General Wiki Discussion

[restive stag]

great

[low helm]

Added Controller Keybinds for Gameplay & edited the text to make the controls more readable.

@restive stag

[restive stag]

now we have to do the only thing that's left

[low helm]

oh god

[restive stag]

F

lets take a tiny break

like 10 minutes

[lofty pendant]

you are missing r+[1/2/3/4] to actually transform

[restive stag]

the best part is that i am the one who wrote them and cosmic is getting all the blame

[low helm]

:(

lol

[low helm]

FIX IT

[restive stag]

uhhh

ok

im doing it

fixed it

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Shortcuts_%26_Controls

finished keybinds

except camera mode

[low helm]

Added the cinematic camera keybind table in the Shortcut & Controls page

[restive stag]

adding the PC ones

(should have pinged me ngl)

[low helm]

My bad bruh

I pinged u now

You're welcome

[restive stag]

tank you

also finishing camera section

[restive stag]

is it a good idea to add a screenshot too?

[low helm]

Screenshot of.... what exactly?

[low helm]

Ah

[restive stag]

can you get one too?

if not i can do it

but just xbox controls

[low helm]

Can't rn, you'd have to wait like 9 hours

[restive stag]

i can do it i think

thanks either way

[low helm]

Yw lol

[restive stag]

ayayay

guess what

my suffering has finished

maybe i can even help the out console section

we getting close

[hybrid helm]

Send link and I’ll add ps controls

[restive stag]

OH MY GOD

[hybrid helm]

Nvm

[restive stag]

man i just finished

like 5 seconds ago

top 10 timings on history

is cosmic gonna be mad i finished the camera section without help for controller?

[heavy hawk]

how do I make edits to the wiki?

[heavy hawk]

oh

ty

[restive stag]

you need to be logged in tho

[heavy hawk]

ahh

do they spam with emails?

[restive stag]

dont need an email

[heavy hawk]

oh nice

[restive stag]

actually, you dont even need to verify

[heavy hawk]

yippee!

[restive stag]

i have been editing since yesterday and just now i realized i did not verify the email i put in

[heavy hawk]

oh

[tidal atlas]

Either way they don't, basically the only time you get emailed is when the watch this page thingy is checked and someone edits that page

[heavy hawk]

thats good

[dense sapphire]

If you're gonna append 'key' to some of the keybinds, I would say either do it to none of them or all of them.
Having just some of them formatted as "#-key" isn't consistent.

I would also suggest moving the function (i.e. what you're looking up how to do) to the front & splitting the controllers into separate colums for better readability.

[low helm]

Naa

You just dont have PS included

[restive stag]

i do

[low helm]

Dont see it

[restive stag]

is you blind

[low helm]

No im cosmic

[restive stag]

hi cosmic, im dad

[low helm]

Now i see it

[restive stag]

idk how you didnt

[low helm]

Bc it was blurry

[restive stag]

ah

makes sense

low quality ahh pic

[pine leaf]

ah so that's what the watch page does

[thin plank]

Remember formal grammar here. Like capital letters at the beginning of a new sentence 🙂

In this case I would write:
"Right Stick Press"
"Left Stick" etc

[halcyon mesa]

someone give Johannes wiki contributor 🗣️ 🗣️

[halcyon mesa]

same for company names, e.g. Xbox and PlayStation

[shut yew]

Waiting on lukkram to delete some images

[pine leaf]

it would be nice if i knew how to use .'s properly, skill issue on mu part tbh

[thin plank]

It's possessive used to tie a noun to a person.

I.e. "this is my dad's car"
"Kuncreong's new color is awesome"

[lofty pendant]

unless the person ends in s, in which case the one after the ' is omitted

[thin plank]

It's put at the end right? Like "Johannes' bike" or maybe I am wrong.

But writing this sentence I also remembered 's at the end of "It" if it is a contraction of "It is"

[lofty pendant]

yeah, it's omitted to avoid writing [...]s's

[thin plank]

Yeah but only the s is omitted, I am pretty sure you still throw the apostrophe on

[lofty pendant]

yeah, only the s after the ' is omitted

[halcyon mesa]

its like you directly delete the last s
Johan's
Johannes's

[thin plank]

Yes exactly. Also *It's 😛

[halcyon mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1136663280518180974/1206603186979471421/attachment.gif

this is nawt the wiki

[sudden egret]

putting ' at the end of a word with an s is correct for use in ownership
for use in contraction ending with s, it seems like it should be s's to me (like his has becomes his's) (as I can't find anything against it and mostly sounds right saying it)

[thin plank]

putting ' at the end of a word with an s is correct for use in ownership
for use in contraction ending with s, it seems like it should be s's to me (like his has becomes his's) (as I can't find anything against it and mostly sounds right saying it) deez nuts

[sudden egret]

Johannes's made a deez nuts joke

[dense sapphire]

Ross's Game Dungeon had a rant about it at some point.
Apparently s's isn't wrong / is even correct for signaling ownership depending on what style guide you use

[thin plank]

In Ross we trust

[drifting aspen]

i thought that was joe

[low helm]

I use grammar. :)

[pine leaf]

ok, also sorry for accidentally filling this channel about grammar for a sec lol

[thin plank]

No worries, I do think it's important as I see a few pages on the wiki slacking a bit

[restive stag]

ok

[restive stag]

joe mama?

[drifting aspen]

yep

[halcyon mesa]

is there any controls page

for keybinds and such

[restive stag]

is bro just disregarding the page i worked on with cosmic for 2 whole days

AFTER complaining about it

[halcyon mesa]

what is the name

im not disregarding it wtf

[shut yew]

Think I'm done with updates for now, Wiki.gg is a bit of a pain for layouts

[low helm]

Shortcuts & Controls

[low helm]

Grammatically corrected the cinematic camera controls in Shortcuts & Controls.

[halcyon mesa]

is there a term for the Build Mode Centre Arrow

and if there isnt, is it fine to abreviate it to BMCA

[halcyon mesa]

optimized Mirror Mode section and fixed some mistakes in Aerodynamics in Building tools

oh no, it tells me im logged out

im scared of losing any changes i have saved

copied it on discord and applied it all back

[hybrid helm]

Added high seas to the maps page

[pine leaf]

awesome

[hybrid helm]

Added airborne

[pine leaf]

damn

[drifting aspen]

Splendid, I also photographed the whole map

[hybrid helm]

Can you upload the pictures? Xeno is slacking

[drifting aspen]

I did, I'll try find the message

#1225368357398642750 message here

[hybrid helm]

Will add those

[drifting aspen]

Alright, good luck

[hybrid helm]

Confusing as hell I’ll try tomorrow

[heavy hawk]

where should I put the block prices?

Im thinking in other

or should it be its own thing?

im gonna do own thing

WAIT

but can I?

idk how coding works

Ill put it in about and if the page breaks Im sorry 🙏

9okay I did something :3

I did stuff in exhaust page

:)

[halcyon mesa]

Saying costs looks repetitive, maybe "Cost: X credits" would be better

[heavy hawk]

true true

[pine leaf]

alternatively, call them coins

[heavy hawk]

In the tm build menu when you hover over them theyre called credits.

[dense sapphire]

Credits is always a safe bet in games

[heavy hawk]

Hey i have the funny colour

[halcyon mesa]

One of us °^°

[drifting aspen]

welcome to the team

[tidal atlas]

Once one of us, you can never go back... you now have a purpose to fulfill. To provide information to the realm and beyond!!!

[shut yew]

I'd like the fancy role icon but I dont want to sacrifice my precious pink colour

[heavy hawk]

I would love to have that
pwetty pink color

[heavy hawk]

Yes sir!

[pine leaf]

fair enough, though i wanted blue and i got blue so im happy

[sudden egret]

I wanted to edit wiki, but then I got blue, and I sacrificed ever changing (until 5 years) role colours

[pine leaf]

at least its a nice color though

[heavy hawk]

I like the pastel blue too

[sudden egret]

[tidal atlas]

It is a nice color

[thin plank]

do you even stream

Nice, start here #1225350459577860117 message

[thin plank]

I can remove it if you don't want it

[sudden egret]

free role so nah

[halcyon mesa]

i wanted to help on the wiki and then after some changes i found my role name changed

[pine leaf]

and i was bored ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[halcyon mesa]

same

[low helm]

I like my role

[drifting aspen]

Same

[hybrid helm]

Same

[silk python]

Same

[valid osprey]

There are a few pages I find VERY related to each other and I am not sure if they deserve they own page.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Building
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Building_Tools

And maybbeee
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/How_to_play_guide_for_Trailmakers
But How to play guide could become a great place for "general tips" I guess 🙂

[pine leaf]

i mean thats....
i dont know

[valid osprey]

I mean it is a personal preference for me to have more things on one page so you can Ctrl+F (Search) around on that page for the related information. And ensuring that people GET to those links are reduced.

