General Wiki Discussion

[pine leaf]

also, those two level 3 clusters are the same place and the level 2 ones are different places lol

[drifting aspen]

alr

[valid osprey]

Added ton of pictures and details regarding enemies, resources and settlements. Going through it slowly. But if people wanna help thats totally welcome 😄
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Pioneers

[pine leaf]

nice

i'll do something if i ever get the motivation to do some wiki stuff again

[delicate isle]

fuel and repairing section is technically incorrect because the emergency repair exists, right?

[pine leaf]

can we put one of those "this page contains spoilers" thing here (the quote can stay, though moved below the spoilers text)

[pine leaf]

added and edited a few

the ones that don't have a node form i just put pictures of their drop form

i should say that we should put 2 sections in each resource (that has a node form), one for the small and one for the large node variant

the dropped form can get a loot table from different enemies since i think you can get more drops from certain enemies (i got 7 from a flak pod compared to 4 from an artillery pod but this might just be dumb luck)

what does this do?

[valid osprey]

I was considering it; but I dont think we have any spoiler tag yet.

[valid osprey]

Yes, it was quickly done but feel free to correct it. Plenty of info being incorrect as it is just from top of my head or in a rush

[valid osprey]

I was thinking that as well but I found it a little too verbose. What people are mostly curious about is just how they look to find them (in my experience)

[valid osprey]

no clue 🤷‍♂️

[halcyon mesa]

just send a thank, there isnt really a way to communicate in the wiki so thats teh way to thank a contribution

[valid osprey]

:>

[halcyon mesa]

is there a way to add a larger spacing between lines?

when there are many bug fixes it becomes really hard to read due to all the mess, a larger spacing might help

[valid osprey]

You could try <br/>, but depends on what you need

[halcyon mesa]

i dont think it works inside syntaxhighlight

[valid osprey]

Ah, when it is list it is defined in the style. Not much we can do other than do a site-wide change.

[pine leaf]

ooh

[halcyon mesa]

is there any place i can find the different fonts listed, like markdown is one right

[valid osprey]

Markdown is more like a text layout language.

What do you mean with the different fonts listed? Like the available fonts to choose from or?

[halcyon mesa]

so what does the layout language do to a text

[valid osprey]

# this is a headline
~this is spoiler~
> this is quote

a way to write plain text with markdown tags, and then you have a text renderer that knows how to read markdown and then format them different based on the tags.

[halcyon mesa]

would it be possible to make something similar to syntax highlight that doesnt limit it in all format options?

i found how to change the font but idk if its possible to make the square

[lofty pendant]

If you mean what you are doing here, that's a monospaced block, usually intended for formatting code

[halcyon mesa]

i see

this could work

i dont like how the subbullet point looks like (on the New Trailmakers Manual), any suggestions?

[halcyon mesa]

i might go with this

final iteration, now ill have to go through the painful process of converting all 47 updates into this format

[halcyon mesa]

updated with the new format up to 1.8, it goes quicker than i thought but its still a lot

[drifting aspen]

@valid osprey do you want me to get only the completed settlements

[valid osprey]

@drifting aspen I would prefer start state but anything is ok 🙂 Also needs name as I dont remember them! (This Tungburg right?)

[drifting aspen]

oh ok, since ive got mostly completed and half completed

also yes that is tungburg

[valid osprey]

But yeah; just take the screenshot in a way that it is recognisable where it is. I think you did really well with this one! looks like it is top of the hill

Maybe actually a side of the hill might be better.

[drifting aspen]

alr

[valid osprey]

Oh yeah, and preferable during day-time

[drifting aspen]

i dont have much time rn, but ill get it done after im done with classes

[valid osprey]

dont sweat it 😄
do studies~

[drifting aspen]

will do

[valid osprey]

@upbeat marsh

[upbeat marsh]

will get to work asap sir 🫡

[drifting aspen]

@valid osprey i tried to include some of the area around each town, but i might have missed a few towns

if you want i can re-take the photos

[pine leaf]

the other skytree settlement

[drifting aspen]

also i tried to keep my vehicle out of frame, which was difficult

[pine leaf]

just leave the town

[drifting aspen]

wait, here

[pine leaf]

that's certainly something

[valid osprey]

i haven't gotten to the skytrees in my own campaign, wtf are their name lol

[drifting aspen]

cloudpoke and overtrunk

[elder belfry]

Should I post my photo here too? Just to keep it all in one place

[pine leaf]

iirc overtrunk is the one nearby understump and cloudpoke is the one near skytree valley i think

[drifting aspen]

correct

[drifting aspen]

yeah

[pine leaf]

it feels wrong the fact that tungburg is closer to the withered heights area than overtrunk

[elder belfry]

Understump

[pine leaf]

the center of them at least

[drifting aspen]

I might try to change my graphics, i already did for those pictures, my pc does not like it tho

but i did what i could

[elder belfry]

Yeah, thats fair

I like your Port Aqualite photo

[drifting aspen]

thanks

for some reason i felt like taking pics on space sector was easier than this

[elder belfry]

We have all the towns now, right?

[drifting aspen]

i think so

[elder belfry]

Alr, cool

[valid osprey]

which one was this?

