear was almost identical to D1 too. i havent played d1 in 10 years so maybe im just tripping?

[summer vault]

But like, I thought everyone nowadays universally hates the greywash/bluewash gritty color pallates in movies, why are we talking about like its a good thing in video games?

[strange bramble]

Them not remaking Wrath upsets me ngl. Dogma was goated

[dry yacht]

Even Aztecross said he actually really enjoyed d1 this time around

Cbgray Really enjoyed it too

[stoic stag]

Aztecross cannot be trusted with an opinion as he seldom actually has one in the videos

[formal topaz]

aztecross makes his living by dooming about d2

[summer vault]

Destiny as a universe is full of space magic bullshit. More color is fine.

And more color isn't a change in art style either.

[stoic stag]

he just likes making money

his channel isnt something he does out of passion, hence the lack of passion in his work.

and yknow, thats ok, actually

[hybrid zealot]

i've actually seen more of this kind of comment nowadays

"everything is too colorful! somebody took the saturation up to 11! irl doesn't look THIS vibrant, where's the browns and greys????"

wild lol

[strange bramble]

You can shade or deepen colors tho. Everything doesn’t have to be the sun

[worthy trellis]

average millenial greige enjoyer:

[summer vault]

The "sun" has to do with lighting, not colors.

[dry yacht]

I swear I've seen valsecca before. Have u been here a long time? And or are u in a d1 server?

@hybrid zealot

[formal topaz]

some people will look you straight in the eyes and say d1 kings fall looks better than root of nightmares or garden of salvation

[strange bramble]

Brightness smh

[hybrid zealot]

nah, i played d2 only, don't have a console

[summer vault]

I'll take colors over the gritty dark greywash of the DCEU for instance.

[strange bramble]

Brightness of colors. Can use deeper hues and shadowing to make the gritty atmosphere

[summer vault]

D2 isn't a gritty game.

[dry yacht]

That's like saying bloodborne looks bad cause it's not colorful lol

[summer vault]

Why are we pretending gritty is the way to go

[hybrid zealot]

as somebody who lived through 2010s military shooters i agree lol

[formal topaz]

and it benefits from it sooooo much

[dry yacht]

I just prefer it

[summer vault]

It's boring

[stoic stag]

preferred artstyles of games change overtime

[summer vault]

It's like weird teenager edgy bullshit

[arctic spoke]

in terms of colors ?

[worthy trellis]

i always thought destiny was a colorful game. all kinds of planets and landscapes, why make them all grey

[stoic stag]

nowadays, most people dislike gritty artstyles

[formal topaz]

everything

[summer vault]

Exactly

[stoic stag]

doesnt make it invalid to like it, but its not a preference one can expect to be met

[dry yacht]

There's selective color in d1. Usually in skyboxes and specific details like the hell mouth

[stoic stag]

as most games like D2 will try to appeal to what most want

[summer vault]

Destiny is a universe full of wonder and magic and dragons and shit

why make it all greywashed?

[stoic stag]

especially since D2 is a lot less doom and gloom

D1 was a bit more so though even there it felt somewhat jarring.

[cloud bronze]

We rebuild it on it 🔥

[dry yacht]

Okay, maybe my preference for the darker aesthetic of Destiny 1 which looks more realistic is a preference. However, I also have to say the fact that Destiny 1 came first and was like that and Destiny 2 is not like that upsets me as different from the original game

Is that fair?

[warm glade]

omg the season icon for the new gear is the destiny icon 🥹

[stoic stag]

you never needed to justify that you like something

[strange bramble]

I mean. You sound like a Nimbus lover. Could not wait for that DLC to end

[stoic stag]

theres no shame in liking or disliking something

[distant plover]

If the new title isn’t “Guardian”

[arctic spoke]

for me its hard to choose one raid. like i really like KF but warth of the machine also good. then we have GoS and RoN.

[stoic stag]

there is, however, shame in shitting on another thing because you like the other thing.

[arctic spoke]

like i cant choose one

[hybrid zealot]

eh that's fair, i can understand that

i hate the current ability spammy sandbox bec i prefer more grounded, more weapon centric playstyle. a lot of people like the opposite though

[strange bramble]

Neomuna was probably the worst expansion imo

[opaque sundial]

wasn’t the tricorn originally used for some other gear before it was changed to the red war logo?

[cloud bronze]

What i didnt like in destiny was the farm 🙁
Lore , campagn, raid,dongeon , high quality quest > all

[fresh scroll]

Why on Earth are you using that as a pejorative 😭

[opaque sundial]

curse of osiris exists

[formal topaz]

gos and ron are beautiful and d1 kings fall is lowkey butt

[distant plover]

I love when people say Lightfall was the worst when Shadow Keep is RIGHT there

[stoic stag]

or more accurately shitting on other peoples enjoyment because of what you like

cough cough.

[strange bramble]

I loved CoO

[cloud bronze]

Now with ai we can maybe make a epic quest generator

[supple spade]

I was interested in marathon, I mite wait for a sale

[analog gulch]

This guy gets it

[opaque sundial]

no.

[warm glade]

Not sure but either way I think this is a nice full circle moment

[summer vault]

You can enjoy what you like. Hell, I tell this to people who enjoyed the Snyderverse stuff...

You can like what you like, and I'll never attack you for it, but I'll still prefer color over greywashed gritty Snyderverse shit anyday. You can call what I like shit, ain't going to bother me.

[worthy trellis]

i dont think i paid attention to what d1 looked like im ngl

[distant plover]

I’m pretty based sometimes

[analog gulch]

The best part of shadow keep was when it was over

[cloud bronze]

Do it , create a raid alone

[dry yacht]

I feel this

[stoic stag]

pfff

[distant plover]

Unironically yeah. The final cutscene is pretty cool.

[formal topaz]

not even wrong cause arrivals was a great season

[fresh scroll]

It’s so funny that pretty much the only times the new Lego Batman references Batfleck’s mythos is to make fun of it 😭

[summer vault]

Lol

[cloud bronze]

I mean if we do community quest
Its noway possible to do it everything ourself at a sustainable rate 😭

[maiden meadow]

God I’m so fucking happy they’re basically killing the portal

[summer vault]

Btw, you can make something dark without something being gritty.

[distant plover]

I make destiny raids in Minecraft. Fully functional and as accurate as possible. Making raids is fun. I wish they gave us a “forge mode” for Destiny at some point

[stoic stag]

I understand you're joking but i do wonder the issues that will no doubt appear from people that will try to do this

because LLMs are fundamentally incapable of being creative

[formal topaz]

salvations edge and vow are perfect examples

[stoic stag]

its literally impossible

[cloud bronze]

I dont talk about the creative part but the execution part

[analog gulch]

It’s such an awesome cutscene but god playing shadowkeep on my other characters was the worst

[dry yacht]

I suppose it can be summed up as I order the original game and franchise and hate most of the changes except qol and some of the weapons. Liking the game simply for what it is is understandable and I still argue music, sounds and certain visuals are objectively better in d1

[rustic thunder]

Everytime i see news about how good the update is and how Pete Parson ruined everything i hope he like committed tax fraud or something so he loses his cars

[strange bramble]

Vow is gritty. Salvation not so much

[stoic stag]

i talk about every part.

[warm glade]

Yeah, it's a shame it's too late to get rid of tiered loot but maybe other people liked that idk

[stoic stag]

LLMs are gonna be bad for... all of it.

[cloud bronze]

You can automate coding and debugging

[formal topaz]

salvation is very dark until verity

[subtle rune]

Didn't Pete only bail until he could get his shares payout after a time period?

[stoic stag]

a technical exception but still one thats very risky

[urban birch]

LLMs are notoriously bad at software engineering

[dry yacht]

Vow has gotta be the best looking raid that I've played

Actually nutty

[stoic stag]

even the LLMs best at coding is prone to errors

[strange bramble]

I can see that

[dry yacht]

They did such a great job

[stoic stag]

even for small projects

[warm glade]

I've seen people say heresy was when the loot system was best and I completely agree

[formal topaz]

salvations edge is better

[dry yacht]

Gonna buy the full content pack

[formal topaz]

salvations edge is honestly just perfect

[stoic stag]

using LLMs as a replacement for a human in a single step of the way is super risky

[cloud bronze]

Its prone to error yes , but it's for that you use a coding harness like open code

[distant plover]

Shadow Keep sucks to play cuz it’s just “go on patrol” and farm for this armor the campaign. Then you do a strike… Then you- nope it’s over big sorry. cutscene!

