I have not refunded this game

[viscid otter]

well nawhh i came here for some help

i am stuck in a room

[languid warren]

also be careful about pointing people towards looking up spoilers as well, it's actually not necessary at all to complete rain world and some players prefer the blind, spoiler free experience

yeah i can help you in your own thread about that

[candid briar]

Current theories

Pollution

Hunter has magic cancer and will die if he(?) doesn't ascend in time

Questions

1. What?

Theory two

The time limit has to do with Five Pebbles

Perhaps this takes place after Survivor and the Unfortunate Development spread further

Questions

1. What could the Hunter possibly do about that?

Answer is likely something about the pearl or the neuron

I've noticed that this one has some sort of hologram that it produces when dropped

And it also doesn't change colour

So it could be some sort of message the same way the pearls are

And perhaps Five Pebbles basically sent me as a messenger

Questions

1. Who did I get the message from?

Maybe the ruins of the west Iterator

Perhaps said iterator struggled with the infection too, but solved it somehow and FP sent me there to learn how

Another possibility

Maybe Five Pebbles wanted to know more about the ancients and this is actually a prequel

And the way FP knows Slugcats can ascend is because Hunter did it before Survivor

So FP sent Hunter to go scout that place out and I returned with the neuron (a way of recording perhaps? stored the knowledge as a hologram) and a pearl (maybe a message FP told me to carry around in case I meet another Iterator)

[viscid otter]

yeaa

[viscid otter]

i'd love to

[languid oyster]

You crossed through one to get to sky islands, no?

Hunter is a challenge and a huge difficulty spike from surv but it is not impossible by any means, nor even necessarily the hardest campaign

Don't stress too much about commitment. Something we often recommend is to try hunter, see what you can learn in terms of the world, goals, strategies. And not worry about whether you'll make it to the end or not.

Then, when you have further experience and comfort in the future, you can revisit it to give it a serious shot

And l reiterate this, level design can't be that bad if it does have tailored solutions that you just haven't discovered yet

It is empirical in rainworld to step out of bubbles and try anything and everything that comes to mind. To deter enemies, to prolong a jump distance, so on so forth.

[candid briar]

I've figured all that out

I need either a spear boost or a mushroom to pass the bridge

But what can I possibly do when the game decides to spawn an enemy right off-screen so I jump directly into its' mouth at mach fuck

Probably just gonna try Farm Arrays instead

[wraith bloom]

if it's that unintuitive, surely there's another way

[languid oyster]

That and you can also have a try at Remix settings if offscreen enemies is too disruptive for you

Slug Senses specifically

Though if you use music cues correctly you'll know there's a predator within the room miles in advance

[candid briar]

I keep music quieted down usually

[candid briar]

I thought that was a Downpour thing

[languid oyster]

Remix comes bundled with vanilla

[languid oyster]

Well there's the issue then

Music is your first line of defense and you can't fault the game for that

[candid briar]

Feels like a missed accessibility feature

[languid oyster]

For the hard of hearing there's a visual threat indicator as an alternative

[candid briar]

Is that part of remix?

[languid oyster]

Other than that, willingly skimping on music in a game that's 50% about the music experience? A travesty

[candid briar]

Not a big OST enjoyer

[true pilot]

Rain World uses music to convey theme and emotion quite well, but I can understand that

[candid briar]

Many games do

[true pilot]

True, but I can't get into how RW does it differently without it being a spoiler

[candid briar]

Music just tends to distract me

[true pilot]

Sound and audio cues will help you identifying what the threat is, but yeah you can have the visual indicator enabled if you so wish

[languid oyster]

The developer that designed all the rooms of the game is a musician and is the creator of the ost; they were definitely designed to go hand in hand! Redacting the music from the scenery is going through the game with one eye closed

[true pilot]

However, if you feel it distracts you instead, it's understandable to want to prioritize gameplay over thematics

Out of curiosity, in what manner is it distracting?

