#❗-1-18-experimental
fiery gale
vivid ironBOT
crash-2021-12-01_10.47.55-server.txt by @fiery gale: https://paste.gg/0453391ab2b94f94aae1a76c780f10c9
dark wigeon
update
fiery gale
what‘s this mean’
quasi panther
fixed in #15, update
arctic oracle
it means update your server
quasi panther
it's day one, always run latest
merry scaffold
access transformer
polar quarry
oh that sounds cool
arctic oracle
why abbreviate when the long version sounds so cool?
vague falcon
speed
heavy creek
"Add missing access transformer" that sounds pretty cool to me
violet wing
fastest commit in the west
fiery gale
i wonder how many core can be used by paper
arctic oracle
i wonder how many core can be used by paper
as many as you want, doesn't really mean much tho
vague falcon
depends, Core team members: 5, core cpus, idfk
topaz nymph
cat core 🥵
polar quarry
quick, someone figure out how to run more than 1 guest core per host core in qemu virtualbox
we need to run minecraft with 1024 cores asap
fiery gale
no i mean how many cpu cores
serene quail
vivid ironBOT
crash-2021-12-01_08.28.20-server.txt by @serene quail: https://paste.gg/b386c32516544bb984390fa6a0c52aae
serene quail
Cn someone help
serene quail
help needed
topaz nymph
update
polar quarry
update to 15
topaz nymph
If you see ANYTHING related to SurfaceRules,
UPDATE! https://papermc.io/downloads
polar quarry
paper version 1.18 build #15
grave charm
@hasty grail build 16 should have the fix for the issue you were having. hopefully since I couldn't replicate it myself.
itll be a few mins before its up
honest flare
does simulation-distance replaces no-tick-view ?
vague falcon
Paper (for Minecraft: Java Edition 1.18) CI build #15
arctic oracle
does simulation-distance replaces no-tick-view ?
for the moment
grave charm
Paper's no tick view distance isnt in 1.18 builds yet
vague falcon
no, view-distance replaces no-tick-view
grand sky
stray gazelle
Is the paper experimental really buggy or is it playable?
dark wigeon
scroll up
arctic oracle
Is the paper experimental really buggy or is it playable?
considering that the last build literally didn't even start, you tell me
polar quarry
Is the paper experimental really buggy or is it playable?
you'd imagine the "experimental" bit of "paper experimental" would give you a clue about the stability
stray gazelle
Ok thanks
arctic oracle
you'd imagine the "experimental" bit of "paper experimental" would give you a cl...
your username is proof you know that isn't true
polar quarry
your username is proof you know that isn't true
lmaooooolkklkghj;
pallid merlin
What would miss a 1.17 player in a 1.18 server?
arctic oracle
What would miss a 1.17 player in a 1.18 server?
english?
honest flare
oh wait prob misread simulation distance but if i understand correct it will benefit alongside no-tick-view once is merged in 1.18?
vapid prawn
You mean what would be hidden from them if you used ViaVersion in 1.18 to support 1.17 players?
arctic oracle
oh wait prob misread simulation distance but if i understand correct it will ben...
my understanding is that one will be dropped but undecided which
vapid prawn
I think all the blocks and entities where already added to 1.17 so... nothing?
pallid merlin
You mean what would be hidden from them if you used ViaVersion in 1.18 to suppor...
Ah yes
serene quail
I cant find build 15 yet in the downloads page is it uploaded?
west bone
Apex staff seem to be having many ppl with paper 1.18 not loading a new world, then crashing
topaz nymph
Wow that was a wild guess
vapid prawn
ctrl-f5, page has a long cache time
polar quarry
I cant find build 15 yet in the downloads page is it uploaded?
press ctrl+f5 because your browser might be caching the page too aggresively
heavy creek
apex needs to update using build 15
arctic oracle
Ah yes
there is one new record disk, but a bunch of new music sounds and texture changes
marsh tree
pallid merlin
there is one new record disk, but a bunch of new music sounds and texture change...
Nothing important I see
candid flower
We have a v16?
pallid merlin
ty all
vapid prawn
When in doubt use the latest build
polar quarry
apparently haha
rocky nest
We have a v16?
there's a new build every commit
vapid prawn
Yeah 16 fixes @hasty grail 's issue
Which I think was that the server crashes if you place the last block in a stack
polar quarry
man its so cool how you guys immediately fix reported issues
candid flower
V16 is still missing from the homepage?
west bone
Apex staff seem to be having many ppl with paper 1.18 not loading a new world, t...
? apex is using build 15
rocky nest
ctrl+f5
vapid prawn
Would have to get a server log then
lethal warren
V16 is still missing from the homepage?
Sometimes you need to open in incognito because it will cache
polar quarry
na just press ctrl+f5
rocky nest
ctrl + F5
golden pulsar
na just press ctrl+f5
Doesnt work btw.
candid flower
Dang it - I literally just upgraded to 15
feral spire
sometimes that may not work coz it depend on the caching
candid flower
🙂
lethal warren
ctrl + f5 doesnt always work
acoustic burrow
Lol, 15 is out?
vague falcon
If the downloads page is fucky, DELETE your browser cache, force reload wont cut it
vapid prawn
If you're getting a crash on startup on build 15+ it's not a known issue afaik
golden pulsar
Lol, 15 is out?
ornate thunder
How long dk you think it will be till the non experimental paper 1.18 releases?
acoustic burrow
I thought no more dev builds at the moment
vapid prawn
So more details are needed
polar quarry
v15
https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/15/downloads/p...
HERE download links 15 and 16
lethal warren
incognito almost always does it
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
ornate thunder
.eta
polar quarry
How long dk you think it will be till the non experimental paper 1.18 releases?
seventeen and a half months.
vague falcon
I legit have to keep doing this
lethal warren
Incognito mode wont use cache
harsh lance
Shift f5?
arctic oracle
How long dk you think it will be till the non experimental paper 1.18 releases?
when 1.19 releases and 1.18 is discontinued
lethal warren
for chrome atleast
ornate thunder
when 1.19 releases and 1.18 is discontinued
???
vague falcon
lmao
golden pulsar
I legit have to keep doing this
Or f12 -> application -> storage and then "Clear site data"
ornate thunder
Thats not what happened with 1.17
vague falcon
that too!
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
vague falcon
idk why
rocky nest
as much as people asking for eta is annoying, don't troll them
vapid prawn
Switch to Firefox, ctrl-f5 works there 😄
topaz nymph
It will become not experimental when it’s ready!
candid flower
Maybe in the future (maybe I should write a PR for this), we should have the build number in the server name. Instead of saying "Paper" server on the debug screen, we could say "Paper 1.18 #16" server on the debug...
arctic oracle
Thats not what happened with 1.17
you asked a stupid question so you got a stupid answer
ornate thunder
Switch to Firefox, ctrl-f5 works there 😄
Yes
ornate thunder
you asked a stupid question so you got a stupid answer
Sorry:(
rocky nest
Maybe in the future (maybe I should write a PR for this), we should have the bui...
