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One sec gonna get a screen shot of what is is saying for ya
That is what he is getting
To time blow away the disk and start over ๐
So it won't let him run the tool.
Where did you guys came up with those Microsoft suffixes?
is there any plugins to make player run a command by typing acustom made command like for example i want to run /server bedwars by typing /bedwars or /bw any plugins
He said he reverted from win11 to win10 and that was how this issue arised
Downgrading and windows never works well
do any one know
?
Yeah I did it once and I had to format my PC to factory lol
commands.yml? But there are also a bunch of command plugins, google is your friend
I assume it's in response to all the angry children calling chat reporting 1984 and such
One sec I got u
I knew it ๐
commands.yml won't work for that stuff
but theres like 20 dozen "slashserver type command plugins
btw what are the implications of hosting Paper with W10 or W11?
Nothing really
I mean don't run paper as admin, but otherwise is fine
outside of performance, not really much
The home of Spigot a high performance, no lag customized CraftBukkit Minecraft server API, and BungeeCord, the cloud server proxy.
So it can have a performance toll?
That is what I use.
I use skript for this
as well as the windows FS being slow
I mean I don't expect win vs linux to be that major for just general mc, like patching etc linux obviously blows win out of the water
Windows is a consumer OS so it has a lot of things that you donโt need for a server and file system
and losing access to native network IO
(just if you're given the option between linux and windows, choose linux)
By the way, when I did say concerning stuff from the PaperMC thread about the chat reporting system, I meant things like groomers (thank God I didn't stumble upon that stuff as a moderator)
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well, I mean, you lose access from players to report stuff, etc
having come across it like, 4 times
it blows ass
oh my god the rare person understanding the importance of the reporting system. Can we print this message out and hang it in the museum?
Is 10gigs good for a 100 player server on apex

depends on what the players are doing
I don't trust 10gigs for 100 players really lol
10gb memory I assume?
I didn't fully agree with it from what I watched in YT, or the backlash it got from the community.
survival: def no
hub: maybe
10MB 
At that playercount, I expect CPU to be a bigger issue
So 100 players 45 plugins 6 worlds. Mmo style
Yea, I mean, I have issues with their implementation, and some "context" concerns
YT isn't a reliable source on the matter, most YTers are jumping on the "outrage" train and making videos that tailor to that viewpoint
but, there are defo some serious issues which need addressing, servers playing bat the pedo is not a solution lol
Yeah
or, well, pass
nvm im dumb it's because when i recloned it went back to the 1.19 branch
survival?
wel it works if i set the paperweight version to 1.3.8 in the build.gradle.kts so im just gonna hope that that little fix works enough for me to try and build this
yeah
if its an smp idnt think that its enough for 100 players
so i noticed you can change paths, can i just take the java 18 zip stuff it in a folder and choose the path for multimc
Ideally if you have 100 concurrent you want your own dedi so you can do with velocity
Is this guy talking about 10G for survival in vanilla correct?
In vanilla I mean Paper, not Forge or Fabric
Yea this will work. Cat suggested it earlier
i guss so idk
oh my bad cat
frm my experience it is notenough may be mine is not optmised
if its is an smp
How much RAM are you talking about for memory allocation in said dedicated server for 100 players? I need to know an estimate and whether you're talking about one instance of MC behind a velocity proxy?
ready for a noob question lol whats smp stand for haha
yes it is a smp then
hm i even doubt if it can handle 30 players in 20 tps
with 1 hub, 2 overworlds, 1 nether, 1 end, 1 battle arena that is in its own void end
Try and see. I donโt see why not
yes damn multiverse got me lol
there better be some juicy bug here so im not doing all this work for nothing
hm not enough ram i guss
oh come on now intellij wants to index it
it is my first java server so i went plugin crazy
you should have seen me on spigots page, i looked like a junkie on Knockturn Alley
my only issue with bungee is i dont have multi server machines to run multiple servers to link them all.
btw what do you think of VentureChat as a chat plugin?
that is the wall i am currently having troubles with
which host?
vps's are better than getting a single server not sure my opinion
burn it with fire.
originally i planned to host multiple servers on 1 machine and link them with velocity/bungee
how are u going to keep ur server 24/7
oh just keep my server machine awake or in lock mode
Sadly it's the plugin with the best swear filter options. CMI's swear filter is too cluttered.
that is how i do it now
i just hit win11 + L key and my server stays running
it locks the pc but doesnt put it to sleep
off
By cluttered I mean I have to make a whole section for 3 word swear words, 4 word swear words and so on.