[candid briar]

Just a personal preference really

I do it with most games

I even play Minecraft with subtitles on

[true pilot]

It just kinda draws your attention away from the game? I've not heard much about this from people so I'm pretty curious

[true pilot]

That I can understand

[candid briar]

More like literally any in-game sound makes it harder for me to lock in

[true pilot]

I see I see

[candid briar]

I generally just don't like music as a background noise

The only time I listen to music is when it's the sole thing I'm doing (ie. when I'm travelling)

[true pilot]

I would recommend slug senses then and also threat indicators in that case, slug senses will allow you to open your map and see the location of an creature and what that creature is

[languid oyster]

That's unfortunate but well that's what the accessibility features are for

So feel free to implement em

[candid briar]

Gonna try doing that and then going through Farm Arrays instead

Since I'm not gonna deliver the pearl anyway

[gloomy sable]

fr ive had times when i leave a room and just instantly go back bc "god dammit theres a bird here"

[candid briar]

I have no idea how to pass this scavenger toll

Current strategy is waiting for something to distract them

But the vultures have been very keen on not coming recently

Decided to turn on Monk doors because lord knows I'm not keeping a high enough karma for this shit

Decided not to opt for the karmaless gates tho

Next shelter reached fucking finally

[candid briar]

Wait VULTURES??

[narrow sail]

ohhh yeah you definitely need to have your volume up for this game

both in terms of being able to sense danger from the music and in terms of being able to hear noises from creatures offscreen

[narrow sail]

Also the game is usually pretty quiet when you're not in combat

Are you playing on mute or just at low volume?

[candid briar]

Varies

[narrow sail]

(this particular game does put a lot of effort into making the sound design feel immersive, you should at least try it)

[candid briar]

A lot of games do

[narrow sail]

The developers hand-placed the random machinery noises in every single room

And the game's sound designer, IIRC, said they joined specifically because they were following the project and then had a nightmare about the game releasing and sounding awful

Also, like, vibes are a core component of the game's design philosopy, moreso than a lot of other games.

[candid briar]

You'd be surprised

Because this is something I hear for literally every indie game I play

[narrow sail]

Fair I guess? But in this game it's almost prioritized above gameplay

[candid briar]

I feel like I'm not gonna make it to FP on time

Never mind I'm disabling gates

I'm only here for the plot anyway

[languid oyster]

That's not a great mindset to experience a game with

[candid briar]

I'm playing a harder campaign in which I have to build up karma despite having a time limit so every death is 800x more punishing and I die 800x as often

[languid oyster]

Which is incentive to learn and develop greater combat and skills

[candid briar]

Don't feel like being thrown back to Farm Arrays

If they wanted me to learn they could've not placed me on a time limit and I'd be fine

[languid oyster]

If you decline engaging with the game what makes it different from resigning and reading the plot on the wiki?

May as well get your money's worth and play

[candid briar]

I am playing

The option's there for a reason

I'm still the one doing the platforming and fighting, this way my required playtime just drops from 200 to 20

[languid oyster]

If experimenting under hunter's constraints is a stressor, what abt jumping into an easier campaign and learn via them, translating the knowledge to hunter once feeling ready (the actual intended approach to it)

[candid briar]

Feels like an awful lot of time to spend not doing anything new just so I can do something new

[narrow sail]

IMHO

if you don't like how punishing the Hunter's campaign is, it's better to skip it than cheat it

[languid oyster]

Yeah many people come back to it near the end after doing the other vanillas and some/most of the downpour ones

[narrow sail]

the DLC campaigns aren't designed as "hard modes" like the Hunter is

you can just play those and come back to the Hunter later (when you have more practice)

[candid briar]

Option's there for a reason

[narrow sail]

nothing wrong with that (that's what I did)

[languid oyster]

You'll inevitably grow more skilled via that and you'd be doing new stuff instead of growing bored

[candid briar]

Not very keen on spending more money on the game when I have so much criticism about it

[narrow sail]

Option wasn't there until Downpour released and the game explicitly warns against using it

[narrow sail]

ah, OK, fair

[languid oyster]

A lot of games have inbuilt cheats or creative modes

[candid briar]

And they're there for a reason

[narrow sail]

Remix is a mod, remember.

