Trailmappers

[keen lion]

Every map is stored on your computer

[lone bane]

if he thinks loading a mod from ws always downloads it when you load it

[keen lion]

Unless you are on someone else's server

[lone bane]

then you would obviouslly need internet to exist there

[keen lion]

No, it's local

[lone bane]

yea ik

[keen lion]

Only downloads when you subscribe, all the loading is done local

[keen lion]

Ah, can't read

[lone bane]

anyways best guess is tis based on how fast ur drive is

[abstract sage]

you can

[lone bane]

no duh

[abstract sage]

but if youre in multiplayer and youre a client, the host will be sending you the asset data over the internet

[lone bane]

you wouldnt be in the server if u didnt have interet

[abstract sage]

yes

[keen lion]

Aj is talking about singleplayer

[abstract sage]

the same network communication happens even if youre in singleplayer
(of course, the data is not going through the internet in that case)

[lone bane]

ok but the original question was about if texture/mesh loading speed was based off your computers drive speed, so yes?

[abstract sage]

i mean, yes, but then it also has to go through the same "chop up model into 50000 pieces and then send it to the client" procedure

[keen lion]

So, cpu then

[livid wigeon]

which map has the deepest ocean floor again

[keen lion]

Dethrone

Then high seas, but you have forced waves n stuff

[livid wigeon]

rahh

how deep is it compared to danger zone

[keen lion]

Doesn't have a floor

So... About infinite times as much

[livid wigeon]

oh well

stranded after a while doesnt have a floor too

[wicked perch]

All was going so well, until my terrain started exporting like this

[livid wigeon]

mmm yes the tasty bug when theres a certain amount of verts it just discards 3/4ths of them for no good reason

make your model simpler or split it

[wicked perch]

Ah I figured that might have been the case

Had to learn the hard way

I've noticed custom models have a "shiny" material, is there an easy way to change that?

[livid wigeon]

add a custom texture and set its opacity low

ideally less than 4k bc in my testing 4k textures just dont really work

1024 should be safe

[wicked perch]

Thanks a lot! I'll see waht I can do

[livid wigeon]

and if you want to tile the texture you can ummmmm do something in blender to scale the uv

hard to explain in text based off of memory

[wicked perch]

Don't you worry, I'll need to learn this stuff so a point in the right direction should get me going

[spring oracle]

can you put custom 3d models in trailmappers?

[wide sorrel]

yes

[fallen oxide]

Could you cut up a texture on something so it looks nicer at a larger scale?

Or would that require cutting the object

[abstract sage]

its probably a badly generated lod

[wicked perch]

Well compared to earlier, it's looking much healthier now

[livid wigeon]

it happens right up close too

[keen lion]

anyone has an idea of what to put in here?

made a beach, added some wood cabins cause it felt empty, but it feels very meh

also... placing a bunch of trees sure is annoying

[blazing harbor]

dune buggy track

[keen lion]

i was thinking something simple

[lone bane]

protected baby sea turtle area

[keen lion]

on one side: this is a lake

[lone bane]

oh

uh

[keen lion]

on the other, it's already so full of non-lake stuff that imma probably do that

[lone bane]

its a lake that teleports to the ocean

[abstract sage]

if you make it to the floor of the lake you get teleported to the bottom of the ocean

[livid wigeon]

any ideas for deep ocean life?

im making a big ocean map and i dont wanna just spam kelp prefabs

[lone bane]

kelp

[livid wigeon]

and i dont wanna just spam kelp prefabs

[lone bane]

how about some bioluminescent shrimp?

[livid wigeon]

i cant animate them tho

and i dont think i can make them glow

[fallen oxide]

I see you've never seen one of the great lakes.

[lone bane]

lore accurate uk map

(unfortunally the airport spawned at the point where its like 500mph winds so yk...

[keen lion]

I'll think about it when I get there

Got abut 1/8th of the trees still to add

Those stupid trees with an extremely low lod

[lone bane]

trees?

closest thing to something interesting lmao

google maps cube buildings

[keen lion]

why is there no decent free plesiosaurus model...

[blazing harbor]

Just search for lochness monster

[keen lion]

ya don't think i tried that?

[tacit rover]

@keen lion sorry for the ping, i dont know if i sent you these assets i ripped back in the day. there should be more but im too lazy to be frank. dont know if they are complete or not so sorry for that too

also, is ridicolas MIA again? (if you happen to be in contact with him, say hello to him for me)

[keen lion]

no, those are new

i am pretty sure the update that added them happened right after we completed the rest, so never got to that part

[tacit rover]

there is a bunch still missing afaik but they were annoying to rip coz the game just builds the asset out of multiple of the same objs

[lone bane]

damn i wish high seas didnt have 500mph winds near the edges cuz this looks incredible

[fallen oxide]

Spend 300 hours learning blender for 1 model, trust me.

[lone bane]

he does not have the time for that (hes lazy)

[keen lion]

Kinda both tbh :p

Got a bunch of stuff i should do, but am too lazy to

[shadow path]

@dusky bear #1226065444364877835 message

[keen lion]

my honest reaction when i realize that the red shield asset doesn't appear in stranded

[keen lion]

welp, map is uploaded, will recieve some tweaks if i remember

[abstract sage]

huhhhh

[livid wigeon]

design a plane that counteracts 500mph winds

[lone bane]

500 mph winds vs 35000 kg

[livid wigeon]

W map

this map is actually good though

i needa make maps that improve underwater in all sandbox maps tbh

cause im actually decent at underwater terrain

[lone bane]

accurate runway numbers

[lone bane]

what kind of buildings should i add around my mach loop map?

[livid wigeon]

low poly triangles

[lone bane]

ez

(they are more cube now)

[lone bane]

mmmm cube

[fallen oxide]

Bomb the cubes

[lone bane]

no warcrimes

[fallen oxide]

WRONG❌

[lone bane]

my spawnpoint model just disappeared (even after a restart)

[rancid temple]

Try zooming in, I think it is just covered by the white circle of the three axis.

[lone bane]

no its literally just gone, i can only see the shadow

[lone bane]

for mapmakers2024 will models/textures be preloaded for the stream cuz uhh...

i mightve gone a bit crazy

[wicked perch]

And ideas on why the Trailmappers export resizes these pipes? They're the correct scale in the editor

[versed moat]

optimise optimise optimise

[lone bane]

how...

[versed moat]

Compress them textures

Sub 700kb

[lone bane]

most of them are theres only like 3 i have to shrink a bit

[versed moat]

Also you should ideally be using texture atlases

[lone bane]

the what

[blazing harbor]

single color textures

[abstract sage]

a bunch of textures combined into one

[lone bane]

what if i just dont

let them suffer

[abstract sage]

sure ig

[lone bane]

is this a sweet spot for loading?

[abstract sage]

for example here is one from sm, anything that is supposed to be tape is uv mapped onto this texture

[versed moat]

I’ve always found anything higher than 700kb ends up taking a minute or longer

[abstract sage]

jeez

thats really not a lot

[frank musk]

anyone know how to update a mod you mad

made*

[keen lion]

Some moron at TM decided that un-scaled pipes get much bigger, just set one of the scale axis to like 1.001 and it shoulf be fixed

Same happens for lava and some flowers, but I managed to catch those

[frank musk]

how do i update the mod i made

[wicked perch]

Ah thanks a bunch, good to know all that work wasn't in vain

[frank musk]

@wicked perch how do i update my mod?

[wicked perch]

Do you mean to update Trailmappers itself or to export your mod from Trailmappers, to Trailmakers?

[frank musk]

the second one

[frank musk]

i have it in trailmakers but i changed things

[wicked perch]

You can update it by exporting it again with the same button

[frank musk]

ok ty

[lone bane]

now thats just perfect

(i literally do not know what this collider is and why its here)

[lone bane]

god dammit

wonder if itll let me

[lone bane]

hmm

[wide sorrel]

all of the custom objects I set as non-static are still being spawned as concave objects rather than rigidbodies

oh it literally just doesn't have the code for it mb
I'll add it myself

got it to work but there seems to be a slight problem

[lone bane]

yea i tried doing that to but didnt notice the fact they were concave

i was trying to make some pallets that work with a folklift but they were just stuck

[wide sorrel]

yeah had to add a little bit of code manually

[lone bane]

if only ridicolas still existed

[lone bane]

are you able to send that here (probably just the function changes) for me and future reference?

[wide sorrel]

buh

[lone bane]

absolutely incredible dyno

how many times has dyno been helpful with "No Spamming" compared to when it was just annoying

[wide sorrel]

just have the lua file, the only changes are setting gravity to 0 until loaded, teleporting player to spawn again after loaded, and under if(object.I.CustomTexture ~= "") then to allow for custom object rigidbodies

[lone bane]

and now theres objects that werent intended to be not static breaking (wasnt turned off)

perfect

yea im probably just gonna not because terror soul kindly decided to try and optimise some of the textures in my map, but that means i dont have the new textures in trailmappers. gonna be a slight annoyance to reupload it

[wide sorrel]

tried rotating the monitors more in the case of collisions but it didn't help with anything, might have to see if I can make them static until the map has finished loading
I am annoying

[wide sorrel]

welp that fixed it
perfect it is now

[lone bane]

small amount of property damage

[fallen oxide]

@keen lion IT MOVES?!?!?

this is awesome

[livid wigeon]

what the hell i thought my ocean map was detailed

[fallen oxide]

@lone bane

[lone bane]

read the sign

[fallen oxide]

fair enough

[lone bane]

anything outside of the airbase was mostly built for aerial view, and not great function

its a great road once u get on it

[fallen oxide]

heli time😎

[keen lion]

yippe, someone actually playing my map

too bad it's jittery cause tm no like moving convexes

anyhow, just wait for when i add the elevator

[wide sorrel]

I played it earlier today (a few hours ago) as well, was quite fun driving around on the little trail going past all the towers and trees in the forests

[keen lion]

we do be elevating

had to use a custom model else it was too gittery, now need to give it a decent texture

[blazing harbor]

how can you use code in trailmappers?