[elder belfry]

Derog's pond

Iirc

[drifting aspen]

Derogs pond

[drifting aspen]

can confirm, right there in game as we speak

[valid osprey]

❤️

[elder belfry]

frog music starts playing

[drifting aspen]

btw did we get pictures of all the enemies yet

[valid osprey]

No missing the dogfigthers, I got some pictures of the white artillery ones

[drifting aspen]

ill get those

[valid osprey]

Get them super close, and preferable single unit in a frame with neutral background (eg. sky or whatever) 😄

[drifting aspen]

ill try my best

[drifting aspen]

because i took these aswell

[valid osprey]

Added the settlements ❤️

[elder belfry]

Yippie!

[drifting aspen]

is this good?

[valid osprey]

wtf what a banger

[drifting aspen]

wait i hope i got it right-side up

[elder belfry]

Looks nice!

[drifting aspen]

thanks

[halcyon mesa]

@full pewter sent me a few yesterday that could work too

[valid osprey]

This looks HOT

[drifting aspen]

hell yeah

[halcyon mesa]

also i just finished updating the patchnotes wiki page with the new format

is there any way to do a half tab stop, like : does a full one, is it possible to make half of it

[pine leaf]

oh my

[halcyon mesa]

putting spaces now does something interesting so id rather avoid that

[pine leaf]

i'll take some bismuth pics rq

and maybe some powerful laser crystals if i can acquire any

[pine leaf]

sorry for the ping but what is the drop range of Powerful Laser Crystals?

[valid osprey]

I wish I could look these up myself but I don't have the ability 💔

[pine leaf]

NOOO

i will just estimate 2-4 and hope it's close enough

did the thing

[halcyon mesa]

I figured out how to change margins, life's good

Also I changed the name of the wiki page from Patch notes to Patch Notes, I hope that doesn't cause any issues on other parts of the wiki (I have included a redirect link)

[pine leaf]

are we gonna include level 2 and level 3 enemies?

[halcyon mesa]

You could try using tabbers for that

[pine leaf]

if only i knew how to

[valid osprey]

think it is a good idea! I can do it, just need more pictures and more info on locations, etc.

[pine leaf]

hell yeah

[halcyon mesa]

I saw the website earlier, I'll try getting it

Explained pretty well how to make tabbers

[pine leaf]

ok

also, we need to add the new blocks

how the fuck are we gonna do this?

[lofty pendant]

Iirc lukkram was working on that

[pine leaf]

ah okay

iirc with a capital I looks so wrong

[halcyon mesa]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Tabber#First_Tab_Title

[pine leaf]

is it time to copy some paste?

[valid osprey]

tabbers example here
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Achievements

[halcyon mesa]

there are also tabbers on the blocks wiki page, which with the new builder it could have an update on how theyre organized

[pine leaf]

as i was saying ^\

[halcyon mesa]

okay nvm it already got updated

i think the expand should be a custom button cuz its so small

[pine leaf]

i got the tabber to work i think

[halcyon mesa]

kinda hard to click on

[pine leaf]

should i just label it "Level 1" "Level 2" and "Level 3" or what

what are they officially called

[halcyon mesa]

what is this black magic

[pine leaf]

just some random thing, i accidentally put D replacing M in mining drone and got
Dining drone

[halcyon mesa]

peak

also is there a way to make the content box be collapsed by default?

[pine leaf]

i mean

[valid osprey]

epic

[pine leaf]

where can i find a level 2 hovertank that isn't chilling underwater

or is this good enough, i cornered a hovertank

nevermind i got a better angle

[halcyon mesa]

its very much in the way when you have almost 50 headers

[pine leaf]

the contrast kill sme

does a level 2 artillery pod even exist 😅

it's so damn unfortunate that the level 3 enemies only spawn in the swampy or withered areas where it's dark asf

just now i realize the level 2 pods are the one with shields for some reason

this means that the flak pods are actually level 3

augh

[valid osprey]

I would probably just split them into "major" sections instead. So One for 1.9, one for 1.8, etc. And the rest are just bolded sections. Then you wont have such a verbose list AND visibility is adhered

[halcyon mesa]

i would have to reorder it completely

[pine leaf]

minor issue
i haven't saved the page and it's now frozen

[halcyon mesa]

there isnt a way to move the contents or anything right

[valid osprey]

I believe you only have to remove the === from the ones you dont want included in the list? 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

yea but if anything id want them inside their major respective update

[valid osprey]

Ah fair - I see.

[halcyon mesa]

they managed to move it down on this wiki, but it doesnt seem to have any special code that does it

i think i now what happened there, still idk if theres any way to change this, unless theres somee setting in the page itself to do so

[pine leaf]

what

[valid osprey]

those 4k pictures are sometimes too big, has to be less than 10mb afaik

[pine leaf]

aaaaaaaaa

compressing time

[valid osprey]

you can always just convert it to jpeg, think that usually works fine

[pine leaf]

oh, i already compressed it

[halcyon mesa]

I'm researching on how I can do custom namespaces, I'll have to learn to do some coding unless I find an already built one

[halcyon mesa]

I haven't found yet any custom namespaces but by the looks of it this is a namespace

So I hope I'm on the right track

There's also something called navigation box (navbox), but idk what exactly they do

The more I think about it the more it seems like a change that would apply to all wiki pages, not only mine

[valid osprey]

So what is it exactly you wanna do right now?

Ignoring the technical part; what do you want to achieve?

[halcyon mesa]

So you see the content box, I wanna get rid of it and introduce a custom one that starts in a collapsed state

[valid osprey]

Why?

[halcyon mesa]

Cuz my page has almost 50 headers so it takes up a massive space

[valid osprey]

Why not just have less headlines?

