Missile/Tracker Mod

[unborn heart]

Are you not able to differentiate them using specific colors like the trackers/mines etc?

[half garnet]

Yeah, that's not the problem

The problem is with the SetDrag function itself

That for some reason has a lasting impact, changing the drag even if blocks spawned after deactivating the mod

[unborn heart]

So you could change the drag of a block, deactivate the mod and the changed drag is still effective?

Is there a way to force a recaclulation of the blocks drag when the mod is deactivated?

[half garnet]

it's not just that the one block that was modified kept its changes, that would be fine

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[unborn heart]

Is it all blocks ex all 2x1s have the modded drag until the server is restarted?

[half garnet]

this is what happens after modifying the drag of a single block, and disabling the mod

as you can see it's totally unreliable, at times it has drag, at times it doesn't, sometime less, sometime more, not exactly what i'd consider proper behaviour

[unborn heart]

Huh

What about simulating drag using forces?

[half garnet]

doable, but annoying

[unborn heart]

Fair enough

[half garnet]

the math itself is not that hard, but i've heard of enough people crashing, i can't even update it cause it makes it crash even more for unknown reasons, i don't know if more stuff happening helps

[remote wasp]

TM is crashing way too often..

With my mod too

[unborn heart]

Also, what's the difference between Main.lua and Main(Quads).lua?

[half garnet]

I tried using quarternions, didn't work

I do have a working one using them, but again, can't update

[half garnet]

Thing is I never crashed, tho I keep hearing about people who do

[remote wasp]

Same thing no crash for me

[unborn heart]

Yea, only weirdness for me is on steamdeck. It sometimes doesn't like to power edit the 1x1 rocket thrusters

But other than that, not many crashes...

[hollow summit]

they probably have a system ram stability problem

[half garnet]

yeah, the game limiting memory usage on steam mods was my only tought, given that the crash log mentions accessing an unavailable memory address (can't confirm tho)

[hollow summit]

yeah its probably vram or dram but if your ram cant support the speed it tries to run at it can and will crash whatever you are running. or everything becomes pink

[unborn heart]

For some reason the power editing is not persisting. It keeps getting set to -0.59... I've never had this issue before today...

[remote wasp]

The coloring isn't working for jet/prop blocks

[acoustic smelt]

yeah something broke

mine goes down to -0.25 when i try

[half garnet]

Probably depends by whatever the original color is

[acoustic smelt]

nope it doesnt

thruster editing doesnt work rn

my friend cant do it either

[acoustic smelt]

@half garnet

doesnt get saved, colour doesnt change

[half garnet]

Can't really do anything, mod hasn't been update in ages and this is recent, can only wait for it to be fixed

[remote wasp]

My mod stopped working too and the next thing I need to do in my new version is the thruster editing 😦

[misty zealot]

the unfortunate but sorta common case of devs fucking around and the users finding out

[remote wasp]

Yea..The coloring functions were completely fine why change them?

[surreal ice]

they most likely didn't

[kind prism]

This game makes sense (it doesn’t)

[junior turret]

We haven't changed anything around this intentionally, I can look into it but right now game stability takes priority over mod related issues so it is unlikely to be something that gets hotfix priority.

[acoustic smelt]

just realised, start active stopped working too

[cloud anvil]

the mysterious forces of computers really dont seem to like this mod

[astral laurel]

is thruster editing broken or something? no values are changing properly

might have something to do with having negative color values

[misty zealot]

setting colour of blocks (how it stores data) broke as of recently

[astral laurel]

yes im aware how it works, thats odd

something in 1.9?

unfortunate

[misty zealot]

don't quite know, some logic I was using with a turret I've made recently broke after the recent hotfix (although was fixable), and such issues only started occurring after it, so it could've been that

[astral laurel]

i suppose only current options is to use previously colored objects or another mod to set stuff

[junior turret]

I'm going to try and pinpoint when it broke, if it was with one of the hotfixes maaaaybe we can squeeze it in, but no promises!

[astral laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-iluvmybf-gif-8809021896230698751

[junior turret]

Thruster editing part does look to be something that broke with the latest hotfix (no idea why )

Is there a mod that demonstrates the issues with block coloring? I'm trying using Block Editor and it seems fine but it is very likely I am missing something. Edit - Oh it is specifically stuff like thrusters that are not changing colour, is that it?

[acoustic smelt]

yes i think so

the missile mod still works, you can edit the trackers and mines and they change colour

only the thrusters

[acoustic smelt]

this is just what happens, usually, (iirc) depending on the power you put, the thruster's secondary colour changes (usually purple) but now it doesnt, i tried it with different coloured thrusters aswell and they are all broken

the thing is, you can still use your old edited thrusters from like 3-4 days earlier and still edit them. Those work fine

[junior turret]

Ah I get it, I see the secondary switching now when you change thrust power in the previous build. Thanks! I think we know why it happened (optimisations )

[opaque quartz]

based jamie ngl

[acoustic smelt]

[lethal silo]

nyone else having issues with the thrust values?

Its really ticking me off and i cant edit thrust values anymore :/

[cloud anvil]

yes, scroll up

[cloud anvil]

no fix in hotfix 4?

[junior turret]

Sadly not.

[remote wasp]

You can use the previous build beta that works for the coloring Not anymore

[cloud anvil]

smh

[astral laurel]

then i lose my legally aquired 2 quadrillion coins

[wintry radish]

How can I also acquire some completely legally?

[remote wasp]

Wait a sec hotfix4 means that the previous build beta doesn't work 😦

[astral laurel]

good thing i have a laptop with 1.8 on it

[half garnet]

Just acquire more illegally

[kind prism]

cant

piracy is my gambling

cant stop winning 💯

[mild orchid]

Whenever i try to make my space thrusters black and try to change the thrust it crashes my game, Is this just a me issue...?

[valid warren]

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[zenith adder]

i possibly found a temp fix for the value editing glitch and what not

[exotic storm]

Using edited power thrusters from older saves works

[acoustic smelt]

[untold monolith]

anything important since I was gone?

[astral laurel]

idk how long u were gone but thruster editing is broken

[strange owl]

ye pls fix :)

[cloud anvil]

fix tomorrow fr

[astral laurel]

yea its not an issue with the mod, an optimization made by the devs made it impossible to color certain objects with mods, meaning thruster editing is broken but luckily not any of the trackers.
likely wont be fixed till 2.0

[zenith adder]

that sucks :/

[untold monolith]

i was gone for like 3 months lol

[astral laurel]

then nothing much

only 1 new update,
missiles can attack missiles and some PID issues fixed

[untold monolith]

missiles can attack WHAT

MWHAHHAHAHAH

I AM SO POWERFUL NOW

[half garnet]

That update is not real

Had to revert it since it crashed way more

Should probably upload a "missile mod experimental"

[untold monolith]

aw

[astral laurel]

didnt even know that

hm

[half garnet]

Ye, this and a bunch more on ds iirc

[pulsar stump]

btw, i might not be remembering correctly but i think the poison explosion was connected to some crashes. not sure if its in 1.4.5, or newer, but i remember thinking about that. it might have been a coincidence tho, would need more testing

[pulsar stump]

is there a way to figure out what part of the newer update crashes way more and put that on hold (and release rest of the mod update)? if theres a way to help you test, im up for it, i just wanna have more features for this great mod! or abandon that and add something else instead?

[pulsar stump]

also, could there be more options connected with z-lock/roll? as in nothing, z-lock, consant roll, discard pitch, discard yaw?

discard pitch would try rotating the missile so that the relative pitch axis would be useless (so enemy is always held on left or right of missiles relative rotation), and discard yaw would do the same for yaw. it could allow for more compact missiles to have at least some good and realistic performance without the need of using the normal fin blocks (or alternatively adding the drag block can work, but i know there could be challanges with that too)

[half garnet]

so, i was planning on removing all the useless stuff from the update (drag block, it's technically still there, just the color based detection is commented out) and then uploading it on a test branch

but i am lazy

also need to decide what to do about secondary colors (i could switch primary/secondary around to sorta fix the issue at the cost of having to re-set all missiles) so i'm kinda in a decision paralysis

[pulsar stump]

maybe an additional "fix blocks" button can be added, which will see if the primary colors are normal or secondary colors are. when secondary, then you do a switcheroo, although that might be too much effort

[half garnet]

ya, am laaazy

[pulsar stump]

i would say switch them around, and add a note on the info screen that the new version has the colors switched which requires everything to be reconfigured. and maybe upload the old version (1.4.5) in case anyone wants to use that?

ye, the old and new versions can be useful if u dont remember the config of the missile

Also, i know ur lazy but could you show host options in the info screen for all players (to see, not to edit)? Would help with ocassional debugging without the need to ask the host what their settings are

[pulsar stump]

also, is the drag block not there because it randomizes drag of all eyeballs? or because it adds drag to all eyeballs? cause what if another block would be used as drag block? maybe it could even have the activation distance and have a trail of particles behind it (for cooler missile look)

now i realized it may not be a solution since drag may be needed to be customizable on per block basis

[half garnet]

Both, 1: missiles would behave differently from each other cause of the random
2: if you have that same block elsewhere on the creation you'll have wonky behaviour