[keen lion]

i'm just adding stuff to the main.lua file

the loader is just a mod that reads files and spawns assets, there is nothing stopping you from making changes

[blazing harbor]

nice

i dont think id understand tm coding ngl

[keen lion]

welp, elevator has ben uploaded

[fervent sun]

you can also put the code on a submodule and add a dofile call to the main.lua file, that way you don't have to worry about accidentally overwritting your own code

[keen lion]

don't worry, exporting from mappers deletes any externals files anyway

[fervent sun]

great idea

[keen lion]

so, i found it easier to just press ctrl z on vs code

[keen lion]

#BlameRid

[abstract sage]

blaming rid rn

[median beacon]

im trying to upload now but i dont know where the steamapps thing is, my file explorer doesnt look like that

can i still do it if i do it from Documents\Trailmappers\Saves\(mapname)?

[fervent sun]

no

do mods/mapname

[median beacon]

i dont have that

i dont have a steam folder

[shadow path]

Should be default on C:/program data if no

[median beacon]

wha?

[livid wigeon]

ok put this in the address bar in file explorer
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods

[shadow path]

Sry auto correction from phone 🤣

[fervent sun]

don't bother

just use mods/modname as the mod directory, it will work and get the correct location

[median beacon]

i got it

should be uploading now

do i just need to put #MAPMAKERS2024 in the mod name for it to be submitted?

[shadow path]

Yep, think even only on description is enough

[livid wigeon]

i want drag selection so badly

im just too good

[livid wigeon]

why am i doing this to myself

how did i do this even

well,

i get to make all the terrain BEFORE adding thousands of shrubs

i guess thats a plus

halloween lore

😱

[livid wigeon]

🙏🙏 ridicolas 🙏🙏
give us groups and drag select

[livid wigeon]

@keen lion can you hax into gridicolas account and add grouping/drag select to trailmappers please i beg you

i will actually explode if i have to delete like 500 assets one by one again

[livid wigeon]

ive wasted at least like 40m bc of no grouping/drag select

[lone bane]

whats stopping me from updating the ws submission before the stream?

[wide sorrel]

nothing

[lone bane]

now whats stopping me from uodating it before thursday

[shadow path]

aaaaaaaa what did alot to be there on time for stream...but its not today XD whhhattt XD i cant be there tmrw at this time damn 😐

[lone bane]

oh god and its an hour later than usual, right after my free period

[keen lion]

Not me being stuck with uni all afternoon

[lone bane]

dont be old or something

[inner nacelle]

Well here in Oz it's at 3am 😂

[wide sorrel]

pain

[lone bane]

OH WAIT I CAN WATCH THE STREAM HELL YEA

[keen lion]

Just done watching my part

So glad i spent all the time making moving stuff just for it to be missed

Especially sad about the planetary/elevator part, but at least I know there is someone who liked them

[blazing harbor]

Real bro

johannes spent 90% of the time exploring the surface of my sumbarine map talking about finding nemo 😭

[abstract sage]

did he end up finding nemo

[blazing harbor]

water

[versed moat]

You didnt have finding nemo on the map, much dissapointed

[lone bane]

(this is not clips im slow)

[blazing harbor]

how do you know

[inner nacelle]

The planitarium was cool! I found it yesterday - it had a strange effect on my car though 😂

[rustic star]

banger film though

[versed moat]

I used to have to watch that as part of my french lessons, must’ve watched the film atleast 4 times in french

[lone bane]

whats gonna happen to these people who didnt specify?

trailmappers has lore now

[wide sorrel]

probably gonna get loaded in the map they were in previously

[lone bane]

johanness was restarting the session every map for more "crash prevention"

[wide sorrel]

probs test zone or dethrone or smth then

[rustic star]

I'm going to kill them

[shadow path]

they both updated to load on Test Zone

[lone bane]

seems reasonable

[lone bane]

you do not need a texture, if none is applied it will default to a glossy white. if a texture is applied it needs to be a png

and just so you know the alpha channel is used for roughness value, so there is no support for transparency and all textures used need to be set to a low opacity to not be glossy

[shadow path]

GZ @versed moat really crazy mod 🤟 💜

[lone bane]

welp johannes did not open the info tab and did not know about melvins house rip

also forgot to thank terrorsoul for some of the optimzation on the models to make it not take 3-4 business days

[versed moat]

It was nothing, maybe sometime soon maybe the community should make another full community map

[lone bane]

imagine if we had coop building in trailmappers and we just all made one massive map

[abstract sage]

community mapping collab would go hard

[wide sorrel]

that would be crazy, but if managed well could be better than anything else

[lone bane]

rip to literally anyone who tries to load that map

[knotty lily]

I mean one way to do it would be to make a github repository for it and everyone has to pull before and push and commit after they changed something. Thats how it was done with the first community map

[livid wigeon]

well first we need object grouping and drag select

[wide sorrel]

we really do, I've needed it a lot as well

[livid wigeon]

working with plants that are like 10 objects each is the most painful experience

[versed moat]

You should learn trailedit, it’s not as bad as you think

[livid wigeon]

and having to delete hundreds of plant objects 1 by 1 because your undo history ran out

[livid wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[versed moat]

The array spawning in trailedit is 🤌

[livid wigeon]

cool but also i press ctrl c and ctrl v like 8 times and boom i have forest

i also dont have to deal with an interface that looks like it was designed in the early 2000s

[versed moat]

Yeah but you don’t get randomisation of scale, rotation, position

[livid wigeon]

tru

but if i just rotate the selection with every duplication its good enough

for basically everything

[wide sorrel]

hmm, being able to control all selected objects individually on the local coordinates on top of what it is now like blender would be nice, rotating things around a specific local axis, so it doesn't all break when you rotate say something like the trees in a big forest that has multiple height/angle changes

[livid wigeon]

tru

[ashen delta]

Why are boulder and sphere blocks not static even if I tick the field with the "static" option?

they just disappear

[livid wigeon]

because flasbhbulb is goofy

[lone bane]

i think if the object that acts like your ground takes too long to load, the non static object can fall through the ground before it loads

[shadow path]

this would be a great :))

[lone bane]

i think i mightve won popularity in the workshop with blueprints included lol

[livid wigeon]

guys should i make a really big rally type map

i can use a mushroom prefab for grass surface

[wide sorrel]

yes, it'd be fun, make it span most of the map's playable area, driving around on my 15km^2 WIP cargo map can be really fun and actually takes quite a while to get places with the size it is, so I'd say go for it

[livid wigeon]

as in before stuff like water breaks down?

or just tracks within the map

[wide sorrel]

as in before being in a build makes you respawn

[livid wigeon]

my issue is that the game doesnt really work too nicely with big fancy nature

[livid wigeon]

ahh yes

OH should i make GIGANTIC mountains that have down/uphill trails

that might be fun

the fun part is i can use a lowish poly mesh as my base and then use prefabs to cover most of it

[blazing harbor]

trailrunner

[livid wigeon]

real rally mode

minus the race logic

actually

[blazing harbor]

snow runner + trailmakers

trailrunner

[livid wigeon]

ooh yeah can you link me some gameply of snowrunner if its applicable here

[blazing harbor]

just search yt?

[livid wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[lone bane]

bit too late bud

[livid wigeon]

ok hear me out

what if we collab

[lone bane]

that map is an island that from irl

[livid wigeon]

how will that work? who bloody knows

[livid wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[livid wigeon]

istg if you model the buildings

[lone bane]

heh

lets see if itll even let me

doubt

[lone bane]

if i do they'll probably literally be cubes with textures

[livid wigeon]

i forgot does trailmakers support vertex painting in blender

no right

[lone bane]

what is that

[wide sorrel]

blender has a way of painting objects per vertices which doesn't require a texture, some prefab models like the airborne sheep use it, pretty sure custom models don't support it however

[lone bane]

blender is not responding

[livid wigeon]

🪦

[lone bane]

ok its revived

but it gave up

[livid wigeon]

🔥

why is the trunk inside out wtf

i fixed it

[lone bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-sphere-inside-out-turning-a-sphere-inside-out-outside-in-how-to-turn-a-sphere-inside-out-gif-21417574

[livid wigeon]

subdivision jumpscare

nice icon pick

also happens when triangulated

yeah i undid the last subdivision, it's also triangulated, and it's just fine

i guess the lowpoly "guide" mesh will be quite low poly

functional i guess

ok bc im stupid, should i just use a flat green and pretend the trunk is meant to be green

cause i dunno how to do the fancy bs so its 2 diff colors

and vertex painting no worky

[wide sorrel]

oh is this a randomly generating map?

[livid wigeon]

nah i plan to make it a offroad racing map

with a lot of angles via mountian

e.x. down/uphill

its also slightly large

which btw has the actual grass surface

and im working on getting skidmarks back without floating point imprecision killing me

and theres no flashes!

repairing also works VERY well somehow

like even motion repair works

now what am i gonna use for rockfaces...