Just be aware that VC is held together by prayers, duct tape, and spit. The fact that it still works as well as it does is frankly a miracle
use greifpreventions word filter
Gross! And I can see that, its reload command doesn't work and crashes the plugin!
it works great
i actually went into bedrocks word filter file and just scooped that like and put it into griefprevention and now i cant even say "crap" on my server
it is better than 10gb in 1 srvr like many srvrs dnt use high resources like pvp etc smp uses heavy resources cus of heavy chunk loads
I made my own swear filter which doesn't block swear words but more serious things like epithets and slang of sexual context
ADMINS can i post my word filter list here?
And children under 13 can't legally make a MC account, let alone an email address, without a parent's email address.
my list is meant to be child safe so i robbed bedrocks lol
Oh ok
I mean I'd choose a chat plugin that does chat properly, and then get a seperate filter plugin
Automod is crap
I mean
and hlp ful thing is we have to type in all formats
it's only generally a feature of literally every basic moderation bot
oh dude i use discordsrv and to play on my server you have to link your discord. And on my discord rules state you have to follow discords legal rules to hold a valid account
of which often generally offer a bit more control
I mean it's certainly better than nothing but it's very all or nothing, a bunch of servers I'm in had to turn off one of the 3 word lists because it was too aggresive
eg swear ,s wear,sw ear,swe ar, s w e a r,swea r this is the only problem now
ys but it is easy to add in auto mod for lazy ppls
just need to add auto dectection those patterns
discordsrv also sends the chat into my discord so i can hit the search filter and find out if people are being pervs and then if they are being pedos i can report tthere IP muahahaha
I mean don't get me wrong just like mojang's chat reporting I'm glad Discord has finally got their act together somewhat, just it's not...great
licks codex
wat
don't
who wanna be emailed I need to test mail server
Burning? He's sub zero!
There are email test sites you know
codex rolls around in poo before cat can lick him
here email me no-reply@localhost
arl lemme send mail there
I mean, for some people, that's what makes the experience, not a deal breaker
hahahaha
what in the RP hell is going on
papermc general
xD
gmail is too smart
almost
somebody earlier was saying that I was such a sweet person
and I really don't see it
yeah you haven't been seeing much of anything since your cat blinded you
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I need to come up with a suffix to use here....
that song speaks to me in volumes, i need caffeine
seems good
have you tried snorting it?
I would recomend starting at 100mg per
woah what the fuck
caffeine doesn't really work for me
Like
I slam down a can of monster and have the nicest sleep ever
wait i think its literally overflowing in the padToFullSector() function
There... I'm now a Microsoft puppet
how in the fuck
lmao
i gotta figure out what that region file actually has
well this has basically our entire main city so i cant really delete it
maybe i can try using worldedit to copy it back
worldedit backup thingy and //restore
actually first ill look at it in nbt explorer
yeah
wait what
didnt know there was a //restore command
you need to provide it the correct folder structure to work, etc
but, I used to abuse that thing heavily for one of our servers map as it was custom gen'd and only sane way to restore large areas
that wouldve been easier than what i did before when i had to restore a couple chunks from backup
i spun up a test server with the backup world and then saved schematics of the area and pasted it in the main server
Because weird music jumps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vjkh-acmTE
I sorta agree what it's being said about VentureChat
its reload function crashes the plugin
that single region file counts for like 70% of the entire world size btw
to be fair, pretty much all chat plugins are ass
So each time I update the swear filter, I have to restart the entire server.
can't wait until vic gets carbon stable
itt: we bully vic
Also is CMI even worth my money?
oh wait there's two of them
I mean, CMI is a weird one
many people who use it love it
many people who've used it say that it's a bug ridden mess
CMI is one of those "you either love it or hate it" plugins
Far too large of a plugin for 1 soul maintaining it really, and so they only really focus on one area of the plugin at a time
The only drawback of CMI I see is its config files are cluttered... EssentialsX is leaner.