[candid briar]

This isn't making me unkillable

I'm walking through the same areas and fighting the same enemies, I just don't have to reset every hour

[narrow sail]

It sorta is. Given how little death matters in this game otherwise-

[languid oyster]

Yeah you'd be removing the last remaining ingame consequence of death, ie "unkillable"

[candid briar]

The last consequence is being thrown back to the previous shelter

[narrow sail]

yeah, but that usually doesn't really matter

unless you, like, have a really good cycle that you can't replicate

[candid briar]

Real quick

The point of rain world is to keep trying and learn despite failing

[narrow sail]

(moreso when exploring than when travelling through already-mapped areas, but then if you're travelling in already-mapped areas you're probably travelling pretty quickly so you can probably make it back quickly)

[candid briar]

And persevere because eventually you'll get better

Yes?

[narrow sail]

yeah

[candid briar]

And suddenly I'm being punished for not immediately knowing how to get past an enemy

While fighting enemies I've never seen before

In areas I've gotten used to having less enemies in

[narrow sail]

Well, then, maybe you should be in the learning phase rather than the acting phase.

Do you know what happens at the end of the countdown

[languid oyster]

You've got time to tackle and figure out those creatures and regions one at a time

[candid briar]

Not a clue

Either I die, FP dies or FP hates me

Or Moon dies

[narrow sail]

I say

spend a few cycles practicing hunting the new wildlife without moving to a new shelter

(or attempts of the same cycle, if you don't want to risk the countdown)

[languid oyster]

No one ever succeeds completion of hunter before the countdown on their first try anyway

[narrow sail]

well, true

it might also be a good idea to see what happens when the countown finishes

worst-case scenario you can reset the save file

[candid briar]

At my current tempo I'll find out regardless

So one might say this is the learning phase

[narrow sail]

yeah, it is

(given you're also encountering new creatures, as you said)

[languid oyster]

Accepting that this first run is "doomed" so to speak can help you worry less abt commitment and work with the fact that you got 19 freebie cycles to just screw around testing stuff

[narrow sail]

And who knows, maybe the end of the countdown won't actually end up mattering

[languid oyster]

Maybe hunter grows a third eye at the end

[candid briar]

I'm still learning

I'm just not confined to Outskirts

[narrow sail]

this removes any punishment for death (even in-cycle progress, if you don't plan to move to a new shelter anyways) and lets you focus on learning risk-free

the point is you aren't trying to tackle learning the campaign and beating the campaign at the same time, since, as you've pointed out, that's not really fair

[candid briar]

I'm not trying to "beat" the campaign, I'm trying to experience the story

If I do that and deem that the campaign is fun enough to try to actually beat I'll do it

Rn all I care about is seeing the differences, fighting the enemies and doing what the game tells me to do

Remix is there to mend the game to your liking and so that's what I'm doing

[narrow sail]

Won't stop you. Just, know the risks, and know what you could try to make it easier legitimately

And don't be afraid to fail the countdown on your first try of it.

[languid oyster]

Yeah it's important to mention that if you insist this much we WON'T force push you into changing your mind btw, because you are the player and in the end your free will and your way of enjoyment is priority Just making sure you understand the perspective and the alternatives.

[narrow sail]

(Although, if anything, if you're "just playing for the story" I could argue you'll get a more accurate story experience by running out the countdown early in the campaign, since that's usually what happens to new players who aren't using cheats )

[languid oyster]

The game does not mesh well for a mindset of instant gratification. But if you already have a troubled relationship with the game and this is your attempt to give it a bit more chance for you to keep playing it, then l guess that's whatever

You're giving it a shot, and that's not bad at all

[candid briar]

I feel like I'm gonna die to it either way cuz rn I'm mostly just sheltering whenever I can

My current plan is to just live long enough to get to FP and think of a route

I'm currently going the same way I did Hunter (Outskirts, Industrial Complex, Shaded Citadel)

I'm wondering if it's worth it to make a pit stop at LTTM and check what's up with her

[narrow sail]

Also, keep in mind that gates are the main thing requiring you to actually progress the countdown.

Depending on your route there's probably only going to be like 5-10 shelters between where you are and Five Pebbles, so you might find the countdown more or less slows to a halt if you only ever progress it by moving to a new shelter.