[tacit rover]

super old message, but if you have time, try to add the numbers as individual faces suspended a few millimeters on top of the surface, instead of a full texture. its gonna make it look better since it wont have those pesky pixels

[fallen cedar]

Hey guys, working on a race track right now. Its a replica of a karting track me and my friends race on irl. Is there like an easy, square or circle grass block?

[livid wigeon]

as in with the grass surface? use the large mushrooms in the trees section iirc

set its vertical scale to like 0.01 if you want it to be flat

[lone bane]

you are able to turn off its visibility if you dont want the visuals, while still having the right collider

(message for the other guy)

[fallen cedar]

okay got it, thanks.

[fallen cedar]

Hey guys, I have an issue. I have been trying to turn off collisions for my grass and curbs just because its too buggy and I couldnt get it to stop flinging me in the air when riding a curb or slightly on the grass. Anyway, the collisions toggle is set to off, yet i am still colliding with it.

[wide sorrel]

is it just your player or wheels?
likely because we don't have an actual disable collision function in mods, and we have to use the set trigger function, which is still picked up by raycasts which the player and wheels use, it's unavoidable unless it's a custom object and you add an insanely scaled up cube (in the same model) around everything

[fallen cedar]

its the wheels, thank you

[balmy yacht]

Hey @sly mantle, FYI

Trailmappers has been unlisted from the german Steam store bc of the recent changes regarding age ratings.

You didn't set an age rating in time and it is no longer available here.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4678768276768588864

[livid wigeon]

time to wait another year for him to reappear for approximately 1 week

yayy

[atomic plaza]

How dare he have a life outside of this server

[sly mantle]

College has been crazy, been focusing on my major

[balmy yacht]

Yeah, it be like that.

[hollow quartz]

Got your priorities all wrong man. (This is a joke)

[sly mantle]

While making a c++ opengl based true type format rasterizer from the ground up is not as cool or moving as Trailmappers, its what is going to get me a grade.

[vivid laurel]

Funny paper telling u "you smart"

[keen lion]

But think about the profit:
Making trailmappers: -100$
College: -All the taxes$

||focus on college before you have to pay more||

[livid wigeon]

opengl 🪦

[livid wigeon]

when did trailmappers properly display reflection amount in-editor? 👀

[lone bane]

i think it has since custom model update came out

[livid wigeon]

aaaa collision off on custom model but still collides some of my other models dont have this issue?

[wide sorrel]

wheels and the player still react to trigger objects
only real way to solve it is to add a giant cube surrounding everything in the model

[livid wigeon]

seems good to me

shadows are not having it

figured it out

👍

[livid wigeon]

no custom textures or models in map?

[livid wigeon]

the things i'd do for the darkness volume used in caves on stranded

[atomic plaza]

That would be really nice

[gritty narwhal]

does anyone have any recommendations for good rally maps?

stuff for trophy trucks preferably🍻

[livid wigeon]

the older ones on the workshop arent great, and no one has made a particularly good one with non-road surfaces

ive considered but i have treasure island upgrade to do

[gritty narwhal]

alr

thank you though

[wide sorrel]

I also considered a rally map once
someone told me to make a map inspired by one of the Darkar rally races, never got around to finishing it yet though

[wide sorrel]

the things I'd do for fog

[tacit rover]

has anyone found a way to effectively make sure your custom objects dont have a hitbox? is there something i can do in blender to make sure the ray scan of the wheels doesnt find the surfaces?

[livid wigeon]

darkness volume is low poly black fog

oopsie i left tmmm open all night

[livid wigeon]

apparently if you put a huge cube covering the whole thing then it works better

make it invisible though otherwise shadow

[mental seal]

why cant u make the white cubes non-static

[wide sorrel]

because they're just non-referenced prefabs, they don't have a rigidbody version

[mental seal]

having problems with my buildings - every single time i duplicate them from 2, some of the buildings generate the middle bricks first, they fall, and then the bottom ones generate causing the building to collapse - can i fix this at all?

[livid wigeon]

seems like the load order has the roof spawn first sometimes; duplicate the roof and then delete the old one i think thatll work

[mental seal]

got it to work a little more, did a silly with killdozer

[mental seal]

I BEG AND PLEAD FOR DRAG SELECT EVERY TIME I WANNA MOVE JUST 1 BUILDING I HAVE TO SELECT LIKE 400 THINGS HUFGUuiedsofis

[lone bane]

welp the trailmappers guy is on an infinite hiatus so gl tryna get an update on him lol

[inner nacelle]

You have to force the auto-generated convex hull to generate miles out from your object in all directions.

No idea if this is the best way but the way I did it was to add a tiny triangle at each of the far distant corners of an imaginary massive cube around my object (these triangles are part of the actual object).

[wide sorrel]

goddamn that looks so good

[atomic plaza]

So I started testing out some hazard ideas for a new map...

[livid wigeon]

wait how the rock spawns

i cant get that to work

unless its something you just did with code

[atomic plaza]

those be 'splody barrels (because I am not clever enough to set that up myself I'm taking advantage of there built in respawn behavior)

[tacit rover]

this was planned when Rid was still working on the program. However... real life

[tacit rover]

^^^^

[tacit rover]

sorry for the ping, would you mind sending the .obj in here so i can copy what you did for my particular case? im not completely sure i comprehend exactly what im supposed to do (simply said im stoopid)

[mental seal]

how upload map

it says my file directory is wrong

idk why

[livid wigeon]

mods list, upload mod, mods/mod_filename_here

[mental seal]

i did that but its not coming up in the workshop, is there a delay?

yeah there was it works now

[tacit rover]

nvm i figured it out. thanks for the tip!

[tacit rover]

this doesnt look as bad as i though it would

#1226065444364877835 message at least this is not happening anymore

stress test revealed that altho the fps are fine, for some reason server perfomance tanks and also im halfway stuck in the ground for some reason

[atomic plaza]

and here you can see my fatal indecision as it seals my fate

[wide sorrel]

for a sec I thought you were gonna intentionally place a purple space chirpo before the gif loaded

[inner nacelle]

No problem. I would have happily sent you a file if you needed it. Your grass looks good.

[sly mantle]

Christmas break is soon, so I should have free time

[sly mantle]

And this is why I hate apple

[tacit rover]

Well we wish you good luck in your studies. Hopefully see you soon ❤️

[sly mantle]

Finals, wahoo

[tacit rover]

Kinda got bored so i decied to go though my old stuff. Looking back i made so many different maps that i never finished.... and i never will lmfao

[blazing harbor]

now you combine them all into one

[lone bane]

that bridge if fucking incredible

[tacit rover]

its also the thing that took the least time to make lmao. but i spent hours on the canyon itself tho

[livid wigeon]

holy shit that looks epic especially those ruins and palm island

[tacit rover]

its was supposed to be vietnam rivers lmfao. but palm island will do

[livid wigeon]

would it be possible to make a way for trailmappers to automatically get new assets out of tm? if other stuff like actually displaying it in editor is a issue then you could just give it a basic cube and write the prefab name on it. i reeeallly wanna use up to date assets immediately even if it looks scuffed in editor

i noticed that BlueBerryShrub_01 disappeared from the editor? tbf it also doesnt render in tm

[tacit rover]

nope. bc it relies on external files to represent the in game assets, they need to ripped manually. I and Jess could tell stories about how much of a burden that is. and Rid as well obv

[livid wigeon]

hm. how about a menu to give it a list of all spawnable prefabs, and the ones it doesnt have models for it just displays as a cube with the PFB_WHATEVERHERE as the name

[tacit rover]

well you would have to push that to Rid. But i guess it is doable

there already is probably like at least 20 assets that arent implemented. if not more. but some are just way too dumb to try to rip out of the files, bc the game might build them out of multiple object files, or on other the textures might be weird and or missing.

[livid wigeon]

adding more options for custom model physics would be good, ofc the physics type and also noiro says you can set mass

[sly mantle]

The hard part as bread said is the fact that is all tucked away in unity specific files, I can't just open it and get the data out easily, so all assets have to gotten from some program that already figured that out. Also getting the prefabs supported by trailmakers is also data stored deep in the files, unless you have a list in trailmappers that a user can set, but that seems janky.

Mmmm, months of work in something that has already been done 100x better.

[livid wigeon]

ay, being able to use new prefabs without having to wait a year at a time would be nice, even if rather jank

and users being able to update it themselves, at practically any time is cool

although what might be best is to have people like jess who do the extracting be able to update trailmappers.

[sly mantle]

He could if he wanted, he has the github

[livid wigeon]

does that auto update to steam?