CMI in general is cluttered, it's trying to do the jobs of like 10 plugins
and so you can end up with stupid bugs in some areas for a period of time jsut because the dev is surving with issues elsewhere in there
I mean, part of the thing is that those 10 plugins are generally not really backed by big spigot
nbt explorer literally says its not even a valid region file
it's 2 bloody gb
Do you know of any land claim plugin that works exactly like GriefPrevention?
One of the servers I visited had a GriefPrevention alternative that had the same features.
hi
see this giant rectangle? that's the section of our world that's in those two broken region files
this is not fun
worldedit will probably crash the server tryhing to restore all of this at once
I mean, back in the day I used AWE
and then I'd literally walk around with a powertool lol
//chunk
//restore
what font gives the cool not equal sign?
oh its just jetbrains mono ligatures having a stroke
wdym
good idea, i think regular worldedit can handle one chunk at a time
actually i might use a test server and then just copy the fixed region files from that test server
hello @spiral robin
hi :D
best @spiral robin
yes

What kind of power tool? Like a drill or a saw?
Done... I changed my pfp
So like a week or two ago a long-term forecast was saying it would get up to 40 degrees in parts of the UK and everyone was like "oh that's just one model it'll never happen"
Kawaii uwu!
what?
And nobody took Paper-chan as pfp so I did ๐
Looks like you're seeing new things on your computer
er fuck ton of entities?
That's istat menus, showing the weather
it's currently 30c outside
Isn't it F?
yes
btw do you consider 25C warm for an A/C's thermostat?
I mean, you set it to your needs
like, depending on what you're doing, a warmer temperature might be more ideal, especially depending on environment, etc
Are you an ice cream?
if you're in a room which is humid af 25c is gonna kill you more than if you're in a dry climate, etc
36 starts to be warm but I die at 42+
what the hell
Well the city where I live is usually humid...
yea, 25c is probs a fuck that then
but, I mean, depends on needs
smol people generally need it hotter
You are trying to match, the temperature with what your body feels
as a bigger person, I'm enough of a radiator
god, reminds me of my mates gf
she was literally always cold, and never wore a jacket, etc
Well surprisingly I don't feel too warm on those A/C settings despite of my thick body frame
5'10" at 220 lbs
and so it'd be warm af and she'd be turning off the cooling cos she was cold
meanwhile everybody else is reaching for the mop to clean up
5'8'' 120lb
and human readable values?
So cold kills me
SPEAK AMERICAN
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no please no barbaric units
We don't need no britishan
1.70m
Sorry i'm not European
Do you use kilograms?
I use the 'normal' units ๐
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it's like ..half an elf?
YES
wasn't alf an alien?
look at bloody mr worldwide here
btw if I run a server whilst on a girl skin, would I be a magnet for simps?
Especially considering my current IGN is Dessibelle
120 pounds?
1.70m 120 pounds, soso
People will place their bed next to yours!
I'm more or less a simp
when your minecraft gf respawns at your friends house
my GFs always spawn at the /spawn ๐ญ
online-mode: true best option 
rip bozo
Someone who talks to mojang needs to suggest a native NPC entity โค๏ธ
oh,y ea, I was gonna thingy but I like, distracted and melting
Haha
I also have like 10 other somewhat easy things that would be nice 
its a bit old
I mean, it'll work, for probably like 10-50 players depending on settings and such
how much ram?
I heard players don't like world resets according to my cousins, so I wonder what would happen if I do the exact opposite of seasonal wipes
What would happen if I never reset my world in open multiplayer?
It's nuanced
people hate losing their builds
but, depending on gamemode, people get bored
Resetting the world & providing a download to the old one seems like a good compromise in my experience
like, best in the middle is generally gonna be ^ or having a world specifically for resetting and letting people tear apart, etc
ofc, doesn't entirely solve the "stuff is old" factor, but does let you allow players to keep their stuff safe in one place but also have a world which people can explore, etc
also if you never reset you will end up with a world thats missing a lot of new biomes at some point.
