General modding chat

[shadow iris]

alvaroping1 about to hit you with the "not gonna happen"

[cinder spruce]

hes already commented on it before

[open acorn]

I mean there was also this fog https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1210227611125551144

that suggestion was mostly just for much larger draw distances whilst also not having fog obstruct it and make it completely useless

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1196793172429394050 revival?

[cinder spruce]

someone should put the lighthouse in there

[shadow iris]

ill put them in

theyre now in

[near parcel]

sorry for the delay, can you try this configuration?

{
    "Lua.workspace.userThirdParty": [
        "C:\Users\Kai\Documents\LuaAddons"
    ],
    "Lua.workspace.checkThirdParty": true
}```

[median cobalt]

got tired of recoloring my crafts manually

currently making a palette swapping plugin

hopefully when it works it saves like hours of selecting blocks

[median cobalt]

honestly now i realize why i might want colored text

this could look amazing if i had it display a block character in the color

[median cobalt]

oop, ran across odd behavior

right, so i got the colors to choose from right here in my palette, normally these go to their dedicated editors

BUT, somehow, clicking them instantly returns it to... the previous menu for no reason? i dont even get my secondary menu and it acts like i pressed the back button

this only seemed to happen when i inserted my A/B function swapper for when i want to exclusively search primary colors or exlusively search secondary colors

lmk if anyone has spotted me lacking

[median cobalt]

full code block of PALEDIT

in fact it acts like the PALSWAP function is PALEDIT, still adding its own BACK button below. Am i hitting an interpreter limitation??

[radiant lion]

Can't see anything clearly out of place, but I can tell you from experience that the interpreter doesn't do stuff randomly (most times), I'd say put some logs and try to find out where the culprit is

[radiant lion]

Also, why did you mark this with rain world karma?
Ok, probably a question mark, am too far gone

[median cobalt]

it turns out that the culprit was function interlinking

the interpreter indeed did not like any of it

and im still figuiring out why it cannot handle my function correctly for changing the color

[near parcel]

i would need to see the full code to explain why, since global/local function and ordering matters in lua

[median cobalt]

I found out the issue

apparently setPrimaryColor and setSecondaryColor is unstable on the API side, seeing how when you change the blocks color once it apparently returns invalid userdata

and given i run this ALOT in a big batch, it basically guarantees to break

giving me a big ol Interpreter crash

i can see it swap colors but immediately crashes after anywhere from 2 to 10 blocks

meaning until this gets "a bandaid patch" i think ill be trying to circumvent it in vain

that is until i find out how to directly access blockdata

and the times it DOES work, it fails to parse color info properly
making it fullwhite

i guess im at the same spot ridicolas is with his custom color tool that i managed to barely work again with the same unstable progress

[near parcel]

We told you those functions were deprecated, they are not gonna be patched

[median cobalt]

You only supplied SetColor to be deprecated, not SetPrimary/SetSecondary, that one is on you

[radiant lion]

I mean, I'm pretty sure ridicolas' one worked well, at least a while ago, if anything broke I'm guessing it was in the last update, same problem that's plaguing the missile mod's set color, tho I'm pretty sure those just don't work, without throwing errors

[near parcel]

sorry, i was misremembering the names. The deprecated function was setcolor, which was replaced with setprimarycolor/setsecondarycolor

[shadow iris]

is there a way to easily check for a structure's weight? this and would it be feasible to pick up a *nearby* structure in the general center of the screen if it's light enough?

[near parcel]

is there a way to easily check for a structure's weight?
only method is to loop through the blocks and add their weights. Iirc some multipart blocks gave an inaccurate weight, but the difference in an entire structure should be small (you can also hardcode a table from block name to weight if you have enough free time)
this and would it be feasible to pick up a nearby structure in the general center of the screen if it's light enough?
elaborate

[radiant lion]

Wasn't a mod to grab structures already made?

[shadow iris]

elaborate
when you are controlling your character (this is surely able to be checked, right?), pressing a specified key will pull/teleport a light enough structure towards you

[radiant lion]

It is doable, yes

[shadow iris]

and im sure theres a thing for setting a block's buoyancy

this is for that raft minigame concept btw

[radiant lion]

Pretty sure there isn't

Just getting buoyancy, not setting, tho I might be wrong

[shadow iris]

aa

[radiant lion]

Oh

Well, that's nice

[shadow iris]

does this apply if the block is saved as a blueprint, stored in the mod, and then spawned?

[radiant lion]

If it works same as thrusters, probably not

[shadow iris]

cause then i could just make all the spawnable debris beforehand

[radiant lion]

Is there also a setmass btw?

[radiant lion]

Nice

[shadow iris]

does setmass save in a blueprint?

[radiant lion]

I'd say check if it saves, if it doesn't you can make a tiny script that checks for a color and sets its buoyancy differently

[shadow iris]

it does not, wah.

[shadow iris]

then it wouldnt be possible to do actual buoyancy because you cant save it in a blueprint and it can only be set when in build mode?

my idea was to have parts floating in the ocean and you have to out, pick them up, and then add them to your build

but from the looks of it i cant have the parts float, "picking up" parts probably difficult to implement (unless i legally yoink the code with permission from that other mod) and maybe theyll stick to the build

[cinder spruce]

wasnt that mod made by noiro? im sure he wont mind

hands mod iirc

[radiant lion]

hm, yeah, not if you spawn them with the mod itself

[shadow iris]

yeeah i doubt im gonna have players manually placing all the scrap down lol

pfb_barrel has buoyancy but those dont despawn properly and slip under from builds super easily

and everything else (explosive barrel, tire) are kind of annoying to work with

and neither of those are parts

[radiant lion]

and you can't force players in build mode, nor spawn stuff in their build mode, so that's also a no

[shadow iris]

ay actually as long as it doesn't hang, these blocks stick to the build decently

but with 50 other blocks? idk

oh my god it works decently

so assuming i get all the other crazy stuff to work, raftmakers might be possible

[shadow iris]

and because ill probably not spawn anchor pins, you'll actually have to design your raft properly else it collapses!

[void bone]

I was thinking (I have no idea how hard this would be), that it might be possible to implement the new update's aiming servo for VR, with the option to aim at the left hand, right hand or the way the headset is facing. Idk just throwing it out there

[near parcel]

not possible, they will always face the camera and mods have little interaction with blocks

[void bone]

Ah

[open acorn]

I mean one technically can spawn stuff in their build mode, it's just incredibly strange and generally not intended behaviour (spawning something with the same id as something in build mode that was already spawned via mod, but a little different)

[open acorn]

no, there is absolutely no data relating to mass in a block's blueprint data, as it doesn't need to save mass anyways, same with buoyancy, ect.

[cinder spruce]

also its ability to affect the creations performance outside of modded servers is an issue

[shadow iris]

whats all the sounds you can play

not sure how to log them with the thing you use to get them

[cinder spruce]

tm.audio.getaudionames() i think

[dapper jay]

this is from alva's docs

[shadow iris]

as i said im too dumb to figure out how to convert it to something that can be logged

[near parcel]

you can use any of the strings there

[cinder spruce]

names = tm.audio.GetAudioNames()

for i, audioname in ipairs(names) do
    tm.os.Log(audioname)
end

i think this should work

[open acorn]

hehe funny raft

[dapper jay]

are you making raft in tm?

[shadow iris]

yes

[dapper jay]

first raft mechanic and now raftmakers

smh

[shadow iris]

ok well raftmakers does sound pretty cool

as a name

[primal raven]

Does anybody know how to get the code for the smart canon if so I could use some help as I need it for a mod I’m making

[cinder spruce]

are you trying to modify how the cannon works?
if so its just not possible to do

[primal raven]

No I’m just looking to increase the damage and fire rate is that possible?

[cinder spruce]

no mods rarely are able to change block values

[primal raven]

Well I managed to make a mod that changes the power of thrusters so wouldn’t it be possible to change damage or fire rate?

[cinder spruce]

the api only provides functions to change specific values for specific blocks (eg. thruster power, health, buoyancy, color)
theres is no function to change the values for gun damage/firerate

[primal raven]

So there’s no possible way to change the damage of weapons?

[primal raven]

I’m not very experienced in modding but for my thruster buff mod all I did was change the thrust number form 80 to 300 and then it worked in game so in the code for the smart cannon couldn’t I just change the damage number?

[cinder spruce]

you probably used ModBlock.SetJetPower(power) to set the power of the engines, but unfortunantly theres no function like this that does that for bullet damage or fire rate

[near parcel]

No, you can't

[primal raven]

I see

[paper bone]

You could change the health of the blocks you are shooting so it takes less hits, but that wouldn’t be exclusive for one type of damage

[primal raven]

Yes I think I found I mod that did that but it lagged my game like crazy

[cinder spruce]

i believe the function for setting health is currently not working as intended right now

[paper bone]

Oh well modding api at its finest

[primal raven]

Especially if there was more than one build

[cinder spruce]

i feel like we should have a forum here deticated to modding bugs specifically

[paper bone]

Yeah that sounds like a great idea

[primal raven]

Btw does the terrain on custom objects have to be glossy?

[paper bone]

No it depends on the alpha channel on your texture

So if your texture is very transparent your model will not have any gloss

[primal raven]

How do I change that I’m making map with custom terrain but it’s always glossy and reflects the sky so it looks strange

[near parcel]

Edit the texture file

[paper bone]

Your terrain should have a texture file

Edit that file to be very transparent

[primal raven]

In a 3d software?

[paper bone]

No need to do that in a 3d Software

[primal raven]

How then?

[paper bone]

Just select every pixel and crank up the alpha channel

[primal raven]

I’m not very educated on this topic so you may have to explain that to me

[paper bone]

Get your texture in a image editing software like gimp and put the transparency of your texture to be very transparent

[primal raven]

Ohhh I see

I kinda tasked my friend to get all the models and stuff for me while I actually made the map since I have no idea how anything other than trail makers building works

[primal raven]

Does anybody have a runway with taxi way custom object I could perhaps use in a map?