[sly mantle]

Sadly not, but its not too hard to do

[livid wigeon]

by far the most requested things besides more assets are:

• drag select
• selecting which type of physics a custom model uses
• correcting some of the stuff that has forced settings, like medium pine supposedly not having collision, and the halfpipe having no collision

but of course more assets is fun

[sly mantle]

Over winter break I should be able to go through all the assets and update/ add them, a lot of assets right now are just not fully set up

[livid wigeon]

purple space chirpo; the destroyer of worlds

• much further render distance in editor
• drag selecting to select multiple objects at once
• grouping and ungrouping multiple objects together, and forcing all objects to scale, rotate, and move with each other as if it was one object
• allow removing the trailmappers spawnpoint
• concave object hitbox/selection
• customize editor plane level
• show pfb name under the trailmappers name for prefabs
• sprinkle tool (see #1226065444364877835 message)

bugs (trailmakers issues)

• "Fast Flapping Flag" aka kungfuflaglol is broken
• explosive salvage just spawns regular salvage
• "Wood Crate Branded" just spawns flat texture
• Power Core Crate looks different
• Explosive/Barrel does not despawn when you reexport map
• "White Shrub" looks different in game now
• "Green Beacon" does not render
• PFBs ArkCollected, Cactus_Mini, TreasureBeacon are missing texture
• SpaceWreckage2 has broken LOD; only shows from afar
• PFB_TimelinePodLandingClimbIsland door glass is no longer translucent
• PFBs CharredTree, CharredBush, Savannah_Tree, SlenderPineTree-Final_FBX, have overly shiny textures
• PFB_CharredTree2 has missing & shiny texture
• PFB_SlenderPineTree-Final_FBX has poor LOD; disappear from a short distance

[livid wigeon]

Rock_Detail_Top_Desert
Rock_Detail_Top_Mud1
ChallengeCheckpointEnd_Floating_Expedition
ChallengeSignUpExpedition_Floating_Expedition
FlameThrowerEffect (singular, and not a set of 5)
SpaceRing_01
SpaceRing_02
SpaceRing_03
SpaceWreckage2 (broken LOD in tm; only shows from afar)
Airvent_Double
PipeThruHill
LED_PIXEL_ARROW_X5_Yellow
LED_PIXEL_ARROW_X5
DetourSign
RoadClosedSign
ConstructionRoadClosedFenceDestructable (physics by default)
Loop_Dangerzone
ConstructionCylinderCone
Christmas_Short_Lush_Pine
Christmas_Short_Slender_Pine
Christmas_Tall_SlenderPine
LED_Sign_ARROW_LED
ChaserAI (texture is missing in tm and ai is gone)
MovePuzzleStart

i think those are all of the ones trailmappers currently is missing

[inner nacelle]

Also the blue circle:
PFB_MovePuzzleStart

[inner nacelle]

(again these are Trailmakers bugs)

• Both the normal barrel and the explosive barrel always respawn no matter what.
• PFB_BlockHunt (the blue beacon) spawns with a horrible constant synthetic sound which is unbearable once you spawn a number of them close together. It also spawns with a weird angled yellow ring which it never used to have.

[tacit rover]

I could definitely offer some help with the ripping if you would like, getting the files is sometimes definitely annoying. I think i even have some of the asset files ready already

[atomic plaza]

A Mappers update for Christmas ?!? Miracles do come true! But promise you won’t stress yourself too much over updating Mappers over the break, education is important or something like that so take time to unwind!

[tacit rover]

#1226065444364877835 message also heres an old bug collection that i made way back. most of them are still relevant tho.

[livid wigeon]

the first one i already listed

Explosive/Barrel does not despawn when you reexport map

[inner nacelle]

All good. I thought you had listed only the Explosive Barrel 🙂 Thanks for listing all the other stuff too.

[livid wigeon]

also umm... no more of dis pls?

[lone bane]

wonder if trailmappers could automatically apply alpha values when exporting instead of doing it manually

[wide sorrel]

I mean it could, but...

[lone bane]

would probably make it a bit easier to look through my custom model folders, i dont do names

[versed moat]

Can we add a Trailmappers button that I can click and it just creates a map for me ready to upload

[lone bane]

i get using atlases but also i havent really needed different roughness for everything, its just either completely glossy or not

[lone bane]

can we add ai generate map button

[livid wigeon]

no

[lone bane]

new 20km x 20km map plan (75% tm scale)
based around the Meiringen Air Base from the Swiss Air Force
airfield has been paved and im planning on making most of the buildings and houses around the map (at least with what i can see on the satellite texture + google earth)
very large project but will be a fun multiplayer map including places for many different vehicles to be used in multiplayer

20km x 20km square around this exact point

[lone bane]

ima need this military base and the ruins for the film
dm me them or something

@tacit rover forgot to reply to the thing

[tacit rover]

The airfield sucks performance wise bc i spammed the mushroom tree asset. Could be doable better with custom grass asset. When ill get home ill send you both

[pallid wing]

i remember some of those

[livid wigeon]

omfg please fix stuff like this happening. it happens a lot with trees and custom models

desert/red rocks are too red

[wide sorrel]

I think it's detecting a convex version of the custom model when you click there

[livid wigeon]

it is

[lone bane]

very annoying when working on large custom terrain pieces like in mach oop

[livid wigeon]

why is #0000ee purple

same hex code (TM put into TMMM) its also noisy as hell

menu solid background color
TM (source hex) | TMMM

seems like the whole game has a thing for bad colors

wtf

[knotty lily]

might be the trailmappers fog

[livid wigeon]

explain?

[knotty lily]

well im pretty sure that trailmappers applies a fog just like trailmakers does

[livid wigeon]

no? i can clearly see the render distance cutoff

the only transition would be the sheer amount of bloom from sky to ground

[knotty lily]

then i might be wrong

[livid wigeon]

dude is above 60% of the people in this discord

he admitted he might be wrong

[knotty lily]

?

[livid wigeon]

a lot of people in this discord refuse to admit theyre wrong and especially on the most absurd/dumb things too

[atomic plaza]

you would know ...

[livid wigeon]

hey @sly mantle i was just discussing making extremely detailed islands with noiro for a mod we're making. if we had a tool to sprinkle a set of objects over wherever the mouse is that would be really useful. the amount of detail i'm looking for is on par if not better than an official map. this may be hundreds if not thousands of objects across all islands we plan on making; and i really don't want to position all of those individually. to put my feature request into bullet points:

• sprinkle tool that places many objects connected to whatever surface the mouse is over while clicking
  • save sprinkle tool configurations
  • customize which objects are sprinkled
    • settings for each individual object in the configuration
      • set position offsets on all 3 axis
        • for example, set a -y offset for a tree so that the bottom of the trunk is never exposed
      • set which rotation axis are modified and random offset (also optionally around a local axis)
        • same thing for scale too
      • density value for how often this object is placed
      • cluster spawning, so instead of uniform distribution you can customize how much it will spawn in fewer, but denser groups of that object
        • offset so you can have multiple objects be clustered in the same area
    • for example, you can set a tree to always face upwards and with a slight yaw/pitch offset
  • radius for how much area to affect at once
  • strength multiplier value for the configuration, if you want to change how much is spawned as a whole
  • once a click is released, automatically select all objects spawned by that click
    • for example, if you wanted to quickly group that modification
  • specified offset so you can repeat a given pattern at a position

oh and then also add object grouping and concave custom object hitboxes and drag selecting

this is my christmas wish for trailmappers

[blazing harbor]

Bro is not getting paid for this🙏😭

[fervent sun]

the amount of detail i'm looking for is on par if not better than an official map
that's not gonna load in game even if you magically make it

[atomic plaza]

Might as well ask for the keys to the city and a unicorn while you’re at it

[livid wigeon]

i argue that <1k objects (mostly prefabs) will load however if it doesn't then i suppose this can be a really overpowered tree placer

[fervent sun]

if the objects have a lot of triangles for high detail it can be a problem as well

[livid wigeon]

are you talking about custom models or PFB prefabs? cause yeah with enough tris trailmakers could struggle but i think thats an issue for mappers to deal with, if they cram THAT much detail (custom and/or PFBs) into a map.

looking at official maps like stranded/rally i believe that it will be fine unless a mapper were to overuse the tool

[fervent sun]

mainly custom models

[livid wigeon]

ah yeah then that might be an issue in some cases. at least for my use case, all i'll really need is the tree PFBs and a couple foliage PFBs, and MAYBE a grass model once collisions are fixed

so for what i believe to become a major use case, it'll be fine

[livid wigeon]

droppod has incorrect origin location

[sly mantle]

A foliage tool might be possible, of course when I get back and start work on this I'll have priorities so it might be lower. Also colors might look weird because of color correction in post processing.

[livid wigeon]

what are the top priorities?