[candid briar]

I spent quite a few cycles trying to get my karma up

So rn I'm at I believe cycle 7

[narrow sail]

ah OK

[candid briar]

Assuming I stop at every one I should have just enough to get to LTTM and then FP

[languid oyster]

Oh did you keep gates on in the end

[narrow sail]

nah

[languid oyster]

Ah nvm l misread

You meant in the early half of the run

[candid briar]

Yup

Current thoughts on hunter

I really like the ambush enemies

They feel like one of the most well designed so far

[narrow sail]

I'm just saying without gates they might not necessarily get the first-time experience of running out the countdown before reaching the points of interest.

[candid briar]

They punish for not paying attention/rushing, but they're easily counterable with a single spear

[narrow sail]

[candid briar]

Does the countdown stop when I reach FP?

[candid briar]

The upgraded Vultures are really really fun as well, I love their hooks, genuinely feels like an expanded upon version of the original

The alligators kind of piss me off because they're still just boring

Like they look cool and their bounces are cool but in the end it's still just "I move towards you and kill you if I get close"

The same thing I've seen with the flying blue ones

[narrow sail]

Would rather not say.
My point is just that finding out what happens when the countdown runs out is usually one of the first things that happens in a Hunter playthrough.

[candid briar]

I see

I like the idea of needing to kill enemies and eat them

But this is NOT stated anywhere in the game

And I have no idea how anyone is supposed to figure it out when actually eating the enemy is so difficult

Like even when I kill them it takes a solid half a minute of trial and error to start eating

[narrow sail]

It's in the campaign description, and you get a pop-up tutorial at the start.

[candid briar]

Because my slugcat would rather pick up and set down their spear over and over

[candid briar]

I might be illiterate

Does it explicitly say you can eat them because I don't remember that

[narrow sail]

uh let me see if I can find said tutorial pop-up

[narrow sail]

You need to eat meat to sustain yourself
Grab your prey and hold the eat button to feed
Some small creatures can be eaten immediately
Larger prey needs to be incapacitated first

this is an issue I have with the game TBH

some really important tutorial pop-ups are missible

it's even more of an issue in the DLCs

So if the pop-up text bar shows up, pay close attention to it

[candid briar]

Bet

Must've been distracted

[narrow sail]

(As you've probably noticed, this game only resorts to pop-up tutorials when there truly is no other way to get the information. So they're all pretty important, and the fact that they only play once can become problematic.)

[languid oyster]

Apart from the tutorial the name The Hunter is pretty self explanatory as well as veggies only giving a miniscule amount of food

[narrow sail]

I mean yeah

I think the reason the pop-up tutorial system is so bad is because the Survivor's campaign doesn't really use it for anything important

[languid oyster]

They should definitely be repeated if their corresponding action hasn't been performed for a cycle

[narrow sail]

and later updates' campaigns rely way more on it than it was designed for

[languid oyster]

Watcher actually does this for at least one tutorial, which is a good amendment

[narrow sail]

Oh really? interesante

I did not know that

worse, holding the map button speeds up all pop-ups

(which makes sense for the start-of-cycle one, since pop-ups also block opening the map)

but then if you were trying to look at the map when the pop-up opened it becomes much easier to miss

[candid briar]

I've been looking at the downpour stuff and it looks very very interesting

[narrow sail]

heh

[candid briar]

Mostly just spawn locations and unique mechanics

[narrow sail]

MSC is really story-focused, you might like it for that TBH

IMHO the gameplay suffers for it a little bit, though

[candid briar]

I'm fine with that

[narrow sail]

And the story feels kinda fanfiction-y, since, uh, it is in fact fanfiction

[candid briar]

My favourite part of this game has been theorising and exploring

Some of the enemies are fun, others are insufferable

[undone fiber]

Mine is when the slugcat says "I'm the Rain World" and starts wetting everyone

[candid briar]

Pause

I know for a fact you could've used a different word there but whatever

[narrow sail]

it also doesn't really have the attention to detail or vibes™ the vanilla game has

I've heard it described before as "Rain World: The Video Game" and I think that's pretty accurate

[candid briar]

What about Watcher

[narrow sail]

uh

more or less the complete opposite

Watcher is really weird and possibly even more artsy than vanilla Rain World

and it has a heavy focus on the gameplay, particularly the exploration component

[languid oyster]

