Missile/Tracker Mod

[half garnet]

Actually... I can't make it happen again

Well, it's an easy fix, > becomes >=, I can live with that

[slender shell]

yeah

[half garnet]

Unrelated to that tho... Sometimes I hate how spaghetti coded this is

[slender shell]

i only know spaghetti code, old combat mod code is super scuffed

good thing is that it's a small mod

[half garnet]

Can't really say the same here, expecially the experimental branch

A better way of handling different kind of blocks would be great... And I do have one in mind, but I lack the time

Also will

[slender shell]

how would you do it differently?

[half garnet]

tables

basically used as classes

instead of just if cases in the ui and.. about half other functions... it wouldn't hurt to be a diffrent place where to set each block's stuff

[slender shell]

that does seem time consuming

[half garnet]

anyhow... now for some reason stuff gets activated when still in build mode

i know why, thankfully

i think it's always been here actually

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-whos-sus-not-me-gif-7283757931826139493

[pulsar stump]

If u have a fix for this, lmk, since i gotta add it to the experimental branch too

[timber patrol]

ahh yes minecraft

[half garnet]

so... i ended up trying to tune the pid properly via an 80 years old method

aka this

but it's quite terrible, Kd seems to really want to be more than Ki

[slender shell]

yeah, that looks horrible

[half garnet]

i mean, the formula itself is not difficult, you just set I and D to 0, increase P till you get a stable oscillation, that value is K0, you then get the period of said oscillation and that's T0

then you look at the last row

[pulsar stump]

The best method is vibing it out, testing, then vibing it out again 🗣️

[slender shell]

what i found to work best is the derivative being 1.2 times bigger than proportional and very little integral, for my rockets at least, and finding a good proportional was just testing

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.0 patch notes:
-changed powerful loft to ballistic loft (mimics a ballistic calculator kind of. isnt perfect but works okay. currently the max altitude offset is set to be the horizontal offset, which should make the max loft angle around 45 degrees)
-added an "anti notch" capability. a missile will make sure the tracker/aerotracker block is never facing too far to the side in order to see the currently targeted block, no matter how far away the lead/loft is. this helps missiles not lose lock for no good reason. the buffer is currently 5 degress on either side

[slender shell]

@half garnet i managed to make the tracking better on the missiles
What i changed is on line 1813, in the Pid function in the if UsingTorque then if. Instead of having local BlRot=TargetRot(tm.vector3.Create(), BlTable.Block.Forward()) i changed it to local BlRot=TargetRot(tm.vector3.Create(), BlPos-BlTable.OldHunPos) basically i used the velocity vector to know where the missile is going instead of knowing which direction it is pointing

[half garnet]

Interesting...

[half garnet]

i guess it's probably the best time to say: i am doing a total rework of the mod, it should now be extremely easy to add new settings... aka i can easilly add that

[slender shell]

That is awesome

[astral laurel]

yeah probably necessary

[half garnet]

ye, i'm pretty much redoing the whole mod, it should be actually possible to add new blocks and new settings without doing a treasure hunt...

it might also open the doors to open sourcing block kinds

as well as adding a little in-game guide, showing the color of each block while at it

[pulsar stump]

Does this not run the risk of more easily losing lock? And does it not need the pid to be tuned differently depending on the missile?

[slender shell]

The pid is fine as it is

[slender shell]

Also i didn't really see any losing of lock while testing

I did only test with 120 degree fov

[pulsar stump]

Huh, i see

Well, if youre free, we can test it with smaller fovs with my anti notch logic (which is made specifically to prevent losing locks) and see if it helps even if we use the velocity vector

[slender shell]

From testing, missile with low horizontal/vertical drag are made way better with this change

[slender shell]

Sure, in 20 minutes, i'm eating

[pulsar stump]

Alright! Ping me when youre ready to test

[slender shell]

Done eating

[half garnet]

i'm sure it won't work that on stuff with little thrust or can't easilly change their direction (cameras, turrets...) but adding it as a setting won't hurt

