Old Watcher FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[gaunt crag]

50% chance a new player gon go the wrong way

[lucid seal]

i hope in the future it has importance

[gaunt crag]

yea

[lucid seal]

because as it is rn it feels

[gaunt crag]

useless

platforming

[lucid seal]

like it had a purpose but now it's like the right side of outskirts

[prisma linden]

I struggled with OR a lot on my traversal but funnily it was for the most unorthodox reason

[gaunt crag]

yea

[prisma linden]

It was the SCAVS

[gaunt crag]

lmao

tbf same kinda

[lucid seal]

i love the scavs so much

[prisma linden]

I died so much to aggressive scavs

[gaunt crag]

i finally got past all these platforming only to die do a scav

[prisma linden]

They had very little counterplay

[gaunt crag]

and then i gave up

[lucid seal]

please enlightened scav in watcher

[gaunt crag]

and looked online on OR

[lucid seal]

okay, this i understand im lucky my rep was at max

[gaunt crag]

which i usually dont want to do but at that point i was so done with watcher

[lucid seal]

explosive shield

[prisma linden]

The blind ones? Immune to your invisibility. The sighted ones? They'll see the mud on you from the fountain room

[gaunt crag]

singularity bomb

just gotta somehow find one

[prisma linden]

Idk why l got such aggressive templars with RNG

They behaved like arti scavs

[lucid seal]

real

[prisma linden]

Despite my normie scav rep being decent

[gaunt crag]

and if i had a singularity bomb i'd rather use it on the loaches in desolate tract just so i can say i killed one

or the rot loaches

[prisma linden]

Watcher scavs continued being evil and declining my trades for the duration of the playthrough until at long last l got Chieftain via normal scavs, only then were they pacified

[gaunt crag]

real

i think the watch scav still had arti ptsd

[lucid seal]

or they're angry they have to be in outer rim

[gaunt crag]

honestly if i was a scav in outer rim i would prob also be pretty pissed

[lucid seal]

stinky rot

[gaunt crag]

imagine having to live off o rotcorn and rotfruit

[lucid seal]

i still see them in rotted regions too

[gaunt crag]

yea

idk why they didn't just leave

oh right cuz pebsi never unlocked outer expanse did he

cuz this is watcher not downpour

and now everywhere's blocked off by rot

and the scavs are basically trapped

poor guys

[lucid seal]

i barely saw them in OR after the rot spread but then they stay in infected regions??

[gaunt crag]

they can't really go anywhere tho

[lucid seal]

that's a good theory actually

[gaunt crag]

yea the rot blocked all exits

yknow i kinda wanna explore the rotted version of other base game regions

fallen tramway + corrupted labyrinth(rot subterranean + filtration)

and i wonder what the rotted depth would look like cuz we know the void does not like rot

[prisma linden]

It might happen in the future content, who knows

[gaunt crag]

that would be hype

cant wait to play inv sky island but as watcher

[prisma linden]

A lot of tidbits have already been discovered

Thanks to data miners finding stuff in code dormant on standby

[gaunt crag]

oh damn

[gaunt crag]

where can i find such info

[prisma linden]

If you're curious, || #watcher-lore message ||

There's some of the pieces of info we've found about || the apparent third npc ||

|| it's believed to be the speaker of the monologue from the trailer, which we still hadn't identified the origin of ||

[lucid seal]

uraniumeater also has a video about it if you'd like to watch it

were you two part of the arg stuff?

[prisma linden]

And, || according to code the spinning top encounter in the bath room is slated to trigger a warp too ||

|| and the warp leads to the tall room in depths. ||

[lucid seal]

WHAT

THAT'S CRAZY

[prisma linden]

Something that there's no info or leaks on but that is my own educated guess is that we'll see more of pebbles again

My motivation being that one of the arg keywords was Strange Reverberation

Do you know what the synonym of that is

[lucid seal]

yeah, the giant rot worm definitely feels like it has more to it too, especially with the sound effects being like a... strange reverberation

[lucid seal]

me when the pulse is erratic

[gaunt crag]

woah

[gaunt crag]

no way 5 pebbles in third ending

[prisma linden]

3 pebbles in fifth ending

[gaunt crag]

real

[keen oyster]

Do we get to tell people they missed the toy room echo dialogue if they went around to the void bath first
Cause its like really easy to do that and you have to replay the entire damn game to see it

Well they didnt miss it BUT in the event that happens cause its really easy to miss it completely lol

[lucid seal]

i would say so, with how there's no way to get it back through normal gameplay

without resetting

i almost missed it myself because i thought the echo would teleport me elsewhere when i heard it, and i still wanted to explore AU

[keen oyster]

Also because I did exactly that LMAO

I skipped the entire damn room and saw the cutscene first

Imagine my confusion at the room and my surprise at there being fuckign dialogue

They made it way too easy to completely miss that

[prisma linden]

Well the toy echo isn't very essential though right

Gives a lotta helpful context for sure but at least isn't detrimental

Me, I'm more upset at how few people ever get to meet the God Sausage echo

Best echo encounter

[lucid seal]

I didn't either

[lucid seal]

i would think it's essential because otherwise, randomly getting toys in a room they haven't seen before is pretty confusing

the context is understanding the ending in a way which is pretty important at least to me

[prisma linden]

I can compare it to spearmaster 5P's dialogue l think

It's something with very heavy gifting of context that is only obtainable by making a chance decision in your playthrough and may be very easy to miss irreversibly

But that the campaign still flows without

[gaunt crag]

huh

[prisma linden]

Have you never got it??

Or at least read it on wiki

[gaunt crag]

also SRS told me to go thre first

[gaunt crag]

wait which one is it

i might know it im nnot sure tho

[prisma linden]

Yeah which is sucky game design

[gaunt crag]

yea

[gaunt crag]

which one is it

[prisma linden]

Yeahyeahyeah I'll fetch it

[gaunt crag]

ok

[prisma linden]

OAOA! How is it then?

To be an animal.

Or are you still?

...

No. Not after all this time, and distance.

A small god.

TINY.

A godlet!

But still can be eaten! OAOAOA!

A tasty little god sausage! OAOAOAOAOAOA!

[gaunt crag]

wait what lmao

where was that

[prisma linden]

Dialogues aren't region specific, they play out in a set order

Wiki says this one plays on encounters 9 to 13, but l feel that's wrong

[gaunt crag]

huh

[prisma linden]

I did every echo site

[gaunt crag]

bro how did i not get that

[prisma linden]

This did NOT repeat five times

[gaunt crag]

i did the necessary one + turbulent pump

[prisma linden]

It played on encounters 12 to 13 I'm almost guaranteeing

[prisma linden]

Yeah so you did nine then

[gaunt crag]

at turbulant pump OAOA just said ... and i thought theres no more dialogue

[gaunt crag]

no

10

[prisma linden]

It's 8 necessary ones

[gaunt crag]

oh wait oops

yea 9

[prisma linden]

You start at ripple 1

1 + 8 is max ripple

[gaunt crag]

yknow i wouldve kept exploring for more echoes if i knew there were new dialogue 😭

[lucid seal]

me too

[gaunt crag]

but no i gotta be hit with a ... after max karma dont i

[lucid seal]

they ignored me so i thought i was done

[gaunt crag]

so true

[lucid seal]

i didnt even realize it removed your lowest karma levels

[gaunt crag]

damn

i noticed after lile 5 or 6 encounters and a cold storage visit

[covert totem]

Late. But this interaction had me laughing for ten minutes straight when I ran into it

If the dialogues aren't specific, then according to my documentation it'd be... yeah 12/13 (I got all but one option so we doing another playthrough to find it)

[gaunt crag]

uhhhh

[coarse egret]

there is not any way besides complete campaign restart

[gaunt crag]

yea but is it spoiler to tell him

cuz he might just restart the campaign cuz he dont know second ending

i think ima let him find out after second ending

[keen oyster]

Watcher having completely permanent region-affecting shit feels so
So out of place

Like why

[coarse egret]

probably just unfinished lol

[keen oyster]

Why is it permanent and why does it purely make things harder
They shouldve delayed the dlc dammnnnn

[gaunt crag]

ikkkkkk

[keen oyster]

Im still salty over my first playthrough
Nothing beats the first impression even if later updates fix things

Go big or go home
They went home

[gaunt crag]

real

[harsh tusk]

oh well

[strong gust]

Idk how else it could’ve been tbh
It’s like global lineaging :3

[lethal fossil]

I dunno... I personally like regions rotting

It's like hunter's sicknenss but less severe and more slow

[harsh tusk]

I find the rotted regions less fun and interesting than their original counterparts once the novelty runs out

[coarse egret]

makes sense in-lore, since the rot's ultimate purpose is to homogenise everything

[prisma linden]

"Imagine: a single substrate..."