/ver?
dapper lotus
it's caching
grave charm
ctrl f5 was not working for me on firefox. had to go to the network tab and disable cache there
ornate thunder
Talar ni svenska
dapper lotus
For some reason chrome doesn't care to ignore caches for extra requests
This is an english discord
arctic oracle
i mean, there are better platforms than chrome now... i keep finding less and less reasons to use it
dapper lotus
sprata engelska dina kottbullar
ornate thunder
you asked a stupid question so you got a stupid answer
I was just wondering on average how long does it take for paper to cone out
dapper lotus
There is no eta
ornate thunder
Ik
dapper lotus
We don'ttrack that stuff, sod off
ornate thunder
But like last time how did it take
west bone
paper 16 newest right>?
ornate thunder
Like 2 weeks?
dapper lotus
sod off
vapid prawn
Every time is different
ornate thunder
Ok
vague falcon
surprised the API has browser cache and not server-level caching but i guess the api rewrite helps with that
rocky nest
Several people are typing
arctic oracle
there is no consistency at all. depends on the amount of work that needs to be done
ornate thunder
So like on average 1-3 weeks?
rocky nest
stop asking
candid flower
I want Discord to add a feature where we can just silence people for 24 hours so we can use it on everyone who asks for an ETA. And an option to double it for anyone who denies asking for an ETA while asking for an ETA.
plain solstice
ornate thunder
Ok sorry
arctic oracle
there is no average, as its always different
ornate thunder
Noooo
dapper lotus
!kick @ornate thunder You've been told to stop asking multiple times.
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arctic oracle
good
vapid prawn
It's not like there is some checklist to go through, it's more like you finish the checklist then people tell you what parts of your new house are on fire
topaz nymph
(He is now a meatball)
But yea let’s please prevent trolling, it confuses some people.
arctic oracle
nothing of value was lost
dark wigeon
It's not like there is some checklist to go through, it's more like you finish t...
umm just put water on the house
glad flower
Have there been reports on the current build of beds causing a desync on clients?
vapid prawn
You have to wait until the devs think all the fires are out, they don't know where they are ahead of time or even all at once
ornate thunder
Don’t worry
feral spire
Have there been reports on the current build of beds causing a desync on clients...
can you describ the issue in details? with pictures?
glad flower
clients try to sleep, they don't see it on their end, but other clients see the person in the bed. eventually the game "catches up" and kicks them out of their bed, undoing anything they "saw" on their end
vapid prawn
I've seen that on beta 1.6 😄
dark wigeon
i think it's happened to me as well on 1.17.1 builds
arctic oracle
clients try to sleep, they don't see it on their end, but other clients see the ...
this has been an issue for a long time, its not easy to nail down
vapid prawn
That's been a bug since MC was a thing, unless it's happening consistently it's nothing new
arctic oracle
(1.18, build 10)
also update
glad flower
will do, what are we up to now?
arctic oracle
16 last i checked
vapid prawn
16
glad flower
Cheers, thanks. will do
vapid prawn
If it's happening that often, you aren't having network issues, and you aren't jumping through hoops to try to do it then that sounds like a new issue
Next step would be to try to reproduce with no plugins, then with spigot, then with vanilla
glad flower
Will try to - if it keeps happening I'll submit an official report
vapid prawn
If you file an issue on github the first reply will probably be to try to reproduce without plugins 😄
glad flower
Thankfully, I'm running with zero plugins 😉
well, besides a stupid one that spams F in the chat when a player dies
lmao
arctic oracle
i have one that "pays respects" when people type /f lol
vapid prawn
Unless it's really stupid that's not likely to be related, no
glad flower
bwahaha
hybrid dust
Do we need to force update if updating from 1.17.1?
topaz nymph
Modern paper DFU is stupid fast anyways
tranquil torrent
is the builds stable to update?
topaz nymph
Not entirely.
vague falcon
:(
topaz nymph
It says experimental
stark pagoda
why using forceupgrade is not recommended?
vapid prawn
is the builds stable to update?
What is the name of... what Owen said
dapper lotus
- it appearntly borks the blending stuff
vapid prawn
why using forceupgrade is not recommended?
There have been known data loss bugs in vanilla with it in the past and I've been told in 1.18 doing so ensures you don't get that fancy blending between old and new terrain
dapper lotus
- It was never needed
vague falcon
it's very cringe! paper dfu's is chad!
stark pagoda
:o
vapid prawn
It was pretty needed for at least one release
dapper lotus
I mean, Data converter is just a port of the vanilla converters and some extra fixes
vague falcon
i had to speak to our nation's youth in their native language
fluid dagger
sorry, I know that may annoy some people, but I still want to know, what is ETA? I've searched discord messages, but all the results are asking for ETA, but no one explained it. 😦
vapid prawn
But yeah, not getting the blending makes some sense, when you load those chunks they look like they're just 1.18 stuff now
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
fluid dagger
got it, thanks. 🙂
hot zenith
would it be safe to transfer my 1.17 server to spigot 1.18 temporarily until paper 1.18 comes out?
vapid prawn
spigot 1.18 isn't any more stable
merry scaffold
Spigot is just as "stable"
rocky nest
spigot's no more stable-dammit
topaz nymph
It’s day one of release!!
topaz nymph
And there needs to be public testing
hot zenith
makes sense
vapid prawn
vanilla 1.18 might be slightly more stable but I still wouldn't trust it without regular backups and a willingness to lose everything and go back to the last 1.17.1 backup at any point
rocky nest
(except Md_5 in his infinite wisdom didn't have any warnings about it)
vapid prawn
why would they release then
Do you pay for a professional QA team? I know I don't
hot zenith
cuz i thought the way it works was paper waits for 1.18 spigot to officially release or smth
im uneducated on this
rocky nest
you're correct
dapper lotus
I mean, spigot needs to release source for us to do stuff
rocky nest
Just the spigot official releases are usually unstable for the first days-weeks, same as paper
dapper lotus
But, spigot has a history of basically not warning that this is day 0
as I say, spigot has in the past had builds out which cause world data corruption and still called it stable
vapid prawn
It usually just takes a while for paper to update after spigot comes out so some of the worst of the spigot issues get some poor impatient server owner to run face first in to them already
dapper lotus
Primarily the chest bug in vanilla, paper refused to mark ourselves as stable until that was fixed
hot zenith
so they just slap it on their discord and call it stable
vapid prawn
This time spigot did prereleases and paper updated faster
dapper lotus
md did end up fixing it only after we fixed it
vapid prawn
Mojang does pay a professional QA team and I still wouldn't trust a vanilla 1.18 server without regular backups
stray gazelle
Ik there is no eta but is it safe to say that it will be at least playable by the end of the week?