[pulsar stump]

ye, i just realized theres no way to get around the randomness, but about 2, you can always choose a fairly niche block, like the lab flask, or bottle, jack-o-lantern or the siren. but ye if its random then the only way is to fake drag sadly

[pulsar stump]

@half garnet sorry for the ping, but i need ur help 😦 i tried adding the drag blocks, but i must have accidentally deleted sth or idk, caused another problem, cuz now i get "tried to index a nil value" on line 1018 once at the start, and then it spams the same error but line 403

here the source code, i got no clue what i did but i messed something up

i tried marking every change i did with a comment --CHANGE but now im not sure if i have indeed marked every change

[pulsar stump]

edited the code, now it only throws an error about line 403, which checks for DragBlocks[PlayerId][Key2].Seat.Exists(), and the DragBlocks[PlayerId][Key2].Seat is null, so it explodes. no clue why its null, or to be more precise, no clue why other seats arent null

[pulsar stump]

maybe fixed it, imma try to make the physics work (not sure if it works yet). when im done, should i dm you the code @half garnet? ill also explain the changes i did, just to make sure you wont be jumpscared by a random piece of code left somewhere in there

-# again sorry for ping, just wanna make sure u see this

[half garnet]

Don't worry about pings, I'm fine with them ||also discord is deciding to not show me where they come from||

But sure, just dm if you don't want to clutter here, or send here so people don't need to wait for me to update the workshop

[pulsar stump]

k, ill dm you then (tho not the code yet since i have a small problem, which is very weird)

[half garnet]

I'll check it in a bit

[pulsar stump]

good, because im at a dead end (unless i do some funky shit, which i dont want to do)

[half garnet]

I like funky shit tho

Approximately 40% of the mod is funky shit

[pulsar stump]

well, the drag block reacts to the speed of the launch aircraft, even when it gets disconnected, so the missile does some funky shit

[half garnet]

Tracker block speed is already calculated, you might be able to pair every drag block with a tracker block and get a mostly good result

Correction, it's calculated only on missiles with leading enabled (for performance reasons)

[pulsar stump]

unless you use the drag blocks for bombs, or fins, or anything else. i might want to try and steal the way you calculate tho, just to have an easier time implementing it

[half garnet]

It's calculated in the basic way, check position against old frame, multiply by passed time, save new position

[pulsar stump]

lets see if ill be able to implement it (or to be precise lets see how spectacularly ill fail)

[half garnet]

Remember that speed is is world based, but if you want different drags those have to be local

[pulsar stump]

no clue what you mean by that but the code seems to work perfectly when the block is on the launch plane, so apparently i included that

[half garnet]

I mean that whenever you apply the opposite force to the block you need to consider block rotation

Else it's as if the "fin" doesn't turn

[pulsar stump]

oh, yea no thats like the first thing i did lol

[half garnet]

Cool, I probably would have forgotten :p

[pulsar stump]

but, new error, so progress! i cant access field OldPos

question is why?

[half garnet]

Perhaps since it doesn't exist on the first frame?

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-interesting-intrigued-curious-thinking-gif-8065719971509630412

maybe

how do i create the field then?

and how do i even check if a field exists

[half garnet]

Where are you storing the new position?

I'm guessing in the same table with the Modblock

[pulsar stump]

yes

or like the same table where i save the Strength and Activation distance

[half garnet]

Then when that table is created also add an oldpos field with an empty vector

[pulsar stump]

i think i did tho...

[half garnet]

I should probably have added a comment to what Id any block had...

Give me half an hour and i'll see

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/exasperated-michael-scott-gif-13179415001013058912

im an idiot

instead of accessing BlTable.OldPos, i was trying BlTable.Block.OldPos

[half garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/po-facepalm-gif-27277915

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-861307429588714033

NO! every time i try to respawn, the game crashes

the crashing one

[half garnet]

Log says anything useful?

[pulsar stump]

am checking rn

the mod log says the speed is not a number, so i assume thats what happens

[half garnet]

Log the positions and time and see what's wrong

Tho the mod should register the blocks well after they get properly spawned

[pulsar stump]

i dont think its the problem with the new blocks, it might be a problem with the old blocks that get destroyed

🤔

its not a number, and then it explodes

🤔 🤔 🤔

fixed it!

works!

ok, crashed again, but thats my bad, i inputed a value thats too high. lemme fix it rq

fixed it! (i think)

@half garnet if u wanna see all the shenanigans and jankiness we can join into a call

[half garnet]

It's getting close to midnight, so I think I'll pass

[pulsar stump]

alright

[half garnet]

Tomorrow perhaps

[astral laurel]

missile mod stuff is happing

hip hip hooray

[pulsar stump]

hopefully tomorrow it will be done

[half garnet]

I mean earlier tomorrow

Which might be later today for you

[pulsar stump]

doubt it, unless you go to sleep rn and wake up in like an hour or so, otherwise its gonna be tomorrow for me too

[half garnet]

Ye, doubt that'll happen

[pulsar stump]

ok, it seems to work perfectly fine, and its so COOL!

i would call that a great success

now, i am gonna look into adding particles, unless JESS2005 wants to do it (im worried im gonna break shit)

[astral laurel]

jess is tired

probably

11:43 pm is not very ideal

[half garnet]

Not that tired

But i'm trying to keep a decent sleep schedule

[astral laurel]

anyways particles seems to be another things that just might make everything go boom

as in the game

[pulsar stump]

no i dont mean rn (muh brain is a mush), just in general

[half garnet]

Particles do be an annoying thing

There isn't really any straight forward way to add them

[pulsar stump]

damn it

[astral laurel]

people could find ways to just put mad science block on it or something

[pulsar stump]

ye but thats a 2x2 block with annoying connections, i would prefer to just have particles from the drag block (or to set engine particles to the ones dragon jets use)

[half garnet]

Iirc the best I found was to just scale down the CoolJumpWhatever and move the asset around to make flames

But no smoke

Possibly lava asset for smoke

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-gif-25749073

[astral laurel]

doesnt chirpo plane have smoke too

[pulsar stump]

well, at least we have drag blocks

[pulsar stump]

since u like funky shit, here:

and yes, it works in space

or well you know, the air resistance works

[pulsar stump]

Can you Ping me or dm me when you are free?

[astral laurel]

@half garnet this new?

and assuming this is the other guy from earlier

[half garnet]

Perhaps

There is also an unlisted one from like last week

I'd say go for his version, the drag block is fixed

[astral laurel]

is there a color for it?

[half garnet]

Light gray

It's written in the UI

[astral laurel]

yea i just opened it got it

👍

also is it direction dependent?

[half garnet]

Front to back drag doesn't exist

Doesn't care about roll

[astral laurel]

are the missiles meant to not explode on target blocks?

[half garnet]

Oh no.....

Are they not?

[astral laurel]

i think they can...

but its completely differnet compared to players

lemme test a bit

the mine is in fact on and set to 65 blocks distance

[astral laurel]

does the same thing on current ws version

[kind prism]

Bros a D1 lurker

[half garnet]

-_-

[pulsar stump]

it is. front and back use the FrontStrength, the sides use the Strength

[astral laurel]

i dont use flares that much but they arent exploding on them either, assuming they are supposed to (they are just target blocks with extra steps)

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180

ill try looking into it

[half garnet]

Are you suuure you are targeting them in the settings?

[astral laurel]

yes

[half garnet]

AAAAAAHHH

[astral laurel]

dont think they can get much closer than this

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/mdr-gif-18285088358737753438

fixed it

[astral laurel]

phew

[pulsar stump]

but the game crashed

hmmmm

maybe that line of code was there on purpose

apparently whatever that line of code was doing, it was meant to be gone by the release version

experimental branch should have the change applied now

@astral laurel could u check if for u it explodes (the experimental branch uploaded by me has the change)

[half garnet]

||i did a whoopsie||

[astral laurel]

yes give me one moment

[pulsar stump]

Imprtant thing is that now it should be fixed

[astral laurel]

either its not working or it didnt update properly

[pulsar stump]

Crap. Can you unsub and resub?

[astral laurel]

yes

relaunched the game 1 moment

ok maybe it just didnt update because new buttom refresh block

[astral laurel]

ok yes it is working

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-kitty-cat-happy-excited-gif-10302657046876115666

[astral laurel]

1 more test with an airborne target and a missile

👍

works

[pulsar stump]

Good 👍

[astral laurel]

and flares too

[pulsar stump]

Anything else that isnt working that seems like it should have?

[astral laurel]

have not messed with drag blocks much

just gotta see how the values work and everything

[pulsar stump]

I made a whole new jet thats dependent on them to fly

[pulsar stump]

Tldr, strength for sideways drag, frontstrength for front-back drag

[astral laurel]

alright 👍

god damn it this coloring bug is annoying

[pulsar stump]

Yep, it is

Sometimes i can get around it, but no clue what kind of shenanigans allow me to do that

[astral laurel]

i have a feeling its dependent on the session, where some blocks work just fine while others do not at all, so its inconsistent

[pulsar stump]

Maybe, tho hopefully we will find a way to overcome it

[zenith adder]

is the thruster editing working yet? if not thats ok because im just wondering

[half garnet]

There haven't been any game updates so... No

Might have to wait for trailmakers 2

[astral laurel]

yea its completely out of jess's hands, it is a bug introducted in hotfix 2 that affects every mod that has anything to do with coloring objects. we would need to wait until trailmakers 2.0 update before anything will be fixed as it has been announced there will be no more hotfixes

[pulsar stump]

i have been able to edit the thrust of thrusters that already were edited before (so taken from a previous creation). apparently it doesnt work for everyone, but for me this did work

[astral laurel]

someone go back to 1.8 and make thrusters with powers 100-2000 with increments of 100 or so

actually my laptop might have 1.8 installed on it

[pulsar stump]

wouldnt just the power of 2000 work? cuz you can always set its max power lower, right?