The meaning of Table of Contents is to quickly be able to jump somewhere else. It would defeat its purpose.

[halcyon mesa]

Having less headlines is an option, I just wanna see if there's other alternatives

[valid osprey]

Understandable 🙂 Just think any other way, then you will have to fuck with the built in functions. Which means you will just be fighting the systems instead - aka. going non-standard route.

[halcyon mesa]

The custom namespaces are not exactly built in

So I'll have to check some policies and tos

[valid osprey]

I guess what I am trying to get at; I think these are much more advanced and complicated solutiions compared to simple wanting something a little shorter. And I am trying to argue maybe there is a much simpler solution that is just reduce the headlines 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

Yea

[valid osprey]

Could I make an example for you quickly?

[halcyon mesa]

Ye

If we're going for less headlines you'll have to delete the template page I was starting to mess with on this rabbit hole

[low helm]

Hello peeps

[valid osprey]

@halcyon mesa will you crucify me with this change? 🙂

Each actual update patch note is then just a paragraph with bigger text!

[halcyon mesa]

Did you reorder all of the things?

[valid osprey]

It is already sorted correctly as if you scroll from the bottom and upwards it goes from earliest to latest

[halcyon mesa]

How does a hotfix look like

[halcyon mesa]

Impressive, I like it

U can save it, sorry for being stubborn about it earlier

[valid osprey]

Go in and copy your own as it is a big update 😉

I think it might be nice to back it up as I did make a few creative changes to naming for the sake of consistentcy

[valid osprey]

Dont think you were! Sometimes we get good ideas , mine was also shit as it took me way too long lmao

[halcyon mesa]

It's always possible to undo changes by going into the history

[valid osprey]

Ah forgot lmao

Boom submitted

I'll go off now though so I might first answer later if you have any questions

[halcyon mesa]

Okie, goobai

[valid osprey]

Also, this page is impressive!! crazy amount of work must have gone into it.

[halcyon mesa]

Tbh this wiki page is so long changing something about format usually takes me multiple hours

[halcyon mesa]

Indeed, I was even considering on adding prelaunch updates but I think that's going a bit too far

[tidal atlas]

4h late but yeah, that took soooo long. I just made a bunch of templates to make editing the block sections easier

Still gotta do some stuff but I've been quite busy so I haven't gotten around doing it. Things I still have to do is getting pics and info for the ones that are missing it and filling them out. And remaking some pages like the Logic one or Soundmakers one to be more incorporated to the new layout

[valid osprey]

get it; you can always ask for help as well, but yeah holy moly haha

This wiki is slowly coming along, makes me so happy people wanna help!

[halcyon mesa]

ye, once the patch notes are done ill def wanna progress on some other stud

[delicate isle]

standard car wheel is missing from https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Wheels

[tidal atlas]

That page is gonna be repurposed as everything is in the Blocks page now. It's in my long list of things to fix but I just haven't had the time

Not that there is any info on the car wheel infobox. Bc again, haven't had the time

[halcyon mesa]

kinda glad im doing these changes cuz i found a criminal typo (there shouldnt be a 5 there)

[halcyon mesa]

i think i improved overall how the patch notes look now, theres something weird about margins so i had to work around it

you cant </div> a <div style="margin-X: Xpx"> if theres a line breaker in the way even tho the line breaker doesnt get rid of the added margin

[low helm]

I see CSS & HTML, me like

[halcyon mesa]

💔

[low helm]

Summer

[halcyon mesa]

Blame Frans, I didn't do that typo

[low helm]

We got the dynamite in that update

Good update.

[valid osprey]

@halcyon mesa
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/585420/view/529841158837241718

🫡

[halcyon mesa]

on it, thanks for notifying btw

[thin plank]

Damn, good job on the patch notes page @halcyon mesa

[halcyon mesa]

thank u ^^

[valid osprey]

some hardcore trivia being added lol

[pine leaf]

credit brute for naming him melvin or whoever it was

[halcyon mesa]

trivia normally goes at the bottom above references right

[pine leaf]

who said

[valid osprey]

yeah i know just didnt care too much for it

[halcyon mesa]

most wikis that includes it

[halcyon mesa]

also i dont think a comma infront of 'Melvin' is necessary

[valid osprey]

feel free to change it! I am generally not good at writing 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

whats the page?

[pine leaf]

i think it's the space sector page

[valid osprey]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Chirpos

[halcyon mesa]

i can tell

[pine leaf]

oh nvm

will froggits have their own page or will it just be bundled in with the pioneers page?

[valid osprey]

I think it would make sense to move the chirpo section into Airborne page actually.

[pine leaf]

also maybe including photos of melvin in the 2 other maps would be a decent idea

[valid osprey]

But I am not strongly opiniated about it

[halcyon mesa]

but chirpos arent airborne only so

[halcyon mesa]

are you supposed to drive terry to his home or drive 'you' home?