[pine leaf]

very fair

[halcyon mesa]

building and how to play guide for trailmakers is like the same thing

cuz the only way to play tm is to make a build (unless you take from the workshop but who does that)

[low helm]

Even then you have to open the builder to spawn it

[halcyon mesa]

real

idk if a "How to play guide for Trailmakers" should be an appropiate stud for the wiki

im checking the guide and its already showing parts from the controls stud cmdr and erby were working on

wha

what is this...

we should get a votation to get this stud removed or not, @valid osprey can i do a poll for this or is it against any rules

[valid osprey]

No opinion what so ever on that regard 🙂
I think re-writing could also be good.

[halcyon mesa]

i just think like a "how to play guide" shouldnt really be here since its a sandbox, you decide your way of playing and overtaking obstacles

there shouldnt really be a fixed way to play the game

[valid osprey]

Looks like trips and tricks, not rules though?

[halcyon mesa]

then it would be "tips and tricks" not "how to play guide"?

[valid osprey]

ah is that the page name?

[halcyon mesa]

maybe changing the name of the stud would be good

[valid osprey]

Ah yeah okey. I mean it is a little pedantic, but I agree with you. Could be a simple renaming (or merging with "Building" page) would be sufficient

[halcyon mesa]

agreed

oh yea tips and tricks can def fit np on the building stud

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Building this stud has some potential, way more than "How to play guide for Trailmakers" has

[halcyon mesa]

modified the forces section in building tools, does need some polishing

[pine leaf]

nice

i did something

[pine leaf]

terrorsoul deserves the role because this

[halcyon mesa]

But he said he didnt want it

[pine leaf]

oh ok

[shut yew]

The css thing was an experiment, didn't realise how restrictive wiki.gg is in regards to html

[pine leaf]

damn, that was one hell of an experiment

[shut yew]

It was, it was starting to look nice aswell 😦

[pine leaf]

massive might be an overstatement

[shut yew]

Spent more time than I care to admit on this for wiki.gg to be restrictive to the point of not allowing it

[pine leaf]

whoaw

[low helm]

Spelt whether wrong

Still good tho

[prisma schooner]

I'VE BEEN USING ELSE**'**S WRONG MY ENTIRE LIFE?

[low helm]

What

[prisma schooner]

Ive been spelling it elses

For 14 years

No one ever corrected me

[halcyon mesa]

elses

[low helm]

How did you used to spell it?

[prisma schooner]

Elses

[low helm]

Im confused

[prisma schooner]

"The only correct possessive form is “else’s.” “Else” is part of a singular compound noun, regardless of the word before it. That means “someone else’s hobby,” “anyone else’s friend,” and “everyone else’s wish” are all correct. “Else’s” is the only correct form. “Elses” is incorrect."

[low helm]

Right i see it now

[prisma schooner]

Ive been in school for years and no one told me thats crazy

[halcyon mesa]

who has that

[low helm]

Who uses autocorrect

If i misspell something, that just a skissue

[prisma schooner]

Elses: ❌❌🚫👎
Else's: ✅🔥👍🗣️📣‼️💯

[low helm]

Na

[prisma schooner]

I write in 2 languages so no

Also its from the web

[valid osprey]

Been thinking about adding a sort of "News" section to the frontpage? Ex. showing latest steam news or banner for latest update.

How would people feel about that? 🙂

[thin plank]

I would feel thank you

[dense sapphire]

If you can finangle a way to keep it up to date 😅
If not it might end up like the build-challenge thing on console where it's out of date a lot

[valid osprey]

Yeah it is a good point. I'll give it a look out.

[valid osprey]

Think I found a way to get Steam News in there 👀
Just depends on how flexible mediawiki is... Which I'll figure out later today.

EDIT: big maybe not

[low helm]

Can you not fork information from different sites?

That sucks

[valid osprey]

Yes and no. Due to CORS I cannot request another sites information from wiki.gg

[low helm]

Ah

[valid osprey]

I checked up how Project Zomboid wiki do it and they just put in the info manually:
1: Frontpage (https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid_Wiki&action=edit)
2: Blog Post element (https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:News&action=edit)

Only issue is here to have enough people to edit this for future updates.. Luckily it is not that often it has to be changed 🙂

[low helm]

Its only what, 1-2 updates a year?

Apart from bug fixes

[lofty pendant]

does wiki.gg have an API for updating pages programatically? if it does, it might be possible to make a quick script that fetches the content locally and uploads it

[valid osprey]

Not that I am familiar with.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/api.php

Apparently there is !

Found it through here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page

Outside of the scope of what I intended. Regardless here is the Steam News RSS feed for Trailmakers
https://store.steampowered.com/feeds/news/app/585420

Could simple use the latest entry. Get the image. Plug that into.

[halcyon mesa]

for a moment i thought you were a new dev

[low helm]

He is

[sudden egret]

nah there's probably newer people at flashbulb (I've seen devs with 1 month role in the list before)
nohanyes is the newest community manager

[halcyon mesa]

i mean he changed the profile so i didnt recognize him at first

[full shale]

1 month role is mostly due to them having talked since they joined

[sudden egret]

ah ok

[sudden egret]

edited custom assets wiki page to include a few minor things, which I have coloured yellow

[valid osprey]

bless ya

[valid osprey]

More so often I think that actually having individual pages for every block might be beneficial (Rather than having category block with tabs)

Ex. it would be nice to have a full page for Hue Panel, and then being able to add the color spectrum that ALVARO made. Plus some extra info and circuits to loop it, etc.
You would also have the benefit of easy linking and generally adding more info to the specific block.

I understand it would be rather silly to have a full page for ~generic~ frame block or whatever, but It would just make discovery a lot easier.

What do you folks think?

[tidal atlas]

True. Some blocks require a deeper explanation. I guess we could make specific pages for the ones that require it and link to those pages in the broad category thing for the moment

[lofty pendant]

for the discovery, that can be fixed with redirect pages for blocks without a specific page

[halcyon mesa]

Maybe having both, and the general one has a hyperlink to take you to the specific one for more information

[silk python]

updating the logic blocks section, so far I've got the gravity sensor and this added

[silk python]

ah fuck I found a typo lmao

[halcyon mesa]

Arithmetic Logic Gate*

[silk python]

[halcyon mesa]

i wouldnt group them as math blocks, but idk

[silk python]

Alvaro does group them as math blocks in his logic guide though

[lofty pendant]

input is clamped below -1

[silk python]

oh, ok

tactical wiki page update is sent

[halcyon mesa]

oh i see

[low helm]

If anyone is free, i have made zoomed out versions of all 8 maps (excluding rally). Put it on the wiki 😎 If no one can do it then i'll do it later on

I'd do it now but i can't

[upbeat marsh]

If nobodys done it already i might give a shot at makin these interactive

[low helm]

Go for it! Im not the best when it comes to the wiki. I don't know how to do certain things lol

[upbeat marsh]

me neither tbh, but i had this idea for awhile and im willing to try out, thats why i was searching for the maps in the first place actually lol

[low helm]

Haha, well now you have em

[upbeat marsh]

real 🙏

[upbeat marsh]

do i make it without titles and put them as overlay on the interactive map or do i leave the ones that are already there?

leaving the ones that are there already would be easier and faster but they wont look as good as overlay ones and they arent scaleable

[low helm]

You could remove them if u want

I'd say it looks cleaner without them

But i couldnt get rid of them when i screenshotted

[upbeat marsh]

Yeah i had to literally paint over by hand lmao

Worth it tho imo

[low helm]

Haha, yeah

[low helm]

Did u go in and paint pixel by pixel?

[upbeat marsh]

Well with a brush but for smaller details yes

[low helm]

Oof

[upbeat marsh]

Worth it for trailmakers wiki 🙏🙏🙏

Now bed, tomorrow ill hopefully finish airborne and start another one

[thin plank]

This is pretty cool gang

[drifting aspen]

🫶

[upbeat marsh]

guys the danger zone map is ready, still has some improvements that could be done but i unironically worked on it all day so i can think about the smaller stuff tomorrow, suggestions are very welcome. let me know how it looks!