[formal topaz]

i cant think of any flaws

[summer vault]

I really don't want to get into the AI convo. Say what you will about the cases where it could have been useful, the fact is that it is causing a lot more harm than good.

[dawn meadow]

Heresy was aight yes

[strange bramble]

Give me Wrath of the Machines any day

[stoic stag]

theres no but

[dry yacht]

I should clarify that I still enjoy aspects of Destiny 2 and that's why I'm interested in playing it and this final update is actually going to fix a lot of those things that had complaints about. So I'm not simply saying Destiny 2 is completely horrible. It's just I have some preferences and I'm glad they're fixing some of the issues. I have plenty of time on Destiny 2 as well and there are very specific time periods that I really enjoy Destiny 2

[stoic stag]

its just prone to error, period, no buts or ifs

[strange bramble]

Raid tier 1 was also nice

[dry yacht]

When they released the brave arsenal weapons and the round-based mode, I really enjoyed that

[stoic stag]

you cannot use a LLM as a substitute

[formal topaz]

actually now that i think about it salvations edge doesnt have enough lore

thats the sole flaw

[stoic stag]

LLMs as a substitute is THE example for why LLMs are bad

[dry yacht]

I'm so excited for pit of heresy and moon refresh

[distant plover]

However, the campaign I always dread playing is Beyond Light. Not because I hate it, but because it’s the campaign that gives us stasis, I am always helping friends, get it for their characters, and I’m just burnt out on it lmao

[formal topaz]

pit of heresy only has one unique gun lol

[stoic stag]

its the main one, the one everyone goes to, the internet is littered with examples where this has been done and failed miserably.

[dry yacht]

I hate a lot of the fetch or grind quests in game

Witherhoard catalyst quest is f****** evil

Absolutely evil

[stoic stag]

AI will not be a boon towards raid development.

at least the current one

[summer vault]

You can find some ethical cases of AI's use, but they dwarf just how bad it is in a lot of different aspects (environmental issues, price hikes and shortages, data center infrastructure, plagiarism, and other smaller issues).

[formal topaz]

you do it passively

[marble raptor]

my friend has done BL for 9 accounts he feels your pain

[formal topaz]

its pretty chill

[dry yacht]

They might change that and I enjoy the dungeon

[dawn meadow]

Holy fuck 😭

[dry yacht]

400 activity completions. Even after hundreds of hours I was only like halfway done

[dawn meadow]

I did EoF on all my 3 chars in the first week of its release

I have experienced ultimate pain

[dry yacht]

As it only includes very specific activities as progress

[formal topaz]

true

[cloud bronze]

? You can use local llm from huggingface.com

[dry yacht]

They should've made it 100 or less

[formal topaz]

they havent updated the quest

[stoic stag]

acknowledgement of the ethical and useful applications of AI isnt counterargumentative, it only shows that no, disliking AI isnt blind hate

[dry yacht]

400 Is actually evil

[marble raptor]

5 were his, 1 for me, his sis, our 2 other friends

[cloud bronze]

8b models /20b models if you have a rtx4090 of course

[distant plover]

It’s like- WOW what a soundtrack! WOW what a vibe! Man what a fun location! I love Europa so much it’s right now my only title, Splintered.

But C’MON man, why can’t my friends stop deleting characters I can’t do this campaign anymore

[stoic stag]

its warranted, justified, extensively documented and researched

[dry yacht]

Even destiny 1 doesn't have a grind that evil except maybe her champion God roll

[dawn meadow]

You really couldn't be bothered with BL campaign aye

[stoic stag]

LLMs have shown to be an active detriment to the human race

a flaw

[marble raptor]

i did it solo for warlock and hunter

[dry yacht]

Yes and no. In terms of people's personal intelligence, etc. Definitely yes

[dawn meadow]

I did mine solo for titan and hunter iirc

[distant plover]

Tbf I only did it once for myself too, all the others times are for others

[stoic stag]

the setbacks complete removal overnight would provide are recoverable

[marble raptor]

my titan canonically cant solo anything except shattered throne

[summer vault]

Yeah. I thought it was a neat and pretty cool technology at first... Then the implications of it all set in.

[distant plover]

I EXCLUSIVELY play warlock

[formal topaz]

noooo leave claude alone it does my homework

[dawn meadow]

Lmao why

[stoic stag]

at an overall basis, it does not do enough good to justify the bad

not nearly

[fresh scroll]

You’re joking right

[dry yacht]

Also, it's funny that all these companies and investors Don't think AI is a bubble but I've been paying close attention to AI and it continues to hallucinate pretty much as much as it has 2 years ago

[formal topaz]

yes

[stoic stag]

yes.

[eternal wagon]

COIL IS FUCKING BACK MOTHERFUCKERS

[fresh scroll]

Thank God 😭

[dry yacht]

It just began dude lol

[high cloud]

why are you happy about this

[stoic stag]

im gonna take sam altmans word for it and say AI is indeed a bubble.

[distant plover]

You seem like the type of guy to enjoy Savathun’s Spire

[fresh scroll]

I’d have been so pissed off if AI was around when I was in school

[marble raptor]

because she's a socialite (just like meee) and she loves her friends

[eternal wagon]

I FUCKING LOVE COIL

[dry yacht]

That guy is a psychopath

[dawn meadow]

Coil was a fan favorite activity

[high cloud]

why

[high cloud]

delulu

[eternal wagon]

ITS COOL

[formal topaz]

i like savathuns spire

[summer vault]

I will say it is a pretty impressive plagiarism machine

[stoic stag]

yeah, but even he thinks its a bubble, the AI shill.

[marble raptor]

REAL AND TRUE I LOVE COIL

[formal topaz]

i have haruspex

[dry yacht]

Cool is good. Spire is fun imo

[cloud bronze]

The real gold of llm is on huggingface not on samAltam cloud platform

[onyx sinew]

its been back

[dawn meadow]

Oh I see, associating guardians with lore/personality is cool cute yeah

[distant plover]

Dude I actually squealed when they added Ketch Crash to portal

[high cloud]

more roguelite please

[dry yacht]

I Hate astral alignment. All right guys. We're going to make an activity where you grab a heavy object and you can't do anything except walk and we have enemies that you can't kill. I think this is going to be the most fun activity we've ever made

[dawn meadow]

I have seen like 3 people hate on it, everyone else liked it lmao

[stoic stag]

and AI being a bubble doesnt mean when it pops AI just magically disappears

[formal topaz]

you shouldve heard me when i saw override coming back

i roared in joy and triumph

[high cloud]

i'd #ratherberaiding

[dry yacht]

I seriously think that the developers at Bungie sometimes don't just ask themselves "Would this be fun"

[stoic stag]

no matter what happens, AI is here to stay. But it will be reduced in some aspect, it literally has to because of how expensive it is

and it doesnt earn enough money, not even close

[dry yacht]

The biggest thing I f****** despise about Destiny 2 is health gating

[formal topaz]

you can kill the abominations im pretty sure

[dry yacht]

You have to do some s*** I don't know you can't just flat out kill them

[stoic stag]

why not just push them away

[formal topaz]

i think you stand near the runner

[dry yacht]

Well I'm always the runner

[stoic stag]

you're still very new/inexperienced to D2's movement tech so this will be difficult for you to do at first

[formal topaz]

let someone else

[stoic stag]

but you can just send it to baby jail lmao

[dry yacht]

I just wish game studios would simply ask themselves. Is this good? And also look at other games and not make the same mistakes like bro? It's not that hard to put two brain cells together and ask yourself would this actually be fun

[formal topaz]

i mean

[cloud bronze]

Then dont worry guys i will vibecoding destiny 3 with python and react html 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[formal topaz]

its not hard

[stoic stag]

you mistake personal opinion for common consensus

[formal topaz]

to just follow the runner and kill them

[opaque sundial]

i think what will happen is that the barrier to access for gen ai will only get higher as newer models become restricted to paid users and older ones shut down

[dry yacht]

It's not about difficulty it's about fun

[hybrid zealot]

the problem is sometimes a bit of frustration make the fun later better

so it's not really that straightforward

[cloud bronze]

You can have acces to local llm

[dry yacht]

Yeah, but there's good types of frustration and bad types of frustration

[stoic stag]

and most find that enjoyable!

you just dont.