[sly mantle]

Bugs and assets, also drag select has been asked for a long time

[livid wigeon]

ill keep updating #1226065444364877835 message (requests & TM PFB bugs) and #1226065444364877835 message (missing PFBs)

[livid wigeon]

Trailmappers bugs

• tiling textures move when scrolling the objects list
• Crashed Plane smoke particles are too big in the objects list
• you cannot spawn ONE flamethrower PFB
• Beach Ball, Mine, Present, Torpedo, Boulder, Snowball, Sphere are not scaled visually in Trailmakers
• in the objects list, objects spin infinitely in one direction instead of switching back and forth like in Trailmakers
• Fast/Slow Flapping Flags cloth are affected by moving them in TMMM but not in Trailmakers
• UV of overwritten custom models doesn't update until you reopen the map
• Drop Pod has incorrect origin
• Incorrectly setup objects
  • Forced settings examples:
    • Medium Pine supposedly not having collision
    • Half Pipe having no collision
• #1226065444364877835 message

Trailmappers oddities

• Some PFBs have alternate scaling
  • e.g. Mine has 0.5,0.5,0.5, Magnetic Cube has 5,0.1,10
• Post processing is really weird in some cases (e.g. you cannot have a deep blue sky in Trailmappers)
• UI has incorrect colors in some cases

out of date objects

many duplicates from TM PFB bugs list:

• Fast Flapping Flag texture & animation (broken in TM)
• Wood Crate Branded texture (broken in TM)
• Power Core Crate texture (broken in TM)
• White Shrub texture
• Ark texture (broken in TM)
• Charred Tree One texture (broken in TM)
• Charred Tall Stump texture (broken in TM)
• Charred Stump texture (broken in TM)
• Red "Desert" rocks texture (#1226065444364877835 message)
• Savannah Tree Large texture (broken in TM)
• Beacon texture (broken in TM)
• Slender Pine Tree texture (broken in TM, and poor in-game LOD)
• Wind is out of date
• Drop Pod door translucency
• Present translucency
• Explosive Salvage objects are converted to regular salvage
• Green Beacon no longer renders in Trailmakers (broken in TM)

highly requested suggestions

• object grouping with additional modifier key to select and edit an object independently from it's group

• concave object hitboxes (#1226065444364877835 message)

• even more render distance

• fix being delisted from german steam store due to missing age rating (#1226065444364877835 message)

• sprinkle tool (known)

• drag select (known)

• more PFBs (known, list @#1226065444364877835 message)

• set mass of custom models (noiro says its possible)

• auto update Steam build from GitHub so that people like Jess can update with new assets ASAP

really small suggestions

• improve post processing accuracy again (see #1226065444364877835 message)
• set which physics type to use for custom models
• object count on the right of top bar in the editor
• detect complex custom models/high-res textures and display a long/infinite-load time warning when you hover over them
• icons for custom model folders (something like icon.png within the folder)
• on-hover descriptions of basically everything within the editor
  • e.g. objects, object folder categories, editor categories (PFBs and custom models)
• option to disable ray tracing or whatever is causing tons of noise
• Font thickness is too thick compared to Trailmakers in some cases
  • e.g. top bar in editor
• All PFBs should have scale set to 1,1,1 by default

[wide sorrel]

some of this is actually trailmakers bugs iirc

I remember using maptrail and the drop pod having an offset origin location too

[tacit rover]

I think someone back in the day made a list of all the PFBs that are not included in Trailmappers yet, could you please send it here so I can start ripping it, so i can save Rid of some work Also, did the new update bring any new prefabs?

[wide sorrel]

no, only the audio file was changed (according to my file explorer)

[livid wigeon]

but like in editor the gizmo is way off from center

[livid wigeon]

#1226065444364877835 message

[tacit rover]

thx

[livid wigeon]

progress?

[pallid wing]

this suddenly started happening for a friend

maps are not loading

[livid wigeon]

can you provide more detail?

[tacit rover]

well i ripped all the ones that were simple to do, just one file for the object and 2 for the texture. But there are so many annoying ones, like loop dagerzone, that is made of multiple objects and glued using all kinds of textures that are not even linked to it in the ripper. so i dont know how imma go about this.

[tacit rover]

@livid wigeon speaking of, what exactly is ChaserAI? I cant spawn it in via Trailedit, nothing like that shows up

[livid wigeon]

trailedit cant spawn it but if you edit a trailmappers map it can spawn it. it used to be a bird which can chase the player and deal damage. but now the texture and AI is gone; only the model and animations remain

[livid wigeon]

@tacit rover would it be possible to rip the terrain model of the maps and have it be optionally visible in mappers? although looking at how long thats been requested i suspect its not really possible

being able to shape a custom terrain model (or maybe it splits a detailed one in-mappers into multiple for in-game) in mappers would be sick but that could be for next year
having that would bring us one step closer ||(wild LP reference)|| to having a mapping tool like what flashbulb has

[tacit rover]

Well not really since you can find some individual parts of the map, however, some parts are created through other 3d software tools and those parts dont show up in the game files, but i suppose the game is given instructions on how to build that terrain. Also, you would somehow need to dig out the exact types, number, and position of the prefabs and i dont know if that is even doable.

[livid wigeon]

oh i was just looking for the terrain mesh/model/whatever that has the surfaces like grass/mud/sand etc but yeah ig

[tacit rover]

Sadly that type of mesh is not in the modding api afaik so no luck for us

Very theoretically you could do it but you would need to basically hack the game, and edit the files in unity or something like that

[livid wigeon]

any more progress on new pfbs from when i last asked?

[tacit rover]

not really, didnt have much time for it

[wide sorrel]

seems like it'd be possible
I have ripped the terrain models of maps in the past

[livid wigeon]

why doesn't he use this power for other lost maps hmm

[wide sorrel]

I don't have access to the pre-alpha build
earliest I have access to is alpha demo, and there's very little remnants of pre-alpha in alpha demo files

[livid wigeon]

or an expedition sandbox mod

[wide sorrel]

Ultimate Expedition > beta expedition

[livid wigeon]

and i think for what i would personally need, just having the underlying surface mesh (the stuff with the grass/mud/sand surface) is all i would really need.
but some people may want the extra pfbs/assets on top which idk if thatll be possible

[atomic plaza]

The problem is even if you could rip the terrain mesh it would loose its dynamic traction and grass when spawned through the modding api

[lone bane]

thats not the point,
the point is to have the model inside of trailmappers to better reference the map while building. say if you want to extend parts of existing maps you would have a visual of what the terrain looks like in trailmappers

[livid wigeon]

the crossed out stuff is correct

[lone bane]

ok then

[livid wigeon]

but theres more important stuff to be added

than breaking tos/eula/whateveritis even more

[sly mantle]

Alright, I am working on the project again, I updated to the latest version of unity and pretty much everything is working, just need to figure out a few warnings

[livid wigeon]

as a whole we need customizable editor grid height

and for these maps having sea floor and water level ofc

i dont think the little goobers like the tiny rocks w/ fish are needed in trailmappers, but i do think the shipwreck thing would be good

[livid wigeon]

nice nice. just wanna make sure you know that i made lists of all the stuff suggested / other stuff at #1226065444364877835 message and a couple messages down

bigbadbreb is working on ripping assets too

[atomic plaza]

ah ok, that makes more sense. It'd be real annoying trying to select and edit things with a giant mesh in the way though

[lone bane]

its probably gonna be togglable if its added, though looks like they're gonna have to rip the mesh first

[livid wigeon]

as ive said i think its lower on the todo list

and i think a sprinkle tool, object grouping, and concave object hitboxes would be more useful

[livid wigeon]

it would be treated more like the editor grid plane, rather than an actual object; it's a guide to place objects on

[lone bane]

still applies, having a mesh in the way of some building
though at that point why do you have it on if you dont need the map

[livid wigeon]

yeah exactly. i suppose this would quite literally be added as an editor plane option as that seems the easiest and most intuitive way
the point is for it to be there as reference so you can see the map and position stuff on it super easily

[lone bane]

same thing as we have right now with test zone floor, the normal grid, and nothing options

[livid wigeon]

yeah, its just that these editor plane options come with the terrain of a map, maybe the pfb/assets on top of it, and the sea floor and sea level planes

[tacit rover]

if anyone ever dabbled in file ripping and is willing to land me a hand, im missing the dangerzone loop textures, cant seem to find them, plus they kinda kinda dont work with the UVs in blender when i try to match them, so i dont really know how id go about it

[lone bane]

render distance update when
(this is 15km x 15km aka size of normal tm map, any more is just not necessary)

[atomic plaza]

You do know why render distance and LOD exist right? Your asking your hardware and the software to render a whole lot at once. I guess it’d be optional so you can feel free to torcher your pc at will but I don’t see this being high in the priority list

[atomic plaza]

It’s not distance that matters it’s that you’d be rendering everything at once that’ll kill it. But again, yeah it’d be optional so turn up the heat at your own discretion

[fervent sun]

yeah, it's like LoDs were made specifically to optimize rendering of far away objects

[livid wigeon]

i feel like this could have a bunch of tree PFBs added once sprinkle tool update drops
would make it look a lot nicer if its actually able to run

[livid wigeon]

@wide sorrel

ngl noiro i think youd actually fit in quite well as an assets ripper for trailmappers cause youre so good at it

rah

maybe give tutorial for the other asset rippers for that idk

[lone bane]

(its already in the options panel, just capped to that amount)

[lone bane]

so far ive had zero performance issues, LOD systems are already implemented into trailmappers, and a render distance setting is already included, just with a maximum limit. i really dont believe trailmappers will suffer as much you say it will

[tacit rover]

well your perfomance is not an issue because you are using just one asset, so only so many polygons are drawn on the screen. but i do agree that it could be increased even beyond what it is, since for me so far ive had 0 performance issues even at max render distance and a lot of expensive assets on screen.

and besides, that is what the slider is for isnt it? if its lagging, lower it. but if unity would allow for more render distance, why not go for it?