(you can find it under "interactive maps")

[lofty pendant]

that's the wrong wiki

[upbeat marsh]

what

no way

welp

little mistake ig

[lofty pendant]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg is the correct one, fandom is trash

[upbeat marsh]

yeah found it now

ty

[valid osprey]

why did i even start this

[valid osprey]

big f

[low helm]

What is this even for

Lol

[valid osprey]

images of all spawnables objects through modding

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[low helm]

Ah

Bet thats taking a while

Holy crap, 495 parts

[valid osprey]

💀

[low helm]

Good luck man 🙏

[shut yew]

Lmao, that’s exactly why the prefab page didn’t get any further

[valid osprey]

what a dreadful task that should be automated

[shut yew]

You’ll just need to do it during work hours

[valid osprey]

Now there is 65 of them.
Taken with high res, scaled down to 1280px jpeg so they dont murder your pc while loading the page lol

i also fixed so multi image upload now works, for some reason it DEMANDS that you give it a license, so I made a bunch of license options.

I know absolutely nothing of licenses, so feel free to poke me (or another wiki admin) if there should be more???

[shut yew]

I should probably finish the images on the updates page and also add Motorhead

[hybrid helm]

I cannot edit

Was gonna add this to airborne

[sudden egret]

cosmic also has posted one without 2 cursors and players #1225368357398642750 message

[valid osprey]

Had a super weird hyper-focus hour yesterday and did ~450 images of the spawnables 🤷‍♂️

There are a few invisible ones, I think a extra "note" field could be suitable for those.
And otherwise there was a few I got a little confused and lost track of.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[upbeat marsh]

i am working on removing all of them from all maps ill post when i done

if theyre useful atleast

[upbeat marsh]

here are some "clean" maps for whatever they could be used, the missing ones are just crazy and i need more time to clean

[low helm]

Loveleh

[upbeat marsh]

Btw i have absolutely no idea how to make interactive maps on the ACTUAL RIGHT WIKI |||| so if anyone else wanna give it a shot, maps are there lol

[valid osprey]

Did you get an interactive map working on the Fandom page?

[upbeat marsh]

Yeah

Removed it tho

[valid osprey]

Ah would be interesting just to see how it worked.. Just so we could see if it was transferable 🙂

[upbeat marsh]

Would take a sec to put it back up

Just deleted it out of rage yesterday 🤭

Jokes aside i can put back up some parts of it to let u see

Just lmk

[low helm]

Gotten any further with it?

[upbeat marsh]

further with what

[low helm]

The maps?

[upbeat marsh]

i havent put back up the interactive one if thats what youre asking

and as for cleaning i began the last ones, but i left the hardest for last so probably it will take me a couple days to finish

[low helm]

Ah nah, just the maps in general lol

[upbeat marsh]

^^^

[low helm]

Fair enough

[upbeat marsh]

stranded is gonna be a nightmare i dont even wanna think about it yet

[low helm]

All the collection/respawn points

Lol

[upbeat marsh]

exactly

and ||not to brag B)|| with all the cure im putting into actually depicting whats underneath the icon its gonna be even worse with all the little details

[shut yew]

Their was others ways to get a clean map y’know

[upbeat marsh]

Vacuum cleaner?

[valid osprey]

I'm currently doing a quick re-ordering of the maps page.

Thinking of doing a maps page, which then refers to each map and their own page.

Think that will make it all a little easier ❤️

So more like this

I'll add the maps if thats ok with you @upbeat marsh ?

Just image based ones 🙂

[upbeat marsh]

Sure! Why would i mind lmao

[valid osprey]

Just asking for permission!
Guess that also includes @low helm 🙂

[valid osprey]

Okkkjeeyeyyyyy

Now there is overview of maps here
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Maps

And then there is individual maps here
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Sector
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Treasure_Island
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Airborne

Still aaa lloooottttto work in progress. If anyone has any campaign/story descriptions that would be awesome 😄

[drifting aspen]

ill get photos if needed

[valid osprey]

Totally cool!

Especially points of interest.. Fun things to explore 🙂

[drifting aspen]

yessir

[valid osprey]

Maybe just high lights of specific items.. Whatever you feel like 🙂

[hybrid helm]

I still am not able to add images (or edit the wiki) but I’ll get pictures of points of interest on the maps

[drifting aspen]

same here, we can split up if you wish

[valid osprey]

Whats your user name on the wiki?

[hybrid helm]

Should be CorrupToast

Oh wait… was I logged out the entire time

Just started on the danger zone page

Had a good pirates peak pic in my photos so I added it just now

[drifting aspen]

Great job

[valid osprey]

Fixed the layout 🙂

[low helm]

I dont mind! 🤗

[upbeat marsh]

about that....

all poi's in danger zone

and here are all checkpoints

took these when i made the interactive map but we know how that went... ||||

all in 4k bc quality 👍

[low helm]

We like 4k

4k gud

[valid osprey]

I feel very @upbeat marsh today!!!

I'll now smash their quality due to restrictions from wikigg haha 😄 (They still be nice though haha)

[upbeat marsh]

LMAOO

[valid osprey]

But honestly this is awesome :}

Makes me so happy to see people wanna help

[upbeat marsh]

Ofc! Wish i could do more but im not great with site development and stuff like that

[valid osprey]

That's okey! confidence comes later as you fail first! 😉

[hybrid helm]

I’ll get the treasure island poi’s and spawn points

[hybrid helm]

I’ll add these later here’s some Spacebound images

[drifting aspen]

Very good

Ill see if i can get stranded images this week

[valid osprey]

You guys are freaking awesome for this 🙂

Unfortunantly I am absolutely BLASTED with work right now -- but if I find some time i'll help get them in 🙂
Otherwise, if someone wanna take the chance, then you can put it in and I can help if any other issues with layout/formatting

[hybrid helm]

Another set of images

[thin plank]

I check in with this place far too rarely but absolutely amazing work, gang.

[valid osprey]

Bam!

pictures for Danger Zone
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Danger_Zone

And Stranded
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Stranded

[upbeat marsh]

talking about stranded, if u want theres the cleaned map, just finished it

[low helm]

😱

[valid osprey]

.tmwiki stranded

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=stranded

[valid osprey]

Updated it to the no-waypoint map 🙂

[slender dove]

Just wrote
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Hinge_glitch
, how do I get the wiki contributor role?

[valid osprey]

@slender dove bam there

[slender dove]

Thank you

[lofty pendant]

that's piston glitch

[sudden egret]

is it really fair to refer to the intersection of directly connected weldgroups by the name of any mechanical block specifically in the first place?

it happens with all mechanical blocks, so why only refer to it as the piston/hinge/servo, ect. glitch, I mean sure it's used mostly with pistons/hinges but it does find its uses in other mechanical blocks as well

[lofty pendant]

it's piston glitch because it's what it was originally used with and the most common way to do it

[dense sapphire]

Hinge glitch is commonly referring to the speed- / force producing glitch (aka splitter engine).

Calling it "hinge merging" would probably better

[lofty pendant]

i renamed it to piston glitch since there was no page about it yet

[rustic night]

Really thinking about making a page about submarines as vehicles

[lofty pendant]

why?

[rustic night]

Just noticed that there isn't a page for vehicles

[rustic night]

Better to have one than to not have one, it would help a lot with basics and stuff

At least for newbies

[lofty pendant]

i just don't see what useful information could it have

[rustic night]

There's a lot

How control surfaces interact with water, weight balancing, how to make a submarine go straight, torpedoes

There's A LOT of things

[lofty pendant]

most of that is the same as planes though

[rustic night]

They are not

Control surfaces behave very differently underwater

[slender dove]

Renamed it to "hinge/piston glitch"

[lofty pendant]

i would personally see a general page about vehicles with subsections for vehicle type specific information being better

[rustic night]

Elevator for example can't open as fast as they do in the air

[lofty pendant]

hinge glitch is a different thing

[rustic night]

Would be better

[slender dove]

What?

[lofty pendant]

hinge glitch is a glitch to exploit phantom forces to create thrust, as indicated already by sareth

[slender dove]

Everyone in the hinge replica and even customs community refers to "Hinge merging" as hinge glitch

[slender dove]

(People that use the glitch)

[lofty pendant]

the terms were established before. People conflating terms because they don't know the terminology that was already in place is a different issue

piston and hinge glitches have been established at least since 2021

[slender dove]

Show me an example of what you call "Hinge glitch"

[lofty pendant]

#clips-and-screenshots message

[slender dove]

Is that not just a splitter engine?