[gaunt crag]

yea but it still sucks

[gaunt crag]

OAOAOAOA OA OA OA OAOAOAOA OA OA OA OAOA

[lucid seal]

you've been OAOAing a lot lately

are you secretly spinning top

[gaunt crag]

mmmmmmm

MMMMMMMMM

no :3

[gaunt crag]

say that sentence

with the spaces

[prisma linden]

I want everyone to know he did this with his feet

[lucid seal]

i like your new seal pfp

[prisma linden]

Doing a matching pfp event with my partner for their birthday

[gaunt crag]

huh

[prisma linden]

He modified and programmed an ordinary scale to be able to transmit inputs into rainworld, and he delivers inputs by putting pressure with his weight at specific angles

[gaunt crag]

ok then

[gray charm]

hey gang I haven't touched the DLC since like last month because I had to lock in on assignments can anyone remind me what keys I need to press to make a portal thingie

I forgor </3

[lethal fossil]

Up + special. Also btw this chat is full of spoilers 👻

[gray charm]

yeah sorry I just didn't know where to ask

[lethal fossil]

If you wanna go unspoiled you gotta create a post in #1342915289595248701

[gray charm]

gotcha

[gaunt crag]

watcher lore

[lucid seal]

they're all the right colors too

[gaunt crag]

exactly

[twin lark]

alright watcher guidelines chat

it's my turn to request guidance

||heading northeast through shaded (i'm trying to see what moon looks like,) there are piles of seemingly impassable proto purple rot with no real place to set up movement tech that I don't even know to get by. I can't get the right angle to try attacking it and I don't even think it could be realistically killed. am I just stuck out of shoreline from this entrance, is there another way, or is this actually passable?||

that's an intimidating wall of spoiler text

new development: ||sacrificing a hamster appeared to let me by the first pile, will continue tests||

ignore all that, i made it far enough to see that it was pointless

[lethal fossil]

Hello! You gotta create a post in #1342915289595248701 this chat in fact is full of spoilers

[twin lark]

oh my GOSH

my eyesight sucks. i was trying to find a channel like that and after a while assumed this one was it

resigned myself to just outright ignore everything i saw here

thankj you

[gaunt crag]

lmao

watcher water watcher spoiler stuff blah blah blah

[twin lark]

exactly

[lyric harness]

#1385456536293474344 message daemon spoilers in first message

and goodbye

[lethal fossil]

💥

[winter peak]

yknow what if we just made the repost thing happen automatically to remove the issue entirely

[lethal fossil]

The silly reacts on the posts tho also the forums would look rather depressing if each post is just "message deleted"

[lyric harness]

(also i forgot to leave this thread oops

)

[gaunt crag]

lol

[narrow scroll]

How does this thread relate to #1270823904247546017?

Is it just to prevent helpers from getting Watcher spoilers?

[wary garden]

Yea

[keen oyster]

Ye

[covert totem]

Umm... I'm not sure I can help this person here as it's not my area of expertise. They're asking for a specific answer

[lucid seal]

i can try answering later

there's some information about rot lizards and their stages on the wiki

[covert totem]

I didn't quite find anything specifically answering that question on the wiki

[coarse egret]

rot stage of the lizard is determined by the ID and how rotted the spawn room is

there are no other factors involved

reference:

• columns: last digit of the ID
• rows: rot infection spread stage
• colour: stage of infection (none at Yellow, Full at Red)

as you can see from here, there's a good 30% chance that a Lizard would never get any Rot beyond Slight

[lucid seal]

that's a cool mechanic for it

so there won't ever be a ton of just fully rotted lizards

[lucid seal]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1389219342037811200 outer rim spoilers in first image and title

has been there for a few hours now

[keen oyster]

Well about that.... :p

[cobalt tusk]

[keen oyster]

Remind me to bring this up later

[lilac lotus]

[covert totem]

[lucid seal]

[keen oyster]

Someone got ending 1 without having seen UE or OR it looks like
Interesting

[covert totem]

Must've not used any bad warps

[keen oyster]

Ye mayb

They just spotted the UE portal in Badlands

If theyre gonna reach it is another problem entirely with its stupid placement lol

[lucid seal]

i wish it showed up as a connection as easily in cold storage as it does in badlands

[narrow scroll]

In Cold Storage it's easy to find and hard to see on the map. In the Badlands it's the other way around.

Though TBH I personally think it's kinda lame that warp points can show up early like that...

(although the Badlands -> Five Pebbles warp did make my first playthrough significantly more interesting, so I can't complain)

[keen oyster]

I got to the UE exit before the patch fixed it so I got sent to Sunlit Port instead lol

[lucid seal]

outer rim?? no, it's sunlit port

[keen oyster]

[narrow scroll]

[lucid seal]

i don't like it much either

especially with how some portals can appear early on the region's map while not even discovering the room it's in yet

[narrow scroll]

maybe I should add a warp marker remover to QoD

keep the map, delete the markers

[lucid seal]

it's really ironic how they were added as a qol update

[narrow scroll]

Shouldn't be too hard. They were added in an updat- yeah

[lucid seal]

snailed

[narrow scroll]

QoD will slowly and systematically undo every QoL change in every update to the game

I LEVELLED UP WITH THAT MESSAGE

[lucid seal]

[lucid seal]

old barnacles...

[narrow scroll]

maybe I should make the map not save on death too

[narrow scroll]

What were old barnacles?

[lucid seal]

broken unfortunate evolution portal

[lucid seal]

those annoying things in coral caves

[narrow scroll]

(I'm not going to do that, that doesn't make sense from a lore standpoint)

[narrow scroll]

yeah but what did the update do to them

[lucid seal]

their shells can be removed

other than that i'm not sure

[narrow scroll]

Oh, was that not a thing before?

[keen oyster]

They camped pipes and didnt move

[narrow scroll]

Don't they still do that

[keen oyster]

Only with grenades

[keen oyster]

Idk apparently they tried fixing it I havent played since they did that

[narrow scroll]

well I mean they still camp

that's kinda their whole thing...

[keen oyster]

Uhhh I think they gave you a little resistance to their shocks also if you kept getting shocked by them

[narrow scroll]

ah that's smart

[keen oyster]

Damn tenor

[narrow scroll]

(another thing for QoD to remove, perhaps )

[narrow scroll]

I have. I suppose they're probably less impassable than they could be?

Though them being a roadblock is good

that's kinda the whole point

[keen oyster]

They made snails be able to pop theri shells with the update

[narrow scroll]

oh that's a good idea

(never tried that)

[lucid seal]

unfortunately only ever useful in coral caves

[narrow scroll]

I like those creatures

From a game design perspective. Obviously they're horrible to encounter but that's by design so it's a good design

They're a roadblock, but they can't actually harm you, so they don't pressure you to find a way around them quickly.

But to make up for it, they're really difficult to move.

it slows you down, makes you think a bit

[lucid seal]

i do like that they have usefulness in water

though i didn't figure that out because of how they block everything on land

that's definitely a better way of viewing them though, as of so far i've just seen bad perception on them

the one thing I don't like is when they block tight crawl spaces or places i can't hit them with rocks or spears

[narrow scroll]

Hey, relatedly

wait hold on Downpour spoilers are allowed here right

[keen oyster]

Uhh
Maybe

[coarse egret]

generally allowed but discouraged

[narrow scroll]

OK uh.