[lone bane]

theres 4 but point still applies,
even on one of the maps that is essentially entirely made of hundreds of custom models, ive had zero issues with

[tacit rover]

i mean if you make a map that trailmappers is gonna struggle with, TM is probably not gonna handle it so well either

[blazing harbor]

how did i change the roughness thing on custom texture

it had something to do with changing the alpha of the texture

[lone bane]

low alpha = more matte

[blazing harbor]

how do i change the alpha? 😬

i tried but it just made the thing invisible

[lone bane]

you can use basically any image editor program, you can just make the image kind of transparent

[blazing harbor]

ok

also do the textures go into the same folder as custom models?

i dont know where to put them

[lone bane]

yes

[blazing harbor]

png or jpg

[lone bane]

png

i think TM modding supports jpg but trailmappers doesnt

[blazing harbor]

not wörkin

it just makes the png white

this is not the optimal outcome

well it doesnt matter

the models too big it seems

[lone bane]

dont set it to 100% transparency, just do like 90 or something

[lone bane]

game likes to die if the model has 15-20k+ tris

[blazing harbor]

ill just use the model as a base and build the map with prefabs

ill just dress up the map

[livid wigeon]

for me it dies if i subdivide the model more than like 5 times

maybe 6

[sly mantle]

Alright, started importing assets

[lone bane]

yay

[balmy yacht]

@lone bane slightly deranged request, but how much effort would it be for you to make a version of the Mach Loop map for testzone that's close to the floor instead of >1km up?
Wouldn't need the whole plane/mission thing

I was testing the multipart truck for the whole convoy thing, and only one of the modules works.
The other 3 violently explode due to mp collisions.

Either it's the custom map object being weird for collisions or the height (floating point??)

Bc the modules work in the other maps and in clean testzone too...

[lone bane]

sure shouldnt be too hard to ctrl a everything and move it

[lone bane]

are you okay with the not optimized textures? its a bit harder to get those since terrorsoul only sent me the optimizations as the mod and not a trailmappers map, its a bit harder to move that
also its easier to remove the mission code just exporting again through trailmappers

[balmy yacht]

Assuming the texture loads & doesn't crash us out im fine with it lol

[lone bane]

its just gonna take a much longer time to load thats basically it

and it has a better sand texture :)

[lone bane]

alright here you go 👍

now that i think you probably didnt need the entire airbase

[balmy yacht]

Yippie
Will try this evening (I'm at work lol)

[balmy yacht]

Nah that's fine. We can use it as a staging ground. The truck just about fits into the hangar

[lone bane]

ok well just incase you do, i did remove essentially everything from the airbase except this part including the hangers
-# also dont forget to put on the distance tracking mod i do wanna know how long the road is 👀

[balmy yacht]

You really went and removed the nice airstrip but not the goofy shack on the on-ramp xD

[lone bane]

its purpose was to tell you how sad the road is

actually i forgot to not delete that sign oops

[blazing harbor]

@lone bane do you have the melvin model?

[lone bane]

im not home rn but @wide sorrel made the model and texture

lemme see if i can find it

[lone bane]

if you are in the modding discord it is here #1315437398074589244 message

otherwise you can join through terrorsouls profile

[tacit rover]

i have a bunch ripped, want them? (imma dm you a google drive link if you want)

not fully complete but it gets at least some out of the way

[tacit rover]

make sure to remove the background layer in your program (if you are using Paint, it aint gonna work, no layers, no transparency)

[sly mantle]

Is alright if I don't include space wreckage 2 for now? because it is messed up in so many ways in trailmakers.

[livid wigeon]

sure. see #1226065444364877835 message for out of date prefabs

[livid wigeon]

the bottom of most of the "desert PFBs have a mud color on the bottom

[lone bane]

damn i thought this was dethroneless water instead of waterless dethrone :(

[livid wigeon]

waterless dethrone known as boring dethrone

water is most of the map's shape why are you removing it

it might as well be test zone with a crown and the occasional rock without the water

[fiery topaz]

Just got into trailmapper, really cool stuff and very impressive UI (saying that as someone who works with professional CAD softwares), anyways, I was wondering if there is a way to build on any other map than the test map (or have a simplified 3D representation of them as a reference for placing stuff), I want to add a monorail track to the existing maps.

[livid wigeon]

btw white shrub goes black on low shader quality

i think the pfb name is rockdetailbush or something

so could just call it rock bush

xd

fire map name man

i keep wanting to do a general test map but i keep subconciously making a new map with increasingly dumber and dumber names

[sly mantle]

Update, I have imported all the assets except for space wreckage 2

[livid wigeon]

even ChaserAI?

[sly mantle]

He doesn't have animations I can rip, that's why I never added him, it was actually one of the first assets I ripped

Also, never NEVER touch the chaser after it's dead, that has crashed my game one too many times lol

[sly mantle]

He's added now btw

[livid wigeon]

do you think you'll have the time to add the sprinkle tool? me and noiro's project is currently on hold until it's added (this is entirely on noiro, he wants me to finish the maps before he continues)

[lone bane]

(i also kind of want it for my massive pvp map and any future large scale maps)

[livid wigeon]

if it actually receives as much if not more configuration as i requested itll be useful for like everything

[lone bane]

also concave selection for custom models

[livid wigeon]

placing trees, placing bushes, hell even placing rocks on a cliff

[livid wigeon]

yeah i imagine for this to work rid will have to add that

[lone bane]

sprinkle tool + objects grouping = sprinkle groups

[livid wigeon]

i actually did suggest selecting everything in the most recent sprinkle tool operation once it finishes so that you can group it, for things like forests

and then also a modifier key to select and edit something independently from it's group

this is really useful for forests where you can add the forest, group it, and then independently select and remove poorly placed trees. (or modify some other poor ones too)

[dreamy inlet]

oh yeah i wanted to make sure, does trailmappers use a specific format for 3d model importing? such as like .obj and such

ok good to know ahead of time before i attempt anything

[inner nacelle]

I think Rid needs to add a "Donate for further improvements" button to the main menu 😜

[versed moat]

Also the games modding functionality still isn’t in a good enough state to support these large custom mesh maps

[tacit rover]

Even managed to find a way to import the stupid Christmas trees with lights? And the dangerzone loop too?

[lone bane]

doesnt tm take jpg for textures but not trailmappers?

[keen lion]

I think so, yeah

[livid wigeon]

3rd for me too

[sly mantle]

Those were actually pretty easy, the hardest one for me was the arrow sign, there is no model I could find with the right name so I just imported a different arrow sign and made it look like the one in game

[tacit rover]

doesnt the one i gave you match?

i thought this was it

and also, did the glowing arrows match? i just kinda eyeballed their models since the game probably builds them of an individual model

[sly mantle]

They seemed to, I had to do some shader shenanigans to get the blue ones blinking like in game

[sly mantle]

Oh yeah, I don't know why I went searching for it in game, did you find it by name?

[sly mantle]

Also, if you want to know, you can actually add a file called icon.png in category folders in custom models and it will appear as that categories image

[lone bane]

wait a sec u can do folders????

fire

[sly mantle]

Yea, it turns it into categories, and with a icon.png inside it adds it as the icon. It also makes it easy to share custom model packs.

[livid wigeon]

i swear when i tried that it didnt work... hmmm

[sly mantle]

Let me know if it still doesn't work, I'll look into it

[tacit rover]

Worked flawlessly for me

[tacit rover]

Something remotely sign/LED related afaik

Also one more thing, are the colour adjusted textures i sent you better? (It was the fungus and desert rock) If you have tried them that is

[sly mantle]

Desert rock is way better, I have not gotten to the fungus yet, I got distracted with drag select

[versed moat]

Don’t forget about the crypto-mining feature, got to make people pay for it somehow

[sly mantle]

You guys found about that?

^ this for obvious reasons is a joke

[versed moat]

Also you should add redshell analytics, I hear it’s highly rated /jk

[sly mantle]

Got to sell data some how, no clue who would buy my data, but I can try

[versed moat]

Got to claw back that steam publishing fee somehow

[livid wigeon]

it works, dw

[livid wigeon]

sell map data to soulless ai company and create an ai-generate-trailmakers-map button

[livid wigeon]

rid you should use trail ocean in the next update's menu background video
it looks really cool trust me bro

ok looking at the 1st large island for raftmakers, im thinking of how to detail the island. i can only think of things that would be 10x faster with the sprinkle tool XD. it feels like it'd be so useful almost all detailing with a lot of variated objects would be done with it

[sly mantle]

Temp UI but you get the idea

[livid wigeon]

i love you

[lone bane]

im so happy 🥹

[inner nacelle]

sheep

[blazing harbor]

will this be literally just raft in trailmakers?

like when you go in a direction random islands spawn

[atomic plaza]

You have no idea how much this saves my bacon. I was testing out some map hazard ideas and before I knew it I was adding details and was stuck with a large complex mess I had no idea how I was going to relocate

[livid wigeon]

not exactly because we cant perfectly replicate raft but i wanna add some more trailmakersy stuff. i don't think raft has combat using multiple different rafts at once and i think that could be really fun

but yes we will add islands that have cool resources n stuff

[blazing harbor]

👍

[livid wigeon]

itll most likely be random seed generation for islands. on world creation youll either have it generate a random seed for the islands, or you can specify your own

[shadow path]

we are lucky to have trailmappers 💜 and even luckier to reach out ridicolas to keep up his awesommeeee work!

[livid wigeon]

these screenshots are from trail ocean, my deep ocean map from #mapmakers2024

i love trailmappers. trail ocean would have massively benefitted from sprinkle tool (kelp placement) and object grouping (kelp and those multipart plants in image 4)

[sly mantle]

I probably won't put the sprinkle tool in this update, rather release the drag section now then work on it.

[livid wigeon]

a lot of people also suggested being able to remove the custom spawnpoint. this can be for later though cause its easy to remove it from the exported lua (could also just move all the custom spawnpoint stuff into the same area and put a "DELETE THIS TO REMOVE CUSTOM SPAWNPOINT" comment)

[keen lion]

What would make quite some sense would be removing the spawn point by default and being able to place any number of them (tho one has to be set as the default) except that last part it can be handled directly in the lua

[sly mantle]

Also, I fixed the custom models not being able to have physics, no clue how I forgot about that. Also added all the weight stuff, so you can make stuff different weights.