[lofty pendant]

"splitter engine" is again people conflating terms. That's been called hinge glitch for way longer, recently people who didn't know that just decided to start calling it that

[dense sapphire]

splitter engine as a term is also just coined by a single YT afaik. Hinge glitch is the general term

[slender dove]

Who?

[dense sapphire]

Storm iirc

[lofty pendant]

#clips-and-screenshots message source of "hinge glitch" being used already in 2021

[dense sapphire]

also I never see the replica crowd relate "hinge glitching" to the weldgroup merging use tbh. Atleast not the long-time established builders.
they just call it "using hinges" / "merging" / "glitching"

[slender dove]

#clips-and-screenshots message

The FIRST use of "Hinge glitching" in clips and screenshots

[lofty pendant]

that was ~1 year after the release of the game. Iirc piston glitch wasn't discovered much earlier than that, so essentially there were no established names for most glitches. Only one with one was UFO engine iirc, because it was discovered shortly after the release

[slender dove]

Still, "hinge glitch" was established as the hinge alternative to piston glitch before the "origional" name for splitter engines

Besides, splitter engine is just generally a better name

Like it pairs well with UFO engine

[lofty pendant]

the stablished terms nowadays are piston glitch for clipping blocks and hinge glitch for using phantom forces to create thrust

[lofty pendant]

it's not, because it doesn't explain anything, neither about how it works nor how it's used in practice

[lofty pendant]

it wasn't established though, a single person used it and the piston glitch ended up becoming the established name

[slender dove]

How about we search "how to hinge glitch in trailmakers, and whatever the first result is gets the name?

[lofty pendant]

if you mean in youtube, that's pointless

[dense sapphire]

thats... not how anything works

the issue is, the crowd who uses hinge merging and the crowd who uses the hinge glitch for speed basically never mix. so there's basically no communication that would've led to a disambiguation.

[slender dove]

Storm is a member of the speed comunity, he uses "splitter engine"

[slender dove]

How so?

[dense sapphire]

he's basically the only one, and only because he's trying to brand it as "his" thing

[lofty pendant]

piston glitch was also the established name for merging blocks before newer players came to the game and made up their own names due to not knowing the previously stablished terms (which is understandable, most players aren't in this server and the previous wiki was unmaintained since mid 2018)

[slender dove]

It should be the majority of players that decides, not like 20 people that have played the game for a long time

[dense sapphire]

that by default rules out the discord as well lol.
Because were like <10% of the playerbase as well.

[lofty pendant]

almost none of the active players here/people that have been here for years/that are members of the community have a youtube channel they upload content to. You will get a huge bias towards the opinion of a very small set of people who have barely talked with the wider community about the topic

[dense sapphire]

honestly, just make a disambiguation page that has two links - to the piston glitch and hinge speed glitch pages respectively.

that's how wikipedia does it for stuff like this

[lofty pendant]

not sure if the wiki system we are using has a specific page type for that

[dense sapphire]

could always make it it's own page and just have a textbox also linking the disambiguation page on either article ahead of the table of contents / header

[slender dove]

I had "Piston/hinge glitch"

We could also ad a "Hinge speed glitch" page

[lofty pendant]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Special:DisambiguationPages there appears to be a specific page type for it, but no idea how it works

@tidal atlas do you know how disambiguation pages are used?

[dense sapphire]

(I totally didn't forget Lukkrams display name is currently cursed)

[tidal atlas]

Not entirely sure... I think rn its just as a category to sort by, but who knows

[slender dove]

ALVAROPING

IT WAS FINE HOW IT WAS

[lofty pendant]

i'm organizing it

[slender dove]

I HAD IT ORGANISED!!!

[lofty pendant]

no, you duplicated a page

[slender dove]

Which page?

[lofty pendant]

piston glitch

[slender dove]

I had "piston glitch" link to "piston/hinge glitch"

"Hinge glitch" linked to both "hinge/piston glitch" and "hinge speed glitch"

[lofty pendant]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Hinge_Glitch_(disambiguation) https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Piston_glitch https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Hinge_glitch done, using wikipedia's format

[lofty pendant]

where are templates defined?

[tidal atlas]

they just use the " Template: " namespace

[lofty pendant]

created a new template for easily linking pages to their disambiguation page, like wikipedia does

[tidal atlas]

thx

nicely done

[lofty pendant]

added video examples to piston/hinge glitches

[low helm]

I edited the Dev Diary page and fixed the grammar

[crisp spear]

i fixed the tyres page a while back

[valid osprey]

.tmwiki tyres

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=tyres

[valid osprey]

@crisp spear which page? 😮

ah wait this one https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Wheels spelling lol

[sudden egret]

The Great Carrier Reef page added with what I could gather https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Great_Carrier_Reef

[delicate isle]

custom models added with modding have a maximum of 32767 triangles and potentially 32768 triangles with collisions. someone else please confirm this.

the attached model has 32770 triangles. 3 triangles are removed and 1 of the removed triangles retains its collision.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Wheels
under Hover Block:

Can float vehicle on water , when it moves very fast.
this is when the vehicle is going at or above 20 mph.

[delicate isle]

edited this in, and improved the first paragraph a bit

[valid osprey]

I created a new "patch notes" page

Maybe people up for coordinating? 🙂

.tmwiki Patch Notes

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Patch Notes

[valid osprey]

It is just intended for

# Patch Version
<patchnotes>

And nothing else. Then just a massive list. With latest at top.

[low helm]

Will see if i can do it in a bit. Drinking tea rn

[halcyon mesa]

should i include every patch notes?

[mental venture]

well i made a wiki.gg account. I guess I could write a page on the new map? or the mad science block

[valid osprey]

Give me an second, Ill make 1-2 examples you can base off @halcyon mesa

[mental venture]

the entirety of cosmetic blocks doesnt have a page? Am I missing something?

[halcyon mesa]

i was thinking on making a category for each main update, with hotfixes as a pop up

[valid osprey]

Pop up makes things hard to search imo.

If everything is displayed, then you can quickly search through which is nice imo 🙂

But just my opinion!

[low helm]

Really?

[valid osprey]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Accessories

Loads of things missing

[halcyon mesa]

thats true, and i could just make the pop ups for hyperlinks

[low helm]

Whoever started that page really gave up huh

[valid osprey]

30% of the wiki lmao

[mental venture]

Maybe I should write a bit on some of the items

[valid osprey]

But it is also a lot of work, so makes sense.

[mental venture]

I can vaguely imagine how i'd write the descriptions

[halcyon mesa]

well apparently i didnt remember my password, sent a request to reset it to certain gmail and it didnt arrive, it also says theres a limit of 1 per 24 hours

so i might not be able to even do it today

[low helm]

Imma get up and come help with the wiki. Any pages that need doing? I take it that Larry you're doing accessories, Alice you're doing Patch Notes?

[mental venture]

I have no idea how to write and use the edit interface so I'm gonna watch a couple youtube tutorials and work on the exhausts tab first.

[halcyon mesa]

nvm it apparently sent it to my main gmail instead of my secondary which i set it to

[mental venture]

who made this? It'd be a lot of work to do this for every accessory item

[halcyon mesa]

i think noiro

[low helm]

Ah alr

[mental venture]

a bit overwhelming actually. Do I keep it consistent to the normal blocks tab or just a list? too much to consider

[valid osprey]

Okey did a few updates here now 🙂
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Patch_notes

[valid osprey]

It was @tidal atlas who did the block images I believe 🙂

But think he is very busy lately.

[low helm]

Pedal to the metal had 4 hotfixes? Damn

[halcyon mesa]

i see the latest ones are kinda sorted, such as "general" and "bug fixes" categories, would it make sense to include them on all pages or just copy what the steam post says

[tidal atlas]

It was. Also for the accesories click on the sections. Have to make more obvious that the pics of the categories are buttons. (Haven't gotten around to updating that part of the wiki though)

[halcyon mesa]

also i think it wuold also be helpful to post the link to each steam post

[valid osprey]

Could you post an example of what you mean?

[mental venture]

i guess you could enlarge the entire thing a bit

[halcyon mesa]

• GENERAL

• BUG FIXES

• General

• Bug fixes

but the older ones have just

[tidal atlas]

Ye also probably gonna add an arrow that says click me or something

[mental venture]

oh you made a wiki editor guide awesome sauce

[valid osprey]

Thats because they only have bugfixes, but sure you could add a title if you think thats is needed 🙂

Added Steam News link now

Will have to get back to work now haha :p

[halcyon mesa]

im not sure, on one side itll look simpler, on the other itll be better organized

[valid osprey]

Hope that gives a little to work with.