[slender shell]

yeah, you are right

didn't think of that

[slender shell]

this also doesn't work when leading isn't enabled, beacuse of OldHunPos being updated only when leading is on

[astral laurel]

spawn some quads way outside the world border with some textures that show tutorial slides, and just use a camera to show the images

[half garnet]

hmm... i guess i could

[astral laurel]

you’d have to deal with poor loading times but if images are optimized it might not be horrible

they don’t need to be 4k images

[half garnet]

yeah, yeah, tho i don't think there is much that can't just be explain in text

or well... that i can think of how to explain with images

[pulsar stump]

after testing with the anti notch that was modified to take into account AoA, this seems like it works well, only needs the pid retuned

[astral laurel]

what is this setting for?
will it change strength based on speed?

[half garnet]

Yeah

Like the aerotracker in the experimental

[astral laurel]

finally biwi can stop complaining that missiles just orbit the targets

[half garnet]

He can always complain that data can't be read properly

I'm sure I can do that

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.1 patch notes:
-added "smoothing" to the camera position, should make the camera appear behind the missiles, not in front of them (visually)
-added an option for aerotrackers to try and point their velocity vector towards the lead target, not their facing
-aerotrackers will point their facing towards the lead target position if the target is on the edge of the detection cone (same threshold as the anti-notch mechanism)

[wise oracle]

thats literally entirely how i code
jam out to loud music, remember the oddities of the modding api, turn the music even louder, overwork myself over 3 days, boom, new mod

[cloud anvil]

meanwhile me

[wise oracle]

peak deadline matching

[cloud anvil]

there are no deadlines i just give up for months at a time

[wise oracle]

server stability mod and brainrot vehicle detector and treasure island update and sensitive seats moment

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.2 patch notes:
-changed how the facing lead and velocity lead are marked
-added "facing towards lead + velocity" (meant to be an inbetween of the two options, may be better in some situations, may be worse in others. induces more drag than facing towards lead due to higher average AoA throught the flight)

[wintry radish]

any future for this mod or nah?

[vital sapphire]

I'm curious as well

[half garnet]

so, there is a total rework of the mod that's about 70% done i'd say, but i haven't worked on it in a while for one reason or another.
It's gonna add a bunch of quality of life stuff both to you (proper guides with images, example builds, more block type customization) and to me (easier to add new blocks), fix some problems that were introduced in 2.1, as well as re-introduce some features i deemed too unstable and some from the experimental branch.

[slender shell]

Sounds great! If you want help with example builds I would be happy to make some.

[wintry radish]

Cool

[pulsar stump]

anti drag blocks be like:

1.4.Test.9.3 patch notes:
-added anti drag block (can induce negative drag either at block point or at center of mass, wasnt tested much)

if you find any bugs, please let me know and ill try to fix them as soon as possible

[thorny fossil]

YAY

YAYAYAYA

[pulsar stump]

@glad dagger sorry for the ping, but i wanted to know what do you use to determine drag? as in, what does the function look like? currently, in the anti drag block implemented above, i assume the drag to be d*v^2, where d is the drag coefficient, but it seems to not be correct, as with no gravity, a missile of mine that gets that force added back (to remove the drag) first decelerated from +200m/s to 175ish m/s, then stopped decelerating. is there any way you could shed some light on how drag is done inside the game?

[surreal ice]

Try with ^2.2

[pulsar stump]

that works wonderfully actually. its not perfect, but considering im adding force here based on a speed in a rather unstable manner, this seems to work increbigly well, at least well enough for my speed display to be too inprecise to show it. good call!

also, i decided to do some desmos experimenting, and it also showed a power of 2.19 would be the best fit, although the data was very noisy (delta V plotted depending on V)

[surreal ice]

2.2 is more likely to be correct, since a human must have decided to change it and using 2.19 would be weird

[pulsar stump]

i know, i assume 2.19 because of the noisy data and all those weird data points as shown on the graph

why 2.2 in the first place tho?