[winter peak]

I have personally never thought twice about downpour spoilers here

[coarse egret]

i'd recommend tagging them either way, just in case someone plays Watcher before Downpour

as time goes on, this becomes a larger proportion of players

[narrow scroll]

this is the Coordination Thread, though

although I suppose there are currently two coordination threads

[winter peak]

we can always make it three :evil:

modded first playthrough coordination

no vanilla, downpour, or watcher content

only modded content

[narrow scroll]

modded spoiler rules are awkward because nobody's played all the mods

you can't cleanly divide the modded community into has played / has not played like you can with official game content

therefore I doubt a Modded Coordination Thread would work well.

[winter peak]

honestly the best way for something like that to work would just be for the mod creators themselves to post little masterposts for how to help people in their mod within the thread

like

If player is lost in X Area

• ||they need to go in this direction||
• || they need to go to X area||

but that would never happen

[harsh tusk]

i can only really see a sort of megathread working where people post their specific questions like "what do i do here (i have X mod)" instead of it being a full playthrough thing

[winter peak]

that's really just #modded-gameplay

[prisma linden]

They still camp but it's significantly less bad than previously

They're more migratory now

Spend less time in a single spot before they decide to move around

And, punting them with rocks will more reliably make em move a little out the way

[keen oyster]

Love when I used to be able to punt the barnacles with rocks and they didnt move an inch cuz they kept trying to go towards the other barnacles and I get blocked out of a path that has a shelter and die

:D

[covert totem]

Same here I'm not sure whether trilobites or barnacles are worse though

[prisma linden]

Trilobites?

Ohh, yeah, refers to rattlers probably ..

Close tie

[winter peak]

Im gonna just start asking people that are going into ending 2 if they wanna know how to get it straight up or want to figure it out

I think the amount of obfuscation surrounding it is more than the average player would expect, so they should be made aware of that going in

and make the active choice to partake

[keen oyster]

Tru

[pastel jackal]

does watcher change base game campaigns in any way?
I'd assume it adds some msc content but idk for sure

[prisma linden]

Afaik it adds shelter failures

It also gives monk back the coloured pearls

[coarse egret]

These are also added by MSC, so either MSC or Watcher:

• Precycles are enabled.
• Scavengers/Dropbugs can have gooieducks or glow weed.
• Scavenger spear throw force is lowered, which only makes the exit velocity lower.
• Monk has coloured pearls.
• Combat skills of Scavengers are lowered compared to their normal value, depending on how low dominance is.
• Scavengers' FastReactionCheck(), building up fast reflex and then checking whether it's high enough, used for checking melee, reacting to flying weapons, and parrying flying weapons, no longer calls ReactionCheck() to build up reflex build up.
• ReactionCheck() itself, called when trying to throw from midrange, has been buffed in how much reflex build up is gained per call.
• basically there's a lot of number changes that surround Scavengers
  These apply regardless:
• A bunch of savedata gets stored on items changed in Watcher e.g. Spears, so savefile size will be larger and possibly slightly longer loading time due to that.
• A bunch of rooms are added to HI that contribute to global room indexing, so anything that uses the room index to seed randomisation will appear differently.
  This applies to MSC only:
• The Hydroponics shelter is not set as an invalid spawn location for Slugpups, so the Watcher de facto lowers the Slugpup spawning chance in HI.

I may have missed some of course

[pastel jackal]

thanks

[ashen dew]

First-playthrough

If it's your first playthrough and you want to avoid spoilers, you should make a thread in #1269808032276152451 (the base game with disabled DLC's), #1272670046434492426 (if the More Slugcats Expansion is enabled in the Remix menu) or #1342915289595248701 (if The Watcher campaign is currently being documented), where you can get help on your playthrough.

• The More Slugcats Expansion changes significant parts of the base game, so even if you're playing a base game campaign, you must make a thread in #1272670046434492426 or disable the Expansion if you want to document in #1269808032276152451.
• This applies to The Watcher DLC (can also be enabled in the Remix menu) too as it adds some content from the More Slugcats Expansion besides the new slugcat campaign, The Watcher. If you're playing a base game campaign, you must make a thread in #1272670046434492426 or disable the DLC if you want to document in #1269808032276152451.. Playthroughs of The Watcher campaign itself can be documented in #1342915289595248701.
• Remember that other people are on their first playthroughs there too, and may not be as far ahead in the game. For your initial forum post, avoid putting spoiler content in your thread's title, description and image. Use spoiler tags ||like this|| to make ||this||. After the thread has been created, you don't have to worry about using spoiler tags.

[pastel jackal]

Hello everyone, if you see a new player, you can use the /autorespond command and then type First-playthrough to show this message. The message will be updating so it may look differently than the one above, but it will still have the same name

[unique turret]

beat me to it 🐌

[narrow scroll]

cooooooooooooool

[analog belfry]

Sending a message here so this thread stays open for me

[lucid seal]

[covert totem]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1397298535568773150 could someone who knows more about this bug help this person out please?

It's the portal in UE issue

[lucid seal]

might get better help in #1019653041982537879

the only things i can suggest are disabling and renabling watcher

and maybe getting mergefix

[coarse egret]

note it's the exact same issue as The paths overflow beyond measure, just manifested when trying to cross an existing dynamic warp point rather than going through a player-generated one

some unknown mod breaks BuildTokenCache, so disable mods and toggle the Watcher off and then on again

[covert totem]

Ohh, ok, tyty

[prisma linden]

#1388151004733640815 message

Wh- excuse me?

How?

What are they doing in a rotregion?

They're on ripple 1

[lilac lotus]

My best guess would be warping so much with the regular portals that they eventually ended up in one. So I guess a lot of back and forth warping?

[prisma linden]

Ohhhh

Warp exhaustion

[lilac lotus]

Since it seems you can warp more on higher ripple levels before warp exhaustion kicks in, it makes sense it would kick in pretty quickly

[prisma linden]

I was losing my mind l forgot that was one way to enter em

It'd NEVER happened to me ingame

[lilac lotus]

Same here

It is an interesting mechanic, though, I enjoy it

(even though I haven't really ever dealt with it)

[prisma linden]

I'd never mistreat poor watcher like that

[lilac lotus]

I do wish it was still even a passive thing on max ripple, but it basically never happens then.
I remember traversing like 8 regions in one cycle and getting barely any purple on my invisibility bar at all, lol

But ah well. It's not too important, really

[lucid seal]

the warp exhaustion freaked me out too much when i first encountered it i never found out what it did

i wish the same though, it really never happens at higher ripple levels

[marble carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198096217473822821/1357071138026557622/caption.gif

God you know how badly I want cas to see this but I can't because soilers

[winter peak]

what tier do people get random warp at, again?

[coarse egret]

public bool CanSpawnDynamicWarpPoints => maxRippleLevel >= 2f;

so 2 meetings post-initial warp

also the point at which you can unlock the second Throne room

[winter peak]

.... which symbol is that at tho

the third one, right?

[coarse egret]

yeah third ripple level

[keen oyster]

What sort of hint do I give someone stuck in the Throne with too-little karma unlocked to flower warp

[lilac lotus]

Kinda unsure, actually. Would a shrimple "maybe come back later" do?

And perhaps more guidance depending on how much help they appear to need

[keen oyster]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1388151004733640815 This person likes to experiment a lot with occasional help from what I remember so
I already gave a hint but that was before I noticed their karma level. So. Uhh

I kinda forgor you can get there early

[winter peak]

there's a portal to leave, shouldnt need anything more than "explore the places you have not been™" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen oyster]

They think theyre stuck in the Throne

Like physically cant backtrack

[lucid seal]

may just be best to directly say to come back there later

if the purpose doesn't seem obvious right now

[lilac lotus]

Ah, then point them to the east to the anti-softlock portal?

[winter peak]

they can always just Die right

[lilac lotus]

Just tell them to explore more of Outer Rim

[lucid seal]

yeah

[keen oyster]

They think they have to do smth with the flowers and rot or smth rn

[lucid seal]

it's a good place to keep in mind for the future but for now they should explore elsewhere

[lilac lotus]

NEVERMIND

[keen oyster]

The hint I gave them previously was smth about that one flower room not always being open but, that was before I saw their karma level so it doesnt really apply anymore
They did partially take it as paths opening but eh

[lilac lotus]

They have a new plan

They're going back east! They'll try to go past where they entered, and then very likely find the way out in the process!