[valid osprey]

Put in the content first - then you can always change it later ❤️

It is nicer not to be blocked by decisions.

[halcyon mesa]

thats true

lol its impressive how long the bug fixes list is on 1.9

[mental venture]

this is a preview but I noticed the little one-liners about each category of accessories was missing

Figuring out the best place to orient it in

wait this isnt for air intakes this is for exhausts. My mistake

[low helm]

I added the Motorhead pack to the DLC page

[valid osprey]

OOhh terrorsoul also made a bunch of images here
#1246168049288220764 message

Dont know if they are already included

[halcyon mesa]

does anyone know how to make bold text

[valid osprey]

'''like this'''

I can recommend to edit other pages to look at how they do different things

[halcyon mesa]

yea i was doing that before starting

but your template really helped

[valid osprey]

That was the intention 😄

[halcyon mesa]

ack the spelling corrector is american

its telling me to put colour instead of color

[low helm]

color is american

[halcyon mesa]

oops

ah yes 4600 characters

[mental venture]

does anyone know how to change the colour of text?

[halcyon mesa]

took a while but i finally got motorhead done, it is massive

[valid osprey]

Grats! Looks great 🙂

[valid osprey]

Let me see

[halcyon mesa]

ill be doing more just wanted to notify cuz like motorhead is like half the wiki page now

[low helm]

is anyone here in the game rn? can one of y'all tell me all the decal categories?

[mental venture]

i can. gimme a sec

[halcyon mesa]

well the motorhead one is in the patch notes

[low helm]

im re-writing the decal page

[halcyon mesa]

not the name, but at least each decal name

[valid osprey]

<span style="color: red;">red text</span>

Instead of "red" you can also do hex colors, so #ff0000 would also be red.

[halcyon mesa]

hopefully 2.0 is not that big

[low helm]

yeah, i need the category name lol

no one in #general-trailmakers is helping so

[halcyon mesa]

Most people don't wanna help in this kinda stuff

[drifting aspen]

ill try to get it done when im back at my pc

[mental venture]

@low helm
Shapes-"Minimalistic shapes for maximum creativity"
Patterns-"Quickly decorate your vehicle with these big size patterns"
Numbers-"Everything between 0 and 9."
Stickers-"Pick 'em Stick 'em"
Mouths-"Put a smile on your vehicle"
Eyes-"Eyes to bring soul to your creation"
Signs & Symbols-"Everything from warning signs to skulls"
Damage-"To tell the story of what your vehicle has been through."
Racing stripes-"Get that fast look with some speedy racing stripes"

[drifting aspen]

unless you already have the names

[low helm]

godspeed

[halcyon mesa]

Patterns are not that big 🗣️

[drifting aspen]

most of them tile though

[drifting aspen]

so technically most of them can be infinite

[halcyon mesa]

Oh wait, surely there's a size limit for tiling right

[mental venture]

Tech-"Everything from screws to dashboards"
Glow-"Glow up the world!"
Rescue-"Everything you meed for your next rescue mission."
Motorhead Pack-"Motorhead DLC Pack."

[drifting aspen]

good question

[low helm]

🙏 fanks

[mental venture]

Seasonal Events-"Decals unlocked from seasonal events"

there we go

[drifting aspen]

we should give Larry the wiki contributer role

[mental venture]

thanks ❤️

I'd be honored

[drifting aspen]

ill check when im at my pc

[mental venture]

where on this area would be best for the "If you really dont care about the environment" text?

[drifting aspen]

just below the title should be good

[mental venture]

if i can figure out how to work this program

[halcyon mesa]

Try making the biggest shape possible, if you can wide enough to go side to side of the build bubble

[drifting aspen]

thats why i just provide images

[drifting aspen]

Ill do a plane of 4x8s

[halcyon mesa]

I heard the triangle sail is more efficient in size, but I think you could get a larger face with 4x4 wedges, tho more complex

[mental venture]

the editor doesnt show space for anything above the tabbers

[drifting aspen]

its much easier to get a square shape with 4x8s

[low helm]

what keys do you press to position a decal on PC?

arrows?

[drifting aspen]

i think its arrows

[mental venture]

wasd and arrows

click and drag too

[drifting aspen]

on controller its dpad tho

[low helm]

alr

[halcyon mesa]

But if you go diagonal you get a longer shape

[mental venture]

also joysticks

[halcyon mesa]

The click and drag is different tho

[drifting aspen]

2 2x4s together create a square, so ill combine a bunch of squares and measure the area

[halcyon mesa]

When you press wasd or the arrows 4 arrows appear on screen and you move at a constant speed

[drifting aspen]

another thing to note is that the further away from the centre of view, the more warped decals get

[mental venture]

anyone more proficient with this program know how to edit the bit that says "Exhuast accessories"?

[halcyon mesa]

Yea, hopefully they don't get too stretched that the floating point of decals just isn't long enough

[drifting aspen]

yeah

[halcyon mesa]

That's the page name

[mental venture]

above the tabbers and the clickable icons

[halcyon mesa]

Someone with admin perms has to change it I think

[mental venture]

ah

the icons are in a really awkward place rn

[halcyon mesa]

Also is it possible to change the main page? Every time I seen it it seems messy

Specially with all the sections separated into squares

[valid osprey]

Thats admin only; I have the rights and a few others.

Feel free to push some suggestion in here 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

More headers for the main page, and I think the squares on the right are fine, but a lil unnecessary the ones on the main column

[valid osprey]

Maybe you can do a quick photo edit or something so it is a little easier for me to understand what you mean exactly.

[mental venture]

Italics or no?

[halcyon mesa]

Is it in italics ingame?

[mental venture]

i'm thinking italics with quotation marks

[drifting aspen]

no

[halcyon mesa]

Idk

[mental venture]

no, but every other similar one-liners are in italics in the wiki

[drifting aspen]

ok, then do italics

[halcyon mesa]

.tmwiki

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Trailmakers_Wiki

[mental venture]

wondering if I should make it that colour too

[drifting aspen]

just keep it the same layout as the rest of the wiki

[halcyon mesa]

Rn I'm on phone so the font might be different, I mean how each section for the most part has this square outline

I mean an option is to have an static image in the background and the square go above it for better contrast

[mental venture]

I added these two so far, and yes the punctuation is inconsistent in-game. Also I noticed the Details accessories had a redundant link and line so I replaced it.

for example the "Lights Accessories" tab has a line that says "Lights are Accessories in Trailmakers"

[lofty pendant]

i don't think this looks much better

[mental venture]

should I keep these or no? It looks useful for the sound accessories tab but for every other one it's not very helpful

[halcyon mesa]

True, I was thinking a more wikipedia.net style would be fitting

[low helm]

whats the "lock decal" button called

[mental venture]

Lock Position

unlock is reposition

[low helm]

thanks

what do we think of this part?

[mental venture]

Added the missing text!

[mental venture]

Awesome

Also if any admin is reading this, can we have the "Accessories" from each of the page titles removed? For example change "Bumpers Accessories" to "Bumpers" to make it accurate to the game and more concise

[lofty pendant]

the issue is that you would then have a worse search and some titles might be ambiguous

[halcyon mesa]

thats fair

[low helm]

Anyway, i did redo the decal page

.tmwiki decals

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=decals

[mental venture]

ah right

[unborn pasture]

Had a bug once that showed the location of most if not all the artifacts. Feel free to use on the wiki, all I'm asking is to NOT get the wiki contributor role, color is ugly imo.

[mental venture]

we could trade :3 i want the role

[pine leaf]

awesome

[halcyon mesa]

I have tweaked a little the patch notes page, it's a lot cleaner now I think

[low helm]

.tmwiki patch notes

[coarse hound]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=patch notes

[low helm]

Lovely

[halcyon mesa]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/585420/view/4202496761537043031?=english
@valid osprey so i have ran into a grey area, 1.8 update & rescue pack explains each general addition separately, so the cinematic camera section is literally "watch this video to know", and using this style leads me to this issue

the link is not displayed as a usable link, so its very awkward imo

just figured out a way

[lofty pendant]

you should be able to embed the video if you don't set the formatting to code block

[halcyon mesa]

im working on that rn, do you know how to access the widgets section on the wiki, the video i found shows another website of wikitext and i cant quite find it on wiki.gg

[lofty pendant]

what do you mean?