You can always expand of course, and the blending actually looks quite decent, but at some point it will just get too big
Another drawback of never resetting that I found is it can take more walking to get to build somewhere, even with reasonable RTP settings
That is ofc without disturbing other people's builds.
restoring 25 million blocks at a time with worldedit is not fun
Does anyone know if there are any existing plugins for sending sounds to players from velocity/bungeecord?
There are servers out there that have been running the same map since 2011, so its definitely doable though
FAWE 
I mean, thats part of why people go for stuff like plot worlds, etc
do you think i should, im worried about it possibly causing corruption but maybe i have to
you know what im gonna do it anyways
I think FAWE is fine. Its not as safe as WE, but its also not going to corrupt everything it touches.
But I also got muted on the Purpur discord for saying the exact same thing, so yeah 
lmao
i hate how on jenkins, the latest "stable" build is not the same as release build, but thats what i always think
oh great now another outofmemoryerror from worldedit
I personally have used FAWE since 1.13 on both production and non-production servers, and the worst issue I ever encountered was broken heightmaps, e.g. rain in some peoples houses (and possibly broken mob spawning there)
i havent played on a server with it since like 2016
although i dont play on those kinds of servers much anymore unfortunasteley
I don't like it from a game design perspective, but from a technical pov its alright
Never understood how to play with it tbh
It took me months to understand MCMMO gameplay though
Only thing that I managed to understand right away was the free glowstone that you get from digging sand.
ok now i cant find the setting in fawe's config to enable snapshot backup restore, maybe ill have to ask their discord server
wtf is up with mojang and censorship
they apparently have a bad word filter for nametags on bedrock
you just do your thing, level up your skills and you can get double drops with chance and cool abilities that recharge every once in a while like fast break
Bedrock is kinda ehh anyways
oh great when i was trying to restore it using regular worldedit, it started logging in coreprotect
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there was like 2 major lock plugins around that time
people generally just jumped between whichever one was being maintained
ok with fawe it took basically under 60 seconds
The other one was LWC which is maintained even to this day.
oh god, when oing large stuff you really need to just whitelist and disable coreprotect lol
hopefully theres a way to prune coreprotect since a certain date
god now i have to restore entities since they all fell through the world when i was restoring chunks
gotta love the acronym of coreprotect
co
1.6 million pages from coreprotect, i did finally disable it before restoring it completely with fawe
but thers that much left
I found... a Lockette fork of sorts that's updated from 1.16 all the way to 1.19
It's called LocketteX
lets hope you have a mysql database and not .h2, because otherwise it will just die when trying to purge that
I never liked Lockette, the signs are ugly imo
I don't know of a good locking plugin tbqh
I use BlockLocker, my players hate it (not that I think it's bad, Idk myself)
I think LWC is fine
LWC is seamless, only problem is it places the protections automatically and apparently I'm the only server owner who knows/is willing to set it up so players will have to manually place the lock.
Was gonna say, you can disable that
ik
mine is mysql but i didnt shut it down in the meantime so idk if restoring a backup of its files will mess anything up
idk how to prune items newer than a certain time, i only see how to prune ones that are older
I never used CO, but if there is a "before" selector im sure there is one for newer items as well
there doesnt seem to be
are biomes stored in a different file or something
thjey are all wrong
did fawe not copy the biomes
there is a flag to not copy biomes, -b iirc, but copying biomes should be default
ah no, for //copy you need -b to copy them
... but for //paste, -b skips biomes. Very confusing
yeah uh weith //restore it doesnt do it by default
I need some typescript, react help
but if i do -b then it causes an error 
i already sent the error in the fawe discord, just gotta hope someone can answer
ill see if i can somehow copy just the biome data by itself from a test server
nvm
The snapshots are just zipped worlds iirc, so you should be able to load that
yeah you dont have to zip it though, so i just copied the world and put the right folder structure
anyone know any plugins/code i can change that stop pigmen from dropping anything?
i probably couldve avoided all this if i just used my test server like i did in the past
You could make a little datapack to change the loot table for them, that would be the cleanest solution
https://misode.github.io/loot-table/?version=1.19&preset=entities%2Fpiglin
Very useful tool imo
(assuming thats the right mob, just select a different preset in the top right if not)
If you check the ... menus on the left & right you can also create a project, save your loot table & download the finished datapack/project
it worked with a schematic ๐
nice
btw what do you guys think about these 32x32 texture packs?