Well, I think that went pretty well

[keen oyster]

[keen oyster]

Why does Fetid jsut casually have rot spawns

[lilac lotus]

I think Fetid Glen is a world that exists just generally closer on the firnges of reality, or maybe whatever happened to make the Salination-esque part also messed with the stability?

[lucid seal]

even has the particles and everything

[lilac lotus]

Fetid Glen is so intriguing..

[lucid seal]

i got so scared when i saw rot lizards but just assumed it was already a rotted region, i only noticed it wasn't from other peoples playthroughs

[keen oyster]

I understand places like Cold Storage having them despite not traditionally having the "rot" border
But Fetid. The upper regions specifically.

[lilac lotus]

Plus a lobe tree in one room

It's intentional

[keen oyster]

The entire rest of the region doesnt have rot spawns but the upper air-y rooms have 6

[lilac lotus]

It's kinda dark, but here's the lobe tree

And the general area, so it's also part of the rotten section

[lucid seal]

the mini lobe trees always look so yucky

so many mushrooms around it though

lobe trees = drugs??

[lilac lotus]

Oh, good point!

[keen oyster]

No other region does this (unless if we wanna count Cold Storage but I think CS explains itself)

Its very deliberately the upper part of FG

Trivia learned

[lilac lotus]

I remember you mentioned a part of Fetid Glen and I immediately blasted you with walls of text and images and pure infodumping and probably scared you away

(Sorry about that, if it was overwhelming)

[keen oyster]

[lilac lotus]

Found it #1358134880449331211 message

[lucid seal]

i remember that

was fun to read through

[lilac lotus]

Fetid Glen lore fascinates me...

The region just in general fascinates me

[keen oyster]

I hate FG with a passion

[lilac lotus]

One of my favourites, though I find it funny how divisive it is

[lucid seal]

it's a cool region, just poorly implemented i feel like

[lilac lotus]

I did suggest Basilisks not affecting you through walls to Kaeporo, but he basically said something like "I feel like Basilisks are a'ight now"

[lucid seal]

evil invisible mushrooms and evil stinky lizards

[lilac lotus]

Though of course, those messages are gone now, because Kaeporo

[lucid seal]

do they still poison you even when tamed?

wait which ones are which again

[lilac lotus]

Unsure, I think I've seen indication of time-slowdown and poison being separate though, so there's that

[lucid seal]

okay yeah basilisks are the brown ones

[lilac lotus]

Taming one does still seem like a bad idea though

[harsh tusk]

well yeah he shipped them into the game as is

[harsh tusk]

they (used) to be able to softlock you

I think they've been changed but i havent went back to check myself

[lucid seal]

yeah, i heard that about blizzards and basilisks before it was i think changed

haven't tested it out either though

i don't think i've tamed any new watcher lizards really

[harsh tusk]

the less i interact with those two the better

the indigo lizards are cool though. they can now paint you when tamed

[lilac lotus]

Indigo lizards are cool!
Sad that they only give you one bit of paint at a time rather than infinitely like usual, but it still works!

Oh, another Fetid Glen thing I wanted to mention: Kaeporo also said the region consists of the scent of Pledge® pH Balanced Multisurface Cleaner Spray Fresh Citrus

It's canon, it's true

[lucid seal]

let me guess those messages got blasted too

[lilac lotus]

Yep!

And to respect the tradition, this one too!

This is the power of Pledge® pH Balanced Multisurface Cleaner Spray Fresh Citrus

[lucid seal]

do you guys think i should suggest to the op to add the fact they're playing as artificer more directly in their post title?
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1387388130990227476

i was going to, but then i read their first post title message saying there's spoilers for all of rain world, so now i'm not quite sure anymore

[lilac lotus]

Uhh, idk either

[lucid seal]

[lilac lotus]

Still no idea

[lucid seal]

it's such a specific predicament

[lilac lotus]

Well, it does seem pretty clear that it's a spoiler about everything

Specificament (why am I like this)

[lucid seal]

because on one hand it's playing as not watcher, but on the other hand, they've made it obvious there's other rain world spoilers

[lucid seal]

that's a funny word actually

[lilac lotus]

And she's still playing Watcher's campaign after all

[lucid seal]

i like fun words

[lilac lotus]

Me too! (that's why I'm like this, I remember now )

But yeah, it might be fine.

Other felpers could have other perspectives, but I'd just leave this to them anyway

[lucid seal]

felper council please help

[lilac lotus]

Not like it's an immediate issue anyway

[lucid seal]

true

[lilac lotus]

Just something that's there

[raw gazelle]

Found the Watcher FP Guide channel.

[lilac lotus]

Welcome! 👋

[raw gazelle]

Thank ya.

[winter peak]

it's pretty quiet

[raw gazelle]

Should get more active as more people play the DLC.

[winter peak]

will certainly geta bump upon console release

[covert totem]

I feel like this warrants a here

[lucid seal]

[coarse egret]

this is a very common observation pre-Watcher

[raw gazelle]

[lilac lotus]

I'm surprised I never really made the connection before Watcher. Though I did have passing thoughts about "hey, both have X!", nothing much came from it, which I'm... impressed by.

As observant (Watchful) as I am, I'm also quite oblivious somethimes

But anyway,

Proud of her for seeing the connection already!! Incredible Watching

[raw gazelle]

Oooohhh.

Wait, that means that the key to ascention was with us all along.

It was...

Rustic bread.

Seriously though, there are crosses in a lot of places. True, crosses appear in the Ascension symbol as well as the rot, but they're far from the only spots we can see crosses in. I guess I also didn't make the connection since I've seen crosses in many different contexts and didn't think much of it.

[coarse egret]

It definitely got popularised by Watcher, but Rot as a sort of thematic fool's substitute for Ascension was a thing pre-Watcher. I know DragonPropaganda said similar things to that effect, at least

[raw gazelle]

I'll say though, it did strike me as odd when I saw the roots/rot tendrols on the window in the Prince's room in the form of the ascension symbol.

I didn't know if this rot was related to ascension or if I was just imagining things.

[lucid seal]

i never really thought much about it either. like, i noticed, but the connection entirely left my brain in watcher

oblivious together

[lucid seal]

the entire way up the throne has the karma symbol build up until max karma in prince's room, which is definitely unique

usually it's just the five urges we see in iterators so it was definitely an interesting detail

[covert totem]

I noticed that immediately and was very initially confused by it

[prisma linden]

I didn't know the x symbolism for rot as a nega-ascension or pseudo ascension was only more popular recently, l just took it as the status quo

A "temple/shrine" of rot showing off karmas 6-10 is a very interesting mirror to the temple/shrine of ascension showing off karmas 1-5 and l hope it'll give us more bearing to finding out if they have individual identities

[lilac lotus]

Hmm... maybe we should say something like "the process might not be as automatic as you think" as a hint

That's the best I can think of

[lucid seal]

you gave good hints

i thought the same thing too initially because it really does feel like it spreads without watcher having to go through warps

[prisma linden]

The prologue leads to a lot of firstplayers thinking that the echo makes the rot spread and is the antagonist of the campaign

[raw gazelle]

When I had to do the second ending, the spread of the rot was not very intuitive for me. I thought it spread on its own, but never quite realized I had to go through portals to spread it myself.

Though maybe that was just me not paying proper attention.

[covert totem]

I'd basically forgotten about the echo flash, but thinking about it, I always saw it as a "ST knows what happened to Watcher, and knows every strand before you even start"

I also thought it spread by itself initially, but by the third portal through the throne room I figured it out

[raw gazelle]

I mean, I learned that me going through the portals was that spread the infection, but one thing I didn't realize was that not all rooms in an infected region count towards infection. Even if a region shows as infected in the global map, you still have to use a portal in a room that has been completely rotten in order for the infection to spread through.

[prisma linden]

The main and rapid way to do it is through selfwarps tbf

You can stand in any highly rotted room and open up a rift

[raw gazelle]

Yeah, although it is tricky to nail an infection in the later stages when only a couple of areas remain. At that point you might wanna do it the opposite way. Pop open a portal in the area you wish to infect, then see if it leads to a highly infected region. Then all you gotta do is do a return trip back to the first area to ensure a targetted infection.

[coarse egret]

not completely, just either of the 4 progression stages

[coarse egret]

after witnessing the very last Prince dialogue before the ending, a manual warp created in a rotted room is guaranteed to go to an infectable region if possible

[raw gazelle]

Oh, I see. That makes it a little easier.

