I have not refunded this game

[candid briar]

The misunderstanding repeated 4 times

Idk how to get past these guys

[languid oyster]

You have all the knowledge you need

What is the definition of a toll?

[stoic nimbus]

Yeah, you were given a tutorial i believe

if you weren't then move on from that specific toll

[candid briar]

Idk what I could possibly give them

Unless I carry a pearl from shoreline

[candid briar]

Don't recall one

[languid oyster]

They could value many things

Some more than others sure

But financial math is a thing

[candid briar]

Interesting

I tried throwing them the blue shit I find around the area but they just shanked me

Maybe I need to directly give shit instead of throwing it

I'll find out tomorrow

[languid oyster]

Which blue shit

[candid briar]

The uh

Small black things with blue lightning(?) on them

I haven't found a use for them yet

[stoic nimbus]

You arrived from shoreline into garbage wastes?

[candid briar]

Yeah

Making my way back to Farm Arrays, I wanted to go through the other path

[stoic nimbus]

I believe you should try just looking around near you, see what valuables you can find

[stoic nimbus]

Oh i know what you're talking about, carry them around with you and it should become obvious what they do

[candid briar]

Alright

[candid briar]

Coming back to Industrial Complex after all this makes me realize how much I've missed regular alligators

Nevermind this layout is hell, fuck Black Mesa

Industrial complex = beaten ✅

Back at home sweet home

Now presumably all I do is keep going weat

West*

New area reached but it doesn't look very farmy

Or at least the door doesn't

Drainage system

Considering it's leading me east I'm gonna assume I shouldn't go here

Probably leads to garbage wastes judging by the name

The door locked behind me fuck it I'm throwing the cycle

[candid briar]

There's another scavenger toll that's a problem for tomorrow

[stoic nimbus]

Drainage system doesn't only go east, it's just that the entrace to outskirts does btw

[candid briar]

Considering my Hunter playthrough route

What even is the point of chimney canopy and sky islands

Is it just an exit point for Five Pebbles

Cuz I've been told whatever is right of Chimney Canopy is a place you're supposed to climb down and not up

[languid oyster]

The point in what sense?

[candid briar]

And I did read it's the eight place you go through following the guide

[candid briar]

Why's it there

[languid oyster]

What's the point of any region then

None are mandatory other than the start and end one

[candid briar]

So outskirts -> industrial/drainage -> garbage wastes -> shoreline -> LITM -> shoreline (again) -> shaded citadel -> five pebbles -> chimney canopy seems reasonable

[candid briar]

Just another path

I'm just trying to figure out which one

[candid briar]

Presumably FP throws you into "the arm" or whatever if I've already been through The Leg it just seems like a reasonable naming scheme

So for Hunter I'm thinking of going through Drainage and Garbage Wastes, following this playthrough's route and then ending with the upper path through Chimney Canopy (fuck) and Sky Islands (fuck)

And that presumably drops me into the far east end of Farm Arrays

Or like near it at the very least

And then I go down under kinda excited to see what's there cuz I don't get the lore rn

Probably just gonna read up on all the pearl dialogue after I finish my two playthrough's

Maybe after this one

I'll just avoid any hunter exclusives if those exist

And obv DP/Watcher exclusives

I don't think there are any Hunter map changes at least

At least from what I've seen

Or rather read

Chose not to look at any location names and just research yes/no changes

So I don't get some bombshell spoiler from a name

[candid briar]

I seem to be riding a kaiju

[candid briar]

Farm Arrays was utter hell and I'm glad to have made it out

Tomorrow I presumably dive down

And go into hell or somethin

Something

[stoic nimbus]

yoooooooooooo ggs

goodluck with your jorney

[candid briar]

I have a feeling this is the end of the game

Hoping for some sort of lore down here

I guess some final theories are in order

FP talked about cycles

But I'm not really sure if he means literally the feature of cycles I've been going through

Clearly karma is a thing, perhaps a sort of "imprint of the soul" like Silksong's Crests or Constance's things

Well idk if I'd really describe the latter as that

But you get the point

I think it's interesting how FP is so high up but LITM is so low

Obviously it sunk into Shoreline

But they're also horizontally basically the same

Which leaves the question of where was LITM before that

I could see it being like

FP and LITM were sort of two parts of the same structure, like a massive block of AI-powered bullshit made to solve whatever the cycle problem is

Until LITM broke off for whatever reason

I could see it being that whatever the disease in FP is also consumed LITM, either the construct itself or the neurons

Causing LITM to shut down and fall

[languid oyster]

Why do you write LITM

[candid briar]

I'm using Moon to refer to the AI

And LITM to refer to the place

[languid oyster]

Yeah but what's the I stand for

Is what am asking

[narrow sail]

What does LITM stand for?

[candid briar]

Looks Into The Moon

Is it Looks To The Moon

I forgot

[languid oyster]

Though you can still call it Into if you wanna

[candid briar]

Now I'm interested in what happened to the other AIs

Specifically SRS

I know someone here said it's only mentioned

So whatever happened I'm only gonna learn about it once I finish this cuz ain't no way I'm collecting pearls and shit

[narrow sail]

keep in mind you also have two DLCs to do lore-hunting in

[candid briar]

True

I find it interesting FP sent me into the underground to find out about cycles

There is a non-zero chance that cycles are unsolvable whatever that may mean

And that "breaking the cycle" just means putting Survivor down

But that's sad and I don't want to think that

Whoever built FP and LTTM is long gone now

Hm

I guess it all winds down to what the hell a cycle actually is

I could see this being a sort of "purpose of life" metaphor

You eat food, sleep, repeat

And everything else in the world around you does that same thing

I don't think it's literally about the purpose of life, more like just symbolism

Making an AI to ask it what the purpose of life is and then the AI goes crazy isn't a rare trope TBF so I could see it being the case here

Though there's definitely also a more literal in-lore explanation

Still a non-zero chance though, it'd also explain the world itself and my previous theory of this being a "simulation" type thing

Like a custom habitat built up to observe behaviour

And that's why karma gates exist, basically as a "test" to see if an animal can perservere

If respawning is canon (which I kind of doubt) I could see this being true, how many times can the world knock you down before you give up?