Like... for example the ones that claim to be an upgrade to the default textures but nothing else
Give or take the Faithful texture pack
Tried them but... made me grow so accustomed to it that going back to the default 16x16 textures felt a bit too pixelated
default or gtfo
oookay...
i use default because one day when i was still a 1.8 player i didnt install a pack and just decided to keep it that way
This new or am I blind?
1.19.1 isn't out yet so I dunno
Maybe they're going to release it finally?
They are either going to release it next week or they will release its second release candidate.
But it's coming.
that's been there for weeks
before they went back to pre releases even
Luckily they're mostly after truly toxic or potentially dangerous players, very long before an average Joe or Jane who just uses their swear words alone, according to the FAQ.
Things like... pedos, ppl who ddos, ppl who dox!
And few other things that practically are the bottom of the Minecraft barrel.
Just don't try to get nudes or tell people 'kys' and you'll be fine
waits for a mod to tell me about getting automod flagged
Was literally just gonna say
That too... sexual solicitation of any kind (don't even joke about asking people to subscribe to "your" OnlyFans)
Just imagine you're talking to a 10 year old and/or at a school
Or around that annoying younger cousin that follows you everywhere and asks his mom about 'getting lit' after hearing you and your friends ๐
And ew no... I know very well I don't send or tell ppl to sign up for anything like that, and in fact I had a pedo in an in-game guild back in maplestory who admitted inadvertently sending some picture to an underage girl and he paid the price.
Although in general swearing and talking about drugs or alcohol are fine, just don't brag to randoms about it or make fun of someone for not doing it
Well there's even a drugs plugin for 1.19.x
Yeah... I don't think that's ever been okay
Unless your server is a whitelist server with verification for age, it is generally not a good idea asking for nude in Minecraft - a game rated for PG and known to have a lot of underaged players
This should be common sense
Though if you do /discord verification... it's yet another layer of age verification
send noods
Huh, in theory you could argue the EULA gives Mojang permission to use code from any mods without asking or paying for it
That's "content available on or through our Game"
not really
A parent or guardian can make a Minecraft account to someone under 13, but signing up for online services oneself does require them to be at least 13 or older due to COPPA regulations.
COPPA has some of the same issues as GDPR as far as compliance, in theory even storing IP addresses associated with usernames is a violation if you can't verify the age of the user, iirc
btw I'm still the legal owner of my then 12-year-old cousin's MC account.
You can't just say your server is meant for 13+ either, Minecraft is clearly aimed at children
So you need to do extra work to filter them out
Hey Eternity & Electrioniccat, the java 18 issue was fixed. I had him do the path directory with the zip since he killed his java.
Still, I didn't enable a full-on profanity filter but instead a filter that mostly targets epithets and highly explicit chat, partly due to that kid who started the no cursing club at a school.
A kid who became the most cyberbullied kid in America
I do sorta feel it's partly his fault.
Oh I have a full profanity filter. But it just tells you to watch your language though.
What I did for mine was use the equivalent amount of asterisks for each expletive.
Any Mods you create for the Game from scratch belong to you (including pre-run Mods and in-memory Mods) and you can do whatever you want with them, as long as you don't sell them for money / try to make money from them and so long as you donโt distribute Modded Versions of the Game. Remember that a Mod means something that is your original work and that does not contain a substantial part of our code or content. You only own what you created; you do not own our code or content.
I'm proud of my 89 character regex + stripping accents code to filter this one word, works pretty well
Ah, right, I forgot they explicitly called out mods
Yeah that works as well. But I did the full removal of the comment so that if I I see a bunch of asterisk some kid or whom ever doesn't put 2 and 2 together and fill in the blank.
I suppose datapacks and resource packs are fair game though?
Or do they count as mods?
Builds are definitely fair game
Cause something like this
"What the **** is going on"
Is easy to know what word belongs there
And I don't want some kid to be subjected to anything that can damage there childhood on my server.
Plus discordsrv sends me what the players were trying to say. Incase they were being sexual towards anyone.
I only ban players that are pervs or witch hunters.