[surreal ice]

maybe early on in development during tests they thought speeds were too high and wanted to reduce them

[rugged siren]

Forgive me for sounding like a newbie been a while since I was on here, does the mod still work? I tried using my older builds or making new ones, mod seems completely disfunctional

[slender shell]

Last i checked the mod worked, can you specify which version are you using, the test branch or the normal version?

[rugged siren]

I tried both😔 I can give more details when I get home

Maybe I just set it up wrong?

[half garnet]

I don't blame you for asking, the more recent updates broke quite a bit and I took longer than I wanted to fix it, right now it should be mostly working, at least with newly made missiles

[pulsar stump]

all old builds are broken, due to how data was saved. moreover, there is no way to recover the data, unless you would run an older version of the game itself and you would have a conversion tool

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.4 patch notes:
-changed the anti drag block to use v^2.2 multiplier, since that seems to be the correct one
-||added a way to log velocity and time from a drag block that is disabled by default, can be used to experimentally collect flight data for later data evaluation||

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.5 patch notes:
-changed how the smart explosion works, now taking the true closest point, even taking into account points inbetween ticks
-removed a mechanism that prevented collisions resulting in no explosion, no clue how to exactly implement this
-mines now despawn the structure upon exploding, may revert it if i find a better method of dealing with a new problem

[pulsar stump]

4th tracking type preview 👀

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.6 patch notes:
-added "mine disappeared" message (happens when an active mine is deactivated without exploding)
-added emergency and contact explosions (happens when a mine block disappears and mines were once within the trigger range, emergency if nothing was in the path of the mine, contact if something was in the path of the mine, contact explosions happen at the contact point)
-added "mine emergency exploded" message
-added "mine contact exploded" message
-added a 4th guidance mode "optimal AoA control", it will start off with no lead, then incrementally switch to lead, then incrementally switch to lead with velocity compensation, then do full lead with velocity compensation. based off of the TTI, for now its 6,4,2 for TTI thresholds, subject to change. meant to prevent bleeding off too much speed at the start of the flight

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.7 patch notes:
-added support for an uncapped aerotracker strength. probably unstable, use at your own risk. done by setting the strength to be below 1 (which before would cap it at a 0, since a value below one that is floored resulted in 0). this has a side effect of allocating more bytes to the multiplier that gets multiplied by speed, since it no longer is constrained by the maximum value

TLDR uncapped aerotracker strength more precision with the force multiplier for aerotrackers with uncapped strength

[vital sapphire]

Swag

[wintry radish]

does anyone have some template type builds? I've been trying to get the aerotracker and stuff to work but it doesnt track

[pulsar stump]

I dont have templates per say, could build one later tho. If you want, you can show me the missile and what values you have inside and i can try and help

[hollow summit]

What is the current difference between the experimental and main branches?

[wintry radish]

Experimental has more features

[pulsar stump]

Mines:
-smart explosions (aka closest point explosions), explosions when collisions (mostly), more explosion types
-aerotrackers, aka trackers with loft, different leading styles, and speed dependent strength
-drag blocks, apply a drag linear to velocity or velocity^2
-anti drag blocks, meant to reduce the drag the game gives builds
-thruster blocks, thrust for a certain amount of time
-camera controls, aka a menu with info about aerotrackers that are active (Gs, AoA, angle to target, speed, distance to target, time to impact) and the ability to follow the missile in flight (cant be orbit or strict orbit cameras)
-distance to threat, aka shows the distance to the closest trackers/aerotrackers actively seeing you
-a lot more possible errors 🤷‍♂️

1.4.Test.9.8 patch notes:
-added info blob to the aerotracker about the speed dependency and strength
-added info blob to the info tab about the TM discord server thread and the anti drag (pink block)

[quaint marsh]

My eyes keep resetting to 360 cone detection, as well as never adhering to the activation distance. (they instantly start tracking which messes with vehicle steering).