[languid oyster]

You're stuck in a cycle

And you want a way out

[candid briar]

I find it interesting how there's been literally nothing about my family

[candid briar]

You're not making me confident about Survivor not being put down

If the game ends with a nihilistic suicide I'm going to genuinely be in tears because it's kind of sad as shit but also peak cinema

[candid briar]

The game seems to start off right after the intro so like where are they

If they were dead surely I'd at least find their corpse

Too many questions and not enough environmental storytelling to tell me what to do

Guess I'll have to dive down a bit deeper tomorrow

[narrow sail]

[languid oyster]

I think the game will surprise you

[stoic nimbus]

[buoyant belfry]

[languid oyster]

It is a very prediction-proof game and the ending is no exception

[candid briar]

So basically "All your theories are wrong, good night"

[narrow sail]

That said, theories are welcome

[languid oyster]

Very much so

[stoic nimbus]

Hahahaha

[candid briar]

So I'm not being put down

[languid oyster]

Some of your theories might even score true. We will never tell you which of course

[candid briar]

Well

All my Silksong theories were 8 miles off

So this is nothing new

I still think this is gonna be a purpose of life metaphor tho

[stoic nimbus]

Can't believe the bug game didn't predict everything

[stoic nimbus]

Oh kinda like the gumball episode?

[candid briar]

I don't remember that one I watched gumball when I was a kid and was watching it purely for how well it portrayed gen Z

[stoic nimbus]

xD

[candid briar]

But basically my idea is that cycles represent the natural course of life, an eat-sleep-breed trinity of must-haves

[stoic nimbus]

Btw most enemies in this game don't even leave bodies to be found

[candid briar]

While the more mechanical side of the game, with Industrial Complex and its' connecting areas, FP and LTTM representing a desire for something greater

[narrow sail]

I mean they do

but, y'know, the Rain

[stoic nimbus]

Dens

[narrow sail]

yeah that too

[candid briar]

And humanity(? still not sure who built the mechs) basically just made AI to answer that question for them, but said AI doesn't really get it

In turn, figuring out the purpose of life became the purpose of FP and LTTM

And yet they never could do it, and their presumed immortality locks them there forever

Aka

Puts them in a cycle

[languid oyster]

[stoic nimbus]

These are some pretty nice theories, i'd love to see you figure out if you are right or wrong later ~

[candid briar]

And it all winds back to this quest of escaping from a cycle, and FP seems to think my escape is found deep down for whatever reason

Or I'm completely fucking wrong and this is a fucking time travel story who knows

At this point anything can happen

Maybe I'm in a bootstrap paradox where I get sent back in time and somehow cause the apocalypse in turn causing me to fall down and go back in time and cause the apocalypse in turn causing me to

Who knows

I'm gonna assume something will be revealed in the underground and then I'll learn more throughout the Hunter playthrough

[stoic nimbus]

Feel free to ping me when you get onto it xD

[candid briar]

If I had to rank the correctness of my theories

I'd say it's like

1. Purpose of life — Extremely likely, I'm already seeing symbolism and I'm sure there'll be more in this last part. I don't think it was the literal goal of making FP and LTTM to break the "cycle", but I do think it's at least partially the allegorical point of the game

2. Simulation of an ecosystem — Less likely the further I go, meeting FP has basically removed the chance for this to be true. The only leftover possibility is that FP is the one running a simulation to spectate the Slugcat and figure out more about the cycles. I do find it interesting how unapposed FP is to killing Slugcat, it doesn't seem like something in-character for them to do unless they know the Slugcat can "respawn" (and that assumes respawning is canon and this cycle shit is literal, which is unlikely). All in all I don't think this one is true.

3. Time travel — Full on shitpost, throwaway joke, definitely not true. It kind of "makes sense" but doesn't really fit with the game at all.

I really like the game's nature Vs technology contrast, I know it's not a very unique thing to make a post-apocalyptic overgrown world but I really like how Rain World does it. The ancient sci-fi tech now overrun by wild animals and dangerous plants is basic but the transition from a relatively nature-focused world into the fully mechanical Five Pebbles is genuinely jaw dropping

[narrow sail]

I mean technically the game is a simulation of an ecosystem, the question is just whether it's a simulation in canon 🤓

[candid briar]

Truth nuke

[candid briar]

Truth nuke

[narrow sail]

Yeah

[wraith bloom]

all your theories are wrong, how did you miss the obvious symbolism of survivor monk and hunter representing the 3 major condiments, ketchup mustard and mayo!! clearly this is a story about humanity taking these condiments for granted and how it led to the downfall of society

[narrow sail]

Mustard!? It's clearly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933882059880030218/1046328356037206016/1669533761852.gif

[wraith bloom]

this is the greatest thing i've ever seen without a single doubt in my head

i was foolish to refuse the truth, forgive me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933882059880030218/1046328356037206016/1669533761852.gif

[candid briar]

https://tenor.com/view/they-gotta-baby-black-guy-shocked-mouth-drop-jaw-drop-gif-15710676

I don't know what that text is about just ignore that

[cinder salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-your-theories-are-wrong-goodbye-videocult-five-pebbles-rain-world-matpat-gif-6360527968389280098

[candid briar]

Every variation of this gif is so fucking funny

[candid briar]

I think it's interesting the rain happens every day

Sure sometimes it's earlier sometimes it's later

But it's always there

Forces everyone back into their dens and shelters

It's also interesting how Five Pebbles is defended from the rain, but Moon isn't

Obviously LTTM collapsed so that explains it

But why's it so well protected in the first place

When we've seen the rain decimate through everything else

I guess it can't really pass through material can it

But there's no electrical errors like in LTTM

It's basically an indestructible bastion

And yet something happened

And some disease thing bred in Unfortunate Development

[languid oyster]

[stoic nimbus]

Hunter rain world

[candid briar]

The idea of running a Rain World-inspired ttrpg campaign

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[stoic nimbus]

THERE WILL BE BLOOD
SHED 🏚️

[candid briar]

This was an offhand comment but low-key I could see it

Might ask my group if they're interested once I finish all the campaigns

So in like a year probably lol

[true pilot]

There's been lots of general discussion about it lol

[primal leaf]

imo its a bit difficult to make a ttrpg inspired by a game defined by having 1hp and everything being hyper deadly lol

[candid briar]

Depends

[primal leaf]

ive always had the idea that if you do it its a lot better to play as scavengers instead

[candid briar]

If you're leaning into a dungeon crawl roguelite it's doable

It'd require some lore bending with respawns

[candid briar]

This sounds interesting actually

[primal leaf]

since they usually are seen carrying quite a few items and generally seem to have at least some level of tribal society going on

[candid briar]

Off the top of my head

I feel like if a rain world ttrpg was made it should be full-on dungeon crawling

[primal leaf]

also usually they travel in packs xd

[candid briar]

I feel like scavengers make sense but wouldn't be as cool to play as y'know?