Oh and people that use xray
But that's all you can really get banned for on my server.
Witch hunting(targeting someone due to there race, sex, creed or religion)
I just use paper anti xray lol
I agree... Orebfuscator anti-xray is an FPS bomb even for a computer with a GTX 1060 3GB
And I was the more fortunate one who was on its 6GB version unlike a friend of mine.
Which Paper's anti xray engine do you use though?
the random block place one
So engine 2?
ye
And yikes! I can't do IP bans if that's the case.
why cant you do ip bans
I don't think they will ever enforce that
wait
the tcp connection has both the ip address and is associated with a user
Same with running 1.18+ Minecraft which doesn't longer have the option to turn off snooper on neither client nor server, but I see a lot of 1.18+ servers so it's something rarely enforced then.
Yet I need IP bans, or otherwise I'd wind up with at least half a dozen of players attempting to join with disposable alts after getting banned.
Speaking of which, is AdvancedBan a good plugin in your opinion?
long shot, but is there any documentation for forge 1.8.9?
snooper is fine, they anonymize the data
have you asked forge cord?
Forge has documentation? ๐
that server exists?? I've been looking for it
rule 11 is not to ask about old versions
That's generally true for everything, yeah
understandable but a bit frustrating lol
some example here https://github.com/TheGreyGhost/MinecraftByExample/tree/1-8-9final
I'm not sure what MinecraftByExample actually is tbh
Especially something like Forge where they've done like 4 rewrites since 1.8 and a large chunk of the "API" is just whatever MC internals look like at the time
it's some sort of examples for forge from what I can see
I guess I'd say learn how to mod modern stuff to get familiar with Java and Minecraft code then you should be able to figure out 1.8 on your own
I'm someone who can only learn by doing stuff I actually want to accomplish, and I just have nothing to do for modern versions
But 1.8 is just so... bad
learn JIT
absolutely not
if java gets to compile during runtime I get to learn as I make something
If you don't know Java making Forge mods is probably not a good place to start
If you do know Java just go look at some old mods and figure it out
definitely not
I mean learning the api
Forge API is mostly around registering things, doing stuff is all MC
quite fun learning that everything needs to be executed in the main thread and spigotcord doesn't like multithreading
I mean it's fine enough, it's not the most impossible thing in the world
Recently had someone try and convince me to put my SMP on 1.8 for the "better PvP mechanics"
I didn't know what to say.
I know a fair bit of C++ to help guide me, and anything I don't know I can usually look up
Pride is not limited to one month...
aggressively using JNI?
but pretty much the only actual thing I need from forge API is an event listener on the inventory (and possibly mob deaths)
Yo imma let the mods handle this one.
@true canyon uhhhhh
Not really sure what that's even supposed to mean, tbh
But I guess <@&748618676189528155>
Where is Michael?
I'm lazy and/or a jerk ๐
is this guy being a shit?
Yes
Seems that way
!ban 967590037556441148 Bigot
:raised_hands: Banned HyperShade#3252 (Bigot) [1 total infraction] -- ocelotpotpie#5943.
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so much faster than me
The irony of the dude going " ๐ค "
I thought you were gonna beat me.
I started typing but then forgot how to do it
Need to selfbot and get some modded UI in there to let you just click
@magic river ur a mod now lol
Oh now I need 2FA ๐
wow promoted
Wait I didn't have 2FA already?
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woa
Congrats
Congratulations AMAR
I just won my match! ๐
think I broke the rules with that, supposed to be a vote
Now when are those dev promotions SMH ๐
if you don't wanna be a mod then I can remove it
you're just frequently here so why not
You trying to hint at something?