stray gazelle
Sorry
topaz nymph
Lmao
summer garnet
uh my server crashed
fluid cypress
it's playable now if you're brave
hot zenith
asking just leads to false hope
summer garnet
when will 15 be out
hot zenith
and pressures the devs
bronze linden
Mojang does pay a professional QA team andI still wouldn't trust avanilla 1.18server without regular backups
topaz nymph
It’s already out
summer garnet
my server crashed from a chunk loading error
vapid prawn
ctrl-f5, we're up to 16 now
topaz nymph
Update!!
arctic oracle
my server crashed from a chunk loading error
16 is out
hot zenith
alright ima just stick with 1.17.1 until it fully comes out dont wanna risk anything dumb
arctic oracle
using chrome?
summer garnet
using chrome?
no
grave charm
alright ima just stick with 1.17.1 until it fully comes out dont wanna risk anyt...
Smart
sly minnow
I'm not on the dev team and it get on my nerves each time someone ask for ETA
dapper lotus
edge is basically chrome
vapid prawn
> ~~Mojang does pay a professional QA team and~~ I still wouldn't trust a ~~vani...
Backups are always the way to go of course but if you run more or less stable software you can pretend you don't need them for a long time
arctic oracle
it does but its different
rocky nest
Some sort of /latest for discord that says the most recent build # & a DL link would be nice
dapper lotus
flushing the cache for the site should work
arctic oracle
different hotkey
summer garnet
edge is basically chrome
free microsoft rewards points though on edge
plain solstice
edge is basically chrome
What isn't these days
topaz nymph
;Edge is just used because Microsoft is basically shoving it down peoples throats)
summer garnet
is it just me renaming the server jars to "server.jar" even if they have a seperate name
topaz nymph
(Enough said)
reef torrent
Edge deflector
summer garnet
;Edge is just used because Microsoft is basically shoving it down peoples throat...
basically why i use it
vapid prawn
is it just me renaming the server jars to "server.jar" even if they have a seper...
Makes scripts simpler
topaz nymph
^ yea so ur not the only one
arctic oracle
yay server render is almost done. then i can update to #16 lol
crude rain
i'm going to kroger do y'all need anything
acoustic burrow
random question, is starlight already in version 14?
cloud phoenix
red bull
acoustic burrow
Takes a while
grave charm
random question, is starlight already in version 14?
yep
acoustic burrow
Woo
whole cliff
guess ill leave it on overnight
crude rain
oh dang that explains my problem then
vague falcon
taking "dont start shit with me" too literally!
potent quail
Am I being silly or can we no longer use the artifactId as paper instead of paper-api?
vague falcon
it's 1.17 craftbukkit build 1 all over again 😔
grave charm
Am I being silly or can we no longer use the artifactId as `paper` instead of `p...
are you trying to depend on paper api? or paper (with nms and CraftXXX classes)
potent quail
paper with nms etc
grave charm
well you need to install that to your local maven repo
cause that cant be hosted online, only the api, paper-api can be
potent quail
isnt that what publishToMavenLocal used to do?
potent quail
ahh thats where ill be tripping up, thank you!
grave charm
well, maybe it doesnt matter actually
potent quail
gonna try invaliding caches, intellij is just complaining
arctic oracle
numbers are in, took 6h27m14s to generate a 20k map on 1.18#10 using chunky on an i9 99k with 10gb of ram (system was being used for other things at this time)
candid flower
I installed Build 14 from Build 10, and heh, that was a mess that caused some head scratching 🙂
grave charm
yeah, no no on build 14
topaz nymph
🥴
grave charm
pretend it doesnt exist 😉
vapid prawn
Dunno how good the other system was but iirc someone reported on fabric (still no idea what that means) a 10k map took 6 hours
crude rain
where is the jeff bezos pipeline to generate worlds
candid flower
Well, it's no longer on the downloads page either. I was scratching my head, and then I saw build #15 appear which only added an import and it clicked (because I do programming)...
vague falcon
IJ 2021.3 was a shitshow for me, absolutely unusable..
fossil light
I generated 10k in 2 hours on my 10600k w/ 10gb of ram allocated to mc
topaz nymph
IJ 2021.3 was a shitshow for me, absolutely unusable..
IntelliJ has always been terrible for me
vapid prawn
With what software?
topaz nymph
I’m getting this super silly generic error lol.
fossil light
with the latest dev version of chunky
vapid prawn
vanilla? spigot? fabric? fabric+some mod? paper?
fossil light
oh that's what you mean
arctic oracle
chunky 1.17 and paper for me
fossil light
paper 1.18-10 w/ latest chunky dev
vapid prawn
fabric should be the same as vanilla afaik which is why I don't know what that other person meant by fabric
pure crest
anyone else experiencing TPS drop on #15 ? ive optimized the crap outta my server and its running 12gb ram on a dedicated server with server cpu and everything says its below 14TPS but the games playable and not laggy at all
vapid prawn
Ah, nice, so probably 3x the speed of vanilla/fabric
topaz nymph
Timings? Spark?
arctic oracle
anyone else experiencing TPS drop on #15 ? ive optimized the crap outta my serv...
timings plz
vapid prawn
Which matches what we saw when Leaf was testing chunk generation speeds
pure crest
how do i get the timings to you ? sorr never done that before never had a TPS issue this bad
gentle carbon
my server could use some extra work, might try generating a map, it's a r7 2700, rtx 2060, and 16gb of ram so im hoping itll be somewhat fast
arctic oracle
in case anybody was wondering, a 20k world is 17.1gb
vapid prawn
He was testing what ended up being a bug in paperlib making chunky do things the vanilla way though so we didn't try actual vanilla
candid flower
For any developers here, what's up with this unfinished 1.17 project? Will it get renamed to "1.18" and cleaned up? https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/projects/13
arctic oracle
that GPU is probably overkill for a server tbh
topaz nymph
how do i get the timings to you ? sorr never done that before never had a TPS is...