[drifting aspen]

it was me

[halcyon mesa]

updated the Melvin section with some more lore and fixed some grammar mistakes

[full shale]

"Aaccording"

[halcyon mesa]

ACK

okay frans were on the same boat

[pine leaf]

"very high weight value" isn't it like 1200kg

[halcyon mesa]

750kg

lukkram weighed him

[pine leaf]

meh weight

[halcyon mesa]

i mean its the heaviest moveable asset by far

[pine leaf]

at least he isn't like 50kg or something

[low helm]

The people spoke

It was a choice of 50, 75, 100, or 150+ (i.e. 50 being the weight of a container)

[pine leaf]

i hoped it was 1200 ngl

[quaint nacelle]

150kg in the physics engine is 750 in buildmode kg iirc

[tidal atlas]

Yes. I like to call the coding units to avoid confusion

[halcyon mesa]

Why would there be 2 different measurements btw

[quaint nacelle]

physics engines dont like heavy things and it probably higher in build mode so you builds feel more impressive

[halcyon mesa]

Oh wow

[valid osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trailmakers/comments/1jjj82e/hover_tank_enemy/

[low helm]

[drifting aspen]

w h a t

[halcyon mesa]

Maybe they're talking about a different wiki

Who knows

[pine leaf]

extract some info

[halcyon mesa]

i mean to be fair the hovertank is not even centred in the image

it is right above sand which makes it slightly blend in

something ive seen on other wikis was having a gallery section by the bottom below trivia above references, there could be a handful of images for each botnak over there

[halcyon mesa]

im reworking on this section on pioneers cuz the vocabulary was very poor and repetitive

[halcyon mesa]

updated the progression section, removed the gameplay first paragraphs (they belonged to progression anyways), updated the first paragraphs of fuel and repairing
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Pioneers

also centred the text inside these tables cuz they felt very wrong

[halcyon mesa]

placed the mechanical subcategorie on the right spot now, also wtf lukkram why did it take like a whole minute to save changes, the preview didnt even work
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Blocks

[tidal atlas]

Idk, I guess bc of all the stuff it was trying to load? Since technically speaking all the things are on the same page

[honest forum]

What does captain wiki mean

[tidal atlas]

It's just that I started the wiki thing here in the discord with the devs and did a bunch of groundwork on the wiki.gg

[honest forum]

OoOo sounds interesting and fun.. tedious too id think

[tidal atlas]

Yeah, extremely tedious

[halcyon mesa]

hmm

[tidal atlas]

Dang it, I'll go fix it

Aight it should be fixed now, it might take a bit for it to show the change though.

[shut pagoda]

If i add a ton of stuff to the wiki would i become Sargent wiki

[delicate isle]

pretty sure racing seat thumbnail was taken with the clean block skin, nubs aren't visible

car seat and racing seat are missing weight and aero rating

[tidal atlas]

I'll get to the wiki next week. I'm in a sort of exam week and can't work on it

[tidal atlas]

I'm not sure, it would be up to johannes, but it would mean another role to be made and the like. So I wouldn't get my hopes up

[halcyon mesa]

how does one put tables on a tabber, im currently trying to get 3 tabbers each with a table but first tabber is the only one showing the table

apparently the 2 and 3 tabbers just wont show anything at all

[halcyon mesa]

wha

okay nvm apparently the preview was just broken

it works perfectly

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Shortcuts_%26_Controls#tabber-tabpanel-Builder-0

Cleaned it a little overall but it still needs work

[halcyon mesa]

@valid osprey i wanted to create columns into the wiki and it says this text has to be added to a special:CSS, which they also say that someone with admin needs to do it so

actually i might be able to do it without this

[halcyon mesa]

took a lot of trial and error but i think this can work

better

I wanted this specifically to work on phone...

I'm not gonna bother tbh cuz the templates aren't mine

[lofty pendant]

That seems like a good candidate for a table

[halcyon mesa]

Is it possible to make tables without borders?

[lofty pendant]

Not sure, would have to look into it

[tidal atlas]

Yeah, the on the original blocks page, the buttons to switch between the category pages were in an "invisible" table

[halcyon mesa]

I didn't see any tables on that one, just templates

[tidal atlas]

It was in a template. I think it was BIcons and AIcons. Let me go check

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:BIcon here is one. Although looking through my phone I don't know what I did to make it invisible. I forgor.

[halcyon mesa]

It looks like you didn't include class="wikitable" to the table

So it could be that

[tidal atlas]

True

[halcyon mesa]

Or

U used the {{flexstart}} {{flexed}} templates

But idk if that would work for multiple lines of text

I'm not sure cuz it talks a lot about collapsibles

[lofty pendant]

Flex is for a different thing

[halcyon mesa]

Would removing the class="wikitable" make it work? Or just make it an infobox

[lofty pendant]

You can try

[halcyon mesa]

ill do soon

[halcyon mesa]

it was about the class="wikitable"

but when you type it out raw itll put a default padding of 0

so you have to manually add margins on every line

should i include a website recommendation to know if your components are meeting the requirements or not?

and if so could i include a link to the one i think is most reliable

[valid osprey]

You can change pr column or row padding, just can't remember how ✨

if you leave it be maybe i can look up later

[halcyon mesa]

yea like this way of making a table is NOT ideal

|<div style="font-size: 10pt">MIMIMUM:</div>||<div style="font-size: 10pt ; margin-left: 20px">RECOMMENDED:</div>
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px">Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system || <div style="margin-left: 30px">Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">OS:</span> Windows 10 64 Bit || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">OS:</span> Windows 10 64 Bit
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Processor:</span> i5-4440 (3.1 GHz quad-core) || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Processor:</span> i7-7700K
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Memory:</span> 8 GB RAM || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Memory:</span> 16 GB RAM
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Graphics:</span> GTX 660 || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Graphics:</span> GTX 1080
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">DirectX:</span> Version 11 || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Network:</span> Broadband Internet connection
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Network:</span> Broadband Internet connection || <div style="margin-left: 30px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Storage: 10 GB available space
|-
|<div style="margin-left: 10px"><span style="color:darkgray;">Storage:</span> 8 GB available space || <div style="margin-left: 30px">
|-
|}```

people dont like using tables this way TwT

[halcyon mesa]