[hollow summit]

Just use steam db codes its really easy to downgrade

[lethal silo]

havent been on trailmakers in a while. The missile mod thrust values still not working? or is that on my end?

[lethal silo]

damn. Alright, Thanks dude

[pulsar stump]

added the trail to thruster blocks

[astral laurel]

holy that looks nice

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/iceage-possum-peaceout-gif-2272177960667492692

tho particles now crash when respawning

i think i know why (thank you errors in the log) but idk how to fix it yet

doesnt happen too often, so until someone shows me a way to replicate it idk how to fix it

so close yet so far

[pulsar stump]

a new "smart" option was made by me for the mine. with this option enabled, trigger range will put the mine in a primed state. when the missile is in a primed state AND it is going away from its intended target, it will explode. this means that missiles will use the almost most optimal spot to explode, but they might not always explode (the missile might hit the target, destroying the mine and not exploding at all. im not 100% sure this can happen, but im fully expecting it to)

[grizzled tree]

i have a small question waht is the distance like waht would be a good distance too track somone it says distance(blocks) i am not sure waht this means directly

[pulsar stump]

the distance there is the activation distance, aka the distance the tracker has to travel before it activates. the tracker can detect stuff at an unlimited range

[grizzled tree]

oh i see

and the strength is probably how hard the rocket pushes too get too its target right ?

[astral laurel]

on torque mode yes its how much force to rotate the missile

[grizzled tree]

ok i see and waht is force mode ?

[half garnet]

Moves the missile towards the target, mainly intended for guided bombs

[astral laurel]

except i heard its not great

havent tested it much

[pulsar stump]

at long ranges its not great, cuz either
missile doesnt have enough power at short ranges
or
missile has too much power at long ranges

but its infuriatingly good when designed for short range only

[grizzled tree]

intresting so i could drop my big he bomb out off my bomberplane and it would be a guided one

[kind prism]

green name 🎉

[astral laurel]

hes had it for a while now

he has reached final level

[valid warren]

soon i'll be blue

[misty zealot]

nice

[cloud anvil]

da ba dee?

[kind prism]

real

[astral laurel]

how difficult would getting per player block type be?

[half garnet]

It's already planned

Just... Issues...

[astral laurel]

so basically never

[half garnet]

I was planning to make it this week before stuff happened

[astral laurel]

[pulsar stump]

Ill try to fiddle with it tomorrow and see if i understand anything

[astral laurel]

our lord and savior

[half garnet]

Remember to make it save settings between sessions

If you want

[astral laurel]

would that be possible? unless your talking about per host

[half garnet]

Per host of course

We still can't save/read data into Clint computers

[pulsar stump]

Kinda bad, but also potential security concerns

So fair enough

[cloud anvil]

OH NO SAVING A TEXT FILE

SECURITY IS DEAD

extremely dangerous trailmakers mod malware: mod saves a text file to the dynamic directory that says "please delete system 32 for me thank you"

[surreal ice]

The main issue is likely syncing everything through the network, since mods are run server side. If the operations are synchronous that network synchronization could easily freeze the game for a bit if you are trying to write a lot of data as networks are slow

[cloud anvil]

mesh and texture loading

[surreal ice]

That communication is unidirectional and the mod can't read any information about if it has been done already, so it's much simpler to do it asynchronously

[half garnet]

I'd just need a get and a post, but relative to a vitim's folder

(if i wanted to be real fancy and http requests were a thing i could host people's data)

[pulsar stump]

how about for now, no saving? and saving can be dealt with later

[pulsar stump]

the different blocks seem to work

ill push the update in a sec

any bugs found should be reported

[astral laurel]

oh yea i was trying out smart detonation and was just error spammed

i do enjoy the sound effect when an explosion is triggered

[pulsar stump]

can u give me logs (preferrably from right after being spammed? or the time when you were spammed?)

[pulsar stump]

thanks! i thought it could help to differenciate when the missile hit something, and when it hit a mountain

tho it still leaves room to learn when it explodes on a target and when on a flare

[astral laurel]

im not at my pc currently i could probably get it today sometime

[astral laurel]

ok heres immedietly after the error

the missile was working fine initially, after i backspaced and the missile hit its target is when it was spammed

i was using a target block and not a player

[pulsar stump]

ah, that one. ye, im not great at mod making, especially since im new to trailmakers mod making, so i got no clue how to approach this problem. i hope tho that JESS2005 does

[astral laurel]

i think its just literally failing to get the tracker info once its been kaboomed

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/tomorrow-eventually-gif-23712968

[winged wyvern]

replace .Exists() with if <expected thing that should have a value> then

fun thing about return variables is if theyre not null or 0 this will always work

[winged wyvern]

this is why i usually initialize functions with a failsafe state incase it doesnt find anything

it really helps when stuff goes wrong but it is kind of like silent failing

doesnt spam the hell out of the "mod failed to load"

[winged wyvern]

something i use as an alternative usually is <variable i expect> or <fallback value> where if the variable i expect fails to even exist itll just return to the fallback

(i use it on tm.vector.Create)
-# tm.vector3.Create(x or 0, y or 0, z or 0)

i wonder if the interpreter even supports meta functions

[astral laurel]

will any test branch features be coming to the main mod?

[half garnet]

Possibly, why do you ask?

Joining multiplayer servers that are using the main one?

[astral laurel]

just in general, they've just been sitting dormant in there i feel like some integration would be nice

[half garnet]

Well, since it seems that any update to the main one makes it even more unstable than it is right now, so like this people get a choice between stable or features

They will get ported to the main if stable enough (and I come back to modding)

[astral laurel]

main thing is whatever caused tracker blocks not work with proximity mines, besides that not much else is urgent

[regal sky]

do yall know why the start active function wont work for my camera thing

[untold monolith]

@half garnet Sorry for ping, but our trackers wont save settings and wont work, is there a way to fix this or not?

Me and @regal sky are playing with eachother

[regal sky]

they dont save setting when i click off of them [including exiting build mode]

[astral laurel]

nope, it was a bug introduced on one of the hotfixes and its completely in the devs hands
jess has no control and probably wont be fixed until 2.0

[astral laurel]

^

[regal sky]

damn

[untold monolith]

Ok..

[astral laurel]

its an odd bug, so coloring sometimes works,
but grabbing settings from old blocks stll works

[regal sky]

thanks, i just strapped a aim-9 i made to a camera mount and it works 👍

[untold monolith]

this is what he means

we doin flybys for a vid

[regal sky]

ye

[bright granite]

Anyone know why when i set a thruster to a value, it resets when I click off?

[astral laurel]

really wish OP can pin in forums

[exotic storm]

Old thrusters keep their set values tho, so if you have any old builds you can repurpose the thrusters

[astral laurel]

have a thruster set to something high like 5000, you can set its speed value for specific values

[winged wyvern]

you can fix them already

function names changed, thats all

up to the mod maker to update it though

[half garnet]

They didn't change...?

The set secondary color function is still the same, I'm quite sure

If it changed then nothing would save anymore, yet some things do

[winged wyvern]

i fixed the color block mod, and the thruster mod

they work as intended

you only have to forest through the api, find what the old one was, and what the new one is in its place

though it doesnt make it better when i cant actually get to the guy who made the mod to tell them hey go fix it

[half garnet]

So... What did you actually change?

[winged wyvern]

for the thruster mod i found out having it run twice works, but for the functions themselves i only updated their names

for the color block mod that was actually the only thing breaking

precisely only this section, actually

block.SetPrimaryColor apparently used to be called differently
making the function crash entirely

so gotta watch out for function name changes

theyre few but they can cause mayhem

[half garnet]

Yeah, no, those were changed quite some time ago, the missile mod has the correct ones

[surreal ice]

The old functions are deprecated

[astral laurel]

made a simple warning sound for when you're being actively tracked

gonna attempt to add an option to disable and enable the sounds

ok figured out how to disable it but only through host options

[hollow summit]

thats not the right pitch

[astral laurel]

its not based on any specific RWR sounds, as i have no control over the pitch

[hollow summit]

what is the pitch coming from then

[astral laurel]

its a modded sound

[hollow summit]

im just saying you should probably pitch it down if you can since it sounds like my oven and its kinda annoying

[astral laurel]

again, modding doesnt let me do that im stuck with that specific beep sound

also i think you'd kind of wanna know when you're about to die
host can also disabe it

[hollow summit]

its just an mp3 type thing and to change it you would have to make a new sound?