/timings paste
pure crest
flang i remember i did like 1millx1mill world took 3 months to fully gen xD it was over 500gb
fossil light
10k map is 4.5gb here
violet wing
flang i remember i did like 1millx1mill world took 3 months to fully gen xD it w...
u did wot
grave charm
For any developers here, what's up with this unfinished 1.17 project? Will it ge...
frankly, I still have problems using github projects well. idk if I'm alone in that, but I just either dont think to use them, dont know how to use the correctly or efficiently, or smth
violet wing
imagine taking backups on that
vapid prawn
It's just a kanban board, it's more useful for project managers
vague falcon
Can't wait for some genius to invent a backup system that only backups changes since the last backup like a git repo
arctic oracle
i did that once, i set the server to keep generating till it hit the world border, but forgot to set the world border. got up to about 150 gb before i figured out wtf was happening
vapid prawn
The fact that it plugs in to issue statuses and labels just means usually only the PM has to look at it
fossil light
that'd be great
gentle carbon
my servers world is i believe 500Kx500K rn but its world border is 8mx8m
arctic oracle
yeah thats command blocks or a datapack doing that
pure crest
i only have 1 it adds the minecon mobs
arctic oracle
well the short code is mcm that is using a massive amount of power
so minecon mobs makes sense
grave charm
on snap yeah, command functions be going crazy there
pure crest
xD well crap
grave charm
try it without that, and see if you get improvements
pure crest
guess its back to drwing board this is the onyl data pack that worked
hasty grail
<@!190746109994467329> build 16 should have the fix for the issue you were havin...
Thank you! 🙏
candid flower
Curious question: Why is Eigencraft redstone engine not default yet? Does it have unresolved edge cases?
grave charm
I think it might change some obscure mechanics, but I don't have first hand experience. If it does change smth, then that's prob why its disabled by default
arctic oracle
Curious question: Why is Eigencraft redstone engine not default yet? Does it hav...
i have never had an issue with it or a contraption that didn't work. but i am told there are strange edge cases. again never seen one
i have been using it for about three years now too
pure crest
yea i guess thats whats causing it is the MCM anyone have a stable 1.18 data pack that adds those mobs
west bone
is anyone else stressed?
stark pagoda
no
topaz nymph
About?
candid flower
If there are edge cases we can't quantify, perhaps we should make it an opt-out thing because, what percentage of Redstone builders would ever run into it? <2%?
west bone
1.18 and your server
west bone
yes, im more of stressing since im trying to open a server ive been working on for like 3 months now
custom plugins
polar quarry
3 months to open a server oof
arctic oracle
yea i guess thats whats causing it is the MCM anyone have a stable 1.18 data pac...
the datapack isn't unstable, you are asking it to keep track of four flowers on the back of a mob at all times x dozens of mobs. that is a brutal amount of math for your server to do every tick
west bone
3 months to open a server oof
I have like 15+ custom plugins, most of which arent small systems
arctic oracle
I have like 15+ custom plugins, most of which arent small systems
if it helps, most of the plugins i have tried so far have just worked from their old versions
candid flower
@arctic oracle I wonder if we could get some technical Redstoners to look at Eigencraft and see what edge cases they can immediately find, if any. Otherwise, in my mind, the percentage of people affected is so low it should be an opt-out thing. Kind of like duping glitches patches which affect far more people than Eigencraft.
west bone
if it helps, most of the plugins i have tried so far have just worked from their...
luckily
vapid prawn
I thought the eigencraft patch was dropped in 1.16
Did someone ever come along and rewrite it?
pure crest
the datapack isn't unstable, you are asking it to keep track of four flowers on ...
well dang 😦 i had all 3 mobs before but seperate data packs but they failed to spawn unless i forced tem to this is the only 1.18 compatibleone that works guess i wont be having them
vapid prawn
iirc for 1.16 someone made an even better replacement redstone system
dapper lotus
I think it was dropped for a little while as mojang made some changes somewhere
grave charm
I think its back no?
dapper lotus
I don't recall there being an even better system
Like, there was panda, but,t hat never got into paper
we debated on adding it but then eigencraft came along which was much better
vapid prawn
There was a ticket on mojira that benchmarked their suggested changes, vanilla, and eigencraft
dapper lotus
hm
topaz nymph
Now do that with starlight!!
dapper lotus
No idea, I recall there being some changes in vanilla around that time but don't recall what all it was
vapid prawn
Or maybe I have that backwards but I swear I found it around the time Paper was dropped the eigencraft patch
grave charm
yeah, its back in there now
stark pagoda
1.18 and your server
nah i didnt have to deal with the chunk generation stuff since we do map resets every major update
candid flower
@vapid prawn For what it's worth, I set up 1.18#16 completely fresh and this entry is in paper.yml:
use-faster-eigencraft-redstone: false
grave charm
use-faster-eigencraft-redstone in the world settings
arctic oracle
you guys should add an 'enable secret multithread support' option in paper.yml that does nothing
grave charm
nah, should be left to $15 mcmarket forks
topaz nymph
The joke would fly over everyone’s head 😩
polar quarry
you guys should add an 'enable secret multithread support' option in paper.yml t...
you'll get a lot of kids asking about it
topaz nymph
nah, should be left to $15 mcmarket forks
99% parallel ticking!! 😼😼
candid flower
Is it the case then that use-faster-eigencraft-redstone config entry is a dud that doesn't do anything anymore and yet is still created in fresh config files, a vestigal entry?
dapper lotus
no
stark pagoda
eigencraft is disabled on default iirc
dapper lotus
the option exists and does stuff
brave drift
anyone else experiencing no friendly mobs spawning?
dapper lotus
that option was added when we where more conservative around mechanical changes
But, basically, there seems to be a case now that eigencraft, at least with CB, fixes more than it breaks
yae, /version ?
brave drift
yae, /version ?
This server is running Paper version git-Paper-10 (MC: 1.18) (Implementing API version 1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: c728c78)
polar quarry
update
arctic oracle
> This server is running Paper version git-Paper-10 (MC: 1.18) (Implementing API...
update
candid flower
I would agree - I mean, we patch out dupe glitches by default even though that used to get a lot of questions and still affects a lot of people. I would think there would be far fewer people asking questions if we made Eigencraft default, and if someone did, they can turn it off.
brave drift
okio
polar quarry
I would agree - I mean, we patch out dupe glitches by default even though that u...