Playing as something with 1hp feels a lot more interesting

[primal leaf]

ok but are you ACTUALLY going to play with 1 hp? i dont think that makes for a enjoyable experience

[candid briar]

Idk the idea of tacticianing around enemies sounds fun

Definitely group/GM dependant though

[primal leaf]

it also influences how you handle death alot when its bound to happen on a diceroll at least like 4 times per player per session

[candid briar]

Doesn't have to be a dice roll

Idk it's definitely weird but feels doable 🤔

[primal leaf]

id honestly restructure away from the RW gameplay loop to something else and at most keep the themes

hmm well if you have some ttrpg experience already you might have or get some ideas to make it work i suppose

[candid briar]

I'll think about it when I finish the game

[stoic nimbus]

I mean a ttrpg with slugcats wouldn't be off the table tbh, slugcats also aren't dumb and could make it so every enemy was a struggle to fight, requiring brains above brawl to succeed

[stoic nimbus]

Eh you can just have slugcats inexplicably come back to life everytime a cycle ends and they are inside shelter, kinda like rain world coop

But if their body is destroyed in any way they can't come back?

[stoic nimbus]

Oh it absolutely does in my opinion

[candid briar]

I think either you have them inexplicably "respawn" and completely ignore the lore implications

Or you make it so being caught by an enemy makes you restrained rather than dead

And you basically have to knock your allies out of the creature's mouth/hands/whatever

[stoic nimbus]

Does Dnd/Pathfinder have such a system?

[languid oyster]

You can do that in the real game already

[candid briar]

Not sure

Never played pathfinder aside from WotR's early game

DND does have a restrained/grappled condition iirc

[stoic nimbus]

Talking with my jrpg loving friend rn

not friend, more like small youtuber i watch tbh

[candid briar]

Idk this was mostly just a sudden idea

I do this a lot probably nothing will come out of it

Though if I did do something it'd probably be a dungeon crawler with the only real "RP" being scavenger encounters

Strength, Mobility and Charisma as the big 3 stats

Different Slugcats probably functioning as classes? Idk how multiclassing or progression would work

Obviously there's room for custom enemies, items, slugcats, etc.

[stoic nimbus]

Tried to talk to him about this, he just made dirty jokes instead of answearing so i wouldn't know about the subject but hey feel free to tell me about it!

[candid briar]

Lmfaooo

[stoic nimbus]

I think you would benefit from playing downpour in terms of slugcat customization

[candid briar]

I'm 100% doing it

Watcher is a maybe

But Downpour is 100%

It's just a matter of when

[stoic nimbus]

yipeeee

[languid oyster]

Watcher will definitely surprise you

[candid briar]

Cutscene time

I seem oddly ghostly

Doesn't make me very optimistic about Survivor's survival

[stoic nimbus]

You got a dream?

What'dya think of it?

[candid briar]

Feels tied into the whole cycle thing

Might be way off but maybe the lights represent other slugcats

/ people who tried to break the cycle before me

[stoic nimbus]

Interesting...

What's your current position btw?

[candid briar]

First Subterranean shelter

Fuck this entire area

Too narrow and too many enemies

[stoic nimbus]

rip, but you'll survive

nothing they have on slugcat

[candid briar]

The only two paths are blocked by two centipedes which refuse to move and are too fast for me to kite

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

Alright I'm just gonna instasleep and hope it shifts up the enemy locations

Cuz I think the sheer amount is borderline impossible for me to get through

So it seems I'm only like 3 rooms away from Filtration System

That was easy

I should try taking new paths more

Well I've been eaten immediately

Better thing to say

What the fuck is this place

[narrow sail]

Always

[candid briar]

THERE ARE NOW THREE ALLIGATORS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SHELTER

[stoic nimbus]

Wat kinds of alligators?

[candid briar]

Blue, cyan, green I believe

[stoic nimbus]

Oh i see i see

[candid briar]

I've found a shelter in filtration but no food yet

[stoic nimbus]

Need yummers asap!

[candid briar]

I'm out of filtration system

Fairly short areas recently

I'M IN DRAINAGE SYSTEM???

Now that I think about it

Maybe it's my fault that I went up when I was supposed to go down

Another cutscene

I seem to be falling

Slugcat is 99% dying

Despite how much I've died Filtration System is actually kinda fun

[narrow sail]

PAC-MAN's worst nightmare

[candid briar]

Depths

This is another mech isn't it

LTTM sunk into the sea, this one sunk way below

Because the ground was presumably unstable due to all the digging (?) for drainage system

"filtration system" makes much more sense as an in-mech building for keeping the AI safe than anything underground-related

[lapis geyser]

[candid briar]

Could be Seven Red Suns

||If it's an area in Downpour then surely it's in-world location is already on the map||

My karma just got maxed out

That won't last long

[stoic nimbus]

Oh my god, you are here

[narrow sail]

Good attitude

[stoic nimbus]

[candid briar]

What in the flying fuck is this place

[lapis geyser]

[stoic nimbus]

Somewhere very deep...

[candid briar]

Better question is how the hell do I progress

That door is way too high

[narrow sail]

Which door

[stoic nimbus]

If you can't get somewhere try alternate paths!

[candid briar]

There's a big room

With three ghosts

[candid briar]

Can't find any

[narrow sail]

remember the

[candid briar]

Unless I can make this fucked up jump

Maybe by boosting hold on

Kinda don't wanna lose my spear but I never know which hand I'm throwing with

This is just straight up a shrine

Who is this dude

[stoic nimbus]

Wat dude?

[candid briar]

Big guy, legs crossed, torches

Y'all I just managed to reach some ghosts with the tip of my tail by doing a backflip I love this game

[stoic nimbus]

Five pebbles did speak about this place, if you can recall his words

[stoic nimbus]

Agreed, this game is peakest peak ever peaked

[wraith bloom]

enthusiastic individuals

[lapis geyser]

Yoga trainers

[candid briar]

Nope but I can Google it

[lapis geyser]

No dont do that

Spoilers

[candid briar]

"where the ancients built their temples and danced their silly rituals"

So before Five Pebbles

[candid briar]

I'm only looking at survivor dialogue

[stoic nimbus]

I'd just have reposted the transcript tbh but yeah...

just don't spoil yourself

by doing that in the future

[candid briar]

Question is why is he sending me here

And what is up with Filtration System

If this isn't SRS, then the question is

What's the Filtration System keeping out

Us, or them?