[astral laurel]

no, tm provides a specific list of sounds that are able to be used
theres no way to add custom audio so im completely stuck to using a "test beep" sound that is in there

i am completely unable to change what it sounds like at all

[hollow summit]

thank you for explaining it that makes sense

[pulsar stump]

for them experimental branch enjoyers, me and JESS2005 were able to add an "Aerotracker" block. this block works by scaling the force on the tracker with speed (linearly or quadratically, depends on what you choose) to allow fore some more interesting missile behavior. ill update the experimental branch with it, but first i gotta write a small explanation in the mod, since the strength number is split weirdly (the integer part is actually the max force that can be experienced by the tracker, the decimal part is how much it scales, so 20.9 means that the strength will be "speed*0.9" limited to a max of 20)

[pulsar stump]

actually i was also thinking about adding an RWR, but i didnt want that sound to get confused with the mine exploding, so i wondered if a GUI could work, but havent heard of a way to draw anything (not even in ascii art since we dont get nice characters for that) and i didnt find a way to get a new window to open

[hollow summit]

I mean there is this

the box has text next to it

[pulsar stump]

afaik thats done by teleporting custom objects, which would look jittery if you run your game at something more than 60fps (since the mods are run at 60 tps iirc)

or to be precise run the game at 60 fps or more and move at high speeds

[hollow summit]

doesn't this game only run a 60fps no matter what you're doing

[pulsar stump]

not the visuals

[astral laurel]

with vsync and a 60hz monitor yes
but all of the physics calculations are on 60 fps

[hollow summit]

my monitor never does more than 60fps so i never knew

[urban shell]

The game wont let me do “start active” on the experimental branch

Anyone else having problems with that?

[pulsar stump]

probably everyone else, a game patch broke the coloring function and now that happens. i suggest finding a tracker that has it enabled or setting the distance to be negative (idk if it works on the tracker)

[urban shell]

Ok thx

[astral laurel]

just setting it to 0 works

[winged wyvern]

you might be able to do perplayer options easily though

[astral laurel]

yea im not smart enough for that

[winged wyvern]

i believe you dont even need to be its a single table with a boolean per id

Allowsound = {false,false,false,false,false,false,false,false}```

[astral laurel]

i dont believe i get a player id for the targets data, its simply a position without any player associated to it

[winged wyvern]

then just have it parse whoever clicked it and then just swap the value

oh "a position" is good enough tho

you can check for threshold of distance

[astral laurel]

theres also the issue of tracker blocks, which id have to see who owns them first

look i doubt this is gonna go any further than what its at right now, just a proof of concept to see if im able to work in other code and implement new features

im just not gonna bother going more into it

[winged wyvern]

fair enough xd

[pulsar stump]

ok, i actually updated the mod and added the description of how it operates in the mod description. may not be super intuitive for some (if not for many), but it was made like this cuz im afraid of potentially corrupting/breaking the split values

[lucid salmon]

one question. how do i get start active to work it just keeps undoing itself

[astral laurel]

you can still use an old tracker that has the setting activated already
otherwise its difficult to change it

[half garnet]

or just set the activation distance to <0

[raw lichen]

for some reason changing thruster values either doesnt save, or it crashes my game.

actually, its not letting me edit anything.

[opaque quartz]

Been like this for a while now

[opaque quartz]

Old thrusters and trackers still work properly

Just take old thrusters off of builds

[cerulean horizon]

About the experimental branch for custom missile mod, 1( is there a seperate thread fro the experimental branch) and 2( is the loft/areo tracker not finished or bugged? it wont track for me and doesnt seem to be lofting at all when paired with the normal tracker)

[pulsar stump]

1. dont think theres a seperate one
2. its not finished per say, but i got it working well. its just that i cant be bothered to make it more easily usable since lazyness. it shouldnt loft when paired with the normal one, since the normal one has the loft permamently disabled (due to slowly running out of savable values)

could you tell me what strength value you inputted into the aerotracker?

[cerulean horizon]

2500

[pulsar stump]

1. you dont need that much (i am pretty sure, since my missiles are rather accurate and have 100x less strength)
2. the aerotracker uses the integer part (the whole number part) of the strength value as the MAXIMUM strength, and the decimal/fraction part (the thing after the decimal point) as the thing that gets multiplied by speed (or speed squared, if "quadratically proportional" is selected)

right now, the MAXIMUM value is 2500, but the thing to multiply is 0 (since its 2500.000...). so speed*0 will always turn out to be 0, so no strength

[pulsar stump]

actually point 1 depends heavily on the missile blueprint and values in there

[cerulean horizon]

could we vc or something? i have a hard time understanding texts and i am way better at showing than explaining (unless youre busy ofc)

[pulsar stump]

in a minute, ok?

[cerulean horizon]

okay

[pulsar stump]

vc3?

[cerulean horizon]

sure

[knotty nacelle]

i apologise if this has already been mentioned but each time i change the value of an engine and exit build mode it has no thrust and when i re-enter build mode the engine ends up having negative thrust as shown in the screenshot

[knotty nacelle]

damn that sucks

[wintry radish]

Can someone give me some decent missiles?

Or some crative ways to use the blocks?

Creative*

[wintry radish]

also, I can't hear any audio for being tracked

[slender shell]

this is a really good missile i made, you will need to remove the inputs on detachable block, thruster and dynamite

[exotic storm]

You can use “dead inputs” (idk if theres an actual name for it so I made one up) so that it wont reset to default, just put a key you would never normally press in all the inputs you dont use

[wintry radish]

thanks

[slender shell]

Thanks for the tip

[pulsar stump]

wdym? afaik the mod doesnt have any audio queues for being tracked, the only one that i know of is the "your mine exploded" sound which is only in the experimental branch

[wintry radish]

One time the orange pfp guy sent a video in here showing audio for being tracked

[astral laurel]

i modified the mod to do that, never has been uploaded by jess or me

[wintry radish]

alright

[slender shell]

found a reason why the server crashes with custom missiles mod. when a explosion is spawned it does some weird stuff that makes the server crash when people join

this is something i noticed in all mods which spawn explosions

a way to fix it is by using tm.physics.ClearAllSpawns() after the explosion was spawned

[astral laurel]

@half garnet this might be important maybe

[half garnet]

hmm, i'll have to try and see if the steam comments keep on going

let's hope

[astral laurel]

tbh i rarely crashed using the mod in singleplayer and the other times were probably related to the 2000+ comp i had spawned

[slender shell]

i first noticed it in 2 of my mods and then tested it with a friend on custom missiles mod and it had the same issue so from there i made a simple mod that just spawns a explosion and it also had the issue

i think it's just a goofy thing about spawning explosions

[pulsar stump]

hmmmm, now the question becomes if that will screw up the trails for the thrusters on the experimental branch?

[half garnet]

Hmm

@slender shell have you tried if doing .Despawn() for the explosion obj also fixes it or still crashes

[slender shell]

no

i don't even know what it does lol

[half garnet]

Just what it advertizes

Deletes said object

Should have the same effect as ClearAllSpawns but without... Clearing all

[slender shell]

why do explosions need 2 ticks to spawn?

[half garnet]

Sorry, .Despawn(), .Destroy() is for structures

[slender shell]

.Despawn() i have tried but it was very scuffed and now i'm pretty sure it didn't work because i didn't use it corectly

i'm gonna try it again really quick

[half garnet]

cool

[slender shell]

it does work

this is the code
time = 0

function update()
time = time + 1

if time < 2 then

    explosion = tm.physics.SpawnObject(tm.vector3.Create(10, 310, 10), "PFB_Explosion_Large")

    
elseif time < 3 then
    explosion.Despawn()
end

end

[half garnet]

hm, annoying... but it could be done

[pulsar stump]

for all the custom missile mod experimental branch enjoyers, here are some notes on the latest update:
-fixed lofting, should no longer make the missiles easier to G-pull (loft decreases based on time to impact, not distance to target)
-added camera controls menu: allows to look from the perspective of the missile (not exactly, but good enough of an explanaition). number sets which aerotracker to follow, button enables or disables it (going out of the menu also automatically disables tracking)
-added "Dist to threat: 1/2" indicator. first number is distance to you (from the closest aerotracker that sees you), second number is distance to your target blocks (from the closest aerotracker that sees the target blocks)

[wise axle]

I'm having an issue where the trackers on my torpedoes are constantly active, even when I have the "start active" option disabled, and it's constantly making my submarine point towards the nearest target

[acoustic smelt]

radar

WOW the gif quality is terrible but basically yeah

one of the lights are blinkin cuz it detects that player to the right

[pulsar stump]

what tracking distance did you set?

[wise axle]

there's a tracking distance?

also I resolved the issue by setting the activation distance to 1 block

[pulsar stump]

Ye no sorry i meant the activation distance, not tracking distance. Confused the name

[wise axle]

Can you edit the strength of the rocket thrusters?

It doesn't seem to do anything

[astral laurel]

yes but a bug from 1.9 hotfix broke mod coloring, which means thruster editing doesnt work for now
it will be fixed when 2.0 comes out

[wise axle]

Roger

[pulsar stump]

Wait, will it be fixed?

[astral laurel]

yes, i tested it out on creator branch it seems to be working

[pulsar stump]

Nice!