[cinder spruce]

there are textures in here for creating the runway patterns, and simple square section of a runway that you can duplicate and apply a new texture to change the length of the runway, this was used on the mach loop map i made

i recommend turning off collisions with the runways parts and having the ground beneath it as the collider

[primal raven]

Thanks mate your a life saver

[primal raven]

Does anybody know how to obtain the grass texture file?

[shadow iris]

that the base game uses? you can't get it officially and i dont think its a good idea to steal it but you can make your own/find one online that looks similar

[primal raven]

I wouldn’t consider it stealing since I’m using it for a map but I still tried to find a custom one but they all didn’t work would you happens to have one?

[shadow iris]

i dont have the original tiling texture but i did screenshot one of them for some personal projects; dont think i'll upload anything with that scuffed screenshot i got

[open acorn]

funnily enough I happen to have it saved

used it with quite a few maps of mine

[primal raven]

Is the file there or is it just not loading for me?

[open acorn]

it has a low alpha value, bc grass generally isn't shiny

[primal raven]

Oh I see it now

[topaz arrow]

which value is height (in a position vector)? y or z?

[radiant lion]

Y

[open acorn]

Y

[errant dew]

I'm new to moding is it possible to check the light level of any spot in the world? and is there a list of all the commands?

[topaz arrow]

Idk about checking the light level, but there should be a trailmakers docs file in the mod folder. If not, maybe you need to run a pre-installed mod to generate it or sth (i dont remember at this point, but there is a file with all the commands)

[open acorn]

documentation is in trailmakers_docs.lua in your mods folder
yeah with enough work that should be possible, you can get the time of day, and do some math to get the direction of the sun, then run a raycast in that direction, if it hits something then it's in shadow, can also run other raycasts in slightly varying directions to get if it's in slight shadow

[dapper jay]

no, even if there is, its really janky

[ionic jacinth]

Has there been any changes to the mod api due to this update? (Anything fixed/broken?)

[near parcel]

no

[ionic jacinth]

Good.

[median cobalt]

whats the new aim servo called

as a block item

patching my multiplayer HP mod rn

[topaz arrow]

AimingServo i think

[open acorn]

not even PFB_AimingServo?

[open acorn]

RIP branded crate thingimabober

[shadow iris]

rest in peace. you will be missed. 🫡 😭 🪦

[ionic jacinth]

Do any of you guys think billboards would be useful as a modding feature? (IK you can do it with modgameobjects, but that is jank.)

[shadow iris]

i think having a good way to do custom ui rather than the 2003 gray ui would be higher on the list

[topaz arrow]

if we get that, im sure someone will get doom to run on that

[hoary skiff]

I can run doom on the current ui

shit, now I have to do that, don't I

[topaz arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-saturday-night-live-yep-yup-yes-gif-2871158352032044666

[hoary skiff]

gimme a few hours I'm in school, my linux laptop can barely run trailmakers and it crashes often

not gonna stop me though

[topaz arrow]

Im really curious how youre gonna make the ui display the game nicely

Best of luck!

[hoary skiff]

I'm not, it's gonna look awful

but it'll hopefully be visible that it is doom

[topaz arrow]

Hopefully

[hoary skiff]

okay trailmakers just crashed while it was loading, this may need to wait until I get home

[dapper jay]

i mean you can do this so it should be easy enough lol

[dapper jay]

i forgot that text for mods is fucked

ok nvm the formatting doesnt even work

[gaunt beacon]

could someone create a mod that alows you to add or subtract attach points from blocks?

[near parcel]

no

[gaunt beacon]

why not lol

[cinder spruce]

because the api doesnt support anything like that

[shadow iris]

also how tf would that even work

[regal bear]

Nothing wrong with people asking about what's possible. You don't know until you ask.

[ionic jacinth]

Is it just me or is trying to change the drag value on blocks really difficult?

I'm trying to reduce the forward drag (leading edge of wing) for 'PFB_ModularWingSmall' so that it works better for gliders, but I just get some really unintelligable results

If someone can point me to somewhere I can read more about this, or has a set of forward, back, left, ect... values I can borrow/modify that would be brilliant!

[near parcel]

Changing drag makes the game bug out

[ionic jacinth]

That is very very unfortunate. I will have to implement my idea a different way then...

[topaz arrow]

You can always no-drag the build

Actually not always, but in the vast majority of situations

[ionic jacinth]

I kept messing with the setdragall function and I got it to work as I originally wanted

I used these values with the ModularWingSmall: 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1 And now gliders can have long wingspans and a ~30% higher speed! without compromising either!

[near parcel]

The problem is that it's not consistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes unrelated blocks are affected

[ionic jacinth]

Somehow for me, it has worked but I will probably not modify the drag system in my proper mod (for consistency as you've pointed out), and will use a wing chord length system for classifying builds to calculate an force vector to counteract drag...

[topaz arrow]

is there a way to check wether a player has a camera?

[dapper jay]

how even

[near parcel]

^

[ionic jacinth]

the comment you listed funnily enough is exactly the functionality I wanted from the setdragall function (as I was doing some block rebalancing for a mod), So that is why seems it works for me as I expected!

[shadow iris]

did custom asset loading get improved in 1.9.5? a 1920x1080 texture loaded in maybe 3 seconds and two ~22k vert models loaded in like 7 seconds total

[ionic jacinth]

Has anyone noticed that setjetpower(0) doesn't work for dragon jets and the large jet engine?

[ionic jacinth]

Crashed Oil tanker in the map I'm working on...

Annoyingly static objects that are 'not collidible' such as my oil spill still allow players to walk on it. If anyone has any tips to prevent this, pls help.

[regal bear]

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[ionic jacinth]

You are awesome thank you 🔥 🔥 🔥 !

[paper bone]

why does the function AddForce not register / work? Did i use it wrong?

local selectedVehicle = tm.players.GetSpawnedStructureById("selectedVehicle"..playerId)
selectedVehicle.AddForce(0, 0, 10)```
> attempt to call a nil value
i have made sure that selectedVehicle is correct

[dapper jay]

probably too heavy

[ionic jacinth]

I tend to multiply the force by the weight of the vehicle to offset this issue, By doing that, I was able to make a simple updraft system near mountains to making gliding in my custom map more fun.

[paper bone]

No, it gives the error : attempt to call nil value

[ionic jacinth]

Why not go through all vehicles the player has with a 'for' loop, and if it's id matches the "selectedVehicle" then apply the 'addforce'.
(There is probably a better way to do this, but I'd recon this could work)

[radiant lion]

The GetSpawnedStructure... Returns an array

You gotta do [1] or iteratie through all of it

[robust berry]

how do i detect when a vehicle passes through a ring of fire?

[radiant lion]

You can't directly, you have to place a trigger inside it and create a callback function

[robust berry]

oh ok

is there a tutorial for that

i'd love to learn modding in general but i haven't been able to find anything to learn from

[dapper jay]

do note that triggers only detect players

[paper bone]

Ah thanks, that name is a bit misleading lol.

[radiant lion]

I'm pretty sure it's because structures can break, so they still have the same id, but are separate

[ionic jacinth]

Reminds me that I never noticed the [] on the return section on the documentation for too long

[paper bone]

ah

[robust berry]

how do you create a callback function? i've read the docs but i don't see anything meant to specifically do that

[radiant lion]

You need to use this:
tm.physics.RegisterFunctionToCollisionEnterCallback(targetObject, functionName)
First you have to create a function, like you would with any other function, with a single parameter, the parameter is the is of the player that enters the trigger

[leaden notch]

any tank track mods?

[shadow iris]

no

[regal bear]

Here's some example code...

[robust berry]

Awesome, I really appreciate it.

[radiant lion]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3273599986

Haven't tried it, but should work, at least visually

[near parcel]

*purely visually, it does nothing else (and even that doesn't completely work, as the tracks don't move)

[radiant lion]

I guess it's time for someone to make a realistic tank tread mod

[loud slate]

Might work on this tbh since the realistic warfare is too heavy to run with TM modding API

[topaz arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-noooo-gif-4825231

[topaz arrow]

what ways of interacting with logic do mods have? i know about applying a force, but if the force required is too high, then the whole build might be pushed, which i dont want, and if the force is too small, then inertia/air resistance (in moving vehicles) may also activate it. is there another thing that can be done that has a very small chance of being messed up on a moving build?

[shadow iris]

im pretty s ure you cant directly trigger stuff on a build using modding. only indirect stuff like as you said pushing the build causing logic to fire

[topaz arrow]

ye, i realize that there is no "setLogicState()" function or anything, but if someone has a way to trigger a logic block physically it would help greately

wait, can you change the gravity per structure (or per block)?

[shadow iris]

don't think so

[topaz arrow]

i know you can globally, so you can trigger sth globally with the new gravity sensor, but i need a per-build trigger

[topaz arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-x-angry-mad-upset-hit-gif-5005267

[paper bone]

No, but you can add forces to certain blocks, which you could maybe detect with a spring and a speedsensor.
But that is very scuffed

[topaz arrow]

speedsensor wont work on moving vehicles, and worse, the inertia of the block thats on a spring will cause the spring to bend when acceleration is experienced. if the spring is set to be tougher, then the force requried will grow and it may push the whole vehicle on which the contraption is sitting

[dapper jay]

nothing

[near parcel]

No

[gritty wave]

How hard is it to make mod?

i want to use my boat on the airborne map, but theres no water

[cinder spruce]

you arent able to create water on maps, at least the one that exists in game

[gritty wave]

damn

[gritty wave]

thank you

[cinder spruce]

yea the api is very limited, but we make do

[gritty wave]

thx

[regal bear]

Maybe you could spawn a custom object in front of a distance sensor?