@stone wyvern do you know what the Quality setting is set as default when first opening the game, im doubting between middle road or a system that bases it off of your computer specs

[low helm]

Wut

[low helm]

Did you mean to ping that person

[halcyon mesa]

oops

its the second time that happens 😭

[halcyon mesa]

@valid osprey

[valid osprey]

I dont; I would assume Middle road. I am quite confident we don't have any system to auto adjust

[halcyon mesa]

i just found someone that got the game yesterday on steam, they didnt have middle road, rather pretty and slow and they have a high end pc so there has to be a system that auto adjusts

[halcyon mesa]

still a WIP but im quite happy how its looking
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Graphics

[shut pagoda]

Btw this may be something to consider that on mobile the image doesn't fit properly unless you zoom out (i still need to fix it on the decal stuff i added its just smth to consider)

[halcyon mesa]

Im aware and tried fixing it but uh yea it's not very possible

Making that image smaller on pc makes it unreadable

[halcyon mesa]

If U wanna help on that page U can include the prompt that appears when holding above each setting on advanced graphics

[shut pagoda]

Im not going to have access to my pc until Thursday so it eill be a while untill i can make edits because editing the wiki on mobile sounds like torture

[shut pagoda]

It may not be a great fix but its a fix split each collum into a section and stack them vertically

[halcyon mesa]

It could be possible if I split the image into 3 that is true

But it would be a bit weird on certain screen ratios and it would take up a massive space too

[shut pagoda]

True

Which is why i said its not a great fix

Could you split it into 3 and then have a thing that opens each section up

So you have a general, camera, and world button

[halcyon mesa]

I might make a collapsed image or just remove it as a whole
Could also try to find a way for the image to adapt in size depending on the screen res

I think the latter option is not possible but who knows

[shut pagoda]

I think having the image is good so getting rid of it may not be great

[halcyon mesa]

Problem is like lets say the screen ratio forces there to be 2 columns on row one and one column on row 2, which would look kinda weird

[shut pagoda]

True

[halcyon mesa]

Maybe if I make a double collapsible that collapses a small image and expands a collapsed big image on the same click

To simulate a expand image function, which isn't normally possible on the wiki

[shut pagoda]

I haven't tried to mess with buttons yet on the wiki so i cant offer advice on that

[lofty pendant]

It should be, it's how it's done everywhere

[halcyon mesa]

I thought it's fixed to the resolution of the image, I did put a res of like 450px cuz it was very small, would that be the issue?

[lofty pendant]

I would have to check the syntax of the default template, but at least from the css side it should be possible to set max-width: 90vw

[halcyon mesa]

Issue with max-width would be that it'd be also set on desktop mode making it too small, if i didn't set a fixed width would the size of the image adapt to the resolution of the device?

Cuz if that's the case I'd probably be able to upscale the file and not have to put a fixed width value
Hoping that doing so wouldn't increase the storage the image takes since it should just be duplicate pixels

[lofty pendant]

In css you can wrap it in a media query that only enables it for thin resolutions (phone). Also, 90vw means 90% of the width of the screen

[halcyon mesa]

Ooh

I'll try max width, hope it works cuz idk anything about CSS

[low helm]

I do!

[halcyon mesa]

fps warning is awful :p

i cant get rid of it no matter what i do, and no i cant take a f8 screenshot cuz i need this res

[pine leaf]

watermark

[low helm]

Didnt even see that

Watermark gone

[halcyon mesa]

Wha-

[delicate isle]

whats this for?

[halcyon mesa]

The graphics wiki page

[delicate isle]

ah

[valid osprey]

New page for filmmaking, there is some more stuff to come from me but I just needed the basis up

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Filmmaking

[low helm]

Very cool

Its difficult to film by myself, otherwise i'd do it more often

[delicate isle]

I found that depth of field and player following having the same binds (x is used by both) is really annoying

[delicate isle]

I forgot which exactly (I think it was focus distance) but dof settings could use more precision too

[delicate isle]

updated:

• Bye bye "Reply gifs"
• added Ctrl+U / Hide user interface section
• Has is now Have

[delicate isle]

movement speed as well. also it seems follow player strength is a scroll wheel bind but overlapping with movement speed scrolling

I was thinking of doing slow cinematic camera movements but I found that 1.0 movement speed is still too fast. another thing, I find the smoothing on camera movements and rotation very annoying especially with high movement speed

[valid osprey]

Sounds like a suitable discussion for not here :p

[delicate isle]

yeah, saw filmmaking and cinematic camera and remembered all my hatred for it

[valid osprey]

I joked about in a private channel that the burden of you helping me is immense. But, just wanna reach out and say I highly appreciate your help 🙂

I am ass at writing; but I have the motivation.

[delicate isle]

haha cheers

[mental venture]

dang maybe i should just read through the entire thing and look for mistakes

[halcyon mesa]

personally for Replay Gifs i would type it like this

The hotkey F6 saves a replay of the last 8-10 seconds in a GIF format, which can be located at <i>C:\Users%UserName%\Documents\TrailMakers\Replay Gifs</i>.