Watcher recreates the sense of being dazed and confused in a big new world that playing vanilla for the first time did

Downpour is more like a traditional videogame

[candid briar]

Both sound fun

[languid oyster]

The characters are somewhat more like Main Characters, the gameplay is somewhat more linear and goal oriented

Both formats have their fans and haters

I like em all though

And yeah every slugcat across everywhere has its own story and goals, which fill in their own contributions to the lore on an overarching timeline

Though canonicity does have to be noted. The three entities (vanilla dp watcher) are standalone

[narrow sail]

mostly because. fanfiction

MSC lore actually conflics with vanilla lore in a few ways

and it runs a little more on Rule of Cool

[languid oyster]

To be fair basegame is packed full of rule of cool

[narrow sail]

Well yeah. The Rain pretty explicitly runs on cartoon logic

[languid oyster]

By devs' own admission

[narrow sail]

But, like, in ways that go against vanilla lore and its themes.

[candid briar]

So take it with a grain of salt basically

[narrow sail]

vanilla Rain World lore is designed to hold up to being picked through thoroughly by the community

MSC lore is more just a cool story

[languid oyster]

I mean not really. The fanbase does this, but the devs have said they don't like the Rigorous Lore mentality

[narrow sail]

the actual plotholes aren't something you'll notice on a first playthrough, though, just nitpicks

[languid oyster]

As per their words rainworld is a template/ a setting, not a 'canon', so although things like the dlcs are definitely standalone universes, it's not something to scrutinize. They are welcome to many stories being told within this template and none is more legitimate than the other

[narrow sail]

true

but the vanilla campaigns are a lot more about discovering the setting itself, which is pretty firmly grounded

[languid oyster]

Depends on the definition of grounded, every now and then some details are just bs-ed into being

[narrow sail]

Yeah, but not as much as in MSC

[languid oyster]

But a lot of thought has been put into it.

Yeah not as much as msc

[narrow sail]

(The game is named after its setting, after all.)

[narrow sail]

though, I don't count Rule of Cool as a lore issue if it's consistent about it

like, yeah, the Rain runs on cartoon logic, but that's just how the world works™

plotholes are only plotholes if there's a previously established plot to put a hole in

[candid briar]

Maybe I'm reaching

But I could see the plot being symbolic criticism of modern performative religion

As in

Living life "like God would want" only on paper, following a set of rules but not truly believing in the core values

Well

This is kind of similar to my previous comments about the ancients and the scientists being similar

In the end they're both sort of trying to "speed up" the process of Ascension and breaking the cycle and none of them do

Because they don't truly believe in nor want to put in the work and values required for ascension

[languid oyster]

VERY strong analysis

[narrow sail]

Your theories are cool

[candid briar]

Memory Crypts passed through, doesn't seem to be any different

I might be misremembering but Shaded Citadel seems even darker than before

Time for my old enemy, The Exterior

WHY IS THIS LIZARD SO FAST?

I just got cornered by fuckass ranged enemies that literally instakill.me

Is there a way to shake off the sand aga

Sandbags*

[candid briar]

Gotta figure out a food source cuz I got to the next two shelters and didn't have enough food for either of them

All of the enemies are too dangerous to kill

The only ones I feasibly can are the lizards but I never have space or time for em

[candid briar]

Finally reached the first shelter

[candid briar]

Shelter 2 reached

Not a single long legs seen

New theory

Hunter has space cancer and transfers it to FP and this is a prequel

And at the end of the countdown I die to space cancer

[narrow sail]

of note: Underhang -> Five Pebbles is a max karma gate

so if you want the full experience™ you might wanna try going to the Wall

[candid briar]

I see

A bit late unfortunately unless I can get to Wall from Underhang

I've literally never been there so I have no idea what to even expect

[candid briar]

Side note: I found a wither storm so I guess I was erong

[narrow sail]

||you can||

you also need to know a bit of movement tech to actually reach the top of the Wall
(||throwing downwards||)

[candid briar]

How does that work

Is it feasible to reach FP through Wall in one cycle

Cuz that's all I have rn

[narrow sail]

uh...