[topaz arrow]

maybe? tho im afraid that with a moving vehicle this would just create endless collision problems and possible explosions. plus last time i checked (which to be fair was a some time ago) they were a bit inconsistant when you had stuff around the distance sensors, so who knows if you also wouldnt get false positives

[regal bear]

The spawn only has to be there for 1 tick. Also do custom objects that are set as trigger still get detected by distance sensors? If so that could work.

[regal bear]

I haven't tested a custom object but I tested a prefab set to trigger and it does indeed get detected by a distance sensor. As long as the prefab isn't near the player or wheels it shouldn't collide with anything.

[shadow iris]

new years resolution: win over trailmakers custom model loading

[ionic jacinth]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet that has every single block name (e.g PFB_Frame_2x4 [server], ...) in the game in it?
(I'm going to make a quick excel script that allows one to create a list sorted by those block names in lua, that can have additional .mass , .buoyancy columns with custom values in or nil if to not be changed to allow easier bulk block rebalancing for custom campaigns.)
The output would be something like this:
BlockProperties = { ["PFB_Frame1x2 [Server]"] = {Name = "", Energy = nil, Buoyancy = nil, Weight = nil, Unlocked = true}, ["PFB_Frame_1x1x3 [Server]"] = {Name = "", Energy = nil, Buoyancy = nil, Weight = nil, Unlocked = true},

Otherwise, I'm going to have to do this slowly and painfully...

[shadow iris]

for custom campaigns you say...

wait whats that unlocked value about

[ionic jacinth]

Whether you have unlocked the block yet

You'll need to find it on the map first

[shadow iris]

trying to load a 9mb mesh into the game

ah the broken subdivision is 2.08mb, is that why it removes like 25-50% of the tris?

oh that does make sense

[ionic jacinth]

Biggest custom model in my map is 27.8kb, but could be even less with more optimisations

[shadow iris]

maybe it tries to reduce the model to 1mb so it deletes tris until it fits

and because its about 2mb, it deletes roughly 50% of the tris

[ionic jacinth]

Honestly I don't even know the limits of the tm api...

[shadow iris]

well if you make am odel too complex it goes all fucky

thats what we know rn

but i might have discovered the thing

[ionic jacinth]

Why not use 4 models instead of 1

And have their centers at the same point in local space

[shadow iris]

ooh and those 22k vert trees are only a little over 1mb and 800kb, thats why it works

[shadow iris]

because i dont wnana bother separating stuff manually, unless you know of a tool that does it automatically

besides, ill do some automatic optimization in blender and then maybe a little manual for stuff like angled slopes that are jagged

youre never gonna believe this, the 526kb model loaded fine

im pretty sure it is a 1mb limit

and it just cuts out tris to fit into 1mb

or something

[ionic jacinth]

I think I'm gonna make the spreadsheet manually...

[shadow iris]

although i have this much detail to work with

ingame it will be 10x larger than it is rn

[ionic jacinth]

Just gotta make another mod that concatenates the log output...

If its flat, why have so many verts?

[shadow iris]

because i plan to sculpt on it

[ionic jacinth]

ahh

[shadow iris]

so yk terrain mesh

[shadow iris]

one quad is probably like 20 nubs across or more

[ionic jacinth]

then you wil use the weld modifier and ctrl t to finish it off?

[shadow iris]

oh no one of the squares in the texture is 2 quads across

thus at 1x scale 1 quad is like 8 nub

80 nubs across per texture's squares

[near parcel]

you can just use csv, it's easy to read from the mod's side and can be handled directly by all spreadsheet programs

[shadow iris]

i am defo gonna need to split this model...

[ionic jacinth]

The mod unfortunately isn't going to read directly from it... The spreadsheet is just going to be used as a better interface to modify values.

[shadow iris]

oh and there goes blender

+1 blendercrash

oh nvm

[near parcel]

then what are you gonna use it for?

[ionic jacinth]

To produce a list with custom properties formatted for lua.

[ionic jacinth]

When you need to get the names of every item lol

[shadow iris]

ok actually crashed blender

[shadow iris]

yo boat campaign?

[ionic jacinth]

I'm not going to give many spoilers...

But a boat will be required...

[shadow iris]

i say this in the context of working on a campaign and needing to choose between building your own structure without limits, or only giving preset vehicles that have the limits. are you allowing players to build their own vehicles with limits, or are you giving preset ones, or something else?

[ionic jacinth]

I have made 3 different systems that direct players into building the right type of vehicles...

One just teleports them back to spawn if they use a blacklisted block, and then tells them the name of the block so they may remove it

[shadow iris]

i would just detonate the disallowed blocks and warn them in build mode if possible

[ionic jacinth]

Another system is changing the properties of certain blocks to 'nerf' them

The third system is making sure the environment is difficult enough to promote certain building techniques

[near parcel]

that's what i meant, if you use csv the list can be easily modified with a spreadsheet app (as all programs support it) and loaded into lua

[ionic jacinth]

Hang on, I don't know what a CSV is, so I'm gonna ask chatgpt...

[shadow iris]

i cant exactly add a sky ceiling and youre supposed to do deliveries by land, but if i let players build their own stuff propellers and wings n such would be allowed and cause planes to be the main form of travel

[near parcel]

Comma-Separated Values. It's essentially a table in plain text with very simple format. For example:

name,weight,available
engine 1,70.5,true
propeller,30.3,false

[ionic jacinth]

ohhh

Yh ur right then

[shadow iris]

alvaro do you have a different solution to the issue me and stormer were just discussing

[near parcel]

?

[shadow iris]

cleanly preventing certain unwanted blocks from being used in player-made creations, instead of only allowing pre-set vehicles provided by the mod

[near parcel]

on build mode leave->iterate through blocks->if any have a name banned, destroy the creation and show a subtle message with the banned blocks

[shadow iris]

if possible, i would also add a warning in build mode saying you have banned blocks.

[near parcel]

get the currently selected block->check name->display subtle message

[ionic jacinth]

I have already done all of this, but it only activates upon the player leaving a preset building zone. Then they are teleported back into the build zone, and can only leave if their creation has no blacklisted blocks

[shadow iris]

oh gosh cmon now 3 tris are removed?

oh the bottom triangle still has collision...

[near parcel]

make sure you set a flag to only check the creation once on leaving the area instead of every frame you are outside of it

[shadow iris]

OH

I FOUND WHY ITS DELETING TRIS

[ionic jacinth]

Will do, otherwise it will be very laggy...

[shadow iris]

32767 IS THE MAX TRI COUNT

I HAVE 32770 AND ITS DELETING 3

[shadow iris]

and then 32768 tris with collision..?

[ionic jacinth]

Thats 5.8 yandere dev toothbrushes

Fewww

Finally put (almost) all the blocks in trailmakers into an excel spreadsheet

213 entries

[ionic jacinth]

I've done it!

(Chatgpt did it)

I can now just edit a spreadsheet, and export a list formatted for lua that has all the specific block properties I need!

The spreadsheet:

The output produced by the spreadsheet:

[ionic jacinth]

||I blanked out one of the categories as it would be a spoiler for a feature in my mod.||

[shadow iris]

wah boring

[ionic jacinth]

An example of how I will use this spreadsheet, Is I will put the buoyancy of all wheel blocks to 0, and then set them to 0, so that the player cannot build any boats of any kind until they have unlocked proper buoyancy blocks...

[ionic jacinth]

This feature has been done before in a crude way... But my implementation is far from boring... And it creates a completely different way of designing builds in trailmakers...

[warm canopy]

If you were looking for values that mods can obtain from blocks, you couldve used my block stats mod, it already produces a csv

[ionic jacinth]

If only I had done that earlier...

Well, I've got the list of blocks now anyway...

[warm canopy]

Lol

[shadow iris]

you are the guy with the knowledge on custom assets right? was the 32767 tri count limit known?

[warm canopy]

Can't remember. Not sure if Noiro came across some limits

[shadow iris]

seems good to put it on the wiki yeah?

[warm canopy]

If its a limit, might want to confirm with the devs as-well as it could be a bug

[shadow iris]

alright

[ionic jacinth]

Block Limitation System...

[robust berry]

does anyone know why my trigger box might not be showing up?

[shadow iris]

oo thats pretty good. would warn in build mode though as how alvaro said

[radiant lion]

I am somewhat sure that by default they are invisible, so you gotta set the isVisible to true... Or you might just be spawning it in the wrong position

[robust berry]

i set visibility to true, and the position is the same as my ring of fire, but it isn't appearing

does trailmappers offset object positions or something? i matched the position of the trigger to the ring of fire placed in trailmappers.

[cinder spruce]

trailmappers coordinates are different to in game ones i believe

[robust berry]

oh

[cinder spruce]

theres mods that display the coordinates of your player, use that to position the trigger

[radiant lion]

Iirc 300 or 310 lower

[robust berry]

i see, i'll give that a try

[radiant lion]

So 0 on mappers would be 300 in tm

[robust berry]

oh yk what that makes sense

i recall altitude sensors only working with a certain offset now that u mention it

[cinder spruce]

its because trailmappers wanted 0,0,0 to be the test zone center, and test zone is 300m above the water level

[robust berry]

yeah

[radiant lion]

If need be I think the default spawnmod always shows your coordinates

[robust berry]

alright thanks you guys

alright so i fixed the coordinates but it still isn't there

is it not getting created?

[radiant lion]

Maybe, can you send that part of the code? Also make sure whatever function it's in gets called by logging something

[robust berry]

i tried logging a message but it caused an error :/

i'll show u the code

i have it somewhere near the bottom of main.lua, it's not nested inside of anything

[radiant lion]

TriggerBox doesn't need to be set to an empty vector, you can leave it at nill, tho that shouldn't cause issue, are you actually calling the function anywhere, or did you forget?