[halcyon mesa]

it says that i have to copy the embed code of certain video, then access widgets>embeds>youtube

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fTifSngXN8k?si=D-I-csiUytiftBDT" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

that was teh wrong embed code but yea

meant to get another one

[lofty pendant]

yeah, you can't use iframes (or most html tags) in mediawiki. Just adding the link by itself should automatically create an embed, like in discord

[halcyon mesa]

well it doesnt for me, just shows the link

[halcyon mesa]

ooh

ill try that

that works, thanks ^^

welp

spoke too soon

[lofty pendant]

that's not a valid youtube video id

[halcyon mesa]

how do i get the youtube video id

https://youtu.be/v5DCKX56_RM?si=3TO7ZDjoWTC2c-sn

[lofty pendant]

post the link

try this: <youtube>v5DCKX56_RM</youtube>

[halcyon mesa]

oh i skipped the _RM

[lofty pendant]

youtube video IDs are always 11 characters

[halcyon mesa]

hmm, i did the exact same but now the video wont load

[lofty pendant]

works for me, try clicking it

[halcyon mesa]

maybe its because i havent saved changes yet

[lofty pendant]

for me it worked on the preview

[halcyon mesa]

havent added so much on a wiki page before tbh

[pine leaf]

+8499 holy shit

[halcyon mesa]

I've added 1.8 update & rescue pack, 1.8.1 update, 1.8.1 hotfix 1, 1.8.1 hotfix 2 and 1.8.1 hotfix 3

Next one will be 1.7 🥲
I can imagine how much that'll be

[pine leaf]

what about 1.9 and 1.9.5

[valid osprey]

We have the Updates page which goes a little more into "content" text and videos.

I was imagining the Patch Notes page to be purely what has been added, changed, removed, etc.

[halcyon mesa]

Already there

[pine leaf]

ah okay

[halcyon mesa]

Yes that's why I put work in progress on 1.8 update and rescue pack

I plan on removing all the video stuff since I didn't read the full patch notes section until it was finished

[valid osprey]

All good!

[halcyon mesa]

Who's working on updates page, patch notes is already massive I can't imagine how much bigger the update page is

Gotta love phone ui

[valid osprey]

You can "view history"

[halcyon mesa]

Ah yes 20k and right after -11k

That must've been painful

[pine leaf]

terrorsoul has been cooking

[halcyon mesa]

so i have fixed 1.8 update & rescue pack and done 1.7.4

but um

theres no 1.7.3?

[lofty pendant]

there wasn't 1.9.3 or 1.9.4 either. The patch version doesn't always increase publicly

[halcyon mesa]

oh i see

[halcyon mesa]

I progressed until 1.7 update, but theres no list of the new decals on the steam post, so can someone send the full list in order here?

also on a side note what update is this supposed to be, its supposedly a dev diary post but has patch notes https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/585420/view/6816816781626122827?l=english

[halcyon mesa]

i figured out the patch notes issue

[valid osprey]

Suddenly reminded I took pictures of all the spawnables for modding💀 what a PITA that was

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[low helm]

[delicate isle]

context of spawnables page

[drifting aspen]

you got the barrels too i assume

[halcyon mesa]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Tube_Blocks#Cones-0 to whoever made this site-

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Gadgets#Others-0
ill assume they just didnt finish it

[tidal atlas]

Ye, when I did the most recent change of pics I forgot those and haven't had the time to finish them nor the accessories. But I probably will get to it this weekend

[shut pagoda]

I have added this to the decals section hopefully its good

[shut pagoda]

I would do same for The DLC decals but i dont own them all so i cant get good images

[drifting aspen]

I helped with the mouth decals

[shut pagoda]

Ik

I just haven't got thr rest of the images so all i can upload for the dlc ones is mouth glow Motorhead and rescue

[valid osprey]

great addition 😄
feel free to ping if ya want wikirole

[shut pagoda]

@valid osprey can I have role pls

[valid osprey]

yuuuuu~ rdy >:3

[shut pagoda]

Tank uu

[valid osprey]

Damn, DRG has some great lore pages 😮

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Karl

[valid osprey]

Added a little to Airborne story 🙂

Also added a little to Stranded

[low helm]

Does the stranded planet have a name like Gregory does?

[valid osprey]

I dont know :x

[halcyon mesa]

who knows its name when youre stranded there

[pine leaf]

who cares about it's name when you're stranded there (it's called stranded)

[halcyon mesa]

I meant like you wouldn't be stranded if you know where you are

[low helm]

I could be somewhere in the atlantic ocean. I know what ocean im in, i just dont know where in the ocean.

[halcyon mesa]

Well it's stranded in space

So you know you're in space

[low helm]

Ok you win.

For now

[shut pagoda]

Will there be new decals with 2.0

Cuz if so ima have to edit the thing i uploaded

[honest forum]

I'm on mobile so I can't upload pictures yet but I'm gonna start making guides for more complicated systems for logic. First one being the flight control input balancing system

[halcyon mesa]

No

[honest forum]

Just got done restructuring the page for input balancing.

[lofty pendant]

why is that a dedicated page instead of a subsection of the logic circuits page?

[honest forum]

I didn't know how to put it under logic

If you show me how to to put it under logic I will do that

I'm sorry, it's my first time adding to the wiki

[honest forum]

This is what I see

[lofty pendant]

Not there, those are categories. There is a "logic circuits" page intended for these sort of circuits. You should be able to edit that page to add your circuit

[honest forum]

This page?

[lofty pendant]

Yeah

[honest forum]

I see it shows there is a way to add a subpage

How do I make it a subpage

[lofty pendant]

You don't, you edit the page to add your content

[honest forum]

Oh, I figured it would look nicer to add a subpage, but alr

[lofty pendant]

Subpages aren't a thing afaik, there are only categories and pages

[honest forum]

Does it matter if I put it above or below the current content?

[lofty pendant]

No

[honest forum]

How do I delete this main page once I transfer it over

[lofty pendant]

I don't think normal users can delete pages, but i can do it for you

[honest forum]

Ok, thank you. Btw, does this look ok?

I feel like this will cause people to think I'm trying to gain too much attention to mine since it has a lot of different sections

[lofty pendant]

Get rid of the bold and :/. in the headings, and move it outside of the "other logic gates" section

[honest forum]

Good? Honestly I might make all headings bold, makes more sense

[honest forum]

Here we go 🙂

[lofty pendant]

It doesn't make any sense to have bold headings. They are already headings and use a bigger font

[honest forum]

Yeah but the smaller headings can be missed because they are almost the same size as regular text

[lofty pendant]

You don't need a heading for 2 lines of text

[honest forum]

It's not the amount of text, I mainly do it so if someone needs to see a certain section only they may click on it

I essentially go for accessibility, obviously this is not the same as making my own site (I'm a former website dev), but I still apply the same principles. Accessibility is my top priority

So unless there is another way to add the content to the table of contents, headings is the only way

[honest forum]

Also the : is just for styles

[honest forum]

I thought you said to keep mine out of the same section as the logic gates lol

[lofty pendant]

You can have multiple sections on the same page. The section it had was for how to make other types of logic gates that aren't in game as a single block, so it doesn't make sense to nest your circuit there. There is no problem with making it a sibling at the top level

[honest forum]

Oh, ok. Got it. Thanks!

I'm not to worried about getting the wiki contributor role, but how do you get it? Just out of curiosity

[lofty pendant]

The subheadings of setup instructions don't make sense for that though, people are unlikely to want to jump to the middle of it with no prior context, and the names don't mean anything without the context. Same thing applies to the troubleshooting section, it would make more sense to put as subheadings common issues with their solutions

[lofty pendant]

Making high effort contributions to the wiki

[honest forum]

So should I move the troubleshooting or nah?

[honest forum]

I'm about to go on a spree of finishing pages that are not finished

Oo a page about Johannes. Absolutely making one 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

I'm currently working on the patch notes page, you don't have to finish (or touch at all) that one

[drifting aspen]

Idk if thats a good idea

[halcyon mesa]

Wouldn't make sense since some developers would not want to have certain information about them in the wiki

[drifting aspen]

Yeah

[halcyon mesa]

If anything a credits page but that's it

[drifting aspen]

At most maybe we can have a page for the entirety of flashbulb

[halcyon mesa]

And would have to be manually updated since the current version hasn't updated in a while

[drifting aspen]

Also have we started writing the 2.0 article

[halcyon mesa]

I checked the updates page and it doesn't seem like they cover through much

[drifting aspen]

I can maybe help get images when the update releases

[halcyon mesa]

Yea but where is that

[drifting aspen]

Idk

[halcyon mesa]

You don't know where you put the 2.0 update page?