I mean, there's no karma requirments on the way there

so, yes

you can theoretically reach anywhere on the map in one cycle if you have the right level

I'd say Underhang -> Five Pebbles through the Wall route is doable in one cycle, just hard

[narrow sail]

hint: ||backflipping makes the slugcat get disoriented and forget which direction is the horizontal ||

[candid briar]

Interesting

So backflip, throw and it boosts me upwards?

[candid briar]

I mean timewise

[narrow sail]

yeah that's what I mean

even with the Rain you can theoretically reach anywhere on the map in one cycle

and I think you have enough time if you go reasonably fast

[candid briar]

You overestimate my skill

I can barely platform, let alone quickly

[candid briar]

So that's what an echo is

What the fuck?

I sort of knew about them before but only a line or two and fairly detailless

Did not know they looked like this

[languid oyster]

Did you meet none in survivor?

[candid briar]

Nope

Never had the will to backtrack

[languid oyster]

At least one or two are easy to meet by accident in your path

[candid briar]

Once yes, twice not relaly

[candid briar]

I've been hit by a two-week terraria phase

But I should mention

After FP confirmed my theory of Hunter having space cancer I looked up a video of him dying (don't want to sac this save just yet, I want to reach LTTM first and then reset for a regular playthrough) and it's uhhhh

Fucked up?

I was also unfortunately spoiled the ascension cutscene, don't remember when or where, probably either a YT thumbnail or something related to Monsoon

Not much actual meaningful info besides the fact that there's a green iterator who I assume sent Huntrr

So new theory is the green iterator heard FP had space cancer and hoped they could help Hunter

[candid briar]

(judging by the fact Hunter is holding the only non-rainbow neuron I've seen so far)

I assume LTTM will tell me more but it'll be a while until then cuz I am playing Terraria and Deadlock

[viscid otter]

@narrow sail yo what yo name means :3

[candid briar]

16 euro for downpour and watcher

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-unsure-thinking-let-me-think-should-i-get-this-one-gif-16685505

[languid oyster]

Buy em

[candid briar]

I'm broke tho

Well not the issue really the issue is I'm too lazy to get a credit card so I have no convenient way to buy shit

Unlucky

I'll probably buy at least downpour

[candid briar]

Playing Monk to pass the time while I procrastinate playing the rest of my library

I believe I've just absorbed a leftover afterimage of Survivor

Anyway I intend to just explore the areas I haven't yet (Drainage System and Wall) and maybe collect echoes and pearls while I go

Tho the latter is an afterthought and I still intend to just Google them

[bronze lichen]

I'd recommend at least trying to collect pearls on your own before you look them up

[candid briar]

That's what I'm doing rn

I'll pick up whatever I find

And those that I don't I'll look up

Cause I intend to search everything I haven't in my Survivor playthrough

[bronze lichen]

That... would be unfortunate, considering there's still Downpour and Watcher (if you decide to buy them) to play and discover things, as well as Hunter, but it is your choice what you look up

[candid briar]

I'm probably buying Downpour on the next major sale

And from what I heard about it I decided I'd rather focus on its' own story

Rather than try to piece together vanilla lore

[bronze lichen]

Ah

Actually I don't know what's generally recommended...

But I, personally, would recommend waiting on looking things up

But I've also realized I'm a first playthrough purist, so take my words with a grain of salt I guess

[candid briar]

I've gotten this recommended a lot

It's just not my style of playing

Drainage System was an oddly fun area

It's so shocking how this game's water levels are the only ones that are fun to play

[bronze lichen]

Wow

[candid briar]

I'm gonna love Rivulet probably

I with DS had more weapons in it tho I was recycling the same two rocks the entire time

Can't kill shit either I probably shouldn't've gone for Monk

DJ TURN MY SHIT UP THIS THEME IS A BANGER

Entered Garbage Wastes immediately hit by worm muggers and leeches

This area gives me scavenger vibes

I forgot there are vultures here

Scavengers seem to fw me hard

Probably a part of the difficulty decrease

[candid briar]

THEY'RE USING WATER GURGLES AS AN INSTRUMENT

https://tenor.com/view/ufc-joe-rogan-knocked-out-gif-21306265

[candid briar]

Not being pelted by enemies 24/7 has made me appreciate the level design just a tiny bit more

[candid briar]