[summer vault]

Here's something I've been thinking about, to shift back to Destiny related shit, if D2's dying, what's happening to Destiny Rising? I haven't kept up with that. But as it is, it is literally the only thing Destiny-wise that is carrying the flame, technically. Even if it isn't Bungie.

I know it was dwindling in player count itself in many of its game modes though.

[dry yacht]

People find it fun carrying a ball very very slowly that you literally can't do anything while you're carrying it?

[opaque sundial]

whether it’ll keep up-to-date is another story

[dry yacht]

If so I have a great game for you. It's called walking simulator

[formal topaz]

if you dont like carrying it let one of the other 5 people carry

[cloud bronze]

If destiny rising bake money it will continue to go

[stoic stag]

i somehow forgot how inexperienced and/or inefficient you were with the movement despite being reminded of it a mere minute ago

so i understand your plight a bit

[dry yacht]

A situation where slow movement is actually good. Is something like crota's end, but that is specifically a penalty, not the core gameplay and the whole idea is having this vibe of being suffocated so it actually works

[hybrid zealot]

rising is by netease, bungie only gets like royalty payments for using their IP i guess

[stoic stag]

crotas end? slow movement? surely you jest

at least in D2

[dry yacht]

Dude I don't know about f****** Icarus tech. I try Icarus and I don't see increased movement so I don't know any complex tech as I'm not some massive Destiny 2 player in recent times

[stoic stag]

unsure how it works in D1

[cloud bronze]

D1 is still up ?

[hybrid zealot]

in d2 we have eager edge swords and skating so... yeah

[stoic stag]

youre just inexperienced with the basic fundamentals of D2's movement stuff, not just icarus

[formal topaz]

d1 you just walk through

[dry yacht]

Weight of darkness

[stoic stag]

ahh

[formal topaz]

no mechanics

[stoic stag]

yea

you can just ignore that

[dry yacht]

You can use swords

[dry yacht]

I know about well skating and eager Edge and Mountain top

[stoic stag]

the vast majority of movement tech in D2 completely ignores weight and isnt even slowed down by it

[dry yacht]

I was doing the Teletubby raid last year using Mountain top and eager Edge to get on both sides of the map

[stoic stag]

some are just reduced in efficiency but still good

[dry yacht]

I really enjoy that movement, although it's stupid that you have to be forced to use those two weapons just in order to have that movement

[formal topaz]

teletubby

what

[stoic stag]

Only those that explicitly hinge on you sprinting dont work

[dry yacht]

Titans can move at Mach 10 speed with only inexotic armor piece. Even without the exotic armor piece so you can still move super fast

[dry yacht]

The giant Teletubby boss

[stoic stag]

yeah thats

not impressive

[formal topaz]

??

[stoic stag]

nor new

[dry yacht]

The one that looks really dumb

He's red

[formal topaz]

oh nezarec

[dry yacht]

Nezarac

[high cloud]

Imagine…just IMAGINE.

You know exactly what I’m thinking.

[stoic stag]

its actually pretty old

[dry yacht]

Why did they make him red dude and look like that

Weird is not always good. He just straight up. Looks like a Teletubby

[stoic stag]

...red?

[formal topaz]

i like his design

[stoic stag]

....teletubby?

what

[formal kite]

Yes, that is me.

[hybrid zealot]

tormentors are teletubbies? huh

[formal topaz]

hes meant to be grotesque and bloated

[stoic stag]

oh right he's read at the start yea

[summer vault]

Why are we talking about teletubbies?

[onyx sinew]

hi red

[stoic stag]

but Teletubbies?

[formal kite]

Just finished reading the insight, pretty pumped.

[stoic stag]

the fuck kinda bootleg television you got as a child

[hybrid zealot]

a person here called Nezarec a teletubby

[formal topaz]

guy called nezarec the teletubby boss

[formal kite]

I do see one issue regarding weapons but I'm pretty excited for what we got already.

[opaque sundial]

at least we ain’t talking about barney

[stoic stag]

who

[formal topaz]

?

[onyx sinew]

Null Composure spotted in the Insight btw

[formal topaz]

WHERE

[opaque sundial]

calhoun

[onyx sinew]

i think all the old pinnacle weapons are also getting reprised

[formal kite]

Yo Angelo

[summer vault]

lol

[stoic stag]

i think i gotta do some googling.

[hybrid zealot]

null composure

damn

haven't heard that for so long

but who will use fusion rifles now that rocket pulses are a thing..

[formal topaz]

NULL COMPOSURE AND OVERRIDE COMING BACK

IT GETS BETTER AND BETTER

[dry yacht]

Anyways, I'm glad with the final update stuff it looks like they're fixing and improving a lot of stuff and hopefully they balance the weapon sandbox so that stuff is actually good and that double special won't be the norm

[hybrid zealot]

ah well tbf this is the last update

[dry yacht]

If you don't understand why double special meta is bad for the game is that it completely removes 1/3 of the weapons in the game

[hybrid zealot]

this i agree

[formal kite]

While they are going back to updating world drops as well as adding some to worlds that don't have any, I fear for old seasonal weapons that may just be forgotten to time, least of all including all the Episode weapons.

[dry yacht]

A primary is called a primary for a reason

[formal kite]

Unless they plan on adding those to the world drops.

[velvet granite]

them putting the portal off to the side in favor of the Director is what they should've done in the first place

fuck ass portal

[dry yacht]

Primaries should be closer in power to special weapons than they currently are

[onyx sinew]

weve had a double special meta for years, but early on primaries were still usable

[formal kite]

Truth Nova Bomb

[opaque sundial]

i find it rlly funny how nessus has the most strikes of any destination

[dry yacht]

In Destiny, 1. I would argue the gap between primary special and heavy was almost perfect

[onyx sinew]

having a double special meta isnt a bad thing, having no other options is whats bad

[hybrid zealot]

season of the lost era had cool sandbox balance imo

[formal topaz]

early on primaries were mandatory

[formal topaz]

i miss fusion meta so much

[dry yacht]

Whenever I'm playing Destiny 1. I feel I have to make a real decision if I want to use my special weapon in a situation or not. And the damage is pretty well balanced to the point that my primary can still play me through an entire mission without being completely miserable while special and heavy still does more damage

[velvet granite]

only took them the game dying to finally listen to player feedback

[formal topaz]

particle decon come back

[stoic stag]

double special i like, and i also like primary/special

[opaque sundial]

gotta love destiny 1

[stoic stag]

i like it when theres a reason to choose

[formal topaz]

meant red war

[hybrid zealot]

i'm ngl double special should be a niche and not a universal meta

[onyx sinew]

during lightfall (or at least Defiance/Deep) Traces + special were the meta

[formal kite]

Also, small note that they didn't touch on. I noticed they're making weapon sub-archetypes anti-champion. So the artifact will straight up be gone.

[formal topaz]

i recall

[dusk rose]

primaries lowk ass now

[formal topaz]

im sad

[opaque sundial]

i can’t imagine forced double primary

[formal topaz]

i wanted to have wayfinders compass back

[formal kite]

Yeah, a lot of these changes are the mosr frustrating part about the update. It took the game reaching its end for all of these things to be added.

[dry yacht]

Think of this way. Two situations
Primary: 10k DPS
Special: 15k DPS
Heavy: 20k DPS

Vs

Primary: 10k DPS
Special: 30k DPS
Heavy 50k DPS

They both have relatively equal proportions, but the gap between each of them is much more severe to the point that a category below is virtually useless compared to the higher category

[formal kite]

I'm still peeved it took them eight years to make Daybreak scorch by default.

Like....what?

[opaque sundial]

welp, at least more of mercury returns

[formal topaz]

where

[opaque sundial]

through the srl map that is

[hybrid zealot]

i find primary/special/power weapon designations pretty balanced until rocket sidearms came out

[dry yacht]

???

[formal topaz]

yeah

[velvet granite]

"Guy... what if... people dont' actually like the portal like that"

[dry yacht]

I can barely kill majors with a primary weapon

[hybrid zealot]

rocket sidearms and rocket pulses just throw away all that balance

[urban birch]

Yeah, then rocket pulses just completely blew that out of the water

[formal kite]

On the topic of SRL, I'm surprised they didn't make a Pale Heart map instead.

Actually I'm surprised the Pale Heart hasn't made any returns since TFS.

[opaque sundial]

or for that matter vexnet or neomuna

both of those would be super fun to race on

[formal kite]

No Crucible map, no Gambit map, no SRL map, no dungeon.

Kinda thought it would've been a goldmine for devs to spread throughout the game.