Note that when saving a Gif you will not be able to use F6 until it has finished doing so, replays are not being recorded while one is being saved, this means that if you save a replay right after the previous was saved it will only record from the moment the last one finished saving.

i should jus add it myself tbh

[halcyon mesa]

is this too much?

also i would suggest to change the name of the wiki page from Flimmaking to FilmMakers

[valid osprey]

%USERPROFILE% Automatically resolves on Windows, hence why I wrote it like that

But yes, I think it looks good the rest

[halcyon mesa]

i updated the wiki u should check it

also yea ill change it to that

[low helm]

technically consoles can also take 4k screenshots. At least new gen can.

[pine leaf]

did the loot table for the metal scrap get changed? i'm getting more pulse crystals and seemingly no mechanical parts (or i'm very unlucky, will update if i find one)

[halcyon mesa]

but is it an in-game tool

[low helm]

I mean not really?

You can still take 4k screenshots tho

[halcyon mesa]

yea, but honestly i dont think for making films screenshots are really all that useful

[low helm]

You can record the last few minutes of gameplay too

[delicate isle]

should the 4 missing topics in modding be ported from atlassian docs?

[lofty pendant]

Yeah

[delicate isle]

to access old docs:
https://flashbulb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TMMOD/pages/218497048/API+Overview#Topics

will work on some rn

nvm i don't have permission to create pages

nvm pt2 im not signed in

[delicate isle]

audio should be live- audio event list is also up to date
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Audio

[delicate isle]

all missing topics in modding are ported from atlassian docs- some with more potentially incorrect formatting than others

my favorite has to be ModStructure

[low helm]

@valid osprey heya Frans.

About this interactive map... how do i begin? Im assuming i should make a new page for the map

Or i could stick it on the actual stranded page

[tidal atlas]

I'd say experiment with it in the testing ground and when it's working the maps pages could possibly be updated to be a single page with tabbs for each map. With the ones that need an interactive map having one and the ones that don't could just have the static image that the current pages have

[low helm]

getting somewhere

[low helm]

Need to add these

[low helm]

@tidal atlas is this alright? Redid the entire map page.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Maps

the campaign maps will all be interactive maps. i feel like thats the best way to go about that

so there will be standard images for sandbox, and interactive maps for campaign

[lofty pendant]

looks good

[low helm]

Ty!

[lofty pendant]

not sure if it's a me issue, but ctrl+scroll doesn't zoom despite having a message saying it does (it just scrolls the entire page)

[low helm]

Zooms for me

[tidal atlas]

hell yeah! It's all working for me

[low helm]

i added all the salvage drones.

[tidal atlas]

one thing that could be done to organize it a bit more is to have tabs in tabs, so it doesn't display a campaign map, a sandbox map and an others map at the same time

[low helm]

idk how to do that so i might leave that to you if thats ok?

or is it literally just adding another tabber inside a tabber

[tidal atlas]

ye, that's ok. But just so you know, it is literally just adding a tabber inside the parent tabber

[low helm]

ye I understand what u mean now. i can do that rn

also, how much salvage scrap is there? imma have to write out each one and put its lat/lon

(and the gold. i thought i might as well do gold too.)

wait how do i add a tabber inside another one?

[tidal atlas]

where you would put the text or stuff inside a tab, place a tabber instead

[lofty pendant]

probably

<tabber>
|-| name=
<tabber>
|-| nested
</tabber>
</tabber>

[tidal atlas]

not sure, haven't done stranded in a long time

[low helm]

tried that but its writing it as content rather than making a tabber

[tidal atlas]

strange

make sure you wrote the tabber correctly, I tend to write it wrong sometimes. might as well check

[low helm]

or do i need to write nested

[lofty pendant]

iirc ~160

[low helm]

thats a lot

ok i think i got it. i had to write {{#tag:tabber|Pioneers}}

[tidal atlas]

ye I looked and saw that. Weird though, I remember doing it just as is

[low helm]

okay i've nested the tabs

[low helm]

the lava area is done.

[low helm]

Trailmakers - Stranded Interactive Map (WIP)

[delicate isle]

@low helm they are called Recovery Drones

and also Salvage

and also the gold are called Gold Pickups

in order:

• Recovery Drone
• Salvage
• ✅ Power Core
• Gold Pickup

[low helm]

👍

Done

[delicate isle]

im still blind btw

[low helm]

Yes. I don't think i can change the colours. I think thats a thing only admins can change in the Vector file

[lofty pendant]

fixed, now pray it hasn't broken anything

could probably make the theme integrate better with the rest of the wiki's theme instead of always being black text on white background, might attempt that tomorrow

[valid osprey]

this be cray cray

[halcyon mesa]

wait u need to do something special, lemme look it up

|-|Tabber One= 
{{#tag:tabber|1=
Content 1

{{!}}-{{!}}2=
Content 2

{{!}}-{{!}}3=
Et cetera.

}}
|-|Tabber Two=
{{#tag:tabber|4=
Content 4

{{!}}-{{!}}5=
Content 5

{{!}}-{{!}}6=
Et cetera.

}}
</tabber>```

[low helm]

Yeah i already did it

[lofty pendant]

got this (mostly) working

[low helm]

Lovely

[delicate isle]

eurostile font would be a nice to have, makes it feel more trailmakers like

[pine leaf]

random thing but i fixed the https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Dethrone_Island page like 2 days ago because when i made it the first time, i didn't actually know how dethrone worked so the description was completely wrong

not sure about the new format tho

[delicate isle]

i didn't actually know how dethrone worked
CRAZY WORK

It takes a player 1:30 (one minute and thirty seconds) of crown holding time to win the round
1:40 to win.