[stoic nimbus]

That is something you already know, or have a vague idea about knowing (and don't google it pls)

[stoic nimbus]

SRS what's that?

[candid briar]

Seven Red Suns

Idk if that's the name

[narrow sail]

Please don't google dialogue, just ask us to provide the text

[candid briar]

All I know is breaking the cycle

[candid briar]

Why

[narrow sail]

to make absolutely sure you see only what you've seen in-game

[candid briar]

What in the actual fuck

Did i just find

[candid briar]

I'm good at dodging spoilers dw

But what in the actual fuck

[narrow sail]

even the dialogue for the Survivor has two different variants depending on ||which direction you entered from|| so

[candid briar]

Is this slenderman weaver thing

[stoic nimbus]

What happened? what is it what did you see?

[stoic nimbus]

Oh...

Feel free to come up with a nickname for them

[candid briar]

LORD KNOWS I SHOULDN'T DO IT

GO GO GADGET SPEAR THROW

[stoic nimbus]

xD

[candid briar]

They didn't react

Just keeps on weaving

Interesting

[lapis geyser]

I wanna be a weave master make me a weave master. But the weave master did not answer, he just kept on weaving /ref

[stoic nimbus]

lol

[candid briar]

Are these

Jail cells?

[stoic nimbus]

Hmmmmmmm maybe?

[candid briar]

OH

OH I FIGURED IT OUT

The lights that are falling

Every time I see them I think "Where the hell is that light from"

It's the shit from the dream

[stoic nimbus]

Nice interpretation!
Proceed forwards and keep us informed!

[candid briar]

More weavers

This seems oddly like Scavenger toll trees

Could Scavengers be these "ancients"

Idk how much sense that'd make

They look nothing alike weavers

[stoic nimbus]

What do you presume they are doing just standing around there?

[candid briar]

Rituals, presumably

I was going to say perhaps they're not even there and it's just an illusion, a sort of afterimage of the ancients

Like how there's yellow ghosts around

But considering I stabbed one with a spear

That's off

[stoic nimbus]

interesting...

[candid briar]

They seem to be controlling the circle above them, some sort of spell

But what it does is unclear

Oh

Oh that looks familiar

Is this the unfortunate development disease

But how in the world could that get from here to FP

Wait no that was blue

The fuck is this?

Oh

It's drop time

Feels like this is the end

This is the deepest point

And everything is even more distorted

Today's the end it seems

Do I want to make any new theories or is it just time to find out

Hm

[stoic nimbus]

Deeper and deeper...

[candid briar]

I feel like what I've learned today is gonna take way too long to figure out

So I'm just going for it

[wraith bloom]

you didn't kill yourself falling?! what skill...

[stoic nimbus]

Good luck! o7

[stoic nimbus]

That'd just be monument mythos larp

[candid briar]

Music has restarted

[candid briar]

I've learned to cling the walls after five or so deaths of mindlessly diving into pits

[stoic nimbus]

what skill!

[candid briar]

Hey can someone remind me if there were ghosts in FP

I feel like I recall seeing them

[narrow sail]

Ghosts of what sort?

[candid briar]

Yellow floating things

Sometimes trapped in orbs

[narrow sail]

not in Five Pebbles no

[candid briar]

What about the surrounding areas?

Exterior and leg and underhang

[narrow sail]

IIRC no

[candid briar]

Well I think leg/underhang are subareas but whatever

I was gonna say

If colour plays a part into this game's symbolism

Maybe it's not a coincidence LTTM's overseer is yellow

Could be some sort of mechanical hologram recreation of the ghosts

Similar shape and colour

And colour seems very important so far but idk

[stoic nimbus]

I like your words

[candid briar]

Big ass pillar

Part of filtration system, perhaps

Or part of SRS...

[lapis geyser]

How do you know what SRS is anyways

[candid briar]

Did some research on Downpour and Watcher to decide if it's worth buying or not

All I know is that it's one of the AIs

[narrow sail]

again. we could just, like, tell you whatever you wanna know before buying

[candid briar]

No clue which campaign it's from nor what it's like

[candid briar]

Nah it's fine

[lapis geyser]

Given your current exploration you shouldnt know what an SRS is

[narrow sail]

hence the imperative to ask us rather than googling

We wouldn't mention any names at least

[candid briar]

Doesn't really matter to me

If I wasn't theorising that it's SRS I'd theorise that it's another AI mech

Another drop btw

I'm being spaghettified

[stoic nimbus]

I love spaghetti btw

Just ate it yesterday

[candid briar]

Based

I liked it before but it's kinda been lost on me

Not a big pasta fan

Okay so I'm officially off the rocker rn

What the fuck is going on

The entire screen is fucked up and I am moving an inch a second

Oh that's not a platform that's another drop

[languid oyster]

[stoic nimbus]

[languid oyster]

I'm just in time

[candid briar]

Is this

A lake

[lapis geyser]

[candid briar]

Oh it's getting louder

[stoic nimbus]

Certainly looks like it

[narrow sail]

... does it?

[candid briar]

Oh I'm gonna have to dive dow

Down

[stoic nimbus]

Good luck!

[candid briar]

Nothing looks like anything anymore

[wraith bloom]

[stoic nimbus]

[candid briar]

Can I still drown

If I die in the final room that's gonna nuke my immersion

[wraith bloom]

(did you know popcorn is yummy? this is an essential fact to know and cherish)

[lapis geyser]

[candid briar]

I'M SWIMMING INTO THE SUN

[candid briar]

I'm literally eating it rn

[stoic nimbus]

FUCK YEAH

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

I am IN the sun

[stoic nimbus]

[candid briar]

This ain't no damn purpose of life

BIG WAVE OF ENERGY

My discord laggy as shit btw

[candid briar]

Ain't no simulation either

[stoic nimbus]

UNNLIMITEDDD POWWEEEERRRR

[candid briar]

Is this a kraken

No wait

Looks more wormlike

This seems oddly neurological

[languid oyster]

This is where the "all your theories are wrong" came relevant

[candid briar]

Like a bunch of stems and shit

[narrow sail]

... no?