[daring turtle]

yeah, but for other part i feel its like the place ingame is too "Sacred" for being a map

[pearl mural]

lightweight spare rations refresh

a finger on the monkey’s paw curls

gambit reward

[formal kite]

Well, they could always go with the usual excuse of using a simulation.

[hybrid zealot]

it being stasis tho. fingers crossed for a good combo with headstone

[opaque sundial]

to be fair, none of those things except RaD have seen new content in a while

[hybrid zealot]

but... eyasluna or spare rations hmmm

[opaque sundial]

the last new crucible maps were added in ItL

[formal kite]

It doesn't have headstone.

[opaque sundial]

the last new gambit map even longer ago

[hybrid zealot]

ah rip

guess i be looking at eyasluna then

[formal kite]

At least I don't think I saw headstone.

It has Crystalline Corpsebloom.

[hybrid zealot]

i don't like that perk tbh because the crystal kinda randomly spawns where it likes

[onyx sinew]

we know the perk pool, it gets Corpsebloom + Explosive Payload

[formal kite]

The last new Gambit map came before I even started playing this game.

[onyx sinew]

Corpsebloom do be better than Headstone also

[formal kite]

@onyx sinew Also hey you said you wanted Override back yeah?

[onyx sinew]

no

[formal kite]

Or someone else did.

[onyx sinew]

ive never played override

[formal kite]

Point is, they're happy.

[opaque sundial]

what’s override

[formal kite]

Idk what Override is.

[onyx sinew]

Splicer activity

[formal kite]

I'll be happy to jump into it, though.

[hybrid zealot]

oh wait it gets firefly OFA lol

[heady grotto]

we’re finally getting everything we want and it’s all done

[formal kite]

I wouldn't say everything.

But yes, we've discussed this.

[heady grotto]

Everything that’s realistic

[opaque sundial]

i mourn the loss of the vaulted campaigns

[formal kite]

You really shouldn't.

[opaque sundial]

wait actually even then

[heady grotto]

they’ve massacred my game

[opaque sundial]

we’re still lacking a good new player experience

[formal kite]

A reminder about how Destiny campaigns used to be....you could only play them once a character.

[daring turtle]

bro i feel so bad for dmg

[formal kite]

Not that the old campaigns were any good.

[dusk bolt]

It is a lot though! Except new Stasis and Strand supers

[opaque sundial]

not that the new light campaign that replaced red war was any better

[daring turtle]

warmind was hype at first and mid afterwards

[opaque sundial]

but i digress

[mortal night]

Warmind was the only ok one

The rest were pretty shit

[formal kite]

Man if they aren't saving the supers for the sandbox or surprise reveals on the day it comes out I swear.

Not getting new darkness supers is insane.

[opaque sundial]

stasis needs some love

[heady grotto]

fr

[dusk bolt]

I’m also praying that we get throwing hammer on Prismatic

[formal kite]

Imagine being a f2p player, you unlock your only non-light subclass, with limited exotics to choose from for synergy, and you realize you're stuck using Winter's Wrath.

[buoyant furnace]

Warminds big bad was literal strike fodder

[dusk bolt]

Please Bungie I’ll do anything

[lucid belfry]

June 9th update looks like one of the best updates ever . This sucks this will be it. Looks like a good update. Everyone needs to show up june

[formal kite]

A strike you can no longer play. 🗣️

[azure quest]

ikr

[prime mica]

imagine being broke

[opaque sundial]

funny to think we kill a literal worm god in a story mission and the actual accompanying RaD content is just someone else calus hates

[buoyant furnace]

Not even panoptes was strike fodder

[hybrid zealot]

xol could have made a good dungeon boss tbh, sadly it was in the game before dungeons were a thing

[dawn meadow]

They didn't mention any prism updates

[dusk bolt]

I mean he was

[formal kite]

Removing old campaigns and destinations? Whatever, don't care.

Removing strikes and raids?

[dusk bolt]

They just didn’t make him into one

[buoyant furnace]

Nah it was the other two missions that were

[vivid swan]

Fellas the update is lookin pretty juicy

[dusk bolt]

They did say there was some stuff they kept secret

[frozen karma]

Imagine io with distortions tho

[prime mica]

t5 lightweight spare rations

[opaque sundial]

it only took the end of the game for them to figure out overdelivery

[buoyant furnace]

Panoptes was an actual campaign boss like voice of riven or ghaul

[prime mica]

this will heal the game

[formal kite]

Ghaul

[primal frigate]

check the phone while at work
portal is gone

thank fuck

[frozen karma]

We love overdelivery too bad there will be no delivery after this

[formal kite]

I don't know how to tell you this.

[hybrid zealot]

it's still there but relegated to a corner in the director

[primal frigate]

man thats gone enough

[formal kite]

They put it where they should've put it in the first place.

Not the main page.

[dusk bolt]

Panoptes went down in about 3 sniper shots IN CoO

Bro was NOT an actual campaign boss lmao

Only good part was his design

[vivid swan]

Tiered rewards being tied to difficulty 🙏

[formal kite]

Adding spammable supers to Ghaul's bossfight was a mistake.

[hybrid zealot]

it kinda is right now as well they just made it less convoluted

[buoyant furnace]

Mind you this overdelivery only occurred because of a major delay and 6-month content draught

[formal kite]

Savathun was the Light vs Light boss done better. She mogged Ghaul.

[buoyant furnace]

Being regular fodder>strike fodder

[mortal night]

Shit was over in .2 seconds

[foggy hull]

Great dev article love it

[frozen karma]

Game finally panders to the skilled

[hybrid zealot]

tbf ultimate solo ops is not hard at all lol

[formal kite]

The only benefit Ghaul's bossfight had over Savathun's was having a better looking setpiece.

[dusk bolt]

Ghaul was honestly just a very weak villain in general

[buoyant furnace]

The exception is fikrul because him being strike fodder works within the lore and is post-campaign content and story

[foggy hull]

99% of the portal is stupid easy

[opaque sundial]

salt mines sitting in the corner

[foggy hull]

with the exception of contest of elders that shits hell

[hybrid zealot]

eh not even that, salt mines is just annoying

[buoyant furnace]

The only thing that's hard in salt mines is the music

[frozen karma]

Thats true wish we got more aggressive scaling

[hybrid zealot]

oh maybe you mean the dread version of salt mines

[opaque sundial]

that one is pain

who thought it a good idea to put an enemy race originally made for combat in open areas in a cramped area for a change

[proud aspen]

lodi did that and the opposite happened to bro

[gray sigil]

I'm not sure how recent the news was known internally, but I find it curious that they are adding back a pretty decent portion of stuff within a short time frame that people claimed that bungie couldnt add back. To me this makes it pretty clear it was always top brass limiting the output of the studio intentionally

[frozen karma]

The nine were so strong they killed a game to prevent their fate

[dusk bolt]

Dread were definitely not meant for just open areas. In half of the Final Shape campaign you’re in cramped spaces with dread enemies

[vivid swan]

seems abt half knew and half didnt

[hybrid zealot]

update still isn't here yet, we don't know how polished the content is, maybe they have no choice but to dump everything that is playable but not completely bug free or something

[proud aspen]

idk i'm enjoying it so far

[frozen karma]

June 9th will break the servers

[opaque sundial]

idk, there’s smth about salt mines the location that makes the dread particularly annoying to fight

[buoyant furnace]

Literally fucking pillar of devotion or whatever the scorn boss was xd

[frozen karma]

Yeah but we'll never bind the nine

[hybrid zealot]

is that the sniper scorn boss

[buoyant furnace]

The fanatic one with the weird floor

[vivid swan]

they did say the following few weeks after the update they would monitor bugs. At least, thats what i took it as

[proud aspen]

don't know what that means yet but

[gray sigil]

Regardless we have a tentative date, that's the most important aspect. Bug free or not is here nor there since the important takeaway here is that it is returning in a short time period when some claimed it could not

[prime mica]

so ass during rushdown

i miss rushdown

[buoyant furnace]

It's such a non-issue

[prime mica]

we’ll never get that back

[frozen karma]

Gotta play the edge of snoozefest to understand

[hybrid zealot]

oh the one where there's an aegis?

[proud aspen]

i'm going through it atm

[buoyant furnace]

Yes

[hybrid zealot]

bleh that one

[unborn tiger]

I don't think a third game is gonna fix anything y'all.