[pulsar stump]

do you use the eyeball block, or sth else?

also, afaik some blocks dont like being used as trackers, so if youre using a custom block, it may not work. also also, after changing settings, i suggest adding a block onto the build before leaving build mode, and saving if possible, to make sure the game realizes you want to update the blueprint that it then respawns for you

this should help with the resetting

[quaint marsh]

I didn't know you could use other blocks, been using eyeballs.

[pulsar stump]

well, you can, but not all of them (setting colors doesnt work on some blocks, so the mod breaks), and the forward direction isnt always what you would expect

lmk if the "add/remove a block and save" trick works, or if you still have problems

also, do not repaint the secondary color on the eyeball (idk if youre doing that, but ive seen one person do that)

[quaint marsh]

It did not.

[pulsar stump]

huh, that is very weird

i know sometimes, very rarely, the mod doesnt like setting the colors for some reason

i assume you tried turning the mod off and on again?

[quaint marsh]

This is a re-occuring issue yes

[pulsar stump]

can you show the log?

[quaint marsh]

It tracks, it just doesn't want to not track

[quaint marsh]

Which one?

[pulsar stump]

ye, i get it. but by setting colors i mean changing the settings actually, so whatever the default turns out would be the one that is constant

mods log

[quaint marsh]

Not sure how to check it

[pulsar stump]

steam\steamapps\common\trailmakers\mods\Custom Missile Mod.log or sth like that

[astral laurel]

go in game > session options > open modding directory
send the log with {mod's name}.log

[quaint marsh]

What do you want me to show you?

[astral laurel]

send the .log file here

[quaint marsh]

There is none

[pulsar stump]

👀

that is...concerning

which mod version are you using?

[quaint marsh]

No clue

[pulsar stump]

i mean the main one, or the experimental one

[quaint marsh]

Main one

[pulsar stump]

do you have a custom missile mod folder?

[quaint marsh]

Yes

[pulsar stump]

but no log file?

that is very weird

ok, this is a longshot, but can you try restarting the game? idk if itll help, but may be worth a try

[quaint marsh]

I have gotten one of the eyes to be 240 but the other is still staying 360

I'll try the restart

A combination of the restarting and saving after change has apparently fixed it

Thanks

[pulsar stump]

ye, sometimes i think the game just doesnt like changing colors, its a bummer when that happens, tho for me its very rare

[pulsar stump]

for most this probably isnt really important, but for the few that use the experimental branch with T-pipes as their blocks:

am making a "little" calculator that should accept a lot of different configurations of missiles (basically you build the missile in the calculator) and then display their velocity over time graph (and velocity over distance), which should allow for easier designing of missiles, since you see more or less how it will fly (tho for now it assumes horizontal flight with the consideration of AoA to keep level)

[pulsar stump]

after a LOT of pain, and torturing the desmos, i was able to make this:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/4icwt7pwn4
it allows you to:

• set the thruster powers and times (also automatically scales the weight based on the amount of thrusters)
• set its side and front drags (including anti drag)
• set its loft value (between no, slight and medium, there is no extreme loft here)
• set the starting position, and velocity, of a target its aiming for

it is configured for use with T-pipes, and isnt perfect, but it does seem to work

(the big black line is velocity * 10 depending on distance, orange and red are position of the missile, its red when burned out, purple is target position)

[jagged pulsar]

Might seem obvious but i cant figure out how the distance to threat number reading stuff works @pulsar stump

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[pulsar stump]

iirc, its meant to show the distance to the closest tracker/aerotracker that is going after you, the second number is the same logic but about your target blocks (the blue ones)

lemme check to see if it actually checks for trackers too

[jagged pulsar]

Is it like a block that can read it or what

[pulsar stump]

?
i dont fully understand your question

[jagged pulsar]

Like how do you get the number reading is it just in the mod menu or can you use a block and use it inside of logic and stuff

[pulsar stump]

no its just a mod menu thing. there is no way to interact with logic with mods, so even if i wanted to do a readout into logic, it would be impossible