[candid briar]

What does this mean bruh

Oh it's the lights

So they WERE falling down

And now so am I

Am I supposed to just keep swimming

Genuinely how do I progress

[languid oyster]

Only one way to go

[narrow sail]

Are you not already? Cool new area to explore

[candid briar]

I've been holding down for 6 minutes

Okay

I'm under the thing

YO I STILL HAVE MY SPEAR LMFAOOO

I NEED TO SHIV THE KING IN YELLOW

[languid oyster]

I hope you've got headphones on

[candid briar]

I don't unfortunately

My only headphones are wireless and I cba to link them

I assume there's stereo sound here?

[languid oyster]

Every now and then l run into a player that's like "oh l play the game muted"

[candid briar]

😬

[stoic nimbus]

How do you even do that?

[candid briar]

I do this usually

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

Not muted but quieted down

[narrow sail]

Does that affect anything? They at least have audio, they said earlier it was loud.

[candid briar]

I assume it gets louder the closer I am?

I haven't noticed any changes yet though

[languid oyster]

I mean if you have speakers that's fine l just meant in the sense of getting to hear music/atmospherics

[candid briar]

Again this seems oddly biological

[languid oyster]

Some people will just, play and listen to nothing

[candid briar]

Next time this bitch throws me somewhere I shank them

[candid briar]

It depends on the game

Cuz

I play muted when I'm either

1. locked in
2. relaxed

Anything in-between is music on

So rn I'm music on

But when I'm grinding HK or something it's usually music off unless it's just practice

[languid oyster]

Rainworld is like half driven by its ost so it's absolutely a worthwhile game to have audio on always

Anyways l shan't interrupt you further

Enjoy worm spaghetti hell

[candid briar]

Not that I have much to do

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

Idk where I'm going

Are these

The ghosts?

[stoic nimbus]

Of what?

[candid briar]

If I quit rn does it throw me back to Filtration

[candid briar]

The yellow things

I've found around the map

[stoic nimbus]

Yeah

[candid briar]

Okay low-key can someone just tell me where to go idk if I'm even making progress

Everything looks the same

[stoic nimbus]

Do you have something important to do in a few minutes?

[languid oyster]

What are you seeing presently?

[stoic nimbus]

like fr

[languid oyster]

So l can know the stage of the process you're at

[candid briar]

Bunch of worms throwing me around

I'm at about the same layer as the balls of light

[languid oyster]

Just keep down

[candid briar]

Not quite

[candid briar]

I did but then I slammed into an invisible wall

I think?

[languid oyster]

You have to break through

[candid briar]

Oh FFS I would've never figured that out

[narrow sail]

I mean. you have no other option

[narrow sail]

Not an invisible wall, just a passing worm

[stoic nimbus]

xD

[candid briar]

Huh?

[narrow sail]

as in yeah you're getting thrown around by the worms and you might've misinterpreted that as an invisible wall

[candid briar]

Oh no I just didn't realise I was moving

The layer of lights didn't really change for a while

[narrow sail]

oh

yeah you are

[candid briar]

Bet

My beloved

"Keep going down/up"

I knew it'd never fail me

[narrow sail]

(also. you kinda need sound in Rain World for gameplay reasons, too)

[candid briar]

Oh I see the particles now

The lights are like cells, the worm is like a brain

Okay so I don't like that thunder sound

Who in the world is this

Well I've grabbed onto them

[languid oyster]

That'll be Jerry

[candid briar]

Take me home

[languid oyster]

[stoic nimbus]

[candid briar]

Oh I'm being full on spaghettified

Well they left me in space

HUUUUH?

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH??????

The fuck were these devs smoking during this ending

Mad respects

[languid oyster]

[stoic nimbus]

Very alone even...

[languid oyster]

This exact question has been asked before

[narrow sail]

also didn't Joar get malaria at some point during development

Rain World was made under fairly extreme circumstances

[languid oyster]

Truly a game made by a malaria ridden mind

[wraith bloom]

rain world's ending certainly provokes feelings

[narrow sail]

(which probably helps solidify the themes and stuff yeah)

[candid briar]

I've been holding down for ages

How deep is this fucking lake

[stoic nimbus]

Wiah what? Malaria? omg

are they on a tropical country?

[stoic nimbus]

Don't worry, you'll find your way

[languid oyster]

He travelled a lot during development

[languid oyster]

Do you see anything else in the void with you?

[candid briar]

Yes

Well

I'm with me

[narrow sail]

other than you

[wraith bloom]

they do call it depths, don't you ever do your research?

[candid briar]

And a bunch of mes

[languid oyster]

Other than your clones

[candid briar]

True ..

[candid briar]

Nope

[narrow sail]

and the level designer broke their wrist at some point late in development

[languid oyster]

Observe, and you will find a direction

[stoic nimbus]

I heard only a single guy designed all levels ingame

[narrow sail]

yeah

(in vanilla, anyways)

that same person also did the entire vanilla soundtrack

[languid oyster]

Yeah, that was james primate (guy from my screenshot)

[narrow sail]

it was mostly two people

[languid oyster]

Did the rooms and the music, and joar was the original brainchild

[narrow sail]

James doing map design / music, Joar doing all of the code

[candid briar]

I don't know what this means bruh

[languid oyster]

Joar had the concept, the programming, and did creature design

[languid oyster]

|| the light ||

[lapis geyser]

It brought you down as far as was needed

[stoic nimbus]

Wait eeally? jeeezzzz

[candid briar]

I suck at noticing stuff 💔

Y'know maybe that explains why I am seemingly incapable of hitting a correct theory

[candid briar]

Oh that is coming from above

Dude do I gotta backtrack all the way

[stoic nimbus]

I mean your theories aren't so bad

[languid oyster]

Hey, maybe one of yours are correct and we didn't tell you

[stoic nimbus]

It's okay to miss

[languid oyster]

When you beat survivor... it'll only be the tip of the iceberg

[candid briar]

I don't!!!

Oh that's loud

Cutscene time

[wraith bloom]

you're out here making sense of things

[narrow sail]

also there was something about doing development in a slowly flooding basement once

[candid briar]

The fuck kinda Macbeth ass game is this bruh

[wraith bloom]

huh

[narrow sail]

Yeah, I do wonder how that affected things

[candid briar]

DON'T CRY LITTLE SURVIVOR I'M PROUD OF YOU

Is that it

[lapis geyser]

RW has some hella development lore

[candid briar]

THAT'S IT?????

TELL ME MORE WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT

ASCENSION????