[dusk bolt]

Sucks because the story was pretty good the missions were just so unbelievably boring

[stoic stag]

one eventaully would be nice, like in a decade maybe

[dusk bolt]

I mean, it’d depend on a lot of factors. Upper management/executives and mismanagement of funds being a big one. But if they know what they know now and still make Destiny 3, I’d say a lot of problems could be fixed

[stoic stag]

one in development now? no

[dusk bolt]

And without the tarnished reputation of content vaulting, regardless of however dogshit the content was

Apart from Levi

I could never hate Levi

[gray sigil]

Sony isn't entirely stupid so I don't think that they're about to drop another $500 million on Bungie after Marathon flopped, but I can see it eventually

[steady night]

i really have a question

[frozen karma]

Give d3 10 years and 800 million and we good

[steady night]

is it worth to come back now into destiny 2?

[unique yarrow]

now or never

[stoic stag]

the final update is june 9th, its gonna introduce a lot of neat stuff, i recommend really getting into it then if you feel like getting back to it

[unborn tiger]

Destiny 2 is fucking amazing, and it's even better when there aren't sad losers whining in your ear about it.

[dusk bolt]

The game has a lot of content and is fun to play with friends. If you see the game’s DLCs are on sale then ye

[unborn tiger]

Go play it. Cause there's nothing else like it

[steady night]

well i used to play but quit when edge of fate came out

[prime mica]

also everything on sale forever after june 9th if ur missing anything

[dusk bolt]

I mean yeah, they won’t drop any money right now, but given time we might see something come up

[steady night]

so they wont bring out a expansion like they said this is really the ending of d2?

[unique yarrow]

More or less, yeah

[dusk bolt]

Yep. This is the last content update

[unique yarrow]

Permanent lifesupport

[prime mica]

this is an expansion sized update tho, minus a campaign

[steady night]

sad

really sad

[vivid swan]

this is honestly the most loot any expansion will have brought

[prime mica]

real

[steady night]

well ill come back.

[hybrid zealot]

yeah there will be tons of loot

[wintry silo]

Everything look fantastic so far, excited for the next update

[steady night]

i had alot of fun

[vivid swan]

even tho its mostly reprisals, im very excited since its all new perks too

[prime mica]

most armour theyve released and guns reprised ever

[hybrid zealot]

and best of all, you don't have to worry about your loot being outdated anymore

[cerulean imp]

Tier 5 recluse and mountaintop 🤤

[vivid swan]

forbbbbyyyy

[steady night]

serious?

[gray sigil]

Yep. You can thank Bungie's infinitely intelligent leaders once again, because to my knowledge this was a bungie decsion and not a Sony one, they are also shifting resources to the flop that was Marathon which will never not be funny

[wintry silo]

Finally wont be punished for wearing my memory of cayde, hopefully you can now get a t5 version

[prime mica]

t5 lightweight spare rations 🤤

[cerulean imp]

I’m getting the vow forbearance personally

[vivid swan]

its the last update so nothing is going away or added anymore

[hybrid zealot]

well, yes, since no more updates after this, so no newer more powerful loot

[cerulean imp]

The origin trait is just

Way better

Imo

[wintry silo]

Also public events being more relevant is awesome

[vivid swan]

health on reaload right?

[edgy oriole]

Infinity?

[hybrid zealot]

health on reload after multikills iirc

[edgy oriole]

You saw on X

[wintry silo]

I will also laugh if its literally just the 3 old gambit sets, I think I still have them in the vault

[digital crater]

another lightweight handcannon

💔

[dusk bolt]

I don’t think Marathon is a flop either. It’s been in Content Limbo for a bit waiting on a new season, but now that’s coming out and we’ll likely see a lot of people returning to the game. It also has a negative reputation with the art scandal which will go away in time

[hybrid zealot]

i mean spare rations has always been a lightweight

[prime mica]

i have been saying theyre going to make spare rations a lightweight on this update

[wintry silo]

Thats not what defines a flop though. Cost to sales is what determines a flop

[prime mica]

they have to give pvp players everything they want

[shadow crystal]

Corpsebloom / EP is gonna be awesome

[hybrid zealot]

isn't spare rations always a lightweight???\

[digital crater]

we did NOT neee another one broo

[prime mica]

maybe back in the day

[hybrid zealot]

they just changed lightweight hcs to shoot 140rpm

[prime mica]

hasnt been one for a while

[digital crater]

rose has been the only one

for years

[hybrid zealot]

oh wait

nvm

[edgy oriole]

Also there is new title call Destiny Infinity

[dusk bolt]

And cost to sales, there was no way it could ever succeed. By this same metric, Final Shape was a flop

[hybrid zealot]

okay you guys are right lol nvm me

[frozen karma]

Warfare

[solid flicker]

The new destiny changes look like they’ll be fun

[vivid swan]

There was gonna but it never got green lit. It was basically, 2 DLCs a year didn't work we're going back to 1

[dusk bolt]

Incorrect. This was an idea floating around Bungie but it got scrapped in favor of ending support on the game

[prime mica]

imagine what theyre going to give eyasluna

[digital crater]

yall think they bringing back onslaught shinies

[frozen karma]

Thats an understatment

[shadow crystal]

EP / EP

[frozen karma]

Neva

[digital crater]

firefly headstone id assume

[prime mica]

big maybe

[vivid swan]

The eepy gun 💤

[wintry silo]

Sadly yes, tech debt and dev costs are unreal. Part of why the marathon choice stings, because it really should have been a D3 to streamline and cut back, and then marathon. But it is what it is now

[dusk bolt]

Maybe for the Tier 5 variants?

[cerulean imp]

Sundered weapons… 🤤 🤤 🤤 🤤 🤤 🤤

[digital crater]

that would be lame

[cerulean imp]

I will be farming

[cerulean imp]

The Hc, scout and trace feel so good

[hybrid zealot]

i'm more a firefly ofa person

[cerulean imp]

I personally haven’t used the shotgun

[digital crater]

scouts in pve

[wooden glade]

no

[dusk bolt]

The slug is also really good

[wooden glade]

DMG said they won’t

[digital crater]

it’s good for damage

[shadow crystal]

SRL armor bonus looks good for arc builds

[wintry silo]

Also, 21% delerium.... cant wait to grind that out again

[vivid swan]

I just hope we hear about a primary weapon buff tmrw

[prime mica]

great for pvp

[cerulean imp]

Only rapid fire scouts feel good in PvE imo

[prime mica]

cope pve shotgun

[wooden glade]

They’ll have the shiny variant for MoT but not ITL

[dusk bolt]

Best damage per shot slug in the game and really good in PvP

[gray sigil]

I'm sorry, but it is a flop, at least financially. We probably wont ever get concrete numbers but we know that it likely cost a lot to make, and that it didnt sell very well. From what I gathered and again - not concrete, but it sold like 1.3 - 1.5 million units. At $40 a pop that's still only $60 million in revenue and of course this is before deductions and all that

[cerulean imp]

I hate sundered farming but the loot is too good not to

[shadow crystal]

Im actually satisfied with the new gear so far

[prime mica]

who using slugs for dps tho

[vivid swan]

Yeah but it's pretty cool tho

[cerulean imp]

The gift of Apollo tells me weapon balancing/changes tomorrow will make Double slug meta

[digital crater]

says new holofoils will be available

[gray sigil]

I frankly don't find it very interesting. I played it for a bit and liked if but I've already uninstalled

[vivid swan]

Thats what I'm sayin, fourth horseman, cascade point gl, cascade point rapid fire shotty for the win

[hybrid zealot]

dsc taniks quickswap meta

[solid flicker]

I’m still new so I don’t really know how impactful any of that is

[wooden glade]

As I said, it’ll be for the MoT variant, not the one for ITL

[dusk bolt]

And again, financially there is no way it could have ever been a success. Bungie’s biggest problem is financial mismanagement and horrible upper management/executives, which both eat away at what should be profit for the company

[vivid swan]

To each their own

[digital crater]

didn’t see u said that already, myb

[wooden glade]

nw

[frozen karma]

Is the moon getting the refresh too?