[jagged pulsar]

ah ok thanks

[pulsar stump]

actually seems like it doesnt

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.9 patch notes:
-optimized internal workings of the aerotracker. should lag a bit less (unless its using optimal AoA control)
-changed optimal AoA control to now have TTI thresholds of: 8, 2, 2.
-made it impossible (hopefully) for optimal AoA control to go back to more optimized flying compared to a less optimized flight (that is, it will not go into leading, then stop leading again). Should make it a bit better
-Added various mechanisms to hopefully prevent optimal AoA control from directing the missile straight into the ground

[jagged pulsar]

Another question when ive tryed using the aero tracker it just doesnt lock onto targets am i doing smthing wrong

[pulsar stump]

am i doing smthing wrong
probably, as ive been using exclusively aerotrackers without any issues (well, with issues but they still lock onto targets)

what strength settings did you set?

[jagged pulsar]

I cant completely remember but it was just an integer do i need to do smthing different

[pulsar stump]

in the window. Integers are the MAX strength. the decimal part is the multiplier. if the decimal part is 0, then the multiplier is 0. and 0 multiplied by any speed is 0, so the tracker had no strength

[jagged pulsar]

if i set the strength to 0 does it then have an unlimited max strength

[pulsar stump]

if you set the integer part to 0, then yes

[jagged pulsar]

do i still need to set the decimal part to something

[pulsar stump]

with the remade missile mod the way to set the data will be reworked (on the back end), so itll be easier to make this more user friendly. for now tho the experimental branch will be stuck with weird stuff like the integer vs decimal parts

[pulsar stump]

yes, because if not, then the multiplier is set to 0, and again, 0 times anything is 0, so no strength

[jagged pulsar]

so if i set it to 1.1 then the multiplier would be 1

[pulsar stump]

no, then the multiplier would be 0.1

and the max strenght would be 1

[jagged pulsar]

ok

i get it now

[pulsar stump]

100.2 means multiplier is 0.2, and the max strength is 100

the max is there to make sure the missile doesnt just rotate 360 degrees out of nowhere when its going too fast

[jagged pulsar]

yeah

for whatever reason tho the aero trackers still arent aiming towards targets at all

[jagged pulsar]

.

[pulsar stump]

what are the rest of the settings?

[jagged pulsar]

hold on

[jagged pulsar]

here

these are the settings i used

[pulsar stump]

that looks... okay. can i see the physical missile?

[jagged pulsar]

its very basic it is just a test to try get them to work

[pulsar stump]

try quadratically linear maybe?

huh? quadratically proportional, my bad

[jagged pulsar]

it seams to be working but it turns really slow

what strength should i do to make it quicker?

[pulsar stump]

bigger i guess

[jagged pulsar]

yeah it seams to be working now thanks

[pulsar stump]

my missiles are usually much smaller

[jagged pulsar]

yeah i have other smaller ones but this one is a bigger cruise missile type thing

Do you reccomend user the aero tracker over regular tracker

cus thats what i normally use

[pulsar stump]

the point of aerotrackers was so that you could model a flight path that was more realistic in a sense, so if you want that, then yes

[jagged pulsar]

yeah ok ill try them thx

[half garnet]

missile mod v2 is now out
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3609076770

thumbnail coming sometime in the future

there has been minimal multiplayer test so it might be completely broken for all i know

[slender shell]

I'm gonna have fun testing this

[half garnet]

Let me know everything wrong

[urban shell]

is anyone else getting failed to call update every time you launch a missile?

in missile mod v2?

[half garnet]

Send blueprint

[half garnet]

ok no, it's fine, just pushed the fix, it seems my last second untested change was... untested

[slender shell]

@half garnet if you want, i could do some example blueprints, this way i can also test the mod more while having something to do

So many options =O

[half garnet]

Sure, just keep them simple

[slender shell]

found a ui error, when you are in client settings, in used blocks and you have one block added and then you add another block it gives an error. Also when you have 2 blocks added or more and you remove one it gives an error

[slender shell]

what should they be? like a simple missile or just the eye block? Also should i do it for all custom blocks?