[lucid seal]

wait really

that's quite interesting actually

[lucid seal]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1405258174080225432 ending spoilers

[sterile atlas]

wait a minute its safe to join the watcher fp thread now...

[sterile atlas]

#1389291957708128436 message
Bro is playing watcher as saint

[raw gazelle]

I thought they said they finished Saint within a week.

Maybe they purchased Watcher and are playing it currently?

[raw gazelle]

Nevermind.

[raw gazelle]

That might actually be a bug.

Or a new exploit for the movement fanatics.

[prisma linden]

Oh I'm pretty sure this glitch is known

Getting evaporated from existence if your raindeer is eaten by grass

Or something

[rapid river]

is that even possible (unless you need to put the raindeer like so low for the grass to eat it)

[raw gazelle]

They ascended a raindeer as saint and held onto the antlers as the body was eaten by the grass.

Seems like it's possible that way, at least.

[prisma linden]

Raindeer also have that glitch when you grab a sporepuff they're mid eating

Don't remewhat it did but it did something trippy

[sterile atlas]

theres also whatever the hell this is [saint spoilers for those who somehow havent played saint befor watcher]
#1360140192295686314 message

[prisma linden]

Rainworld space program

[sterile atlas]

Yeah but that's not rain deer

[raw gazelle]

Or Spearmaster squidcadas.

[narrow scroll]

wh- wha-

Is that real movement?

[winter peak]

it's 3 rivulets

[narrow scroll]

Oh

[winter peak]

real tech, yes

but coop tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824027398948782180/1264785632061034516/CoopFly.gif

coop techs are awesome

[sterile atlas]

Rise

[lucid seal]

fly my slugcat

[prisma linden]

3 rivulets? As in that gif has 3 of em holding each other or

Scugs have collision so they can't be standing over one another looking as one

[prisma linden]

If a player's gone into and abandoned ancient urban thinking they explored it fully and it's a dead-end (most likely the fault of the big grid room) is it ok to nudge them to return there

[lilac lotus]

Maybe? Depends on the particular predicament, as most things like that. Probably best to ask them if they seem to be particularly confused about where to go.

Although, hopefully that won't be an issue for long, since I think Fishnoid said they've removed the flower and reworked the "sewer puzzle room" (probably the big grid one) for the next update.

But yeah, best to ask of course! Probably even more so if they feel aimless and confused (and also don't appear to like being aimless and confused).

[winter peak]

if they are expressing confusion or are generally lost on what to do next, yea

if they're having fun exploring still, I'd just wait and see what they do personally

[lilac lotus]

Actually think I found the thread in question, and they seem to be doing fine. Still, as a general thing, this exactly!
(the above messages I mean)

[coarse egret]

.add_autoresponse overflow-beyond-measure Paths overflow beyond measure indicates that the game has failed to cache which dynamic targets of Warp Points exist, which is typically caused by a mod breaking the token cache generation process.
To fix it:

• Disable all mods to ensure that there are no broken ones.
• In a separate pass, turn off the Watcher to ensure the cache gets cleared.
• Re-generate the cache by turning the Watcher on again.

[ashen dew]

Successfully added/updated Overflow-beyond-measure. Here's a preview of what it looks like:

Overflow-beyond-measure

Paths overflow beyond measure indicates that the game has failed to cache which dynamic targets of Warp Points exist, which is typically caused by a mod breaking the token cache generation process.
To fix it:

• Disable all mods to ensure that there are no broken ones.
• In a separate pass, turn off the Watcher to ensure the cache gets cleared.
• Re-generate the cache by turning the Watcher on again.

[raw gazelle]

Teaching Sprinkles a new trick?

[coarse egret]

anyway you now have a new autoresponse if someone has the issue :peanutbutter:

[lucid seal]

going to test this on gobbler since he still has the same issue

[sterile atlas]

#1381715173693460520 message
uhhh is that a watcher soiler

[coarse egret]

yes

[covert totem]

What was it?

[sterile atlas]

Cas was spawning things with the dev tools and happened against one of those giant green orbs

[covert totem]

Ohhhh

[raw gazelle]

The dev console commands did a soiler on Cas.

[lucid seal]

does anyone have any suggestions on how to say in a spoiler free way that the second ending (as it is right now) is kind of laborious?

i was wondering if it would be worth incorporating that into responses when people get the echo ending, because i do know not everyone wants to rot regions for a few hours

or at least post prince meeting

[winter peak]

I'd just say that pretty much ¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's tedious- there's no way to sugarcoat that without just being poetic and cryptic

which isnt that helpful

[lucid seal]

that's very true

[rapid river]

i hope this doesnt count as spoilers in some unholy way 🙏

ok ill just do this

[sterile atlas]

I think it does
Imo

Though tbf I haven't done much watcher felping

[rapid river]

cant use rot as in brainrot or something anymore,,,,,, /slily /j

[sterile atlas]

Oh

Yeah those screenshots don't give much context

[rapid river]

its my intro message

[sterile atlas]

"washer" lol

In stark contrast with my watcher thread "Watching the Lizards Old Game Plus watcher thread in 1018 (messages) KFC"

[lucid seal]

honestly if you feel unsure about it, then it's probably better to edit it out anyway

my wifi immediately went out as soon as i sent that i don't think it agrees

oh i've been wondering other than endings if there are any suggestions on what else should be pinned in watcher threads, especially now that we have an increased limit

[rapid river]

uh ohhhhh

(this is in dp fp post BUT thats washer)

what do i do in this situation?

[strong gust]

I guess let them find out for themselves and eventually when they ask why they couldnt find them then say they're exclusive to a certain DLC campaign

they got watcher spoiler blocked idk how that wasnt a hint

[rapid river]

[rapid river]

fair, if i will be up at that time whenever will it happen x)

[keen oyster]

[sterile atlas]

Delete and tell them to repost in the watcher forum????

[lucid seal]

they don't know it's from watcher

[lucid seal]

i'd silently delete it anyway

just in case people who haven't played watcher end up backreading

[rapid river]

id warn them though

[lucid seal]

since they got automodded the first time, i'd recommend bringing that up

since this is technically a bypass

that's all the ideas i have though

[lyric harness]

#1401035275978670100 message five pebbles spoilers in title

okay bye

[prisma linden]

Is watcher also bound by Nothing Past Outskirts?

[sterile atlas]

Probably

Who knows someone might play watcher before survivor

Via the campaign unlock cheat

I seen people play inv before survivor

[lyric harness]

yeah

also i thought i unfollowed this

[lucid seal]

you are stuck here, forever

[lyric harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1405353123622551582/1405354443955900647/8470595.gif

[prisma linden]

Stuck in soiltcher

We're gonna write paragraphs about your missing region

[sterile atlas]

you are stuck in a cycle, a repeating pattern

[lucid seal]

you want a way out. know that this does not make you special, every living thing shares that same frustration

[keen oyster]

from the microbes in the processing strata to me, who am, if you excuse me, godlike in comparison

[raw gazelle]

The good news first. In a way, we are what you are searching for. Me and my kind have as our purpose to solve that very oscillating claustrophobia in the chests of you and countless others. A strange charity - you the unknowing recipient, we the reluctant gift. The noble benefactors? Gone.

[lilac lotus]

The bad news is that no definitive solution has been found. And every moment the equipment erodes to a new state of decay. I can't help you collectively, or individually. I can't even help myself.

[covert totem]

For you though, there is another way. The old path. Go to the west past the Farm Arrays, and then down where the land fissures, as deep as you can reach, where the ancients built their temples and danced their silly rituals.

[prisma linden]

Yes, help yourself. They are not edible.

[lyric harness]

i would like to inform you all that sol just left outer rim and is distancing as far away from it as possible

and the rot cyst in the throne is one visit away from exploding

okay bye

but fr

[lucid seal]

incredible

[analog belfry]

inedible

[covert totem]

incredible

[sterile atlas]

guess he will be back for a surprise....