[dusk bolt]

Yep

[digital crater]

no everything but the moon

[dusk bolt]

Distortions are there

[digital crater]

even eternity

[frozen karma]

It was weird cuz they didnt show a sample weapon

[vivid swan]

They are finally bring loot quality to being tied to activity difficultly which has been asked for since portal was released. Destinations getting some love is amazing. And my god the sheer amount of weapons we are getting is absolutely insane. Not to mention ALL R&D weapons and armor are being revamped

[jolly vortex]

seen a wizard there recently, not sure if relevant

[dusk bolt]

I’m kinda curious as to what they’re gonna do for Shattered Throne/Pit weapons lmao

[wintry silo]

Again, a lot of marathon players take it as an attack but its not. Sometimes games that really resonate with us flop and eventually die. I fucking LOVED new world but, it had a rough launch, a terrible engined that made its content cycles way too long and in the end, it didnt last. New World was a great game to a lot of people, and a flop

[formal kite]

I'm surprised distortions will rotate hourly instead of daily.

[digital crater]

new ones i’m assuming

[wintry silo]

Nope, its still haunted

[digital crater]

cosmodrome distortion looks like siva

[dusk bolt]

They also didn’t show one for the EDZ. A lot will still be a surprise

Or Throne World

[edgy oriole]

What about Season Pass for new skin armor and weapon?

[dusk bolt]

No idea yet

[solid flicker]

They’re basically giving people a reason to replace all the stuff they’ve earned across the games lifetime for new and possibly better builds

[vivid swan]

Toast to toa5t, ik the game isn't doing well and I don't believe it will be enough to keep Bungie afloat. But damn is it a cool game

[wintry silo]

I just wish we could go back to mars man.... or titan. Titan was bland as far as gameplay, but man, the scale and visual design was 10/10

[hybrid zealot]

They will still run the season pass intended for shadow and order.

Has a new exotic hc

[vivid swan]

Precisely. Since they are bringing old gear up to the power standard of today, builds are going to become significantly more diverse I believe. Especially in the legendary realm

[dusk bolt]

That is the hope. We’ll see tomorrow I hope

[frozen karma]

Secret exotic mission on nessus trust

[wintry silo]

A perfect way to close it out, so I am 100% grateful for that

[solid flicker]

Sounds super cool :3

I got set up yesterday with a risk runner set and I’ve been enjoying it tho I’d perfer to do.. other things

[formal kite]

Thorn...2!

[vivid swan]

What kind of play styles do you like?

Edit: risk runner is great but it just does everything for you

[wintry silo]

I just need a tiered memory of cayde to be a thing

[sour prawn]

toot

[frozen karma]

New weapons perhaps

[grave pond]

Why do we still have nessus? I don't recall there being a campaign left on it. I miss mercury

[buoyant furnace]

D2 team confirms artifact will be talked about

[vivid swan]

Yippee!! Any inferable hints
We saw already that weapons are going to have intrinsic stunning capabilities

[buoyant furnace]

It'll be made to fit with the update presumably

[dusk bolt]

Strike/Campaign content. Also the largest of the planets. Mercury had the LEAST on it

[vivid swan]

BUNGIE LET ME PULL ARTIFACTS FROM COLLECTIONS AND MY LIFE IS YOUR 🙏🙏🙏

[frozen karma]

Current artifact is boring as hell

[vivid swan]

The void stuff is dope tho and that sword circle bit

[hybrid zealot]

... i kinda like the sniper perks

[solid flicker]

Big fan of AOE, debuffing, and high single target dps while being able to weaken crowds to be easily defeated by myself or allies

I also really enjoy doom, so anything that would basically turn destiny into doom for me would be sick

[high cloud]

there are 2 too many words in this sentence

[dusk rose]

meditation and refurbished pair well icl

[deep maple]

https://x.com/destinybulletn/status/2060047035726991591?s=46&t=EcWC8wGYa3E-Cvm4kA49Ig

WARMIND CELLS ARENT LOST MEDIA

[hybrid zealot]

Yeah. Sniper meditation + reload at range make that gun a nice weapon

[frozen karma]

Shhhh🤫

[high cloud]

[onyx sinew]

they never were

[grave pond]

What campaign is left for though? Strikes make sense. Been a few months since I've last played

[dusk bolt]

Also curious to see what they’re gonna do with the artifact system. Seems like champ mods are becoming innate to weapons/weapon archetypes but I wanna see if we actually get custom artifacts or can equip previous artifacts

[onyx sinew]

Trophy Hunter probably returning btw

[vivid swan]

Liiiit the best kind of build, I could cook up some ideas.

What class?

[cerulean imp]

I’m guessing we’ll just get a cycling artifact that doesn’t have champ mods to allow for more unique artifacts

[dusk bolt]

Has ties to other campaigns and was frequently used in seasonal/episode content. No campaign takes place entirely on Nessus though

[solid flicker]

Currently only playing warlock, that’ll be simplest to talk about for now lol

[gray sigil]

I agree, but Marathon also does not offer much to the market I'd argue. In contrast there still isn't really a competitor to the destiny franchise at least directly anyway, but using an IP as old as Marathon for a genre as niche as an extraction shooter was probably not a very good move from the start, nonetheless it is also contending with a few titles most notably tarkov on pc and arc raiders on pc and console, even if i dislike arc raiders as well. I have stated a few times probably here and the marathon discord that I foresaw the game bleeding players once they tuned into what the gameplay loop is like, and that has been evident for a while now. It's no secret they also basically said it's not for everyone - they're only now adding a PVE mode, but i'm afraid it's already too late. Attempting to expand your playerbase is dangerous - we saw how that ended up with Halo Infinite, but limiting it is clearly not a good idea either and Marathon couldn't be a better example

[grave pond]

Probably nostalgia but I miss the first few years. I really liked the titan and mercury environment

[errant ermine]

Marathon killed d2

Bungie shouldn't have allocated funds to a new game if they were going to neglect the old one

[dusk bolt]

Cryo go to bed

[gray sigil]

Marathon killed nothing, bungie killed d2

[errant ermine]

I just woke up

[vivid swan]

Have you tried the buddy build yet 👀

[dusk bolt]

Go back to bed

[errant ermine]

Well alright

[dry yacht]

Anyone else agree most of the game is too easy?

[errant ermine]

The entire of the game is too easy

[vivid swan]

Try solo vespers on hunter

[zinc socket]

Me when i just do patrols

[errant ermine]

-50 is easy

[dry yacht]

I wish they upped the difficulty or had options

[onyx sinew]

plenty

[dry yacht]

First decendant had hard mode patrol for example which was actually kind of nice

[vivid swan]

Chat that's what the portal is 😭

[dusk bolt]

I don’t think trying to revitalize a game is a bad idea, nor do I think it’s impossible. Destiny has done it SEVERAL times (D1 Launch sucks, Taken King brings people back. D2 Launch sucks, Forsaken brings people back. Beyond Light is mediocre? Witch Queen. Lightfall? Final Shape)

[dry yacht]

But you don't default matchmaking to activities that are difficult

[deep maple]

why did bungie make a new game if they were just gonna stop supporting their old ones?

bad management is what it is

[vivid swan]

So then it's harder cuz it's solo, but also lfg

[dry yacht]

Common Sense solves a lot of problems, but unfortunately CEOs and business people don't have common sense

[dusk bolt]

Financial mismanagement and bad executives

[dry yacht]

They were working on about four projects to five projects all at once

[zinc socket]

Lack of resources

[buoyant furnace]

Because they were not under the impression that they would stop supporting d2

[dry yacht]

I didn't say you can't create difficulty. I'm saying most of the game by default is not difficult and is way too easy. Extremely easy to the point that I did a strike on a new Titan and didn't die once even though it was in the middle of the open just because of hammer

[grave pond]

No chance we get heresy activity back? Or other ones like the season of the deep? So much content just wasted down the drain

[dry yacht]

In Destiny 1, You'll get your f****** ass eaten on dark blade as a new character in the middle of the open

[buoyant furnace]

We got overrides so I'm cool

[zinc socket]

And now theyre in a death spiral with losing devs and having to put out more and better content

[buoyant furnace]

So happy about this

[dry yacht]

It's straight up over they're not going to recover from this

[grave pond]

Overrides?