[junior turret]

[astral laurel]

thanks jamie ❤️

[acoustic smelt]

oh yes

finally i dont have to keep saving 2 balls and 1 thruster to use in builds

[acoustic smelt]

ok nvm the mod is even more broken now

the trackers and thrusters dont work after you launch them, they only work when you repair after they are launched

[astral laurel]

repairing was inherently changed, the way repair detecting worked in the mod probably doesnt work as well

that was technically an already existing issue

just make sure in the mod menu the tracker count reflects how many you actually have to make sure they’re actually working

[half garnet]

Should be an easy fix, either delay the check or doing it after the player stops holding r, so long as the problem is this simple I'm relatively happy

[spark cloud]

is the missiles mod fixed?

[slender shell]

the thruster editing is still broken =/, the ones edited before the 1.9.3 update still work

[pulsar stump]

if anyone is willing, i wanna test out the crashing and a potential fix for it. ping me if anyone is available

[slender shell]

i know 100% what one of the reasons of crashing is, i tested this with my mods and custom missiles mod.
The issue is the PFB_Explosion, if you spawn it and it explodes then, when a player joins, the server will crash. Imagine the PFB_Explosion as a catalyst that makes the server crash when players join
There is a fix to this by using .Despawn() to despawn the explosion after it has exploded. On my explosive minigun mod i do this by storing the explosions in a table and then having a for loop, in function update(), that despawns the explosions after 2 ticks.

[pulsar stump]

ye, i heard of that. do you know if despawning them in the OnPlayerJoin thingy is okay? or should i despawn before that ever gets activated? cuz rn i got a fix that:

1. despawns all the explosions when someone joins
2. despawns all of explosions that playerX spawned when playerX repairs/refreshes blocks

[slender shell]

1- i tried, it did not work

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

gotta do it the worse way (the harder for me way)

[slender shell]

2- you run the risk of someone joining after the explosion but before the update -> crash

[pulsar stump]

i know, i have both of them for now

[slender shell]

also i don't know why explosions are like this, this feels like another bug in the api

[pulsar stump]

ye, sounds like it

[pulsar stump]

Also, doesnt the despawning of explosions after 2 ticks get rid of their particles?

[slender shell]

After 2 ticks no particles dissapear, idk about after 1 tick

I use 2 ticks because of how explosions need 1 tick to spawn and explode, it's something like tick 0 - you spawn the explosion in the code, tick 1 the explosion explodes and does damage, tick 2 nothing happens

If you despawn it after one tick the explosion won't explode

[slender shell]

The particles aren't connected to the PFP_Explosion you despawn, those will still be there even if you despawn the explosion

[pulsar stump]

Alr, good to know! Ill try to inplement it and test it later

Thanks for answering!

[pulsar stump]

the server did crash after all. ill do the fix now (even though i dont want to 😭). ping me if you can test it with me

[untold monolith]

Are you still working on this mod?

[half garnet]

pesonally i've been quite busy with non-tm related stuff recently, once i'm done with that i'll fix the main problems with the mod and probably disappear again, the fact that it becomes more unstable every time i make an update lowers my will to work on it quite a bit

[half garnet]

if you want one that still gets updates you should check the updated version by him

[pulsar stump]

expanded the mod description to include the camera controls and the distance to target:

Camera controls:
-number selects which aerotracker to track, in order of activation.
-1 is the first one, 2 is the second one, 0 is the last one activated
-the camera follows the trackers position, although it may sometimes missallign at higher speeds
-if the viewed aerotracker sees a target, the camera points straight towards it. if the viewed aerotracker is not targetting anything, the camera faces forwards

Dist to target:
-first number reads out the smallest distance between any tracker (that is tracking you) and you
-second number reads out the smallest distance between any tracker (that is tracking your target block) and the target block
-helps as a missile shot warning, helps with timing evasion and judging whether the missile will hit you or not (if the missile has limited energy)

might also make a thumbnail later
(added it now)

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.1 patch notes:
now to the camera controls panel additional info was included:
-Time to Impact: approximate time until a collision with the target by the currently selected aerotracker
-Dist to target: distance from the selected aerotracker to its target
-Relative speed: how quickly the selected aerotracker is closing the distance to the target

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.2 patch notes:
removed the dist to target and relative speed, seemed to cause lag in the mod which was unbearable. lmk if the TTI itself causes lag

1.4.Test.3 patch notes:
-added back the dist to target without making the mod laggy (but lmk if it is laggy for you)
-prevented lofting from making the missile go down (not sure if this actually happened, but the possibility is no longer there)

[rugged siren]

I've been having an issue with the thruster power editor, every time I use it it gives me some absurd number like -0.00684

Is this a known issue?

Editing it to the number I want does nothing

[exotic storm]

use old edited thrusters, they still work and you should be able to change their value still as well (as long as you don't change the secondary colour)

[half garnet]

the absurd number is the green part of the secondary color of the block (that's how i store the power), that's supposed to be like that, the problem is that now mods fail to change it, so when you change value, it tries to paint the block, fails and nothing changes

[rugged siren]

ohh i see thanks :]

[rugged siren]

this worked, thanks a bunch

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.4 patch notes:
-added additional info to logging (player joined log now has player id included), should help with debugging
-added a "follow distance" value to the camera controls menu
-added labels for missile selection and following distance selection

1.4.Test.5 patch notes:
-fixed inproper scaling for the follow distance when tracking targets

(i know rn the offset seems to change if moving at high speeds, however i do not know why or how much, so its hard for me to combat this properly)

[barren sail]

I know this is a missile mod but I made a silly dogfighting drone with it and its pretty cool

[pulsar stump]

sad news to the missile mod enjoyers, the new update started clamping color values. sadly, this means that any block where a value was not set between 0 and 1 will not work properly, and due to the fact that pretty much all blocks were like that, the mod is totally broken. DO NOT OVERWRITE your creations that had missiles in them after changing them, as color clamping seems to happen as soon as its placed in the builder, which will break the settings on all blocks used.

TLDR:
new update completely broke a fundemental part of the mod, unfixable by @half garnet or by me, this can only be fixed by the devs. lets hope it will be fixed soon.
for now, it was nice shooting missiles at you o7

[surreal ice]

unfortunately colors had to be clamped to fix the annoying "black hole" colors that resulted from invalid colors

[pulsar stump]

ye, found that. and tbh the patch notes make me think that the value got clamped before displaying it, not before saving it. thats not to mention that (at least from my understanding) only some blocks caused that, so at least clamp those, not every singe one 😭

[surreal ice]

afaik it applied to all blocks, it was simply used more on some blocks like shields because in those the color of the block also controls the color of the effects and as a result had a greater effect

[pulsar stump]

huh, weird. never saw any of the eyes, teeth or pipes have that (since those are the ones i used as trackers)

[surreal ice]

probably because people simply didn't care to use it on those when shields had a much bigger effect

[pulsar stump]

guess for a limited amount of time there is the previous version of trailmakers (in betas), but after that its RIP mod

[pulsar stump]

ye no i mean i didnt notice any weird displays when i was using those blocks, unless the settings had to be weird and it never got to that point on my trackers

[surreal ice]

afaik this mod didn't usually trigger the behavior (maybe if you tried to force it it could), so that's why you didn't see it, but that doesn't mean someone intentionally trying to trigger it could do so with those blocks

[astral laurel]

im pretty sure you need an external tool in order to create it, modding shouldn't be able to do it

[pulsar stump]

ye, im trying rn with the CMM (although giant numbers for all RGB) on the previous version, and i cant get it to work. the eyeball didnt do anything weird, and i cant change the shield because of the coloring bug that was/is in the game

oh well, if someone will know whether this will be reverted/changed/fixed then please ping me, idk if i will be checking up with the discord

[half garnet]

maybe it's tied to the alpha value..? the mod doesn't change it (honestly a mistake on my part, i just realised i can store 33% more data) for any devs reading, it might be worth a try

[vital sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[unborn heart]

value got clamped before displaying it

Would this fix not be viable?
Or potentially an api supported alternative for modblocks/mods being able to store values within blocks that are saved into blueprints. Only thing is, that if builds are using modded blocks in them, they would require the mod to load them or have to option to delete the modded parts similar to accessories that the player hasn't "purchased" with the in-game gold.
It was really nice how the settings would persist within the blueprints.

[unborn heart]

Another thought: If alpha values don't affect any block colors in-game (I don't know if this is entirely true as there is technically the glass-like textures), what if they were left un-clamped so mod developers could use that for storage?

Either way, it's a shame to see such a fun mod become unusable

[astral laurel]

don't hope for a fix anytime soon. the modding API was never really the highest priority of things in the game, especially for hotfixes/patches. yes there could possibly be alternatives but those are likely gonna be way more complex and are gonna take a lot more time to implement. so just don't get your hopes up 😢

[slender shell]

If it is clamped to 0-1, could you divide the value to something like 0.something when painting the eye and then when reading the color just multiplying it back to the value?