So I found Six Grains of Gravel

However

This was before FP

So they just dipped

And as far as I know I can't resummon them

I successfully managed to look up the dialogue without spoiling myself on any of the other echoes that's why I'm the goat

https://tenor.com/view/wally-west-gif-27355484

Unfortunately it doesn't provide me with any extra information on the lore of Rain World

Though I understand why, you're meant to get to them right after learning about the ancients

So it's just another hint at ascension

I'd love to interpret all these drawings between the Wall and FP but they seem to have heavy Buddhist inspiration and I'm not familiar enough with that

I do find it interest how their faces are usually what is covered by presumably either white paint or simple scratches and tears

Perhaps putting a focus on their actions and character rather than their name and legacy

Symbolically at least

In-lore it could be a way for the humans (or perhaps FP himself) to reject the ancients, as FP seems fairly condescending towards them

"silly dances and rituals"

I find the position of the city super interesting

It's so high up above the ground

But it seems older than the iterator structure

So it couldn't've been made with the rain in mind

Unless they put literally all of their resources into the structure and had to resort for nothing but stone for their own home

[languid oyster]

I mean it looks like normal concrete skyscrapers

Many interesting theories here though

[candid briar]

Yes but why

They're clearly more advanced than that

So it's either extremely old

Or simply a lack of care and/or resources

Plus, as mentioned, the location is weird

And I believe it implies the iterator structure came either before or during the city's construction

Because they knew about the rain and had to be above the clouds

I adore the Echo designs, they feel so otherworldly even moreso than the Weavers down in the depths

Also apparently I can literally passage into places I have not been to in this campaign

Which feels weird?

I did get spoiled that hunter doesn't actually get passages tho

And I suppose monk/survivor are close enough that it's not a problem if you passage to a location you've been to

Monk definitely feels a lot more chill than a survivor though I'm not sure if I'd say it's more fun

[languid oyster]

Monk is not a very exciting campaign

It largely exists as a survivor easymode

It and survivor are the only two campaigns that are so similar to each other

[languid oyster]

We've sent space probes outside the solar system and look at our apartment blocks

[candid briar]

True

[candid briar]

Droplets has been found

Though the dialogue confuses me

I assume the part about the voices is in a literal sense referring to the ghosts that appear around the map

And in a metaphorical sense perhaps it's about legacy

But I don't get why that'd "feel familiar"

[candid briar]

Needles has been found ✅

[languid warren]

[gloomy sable]

[gloomy sable]

holy hell is that the creature from silky song

[primal leaf]

Oh god i cant even escape wraith in rainworld anymore!

[languid warren]

yeah

[candid briar]

You WILL be point and click cc'd

[candid briar]

I don't even remember what this mf said I forgot to analyse it

I think it was about fame or something?

I know I understood the point pretty easily

Downpour will be bought next time it's on sale probably

[bronze lichen]

Four Needles under Plentiful Leaves

I once had! I was embalmed, adorned, readied for the journey.

So proud. There was jubilation! My name was sung, loud and clear.

Did they know? That I didn't quite leave, didn't quite stay?

Should I be ashamed? That I linger here, where my memories are kept?

Should I be ashamed that I now envy your flesh prison?```

[bronze lichen]

Oh you got this one, too

Droplets upon Five Large Droplets

The buzzing in the air?

The endless chatter of a thousand thousand voices, long dead?

They are gone, and yet they speak. Neither here nor there.

Does that seem familiar? Yes, it is quite amusing for a being in my predicament!```

[candid briar]

Yeah fame

I might give a theory later if I continue playing

[candid briar]

I got gravel asw but they didn't have much

Much new that is

Mostly just confirming things FP told me

[bronze lichen]

Six Grains of Gravel, Mountains Abound

Your attunement has become... much closer to ours.

The mark you received is an unimaginable gift.

The struggle, the cycles...

It can all fade, like a morning mist beneath the glory of the sun.

We found a way.```

[bronze lichen]

For consistencies sake, that dialogue has been provided as well

[candid briar]

#rainworld-news message

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-unsure-thinking-let-me-think-should-i-get-this-one-gif-16685505

[primal leaf]

yesssss get MSC!!!

[maiden cobalt]

heh... get watcher...