[dry yacht]

And most of the good talent is gone

[deep maple]

and they might be bringing back warmind cells

[buoyant furnace]

Splicer activity

[zinc socket]

Same, i was screaming, i LOVED override

Splicer was the best

[grave pond]

Ah didnt play that season

[dry yacht]

Miss the cabal weapons

[vivid swan]

Tbf you are basically a god

[dusk bolt]

I mean they’ll recover. Sony isn’t going to let the company go under, but they’re gonna downsize and new games will be slow from here on out

[stoic stag]

im excited

[dry yacht]

The fact that you can run around with a hammer and survive with very little effort is dumb

The whole point of combat is to struggle against an enemy and win not to get free kills with no survival

[stoic stag]

any takers on bets whenever or not a "no, us the guardian is not actually that strong in the lore in terms of raw power" is warranted again

[zinc socket]

Yeah, just not anytime soon, i wish the bungie devs the best of luck and i hope for a brighter future

[dry yacht]

The talent is gone

[grave pond]

Abilities have got just that strong now

[gray sigil]

They are certainly going to attempt it with Marathon, I can't see it getting any more than triple its current playercount, but the way i see it is since Destiny had a larger audience to begin with, the returning players become exponential if that makes sense. Marathon is already lower than D2 only a few months in, and it's not even June 9 yet.

[dry yacht]

If they put in new talent, it's not the same talent so it's not going to be the same game

My point about difficulty is imagine you have a shooter game where you have no HP and you don't die. How fun would that be

[lucid belfry]

We want destiny 3 when do we want it now we want destiny 3 when do we want it now we ....

[dusk bolt]

Some of the talent yes. There are still plenty of talented developers and artists. And those who leave will likely join new studios or start their own

[prime mica]

still not as strong as it was before

[vivid swan]

There's no chance. We've killed CROTA, Nvota, Xul, Oryx, his daughters, xivu araths high champion (twice), THE WITNESS, rhulk, calus, the list goes on

[stoic stag]

which would apply if we killed them fair and square

We're not smart, we're clever

and really lucky

[dry yacht]

We haven't killed the winnower

[stoic stag]

shit, name a single powerful enemy we've killed fair and square that is a demonstration of our strength and capability

[vivid swan]

No guardian has so that doesn't count

[dry yacht]

For the story to continue, they're probably going to have to do the winnower and then a parallel universe after that because once you kill the whenower it's pretty much over

[vivid swan]

You might be, took me 8+ months to get a inmost + cyrt roll

[dry yacht]

Dude, Google cannot pick up on voice to text to save its f****** life

[stoic stag]

i mean why would we

[stoic stag]

im just going by lore here

not gameplay

[dry yacht]

Wtf is whenower

[vivid swan]

He's our hype man

[prime mica]

uhhh the tank strike

dude at the end

[deep maple]

https://x.com/lidjar_/status/2060042868363030783?s=46&t=EcWC8wGYa3E-Cvm4kA49Ig

we’re getting an update on the artifact tomorrow

[stoic stag]

the winnower literally cant try to fight us

[hybrid zealot]

Let it go... most d2 players now like their ability spam. Nothing is gonna change that tbh

I agree with you but its just not worth complaining about anymore at this stage

[gray sigil]

Difficulty is problematic because it usually just involves the stupid deficit which turns you into a plywood board and enemies into bullet sponges, but i somewhat agree about difficulty. The main issue i think is that enemies arent really designed to be "smart" as they would have been in halo 3 for example, where the ai directly reacts to leadership deaths, changes tactics etc

[stoic stag]

right yea i guess they were kinda strong

we are above average for sure though yes

we're just not some kind of god who could 1v1 oryx

[dry yacht]

Fair

[mortal night]

Old halo AI on legendary

Those mfs were insane

[gray sigil]

Yeah. They didnt mess around

[dusk bolt]

Very actually. RoR2 goes crazy

[prime mica]

borderlands 2 with grog nozzle

[wintry silo]

Wait are people trying to claim the guardian doesnt have feats? Have none of you raided? Our feat list is massive

[stoic stag]

and thats why we did a 6v1 against an oryx we starved just barely not to the point of actual death, while hoarding his magical nuclear arsenal to blow up right in his face, while also stealing his nuclear bunker

[dry yacht]

You still have HP and difficulty scales over time but it's relatively easy and I see your point. That is a pretty fun game even if you had no HP but having HP makes it more fun

[stoic stag]

thats not strength, but it is being clever.

[scarlet fiber]

100 percent true. Nothing manacles build is my soul mate build

[mortal night]

Salv was genuinely so boring to play😭

[prime mica]

like all the raid bosses didnt take us seriously or just revived so weakened

[stoic stag]

we're not even the strongest guardian, but they send us into hell not because we're "the strongest", they send us in because we're quick on our feet, we adapt to any situation quickly and formulate a solution almost immediately

[prime mica]

rhulks final phase is him being serious

[dry yacht]

Someone with pic perms please Post the screenshot of the Sparrow racing weapons

They look really good

[dusk bolt]

He was fun but was also the most powerful character in the game by a mile

[stoic stag]

we're able to also do this while communicating this between 5 other people

we canonically do every raid wipeless

[dusk bolt]

Made UVHM look like a joke lmao

[wintry silo]

I have never seen so many bad, misinformed takes

[stoic stag]

that is a feat, that is impressive

[dry yacht]

I like the rocket in the bottom right weapon

[errant ermine]

Ror2 difficulty is the most unnoticeable thing ever until something gets behind you and breaks each separate vertabre of your spine

[shadow inlet]

Bl2 endgame genuinely makes me so sad

Its so fucking bad

[lean belfry]

was crota at least fair game

[mortal night]

You should not have been able to keep gunzerker up for like 20 mins at a time 😭

[gray sigil]

Rhulk straight up throwing hands as a bossfight is still cool af. I like RoN cuz its fun but Nezerac is such a bitch ass lmao

[dusk bolt]

It’s unnoticeable for now

[buoyant furnace]

BL2 "fans" when it's time to boot up UVHM:

[stoic stag]

yea at this point is common knowledge we're not "strong" rather than adaptive and clever. Well, we're strong, but its not our main strength

[errant ermine]

Next dlc looks promising

[stoic stag]

you rarely see anyone with the misconception these days but they still exist.

[shadow inlet]

Ruby/grog simulator

[mortal night]

Nuh uh I love mandatory grog

😭

[dusk bolt]

That and some of the combos with guns were ridiculous. AHAB and Pimpernel were insane

[wintry silo]

Our guardian is... what are you.... bro what

[sharp relic]

Guys the last time I played D2 it was the final shape. Do I even dare get renegades now that the game is ending?

[hybrid zealot]

I like the idea of slag but not when it becomes mandatory to even kill stuff lol

[shadow inlet]

YOU WILL SLAG AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!!!!

[buoyant furnace]

Or magic missile if you're playing anyone else

[stoic stag]

well its not exactly a closely kept secret.

[shadow inlet]

You still want grog purely for the passive healing

[stoic stag]

Dont exactly need a particularly good understanding of the lore to know that.

[dusk bolt]

Wait for a sale and then sure. The DLC actually was fun, don’t get me wrong.

[buoyant furnace]

Pistons blimp deadass made me uninstall

Pure slog of a fight

[fresh scroll]

Are you going to make a point or just sputter and stammer

[stoic stag]

thats not to say we're weak

[wintry silo]

Some of you do not read the lore and it shows. Our guardian is well well renowned for our immense power

[stoic stag]

by no means are we weak

[dry yacht]

Can we please get a cluster rocket buff

[stoic stag]

yes, hence my statement of this very thing

[dry yacht]

I want my D1 fantasy in D2

[stoic stag]

i implore you to read it.

[buoyant furnace]

I don't even wanna imagine badassosaurus

[hybrid zealot]

Well the badasssaurus rex afterwards was even more annoying

Wdym boss can reflect your damage back to you anytime it feels like it

[dry yacht]

I also want explosive rounds to be absolutely cracked

[stoic stag]

but its not our strength that was the main factor for dealing with raids

[shadow inlet]

D1 fantasy was everything was weaker and hit harder

[gray sigil]

John "walk em' down" guardian

[dry yacht]

What was weaker?

[shadow inlet]

Enemies

[buoyant furnace]

When I did true vault hunter I just hid behind the wall with unkempt herald

[stoic stag]

in a regular 1v1, any raid boss would turn the floor into a canvas, and our mangled corpse as the paint.