[astral laurel]

it isn’t gonna have the same amount of precision

[slender shell]

Is there a limit to how many numbers you can put past the dot? If not you could paint the tracker 0.0000005 and then when you multiply you get 5

[half garnet]

24 in binary technically

Tho i assure you it will definitely start changing values on you, as well as all the already made missiles being broken

[slender shell]

I never thought a day would come when this mod is completely broken by an update

[surreal ice]

Clanping the value before displaying would mean doing the check on each frame, which would likely affect performance (even if no invalid colors are being used). A dedicated api for storing data in blueprints would likely be complex to add, and looking at how low of a priority the modding api has i wouldn't bet on it happening any time soon

[surreal ice]

Yes, although you would lose 3 bits of information per color channel in the best possible case

[surreal ice]

Considering storing data in blueprints has always been a hack, it's not that unexpected

[pulsar stump]

how low of a priority the modding api has

Feels like it has no priority whatsoever tbh, maybe with the exception of map mods

[slender shell]

i'm gonna look into this a bit more and change custom missiles mod, if it is consistent and good i'm gonna send a message here

[pulsar stump]

Ye, were working on that too

And on a tool to convert old blueprints into new ones

[slender shell]

ohh nice, did you get it to work?

[pulsar stump]

not yet, first i wanna see how much i will divide by

if you wanna join in experiments, im thinking ill go into vc1

share the pain

[slender shell]

laright i'm gonna join

[surreal ice]

wasn't jess encoding the value in bytes and then converting those bytes to a float? If that's the case, you don't need to divide, you just need to skip bits 0, 1, and 2 and encode the value in the remaining 29 bits

[half garnet]

No, since i needed to store floats i just set them directly

It also avoided me having to think if I should or not add limits

[surreal ice]

then you need to make sure negative values can't be used and divide by 2^129 for maximum precision (this will make values very close to 0 become exactly 0)

[half garnet]

That seems excessive, sure you allow for all the large numbers, but tiny ones will start to give problems

Even 0.5 should already break

[surreal ice]

dividing by 2^129 is the smallest value that guarantees you won't go above 1. Ideally you would encode your value in 29 bits and then put that into a float for storage rather than using division

[half garnet]

But you see, there is no need to guarantee you can't go above 1

What's gonna happen? TM will clamp it anyway

I don't expect anyone to use 3.402823466 E + 38

[acoustic smelt]

i would

[pulsar stump]

ye no, it seems completely screwed up. 250.00066 rounds the same way as 50.00066 with a divider of 8192 (aka only able to go to 4096 before getting above 1, since positive and negative), so im completely lost on what to do

and rounds the same way as 0.00066....

[surreal ice]

what are the values before and after rounding?

[pulsar stump]

0.00066 -> 0.0004883
120.00066 -> 120.0004883
250.00066 -> 250.0004883

seems like its 11 bits for the decimal place

[surreal ice]

and how are you rounding? That should happen automatically

[pulsar stump]

im rounding up to the 7 decimal figures when displayed. the rest is done by the game. as in, i do:
input (250.00066)
(input + 4096)/(2*4096)
set that to the blocks color.
then read the blocks color, do
color*2*4096-4096
that is the output, aka 250.0004883

[surreal ice]

that's just how float precision works. You are only guaranteed 7 significant digits, but 250.00066 + 4096 = 4346.00066 would require 9

this is the closest number that can actually be represented, which is why after removing 4096 from it you get 250.0004883

[pulsar stump]

and because negative values are also useful, those need to be included, so i need to add the 4096...

cool, so either sacrafice negative numbers, cheese negative numbers somehow, or... give up

[surreal ice]

if positive: multiply by a big number to leave space for negative numbers
if negative: multiply by -1
that maps all numbers to a positive range without changing precision, which you can then scale down for storage. To reverse the operation, check the size of the number to decide how to reverse the mapping. The exact numbers depend on your original range of values

[half garnet]

Little problem

With the new hotfix the steam previous build will likely bring to 2.0.3

Aka, too late

[slender shell]

ouch

[astral laurel]

yes it’s already out

[half garnet]

So, for the few people on previous build (just me probably) don't update

[slender shell]

maybe @pulsar stump is still on it but idk, i've updated because one of the bug fixes is important for a mod i'm making

[half garnet]

At least for you bug fixes are actually fixing stuff....

[slender shell]

not really a fix, it's the distance sensor 0.125 offset thing, which wasn't a problem before

[pulsar stump]

Ive heard of a way to downgrade to an X version, but its too complicated for an average joe

And i still have to fix the colouring....

[pulsar stump]

also, you talked about using the alpha channel for colors, right? but like, how can you use it? i couldnt find it anywhere in the docs

[half garnet]

As well as R G and B you should be able to use A

As in the functions ModColor.A()

I guess the exponent from the rgb could be slapped into the mantissa.... That would be quite cursed, but possibly the best result

[pulsar stump]

is there one like that?

the docs dont mention it

nor the SetSecondaryColor() function

[half garnet]

If you are using the logs from the mod you might have an older version

Hm, alva's documentation does intact lack A

I guess try and see if it actually works

Alpha might have been removed from being able to set it...? I'm sure you could change it once, but there is in fact no mention of it

[slender shell]

i'm trying that right now, currently i have installed 1.9.5 and 2.0.2, hopefully it works

[slender shell]

i'm currently on 2.0.2, there are no servers =/

[surreal ice]

pretty sure you have never been able to set it

[half garnet]

I do remember having a function that took 4 color inputs, before you could get color and ModColor was a thing

[surreal ice]

before that change these were the only references to color

[pulsar stump]

ill try this, thanks for the idea!

[pulsar stump]

ive been trying, and for unknown reasons there always is a weird ass thing that resets all color values when one is in a seemingly arbitrary range, idk why, makes no sense

gotta clear my mind and/or find another way to encode numbers

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

1.4.Test.7.4 patch notes:
-remade the colors coding, sadly lost some precision (thank you @half garnet)
-removed the follow distance option, since it didnt work well

[half garnet]

the default missile mod will also get an update soon

[slender shell]

Nice

[barren sail]

🫡

[acoustic smelt]

so it works now?

how much is losing some precision

[half garnet]

Default not yet, obo's version yes

[half garnet]

The mantissa is 18 bits instead of 23

Which is vague, but unless you want a number with a lot of significant figures it shouldn't cause issues

[astral laurel]

i doubt there is but is there a way to currently get around broken coloring function?

[half garnet]

Couldn't find any, as I mentioned it seems that any block that does stuff can't be edited

[acoustic smelt]

is the default one fixed aswell now

[pulsar stump]

I am unsure if jess went about fixing it yet, but i may do it in a day or two. Its not hard (since the solution is known), but it is quite tedious to fix, as there are hundrets of different lines of code to change, and its not esily doable with find and replace. Yes, quite a bit can be done that way, but it still takes a long time. If you want, i can ping you when the main branch is fixed

[half garnet]

Not yet, been busy with stuff

Soon... Hopefully

[unborn heart]

Just tested out 1.4.Test.7.4, editing thruster power seems to cause game crashes and a few settings on the trackers don't seem to store: Start Active and Z Lock/Use Y Axis
Also just a note: Couldn't figure out the correct purple for the thrusters.
Mines & Drag blocks work.
Flares work.
Not entirely sure what Aerotrackers are.

Seems like the edited thrusters are getting set to a massive number - maybe that is the cause of the crashes?

[pulsar stump]

Ye, the few settings are known. Quirk of the mod api not always coloring stuff correctly.

Aerotrackers are trackers which strength is scaled with speed to give a more realistic feel for the missiles. In the experimental branch deacription there should be an explanaition. Ill look into the thruster crashing game thing, as i havent experienced it myself, but what you say sounds right (assuming the engine gets the "edited" flag but not the actual thrust value)

[half garnet]

Tho now I wonder why the start active doesn't work, it shouldn't be the same reason why thrusters don't... SetColorPrimary might be even more broken than secondary

[pulsar stump]

probably

[orchid blaze]

am i doing something wrong or why is the mod not working at all for me?

[half garnet]

I.. mau have forgotten to upload the fix today... The experimental branch should work tho

[pulsar stump]

Ye, i sure hope i updated the experimental branch and didnt forget to hit upload or anything...

[half garnet]

it is now

[hollow summit]

horray

[acoustic smelt]

yay

thank you

[slender shell]

Did you ever fix spawning explosions causing crashes when people join bug?

[half garnet]

I was planning to also add it, but I ended up being too tired

Who could have guessed playing Wii party till 4am would be tiring...

(I'll add it either today or tomorrow)

[half garnet]

I also need to remember to disable the warning message always appearing once i do that

[half garnet]

9 frames before deleting explosions was enough right?

[half garnet]

welp, mine fix has been uploaded, let me know if it's more stable

[slender shell]

2 frames, frame 0 spawn explosion, frame 1 do nothing(in this frame the explosion damage happens and the particles also spawn), frame 2 despawn explosion

[half garnet]

i'll keep it to 9-16 frames then, it's still a small enough timeframe that players shouldn't be joining in it

[slender shell]

yeah, a 8 tick window isn't that much

[unborn heart]

Just a note: In the both branches I am consistently unable to set some settings and the thruster coloring is still bugged (the thruster power editing).

I assume as you mention that it gets the edited flag, and it seems the value is being set to 1.28687135245419E+34.

Even when placing new thrusters from the builder, they have the same massive value.

[half garnet]

Yeah, thruster coloring is still broken on the game side, the number is just how the secondary color gets decoded, based on whatever secondary you set

[half garnet]

About this, does the thruster have said way too high strength or is it stuck to normal power?

[unborn heart]

As you noted, it's seems to be the current secondary value decoded, it is stuck to said value. The majority of selectable colors are too large, but colors like white and light blue don't crash the game since the power is 0 and 254947.5 which the game seems to be able to handle.