[robust berry]

i have to call it?

well that's probably it then

how do i call a function

[radiant lion]

Just:
createTriggerBox(whatever)

[robust berry]

oh

[radiant lion]

Tho that will only call it for the specified player, for now you can try putting it below the function itself, tho you might want to put in in the playerJoined fun function, so it gets called once for each player

[robust berry]

so just cut and paste into player joined?

[radiant lion]

The playerId is never used, so you can just add
createTriggerBox()
On the line after: end

[robust berry]

oh ok

and that will apply to all players or no?

[radiant lion]

Once a player enters the area the function onEnterTriggerBox will be called with the id of the player that went though it

[robust berry]

oh alright

it works!

but the collision function doesn't...

[radiant lion]

What's it supposed to do?

[robust berry]

add force to the structure that touches it

i might just be missing something obvious

[radiant lion]

Maybe too little force?

[robust berry]

no it gave me an error

"failed to call function"

[radiant lion]

If you show the code it would help

[robust berry]

here's the whole thing

i have very little knowledge of lua so this could be very wrong

[radiant lion]

It might just be that it's trying to call a function that doesn't exist yet, try moving the "createTriggerBox()" line after the onEnter.... Function

[robust berry]

oh ok

same error

[near parcel]

show the full error

[robust berry]

no clue what that means :/

[radiant lion]

Line 187 is the GetPlayerSeatBlock?

[robust berry]

no it's this

it's supposed to be a vector3 right?

[radiant lion]

Oh, right

Iirc addforce is quite stupid

[robust berry]

o

[radiant lion]

And if doesn't take vectors

[paper bone]

Yeah for some reason no

[robust berry]

whaaaa

[paper bone]

3 seperate values

X y an z

[robust berry]

is there a way to separate a vector3 into singular components?

[radiant lion]

AddForce(velocity.x, velocity.y, velocity.z)

[robust berry]

oh thanks

it works just as intended!

thanks everyone

but uhh

is there a way to get the weight of a structure?

cuz lighter builds will be affected differently than heavier ones, which i don't want

[cinder spruce]

probably looping through all the blocks in the structure and getting the weight of each

[radiant lion]

Yeah

[robust berry]

oh

sorry for being a bother, but how do i do that?

[radiant lion]

Unrelated, but why must getVelocity only work for players...

[robust berry]

also i don't see anything for weight in the documentation...is it missing something?

[radiant lion]

getMass

[robust berry]

ohhhh

[radiant lion]

Btw I'll be going to sleep, if noone else answers you'll get an explanation tomorrow

But in basic you use a for ipairs and the getBlocks (I think) function

[robust berry]

alright, i feel bad taking so much of your time anyway!

alright, i'll try it out

thanks for all your help today

[radiant lion]

Np, happy to help

[shadow iris]

anyone know of a tool that can automatically split a model into separate models based on tri count

cause i dont wanna just have aj do it all xd

[paper bone]

These may not be the best sources, but they certainly help me quite a lot when modding so maybe you can get some help from there
https://trailmakers.ludixi.com/info/
https://flashbulb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TMMOD/overview?homepageId=218071268

[ionic jacinth]

I'm going to get to work on that now... I will post a GIF of it in action when completed.

[near parcel]

Use both approaches, as checking in build mode isn't 100% reliable unless you want to tank performance

[ionic jacinth]

I think I will use a system that only does a check of if a block is banned, if the block selection has changed on that tick.

Unfortunately the drawback of my system would be that you can only check if your selected block is banned by clicking off it and clicking back on it, but it is a small price to pay...

hmm

maybe my method won't work...
It can work, I just need to be smarter...
I'm going to avoid adding this feature in as it isn't necessary, until I can find an example from someone else's code who has done it up to standard so I can learn the best method.

[ionic jacinth]

Is it possible ||no it isn't|| to make a subtle message without any texture popping up? Because when you leave it blank, a default icon is used, but is it possible to have absolutely nothing?
Seems like it is currently impossible... A 2x2 100% transparent png will work then...

[visual basin]

Is the any mod that allows for space thrusters to be configured?

[ionic jacinth]

what do you mean by configured? Because there are plenty of mods which can change the power of the space thruster.

[quaint ibex]

why are there no mods which let youadd power cores in campaign

[shadow iris]

mods dont have control over power core limit or block bans/blocks unlocked or any of that

[quaint ibex]

oh ok

[paper bone]

is there a way to use one of the other premade icons, so that i dont have to make my own? I couldnt find a list of them so im guessing that its not possible

[shadow iris]

ive seen some mods do random from the vanilla ones but idk how
i also saw in old trailmappers exports if you had a subtle message play and then load the trailmappers map itll use the subtle message from before

[paper bone]

Error messages have random icons iirc

[visual basin]

thats what i mean yh, ive searched but i couldnt find any still working

[ionic jacinth]

I have uploaded a mod to the workshop called: SpaceThrusterConfigurator
It should do what you are asking for.

[visual basin]

ahh thank you so much

[paper bone]

how can i save a vector in a json file?
do i have to save each axis separately?
since i dont see how i could create a new vector inside my json using the tm api

[warm canopy]

https://www.moonsharp.org/additions.html

[paper bone]

thanks :D

[paper bone]

im not quite sure which one i need and where to then link it

am i here somewhere close to where i need to be looking?

[radiant lion]

It's probably gonna be quicker if you just save the vector as a table and json that

Either as {X=v.x,.....} Or array style {v.x,v.y,v.z}

[paper bone]

alr thx

"chirpoPosition": {"X": -168, "Y": 274, "Z": 365},

so like this?

[near parcel]

Yeah

[paper bone]

thanks

[dapper jay]

You could save it as a string, you can pass that to tm.vector3.Create directly

[novel maple]

they do have to be massively away from the object tho, otherwise wheels will try and commit self die and fuck up the physics as well due to them being raycast (or something i dont know, i know jack shit about programming) ||also, ancient message lmfao||

[shadow iris]

damn 8 days ago is ancient now

apparently

[warm canopy]

Last year was a long time ago

[shadow iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275243260402733128/1294374116329128000/5FA61E89-CAE0-40E6-9E56-90FBF3B68E5C.gif

[dapper jay]

🐟

[ionic jacinth]

In my mod, due to the buggy nature of the custom map and to prevent exploits, repairing your vehicle will be disabled, so to make sure the player can get their vehicle unstuck (without using gyros as they will be banned), at slow speeds (<5m/s) the player will be able to yaw their vehicle with 'q' and 'e'. I've done some tests, and it is very difficult to exploit this system for free energy and it feels very satisfying to play with.

Feel free to copy this system/idea into your own mods!

Hopefully, when I put a bit more visual flair into the other features of the mod, they will be GIFified and posted here...

[regal bear]

nice 🙂

[scenic echo]

I need a bit of help, i'm trying to make a square horn explode when it gets destroyed, but i don't know how to detect when it gets destroyed, how would i detect that?

[ionic jacinth]

I think you would make a list of modblocks and when going through the blocks in a build, add horn blocks to that list. Then save the position of those hornblocks, and check next time you go through the blocks in that structure if the same number of horn blocks exist. Then do the explosion at the position of the missing horn block.
It will require more than what I have mentioned, but is a very doable idea you have...

[scenic echo]

can you make explosions bigger?

[dapper jay]

you can spawn an explosion and scale it up

the results ive gotten seem kinda inconsistent to me but yeah

[shadow iris]

don't know why this happened but the corrupt model after the game forces the model to be <=32767 tris now has very weird tris from verts connecting which didnt before

wait these have collision... its dreaming up new tris with collision

oh is it trying to simplify the model but failing miserably because it also deletes 75% of the tris as well..?

[shadow iris]

where is mod cache stored, if we can access it?

[warm canopy]

In windows its %UserProfile%\AppData\LocalLow\Flashbulb\Trailmakers\ModCache

[ionic jacinth]

I have an interesting mod for everyone...

Fuel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfaFkNizIcw

Unfortunately this system is a bit too long to demonstrate within a GIF, so I've used a Youtube video instead.

[regal bear]

Nice! Will there be a way to set how much fuel you put in or will it just be block based?

[ionic jacinth]

Each non functional block can store fuel. Usually a little less than it's weight, the 30kg and 50kg blocks store the most. I can balance this using a spreadsheet.
For example, flap wings store 0.6 litres of fuel, but non flap wings store 1.2 litres. This incentivises the player to use the minimal amount of functional blocks and design their vehicles intelligently for the task at hand.
I could theoretically refill predefined amounts/percentages of fuel, but that is not necessary for my mod.
The player refuels fully when they are at the home base (located at the centre of the map).

[dapper jay]

do you disable the engines by setting their power to 0?

[ionic jacinth]

Yh, Ideally I would be able to save the detected engine modblocks and check if they are on or not, but as we know the API can't do that (yet 🤞). Instead, I have to disable them until the player presses down the space bar and redisable them when the space bar is depressed.
(The thrusters crash the game if set to a power of 0, so I set them to a power of 0.1)

[regal bear]

The drafting update for Track Creator Plus is now live:
#1242291936715608205 message

[ionic jacinth]

I've been making an item collection system. Blueprints will be scattered across the map, and once collected, the player will be able to build with the item(s) inside. But its awfully complex.
Has anyone done anything similar where items are scattered around and can be collected?

[dapper jay]

probably not

how would you prevent players from using the parts they havent unlocked yet?

[ionic jacinth]

Teleporting players back to spawn if they have illegal blocks

The illegal blocks are added to a list during build mode. And in order for fuel to be able to be used, you have to enter build mode.

And if the number of illegal blocks in the illegal blocks list exceeds 0, the player is teleported back...