[shadow inlet]

They didnt take a lot to kill

[fresh scroll]

Bomb logic baby

[dry yacht]

In terms of damage sure but difficulty no

[rustic thunder]

D1 hard mode raids was you had 5 hp and the enemies had 5 hp

[shadow inlet]

Opposite

[gray sigil]

To be fair the game was scaled differently. You also had SUBSTANTIALLY less heavy ammo

[shadow inlet]

Enemies dealt more damage generally on d1

[dry yacht]

Yes correct. And your primary did more damage back then

[shadow inlet]

Yeah cause the game lacked depth

[dusk bolt]

There also weren’t the insane regen effects in D1

[buoyant furnace]

||TROPHY HUNTER|| IS COMING BACK

[stoic stag]

adaptive and clever cunning, at the right place at the right time, is more devestating than any blade

[shadow inlet]

It was more of a conventional shooter than anything else

[hybrid zealot]

Yesssss

[deep maple]

bungie if you’d love us, you’d make the DSC armor bonus warmind cell related

[dusk bolt]

When you needed health, you used Red Death because that was just about the only way to get it back besides passive regen

[fresh scroll]

Guardians are fun powerscaling wise because they are kinda glass cannons too

[shadow inlet]

D1s fantasy was kinda a cod campaign with some very minor perks tossed in

[buoyant furnace]

Please I need Alone as a god

[dry yacht]

Red death sucks. Ass is not even worth using even on crota

[deep maple]

[stoic stag]

We dont demonstrate strength

we demonstrate the validity of the bomb logic, by repeatedly kicking ass with it.

[gray sigil]

Idk about lacking depth - d2 took years to get to super customizability anywhere close to 1, but I guess in terms of weaponry thats somewhat true

[buoyant furnace]

Best weapon name in the game

[dusk bolt]

Enjoy your downvote kid

[fresh scroll]

A lot of destructive potential and power, but also their life and their Ghost could be ended by stray bullets

[shadow inlet]

Well crota you just needed to hit hard, cause you dont need to actually damage him

[dry yacht]

#🏆destiny-media

[prime mica]

ive died to screebs more than raid bosses

[dry yacht]

Destiny 1 best primary

[stoic stag]

we killed the witness using the bomb logic

[deep maple]

leviathan raid weapons have some of the best designs ngl

[dusk bolt]

Holy mid

[buoyant furnace]

Best designs and all S tier names

[proud cape]

we killed the witness by using facts and logic

[stoic stag]

you also need to consider the skill of a guardian and their ghost, which vary a lot

[dry yacht]

Treads upon stars with explosive rounds, life support and grenadier is the absolute best role you can get

[cobalt sluice]

in the end, we never got a primary ammo shotgun 💔

[stoic stag]

our guardian and ghost is probably smart enough to not make it easy to kill our ghost

[dry yacht]

Well technically lethe Nobless but you ain't getting that s***

[shadow inlet]

Good

[dusk bolt]

Best roll on a mid weapon

[prime mica]

WOKE ghost beam took him out

[dusk bolt]

I’m crine son

[proud cape]

yeah, love wins

[gray sigil]

Yeah there's a reason they didnt bring universal remote back

[solid flicker]

I’m actually not familiar with that

[errant ermine]

Woke took out destiny 2

[vivid swan]

We may be able to summon black holes but we only have ~200 health

[errant ermine]

Woke will create destiny 3

[dry yacht]

Do you have 13,000 hours in Destiny 1?

[latent valve]

that srl armor set bonus looks pretty nice

[dry yacht]

Tell me what you think is better

[stoic stag]

close, we can shoot black holes!

[digital crater]

be quiet bro

[buoyant furnace]

Spreadshot hand cannons:

[digital crater]

ur baiting

[errant ermine]

That's not the flex you think it is

[wintry silo]

You all do know, that in D1 Ikora literally states we are her equal and that she knows we will surpass them? Even saint agrees with this. People saying our strength doesnt make us special clearly do not read the lore

[stoic stag]

still not convinced they're just trying to make people hate D1

[errant ermine]

What is it

[worn pecan]

wrong. life support was a crazy perk that rolled with explosive rounds on scouts and hand cannons, energy drain regained health, cauterize for solar titans

[vivid swan]

Nova bomb

[prime mica]

[stoic stag]

well, not a black hole

[digital crater]

bro they’ve been arguing about d1 since 3am

[dusk bolt]

No. I talk to women. And men. And everyone in between

[digital crater]

😭

[worn pecan]

hunter had terrible recov and nothing to regain health other than life support tho but invis helped

[hybrid zealot]

Graviton lance

[stoic stag]

yeah my point exactly.

[stoic stag]

yes!

[dry yacht]

Tell me what gun is better than tread upon Stars

[latent valve]

-Revving Up (2-piece): Fast movement builds up a charge that gradually increases your health regeneration speed. Once you are Fully Revved, sprinting grants Speed Booster.
-Dielectric Drift (4-piece): Sliding while Speed Booster is active jolts combatants in front of you.

[digital crater]

yeah ik adding onto it

[dusk bolt]

Life Support more like Slop Support

[stoic stag]

ahh. Yeah to be fair it didnt seem like a rebuttal.

[gray sigil]

Fatebringer:

[errant ermine]

Oh that's neat

[deep maple]

t5 midnight coup is coming in june

[shadow inlet]

Its d1 bro all the guns are good

[worn pecan]

btw panentheist was ran out of ALL destiny 1 servers for his deranged damage testing

[dry yacht]

In Destiny, 1 is extremely mediocre

[vivid swan]

Its a miniature gravitational singularity, it's a black hole

[dry yacht]

It's a little bit overrated but it's not bad for a starting gun

[gray sigil]

BUDDY

[dusk bolt]

That one FWC scout

[dry yacht]

Treads upon Stars the same archetype that has better perks and better stats

[worn pecan]

literally top 3 perks in the game

[prime mica]

[stoic stag]

no, some aspects of it can emulate and be similar to a black hole, but its not no

[dusk bolt]

Wrong

[dusk bolt]

Maybe if you’re a noob

[stoic stag]

A black hole at that size, at that mass, would end our solar system.

[hybrid zealot]

Oh is he d1's waxpython

[dry yacht]

What about it is wrong

[vivid swan]

Whip out the proof gang

[dry yacht]

Don't make me pull up the spreadsheet

[dusk bolt]

You’re misinformed

[errant ermine]

Spreadsheet is unreliable

[dusk bolt]

Hope that helps

[stoic stag]

the real life physics that this would canonically operate on

[digital crater]

oh no, keyboard warrior is rising up

[worn pecan]

literally the best perk for solo play and the best possible perk in that 1st slot for pve usage. cc is shit

[dry yacht]

Tell me precisely why you think the wounded is better than treads

[stoic stag]

A black hole of that volume would end everything

graviton lance might not even shoot black holes

not to mention: Not every singularity is a black hole

[dusk bolt]

Gotta be trolling. Literally like bottom 5 perks in the game

[stoic stag]

every black hole has a singularity though

[fresh scroll]

We are absolutely a strong and prodigal Guardian, but there really isn’t meant to be that big of a gulf between us and our particularly notable allies. The game and lore goes out its way to demonstrate the real reasons we defeat our enemies is through strategy and how we exploit weaknesses and advantages and such

[errant ermine]

This guys a d1 casual

[dusk bolt]

Better stats

[formal kite]

Woah woah woah we are definitely extremely strong. There's no other explanation for how we were able to hold on to the side of a ship going near light speed.

[worn pecan]

go watch any vosik solo and tell me life support is ass

[dry yacht]

#🏆destiny-media

@dusk bolt

[summer vault]

Is this the Krusty Krab?

[dusk bolt]

Clearly you’re new to the game

[stoic stag]

actually the "light speed" effect thing on ships is not light speed!

its space folding

[dry yacht]

He thinks having 15% damage boost for 3 seconds is better than life support

[stoic stag]

i mean yeah its fast as fuck and we should not be able to hold onto that

[dry yacht]

He also doesn't understand that having life regen allows you to be more aggressive

[worn pecan]

clearly you’ve never solo flawlessed wrath

[stoic stag]

but its not lightspeed

[formal kite]

That's why I said near lightspeed.

[digital crater]

have u tho

[summer vault]

What are we talking about anyway

[worn pecan]

i have

[stoic stag]

its not quite that either afaik

[fresh scroll]

Take the Witness. We do not defeat the Witness through strength, but because of the actions we take to free the Traveler’s Light and also to understand the Witness’ consciousness and the defectors, allowing us to then use the Traveler’s gifts directly to sever the Witness from within, weakening it little by little until we are able to unmake it

[primal frigate]

#📚lore-discussion

[dry yacht]

Gunk probably thinks that Firefly is the best perk

[formal kite]

I wonder if the Pale Heart with have distortions.

[stoic stag]

to give a rudimentary explanation of how it works:

Imagine two ends of a paper
space folding is kinda like folding the paper to shorten the distance between the two ends