[half garnet]

do it for those you want i'm not forcing you, but i was planning to have some at least for mines and missiles, maybe even drag blocks, it should be a tiny thing with not much other than the special block and wathever it needs to work

so a simple missile, or a little car with a camera gimbal would work

there is gonna be just one problem, modded thruster powers will come when 2.2.2 releases, (a bug currently breaks it)

[slender shell]

ok, i was just now wondering about that

[half garnet]

if you want it's already uploaded, but it only works with blocks that aren't a vanilla color

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3609067068

[half garnet]

this one's odd, the error is more related about the lack of p,i,d values

ok, so, i messed up something with loading default values, just reloading the mod should fix it forever

should now be fixed

[slender shell]

@half garnet I have made a blueprint for missile, flare, drag, mine and target

[slender shell]

i'm getting some weird crashes while using the mod and being in f5, just while being in f5

i launch a missile and i spectate it with f5 and then it crashes after 10 seconds

[half garnet]

that's... odd

[slender shell]

So to reproduce it you need to do:

• Have a target somewhat far from you
• Launch missile and wait for it to lock
• Go in F5 in single player so the time stops
• unfreeze time
• game starts lagging and then crashes
  and then the game lags and

[half garnet]

Yeah I checked it out after you mentioned it

It's already fixed on my end, will upload the fix later today

[slender shell]

nvm, now i can't reproduce it, it just kills the missile instantly.
I got it again but i had to freeze time a few times before it crashed

[slender shell]

nice

[round mountain]

Is there any chance thrust editing will come back? sometimes the 10k is a bit too much

[tacit mirage]

You can change how much the thruster uses by changing the speed

[round mountain]

ohhh of course 🤦‍♂️

[tacit mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378461112512811179/1432826839046422558/image0.gif

[round mountain]

also i'm noticing stability issues with servers - i'm not sure if it's something else but whenever i'm hosting a server with the missile mod (experimental branch) i keep finding that ever so often i get a disconnected message which is strange considering i'm the one hosting it and i shouldn't be able to disconnect from my own server

[slender shell]

the disconnecting from your own server happens in unmodded servers too, so i don't think it's caused by cmm

[round mountain]

oh alright

it's a strange bug

[slender shell]

yup

[half garnet]

Will come back as a separate mod as soon as 2.2.2 drops

You can download it even now, but it will be broken until 2.2.2
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3609067068

[slender shell]

it was nice having it in cmm but this is fine too

[half garnet]

Yeah, but having 2 uis for who uses cmm feels less of a downside than having a whole missile mod that risks crashing the fame for everyone who just wants powerful thrusters/engines

[pulsar stump]

there is a chance, a fairly high one, that the missile mod is just broken and crashing the game constantly. if i have time, ill try to rewrite as much as possible to bring it up to the CMM v2 standard, but its a long way from now

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.9.10 patch notes:
-halfed the refresh rate of basic info, should be at 30Hz (hopefully helps with lag)
-hopefully fixed a bug with optimal AoA control that would make the missile go straight towards the ground

[slender shell]

@half garnet how do you store the data in blocks with color? i want to make a mod that has that but i have no idea how to do it efficiently. Could you show me how you did it in custom missiles mod v2?

[slender shell]

Here are some errors i got while using cmm v2 , they were when the eyes got destroyed

[slender shell]

Why was the targetting option removed? i feel like it was useful

[half garnet]

it wasn't implemented yet, it will come back soon or later

[half garnet]

remember which kind of block they were? missiles, mines...

[slender shell]

i had 1 tracker 1 mine and 1 target in the session

once it was when my drone, which had the target block, crashed into a pillar

[vital sapphire]

🥳

[slender shell]

Is it fixed now? I didn't see anything about modding in the patch notes

[half garnet]

It should, it was on the test branch

[slender shell]

Wait, since when are you a tester?