[half garnet]

Hmm

Should i just disable thrusters (you can do that in host options iirc), leave as is? Or create a new system based on the color you set? just that, no precise editing

[vital sapphire]

By the color you set plz

[half garnet]

Of course it's the only solution that actually requires me to do stuff :p

[orchid blaze]

crazy

[hardy jolt]

is there any way to assossiate the start of the tracker with a keybind/logic input ?

[half garnet]

No, it was planned, but postponed due to being able to store little data

[slender shell]

@half garnet , how did you make the thing that stores information on a block with color with only the 0-1 range?

[half garnet]

First the float is converted to binary, (quick float recap: 1b for sign, 8 for exponent (between -127 and 128), and 23 for mantissa (a number between 1 and 2)) the sign and most significant sign bits get replaced with 0s and placed at the end of the mantissa, thus having a number between 0 and 1 (so always positive+mantissa always negative), with the new bits a new float is created and used, opposite for decoding

(technically there is an extra step in the middle, exponents that were too small (don't remember the cutoff) make the number round to 0, so I first convert the bits of the exponents to integer and sum ~100 so it's always between -27 and -1)

This is assuming I am right in remembering that 4 bits of the exponent get moved
Feel free to ask if it was unclear/you want the code

[astral laurel]

anyone know what this is about?

[slender shell]

no idea

[astral laurel]

@fathom current ?
this you?

[fathom current]

Yea. Don’t worry about it. I was messing around with the code from CMM

Please follow the description. Don’t get it

It doesn’t even work. I have no clue what I am doing.

[slender shell]

you should delete them, just so there are less mods that do nothing on the workshop

[pulsar stump]

patch notes for 1.4.Test.7.5:
-"target missiles" should now target both trackers and aerotrackers

[somber birch]

the mod keeps crashing idk why

had 4 crashes in like 10 minuites

[pulsar stump]

Ill check it out when i have some time, tho i cant promise itll be soon, nor can i promise ill find out what the issue is. Also, could you additionally provide the log of the mod? It should be named sth like
"Custom missile mod experimental branch.log" or sth similar

[half garnet]

There is an about 60% chance it's due to thruster power being set too high, but can't confirm that, so try disabling thruster editing from host options.
I'll check better later, but I can promise it won't be soon, I'm swamped at least until next week

And yeah, mod log would be appreciated

[slender shell]

@half garnet i tested the start active on the tracker(normal custom missile mod) and i can't make it save the setting

"activation distance" works normally and also making it 0 works like start active

[half garnet]

that's known, but since it's due to a bug with coloring in general i can't fix it

[slender shell]

ok

[half garnet]

i should probably just make it so pressing it sets the value to 0 by itself

[slender shell]

yeah, that's a good idea

[slender shell]

is it planned to make mines be triggered by target blocks?

[half garnet]

that's... supposed to happen already

[slender shell]

it does not from my testing

[half garnet]

believe it or not you are not the first to report that

tho i can't manage to fix it since i can't reproduce it

[slender shell]

this is what i used to test it

[slender shell]

also on the version of custom missile mod that obojetnie made it is fixed

[astral laurel]

i believe @pulsar stump made a fix at some point for experimental branch but i haven’t really used it because of more frequent crashes and extra feature not important to me

[somber birch]

could be but thrust edit is a key feature in my missiles like my aim120 ish thing

i do have the problem with mines not exploding close to players,targets or anything

could it be a corrupted upload or some uploading bug

[gentle osprey]

So im trying to assign the values to all the different parts of the missile using the eyes, but the values arent saving. When i move on to the next missile in the build mode, the one i worked on previously resets to default 0 settings, any advice?

[dull quartz]

i need help lol😭. whenever i change ANY values espascially thrust my game crashes when i get out of build mode. pls pls help

[slender shell]

is it in multiplayer or single player?

[half garnet]

It's probably the classic thruster too powerful issue

actually.. I'll see about fixing it today

[slender shell]

i had that problem too but with 700 power on thruster, i see now

[slender shell]

it does it even if i put the power to 10, i don't think it's exclusive to thrusters that are too powerful

[half garnet]

if i'm correct it's not about modified thrusters, but about the ones for which you didn't edit the values, with the default being way too high

[slender shell]

aaaa, makes sense

so a temporary fix is to make the secondary color of all thrusters black

[half garnet]

should be, yeah, tho i'm not sure what value it will set it at

[slender shell]

seems to work, black had rgb 0,0,0 right?

[half garnet]

i need to differenciate between normal colors and colors with values encoded inside, it was very easy before, now it should be a tad harder

[half garnet]

yeah... by work do you mean not crash or does the thruster also thrust properly

[slender shell]

it set all the thrusters to 80 power x_x

[slender shell]

it does not crash

[half garnet]

as expected... more or less

[half garnet]

hm, the problem seems to be elsewhere

the set color on thrusters just doesn't work

ok, yeah... set color on thruster just... doesn't work

if i remember correctly it just doesn't work on any functional blocks

ah... now it works...??

[slender shell]

wait what

[half garnet]

no, don't worry, it stopped

[slender shell]

this makes sense because i was using planes built before 1.9.2

[half garnet]

yeah, no, anything before iirc 2.1 has all the data erased, pretty much

due to colors being clamped between 0 and 1

[slender shell]

now i'm confused

[half garnet]

i think it was 2.1, lemme check

[slender shell]

2.0.3 i think

[half garnet]

so, 1.9 was the update that broke set color

sometime later another update clamped it

[slender shell]

2.0.3

[half garnet]

good to know (i kinda forgot all about tm updates)

so... long story short....

i think i'll just set all thrusters to 10k and say it's a decent enough fix

i do hate it, but at least it will work

[slender shell]

10k what, power??

[half garnet]

yeah

it should be plenty

and if you want lower you can lower it from the in-block setting

[slender shell]

yeah, good idea

[slender shell]

will every thruster have 10k power or only ones that are painted a color?

[half garnet]

if you tell me a color the 2nd one

[slender shell]

another fix can be checking if a thruster has any of the colors that you can apply in game, and if they do just don't modify the power

[half garnet]

it will always have colors you can apply, since set color doesn't work

(except some random specific cases that i can't pin-point)

[slender shell]

purple

[half garnet]

so.... turns out it was totally my fault

i had an if statement that if the target was a target block it would just... stop

probably there for testing and i forgot to delete it

[slender shell]

sounds like an easy fix

[half garnet]

yeah, it's fixed

i'll check if i can do something about z lock than i'll update

[half garnet]

ok, the code differenciating normal from locked missiles is a bit shittier than expected

maybe not

[half garnet]

ok, new update is live, it should now be almost as good as it was when it all worked

although slowly more and more a spaghetti monster

[odd vigil]

fun

perfect example of how programming feels

[dull quartz]

i think ive only tried in multiplayer

[dull quartz]

so no more crashes? if so thanks so much

[half garnet]

Hopefully

[dull quartz]

im testing right now ill see..

[dull quartz]

is it the expiremental branch or the normal one?

[half garnet]

Normal

[dull quartz]

ok

yep works now!

[dull quartz]

is there a way to set it to something lower than 10k newtons of thrust?

ok nvm

[slender shell]

@half garnet where is the log file stored?

[half garnet]

Same folder as the one for your personal mods

[slender shell]

thanks

[slender shell]

When i get out of build mode with a tracker it gives me an error, here is the log file

[half garnet]

just a tracker?

[slender shell]

yeah

[half garnet]

well, i just fixed something about seatless trackers with z lock giving errors

was on a totally different line tho

[slender shell]

i did have z lock on, but it was a seated blueprint

[half garnet]

give blueprint? if it's not important

[slender shell]

idk if i still have it, if i don't i'm going to try reproducing it

[slender shell]

here it is

[slender shell]

i can't reproduce it with a new eye

[slender shell]

i fixed it by changing the primary color and then putting it back to green, super weird bug

[half garnet]

Ah, forgot to mention, it should be properly fixed now

But I forgot to upload

Experimental will also get these fixes soon

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.7.6 patch notes:
-whatever magic @half garnet did

[slender shell]

btw the fire from the purple thruster eye seems to go forwards instead of backwards

[pulsar stump]

i realize that, but i left it like that because i thought it made the missiles more clear/accurate to where they are. i may test it to see if thats the case just in case

[dull quartz]

dont know what changed but missile mod isnt working

i may be dumb

no tracking at all

[pulsar stump]

normal or experimental branch?

[dull quartz]

normal

[pulsar stump]

when is the last time it was working?

[dull quartz]

yesterday

[pulsar stump]

hmmm, thats interesting

[dull quartz]

heres the blueprint of what im making right now

it should work

nothing from usual

my old missiles arent working either

[pulsar stump]

lemme try

[dull quartz]

maybe because im in a server? idk

[pulsar stump]

someone elses server?

[dull quartz]

mine

feel free to join rn if you want idc

[pulsar stump]

i assume the correct block is selected?

[dull quartz]

yes

i have green and yellow eye

[pulsar stump]

check the max detection cone in the host options

[dull quartz]

oh

[pulsar stump]

for me it was set at 120 when i booted up the mod

maybe thats the issue

[dull quartz]

you might be right

yep

[pulsar stump]

lol

[dull quartz]

mine was at 160

sorry for the trouble but thanks aswell

[pulsar stump]

np 👍

[half garnet]

I think I forgot again

[quaint marsh]

The activation distance works the first time but then instantly targets every time after. What exactly am I doing wrong?