[dapper jay]

ah i see

[near parcel]

i haven't done it, but you should just be able to have some sort of table which maps a block name to a boolean which indicates if it's usable or not. When blocks are unlocked, you can just update that table, and when checking if the player used a locked block you can look up the block's name there

[shadow iris]

noiro did something for raftmakers

for spawning/collecting items

[ionic jacinth]

Backface culling for custom objects is a blessing!

And also a curse... It seems the autogenerated LODs aren't a fan of this technique...

[shadow iris]

omg this texture even if low res is pretty

i had a better setup but ill try getting that back

[wispy crescent]

How hard would it be to set up custom spawn points that behave like the proper ones where by passing into its bounds sets it as your respawn point? Would it be able to work for individual players so they can “discover” spawn points independently?

[radiant lion]

Not that hard, if you are fine with square checkpoints

Actually circulars won't be any harder, if you can find a spherical asset that can be invisible and non-collideable

[wispy crescent]

I’m guessing it also wouldn’t be hard to spawn a object to indicate you’ve activated it, though that wouldn’t be distinguished between players unless you gave each player they’re own color but that’s starting to sound over complicated

[radiant lion]

Ye, can't show an object to a singular player, so that's a bit more finicky

If anyone wants to do it themselves feel free to, else I could add it when I return active-ish (February)

[wispy crescent]

I could try, but last time I looked at a document describing how to code in the relevant language my brain shut off. I need to find less dry learning materials

[dapper jay]

woo i love lods!!!!

[paper bone]

I personally find it to be a great way to learn by looking at how other mods did certain things, like what functions did they use to get that button displayed or such. Lua really isnt that difficult of a language but it does have its weird moments

[ionic jacinth]

I have finally got saving progress, and collecting items to work within my mod!

It is now possible in my mod to collect new blocks from items scattered around!

Just gotta finalise and GIFify!

This is currently the item model I am using for my mod... but I need something that makes more sense than a chunk of ore...
I thought a blueprint might make more sense, but It would feel weird to have floating blueprints scattered around...
(For context, the interactable item, gives you access to build with a new block)

[ionic jacinth]

I might see if I am able to make a hologram effect for these items...

[ionic jacinth]

This is the best hologram effect I can currently make 😦

(Devs we really need transparent textures!!!)

This one is slightly better

[ionic jacinth]

This has a better view of the transparency

[shadow iris]

not bad

[shadow iris]

and custom surfaces and functional nocollision and half decent custom ui and half decent custom asset loading and fixed custom model complexity limitation

[paper bone]

Maybe a toolbox?

[ionic jacinth]

I LOVE THAT IDEA!

[ionic jacinth]

We ideally need all of the standard material sections...

[ionic jacinth]

!!! Very good idea thank you Blockmantahampta, you will be credited in the mod description!

[ionic jacinth]

I think it will be time for a GIF

[paper bone]

lol thanks :D

[ionic jacinth]

This is a demonstration of the system that allows my custom campaign to function. Players will be able to find toolboxes scattered across the map, and when they collect them, they will unlock a new block to help with their exploration!

[dapper jay]

Maybe the outline should be white instead of black?

[ionic jacinth]

I originally wanted to do that, but the culled faces still produce shadows, so a white outline makes shadows onto itself, turning it a weird grey. So I unfortunately have to use black as it won't change colour.

If we were able to use emissive materials, I wouldn't have this problem

[dapper jay]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-loltyler1-screaming-dead-wtf-gif-17500255

[hot patrol]

is it possible to mod the pc xbox gamepass version?

[near parcel]

no

[shadow iris]

pc-steam version only

[ionic jacinth]

For any of you curious, I am making a new map for my campaign mod, this one will have many more environmental challenges and be far far bigger (My last map was 2000x2000 and this one may be 4000 x 4000 with much more land focused gameplay). The attached GIF is an example of one such challenge. Of course the player can solve the challenge a different way, but that is part of the fun!
One downside, is that almost all of my challenges will require a fairly good understanding of TM physics meaning that less skilled players may struggle...

[shadow iris]

One downside, is that almost all of my challenges will require a fairly good understanding of TM physics
this is a good thing. i would say a significant part if not majority of the community doesn't really have difficult challenges besides stuff like build challenges, which aren't really baked into the game itself as much as a campaign is. my thought process is that i want a challenge, and think a lot of people do, so why not make some?

[topaz arrow]

better yet, if someone doesnt know, but is willing to try, may learn stuff about the game they didnt know

[shadow iris]

this as well. though it depends on if the mechanic used is intuitive enough to be discovered by the player rather than told by the game

[near parcel]

generally the people who download mods for a game already have experience, so it's a different audience from the normal campaigns

[shadow iris]

any tips/suggestions for mod icons? we need ones for map overview info, vehicle garage info, mission start/end/fail/info, player save data info, and probably a couple more generic mod info ones

my current idea for generic mod ones is to use that cube in the top left, and then a symbol for what type it is (info, alert, saving)

generic save icon is now also "done". idk about whether to move them further apart or to keep it scaled down like it is right now. if i keep them at the same scale i'd have to move them apart because they're too close but then it looks bigger than all the other vanilla icons. scaling it down causes it too look too small compared to the cube

[ionic jacinth]

Does anyone know how to stop my custom 3d models from having black faces?

Some of the LODs contain black faces which don't normally appear in the LOD 0 of the custom model

[near parcel]

you can add a small vertex/triangle far from the normal model to extend the max range for highest quality LOD, although you will need to spawn it with concave hitbox to avoid weird collisions and might result in slighly worse performance (since you are essentially bypassing LODs, it's up to you to adjust the range for them to keep being effective)

[ionic jacinth]

I'll try that...

The one with black faces is before the fix. Thank you Alva.

[ionic jacinth]

Why is it that no-one talks about the wind volume prefab?
ITS BRILLIANT! And it works exactly like the wind in high seas!

This will allow me to make a wind tunnel that can only be surpassed with enough downforce or engine power!

[near parcel]

because afaik it stopped working correctly a while ago

[ionic jacinth]

What part of it stopped working?

[near parcel]

iirc it just did nothing, but i haven't personally tested it

[ionic jacinth]

Mine is currently working on Great Carrier Reef
(I wonder if it stops working in multiplayer or under other conditions...)

[regal bear]

Another option is to scale your model down to some smaller size in Blender, re-export it then scale it up in your mod. It seems to scale up the lod distances when you do this.

[hoary skiff]

Would mods ever get a tab built in game for consoles? Would make sense to be in 2.0 imo, I understand it might be challenging, but certain features like fan maps, and complexity mods are locked away from playstation and Xbox platforms.

[near parcel]

Likely not, and complexity definitely no

[hoary skiff]

RIP my hopes and dreams, kinda don't see increased complexity as an issue, but if it's off the table I'll live with it, kinda do want custom maps tho..

I'll keep prayin I guess, might get noticed one day.

[radiant lion]

As of now you can't even get controller inputs with mods

Aka even if you got them on console they can't really do much

[shadow iris]

what was the website that had all the audio again

[ionic jacinth]

I have another GIF for all of you! To access one of the areas in my map, you will need to get through a chokepoint with strong winds! If your vehicle doesn't have enough downforce, you'll just be chucked away!
This allows me to design challenges in areas only accessible to specific vehicle types which should make the challenges harder to cheat!

[cinder spruce]

lol reminds me of old alpha demo and the wind bridges and stuff

[ionic jacinth]

It is likely that it will be very similar to the older campaign modes of the game, as I want to avoid letting players use bionic vehicles, which means making similar challenges.
However to make up for that similarity, we will have to deal with designing fuel efficient vehicles in this campaign!

[shadow iris]

i did not know the wind object still works. noted!

puts gigantic wind block over original trailmakers map to prevent players from accessing it

or just around the whole map in general

[ionic jacinth]

It is limited in size. I put the scale factor to 1000 and it only affected vehicles as if it were scale factor 200.
I think beyond a certain scale, scaling it stops having an affect on its size.
Additionally, you sadly cannot control the strength of the wind.
Edit, you can control the strength of the wind, its requires careful planning, and I'll make a graphic explaining how...

[radiant lion]

Encase the original island inside a very big dome

The Simpsons style

Scaled up force field + invisible ball for collision

[ionic jacinth]

By default, the wind speed of the wind volume is 58...
And this doesn't change regardless of the scale of the wind volume...

And wind is not additive, so having two parallel wind volumes stacked on top of each other, doesn't double the wind speed

HOWEVER!

Wind is subtractive!

If two wind volumes point in opposite directions, they will cancel out

And they cancel out each other's x, y and z vectors respectively!

Using this, you can make wind of any vector with a magnitude less than 58 in the overlapping region!

And potentially, this means that if you dynamically place wind volumes at the player's position using a lookup table which states what windspeed should be where with interpolation of some kind, you could create a very intricate custom wind system!

I might do that once I finish my campaign mod...

I've just done some quick maths, and I think this is very very doable!!!
And will involve isosceles triangles!
Edit, the vector maths is incredibly difficult (for me, even though I'm decent at maths!) and it will take me a while to make a Lua function that does this wind cancelling out
I've figured out the maths... Time to turn it into code...
The code is taking its time, but desmos is a trooper in helping me figure it out...
Also, this will be GIFified once I am done!

[ionic jacinth]

I have made a variable wind mod!

[topaz arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/marketmove-mm-move-cool-trend-gif-25255233

[ionic jacinth]

The PowerCore crate shows the direction the wind is heading to!
(It is not shown in this GIF, but you can control the magnitude of the wind...)

We technically can have wind in any map now!

This is the desmos tool I used to figure out the calculations necessary to make variable wind speeds!
https://www.desmos.com/geometry/g35rvkh5mj

I'll probably clean up the code for the wind function, then share it...

The general idea is that PFB wind trigger boxes have a magnitude of 58, so by using two of them, and rotating those two so that the resultant vector is the vector of wind we want, and then placing those two boxes onto the player so that they overlap, we can make wind that can be of any magnitude and direction!