[half garnet]

Ehhh... High seas I think

Mabe the one before, still, 3 years at least

[slender shell]

it's still broken

[half garnet]

-_-

[half garnet]

it seems it was my fault for not having tested the fix...

tomorrow i'll go #BlameFrans

[acoustic smelt]

does mines work against missiles too? I dont think they do cuz ive been trying to kill missiles, with missiles but it just doesnt work. Its basically impossible to shoot down a missile without mines so why even use that function

[pulsar stump]

why even use that function
targetting missiles allows you to:
-build missile detectors
-steer AA guns automatically (provided they have autoaim)

from there you can also use the missile detectors to automatically launch a flare, or sound an alarm, or explode the plane before the missile even reaches it (because the plane got scared or sth, idk)

plus, there still is the pre-mine way of exploding a missile, although it would probably need to rely on sth different than a distance sensor (one of the designs in my mind requires the missile to be unstable aerodynamically)

[slender shell]

Terrorsoul made a thruster editing mod and that one works. It uses colors to store the data.
Why does your engine editor mod not work?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3625227764

[half garnet]

i try to keep the color as close as possible to the vanilla ones so you can have both look and functionality, the game doesn't like it

(the fix is pretty easy, just have not not make it so close, but i'm real busy recently)

do note, "not make it so close" likely still means less difference than that the screen can display

[round mountain]

v2 doesn't seem to allow me to cycle through every player on the specific target mode, it might do one or two before just freezing on one player and not changing

[rugged siren]

is missile mod dead? it aint working for me😔

[pulsar stump]

Doubt it. Last i checked it worked. Typical stuff to check:
-block type properly selected
-color properly selected
-targets are visible to the tracker

[rugged siren]

Ah okay, I'll check again.

[pulsar stump]

(You can ping me if it still no work)

[rugged siren]

i got it! the missile tracker itself works, but does thruster editing still work?

i remember using it with this mod but jess said something changed with the game engine and thrust editing doesent work anymore?

nevermind i got it, thanks anyway <3

[slender shell]

how does the strength multiplier on v2 work? is it like strength * speed^2?

[half garnet]

It should, yes

Unless I forgot to implement it which is honestly possible

[slender shell]

i was just asking to be sure that my missile will turn. Speed is in m/s right?

[half garnet]

Yes

With a meter being 4 blocks

[slender shell]

also, why does it say 0/n for drag blocks when you spawn, shouldn't it be 3/3 because they always work?

[half garnet]

Hmm, If I remember correctly I keep them disabled since I don't need them to do anything during the update function, they should still be working tho

[slender shell]

they are

it confused me for a second until i tested it

So some errors are happening when i respawn right after i launch the missile

lol, what's with the AAAA

[slender shell]

probably because respawning now deletes any detached thing you had

[half garnet]

some test logs i forgot to remove from the looks of it

hm, hate these error, they don't really say anything, what blocks were you using?

as in types, were you also using mines/flares...

[slender shell]

2 drags, 1 tracker, 1 mine

[half garnet]

So the error stay without the mine?

[slender shell]

no. Without the mine there are no errors

[half garnet]

As expected, the good news is that I have a... 70% chance of knowing which is the error

[slender shell]

sooo, why do mines explode multiple times?

also the tracking of the missiles looks really weird, like it keeps changing from leading to looking straight at the target.

[half garnet]

this i don't know

[half garnet]

this should be because the speed of the missile and the plane are very close to each other, so when the missile doesn't think it can reach the target in time by leading it defaults to normal targeting

[slender shell]

it makes mine fly really weird

[half garnet]

do you have target missiles enabled or not on the mines?

unrelated to the targeting thing

[slender shell]

nope

i have smart mine enabled

[slender shell]

i will say that the tracking in custom missile mod v1 feels way more reliable

[half garnet]

thing is, that wasn't changed (not on purpose at least)

can you send the blueprint of whatever was giving errors? as usual when i test stuff nothing goes wrong

[slender shell]

bruh, i tested the exact same missile on both mods and they fly totally different.