[rapid river]

#1409240730928676915 message
@sterile atlas tell me what was the washer spoiler

[sterile atlas]

spinning top

[rapid river]

oh

[sterile atlas]

#1409240730928676915 message
Uhh does this count as watcher spoiler

It's the main menu screen in the thumbnail

Technically it has a bit of rot in the pipe and small moths

[lilac lotus]

Feels a bit spoilery to me too, though I'm no expert

[sterile atlas]

I'd be more willing to allow it in a watcher thread

But it's a downpour thread

[lilac lotus]

Yeah, the menu art may be a bit much (reveals some things + is cool to see when starting watcher)

Plus, it does technically link to a video that I assume specifically talks about watcher stuff... maybe

[sterile atlas]

I haven't watched it

Wait...
Pun not intended

[lilac lotus]

Skimmed through, some spoilery mods and mod thumbnails shown off in the mod list at some point

Anyway, I'd say it's better to be safe in this case

But that's just my view on it

My view... which I got from my... Watching... 👀

[sterile atlas]

Thx pizza

[coarse egret]

it's literally the first thing you see after launching the game with Watcher enabled lol

[sterile atlas]

Yeah

[coarse egret]

i don’t think it makes sense to care for it, even though it has Watcher creatures, you still will see it before launching the campaign itself

[sterile atlas]

That's true

[lilac lotus]

True, but it's also locked behind having Watcher, which could be slightly problematic in a Downpour thread

Not really a big deal, but definitely still something that I'm sure some people out there wouldn't want spoiled for them.

In a watcher thread, though? No real issue with it, imo

That's how I see it, at least

[covert totem]

The ending lock screen, however...

[keen oyster]

That relies on you owning the dlc, firstly
Plus uts in a Downpour thread
Slightly problematic for consolers and people who dont have the dlc

[coarse egret]

how would it be problematic, if they will still see the exact same screen if they get the DLC before any of the actual content?

anyway a comparison is the Downpour main menu screen which is currently pretty much widely accepted as being fine in vanilla channels (it also shows an electric spear )

[prisma linden]

We should outlaw posting of the game main menu as the main menu is spoiling/backseating

[raw gazelle]

We should outlaw the use of the word "Outlaw" because it spoils the existence of the Outlaw passage.

But yeah, I don't think the existence of moths is a particularly big spoiler, considering they're pretty much in the main menu screen.

You probably see a moth before you even see The Watcher.

As for the rot.
There's already rot in vanilla. If you got The Watcher, it's very unlikely that you've never seen rot before in any shape or form.

[lucid seal]

not to mention seeing the watcher main menu screen when i first enabled the dlc had me excited for a good 10-20 minutes

it's unlike any of the other dlc screens

personally i think there needs to be a discussion on main menu screens/campaign art screenshots

they have been allowed but they are not spoiler free and ingame art is something people can look forward to

[covert totem]

Personally, I think after a couple months being out on console, it should be acceptable, but right now I wouldn't consider it as such

[keen oyster]

Downpour has been out for a few years so that main menu being shown is pretty normal at this point
Watcher isnt even out on console for another couple dayss and its main menu art is. Spoilery with some stuff some players would prefer to stay blind to until they get it themselves

I think

Id rather just stay safe, some people can be especially picky in seeing spoilers until they see it for themselves
Like me, depending on how excited I am for the game

[keen oyster]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1420813602348077137 Just putting this here for when I get to playing after classes end

[rapid river]

me in 5 years

to play wahser

[keen oyster]

lol

[lucid seal]

by the way if any of you (felpers included!!) notice any threads that have spoilers in the title or starting message, and want to avoid being spoiled by opening a thread, feel free to ping me in this thread with a link to the post that needs to be blasted

i know many of the felpers won't want to look at forums for awhile to avoid spoilers

[umbral saffron]

I feel bad applying the FP policy on watcher posts, but that is a vulture mask https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1420976176129904650

(in intro message image.)

[lucid seal]

i'll just ask them to for now

hopefully they'll remove it 🥹

if there's no response within a few hours anyone can feel free to 💥

[keen oyster]

Imma type this out here too cuz it seems important:
Whatever causes it, items get completely deleted in shelters upon sleeping. Key Item Tracking seems to mitigate this very slightly by ending up duplicating whatever it deems as an important item
Just from my testing so far

[lucid seal]

that's weird i haven't had anything happen relating to items

well, key items

i have had a creature disappear several times 🥹

was it a specific region or a specifc shelter causing this issue or is it just random??

[prisma linden]

I've not had this issue so far

I've harboured assorted rocks and spears and a white porl or two I've not had any despawn the next cycle, yet

And eggbug eggs

Still have not slept in shelter with a live animal but l doubt it'd be an exception

[keen oyster]

After some point it jsut happened to every shelter I slept in

Not sure exactly when the cutoff was tho

[prisma linden]

Did you try out any of the monkey business yet like file verifying or reinstalling

[keen oyster]

Yea

[prisma linden]

How odd

Do stomach items stay safe

[keen oyster]

Yea

Generally it seems like the whole world gets sorta "reset" every cycle Ive noticed, after a point

Food respawns immediately, spears dislodge from walls immediately, etc

[prisma linden]

Oh that's weird that's like some memory leak

Does the cycle counter behave normal

[keen oyster]

Uhhhh

Hm

I think its been stuck at 57 for some time now...

[lucid seal]

that's really weird

yeah mine has been fine, key items have been fine too

[keen oyster]

No it just chaged to 58 just fine

Hm

[prisma linden]

It's gonna change to 56

Watcher will attain a mysterious salmon colour

[keen oyster]

[lucid seal]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1356305506569814026 shouldn't this be repost blasted 🥹 (very old post so no 1.5 spoils)

[umbral saffron]

If it's old, I don't think it's really necessary, and most spoilers are pretty far in the text.

[keen oyster]

I feel kinda bad when people ping felpers for help when barely any of us can actually help because we're doing this for the first time too xd

[sonic violet]

We need to shut down the server for another 3 days

[rapid river]

i have now nearly more washer theads than dp i think

[nova acorn]

I'm currently trying to find the ||weaver|| in ||rusted wrecks||.|| I think I've searched everywhere and still can't find him. The only two times I've ever seen the weaver were both in shattered terrace. But I cannot enter shattered terrace through daemon. Also whenever I try to down special ability into shattered terrace, it sends me to a random location. ||Any tips?

[lucid seal]

you can make a post in #1342915289595248701 for any questions you might have and others will help you there

this thread is not spoiler free

[nova acorn]

ooh I see

[sonic violet]

Reminder that in case someone asks, the Watcher character sandbox token (to try something in the Arena / Sandbox) is on ||the right side of Outer Rim||

[rapid river]

how did you guys skip that one 🥹
#1421780309061406720 message
(ive already 💥'd it)

[coarse egret]

1.5 creature name question:
||What are the most common names you have seen for the big locust-repelling Sky Whale variant in Fractured Gateways? wikiful data gathering :leditoroverload:||

[rapid river]

not much i am seeing

||stink whale||, ||sky whale 2||, im also suprised no one called it ||locust whales||

[keen oyster]

I think I just called them ||dirty whales cuz they looked dirtier than sky whales lmao||

[rapid river]

if i were to call it, i would call it ||locust whale||

[keen oyster]

||I think that makes the most sense given what it does yea||

[lucid seal]

||i've seen a few call them brown whales too||

[marble carbon]

dude i'm a little scared of how cas is going to react to watcher

because it's so big

[lucid seal]

cas is going to be playing watcher for a year 🥹

[keen oyster]

Lmao

With how thorough she is and how weird Watcher is in its progression and traveling,, Gonna be here a while

[marble carbon]

and the fact that there are multiple permanent decisions that she is gonna make that she wants to find all options

[keen oyster]

Ive heard ||you can get locked out of one of the endings past a certain point||

||And replaying the entire campaign is. Tedious. As much as I love RW the way this dlc has gone is not one of my favs for replay value||

[prisma linden]

|| fortunately it's not one that's fun/desirable to do, and is entirely optional in terms of procedures like unlocking the final ending business ||

[keen oyster]

||Yea. That one sucks||

[keen oyster]

https://x.com/RainWorldGame/status/1973430560128385420

Rain World: The Watcher 🌙 (@RainWorldGame)

tune into a stream with Saren on oct 3 for more details. ⛈️ @TeamSanshee

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X · Oct 1, 2025, 4:51 PM

[coarse egret]

can I say that 1.5 spoilers are fine in this thread

surely fpelpers have already had a bunch of experience fpelping with 1.5 already

not going with a formal poll here, just a standard Request For Comment

[lucid seal]

actually no at least from what ive seen

personally i haven't even seen like far in 1.5 content and a lot of felpers haven't even finished 1.5 either

[keen oyster]

No

Its been a week and no patches are out yet give us a minute damn /lh

[lucid seal]

literally my ancient urban is broken and i refuse to play until it's fixed 🥹

[keen oyster]

Same

My current goal is exploring stuff and I cant exactly do that when rifts soft-crash

[lucid seal]

my pipe connections broke and au just refuses to screen transition

[winter peak]

nuh uh, spoiler tagging should remain for now

also i finished my playthrough

?role kalumrw +first playthrough h

[bold parrot]

Updated the roles for kalumrw, +First Playthrough Helpers.