The tricky part is figuring out the rotation since it requires the quadratic equation!

[shadow iris]

trailcargo campaign mode is probably going to run like complete garbage but its gonna be so amazing tech/feature-wise

hopefully the sandbox mode is performant

im pretty sure all that will be in the sandbox mode is:

• the detailed map
• spawnpoints + custom map screen
• dynamic and configurable wind
• toggleable dynamic time of day

[ionic jacinth]

I believe I will be helping with the wind?

[shadow iris]

i suppose yes

[regal bear]

Amazing work! Well done 🙂

[quiet chasm]

anybody have or know of an oddly spesific mod?

cuz i need a mod that will tell me like turn times and roll rates n stuff

[hard shore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3414758326

Drifting map I made

[shadow iris]

that thumbnail looks nice but i feeel like its just basic road

you can use those big red mushroom prefabs i think in the shrub category as a grass surface

and then cover it with no collision stuff

[ionic jacinth]

Does anyone know why the wind volumes cannot be moved by .gettransform().setposition(pos)?
I currently have to delete and replace them which is laggy

[warm canopy]

They are a non-moveable object

My guess is because the wind itself is not really tied to the object, it’s more like a trigger. Wind also disables if you are not that far away from the object

[ionic jacinth]

Eh, its not that big of a deal fortunately

[ionic jacinth]

I am currently making some optimisations to the wind calculations, so they can be faster!

[ionic jacinth]

I have released a Utility for making custom wind in trailmakers!

[ionic jacinth]

I have uploaded a mod to the workshop called 'Hash wind mod'

[ionic jacinth]

I have updated Hash wind mod to have multiplayer support.

Please try it out!

[ionic jacinth]

If only they changed that, and allowed us to move it. Then I could make the system far less janky.

[shadow iris]

if only they added and changed the other 50000 things

[ionic jacinth]

They'll never do that within the next 2 years

I have lost all hope

[shadow iris]

theyll never o that within the next

[ionic jacinth]

Speaking of that, has anyone compiled a list of all the changes to the API we want?

[shadow iris]

no because it would take months to compile

[ionic jacinth]

hmmmmm

[shadow iris]

uhh some of the important changes/improvements/additions in general were:

• better custom asset loading times
• better texture material support (we have roughness, but theres other things like emissive)

[ionic jacinth]

I think there are quite a few random additions to some of the systems we have, like getting the velocity of a block, or the current logic input

I might make a list in my spare time and try and rank it from easiest to implement to hardest.

[shadow iris]

oh yes all the stuff like custom checkpoints, stuff related to structures (lift the requirement of being owned by a player)

[near parcel]

that's what #1123915629653667943 is for

[ionic jacinth]

But does it not take ages to look though all of the changes?

If we had a concise list of ideas, that would be nice

[near parcel]

#1123915629653667943 is what the devs use to see what to add to the API

[ionic jacinth]

Sometimes its nice as a modder to be able to see an overview of what API changes might come ||(in 10 years 💀 )||

[near parcel]

that would essentially be the same as #1123915629653667943 , if you don't open the posts you can see a summary from the title

[ionic jacinth]

This list I would make, would likely be private anyway, so saying its redundant is not important to me.

[paper bone]

I should maybe put this in vote modding features then

[radiant lion]

skimming at the suggested features i'm also surprised there is no mention of tri creation, there has been quite a lot of talk about it

[serene magnet]

Just wanted to ask here if there was a way to give a custom object textures like glow and such. Wanted to create an asset pack of neon objects but wanted to see if its possible

[cinder spruce]

not possible
currently custom models only support a base color and roughness value, no emmisive textures

[serene magnet]

Ah dang

I didn't know about the roughness value either so thats also helpful LOL

Welp. Glad I asked before I made all the models

[ionic jacinth]

I would like to point out that fast communication between mods is possible, and I'm not talking about doing so through a complex multi raycast system. you can use the getwindspeed() function to get the windspeed from wind volumes places by other mods. And by using my function that modifies the windspeed at a position, you can make two mods communicate via a 58 signal bus (same as sending 6.5 bits of information between each mod each frame). I'm not really bothered in doing this myself, but it could be useful as a way to make modpacks, or make compound mods which are less laggy. And even better, by placing the wind volumes underwater, they don't affect players, but getwindspeed() still works!
If anyone does this, I would propose that both 58 and 0 are null signals, as other wind volume mods could interfere with the sent signals.
You would need to be able to code both mods, or you can say use position 0,-100,0 as your information access port, and have other mods access the windspeed information put through that channel.

[near parcel]

if you want to make a modpack, you can just bundle all mods and load them on your main mod. Way faster communication with no overhead/lag, and users just need to install and load a single mod

[ionic jacinth]

it could be useful as a way to make modpacks
Emphasis on could.
In the context of modpacks I would imagine the main benefit would be allowing players to install just the modparts they want in a sort of jigsaw puzzle way, and to allow those individual modpacks to work together in some limited fashion.
Also, working on one huge mod is a pain, and if its possible to split it up, personally thats what I would do.

[near parcel]

mods are small, just having flags to enable/disable components of a single mod would run much better in practice at the cost of just a few MB of extra storage in the worst case (which on PC nowadays is basically nothing)

Also, working on one huge mod is a pain, and if its possible to split it up, personally thats what I would do.
you can split mods using tm.os.DoFile(filename)

[ionic jacinth]

Speaking about DoFile(filename) can the lua code that is run by it, access variables from the main.lua file?

I haven't used that function whatsoever so I don't know

[near parcel]

if they are global, yes, but using global variables is a terrible idea anyways. If they are local, they can only be accessed in the scope they were defined in

[ionic jacinth]

I tend to avoid global variables for most things, but knowing that they can be used for this... I will make my mods far better!

[near parcel]

if you use local variables defined outside of any function, they can only be accessed/modified through code in the file they were defined in

[near parcel]

there are far better methods of handling it than global variables

[ionic jacinth]

I'm lazy 🫡 so Global variables it is

[near parcel]

that will only give you more work a couple weeks from now when your code becomes and unreadable spaghetti you can't reason about

[ionic jacinth]

🍝 Spaghetti code is delicious! ||Jokes aside, I don't actually make mods complicated enough for them to become spaghetti||

[warm canopy]

Im one step ahead, I also had the exact same idea a week ago with the cross-mod communication

The problem is that wind despawns when out of player range so it cannot be relied on

I did however make a system that could communicate bools and single digits between multiple mods with help of raycast but idk

[radiant lion]

You just might be able to do send a quite large amount of data if mods can get the same spawned structure by id

Tho technically it can be done even without the getstructure(id)... The problem is the builds despawning when the player backspaces

[warm canopy]

The only way I could find when testing that couldn't be impacted by the player was having a raycast measure the hit position of a resizing cube that resized in height.

[radiant lion]

Devs should totally add a realistic way to communicate between mods, having an analog signal simulator, complete with noise and a low pass filter

[ionic jacinth]

What about spawning the wind a set number of units below the player...

I think I may make a quick and dirty test mod to test the despawn limit, so that I can find out it my approach is practical or not

[warm canopy]

But you cant move the wind object, youd need to constantly spawn/despawn the wind object at the player and that might be pretty heavy in terms of performance impact

[ionic jacinth]

could be optimised by only spawning the wind object at set grid points, e.g every 100 x or z units.

[warm canopy]

The other option is you use the time or teams to store data

[radiant lion]

I do still think that using thrust/health or whatever of a spawned vehicle would be one of the best option

[warm canopy]

The moment someone pressed backspace though all hell breaks loose

[radiant lion]

No interference between sets of mods, you can transfer full floats without imprecision, the only problem is loss of data on respawn

Of course you make sure it's handled properly, even the wind moving is gonna have some minor down time and you don't often need to transfer data on respawns

And possibly the build will despawn after 15 minutes

[ionic jacinth]

I think the limitation with the wind system is the distance at which it despawns. If it despawns 500 units away, it will be doable, <100 units will be near useless
Also depends on if x, y and z have different despawn ranges

There is one other hacky bad option that shouldn't be considered...
Have an external program read and edit values in each mod's datadynamic folder automatically...

[warm canopy]

Then it looses the ease of it just working

[near parcel]

in practice, just bundling the mods will work better than any hacky solution to communicate independent mods

[warm canopy]

Probably but this is way more fun 😛

This is what I came up with a week ago but would be nicer if we had other ways

Also only works on treasure island as thats what it was setup for

[ionic jacinth]

An example of where this would be useful is being able to decouple maps from their custom campaigns

[near parcel]

it would be useless in that case, since the map itself shouldn't have any logic other than the map loader (if decoupled), and as a result doesn't have a reason to send/receive any data to/from other mods

[ionic jacinth]

It might, you never know...

[radiant lion]

If the map has some moving part and you need to, for example, spawn stuff on it, it would be needed

But it's very niche case and only needs to get synced once

So a raycast won't be an issue

[ionic jacinth]

An example, would be a tunnel filled with wind. By default, this stays in the map mod. but the campaign mod may want to disable/reenable it during a cutscene ect, so being able to communicate would solve this issue.

[near parcel]

if you know where the wind is, you can disable it with a second wind in the opposite direction, no communication needed

[ionic jacinth]

for this example maybe, but if the wind works in a more complex way, which it will be for any of my mods, then your method won't work

[radiant lion]

i present you some quite cursed and possibly useless tech

that's right, i'm building a cube piece by piece, since the devs didn't make the function to spawn custom tris i had to make one myself, no more pesky loading times and welcome real time procedurally generated stuff

||it's quite terrible, the hitbox is totally messed up, and even like this it gets culled from quite close up||

[warm canopy]

It’s built using triangles?