I ASCENDED????

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

[narrow sail]

you have left this world behind

[languid oyster]

Tos, welcome to the 11%!

[candid briar]

Well

[languid oyster]

Congratulations

[narrow sail]

Welcome to the top 11% of Rain World players!

[wraith bloom]

yeah i think i already know the answer to that...

[wraith bloom]

LMAO

[candid briar]

I have no words

But I do have a gif

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[wraith bloom]

yeah that's probably how things go

[languid oyster]

Time to refund this game

[stoic nimbus]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[narrow sail]

Yeah did you ever refund the game

[candid briar]

Never did

HK and Celeste have taught me persistence

[stoic nimbus]

Would you refund it now if you had the chance?

[candid briar]

But Rain World taught me that sometimes game developers do just truly want to see me suffer

[candid briar]

Absolutely not

[languid oyster]

As a special treat would you now like to hear the speedrun world record for survivor?

[candid briar]

I think I bought it at sale for like 12,5?

[candid briar]

Absolutely not I'm not going to TOUCH speedrunning

[languid oyster]

Does ut scare you to learn

[candid briar]

I'm gonna assume the route is Outskirts -> Industrial -> Chimney -> Climb to FP -> passage to Outskirts -> straight line forward

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

True

What is it

[languid oyster]

|| about twelve minutes ||

[candid briar]

Bruh

[narrow sail]

I assume the any% has glitches to get to the Lake early

[candid briar]

Well

12,5 for all of this

And I still have Hunter

[narrow sail]

Good luck

[wraith bloom]

of course

[narrow sail]

Well, theories on what happened?

[languid oyster]

The wr uses an exploit to farm symbols quickly, but other than that it's purely legging it as fast as possible

[candid briar]

I don't fucking know man

[languid oyster]

And some very thought out routing

[candid briar]

The fuck was that brain thing

Anyway

I know 100%, for a fact I'm not gonna go on a fetch quest for all the Echoes and pearls

Is it worth it to read that dialogue rn or do I wait until Hunter

Considering it's available in Survivor might make more sense to do it now

[narrow sail]

definitely wait until Hunter

since you might have an opportunity to do that stuff there

[candid briar]

Maybe but I kind of don't really want to

[languid oyster]

There's a lot of questions you have about the game that we all know paragraphs of answers for.

This is not one of em.

[candid briar]

Echoes require backtracking and so do pearls

[candid briar]

That's interesting

[candid briar]

So I doubt it's gonna be an "on the way" type of thing

[languid oyster]

They'll still be there in future slugcats

[narrow sail]

well like
maybe not all of it
but the chances of you stumbling across one are not insignificant

[languid oyster]

You will have ample opportunity to chip away bit by bit without too much hassle

[languid warren]

congrats

[candid briar]

I guess

[narrow sail]

it could be

especially for echoes

[candid briar]

The only two echoes I know of so far is the one up on chimney canopy (which takes like five years to climb fuck that area)

And one in I believe Farm Arrays?

[narrow sail]

And for pearls, you might be able to work one or two into your plans without backtracking

[languid oyster]

Since they are unique independent stories, some slugcats can have gameplay loops that make it easier to do certain side goals

[candid briar]

Okay I wanna see opening Hunter cutscene

And then by the time I actually play Hunter I'll decide

THERE'S NO CUTSCENE????

I'M IN FARM ARRAYS???

This has gotta wait I'm afraid

I should probably switch up the title and flairs

Or tags or whatever

[languid oyster]

Thrown right into the action

[narrow sail]

also it's probably best to do the Hunter's campaign while still being mostly blind to vanilla lore
there's an argument for that in MSC since MSC is a mod, but not for Hunter

[candid briar]

I have not refunded this game

I don't think I can

Should I make a new thread for the Hunter playthrough

[languid oyster]

If you want to

Not mandatory

If/when you enable any dlcs you will have to make new threads though, in their respective forum topics

[candid briar]

Why the fuck do I have a neuron in my hand

Who the hell did I rob

[languid oyster]

Seems important

[candid briar]

This game feels oddly like

Hinduistic? Is that the word

Karma, cycles, ascension

[languid oyster]

Buddhist

[candid briar]

Very reminiscent of nirvana

[candid briar]

Right, thanks

Hindu is the language

And probably something else

[narrow sail]

the in-game language isn't any real one but it's korean-inspired

[languid oyster]

It is a direct allegory for buddhism and the samsara; craft theories to your delight on what this could mean for the lore

[wraith bloom]

good luck

if you decide to play hunter

i can confidently say it's quite a step up in difficulty

[candid briar]

Definitely will

Definitely will

[languid oyster]

It's a fun campaign

Hard, but not as uber hell as a lot of its reputation says it is

[candid briar]

Can't say I'm very familiar with buddhism

Wait

This means I was partially correct by theorising this is about the purpose of life

[languid oyster]

You'll get whiplash from the challenge upscale from survivor though

[candid briar]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-bigfellerjake-skippe-space-i-think-gif-26908844

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

Damn

Survivor took me 22 hours

21-22

[languid oyster]

I doubt any future campaign will take you that long. Asterisk .

[candid briar]

I can't even remember what I theorised anynore

[candid briar]

Yeah TBF knowing the map is a huge help

No more wandering around chimney canopy

[languid oyster]

Surv is when you're at your blindest, scaredest and most lost

[narrow sail]

knowing anything is a huge help

that's why we're so strict about spoilers

[languid oyster]

The new campaigns will add significant new features, obstacles and sights to behold sure, BUT at least you now have a general sense of understanding of this world

[narrow sail]

now that you know how all the different ecosystems work you'll have a much easier time surviving in them

[candid briar]

Glad to hear all that

So to revisit my previous ideas

"Purpose of life" seems to be at least partially true

Definitely not a simulation after seeing God and ascending

I doubt any scientist could fake that

I'm still interested in what exactly the implications of a cycle are

Specifically about respawning

[languid oyster]

And the implications of the rain

[candid briar]

With all the ghosts, the fact karma has a real-world effect

[candid briar]

TRUEEE I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

What's up with the world itself, how did it get like this

The ancients hiding underground

Might imply that the rain has been here for a long time

And that it's not actually the result of any catastrophe

[languid oyster]

[narrow sail]

[candid briar]

I have no clue what Watcher is about except that the world is thrice the size it's supposed to be

I assume the DLCs are gonna have more information on the ancients though

Why was downpour 34% off on GOG but 35% off on steam lmaooo

If spring sale is the same as winter I think I'm gonna buy downpour then

And probably watcher for the summer?