[livid wigeon]

sprinkle tool is still probably able to come out this winter, right?

[sly mantle]

Should be, I got time I'm back home for two more weeks

[livid wigeon]

the hype is so real

[livid wigeon]

react to this message with a train emoji if you are hyped for sprinkle tool

[tacit rover]

what about object grouping? is that somewhere on the planned list?

[woeful fjord]

How does importing maps work?

I sent the map file zipped in documents/Trailmappers/saves

I asked my friend to unzip the file, and paste it in documents/Trailmappers/saves

now what should I do?

[fervent sun]

do you want your friend to edit the map or just use it in game?

[lone bane]

i think to edit it

[sly mantle]

If it is a save folder you should just be able to plop it into the saves folder

[woeful fjord]

it worked, must have just taken a while to load

[livid wigeon]

if its a save folder with custom assets you also have to copy their model/texture locations exactly

although the textures arent as necessary as the models

[livid wigeon]

even if raftmakers wont go through im still gonna make some detailed maps with the stuff i can do

[sly mantle]

Alright, the update is out, have fun with drag select

Also the Germany age rating stuff I am still trying to figure out, because it says I have done everything I need which is very false

It might be because it is a play test

[tacit rover]

you somehow inverted the sheep textures lmfao

[mental seal]

YYYEEEEEAHHHHHSS

finally i can use trailmappers without craving the sweet release of death

[livid wigeon]

theres still no object grouping sadly

[blazing harbor]

we needed a black sheep

[livid wigeon]

its gonna be white ingame

[blazing harbor]

aww

[livid wigeon]

with whats hopefully coming this winter, is it really a playtest anymore?

and i think quite a few people get turned off when they see they have to apply

even if its instant

[blazing harbor]

The bears wont disappear from the map after deleting them in trailmappers

[livid wigeon]

probably an issue with TM modding, barrels and explosive ones do the same thing

[blazing harbor]

how do i get rid of this thing 😭

[livid wigeon]

let it chase your vehicle and then explode

[blazing harbor]

its not real

[livid wigeon]

it might be messed up cause its clipped into the ground

[blazing harbor]

it spawns like that everytime i export the map

[tacit rover]

have you relauched the game?

[blazing harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/apollo11rocket-launch-gif-21460143

[lone bane]

evil sheep

[keen lion]

According to our DMS the black sheep already happened once, I don't mention the fix tho

[livid wigeon]

don't need to relaunch the whole game, just leave and enter a map

the new rock textures (including previously red "desert" rock) are a bit scuffed in the object list

actually in general the new rock things are a bit messed up

10 errors when deleting Blue Arrows; sending in a moment

oh my god is purple space chirpo fixed

[sly mantle]

Yea, I might take it off play test after all of this

[tacit rover]

they might be missing their normals or something, i guess i could search for better textures in the files and send them to rid

seems like multiple models dont have normals including the dark living rocks, grass living rocks and fungus living rocks. also fungus texture is still way off as well as the desert rocks, so imma try to HSV correct them. and in case youll be putting out an update Rid, can you pretty please make the moon rocks, and the crystal rocks the special shader non scalable texture to make them more accurate?

also all crystal rocks should have the same texture (rn the uvs or something is a bit messed) and i think they should be in rocks nonliving instead of space

[tacit rover]

thank god for ninja ripper otherwise i would never have found those extremely specific (and definitely inappropriately named) normal textures

[tacit rover]

also it appears that rock_detail_top_mud1 has the same fancy shader texture as well. imma provide the two necessary files too

the same properties apply to rock_detail_top_desert as well (turns out im blind and the textures are already implemented, imma get the normals anyway tho)

[tacit rover]

dm with the files sent!

[sly mantle]

Thanks man, I'll look at it in a bit

[deft mango]

I have no experience with 3d models, and i've imported some into Trailmappers, but how do I get the textures to work correctly? Or at least how do I replace them so they work correctly ingame?

[livid wigeon]

you have to use .png because they work with both trailmappers and trailmakers. the lower the opacity, the less shiny the texture is.

generally keep textures smaller or equal to 1024x1024 though sometimes it can work

i recommend to scale most models' UV up so that the texture tiles. this will help with lower resolution textures and especially with terrain.

and i also recommend using a lot of official prefabs on top of a terrain model because it will load much quicker and look nicer because of the fancier textures the official assets have. custom models can't have a surface (traction/grip) like grass/sand/dirt/mud but you can use big red mushroom prefabs for grass and the snow plate prefabs for snow

the high seas rock prefabs also have a "slippery grass" surface but that's only on the top

[deft mango]

alright, thanks

[lone bane]

me when satellite imagery textures

[blazing harbor]

I got 2 crashes when moving the camera while making my map

the map has alot of assets which may have something to do with it

there are no custom models on the map

[teal mist]

I feel like the worst part of modding is starting to show.
Keeping up with new versions.

[livid wigeon]

the worst part of modding is that its only on one platform and barely worked on bc of it

[teal mist]

Depends how often the game updates

[lone bane]

not just that, its simply because modding is currently only available on the steam version, and that is the reason its being neglected. Devs really don’t want to add more features to modding because it only benefits one platform

[livid wigeon]

this is what i said

and its not really that they dont want to, it's that they have better and more important things to work on... like the things for all platforms such as the entire rest of the game

[teal mist]

Yeah true also
For another game called rimworld theres one guy with like 40 mods he has to update every game updage

[livid wigeon]

@sly mantle progress update?

[sly mantle]

I got a bit distracted

[lone bane]

i see

[old kestrel]

Some of the objects in trailmappers have textures with grass on the top side regardless of rotation. These displayed textures often do not match up when put into trailmakers. How hard would it be to make these textures match up?

[tacit rover]

let bro have some damn Christmas time 😭

[vivid laurel]

a dev might need to answer this one for me but - since ive been talking alot about adding the tesselated terrain that normal maps tend to have; is that a feature exlusive to original maps or can unity technically allow you to make them in an editor in realtime too if you knew how to code it in (theyre meta surfaces , as far as i know)

[lone bane]

you got at least 5 days before a response, they're on their break

[livid wigeon]

don't think they will respond in this channel, if they respond to your question at all. and as aj said after they get back from break

[lone bane]

prolly ask in the general modding chat for best chance

[sly mantle]

I got a guitar lol, I've been messing with it

[lone bane]

w

[median beacon]

is there anything in trailmappers that gives off a lot of light?

i have a really dark area i need to light up

preferably from the roof

[blazing harbor]

the power core block

make it invisible and static and not collideable

Cannot change its size tho

you just need alot of them to emit alot of light

[median beacon]

oh thanks

[livid wigeon]

chests from airborne, rings of fire are very bright

[hollow terrace]

how do i import maps i downloaded from the workshop into trailmappers playtest? what do i import? the file named map?
but there is no file named map in the downloaded mods?! in my own map, there is a map file(C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods\park) but if i click on import in trailmappers it says that the file doesnt exist?!
where are the files of workshop maps?
i deleted one of my maps in the explorer and after loading int trailmakers. the mod was gone in the mod select menu. i opened the workshop and i was still subscribed. i unsubscribed and resubscribed but the map-folder wont show up in the mod trajectory

[inner nacelle]

Trailmakers Workshop mods (and Blueprints) are located in your Steam Library. Eg
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\585420
or maybe...
D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\workshop\content\585420
You'll then be confronted with many folders with number codes. One of those is the ~~ droid~~ mod you are looking for 🙂

Search the 585420 folder for "Preview.png" and show the results as "Large Icons".

Right click the preview that matches the mod you are looking for and "Open file location".

[hollow terrace]

thx! it worked, i now located the map, how do i import it in trailmappers?

how do i import it ino trailmappers? copying that trajectory and pasting it in trailmappers doesnt do anything. at least it doesnt say the file woulngt exist. the import button does nothing when clicked, or so it seems

[fervent sun]

you need to copy the file to a folder in documents/trailmappers/saves

[hollow terrace]

if i copy in the file it wont show up in the saved maps section. if i copy the folder of the mod in, it shows up with icon and everything. if i click on edit it puts me in the editor but thers no sign of any objects. i looked at the map file in text editor and i found out that dragon city mod obviously has all the blocks in the file why is this?

[fervent sun]

try putting the map file and the preview.png file

[hollow terrace]

i tried it. still nothing but the spawnpoint are loaded in.

is there a web page about it?

[lone bane]

iirc the import button is for importing trailedit maps

[rose sandal]

Does anyone know how to fix the bug that causes custom models to render as a cube with no texture but still have correct collisions?