[radiant lion]

ye

[warm canopy]

Noice

[radiant lion]

this mesh, a bunch of times

i honestly think it'll kill the performance as soon as you spawn too many

[warm canopy]

Maybe, the terrain generator I made generated the mesh first then spawned it but maybe your solution is more performant

[radiant lion]

it should be quicker since it avoids having to load the mesh back into tm, i've sen how slow procedurally generated terrain like that is

tho, do note, it's a terrible idea to try to read and parse a large obj file all in one go, should be done line by line in the update function

[warm canopy]

Wait you are reading a obj file currently?

[radiant lion]

yeah, i can spawn triangles standalone, but rn it's together with an obj parser

[warm canopy]

Ah Nice

[radiant lion]

btw the limit of object parsing is somewhere between 8 and 459127 vertices

to be fair i don't know what i was thinking making the game create a table of half a million vectors (i didn't check how big the object was)

incredible render distance

[shadow iris]

how will textures work?

[radiant lion]

Not

All the tris get the same texture

It's mostly a proof of concept/challenge to myself, it honestly has too many drawbacks, tho it should work quite well for generated terrain and road

[warm canopy]

You might need to add a random polygon out of view

[radiant lion]

It's already there

Without it it's much worse, believe it or not

[warm canopy]

Maybe have the model bigger then scale it down?

[radiant lion]

That worked?

[ionic jacinth]

Very very impressive. Could this (theoretically) be adapted to animate things, like waves on a subdivided plane?
(Ik it would be too much effort lol)

[warm canopy]

Has for me in past I think

[radiant lion]

I'll see

[radiant lion]

Technically, yes, practically, it's probably gonna be quite twitchy, usual TM set position behaviour

[warm canopy]

Yeah unless it’s a rigidbody

[radiant lion]

It's also gonna need a move Tri function, but it's not hard to add

[paper bone]

Could also make softbodies, no? :p

[radiant lion]

With enough effort...

Tho a bit scuffed since the hit boxes would need to be disabled (unless you are fine with 0 LOD)

[radiant lion]

Re-thinking about this it might actually be more annoying than expected

Due to how triangles and scaling works, I can use one object for any acute triangle, but I have to split obtuse triangles into 2

(yes, with a different 3d object it is technically possible to achieve obtuse triangles, but not all of them)

Long story short, moving triangles will require every Tri to already be split into 2 objects, could get laggy real quick

[radiant lion]

damn it, we have structure ModStructure.GetVelocity but not ModGameObject.GetVelocity

[radiant lion]

is it me or ModGameObject.AddForce straight up doesn't work? (i remember block having that same issue a while back)

like, any of the 4 options, on every object i tried till now

my guess is the function is broken..? it should work at least on the player, at least it did so when i jankily added it via dlls

[radiant lion]

something has been done

came out a fair bit worse than expected

but it works-ish

tm really isn't happy, a 4x4 with cover lags way too much, same as a 5x5 coverless

truly something

[cinder spruce]

cloth physics in trailmakers before 2.0

[cinder spruce]

and softbody

[radiant lion]

The physics itself is decent, but the tris really don't like it

[cinder spruce]

new wheels mod, just make the thing into a rounded cylinder

[radiant lion]

||what if I were to say tank treads||

[ionic jacinth]

I would say: DO IT!
(If its easy enough)

[cinder spruce]

maybe wheels alone first

[shadow iris]

@ionic jacinth dirt particles are a bit messed up with your new wind mods

but this isnt really fixable is it

[ionic jacinth]

Unfortunately not, the solution I used is quite hacky, even the windsock piece points in the completely wrong direction...

I have just thought of one or two optimisiations I can do for the wind mod. (I forgot to set some variables as local...)
I'll update the mods soon

[radiant lion]

That's a good question... The API limitation and all the general wonkyness sure don't help, no addforce at position... No constraints... I'll have to see

Or like... The unity wheel collider... That could have been something... Tho iirc main TM also doesn't use it

[serene magnet]

Quick question: are you able to apply custom textures to the objects that come with the game?

[near parcel]

No

[serene magnet]

Dammit

Now I'm stuck between two rocks. Too many polygons to render custom assets, too many textures to use prefab from the game

[cinder spruce]

made a new g force mod that actually uses centripetal acceleration, as supposed to noiros which i don’t think uses it.

it feels a bit more natural

[cinder spruce]

https://flashbulb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TMMOD/overview
what happened to this page?

or am i just in the wrong place?

[shadow iris]

explosions and fire

yeah a bookmark i had that did work, no longer does

its been nuked

😭

[cinder spruce]

welp time to find spawnable prefabs the normal way

[shadow iris]

pfb?

[cinder spruce]

yea mb

[shadow iris]

we had a list of broken pfbs over in trailmappers thread

out of date objects is close enough

[cinder spruce]

thanks i got it already

[radiant lion]

Tm mods are not real

[wet grail]

Is it possible to add custom models to Trailmakers?

[radiant lion]

Yeah, as long as they aren't too complex

[wet grail]

I wanted to make a tornado object but didn't know if it was possible :)

[radiant lion]

You can't make stuff semitransparent unfortunately

[wet grail]

It doesn't need to be semitransparent

Plain colour would look good still

[radiant lion]

Well, then you can look at the default spawnmodadv to see how to spawn them

[weak wolf]

hi guys, i hope this is the right chat for this. im trying to upload a modded map i made with trailmappers, as i did a few times before. But now i get a message that im missing a main.lua file. I have no clue what that is and why now all of a sudden i need it.... help?

[near parcel]

did you export the map?

[weak wolf]

yeah. saved and exported. Also tested it a few times in Trailmakers. Works just fine, just wont let me upload it

[near parcel]

what are you writing for the directory?

[weak wolf]

C:\Users\ ...\Documents\Trailmappers\Saves\Rally Mania

Rally Mania being the name of the mod and thus also the name of the folder

ah wait... i gotta add \Map.json dont i? i kinda missed that for days but now i feel like thats the easy solution

[near parcel]

use mods/Rally Mania

[serene magnet]

hey, how would i change the roughness on objects?

[shadow iris]

lower the alpha/opacity of the texture

[cinder spruce]

has anyone found an efficient way to detect block damage or destruction on creations? i really would like to make a mod that makes bullets have an explosive effect on impact but i cant think of great ways to detecting block damage that isnt likely to be really laggy

[cinder spruce]

this might explain it

yea makes a bit of sense

kind of liked the structure of this website though

[keen sierra]

Is there any kind of documentation for moding in tm ?

[paper bone]

https://trailmakers.ludixi.com/info/
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding

[radiant lion]

https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS/blob/master/library/tm-api.lua

[keen sierra]

thx

[shadow iris]

whats the limits/requirements for the mod icon again? it isnt uploading for me
512x512, 363kb

oh it isnt working even with trailmappers' icon

still isnt working but at least the default icon loaded

[radiant lion]

Anything less than a mb should work

Don't remember if jpg or png

[shadow iris]

trailmappers exports a png

rn its probably an issue with tm servers because regardless of if its trailmappers' export or my own, it fails to upload the icon

[serene magnet]

Quick question: can trailmakers run async functions?

[near parcel]

you can use corutines for that, but if you want an async/await syntax you need to implement that yourself

[serene magnet]

sick

[serene magnet]

of course as soon as i get increment based spinning done on my saws i figure out quaternions exist and might be able to make my rotation both smoother and faster

yay

[late zinc]

Please mod money

[shadow iris]

can somebody else upload a mod and see if custom mod thumbnails are broken? seems to still be broken for me

363 KB, 512x512, .png
trailmappers exports a 720x720 .png around 650 KB

HOWEVER i tried uploading the same mod with trailmappers' thumbnail and it also didnt work

ofc it works for the test upload but not the actual one god damnit

YAY IT WORKED but for the space-less version and only after like 20 attempts

[serene magnet]

I can try

[shadow iris]

YESSSIRRRRRR

[serene magnet]

Nice nice

[crystal laurel]

Are there any mods for a big city map? Something to build cars trucks and things for

[shadow iris]

some have been posting screenshots/gifs but idk if it's released. @hollow yew

[serene magnet]

does anyone know how i would set the Axis when im creating a quaternion. the docs just say its a vector3 but i am being small brain

[regal bear]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2448749182&searchtext=city

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2550000020&searchtext=trailcity

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2913000316&searchtext=city

[crystal laurel]

Thx

[hollow yew]

not yet...still wip. its around the size of those 3 maps together i think

[serene magnet]

figuring out smooth rotation. yippee

[serene magnet]

Are you able to use something like Lualanes to multithread within trailmakers?

If not then I can write my own multithreading library I just wanna see if I can save myself some work

[near parcel]

Iirc lua by default has no support for multithreading, you can only use corutines for collaborative multitasking

[serene magnet]

yeah i just wanted to know if i could use libraries with the lua interpreter in TM or if i had to write my own local plugin to handle threading

well to psuedo thread

[near parcel]

if the libraries use lua 5.2, don't have dependencies/multiple files, and don't use any of the disabled std lib functions, you can use them. Otherwise you will have to tinker a bit with them to get them to work

[cinder spruce]

does anyone have a list of the default color values?

[robust anvil]

is there a nuclear bomb mod

[cinder spruce]

i believe there was but i dont think it was ever uploaded
it was made by noiro and i dont think hes coming back to do so

[scenic echo]

how do you use raycast and know when it hits?
i have something like this and it does not work

local ray = tm.physics.RaycastData(pos, rot, 1200, false)
if ray.DidHit() == true then
....
end

[radiant lion]

Iirc you put a variable as the last input instead of false, the function then changes is to true if it hits

local hit=nil
local ray= TM.physics.Raycast(pos,rot,hit,1200,false)
if hit ~= nil then
...
End

This should work

If you want to use raycastdata instead of raycast yours seems correct

[scenic echo]

is hit the position of where it hit?