While holding the crown, players are unable to leave the seat, repair / redirect, and enter the builder.
realign*

[pine leaf]

alright

done

to be fair, i don't even know how to start a game of dethrone so...

btw did you read the original dethrone page lol

[delicate isle]

https://tenor.com/view/boneka-ambalabu-gif-18012635810599145226

[delicate isle]

no

[pine leaf]

btw, the line on the original version read "as the name suggests, you play King of the Hill on this capture point" talking about the center circle 😭

not sure how i correlated dethrone to king of the hill

[delicate isle]

its literally called king of the hill via the audioids

[pine leaf]

oh

[delicate isle]

and the crown prefab too

[low helm]

I think the goal is to have all of the maps on the "Maps" page. I did a whole redesign of it to allow for it. I think it would be better than to have each page separate

Though for now its good 👍🏻

[pine leaf]

neat

[low helm]

I was debating whether to call it King of the Hill or Dethrone on the maps page lol

Kept it to Dethrone bc thats the map name

[lofty pendant]

king of the hill is only the internal name, so there is no good reason to use it. Same reason why dragon engines are called dragon engines instead of ninja engines

[valid osprey]

This 🙂

[pine leaf]

that's the internal name for dragon jets? the hell?

that's one interesting piece of trivia you can put in the dragon jet section ig

[tidal atlas]

In case you are interested the bulldawg is called basic engine

[tidal atlas]

Here's a pic with some internal names. most of them are pretty similar but there are some funny ones

[halcyon mesa]

reeferseat?

[delicate isle]

olschool is raw engine too

crazy writing ngl

i think dethrone (gamemode) should be its own section ngl

[halcyon mesa]

Or just make a section for gamemodes

[delicate isle]

eh, theres really only sandbox, Dethrone, racing, campaign
and only Dethrone can really be explained in detail

[halcyon mesa]

And peaceful campaign

[low helm]

I think we're gunna get rid of all the map pages and keep it to one single page with everything on it

I just haven't moved all the info across bc imma leave that to Lukkram or Alva

pretty cool feature with the map tbh. (i need to add more)

[delicate isle]

peak cheating

[low helm]

real

there is a warning on the page so

is it worth making interactive maps for the other 2 campaigns

[delicate isle]

i mean you might as well, would be weird to only have it for stranded

[low helm]

like locations of gold or npc side quests

not really much i can do for the airborne one

[delicate isle]

location names (e.g. Skylands), POIs (chirpo town things, etc...)

[low helm]

but i will finish the stranded one forst

"forst"

[delicate isle]

actually can you add the location names to stranded too, i like them and it helps give a sense of "yeah im over at brownwood" instead of "im over somewhere here there maybe"

[low helm]

i'll see. i could probably give the Recovery Drones names for the locations

(if i cant add text that is)

[delicate isle]

well cant you just do what you did for recovery drones or make it a picture if you cant just add text (this isnt ideal for translation)

[low helm]

i mean i could-

what would the pictures be though

[delicate isle]

pictures that are just text (e.g. instead of the salvage icon its text that says "Brownwood")

[low helm]

i mean, pins work

[delicate isle]

i suppose

[low helm]

could you ss the locations?

[delicate isle]

sigh fine

starter island

top right grass area

mud area

island belt

volcano island

[delicate isle]

VIP seat

[low helm]

tada

[delicate isle]

ehhh but its the best you can do i imagine

[low helm]

i mean it doesnt look that bad tbf.

[delicate isle]

looks out of place

[low helm]

i can shrink them if thats any better

and change the colour

gimme a good HEX value for the colour

[delicate isle]

honestly i dont really think its color thats the issue but ill get the text color for the place names

do yellow fill with black outline maybe

[low helm]

pin colour is only 1 hex value

cant have 2

i can change it to a marker hang on

[delicate isle]

#ffcd2a

[low helm]

a lot better

i think anyway

okay so with the search feature you can actually search for POIs.

say you told me where the tubes are, on Pine Island. i can search Pine Island and it takes me there

pretty neat

[delicate isle]

lowk can you make the yellow a bit brighter, it blends in with the recovery drones

[low helm]

aight

[delicate isle]

maybe #ffde73

[low helm]

hows this

[delicate isle]

d9bd62?

yellow is a bit too neon now lol

also i feel like thats missing 2/3rds of the salvage

and wheres da sky islandss

[low helm]

yes, i know.

[low helm]

don't think they're actually on the map

[delicate isle]

not on the ingame one

[low helm]

i feel like this is good

[delicate isle]

sure
but i feel like something is missing-

dethrone ingame tutorial

crown holder is called kings, and you "claim" the crown

[low helm]

uh huh

[delicate isle]

saving that for later btw

[low helm]

what

[delicate isle]

im editing the dethrone island page with better details

[low helm]

ah

[delicate isle]

i finished editing the dethrone page

[pine leaf]

i have no clue how to introduce it, it was gonna be something about minigame but i decided not

[delicate isle]

dont worry i mostly fixed it

[pine leaf]

thanks

[upbeat marsh]

if you could help me understand how to make interactive maps too i already have everything ready for danger zone at the least and icos and markers png's all ready too

[valid osprey]

You all doing such fucking cool job. I really love to see you all working together

Have a double 2x XP on your Wiki Contributor roles

[upbeat marsh]

double xp on what?