[lone bane]

wait for the model to load

[rose sandal]

how long does that take

for a 3 MB 3d model

[lone bane]

unfortunately for trailmakers terms 3 MB is a lot

best to keep the model under 700 kb for under minute load time, model loading times are just really stupidly slow

if you need, decrease the models triangle count or split the model into multiple parts

[livid wigeon]

im not entirely sure why but after 1.9.5 it seems textures load much faster (one 4k texture in about 5-7 seconds) and a 1mb model took about maybe 3-5 seconds

[livid wigeon]

is there an easy way to split models or is it very manual

[lone bane]

4k? before 4k textures barely loaded at all

[livid wigeon]

yeah

i have a mid end pc tho

[lone bane]

no

i do manual

usually only for terrain

[livid wigeon]

its in singleplayer idk about multiplayer, but i found people asking about the color dots on a texture after maybe 10-20 seconds from joining which also includes the time for them to realize and such

[versed moat]

It still takes same amount of time for models/textures to load, it just caches them now on first loading

[livid wigeon]

the texture time is for sure on the first load (no cache). the model time shouldve been on first load too

[lone bane]

looks like the flamethrower part is missing its texture and fire

or its just underground?

ok apparently my terrain blocks fire

[median beacon]

You should be able to make all things non static, I want to tow GC-4020

[lone bane]

i think there are limitations on certain prefabs with modding, not trailmappers

[deft mango]

how do I get textures to work? I know I have to have png's but i'm using downloaded OBJ Files

[lone bane]

on a custom models config settings you can set the texture, make sure the texture is small enough resolution to load fast

for something that doesnt need much detail id make it ~512x512 or lower

[deft mango]

aight i'll try that

[livid wigeon]

4k textures on a modern midrange pc take 5-7 seconds, good for terrain megatextures

1024x1024 or 2048x2048 should be very good for detailed textures

[versed moat]

1024 is usually a good sweet-spot

[deft mango]

I know nothing about 3d modeling to the slightest 💀

[teal mist]

DELETE THE DEFAULT CUBE

real blender users will know

[livid wigeon]

im gonna try to load a 7.5mb terrain mesh into trailmakers nad it will die instantly

it died at 60%, probably when it got to loading the big mesh

OH

IT HASNT COMPLETELY DIED

NAH IT LOADED IT BUT ITS ALL GON

indeed it deleted like 75% of it

[livid wigeon]

fun fact
32767 is the limit (32.7k)
and this has 131k tris
and so thats about 4x the limit, which it then deletes about 75% so that adds up

[median beacon]

They seem to mess with my camera, anything else I can use?

[blazing harbor]

no

[tacit rover]

you can try power core crate but that emits blue light

[rose sandal]

how come maps load in a matter of seconds in trailmappers but take minutes in trailmakers?

[tacit rover]

the loading system that buffers the objects is extremely outdated and poorly made, especially for custom objects

[rose sandal]

could that be fixed with a mod?

[tacit rover]

nope

the modding api is very limited in this regard

what are you trying to load btw?

[rose sandal]

dunno how to describe it

[tacit rover]

lmfao, im asking mainly bc of the object amount /custom object file sizes

[rose sandal]

well it's 1000 kb

which i now realize is quite a bit

and i think there are 30 of them

[tacit rover]

yeah unfortunately that is quite big for trailmakers

[tacit rover]

30 different objs or 30 of the same?

[rose sandal]

30 of the same

[tacit rover]

then it doesnt matter. once one loads all is done

[rose sandal]

yeah i thought so

but it still won't load

wait a sec

nope

might be more than 30

ignore the bad editing

[rose sandal]

everything totals to less than 1.2kb

and why do the hitboxes load just not the model

[tacit rover]

do they never load even after you let it set for at least 5 minutes?

[rose sandal]

i figured out it was the road texture

now it seems to load some stuff

but then crashes

[rose sandal]

i figured it out

1 MB is a ton for trailmakers

make your circles with 12 sides

[lone bane]

very good choice

[tacit rover]

for some things you are better off using the basic trailmakers prefabs simply for the load times. or you can try block building from your smaller prefabs. either way you are going to save resources and load time

[lean badger]

map not loading?

also i just found out im unable to move

even after diabling all mods

It only happens on this map, with custom modes

models*

these are the models btw

[lone bane]

how long did you wait for the models to load

[lean badger]

30 mins

in trailmakers not trailmappers

the models are relatively small

[lone bane]

yes i see that, they should work
try removing the textures

[lean badger]

hm ok

[lone bane]

if it loads fine without the texture, try reducing the file size of the texture
1024x1024 resolution is a good spot

[lean badger]

worked thanks

i didnt make the textures, the program exported them automatically aling with the .obj

tf u typing lol

[fervent sun]

also, .mtl files aren't supported

[lone bane]

they should always align with the obj, assuming the UV map is the same.

[lean badger]

ooh ok

which one is?

[lone bane]

only textures are supported, and their alpha values represent roughness

[lean badger]

yeah but what format

[lone bane]

trailmakers supports png and jpg, but trailmappers only supports png

[lean badger]

ok

YES THANKS

i had to export the palette separetely

[livid wigeon]

wher sprinkle update
im waiting

[lone bane]

https://tenor.com/view/sprinkler-water-spraying-water-gif-14338918

[livid wigeon]

that's a sprinkler

[atomic plaza]

Probably some time around Rid is in the process of acquiring education so it’ll be done whenever he gets to it o’clock

So I’d be prepared to wait a semester at least

[livid wigeon]

damn he promised this winter/december but fine the entire project can be put on hold like 4+ months

[atomic plaza]

Dude, he promised nothing. He said he’d try to get an update out this past break which he did. He said he’d try and get that in but clearly it’s taking more time, you need to have more patience for a tool being developed for free by a guy with a busy schedule

[white kindle]

Not sure if it's been asked here but is there a way to change the friction physics of an object? I've created a road surface but it has too much grip.

[knotty lily]

Not currently possible with the modding api. And since the modding api is announced to not get any planned updates any time soon you shouldnt get your hopes up. Instead you could try and place one of the other presets with a different grip slightly below your road and make the road object have no collisions

[white kindle]

That could work actually for what I need

[white kindle]

Thanks for the info btw much appreciated

[tacit rover]

the no collision trick may or may not work, its kinda wonky and broken atm. instead i would do it the other way around, make the prefab object be very slightly above said object and make the top one invisible. @white kindle wheels are not that great so youll have to experiment

[median beacon]

Please make wind work on all maps

[knotty lily]

ah what part of modding isnt broken rn lol

[old kestrel]

Wind is not possible in TM API at the moment.

[dreamy inlet]

to pop in to ask, does anyone know if its possible to make Neon/Glowing on models/textures? (not producing light like point lights i mean physically just glowing)

[livid wigeon]

not on custom models/textures

there are some (very few) pfbs with emissive parts tho

[lone bane]

emmisive textures yea no

[shadow path]

so...anyone found how to make those?

[livid wigeon]

custom assets cannot do emissive/glowy things

the metal all around should be possible though, if you put effort into the roughness

[shadow path]

talkin about the emissive lines

[dreamy inlet]

custom assets cannot do emissives

[tacit rover]

anyone got any clue why this object in particular refuses to load? the whole mod gets stuck on 97% and freezes the game, yet the game loads in others custom objects just fine

[livid wigeon]

idk, tris/verts seem fine. do you have a specific texture youre loading it with?

[tacit rover]

nope

[tacit rover]

just the model, nothing else in the mod

[livid wigeon]

it crashed for me as well

yeah idk

[livid wigeon]

i said in the first message that custom textures cannot do emissive/glowy parts

[inner nacelle]

We used to have a yellow beam prefab but at some point an update turned it invisible. It's still there in Trailmappers but invisible in-game.

You can super stretch a gold nugget to get an emissive yellow line but it's not the smoothest line.

[shadow path]

i love those solutions XD ty

[livid wigeon]

the gold nugget also flashes darker and lighter

[lone bane]

making nice lush dense forests is soo much easier with drag select

[livid wigeon]

just wait for when sprinkle tool is definitely added

[livid wigeon]

the pink/blue crystals from space sector are emissive but dont emit light

[shadow path]

@livid wigeon ????

[livid wigeon]

?

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What is it

[livid wigeon]

its multiple objects with lights mixing together

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Which object?

[livid wigeon]

multiple objects

its a power core crate, and then i think 4-7 "Chest"s

[shadow path]

Chest makin light? Woot how i missed that?

I have couple in Driftopia and never noticed they produce light 🤣

[livid wigeon]

its a rather low intensity yellow-orange glow and i like it

i used it for the alien plants on Trail Ocean

[shadow path]

thanks alot pals...but i found my ultimate object ::) the slavage things 🙂

[inner nacelle]

I often use "PFB_SalvageItem_Timed" which is a yellow light with just the lightcone. Make it invisible and all you are left with is the light and no collision issues.

[tacit rover]

Btw, scaling the item does not scale down the light cone. For effect, you can make the salvage very small and make the cone stick out. You dont see it in trailmappers but you do in trailmakers

It makes it look like the light diffuses in the mist

[shadow path]

i think i unlocked a door to a hidden world XD
WHAT IS THIS REFLECTION FROM?

[abstract sage]

epic cubemap

[deft mango]

someone make a 30 minute video essay on this

"The Mysterious Landscape In Trailmappers"

[lone bane]

its literally just a fake reflection cubemap lmfao

[deft mango]

i know, but it seems like something some video essay youtuber would make a high effort video on

[lone bane]

casually working on map,
suddenly it stops loading properly and game freezes at 100% and connection timeouts after a while
undid basically everything i did and i have no idea what is causing it at all

[potent nova]

you know i really wanted to make a motorstorm styled race-track but there is no way to make terrain so everything is too uneven

[livid wigeon]

small qol suggestion: the ability to link/lock axis together so for example if i change red scale to 3 then green and blue scale are also modified
this would save a couple seconds with scaling objects

you can already do this with the gimzo but it is imprecise