Until then I guess I start Hunting tomorrow

And after that maybe I play Monk just for a chill little exploration playthrough

And see if there's anything unique to it

[narrow sail]

there is

though not a lot

so it might not be worth it

[languid oyster]

Downpour ought to be played before watcher anyways

Not mandatory, but just for sake of experience

You will be gradually and linearly introduced to more complex mechanics and concepts via dp

Whereas playing watcher right after vanilla can be like piloting a jet after learning to ride a bike

[narrow sail]

Watcher assumes you've played MSC in terms of learning mechanics

[languid oyster]

I think it's worth it the chill exploration element, and being convenient for doing sidequests in a safer environment. It's also not lengthy to get through with prior surv knowledge and the "waste of time" would be a short one

[narrow sail]

Well, yeah. But it's not strictly necessary.

[candid briar]

I meant then time-wise rather than choosing between downpour/watcher

Anyway

I mentioned before the technology/nature contrast

I guess the ending and the ancients introduced a more magical component

And to be fair they all seem to be interlinked

[candid briar]

Well magic has been a thing for a while

But the ending turned it up 800x

[candid briar]

Seeing the ending kinda made it all click for me

Like it feels out of left field but in retrospect I feel like someone more familiar with buddhism would catch on

All the cycle/karma stuff makes sense now

Though I still do wonder what the in-lore implications are

[candid briar]

I need to go through Sky Islands fuck my stupid chud life

I need to get this pearl read

But I also need to carry the neuron

And only one of those can be in my stomach at a time

Maybe I just spit the pearl out in some shelter and come back later

I'm NGL this seems like such a hassle

But at the same time I feel like I'm not supposed to know the message yet but it's gonna be important

So I think I'm just gonna drop it and then when I get to Moon I'm gonna Google it

Cuz I'm not good enough to keep it

[languid warren]

i would try first at least before googling

[candid briar]

Absolutely not

Not if I have to suffer through Sky Islands

Technically I could try to get through the scavenger toll without paying

[lapis geyser]

I would still try before googling

Doesnt have to be this run

But a run when your more comfortable

[languid oyster]

There's always a way

[candid briar]

Unfortunately I'm too invested into the story to wait that long

Best case scenario I pick up two passages along the way

And get it that way

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

The pearl is now safe and secure in the first shelter

(I reset this game like 8 times already on account of death chaining and losing all my karma)

[candid briar]

The person who invented mid-room screen changes ought to be exiled

[true pilot]

Tbh I'm used to it and like it now

[primal leaf]

i think thats called stockholm syndrome

[candid briar]

I'm dropping this game to play the rest of my steam library until I regain bravery

That's what happened for Survivor so I'm not shocked I'm doing the same for Hunter

Also the concept of losing karma for dying reminds me of that one meme about "the deer is evil for being weak"

Also the concept of losing karma for dying reminds me of that one meme about "the deer is evil for being weak"

[languid oyster]

See you again soon then

[candid briar]

Unfortunately my stupid chud life requires this "rest of my steam library" to be LATEGAME CELESTE

[candid briar]

It's time to theorise

Specifically about the west side of the map

I see two possibilities here

1. Just like LTTM, the west side was part of a bigger structure that collapsed and fell down, but rather than crashing into the sea it basically formed a giant crater that eventually got grown over due to wind and such

This means that Filtration System and the areas above it were either first made with the same intention as FP and LTTM, or they were simply some technological structure, perhaps a base for scientists where they researched the ancients

This would also explain why Filtration System has no karma gates despite being a filtration system

[candid briar]

Low-key got distracted and forgot I said this

2. The Filtration System was meant to keep something from the Depths out. Going off Rain World's style and lore I'd assume this to be partially symbolical: while searching for the "end of a cycle" (purpose of life, if my interpretation is correct), they walled off the ancients and their techniques to rely on technology (Five Pebbles, Moon) instead.

I think the implications of karma gates are interesting

I'm not sure if they're even canonical

Because if they were that'd kind of go against everything I know about the scientists and the ancients

I'm also interested in the Weavers

They seem to be keeping some sort of spell up

And I did notice that I don't actually need FP's karma boost to progress through any karma gate

Which makes me wonder what point is the "cutoff" for FPless karma

The latest it can be is the lake

Though I don't think it makes much sense to reach that point before FP

So I think whatever the cutoff is it's before the distortion becomes more than a slight visual effect

And the weavers do have the X symbol on their heads representing maximum karma

So I feel like it may be Filtration System

And that's where it gets its' namesake from

Like a double meaning

It used to be some sort of vent system, but now it filters out those without enough karma

So I'm gonna assume getting there before FP has some sort of barrier at some point

[languid oyster]

Intriguing ideas

[candid briar]

Side note before I continue I checked out Monsoon but my attention span is too fried to function

I feel like it's a bit too complex to truly emulate what Rain World feels like

I made sure not to read anything deeper than mechanics so I wouldn't be spoiled for my upcoming campaigns

Though I did zone out at one point and find out the rain is literally just steam

I'm gonna assume that's from one of the pearls so I would've found that out eventually going off my promise of not even bothering with those and just googling them

Kind of underwhelming really

Though it does tie into the themes quite well

By building a superstructure to find out how to break the cycle they messed with nature quite severely, doing basically the opposite of what they should've done

I really enjoy these nature vs technology themes and I like how magic ties into it all

I wouldn't really say it's as simple as "technology bad, nature good"

More like a criticism of allowing technology to live our lives instead of us

Perhaps a criticism of hubris and obsession as well

It all depends on who the ancients were

But from what I know right now they didn't seem to be quite sound of mind

FP dismisses it as "silly dances and rituals" but taking into account what I actually saw down there they were straight up obsessed with that damn lake

So I feel like part of the message is to just sort of life your life

Perhaps a bit hedonistic theming

To me it seems implied that neither the ancients nor the scientists truly understood ascension

Mostly because they based their entire lives on attempting to achieve it, the ancients building shrines and the scientists building superstructures, they're really the exact same just potentially thousands of years apart

I'm trying to word a thought here

I feel like the family is also a piece of symbolism

So two ideas here

1. The family represents ascension, with Survivor being separated from them due to the rain caused by the superstructures. Basically technology and the current system of the world making it harder to "break the cycle".