[drifting aspen]

I didnt make it

So if there is one, its not me

[honest forum]

I was kidding, the reason why I said Johannes is because his name was in the list of non-existent pages which had a link or reference to it

[honest forum]

K

[honest forum]

Added the Xbox achievement completion percentages to the Trailmakers achievements wiki page, going to see if I can get access to the PS ones too.

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Achievements#tabber-tabpanel-Others-0

[lofty pendant]

considering those percentages can easily change, i don't personally see much point in having them on the wiki

[honest forum]

Finished the PlayStation achievement/trophy percentages.

[honest forum]

Yeah, but I guess if anyone wants to see them they can.

I'm just going through pages and seeing what can be updated

[lofty pendant]

except in a couple months they will be wrong, so seeing them becomes pointless

[honest forum]

Yeah, but they might only change by a few percent. Me or someone might update them in a few years

Honestly it's just an estimate In my head, as long as it's in the ball park that's all that matters

[honest forum]

Can you tell me what Stubs are? I'm getting confused by what these are and if we can remove them if possible

[lofty pendant]

pages that should have more content added to them/are missing things

[honest forum]

Ok, I'm thinking about expanding the accessories page, does it automatically remove the stud thing or no?

Stub*

[lofty pendant]

no, you need to remove the tag at the start

[honest forum]

Ok

[honest forum]

What's the currency in the game called? Coins?

The gold you get from going through hoops of fire, completing challenges, etc

[lofty pendant]

it doesn't have an official name iirc

[honest forum]

I might have already said it and just having a bran fart lol

[honest forum]

Oh. Hm. You think it would be ok if I referd to it as gold then in the wiki page?

[lofty pendant]

most people call them coins

[honest forum]

K, there's not much to really say on the Accessories page so I'll just try to add as much content I can by describing what they are and how to get them

I see none of the DLC pages are made yet either, no one did those yet?

Expanded the Accessories page a little bit.

I've ran out of ideas on what I could really say, lol. If anyone else wants to add more please do

[honest forum]

What is the tag for a stud

Nvm, I figured it out 🙂

Just got done adding some content the the pages for the airborne DLC and high seas dlc

Ignore the YT notification

I've been just going through and doing pages which either don't have content yet or need to be updated

If anyones got tips for doing the wiki more efficiently or anything to do with the wiki please do let me know

[halcyon mesa]

When you don't have enough credits to buy something it refers to them as credits

[honest forum]

. Time to replace the term again..

[honest forum]

Went through the list of non-existent pages with reference links and removed each reference page with their links as single blocks/ entities won't be needing their own page or section.

I have no damn clue what those template/module pages are so I ain't touching em

[valid osprey]

Get that damn role. You have been doing nice job!

[halcyon mesa]

Btw Frans I wanted to ask, are the steam posts accurate with the update release date? and is it possible I can get the version name of each update? the ones before the latest one are kinda hard to find

[valid osprey]

Yes they are pretty accurate. By version name, do you mean 1.9.5_561231 or Pedal to the Metal?
Regardless they are super hard to find and I don't have any way yet to figure it out.
I can maybe look in our version history if I find a reliable way at some point when I have time.

[halcyon mesa]

Yes, the only way Im thinking of finding it is by looking into countless videos with the intro on the main menu

Which would show at the bottom right the game version

[valid osprey]

Crazy but good idea

[halcyon mesa]

Wait are early access not the latest version?

Cuz that will make it even harder to find the proper version

[valid osprey]

Heh... Yeah thats a complicated one. Early access for content creators is very rarely the release to public version.

Best to look at videos from people who dont have a test version.

[halcyon mesa]

Yea the issue is that most people don't show the main menu

[valid osprey]

I get you. I wouldn't spent too much of your energy on it tbh 🙂

[halcyon mesa]

I can get the new ones, the problem is the old ones that are the hard ones to get

[halcyon mesa]

Please check into the version history this is a rabbit hole I wanna get done with asap TwT

[valid osprey]

Why the urgency?

[halcyon mesa]

Oh no urgency I'm just a bit impatient

[lofty pendant]

You could download each version from steam and check out the number yourself if you have the release date

[halcyon mesa]

That works?

That might be the way to go, and yes I have the release dates up to 1.5 or so

[lofty pendant]

If you know how, yes, you can download any publicly released build

[halcyon mesa]

I'll try that when I'm home, for now I'll go off of first time trailmakers YouTubers cuz those seem to always show the main menu

Just that it'll end up scattered, for example I just got 1.7.2

1.0.2 I guess hotfix 2? I haven't reached this spot yet in the wiki

Is Xbox version the same to steam?

[valid osprey]

Not always :p

Welcome to hell

[halcyon mesa]

Yep

At least I just found out that the pause menu shows the version too

[drifting aspen]

are we covering every small bug patch along side the medium (eg: 1.7.5) and large updates (eg: 1.0, 2.0 etc)

[halcyon mesa]

I wanna add each version to each update

[drifting aspen]

ah

how many little bug patches are there even

[halcyon mesa]

In average there are around 2 hotfixes per major update

[drifting aspen]

ah

so that includes the medium stuff to right

[halcyon mesa]

Rn I have 1.0.2 1.1.0 and 1.7.2

[drifting aspen]

wait was 1.7.2 the one they added the power couplings in or was that 1.7.5

[halcyon mesa]

Only the numbers, all the text after the number is kind of irrelevant

[drifting aspen]

nvm that was 1.7.4

[drifting aspen]

ah

[halcyon mesa]

I don't think there's 1.7.5

[drifting aspen]

I might have just subconciously rounded it up to 1.7.5

[halcyon mesa]

There's 1.7.1, 1.7.2, 1.7.4

[low helm]

Greatness of game dev, not all platforms have the same version so updating it gets confusing 😅

[halcyon mesa]

uhh i have been gathering some updates via checking videos on bug reports, i have found 2 for 1.9.5 which has a main update and a hotfix, but the version you mentioned isnt either, is that a public version you mentioned?

[halcyon mesa]

after some version gathering i managed to find all the versions from 1.9.5 hotfix 1 to 1.6 hotfix 2 by the #bug-reports videos method but i couldnt maange to find 1.8.1 hotfix 2

[shut pagoda]

i feel like suffering through editing the wiki is there anything that needs doing

[tidal atlas]

Yeah, I've been preparing to change the blocks and accessories pages to be inline with the new UI and also be easier to edit and the like, but there's a lot of boring things to go through.

[shut pagoda]

I don't have access to the new ui yet

[tidal atlas]

I know, that's the part I'm doing. But I still meed to copy all the block infoboxes into their new place, which is gonna take a lot of time, on account of how many blocks there are

[shut pagoda]

I thought on the wiki it's just block catagories and not individual blocks

I may be misinterpreting what you said i am tired and ill

[tidal atlas]

Yeah, the thing is that the new UI has new categories and subcategories. So I'm changing how it's gonna be structured a bit. Which would also help with some other stuff, like block that need more info having their own page with the infopox linking to it instead of trying to cram it into the infobox

[shut pagoda]

Is there a way to make it so you can like click on different sections to open different information about each catagory

Smth like with the weapons page

While it doesn't solve the problem of having to write about the catagories it formats it better

[tidal atlas]

Yeah, it's gonna be pretty similar. The big categories will be with tabbers and the subcategories in collapsible sections. So it should be easier to navigate through it

[shut pagoda]

Okay

[tidal atlas]

And the infoboxes of the blocks are gonna be in templates, so if a specific block infoboxes is to be displayed in another page, like tone generator in something about trailmakers music for example, if it needs to be adjusted, only the template is edited and all the pages that use it will be updated, instead of having to go change it in every page

[shut pagoda]

Okay

I have not figured out formatting on the wiki yet

[tidal atlas]

You'll get there. For now, imma go sleep and keep working on the thing tomorrow

[shut pagoda]

Fair enough

[honest forum]

Thank you, I really only want to help refine the Wiki and remove unnecessary links and things that wont really have a purpose.

and if i keep spotting thyings that can be fixed/refined ill do it. (my OCD doesnt really help either since if i see somethings wrong, my brain goes into panick mode and says "fix it" over and over again in my head

[pine leaf]

that role color is literally perfect for you

[honest forum]

I guess so lol

[valid osprey]

If you ever need any support, then you can ping me personally. I love to support the people who support us this way 🙂 Very grateful!

One thing that has been hard at the moment is to point people to specific places that could use some help.

Stubs is one thing, but if you have any more direct examples of "Hey this could use some help" or "Why dont we have X, Y, Z page?" then feel free to post them in here!