[lucid seal]

welcome new helper!!

[keen oyster]

I would be veri upset if we already stopped doing spoilers
It hasnt even been marginally close to a month yet

[prisma linden]

Many felpers are still deep in the sauce

Or biding time for a patch

[covert totem]

[covert totem]

In a couple hours if this person doesn't respond can someone explode the title please https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1424510932868010064

[lucid seal]

it should be removed anyway

not server appropriate

💥

[covert totem]

You're so right🥹

[lucid seal]

do you want me to take care of it

nevermind

[covert totem]

I just replaced it with [spoilers] because I have no clue how else to fix that

[lucid seal]

just give them a warning for the content honestly

[sterile atlas]

just putting my own names for stuff here...
indigo lizor - paint lizard
blizard lizor - blizor
rot lizard - lizard long legs (i usually call them rot ilzards but i love the LLL name)
scav templar/disciple - shield scav
drill crab - crashers

[prisma linden]

Names l used in my playthroughs:

Indigo lizard - Gila monster
|| Peach lizard - Diplocaulus ||
Scavenger templar - Scavenger shaman
Scavenger disciple - Scavenger acolyte
Tardigrade - Nudibranch
Loach - Moon Dog, Globster, Fatberg
Bone shaker - Polyp
Pomegranate - Cantaloupe

[rapid river]

i have one singular name and its from 1.5, but its an item:
||griffiti bomb - paint bucket||

[winter peak]

oh yeah, I have one

||peach lizard - sherbet lizard||

[keen oyster]

||I named them boomerang lizards cause they looked like boomerangs ||

I might have to completwly repost the list with the 1.5 stuff once I encounter all of them
Unless someone else wants to track Watcher creature names

[rapid river]

what about item names

[keen oyster]

Idk any of the actual names yet lol
Still waiting for a patch

Akupara plz

[coarse egret]

to quote james:

Creatures are called whatever you want them to be called! You're a slugcat, do what you want 😎
Except for the shaded citadel spider horrors, they're called "Coalescipedes", because [ping redacted]

[keen oyster]

[wraith creek]

I called ||peach lizards raspberry lizards||, idr any of the old ones and haven't finished 1.5 lol

[marble carbon]

wait that's an adorable name

[sterile atlas]

wait so sry if this has been asked 100 times already but what do we think about telling players [1.5 spoil] ||that they can be locked out of one of the endings? I just read a steam guide that says the 4th ending is impossible to get without completing all 3 other endings.....||
[1.5] ||im not sure exactly how it works, does meeting the weaver one time completely screw up the prince ending? Or do they have to meet the weaver all 4 times?||
we should probably decide on a protocol for this, and perhaps pin it

i woudlnt imagine players particularly happy when ||they hear the endings can be locked||

[lethal fossil]

||if you reach the weaver halo stage it locks you out of the prince ending. Tho it doesn't prevent you from getting the final ending. The only requirement from that is waking up the prince and it is done by creating portals from OR||

[sterile atlas]

ahh ok ||so how will we know when a player wants to see all 4 endings as opposed to wanting to play on their own and seeing what happens?||

[lethal fossil]

||I'd let them be methinks. Saying that something would lock them out from one of the endings would make them lose their mind trying to figure it instead of riding the wave and hyping the thing they discovered at a given moment and reaching the prince ending WILL take a long time so it's just a huge grind ||

I wish the prince ending wasn't so ass to reach

[sterile atlas]

its probably situational tbh. but you raise good points
||id say that almost everyones gonna lock themselves out of the prince ending in this case but eh||

#1423487105103036416 message [1.5 spoil in the link] just found one person that appreciated the information just by looking around immediately after sending the above message lol

[lethal fossil]

Maybe find a way to mention it and ask them if they want more details

[lucid seal]

he carried a frog to his shelter and views it as his friend 🥹

can't wait until one latches onto him

[sterile atlas]

[marble carbon]

holy

[sterile atlas]

:hunternotknowing:

[marble carbon]

i honestly would've never gotten it naturally if i didn't book prince first

[lucid seal]

this is 1.5 content 🥹

[sterile atlas]

Oh true

[lucid seal]

better to copy paste 1.5 content and link the thread instead of forward since you can spoiler tag it

[sterile atlas]

Yeah I forgor tho so it's my fault

[sterile atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1423693053767716947 this is a pretty cool thread
1.5 spoils
blind game, very early game

[sterile atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1422168037737365574 ALSO A REALLY GOOD THREAD
1.5 spoils
Also blind, relatively early game (ripple 9 achieved, they are visiting outer rim after a bad warp now! No endings yet)

[lyric harness]

#1425604891866300468 message repost blast needed no 1.5 spoilers

also the pinned thread got unpinned somehow

not sure if it’s just me

not sure if it’s just me

discord double message bug BLAST

but anyway yeah repost blast and repin thread pleaseee

disappears

[lucid seal]

BOOM

can my phone not be awful right now

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1352430812519333940

yeah can someone else repin that my phone won't let me

ill have to get on my laptop

[keen oyster]

awa

[lucid seal]

thanks igna

[covert totem]

@tribal swift OP has tried to get to LF through sky islands and subterranean and I'm just tryna hint to go through outskirts without directly saying to go there

[tribal swift]

[covert totem]

[tribal swift]

i cha cha slide out of here

[covert totem]

Sorry for ping into evil spoiler place

[sterile atlas]

#1423693053767716947 message
[1.5 spoils] ||I'm gonna call them peach cuz pink and strawberry is already taken||
NO WAY

[rapid river]

spoilers right needa 💥? #1425718613670629477 message

[lethal fossil]

💥

[rapid river]

darn it i got distracted

oh well

[sterile atlas]

#1422168037737365574 message chiki is soon to get the spining top ending [1.5 spoils]
Ending reached!!!

[coarse egret]

1.5 spoilers are fine untagged in first playthrough threads

imo if they're fine in the first playthrough threads, they should be fine in the threads about coordinating them

[sterile atlas]

Oh I just nuked someone for spoils in thread wasn't the op tho

[lucid seal]

was it mine

[lucid seal]

i'm really confused why they sent that in mine 🥹

(i spoiler tag all 1.5 content in my thread anyway)

[lucid seal]

majority of felpers are not a part of said 1.5 threads

[keen oyster]

Anytime Ive gotten pinged in Watcher threads Ive immediately left them to not get spoiled
The coordination thread allowing untagged spoilers just kinda further limits where I can safely go

[coarse egret]

what about felpers that participate in this thread

actually there's one right above me

[lucid seal]

that hasn't completed 1.5 yet

i also haven't completed 1.5

and there are several bugs that lock me out of content

[keen oyster]

I. havent beaten the game

Your point kinda falls flat if youre gesturing to someone that literally wouldnt be able to be in here anymore if we stopped tagging

Theyre fine in first playthrough threads because if someone looks in that thread its on them if they get spoiled

It shouldnt be fine in here yet because. Felpers actually talk together here and that kinda just removes this space as a place for felpers to talk about Watcher without getting spoiled

Ive beaten 1.0 I havent beaten 1.5
I would ahve to physically leave this thread if we stopped tagging 1.5 stuff

[lucid seal]

me too, and a lot of the other active felpers i know of would have to leave as well

[marble carbon]

[sterile atlas]

#1420847893170098316 message [1.5 spoils]
||This guy finished the rot ending but the golden leaves aren't appearing on their map. No sign weaver so far. Definitely a 1.5 save, they have seen the lantern in the dusk||

I'm worried their progression is blocked because of a bug

[sterile atlas]

Ok nvm the above it's fixed

[prisma linden]

Yeah no bugs involved, || the weaver's summoned by flower warping, it's entirely possible to get that far in the game without having bothered to do a flower warp ||

[sterile atlas]

oh i didnt know that

[rapid river]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1425988974605762560
You guys skipped another 💥able starting message thread

[lucid seal]

i don't even have perms

[rapid river]

[sterile atlas]

#1425419454845685771 message how does this guy have the endings if every echo crashes his game..................... (afaik no 1.5 content)

maybe he means he got all the downpour endings, not watcher

[lucid seal]

yeah that's what i think too with how they talk about downpour right after they talk about endings

[rapid river]

#1425419454845685771 message
"echo" in the title, 💥?