OOF LOOK AT THAT @ GUYS
dapper lotus
don't ping
candid flower
🤦 It was so obvious, so sorry
dapper lotus
I've not heard of reduced mob spawns bar in pre builds
beyond that, like, most friendly mobs are generated during world gen
vapid prawn
I guess I mixed up some "random" person on mojira beating panda's with thinking someone had an even better one now
vapid prawn
Although if you haven't checked in with those guys recently they might 😄
brave drift
ty
arctic oracle
i read somewhere that the distribution was changed as to where they can spawn
vapid prawn
Yeah mountain biomes spawn basically nothing
One of them spawns literally nothing and I think the others only spawn goats
dapper lotus
Yea, RWTurbo is eigencrafts iirc
arctic oracle
to be fair, almost everything would fall to their deaths in mountains anyway
vapid prawn
The only time this is called eigencraft is in paper 😄
earnest stirrup
I know there's no exact eta for when paper is considered "production ready" but are the current builds stable enough to play on if I do daily backups and only have a few small plugins?
polar quarry
no
long edge
yes, the current builds will work fine. And no there is no eta
polar quarry
wait 891 months. come back laater
arctic oracle
I know there's no exact eta for when paper is considered "production ready" but ...
there have been a handful of unexplained crashes, but nothing out of 16 yet if thats what you want
earnest stirrup
there have been a handful of unexplained crashes, but nothing out of 16 yet if t...
sweet, that's what I was wondering :) Thanks
candid flower
I filed it against GitHub as a feature request. https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6975
hot zenith
do u guys have the tracker like u did 1.17
dapper lotus
On the github, yes
hot zenith
ah alright
topaz nymph
dreamy drum
Has anyone else been having a substantial difference in what is rendered between 1.17 and 1.18 at all?
dreamy drum
I know there is a new render system with the fog and stuff but the difference is quite stark.
topaz nymph
can anyone work on these issues
Be patient, paper is powered by volunteers.
crude rain
that's not exactly what I meant
dapper lotus
I mean, yea
crude rain
I meant like can I help
grave charm
can anyone work on these issues
I mean you can, but the stuff left on the Updated TODO at the bottom of the 1.18 issues are pretty complex. and rely on previous ones being implemented
dapper lotus
it's an open source project
crude rain
I'll give it a look
topaz nymph
Well yes and then there’s the fact you can contribute yourself too 🙂
topaz nymph
Yea papers a pretty big project!! Lots of contributors
grave charm
flint hearth
is there a website to find all 1.18 paper plugins? or do i just use bukkit/spigot plugins
grave charm
no, there's not a paper-specific site for hosting plugins, yet
some people post on the forums
but mainly its spigotmc for plugins
flint hearth
oki thank u
candid flower
I know we have no ETAs, but what is the status of Hangar? "It's ready when it's ready" or do we have any goals (i.e. before 1.19?)
solid goblet
no, hangar discord has some rough estimate of a alpha/beta in late 2022 iirc but god knows
not something for this channel anyway
long edge
yeah hangar has much less of an eta than a paper update
polar quarry
mayonaisse
tawny lance
i wish hangar has an updates/changelog tab that links to the actual update not like spigot where you have to match the date manually
candid flower
To any devs: Does Hangar have any specific technical standards it must fulfill / APIs it must implement other than PaperConnect/ThePaperSSOthing? Or can it be mostly freeform?
topaz nymph
Not rly the best channel
split steppe
long edge
it's pretty freeform afaik, I don't have anything to do with that though. Go join the hangar discord ^
vapid prawn
Huh, I did end up finding something faster than eigencraft redstone though, supposedly https://github.com/SpaceWalkerRS/alternate-current
RedstoneWireTurbo is up to 4 times slower.
warm ravine
damn
vapid prawn
Note that carpet mod, the main user of the eigencraft redstone changes, also dropped it after 1.16 came out and only just added it again in June this year
But it didn't get as much testing as the original even though there was a concern that it could cause issues due to not properly adapting to the changes in 1.16
So it has had no testing at all from 1.16 until June and not much since then
Dunno how many Paper users turn it on or how many issues have been reported about it
Maybe the update was done just fine and no one broke it in 1.17 or 1.18 either
arctic oracle
based on 1.17 builds and having a user who built huuuuge redstone builds and world eaters ran into no problems with it
but it did fix our lag issues with said huge builds
vapid prawn
The AC mod has only existed since March and doesn't seem to have many users, only 6 issues ever and only 1 code PR ever
arctic oracle
should say i was running eigencraft, not whatever that was
vapid prawn
On the other hand they claim it's feature complete and ready to go, put out a 1.0 13 days ago
Yeah, I know, just saying
lol, they put out builds for 1.6 through 1.18
grave charm
1.6… yikes
No one here is supporting 1.6 for plugins yeah? I think someone is for 1.7
long edge
fuuid does 1.6, doesn't it?
vapid prawn
AC mod is way more involved than RWTurbo though
RWTurbo is just wire, AC mod replaces redstone with something more like how I think bedrock works or like wire mods work
dry iron
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.
(actually I was just enjoying reading the discussion of redstone stuff)
vapid prawn
There is some concept outside of the block world of what a redstone circuit/network looks like and that is used to calculate any changes, then those changes are applied to the world
It's kind of like a virtual dom but for redstone 😄
dry iron
FUUID supports 1.7.10 and up, and it hurts. But I don't worry about redstone 😄
vapid prawn
It means they have to modify every block that can be powered though
arctic oracle
legit saw someone give a plugin a one star today because it didn't have 1.8 builds
raven quail
1.8 is for chumps
vapid prawn
Luckily the changes aren't hard, they just have to add a new method to explicitly say what directions the blocks update when their power level changes instead of just queuing those updates directly
analog shuttle
legit saw someone give a plugin a one star today because it didn't have 1.8 buil...
Bruh what…
quiet pine
I need my 1.8!!! 😡😡
vapid prawn
arctic oracle
because MuH cOmBaT
vapid prawn
Someone should port this to Paper 😄
analog shuttle
Wait so idk if this is the right place to ask but will 6gb of ram be enough for abt 10 players on 1.18 paper
raven quail
Fix your combat with some Skript or something then
analog shuttle
Alright
vapid prawn
Have anyone run a server with 10 players on 1.18 paper yet?
grave charm
The paper test server
vapid prawn
That thing was such chaos it doesn't count
grave charm
Had like > 100
frigid escarp
Ive skimmed through this channel a bit but just want to verify that overall "public" opinion is that this experimental version is mostly unsafe to use if you care about your worlds as of right now?
long edge
it won't break your world, at least as far as anyone is aware
kindred basalt
Best to be careful and make backups regardless
arctic oracle
nobody has reported anything in #16 yet if that means anything to you
raw glen
Have anyone run a server with 10 players on 1.18 paper yet?
I'm trying to get as many players on a server as possible on 1.18
I'm working on getting players
autumn shoal
Just curious, would it be maybe a few days or a week till there's a stable build?
frigid escarp
nobody has reported anything in #16 yet if that means anything to you
It doesnt, what is #16? Should I know?
dapper lotus
build 16
vapid prawn
It's late enough in the day all the US folks with sane schedules are going to bed
Or at least are done playing on their computer
But it's not late enough for EU people with sane schedules to be awake yet
autumn shoal
Cries in British at it being 5am
stark pagoda
Huh, I did end up finding something faster than eigencraft redstone though, supp...