[halcyon mesa]

wait one question, would i have to reinstall the game completely with the old version?

[lofty pendant]

you would need to download each individual version and swap the files

[halcyon mesa]

wait this is huge, i just found out the error logs have the version of the game

and the exact timestamp so i know if it was taken on a different update

[halcyon mesa]

i was looking for 1.4.3.38616, so i set the date to just before the 1.5 decals update, the issue is that i found a bug report #bug-reports message that shows a the version 1.5.0.40306 that doesnt match up with the steam posts, because update 1.5 shouldve been in august 22 2022

also according to steam posts there is only 1 hotfix, which should be 1.5.1.42753, and 1.5 decals update now should be either 1.5.1.42266 or 1.5.0.40306

either something went horribly wrong in error logs or the steamposts have a few dates wrong and are missing a hotfix

actually may not be one but 2 missing hotfixes

i know steamdb may be unreliable but its the only answer i could find to this problem

[honest forum]

Im glad im able to help the community! I try to help out as much as i can, so if i ever get the opportunity to help i always take it. Speaking of pointing out pages that coulduse work, The DLC Pages like Airborne and High Seas could definitely use some work. I already started but could use a bit of help since i dont know all the details about each update. They can be found here. https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Airborne_DLC and https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/High_Seas_DLC

and ofc the pages for other DLC and extensive packs, since i don't think there is a point to having dedicated pages to small skin packs since there is little content compared to the DLC's and biger packs like the Motorhead pack. I personally havent made the Motorhead pack but plan to at least start it when i get the time. Been getting busy with school and getting my driver permit. So if anyone else wants to help please do 🙂

anyways i gtg for now, glad i could help! if you spot something you think could use work just ping me if no one else is on, i usually read my messages quite often. good night everyone!

[halcyon mesa]

https://playtrailmakers.com/news/2022/03/08/patch-142-new-blocks-mirror-mode-fixes-and-more/ i just found this on a steam post, is this the goldmine of patch notes (aka is it a reliable source for the tm patchnotes)? @thin plank

[thin plank]

I mean it's our website so yeah I'd say it's reliable!

[halcyon mesa]

thats good to know, lmk when we can arrange the bug fixes for 2.0

[thin plank]

A complete list is not happening. There are more than 3000 changes.
But I can maybe try to get a list of some of the bigger stuff

But complete patch notes is not gonna happen.

But no update we have ever put out has included a complete list

[halcyon mesa]

oh yea no i dont need 3000, you can include the ones that affect gameplay the most id say

youre prob not allowed to send the entire bug fix list right

[thin plank]

It's not that I am not allowed, it's that the list doesn't exist haha.

[halcyon mesa]

oh yea X3

[halcyon mesa]

hmmm (i genuinely didnt notice i added that when i was making it)

[honest forum]

Hey, I don't mean to ping you for such a small reason but I got a notification that you sent me a friend request, then when I went to go accept it, it said you aren't accepting friend requests. Was this by accident?

[valid osprey]

Yes was an accident; meant to look for the role giving 🙂

[honest forum]

oh, alright. Just wanted to make sure lol.

[honest forum]

Not to be biased or anything, but the CSIBS system on the Logic Circuits page should be on its own page or at least sub-section entirely. I added it with instructions on how to implement it with my intended reason being to help people who are stuck with issues with control systems that are logic-powered. While I believe I met this goal, the setup process is a little long and I feel that the guide is going to take people's attention, especially while looking at the table of contents because of how big of a process it is. (The highlighted part being the guide). Which I am going to be adding a second method which people can use (thanks to @shut garnet for showing me this approach to this system) and I feel like this is really going to start controversy on whoever made this guide ( which would be me but people don't really know that) wants all the attention on to this system.

I'm adding the second method over time since I'm still doing testing for it. But my main question is for all other wiki contributors/wiki mods, should I separate this from the logic circuits page, or should I leave it as is? (Maybe potentially figure out how to shrink the size at least a little)

Sorry for typing a paragraph btw, just wanted to go over my thoughts process and see what others thought of this page and how it could be improved

@tidal atlas, is there a reason you removed the "unlocks boom box" section for the "Sonic Boom" achievement in the achievements page? I'm just curious.

I try to understand why things happen for whatever reason, guess it's a habit XD

[lofty pendant]

you could get rid of the 4th level headings. Cuts the size in half and they are pointless anyways as they are meaningless without context

[tidal atlas]

Bc there was a guy asking about the boombox a couple days ago but the tooltip hint to unlock it was referring to the man in black achievement instead. I remember it being the sonic boom achievement but im not sure rn, so I removed it momentarily

[honest forum]

Yeah, really I never wanted them on the table of contents anyways to begin with, I do want them as small headers though to make it easier for someone to find if they are going back to a certain point of the guide. Is there a way to have a heading without it being put on the table of contents?

If not, I'll just change the pixel size of it.

[lofty pendant]

looking at it you could make each step an ordered list item with a nested sublist

[honest forum]

Yeah, apparently adding spaces between numbered lists makes each step as a number one for whatever reason

[lofty pendant]

you don't need spaces, formatting is added automatically

[honest forum]

Okay, and how would I add a nested list

Since adding another list thing would make it part of the same list

[honest forum]

Oh, btw if you were wondering why I removed the stub from the workshop and galleries page it's because there isn't much you could say for workshop and galleries, it's as simple as uploading and sharing stuff. So I figured it had all the content it could have.

[lofty pendant]

It only has how to change the thumbnail for the workshop, at the very least it should have a small introduction, features, and differences between the gallery and workshop

[honest forum]

Ah, thanks for pointing those out. Ill prob try to do those when I can once I finish the logic circuits page

[lofty pendant]

# element 1
## element 1.1
## element 1.2
# element 2

[honest forum]

Slight issue, I need space between the listed items for context.

Essentially the part where it says "each AND Gate will feed into its own XOR Gate." Needs to be context for "configure the AND Gates" "

[honest forum]

Also tried using <br> and didn't work, still made both list items number 1.

[lofty pendant]

Can't it just be another sentence?

[halcyon mesa]

I think <br> would break the nested list counting, as you would make 2 independent nested lists

[halcyon mesa]

Updated Patch Notes until 1.2 Perfect Pitch, im reaching a point where the game feels so barebone, literally the update before this one included multiplayer
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Patch_notes

no idea how to fix that preview tbh now that i notice about it

[valid osprey]

Believe thats a wikimedia issue. But I do wonder if you can "encourage" the summary somehow

[halcyon mesa]

maybe i could have a simplified version to what steamdb does

without stuff like the rating and current players cuz itd be too much to maintain

[honest forum]

It did, when I added one <br> It only put it on the next line down, but when I put 2 it added 2 spaces on the lines below.

So after finishing it, this is the final product for the logic circuits page. Was supposed to finish it last night but got tired and fell asleep. Lemme know if you have any suggestions for improvement.

The 2nd image is just an example of what the rest of the guide looks like. I'll do the other method soon once I understand it more

[honest forum]

Honestly I was not thinking straight and for whatever reason wanted a whole section for that piece of text. Managed to fit it in well though after thoroughly thinking it through

[valid osprey]

I am totally on discord vacation, but I needed a quick break so I started the wiki article on Pioneers.

If anyone feels like doing some help on the stubs that would be awesome 😄
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Pioneers

misssiinbnngggg list

Pictures:

• A picture of every resource
• A picture of every enemie
• Picture of master sapo
• Picture of froggits
• Picture of the map
• Some general screenshots could be cool!

Text

• Description of each enemy, (what they can do, where you find them)
• Description of every resource, (what they are used for, where you can find them)
• Description of master sapo
• Some text describing missions

If you dont want to put them direclty into the wiki i dont mind doing it 🙂

[drifting aspen]

I can probably help out with the images

[halcyon mesa]

do you have the entire map explored?

[drifting aspen]

I have 99% of it explored, only small spots

[halcyon mesa]

you cant take a single screenshot of the full map right

[pine leaf]

there is a picture of the whole map in pioneers channel, lemme find it

this one from Bingle

or this one from Kozzado

[halcyon mesa]

this one is prob better cuz its on english and everything got explored

[pine leaf]

say hello to an excessive amount of leapsvale pictures!

[drifting aspen]

ill get photos of the enemies

[pine leaf]

you said that right as i was getting photos of enemy clusters

that's about all i'm gonna take rn because i really want to make the cruise missile again

[drifting aspen]

i mean like the individual enemies