[pulsar stump]

wdym the first time and every time after?

[pulsar stump]

1.4.Test.8.0 patch notes:
-added a G indicator for missiles (with smoothing and clamping to 100G)
-added smoothing to TTI display

1.4.Test.8.1 patch notes:
-clamped the TTI to -100, 100 range

[quaint marsh]

I set it to 1000 and the first launch will go up to 1000 before activating, every time after that it immediately starts to track.

[pulsar stump]

note, due to the finniky nature of how the G indicator was done, it may not be perfectly accurate

[pulsar stump]

as in after repairing?

[quaint marsh]

After entering build mod and dropping back out.

[quaint marsh]

Still an issue, also, eye color changes on the bottom so I can not get tracking to work.

[pulsar stump]

Wdym on the bottom? You mean the secondary color?

[quaint marsh]

Who even is this guy?

[half garnet]

The main guy working on the experimental branch

[pulsar stump]

A guy who wants to help you.

If by the "eye color changes on the bottom" you mean the secondary color (which is the lower color when you are painting), then that is normal, since the mod itself changes the secondary color, all that needs to be set by you is the primary color

[quaint marsh]

So then why does Jess post a picture at the start of the thread showing a specific color choice and specifying tracker of targets?

[quaint marsh]

I don't use the experimental branch.

[quaint marsh]

Really not much help, you bailed last time. And this time you act as if the bottom color pallet and the secondary color are not the same thing.

[half garnet]

if you read, it does say to paint the main color, it's selected just so i could easilly show which colors, anyhow, as he said, only main is important, secondary is used to store data, so changing it will erase all block data

and even if you are not using the experimental branch he's still probably the 2nd person who knows most about how this mod works

[quaint marsh]

I still prefer your input, so thanks.

[quaint marsh]

If you read it you put "if you want them being trackers of targets, leave the 2nd color as is" which translates to leaving the 2nd color as the blue in the image. Language is everything

[half garnet]

well... of is definetly a typo, should have caught it sooner... but "leave the 2nd color as is" to me still means "ignore whatever happens with 2ndary color"

[quaint marsh]

Considering you have an image attached it is context based.

[pulsar stump]

I bailed? What are you referring to?

Also, i did not know if the bottom was referring to the bottom pallet or to a color that is physically on the bottom, which then i have no clue what it would mean as i havent seen that yet

[quaint marsh]

This convo

[pulsar stump]

didnt bail, just didnt know why it was happening. sth similar happens rarely for me, but iirc it happens after respawning (holding backspace), so i dunno if this is the same thing

[quaint marsh]

You can't even say you didn't bail. You literally left the conversation by saying nothing. That is bailing.

[pulsar stump]

i didnt add anything to the conversation, because i had nothing to add. dont really know why it was happening, but i got enough from you to recreate it. after trying, didnt happen to me, so nothing else i could have said

[quaint marsh]

There are dozens of things you could have said, one of the main ones literally being what you just told me.

[pulsar stump]

alright, will make sure to next time always add a "dunno why its happening to u" next time

[quaint marsh]

That isn't how you figure out bugs

But yeah, do whatever you are gonna do.

[pulsar stump]

usually is how i figure out bugs

[timber patrol]

i made a missile with a green eye for tracking and a purple eye for more speed but it doesnt seem to track

if tried to increase and decrease the strenght and made sure it was locked onto some1 but it doesnt work

idk if this is a problem with something i did or the mod itself

[pulsar stump]

could you provide a blueprint of said missile? or tell me what settings you set?

[timber patrol]

well its just that any missile i build the green eye just doesnt track it just spins in a cirkle

[pulsar stump]

again, what settings?

[pulsar stump]

1. im pretty sure you dont need that much strength
2. aerotrackers work by taking the part of strength after the decimal, multiplying it by speed (or speed squared if quadratically proportional) and treating that as the actual used strength, while treating the integer part of the strength as the limit. so instead of 25000 it should be sth like 25000.5, or probably 250.5

[timber patrol]

yeah 25000 is needed i think bcs it can speed up to around mach 1

but tyvm for the help

[pulsar stump]

i doubt it truly is needed, unless the missile is built with the center of drag very far in the back (or with very very strong fins)

[timber patrol]

i changed it to lower and with the .5 but it still just turns in cirkels

[pulsar stump]

can you show me the missile?

[timber patrol]

the green eye is in the middile

[pulsar stump]

the center of drag is too far forward

the fins in the back should also be real

or have the real fins move back

behind the center of mass

(also for a fin like effect without accounting for wind, you can use the drag block)

[timber patrol]

could this work?

[pulsar stump]

maybe, dunno exactly where the CoM is, fire it away and see what happens i guess

[timber patrol]

it moves in a straight line but doesnt track

i think it works

[pulsar stump]

1. make sure targets are set up correctly so it can actually lock on
2. make sure the host didnt limit the fov to sth less than what youre expecting
3. try using quadratically proportional to speed, see if anything changes

[pulsar stump]

oh, thats good

[timber patrol]

tysm for the help u dont know how long if tried to fix this

[pulsar stump]

np

[timber patrol]

and idk how but it doesnt work anymore 😭

it doesnt track me

[timber patrol]

idk what happend but it stoped tracking

[pulsar stump]

try this list, see then whats up

also before that

make sure it is on, as in after repairing or getting out of build mode refresh your blocks

[timber patrol]

alr ty

i checked everything and it still doesnt work

like i dont get it my friend missile works fine

THERE ARE 2 FUCKING DIFFRENT COLORS OF GREEN WITH A SYSTEEM

HOLLYYYY

light green is weird and darker green works perfectly

i hate my live

[pulsar stump]

light green is the aerotracker

[timber patrol]

then whats darker green?

[pulsar stump]

its meant to work a little bit more realistically, varying its strength with speed

[pulsar stump]

the normal tracker

[timber patrol]

whats the diffrents?

[pulsar stump]

basically, normal tracker can:
-lead (optional)
-stay vertical (optional)
-track missiles (optional)
-point itself no matter the speed

aerotracker can:
-lead (always)
-loft (aim higher to have an arch for a trajectory, optional)
-vary its strength depending on speed

[timber patrol]

ahh so aero is more like for ground attacking?

or boat missiles

[slender shell]

@pulsar stump how did you do the leading for trackers?

[pulsar stump]

aero originally was made purely to simulate irl missiles, since the strength of their turns depends on their fins which depends on the airflow, but i also added lofting since real misiles do it too. i also have lofting on air to air missiles, since irl ones do too

[timber patrol]

ahhh

[pulsar stump]

dunno, i copied whatever magic @half garnet made, but its possible to solve it urself since it should work out to be a quadratic

[timber patrol]

alr ty for your help

[slender shell]

thanks

[pulsar stump]

np

[half garnet]

If you need the actual math/reason behind it I can provide it

[slender shell]

i don't really need it but it would definitely be cool to know how it works

[pulsar stump]

"Cannons that never miss" (on yt) shows perfect lead implementation, as opposed to stuff like p-nav (i think the cmm uses this normal/perfect lead as opposed to p-nav)

[half garnet]

At least the new version is just some simple vector math (old one used cosine rule),
if Tp=target position, Tv=target velocity, Mp and Mv are the same for missile, V is a unit vector and S is time passed
we can say that S*|Mv|*V+Mp=S*Tv+Tp solve it and you get where they'll hit.
Now, this is assuming the missile keeps a stable speed and can turn on a dime, but it's plenty good enough to hit most targets.

It kinda assumes the missile as a gravity-less, friction-less projectile that's about to be shot

[slender shell]

does it still switch to no lead when close it's enough to the target?

[half garnet]

No, but it does when it detects it can't possibly reach it

[pulsar stump]

this actually gives me an idea on what else should be fixed

although idk how exactly to go about it

[vocal turret]

sorry if this is a stupid question but do i need to update the mod?

ive been having crash issues for a while now and havent touched it in a bit and i was told there was information on it here

[slender shell]

steam should automatically update the mod also jess did update the mod to fix a crashing issue, you should just try using it and if it still crashes come here again

[vocal turret]

ty ty, i got it figured out now 😄

[vocal turret]

does anyone know why i cant turn off the "start active" without it turning the activation distance to zero?

[half garnet]

"Start active" should automatically turn on if activation distance is 0, and deactivate if it's larger, since they do the same thing,
I am pretty sure tho that I forgot to update instantly the UI, so it only updates after you de-select and select the block again

TLDR: start active does nothing, it does it anyway if activation distance is 0/ doesn't if greater

[slender shell]

that might need a bit more testing, sometimes it does do that, other times i doesn't, maybe put it to -1 or change how it checks

[half garnet]

Makes sense

Eh, guess I'll do it rn

[slender shell]

seems to work now

[half garnet]

?

Haven't done anything yet

I guess it's one less problem

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that's why i said it needs more testing

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yeah it works perfectly, must've been doing something wrong before

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Nope, it does seem to not always work

At least with the worse case scenario (missile connected directly to seat)

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aha

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It's like VERY rare tho, happened once over 20 rapairs noe