Seen some Fabric players use it and said some builds or contraptions that work on Vanilla and Eigencraft doesn't work on Alternate Current
vapid prawn
So no issues reported in #16 so far doesn't mean as much as you think 😄
dapper lotus
Yea, you know
I shit on peoples rugs
But, like, I don't shit on peoples hopes and dreams
I mean, not often
vapid prawn
Oh, sorry, I meant EU+UK 😛
dapper lotus
or, too often, er...
arctic oracle
its been about an hour or so right so its safe to run 16 in prod obviously
autumn shoal
I am trying to work out what this #16 thing is 🥲
dark wigeon
the build
autumn shoal
Ohhh
dark wigeon
once you get to 17, just keep it there til java updates 👍
autumn shoal
That wasn't there earlier
dark wigeon
build 18 releases with java 18
arctic oracle
neither was 10...
dark wigeon
(and requires it, of course)
arctic oracle
all of them are from today
autumn shoal
How long has it been up? I checked today and this is new to me
arctic oracle
few hours at most
autumn shoal
Explains why I didn't see it then :p
arctic oracle
i mean technically the download page says it was uploaded tomorrow lol
vapid prawn
It's also heavily cached so you probably won't have #17 for a while after it comes out 😛
Unless you clear cache
autumn shoal
I mean at least there's a paper build up now :)
arctic oracle
is there something actively being chased for a #17 right now?
autumn shoal
I'll likely break stuff with it
I see it can corrupt the world...time to push to a main server 😏
vapid prawn
Unless MM is working on something I don't think there is anyone around anymore who would be doing things for a #17 right now
grave charm
well, there aren't any bugs that require an immediate fix, regardless, I cant push to master
dapper lotus
brb, going to break some stuff
warm ravine
MM beat me to fixing the stripMeta bug because windows was being fucking weird 
arctic oracle
MM beat me to fixing the stripMeta bug because windows was being fucking weird <...
you mean windows was being
warm ravine
TIL git for windows gets angry at arguments being in the wrong spot
vapid prawn
btw I think for the really serious redstone folks even CraftBukkit already breaks enough stuff that messing with the really niche stuff RWTurbo or AC might break is probably not going to happen on a Paper server
I mean, redstone can't even load chunks
acoustic burrow
Where even is build 16
arctic oracle
I mean, redstone can't even load chunks
lol know a few people on my server got upset about that one
warm ravine
I tell my players to suck it up
vapid prawn
We turned that off in CraftBukkit because when Vanilla turned it on we got some kind of positive feedback loop that made it try to load every chunk
polar quarry
Where even is build 16
vapid prawn
Never got around to figuring out why
There is just a boolean for it, last time I checked. The boolean existed before vanilla turned it on, don't know what it was for before that, we just turned it back off
acoustic burrow
Ah
arctic oracle
chrome is real bad for not deleting cache when you tell it to
vapid prawn
Google knows best
arctic oracle
so that key combo doesn't always even work
vapid prawn
Why would you want to delete something when you can just tell Google about it instead?
warm ravine
I just yell at my browser till it listens
polar quarry
you can right click on the icon too
vapid prawn
Does your one-liner just assume the project name and version and then use jq to parse out the download for the last build in the array?
polar quarry
mine doesnt assume and just parses json https://gist.github.com/confor/9ebcac91888a9708b7623a020ba46c04
warm ravine
Yes
lol
actually it only assumes project name
it parses out the latest version
vapid prawn
I hate it
vapid prawn
Technically a one-liner in the same way you can put an entire Java program on one line
polar quarry
https://gist.github.com/mja00/869f2dea8ca5ccd055176b51c20dd3d1 these are mine
this is horrible
warm ravine
took me 3 hours to write
most of that was figuring out the right awk and sed stuff
warm ravine
I do
vapid prawn
Did you just get chrome devtools to give you the curl commands?
vapid prawn
Why the header stuff?
warm ravine
tbh don't know
polar quarry
i hate all of it
warm ravine
I probably copied it from somewhere
arctic oracle
the best code is dirty but works right?
polar quarry
your one-liner is 925 characters long
warm ravine
Look if it doesn't make me puke is it good?
vapid prawn
Maybe it's only firefox but in the network tab on devtools I can go to a request and in right click choose copy->copy as cURL
polar quarry
chrome can do that too
arctic oracle
its only top level if nobody, including the person who wrote it, understands how it works
vapid prawn
I thought so
naive river
playing with 35 players right now, looking smooth~ 👍
polar quarry
man i can't accept that you actually use this shit
warm ravine
I don't
I wrote it to see if it was possible
I've got a script more in-line with yours that I actually use
warm ravine
arctic oracle
seeing that nobody is doing much at the moment, what is the most cheeseburgers you guys have ordered at once from a mcdonalds? i have done 14 at 11:30pm
polar quarry
what
naive river
seeing that nobody is doing much at the moment, what is the most cheeseburgers y...
omg
arctic oracle
its not the worst order i have been a part of, we once ordered 24 at midnight for myself and 3 friends
vapid prawn
seeing that nobody is doing much at the moment, what is the most cheeseburgers y...
I can't remember if the answer to this is 20 or 30
We've definitely done 30 burritos from taco bell before, don't remember if that ever came up with mcds
naive river
last night i've ordered like 18 servings of Tuna Maki Sushi...
since mcdonalds here didn't open 24/7
lyric barn
35
fossil light
real papermc hours
arctic oracle
thats impressive, did you do it in person?
lyric barn
yes
arctic oracle
how did they react?
lyric barn
they asked if i was serious
arctic oracle
did they make you pay in advance?
lyric barn
you pay at the counter when you order anyway
arctic oracle
we do now. but we didn't here till a few years ago
they used to make your entire order then you pay for it
granite viper
arctic oracle
i got mine delivered, the ones at the center of the bag were warmed by the cold ones outside
arctic oracle
well they all started warm when put in the bag, and the middle ones stayed warm
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
spark basin
!!!
acoustic burrow
I’m getting some really weird crashes after a few hours. Luckperms starts to have really long permission retrieval times. Does anyone else have this issue?
spark basin
When do you guys estimate a stable release will be released? 
arctic oracle
not running plugins at the moment, couldn't tell you
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
acoustic burrow
Ok thanks
arctic oracle
you should post a timings report
spark basin
This bot is good XD
polar quarry
When do you guys estimate a stable release will be released? <a:bc_hypecat:44746...
in the year 2026
vapid prawn
I’m getting some really weird crashes after a few hours. Luckperms starts to hav...