[radiant lion]

Yes, hit gets changed to where it hit

If it hit

[scenic echo]

i'm gonna try this

can raycast hit blocks?

[radiant lion]

Last I checked yes

[scenic echo]

if i get the position and rotation of a block and use those for the raycast will it work?

[scenic echo]

this gives me a error when it hits so i switched back to what i had and it works

my problem was the ray not hitting

[scenic echo]

How can i get the rotation of a block? i tried GetRotation() but it doesn't update in real time

[radiant lion]

Rotation is local

Welcome to tm

You have to use .forward() and .right()

[scenic echo]

It works perfectly now, thanks

[scenic echo]

is there a way to remove a keybind made with tm.input.RegisterFunctionToKeyDownCallback(playerId, functionName, keyName)?

[near parcel]

i don't think so, but you can add a check at the start of the function that returns without doing anything if some flag has been set, removing it in practice

[serene magnet]

is there any way to read the data of a specific axis on a vector3?

i could try using string.find but i wanted to see if there was a less hacky way to do it

[radiant lion]

.x .y and .z

[serene magnet]

thanks

[serene magnet]

how do you use triggers? i have some stuff set to it but i cant find either on the docs or the wiki on how to actually return a call when they are touched

[regal bear]

--- Registers a function to the collision enter callback of a game object
--- @param targetObject ModGameObject
--- @param functionName string
--- @return function
function tm.physics.RegisterFunctionToCollisionEnterCallback(targetObject, functionName) end

or

--- Registers a function to the collision exit callback of a game object
--- @param targetObject ModGameObject
--- @param functionName string
--- @return function
function tm.physics.RegisterFunctionToCollisionExitCallback(targetObject, functionName) end

@radiant lion knows more about it than me though as he wrote the code I use for checkpoints - ie getting more data out of a hit than the default register functions give you.

[serene magnet]

thanks

problem

[radiant lion]

just need to write the name as a string

[serene magnet]

oh

[regal bear]

eg.
tm.physics.RegisterFunctionToCollisionEnterCallback(pitInTrigger, "onCollisionPitInTrigger")

[serene magnet]

ayyy it works

and it stopped workingh

[radiant lion]

any errors?

[serene magnet]

no errors in the logs

and if i walk on them they trigger, what the heck

[regal bear]

So does your button call the same function as the trigger box does?

[serene magnet]

yeah

[regal bear]

A button sends callbackData, the triggers only send the playerID I think

[radiant lion]

is the objects set as trigger?

[radiant lion]

he's not using any variables in the funciton, shouldn't change anything

[radiant lion]

ah... right

[regal bear]

how tall is your trigger box?

[radiant lion]

yeah, the problem is simpler than expected, they just only detect players

not builds

[serene magnet]

its 1 face

the backside is even culled

[radiant lion]

so spawn a trigger, make it invisile and place it covering the area above

[serene magnet]

so maybe spawning a invisible cube above it with no collisions could fix that

[regal bear]

the trigger box needs to be high enough to collide with the player

or make a trigger box with the triggerbox function

[radiant lion]

use tm.physics.SpawnBoxTrigger(position, size)

(better than spawning a cube, as those still have collision at times)

rotate it to match with the floor

and make it high enough so any bot gets detected

[serene magnet]

fixed it

[regal bear]

and then once you are happy, make it invisible

[serene magnet]

just changed the scale attribute of my 1 face thing to like 1000 y

doesnt change the size of it because its 1 face but changes the hitbox

[regal bear]

yep but you will have wheels and the player collide with it

[serene magnet]

not since its that big

collider is above the arena

so its only using the non collidable box

[radiant lion]

well, if you see any weird behaviour you know what to do

[serene magnet]

yep

[radiant lion]

but supposedly it should work, as long as the collider is that far aaway

[regal bear]

yeah making an object that already has a hitbox into a trigger does not get rid of all the collision

[serene magnet]

yeah i noticed that with my floor tiles

[regal bear]

in trigger mode an object's hitbox should be what makes the trigger work - but i could be wrong.

[serene magnet]

thanks for the help yall. im very much still trying to figure this all out LOL

[regal bear]

np. I only figured things out by asking here. I still am figuring new things out lol. It never ends.

[serene magnet]

im still trying to keep my bots from sinking through my floor

[regal bear]

good luck. I hear more polygons can help - but they cause other probs then 🤷‍♂️

[serene magnet]

oh dear god

ive already had to cut so many polygons just to deal with this shit custom asset rendering system

if i have slightly too many polygons in my model it just straight up crashes the game

[regal bear]

yup

what is the sinking you are talking about?

[serene magnet]

lemme go check my vod from when we first used it. i think ive mostly fixed it now

heres a clip of it happening since i cant get it to retrigger with the new changes i put in place https://www.twitch.tv/antimatterdev/clip/AltruisticArbitraryMinkUnSane-lQqy76FyeIaviYE_

as you can see the floor has become not floor anymore

[regal bear]

yeah wheels can pop under surfaces and they still detect the back face of the surface. They use raycasts and those raycasts go outward all around the wheel. Also motorbike wheels are really bad for popping under.

[serene magnet]

seems legit

i just made the object thicker and it seemed to fix that

[serene magnet]

weird question but can you adjust the strength of a spawned explosion. like the PFB_Explosion_Small

because im trying to get the strength of the PFB_Explosion_Large or XL but with the radius of the Small

[scenic echo]

you can make a explosion smaller with .GetTransform().SetScale(size) but you can't make it bigger

Right now in two of my mods i have the issue of the server crashing after a player joined if a explosion was spawned before the player joined, does anyone know how to fix this?
Removing the explosion completely fixes it but i need it in the mod

i tested custom missiles mod too and it has the same problem

[scenic echo]

i made a quick mod that spawns one single explosion when the mod gets activated and then tested it in a server with the mod and the server crashed while someone tried to join
this is the mod i used, am i doing something wrong?

[dapper jay]

i think game sus

[regal bear]

Not sure if it's related but I remember a while back encountering mod errors with any object that exploded or that was breakable. If you then tried to despawn all objects the mod would generate an error when it tried to despawn those objects that had already destroyed themselves (and therefore no longer existed).

[regal bear]

Just thinking - maybe you can check for the existence of the explosion object for each player as they join?

[serene magnet]

If anyone wants them I'm gonna be writing out some of my useful functions into a plugin that can be imported into a Lua project

Like my quaternion turning function

[radiant lion]

By that you mean rotating a vector by a quaternion?

[regal bear]

Here's a sneak peek at some of new things coming soon to TCP
More info here: #1242291936715608205 message

[radiant lion]

this is just me being pedantic, but geometric or quaternion slerp? (just curious)

||good job me for forgetting everything in a day, i'm guessing quaternion slerp, else it doesn't make sense mentioning them||

[serene magnet]

Yeah one of the main things is quaternion slerp my function just simplifies the process alot and coroutines it

[scenic echo]

Can you add velocity to a 3d model that has been spawned?

[paper bone]

Yes but only if its a custom object

[hollow yew]

Im using it alot recently. U cought me intresteeedd

[regal bear]

Let me know what to improve and also if you come across any bugs

[hollow yew]

i didnt checked new update so maybe this msg is usless.
there is a bug, umm no, i cant call it a bug, it is just a wrong use of my stupid ass XD
when im creating a track for laps, where should i finish it? on the start line? before? after?
normally now, im placing it a lil before the start line.
when i finish a race sometimes i accidently starting new one cuz start and finish are close to each other.
and when it does, the last score i got is replaced with the new one i started by mistake :
any way to avoid it? suggestion for a better finish line spot? maybe a 2sec delay before i can start new race?💜

[regal bear]

That's interesting. When the player finishes they are removed from their vehicle and dropped a little distance past the finish so I guess you're start is right at that point. I always leave quite a gap between the finish and the start (the finish should be before the start) so I've never had this problem. If you have your start a bit further away it should be fine. As mentioned the next update will allow you to reposition both the start and finish if you want to. Is there a reason you want to have the start and finish close together?

[crystal igloo]

how do you make maps for trailmakers?

[crystal igloo]

Nvm i just figured it out but thanks

[cinder spruce]

the best tool is an unoffical editor on the steam store named trailmappers

[formal crane]

mega ultra late, but all the confluence modding docs got moved to the Wiki such that everyone can help us with creating a good knowledge base.

Here is the list of spawnables.
With pictures!
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[scenic echo]

how can i make a custom object have no collision?

[regal bear]

Set as trigger (must be spawned as convex hull)

Note it will still collide with the player and wheels

[hollow yew]

@regal bear Well i do want them as single start/finish line only when doing laps track. But not necessary. Ill try today placing the finish further away from the start. Cant w8 for the pits

[scenic echo]

is there a way to get the position of a custom object?

[radiant lion]

Does the usual GetPosition() not work

[scenic echo]

i just didn't see it in documentation so i asked

[radiant lion]

Understandable

Well, try that, should work

[scenic echo]

alright

[scenic echo]

gives me a error

seems like it doesn't work

[radiant lion]

That's... Annoying

I knew custom objects were treated slightly different, but that's quite stupid

[scenic echo]

i wanted to make a raycast from the old position of a custom object to the current position to see if it passed through a build or the ground

but now idk if that's possible

[radiant lion]

And I'm guessing it has to be a custom objects?

[scenic echo]

yeah

[scenic echo]

i did GetTransform().GetPosition() and it doesn't give me errors so it may work

yeah it works

[radiant lion]

-_-

[shadow iris]

thats crazy bro a blank screenshot
also noco is back!?!

[regal bear]

OK. I think the next update will make it better for you as the Finish line will be the timing line for all laps after lap 1. So that effectively means it's both the startline and finishline. It's only at the very start of the race that the startline is used as a timing line. After that it's ignored.

[formal crane]

It sets expectation that either it is not working, or that it actually has no mesh :p