[lucid seal]

slugnod

[rotund fog]

Can people without the role still help here?

[sterile atlas]

Yes

[rotund fog]

Someone in #1342915289595248701 did everything for ||the weaver quest, but I don't know how to hint towards finishing it||

[lucid seal]

you will have to spoiler tag 1.5 content here though still

thank you!! most of the helpers haven't finished watcher 1.5 🥹

[rotund fog]

That was me for awhile

I just didn't check this channel

Did I accidentally spoil you?

[lucid seal]

no i know of their existence already it's vague enough i have no idea what you're talking about anyway

don't worry

[rotund fog]

Okay good(ish)

I accidentally spoiled myself worse a few days ago

Read the beginning of a post and accidentally pressed the "Jump to present" button

[sterile atlas]

https://tinyurl.com/rw-helper-application

Oh he doesn't have the monk role

[lucid seal]

i've done this a few times myself 🥹

the major spoiler jumpscare i get every time

i never learn

[rotund fog]

I assume that's a requirement?

[sterile atlas]

Poor rat

[sterile atlas]

Yeah and it's recommended to have survivor

[lucid seal]

i make sure to just unfollow the thread now

[rotund fog]

One time I even got a FAKE spoiler

[covert totem]

Same it's fun 🥹

[keen oyster]

Late-game 1.5 spoilers
||I've had a thought come to me. If someone has a whole bunch of rotted regions and meets Weaver enough times to gain the derot, do we tell them its not required for anything like Weaver's ending or Daemon?||
||Like if someone does Prince ending cause they think its required (like for the thing in Daemon) so all their regions are fully rotted, then they meet Weaver and gain the derotting halo, they would end up spending a LOT of time derotting for literally 0 reward||

[lethal fossil]

does someone actually do that expecting a reward?

[keen oyster]

Its just something I thought of earlier but ||if someone assumes they have to derot all regions for progression, even post-Prince ending, it would be a lot of wasted time for nothing||

[sterile atlas]

That was my first guess about the ||post weaver goal||

The only thing that saved me is s||tepping back to consider if the developers thought that would be fun, and sarcruromolfeus||

(still 1.5 spoilers for the above)

[lucid seal]

i love evil gray squares

[prisma linden]

|| l never actually realized while in my playthrough that l could derot from standing in rooms, l noticed mysteriously clean rooms going around the rotten regions and concluded that me sealing the portal was what's healing the region gradually ||

[sterile atlas]

the thing that made me realise was ||that the derotter aura shut down in fully derotted rooms||

[rapid river]

is s

[sterile atlas]

oh wait i think i know what your saying now tok me a while

i got lazy

butn ot like that single letter is spoiling anyone

whats with the hunterknowings tho

watcher was heaps of fun

[prisma linden]

We're consdiering you

[sterile atlas]

[1.5 spoiler? I guess?]
||CONSIDER:||

[covert totem]

I'm reacting with hunterknowing even though I haven't clicked that box and have no idea what it says

[lucid seal]

me too

[rapid river]

is s

[keen oyster]

1.5 spoilers ||Feathers on a region mean the Weaver is currently there, right?||

[marble carbon]

yes

[keen oyster]

Okay cuz

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1422168037737365574

Need help here

[coarse egret]

||created if hasVoidWeaver is true, which is true if voidWeaverPresenceRegions contains the region, which is set in reading connections from map data, if the region is not a vanilla region, not a rotted equivalent of a vanilla region, and has a warp that's neither a ripple warp nor a one way warp, which has already expired by cycle count, didn't have the weaver triggered yet, you don't have the void weaver ability, and it's not already in the list||

||so it's not true that the feathers are created if the weaver is there; rather, the feathers indicate that there's an expired warp point that activates the weaver when it's on the screen||

luckily, I also managed to write a relevant wiki page like three hours ago 💥 ||https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Weaver/Mechanics ||

[keen oyster]

I cant tell if this players game is bugged or not then

||They have the sign but they say none of their portals are gold||

[coarse egret]

||it does require traversing to the screen (within the room) with the warp point itself for it to actually get sealed it wasn't checked from just the map, was it?||

[keen oyster]

#1422168037737365574 message

[coarse egret]

every room or every screen?

[keen oyster]

I cant really tell atp

Im losing what theyre syaing xd

[lucid seal]

so this person's thread has a dms skin for slugpups that makes them look like moths (obviously inspired by watcher big moths) in a downpour playthrough thread and i wanted to get the opinions of other felpers on what to do
#1424897336403824760 message

[sterile atlas]

Scream at him to mark his thread with watcher creature spoil?????

[lucid seal]

i'm not a felper

/silly

[covert totem]

I think my input is that it can be left alone (that is a lot of screenshots to deal with) but it shouldn't really be discussed whatsoever, or I'm not sure, maybe mention something to the op?

[lucid seal]

i think it's worth doing so yeah

it's a difficult situation to come to a decision about but since they seem to resemble the watcher moths so accurately (i'm unsure if it's even just a skin mod, i can't seem to find the one) i do think it's worth mentioning to op or at least asking about

[sterile atlas]

HONORARY felper!! !!!!! Oh wait no perms

[lucid seal]

🥹

i tried to pin something in my thread yesterday and got so confused why the pin icon wasn't there before remembering

[sterile atlas]

once a felper always a felper

#1425352951379132549 message look at this guys custom status rat

[sterile atlas]

i just saw in #watcher-spoilers that setting your game to low quality mode fixes the daemon portal bug

because it unloads both rooms with portals (you can only load 1 room at a time)

[rapid river]

[rapid river]

I thought this was me
Simply because I have similar name from my downpour thread #1303395620043620493

[coarse egret]

shouldn't matter imo, falls into essentially the same category as the profile

[lucid seal]

they're not online

[lucid seal]

this is a good point, makes sense

thanks randi

[sterile atlas]

It was something along the lines of
Now consider a rat. Now consider a rat. Now consider a rat. Now consider a rat. Now consider a rat.

A bunch of times

[lucid seal]

this is incredible thank you

Now imagine a rat.

[sterile atlas]

Ok I'm imagining... What next???

[raw gazelle]

CONSIDER:
A rat.

[lucid seal]

#1408715599911059486 message

felper blast 💥

[covert totem]

Took me a solid minute to see what to blast lol

I'm so tired🥹

[lucid seal]

sleep soon halves 🥹

[covert totem]

I want to🥹

I'll eep as soon as I get home lol

[keen oyster]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1427782519884873738
Would this intro message count as a spoiler?

[sterile atlas]

Fine by me tbh

[lucid seal]

i'd say yes

it's easy to connect purple goop to early game watcher rot being able to spread somehow and that being important

[covert totem]

I sent a message, if they don't respond for a few hours I'll explode it

Evidently, I would absolutely count it

[lucid seal]

they spoiler tagged it

[sterile atlas]

Oh "purple goop" is definitely a soiler, I didn't see that earlier sorgy

[covert totem]

Do we consider "3rd" ending a spoiler? I would (also this is definitely not something I can help op with so if anyone can hop in that'd be great) https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1428227228185133127

[sterile atlas]

i was literally just looking at that thread

but yeah i would

[keen oyster]

#1428227228185133127 message
Bug or intended behavior?
@coarse egret