Got any logs for the crashes?
spark basin
You guys are working fast though so I have high hopes 
I hope you know how much you are appreciated 
(to the devs I mean)
polar quarry
what happened to the chat about food
arctic oracle
someone had a bug
i got banned from a mcdonalds once
i ordered a bigmac and spent ten minutes adding and removing things till i got a mcchicken. there was a line behind me and the manager told me to "get out and not come back" XD
feral hull
XD
fickle fossil
Am I a bit special or am I doing this wrong?
polar quarry
why not both
fickle fossil
Trying to load the #16 1.18 build in my localserver and it just.. doesn't do anything
I click my run.bat and it shuts down lmao
like it tries to load the jar and Stops
am I missing something
polar quarry
show log
vivid ironBOT
latest.log by @fickle fossil: https://paste.gg/b836b0833e904350aff9b947e1066c43
fickle fossil
wait a second
hmm
that's from last time I used my server, so it didn't even produce a log
tough bobcat
lul
fickle fossil
I click run.bat, it tries to load the jar in the little command output window, then it just closes the window
polar quarry
show window
fickle fossil
I'm trying to get a prntscrn of it, it shuts down as soon as I click it
polar quarry
i think in windows you can shift+right click in the same folder and it shows "open cmd.exe here"
warm ravine
Edit the bat file and add a pause to the bottom of it
that'll stop it from closing the window instantly
I'll place a bet that it's an outdated java version
polar quarry
I'll place a bet that it's an outdated java version
i agree with this
fickle fossil
It very well could be
but don't I have to have the right one installed to even run 1.18?
I'm running the game version just fine
warm ravine
Nah MC ships its own
fickle fossil
oh, well, let me try that
edgy veldt
Does 1.18 paper support no-tick-view-distance atm?
polar quarry
only the vanilla version of it
dense river
No
edgy veldt
only the vanilla version of it
gotcha.
polar quarry
simulation distance and view distance but not paper's no-tick view distance
edgy veldt
`simulation distance` and `view distance` but not paper's `no-tick` view distanc...
are those options in config?
polar quarry
both in server.properties
edgy veldt
thanks so much ❤️
fickle fossil
hahah, it worked
thanks guys
Does paper 1.18 include like an auto conversion for worlds
polar quarry
yea
fickle fossil
cool okay
polar quarry
all minecraft versions can upgrade old worlds
fickle fossil
i've been doing this for like. 8 years now and every time i have a question i feel so stupid lmao
I guess you learn something new every day
polar quarry
no worries, we all start somewhere
fickle fossil
playing around with this on my test server it seems most if not all plugins just Work on 1.18 with minimal errors
at least mine, but i run avg like 70 plugins on my server so, good chunk
spoke too soon lmao
dark nymph
playing around with this on my test server it seems most if not all plugins just...
Ive found that pretty much everything xcept essentialsX and Dynmap work for me
dense river
EssX has a 1.18 branch
dark nymph
Oh
fickle fossil
Ive found that pretty much everything xcept essentialsX and Dynmap work for me
i'm seeing small stuff like packetlistenerapi, holographicdisplays but i imagine it will all be updated very soon
dark nymph
Havent updated yet
peak pulsar
Yes
arctic oracle
you gotta remember, more options means more work to keep working
dark nymph
Would indeed be pog. Many of my players think I lowered the render distance from default 10 even tho i made it 12
arctic oracle
speed runners be sad lol
valid turret
I just want to thank all of you guys, for your really hard work
dark nymph
versed rain
hi, did the branch went to master ? got a 404 on the tab i left open last night 😄
native halo
my view-distance is 4 and no-tick-view-distance is 10
and my client's render distance is 16 chunks
this is my server, upgraded from 1.17.1
idle wagon
can i upgrade from 1.17.1 to 1.18 ?
feral spire
In server.properties
idle wagon
with losing any stuffs
feral spire
Set simulated distance to your OLD view distance
And set VIEW distance to your OLD no-tick value
@native halo
native halo
okay thanks
feral spire
with losing any stuffs
Make backups but strongly recommend to wait till later paper version
native halo
so paper will drop its no-tick-view-distance option?
feral spire
The risk is yours to take and you have no one else to blame if shit get fucked @idle wagon
@native halo it’s just not done yet
This is early paper build
native halo
this is a a test server, it won't hurt me, haha
feral spire
With essential patch only
native halo
just my friends and i play on it
native halo
ur avatar is cute
arctic oracle
so paper will drop its `no-tick-view-distance` option?
they are waiting on some comparisons to get done, most likely keeping the paper one they said
feral spire
ur avatar is cute
Thank you 
feral spire
No I am in US but I used to live in Asia yes. 
peak pulsar
taiwan
feral spire
Lovely to see people from all over the world here 
arctic oracle
from western canada, waiting for my euro friends to wake up >.>
thorn aspen
It's 7:30am in Europe
native halo
welcome to my island
atomic basin
7:38 am
native halo
2:38 pm
arctic oracle
10:39PM
grave charm
25:30 here
feral spire
Holdup that’s illegal
muted geyser
hey I didn't know if this was the right chat or not, but I've been consistently getting "ticking player" crashes, and I'm not really sure what the issue is. I've looked up some stuff, which hasn't really been helpful and I tried searching through this channel to see if there was anything mentioning that and I couldn't find anything so I wanted to see if anyone knew anything
arctic oracle
update to 16
grave charm
type /ver
arctic oracle
it was fixed
feral spire
You want to check and possibility update daily if you decide to use unstable builds
muted geyser
alright
grave charm
(just confirm you aren't already on 16, and this isnt some other issue)
arctic oracle
was what was said earlier, just repeating
empty glacier
Ive found that pretty much everything xcept essentialsX and Dynmap work for me
Essentials has a dev build that works
valid turret
Lovely to see people from all over the world here <:rieThumbsUp:8168047709745316...
Switzerland is here too
feral spire
Essentials works for 1.18 already yes.
empty glacier
Any extreme bugs found yet? Haven't had a chance to read over things
dapper lotus
God, I wanna go to switzerland
We've not had much snow down here these past few years
dapper lotus
So it's like, I've not practiced writing my name in a while
hexed flower
EssX has a 1.18 branch
Tested earlier and it works
feral spire
A little work from you can make desert disappear 
timber ridge
Dessert != desert
empty glacier
And my god there are so many trees in 1.18, almost always spawn onto the top of a tree now
polar quarry
And my god there are so many trees in 1.18, almost always spawn onto the top of ...
fire is your solution
marsh bay
fire is your solution
As what my friend would say, all you need is a controlled fire
polar quarry
NO CONTROL
frail cove
would switching over from the experimental verison to the official paper 1.18 when it releases be easy to do? just curious
empty glacier
California gang PTSD rip
marsh bay
NO CONTROL
"Controlled" 👌
polar quarry
would switching over from the experimental verison to the official paper 1.18 wh...
yea very easy, you'll probably just replace a jar and thats it
uneven pagoda
We don't have patched_1.18.jar anymore because server classes are now signed?