2. The family represents a core value of community and a feeling of brothership if that makes sense, a value, feeling and system destroyed when one figure is put in the centre of many, basically saying that the ancients and scientists put all their faith into someone else to achieve their goals rather than themselves (the ancients presumably worshipped the weavers if the statues are anything to go off of, and the scientists 'worshipped' the Iterators)

When I say scientists I'm usually talking about that generation of people in general

I feel like that's everything I have to say for now

When I come back I'll beat Hunter, read all the pearls and try to get a grip on the story before moving on to Downpour

[candid briar]

Holy yap what is this guy on about

Unemployed activities

[candid briar]

It's time. Next shelter has been reached

I am no longer at lowest karma

I died immediately

[candid briar]

I ragequit after straight up walking off a platform but after a very nice Slay The Spire run I'm ready to make a few more attempts

Ay fuck you mean Cycle 17

[languid oyster]

[candid briar]

Nevermind ragequit again

Sky Islands is actually perhaps the worst game design I've ever seen

Not even Putrified Ducts made me this mad

They made the water level actually fun so they had to make a new rage inducing level to replace it

[languid oyster]

Wth is putrified ducts

Anyways, you can always take an alternate route

[candid briar]

Not particularly keen on backtracking though ig I could always restart

[candid briar]

Worst area in Silksog

[languid oyster]

If you don't wish to backtrack then experiment, there are always mechanics available for a given terrain

[viscid otter]

holly molly

tis game is not for the weak

this game is for the peaks

i love every part of rain world

[candid briar]

There's a difference between level design being difficult and just plain bad

I love all other aspects of the game but the level design is honestly up there with the worst I've ever seen in a game like this

[viscid otter]

the songs, the back grounds, the unique leveling us systems, the ai's that kills you. the atention to details like how their's shadow of vultures . the other npc's ai where you can ||taim them , friend monkeys or get killed, how you can non verbally talk to the demi god of the world .|| and more on that, and how absulute peak the lore and story of rain world is. reain world is with the peaks like under tell series, portal and half life series, uptra kill and more

[wraith bloom]

there's at least one room in sky islands i know that's honestly horribly designed but i think i overall enjoy sky islands

[candid briar]

Undertale

The thing with RW level design is that it constantly punishes you but never rewards you

So when I play well it doesn't feel like I'm actually making any meaningful progress it just feels like I'm finally able to play the game

[viscid otter]

welll

[viscid otter]

let me explain why

[candid briar]

Sky Islands is a narrow area with difficult platforming where most mistakes get you instantly killed, the shelters are placed horribly, enemies can sometimes just straight up block the path

And sure you can sit there and bait them away

[viscid otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1471584583609880589/1471895659127898306/textbox.gif?ex=69909927&is=698f47a7&hm=faebfd4494cae7fe925a46b929fc38c15211fbbbfa6c533567c7d5f0ea12fbd6&

[candid briar]

But you're on a time limit because there's 4 other enemies on screen slowly walking around and destined to spot you

Sky Islands feels like something I'd see in HK or Ori

[wraith bloom]

oneshot textbox??

[candid briar]

And not something I'd see when I have zero mid-air correction and when a simple press to the right can send me back to the start

Chimney Canopy has all of these issues asw

Shoreline is fine but some places are horribly designed on account of needing extremely precise travel while you're on a time limit due to the breath meter

Pick a struggle bruh either you want pixel perfect inputs or you want me to go quick

So far Industrial Complex has been the most sane area I think

Industrial Complex, Shoreline, Outskirts and Filtration System are the only places I've truly enjoyed

[wraith bloom]

valid issues, i don't know what to say as i've grown to enjoy pitfalls but that could just be stockholm syndrome lmao

[wraith bloom]

...filtration?

interesting pick

[candid briar]

Filtration has its' issues

Notably sometimes enemies kind of just sit there and do nothing

And you're just sort of forced to wait until they decide to do something

But honestly I really liked the maze

[viscid otter]

never reqards you?? hell yearr it does. and i am here to look at every single back ground in the room. to listen to the musics. kill all the vultures, scavs, lizards. and experiance the lore my self. and even though i know of the endings which are really emotional. i still want to witness them with my own game play. you mentioned the rain being evol. well when i realised i was just... dasd... i was really sad that how crull the poor creature died in. and it's my fault for liking the game. i am just saying how i like my pan cakes and how i drink my chocy milk. where you might just hate chocy milk and think waffels are better. but trust me pan cakes are batter. and i am being absulute biest because i am niko

[candid briar]

Incomprehensible

[viscid otter]

you will kinda need some spoilers . if you feel that way too much. and it's aight to feel that way

[candid briar]

Time to theorise about Hunter

I'm being led by the blue overseer rather than the yellow one which is very very interesting

Considering I'm holding a neuron I feel like I'm either meant to deliver it or eat it

But delivery would make most sense for LTTM

But the blue overseer implies I'm being led to FP first

Cycles are counting down which is kind of stressful

Hopefully there's no karma gates here

Or at the very least they're lowered

Because if they aren't I ain't gonna lie I'm finding some mod to do it

I'll code it myself if I need to

Lord knows I will not be able to uphold a high karma here

[viscid otter]

buddy i was just hopping out side of my hibernation chamber, and sikee the lizard killed me in no moment. i didn't even hade weapons and hade no way to know about the lizaed. and you know what i don't hate the game

because it's just how i like my ice cream

[viscid otter]

dude honestly.... i don't care about carma

my goal is to find gates and hivernation chambers

when i find them i eat food and get to enough karma to move to the nect place

[candid briar]

Hunter starting in farm arrays is interesting

And the map implies I came from Subterranean

Which leaves the question of where he found the pearl

Neuron*

Pearl too I guess

[viscid otter]

awa awa it seems like you has allota experiance with the game

mann i only visited hand full of places

[candid briar]

One might take this to be further proof of my theory that the west part of the map is another iterator

[languid warren]

if this is your first playthrough i'd recommend not documenting here about it and your experiences

[viscid otter]

oh

uhh

ok

[candid briar]

Actually

[viscid otter]

i don't really know what you mean by thagt but sure

[candid briar]

Why do the cycles count down

[viscid otter]

it's a spoiler

[candid briar]

That's rhetorical

[languid warren]

like it's best to make your own thread and talk about your playthrough

[viscid otter]

you may use youtube knowledge. or you may find out the hard way

[viscid otter]

i see