[slender shell]

wait a second, now i can't reproduce it

[slender shell]

i got it twice with this blueprint but after respawning a lot

[half garnet]

turns out i was only checking broken active blocks and not inactive, which was a problem, not sure if the one you are having tho

[half garnet]

i may have forgotten that i completely changed how the pid works

if the unreliability is always there, not just with leading then that's it

the plan was to add a "legacy pid" option, but i still need to decide how to implement it decently

well, i uploaded a couple possible fixes, not sure how soon it will update for you, but check the logs for version 1.3.1

[slender shell]

that probably is it

[slender shell]

lol, without the leading it tracks perfectly

[half garnet]

so it's not the pid... yet the leading logic should be literally the same

[slender shell]

is there any way to see what version of the mod it is in game?

[half garnet]

i don't think the workshop tells you, the quickest way should be to just open the log while the game is still running, as soon as the mod is loaded it prints the version number

if you use vs code it will update automatically, notepad will require you close and re-open the file

[slender shell]

alright

the error is fixed now

[half garnet]

nice

the double explosion should still happen, i know the problem, but it's a slightly more annoying fix

[slender shell]

wait a second, my testing wasn't great that time. without leading it still looks like it does weird stuff, like going in a straight line adn then doing a really sharp turn

[slender shell]

I need to test this out and with a different missile, i'm not 100% sure right now

[slender shell]

it's weird, when i changed the missile to be more unstable both the leading and non leading got better so i think it is both that are not working well

[waxen panther]

hi i have a problem with the custom missiles mod the the normal one when i use the tracker no matter what strength or activation distance i set on it tracks a player with maximum strength while on my vehicle and for the experimental when i launch a missile the whole game goes into a slow-motion i have tried reinstalling both mods but nothing works

[untold falcon]

how can i change the speed of the thrusters?

[plain lark]

Hi guys. I’ve been playing around with the custom missile mod for a few days and the V1 works perfect fine. Everything works and is easy to use. When I try the experimental or V2 everything goes wrong. I don’t know what half of the options or colours do and I can’t find anything like a video to really to explain it. I was trying to use the thrust purple eye and the aero tracker light green eye but they are very hard to understand. If someone could tell me if I need to add a normal tracker and a aero tracker, or how the drag, thrust, and aero trackers works I would greatly appreciate it. If anyone knows lmk thx

[pulsar stump]

Thrust just applies a force for a certain amout of time, gets activated the same way as the flares. Aerotrackers are complicated:
-quadratically vs linearly proportional changes whether the "strength factor" gets multiplied by speed or speed squared.
-the "strength factor" is the value of the strength input after the decimal point (so the strength input of 200.2 means strength factor of 0.2). The integer part is the cap of what the actual strength can be, if its 0, then no cap.
-the loft means how much higher the tracker aims, to fly in a parabolic motion.
-then the last set of options (i forgor their name) changes how the tracker aims jtself exactly.
Facing towards lead means that it just looks at the leading point.
Facing + velocity means the same, but it slightly overcompensates to account for the missile drifting.
Velocity towards lead means it will keep turning until the velocity vector points in the correct direction.
All of these have tradeoffs of increased drag due to the progressively more aggressive angle of attacks, so optimal aoa switches from one method to another to try and optimize the drag while retaining the more agressive turns when closer to the enemy

Drag block just applies a force to the part proportional to the velocity, or if value inputted<0, then proportional to velocity^2

Antidrag always does proportional to velocity^2.3 (what the game uses), to basically allow for any drag value you want

The aerotrackers are indeed stupidly complex and buggy, but they were meant to represent more complex flight profiles and missile designs

If something is unclear, just ping me

[plain lark]

Thank you so much

Should I just use the regular tracker for now? I feel like it’s more consistent in actually locking

I feel like I was trying to make a complex missile too early. I just copied the one in the thumbnail for experimental branch and tried to tweak around the settings until it somewhat worked. I got the proxy fuse and the thrusters. But I couldn’t get the aero tracker to work. But I will try again maybe making an easier design

[pulsar stump]

thats purely up to you

i know that the experimental branch is broken, but i have no time nor energy to sit down and rewrite all of it to be in the v2 standard