empty glacier
Yeah it's always been that way in the past. They make it extremely easy on the user
languid lodge
God, I wanna go to switzerland
It is lit, over there
feral spire
Dessert != desert
This will be the death of me
polar quarry
u have diabetes?
elfin ocean
Is it okay to use Paper 1.18 Experimental test builds for a small server with some friends? Will be a brand new generated world, what can be in extreme circumstances the impact of using already a test build now?
arctic oracle
Any extreme bugs found yet? Haven't had a chance to read over things
nothing known yet, a few crashes already squished
data from a server with nobody on it for 3.5 hours if anyone cares
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a9c41aad87d94591a9107b37a7955703
frank maple
🤔 did anyone face any bug yet
arctic oracle
few crashes so far
frank maple
🥶 thanks. was about to change to paper
arctic oracle
... what are you on now?
frank maple
vanilla
arctic oracle
i mean one of the fixed crashes actually comes from vanilla
frank maple
🤔 i thought u were talking about crashes on 1.18 paper
arctic oracle
some of them yes
arctic oracle
weren't you supposed to be in bed?
timber ridge
Can we put “stuff got broke, stuff got fixed” on my tombstone?
timid ember
will stable versions consume less ram?
arctic oracle
as has been said before, the amount of ram your server is using has nothing to do with how well it is or is not running
empty glacier
Tomorrrow night I'll try to pull 3-4 staff to run on at once. If I see flying xp ores I'm gonna rage quitep
arctic oracle
Tomorrrow night I'll try to pull 3-4 staff to run on at once. If I see flying ...
... wut?
empty glacier
Autofail
arctic oracle
your sentence made no sense...
empty glacier
I completely agree
Lmao
This is what happens when you type when ambien kicks in
What I meant to see is if I see those flying xp orbs I will rage quit lol
The ones that fly around you but yeah can't grab them
arctic oracle
thats usually due to sever lag
arctic oracle
Is it ready to be used for a normal survival server with friends?
i have been running an empty server for about four hours on #16 and it hasn't crashed yet. thats all i got
empty glacier
My ping is always around 40 tho
torn orbit
fair
arctic oracle
My ping is always around 40 tho
ping and TPS are not the same thing
torn orbit
Would you say spigot is more stable rn tho?
arctic oracle
Would you say spigot is more stable rn tho?
absolutely not
torn orbit
haha
arctic oracle
this is literally day 0, all the nasty stuff hasn't even had a chance to pop up yet
empty glacier
On 1.17 I had perfect ping and perfect tps and the xp orb floating around you all the time
timid ember
view-distance its no-tick-view-distance now?
arctic oracle
if you keep backups, i think its ok
arctic oracle
view-distance its no-tick-view-distance now?
for the moment, i have been told this may change soon
static rapids
So no major issues yet?
arctic oracle
So no major issues yet?
no REPORTED major issues yet...
grave charm
well there have been two-ish, but they've been fixed.
empty glacier
For me; in general it runs good and pretty stable . I have got into actually playing and just flying around tho
arctic oracle
who's at fault doesn't change the end result 😛
empty glacier
When you get one jar per day life is getting good
static rapids
Lol time to start building my server ahaha
empty glacier
Then one per 3 days
torn orbit
ugh idk if I should just use the experimental build or nah for a small survival server with friends hhaa
idk if I wanna take the risk lol
arctic oracle
like i said, just back up every now and then
static rapids
Yeah my sever backs up ever 24 hours
empty glacier
Does it beep
arctic oracle
24h is a lot to lose, may want to lower that for a while
static rapids
I mean apex is right behind paper they have said on live chat that it seems to be a quite stable update
Yeah ill change it
Back up ever few hours or so
arctic oracle
Apex as in hosting?
static rapids
Yeah
empty glacier
Keep one important version on your local pc
arctic oracle
Honestly wouldn't trust most hosts to know anything about stability
neon shard
^
static rapids
Lol yeah thats why I thought id jump on here and talk to the people playing it ahaha
neon shard
This is progressing much faster than 1.17 paper though so there’s that
empty glacier
Host: what can I say to make them pay me $10 more
arctic oracle
That's because they got a week head start
static rapids
Lol still no fabric voice chat mod for 1.18 tho
smoky fulcrum
Lol still no fabric voice chat mod for 1.18 tho
empty glacier
I have Iris for fabric already tho, for shaders
arctic oracle
Welcome to tomorrow west coast
lusty bison
Hello, are plugins from 1.17 compatible with 1.18? or is there a breaking change? I dont understand how plugins compatibility works but im using some from 1.16 and are working on 1.17
static rapids
Need replay mod to lol
lusty bison
:/
arctic oracle
what? were you expecting a complete list of every plugin ever? some 1.12 plugins still work
static rapids
Lol a big list will be great ahahah jks😂 😂 😂 😂
raven musk
Hey for some reason chat color name isnt working in chat (teams) btw but works for tab and above my head
same with the prefix
arctic oracle
got an error in your console log?
dapper lotus
there is an option in paper.yml to use vanilla team stuff in chat
won't work if you have a chat plugin
arctic oracle
if you don't have a chat plugin how are you setting prefixes?
dapper lotus
...
arctic oracle
you pinged the guy with no ping in his name...
raven musk
ya my bad
languid lodge
I swear to god, people are blind
raven musk
shut up bro lol we were talkin
dapper lotus
Yea, that's my issue
languid lodge
I feel you
arctic oracle
shut up bro lol we were talkin
pro tip, dont do this if you want help
languid lodge
The amount of pings you must get lol
raven musk
I was telling Awesomedude
dapper lotus
ctrl-f "vanilla" or something
arctic oracle
as far as i knew you couldn't set prefixes without plugin help, or am i wrong cat?
raven musk
use-vanilla-world-scoreboard-name-coloring:
you are wrong
testing that out rn
that fixed it thanks electronic
static rapids
So it shouldn't be hard to switch to a stable version when it becomes available
vapid prawn
Teams have a prefix option, didn't know it showed up in chat
dapper lotus
in CB it doesn't
vapid prawn
Then again teams didn't work at all in chat when I last touched it 😛
dapper lotus
Z basically shimmed it back in behind a config option a "while" back
arctic oracle
explains why i didn't know it was there
vapid prawn
Needed a component API for that and to force every chat plugin to use it
vapid prawn
Although we also thought it would be a good idea to make scoreboards a per-player thing while chat... isn't
So that would be a little weird
I guess having chat only use the main scoreboard would be a good way to ensure no one tries to use anything else 😄
arctic oracle
i mean it will break like the instant he installs like any chat related or management plugin
valid turret
Finally the Chat is dead 😂
odd stirrup
4 mins = dead
arctic oracle
Finally the Chat is dead 😂
secretly there is no more chat because you have died and this is your final dream
valid turret
Omg no please not?!