[valid osprey]

Imaginative point system

I just don't have anything else to offer than my blessing

[low helm]

This is what a community should be 🙏

[low helm]

You can take a peak at the interactive map code for stranded if u want.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Map:Stranded

All interactive maps are made in a "Map:" page

[upbeat marsh]

yeah no im not that into coding yet imma need you to break it down

[lofty pendant]

It's essentially a json config, you don't actually need to code anything

[upbeat marsh]

jesus i did javascript in school i already forgot everything

[lofty pendant]

You can copy/paste the stranded map json and modify the data, it's fairly self explanatory

[upbeat marsh]

Yesyes, will try and f around with it a bit when i get home

[upbeat marsh]

so uuuhhh i wanna start working on the danger zone map and found this lukkram's message #1225368357398642750 message about being able to experiment in "the testing ground", where is said page?

nevermind i found it im just blind

[tidal atlas]

Xd

[upbeat marsh]

FINALLY finished the danger zone interactive map, let me know what you think and if i have to adjust anything

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Map:DangerZone

think it came out quite wonderfully considering i havent ever touched javascript before

[delicate isle]

fire

[upbeat marsh]

[lofty pendant]

waypoint => spawnpoint would probably make more sense

[low helm]

I should really finish the stranded map

[delicate isle]

hey I noticed only 1/3rd of the salvage on the map /j

[upbeat marsh]

waypoint mishap fixed, am i greenlit to link it to the map page?

[lofty pendant]

Yeah

[delicate isle]

should glyphs in the modding api (<sprite index=*N*>) be in their own page, or under PlayerUI?

or perhaps should they be under a greater rich-text-tags page?

[lofty pendant]

i would say make a rich-text-tags subsection in PlayerUI

[valid osprey]

TerrorSoul made a new page the other day with names
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Sprite_Icons

Could make something similiar to Spawnables with pictures for each - as in an extra column :p
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[delicate isle]

high seas is just completely missing from https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Maps ?

i see that https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/images/1/10/High_seas_no_waypoints.png?718d56=&format=original has the wind lines, but nowadays those are missing?

theres also no salvage or checkpoints? how do you do that

[upbeat marsh]

Ill see about making it interactive like stranded or danger zone but its a fucking chore so i might take a long time

[low helm]

Uh huh

[upbeat marsh]

What

[low helm]

I was agreeing

I still need to finish the Stranded map

But i cant be bothered to sit and write out all locations for scrap

[upbeat marsh]

ON GOD

i did it for just waypoints and pois i cant imagine doing it for scrap

[low helm]

I stopped at like 50 scrap and theres like 149

[delicate isle]

peak

[smoky wind]

I did a thing because the old decal image thing i did was ugly

[valid osprey]

Nice!!!

[delicate isle]

whats the story behind the java programmer status?

[smoky wind]

It took me too long to figure out tabbers

[valid osprey]

i haven't touched them yet, but from the looks of it they are quite fiddely 🙂

[smoky wind]

If i make the DLC decal section could i get wiki contributor on this account too

[smoky wind]

I will actually upload the images later but idk what i will do for that as i dont own all the dlc decals to get photos of them without things looking bad

[smoky wind]

I did it

I wonder if its enough to get wiki contributor roll... again

[shut yew]

again?

[smoky wind]

I have a different account @shut pagoda however cant actually use it for reasons so again

[shut yew]

boop

[smoky wind]

Yay

[shut yew]

You lost access to your old acc?

[frosty plank]

Can I edit the wiki or should I wait till i get permission?

[lofty pendant]

anybody can edit the wiki

[lone knot]

i changed the salvage count (to be correct) and added a sentence about the gold/credit drops around the map. https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Stranded the first section of the page

[novel orchid]

2 seconds later :
so we added lua screenshot request support

also wheres dethrone on the sandbox gamemodes

i dont-

oh its hidden somwhere on the text on multiplayer, thats not exactly easy to spot

we ought to update Multiplayer to show Deathmatch and Dethrone

if only i was any good at wiki editing id sign up to complete all of these

[valid osprey]

not that hard honestly! it has some quirks but you can quickly figure out the system by editing other pages and just see how they do stuff

[novel orchid]

I mean yea thats what i also tend to do when i adjust websites that dont exactly are pleasing to my eyes but im talking like adding new pages etc, knowing how html js and css is structured itll be difficult to keep track (especially when im still searching for a code editor that doesnt take 5 buissnessdays to update its frame, curse you microsoft studio)

[frosty plank]

you dont use html, js neither css to edit the wiki. it uses wikitext

[slender dove]

can someone with the perms delete https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Hinge_Glitch_(disambiguation)?redirect=no seeing as there is only one hinge glitch now?

[lofty pendant]

There are still 2, the thrust one should be kept for historical purposes

[slender dove]

I feel like it would make more sense to list it under "splitter engine", now that the only currently functional "hinge glitch" is the weld phasing. Obviously adding a section to the "hinge glitch" page with a link to the "splitter engine" page.

[lofty pendant]

again, it makes more sense to keep it as is due to historical reasons. It being fixed doesn't mean its name has changed.

[slender dove]

but it does mean from now on, when referencing "hinge glitch", the majority of players will be refering to Hinge/piston Glitch.

[lofty pendant]

doesn't matter. The name is still the same and there will always be confussion, which is why there is a disambiguation page

[desert cipher]

#general-trailmakers message hinge glitch/splitter engine is back