I guess we can see how it goes ๐
Sadly not 
I'm confident no one will be concerned about me rando promotion amar lol but dev promotions are a bit more meaningful
sry
lol well yeah

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But congrats Amar, I see you here alot anyways. ๐
Discord really wants me to get attacked by a SS7 hijacking
They seem very pushy about enabling SMS backup for 2FA
just accept all
I don't see how that could go wrong
No no, my days of PR wrangling are long over for MC stuff ๐
I think I actually have a letter somewhere telling me I have to stop
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creative mode is lots of fun once you get an nbt editor
i made a spawn egg that spawns an instantly exploding tnt minecart
sometimes all the forking in mc servers jars make me concerned

stick with Paper it will never go wrong.
well you dont need creative either, soo ๐คทโโ๏ธ
You need creative to create the items
just use 1 command and give it to survival players
Or commands whtaever
well paper eventually might be another spigot kind of thing and people move to a new fork
will be fun
Only time will tell, hopefully not tho. ๐
im creating it in creative mode without any commands
I'd like to think paper has a future ahead of it ๐
like all the forks built ontop of forks seem scary lol
thats why i said no op needed
๐ Cool
Well it all gets handled relatively nicely in the end
compare the size of Paper vs all forks, it is hard to see it tbh.
hows viable is fabric in the future
Executable Items go brrr
Fabric is for stuff that needs client mods
Yeah kinda a different realm
Canโt compare em
Like, you can have server only mods but usually not
Use fabric just for iris shaders
is sponge even alive?
not really
last time I check theyre still on 1.12.2
Paper client...
They've had more or less working builds for the past few versions
Not what Iโm saying amaranth
1.12 was the last time they had something complete enough to get much use though
Iโm saying in an abstract sense, paper is just like forge/fabric. Itโs simply modifications over the vanilla server. Itโs just that paper has had >5 years to improve and work on the serverside api for developers, so thats where the developers had gone.
If by Fabric you mean Starlight, Lithium, etc then sure
Otherwise Fabric and Forge don't even try to do the same things Paper does
They mostly focus on the points of contention between mods, if you can do something without running in to nasty conflicts with other mods then they don't put any kind of API on it, you just go do it
They donโt โtry to do the same thingโ but they are the same fundamental idea: lets make changes the the vanilla server/client
Bukkit tried to be a complete wrapper around the game
You have to jump through hoops to talk to internals
Yes, but fabric is working on the same thing
Forge/Fabric working with internals is expected, how else are you going to do anything?
both of them are building out apis just like paper?
Forge has had ambitions of doing a more Bukkit-style event setup and such at times too
But it never really goes anywhere
except paper focuses serverside api, fabric/forge focus clientside
Yes, because their target audience has been client mod developers, not server mod developers
they both have APIs for a lot of things
With Paper if you want to change what happens when you break a dirt block with a diamond shovel you use an event handler to change the outcome. With Forge you make a new block or tool
but that isn't their primary way mods interact with the server most of the time
esp not for anything big
It's not going anywhere anytime soon
Thats just because forge was never intended to be for the vanilla server space, had it been, there could easily be apis for that
like forge has event listeners
but not nearly as many as paper
afaik fabric does too
yes, because they are not targetting serverside vanilla game changing, they are just aiming to make adding new game mechanics easier
spongeforge is an implementation of the sponge API on top of forge
Yeah they have some for the most common pain points or the stuff that's easy to maintain
generally, if you want an API for forge, use sponge
And sometimes people come along and PR some new ones that get accepted
But then an update makes that event hard/impossible to port over and they just drop it
who is they in this case
Lex
Thats not really related to what Iโm getting at?
Thats just lex not wanting to keep backwards compatability
Lex is the they in all cases for forge
I thought we were talkinhg about forge and fabric here, so had to clarify
fabric is a whole different ball of wax
the fabric API is an entirely separate project outside of the fabric mod loader
and the way they operate is entirely different
they are building out a "fabric stdlib" but they way they do it is broken up into a bunch of smaller modules, so you only depend on the part you need
I don't have any idea why though because it's all just minecraft
not like rust where you're targeting different platforms, but in any case that's how it is
I don't know either, what I'm getting at though is that somebody determined could come along and make a server modding api for Fabric or Forge, and keep it crossplatform, (if someone really liked one of those platforms that much)
that API is called sponge
it's not on fabric yet I guess but it's designed to be modloader compatible and absolutely could run on fabric if someone built the impl
Yes, the original statement was:
Fabric is for stuff that needs client mods
that statement is not true
and I'm saying it can and does run server mods, and is completely capable of running a server
it's a generic modding API just like forge
thats what I've been trying to say ๐
lmao coreprotect throws an NPE every time you kill a citizens npc
I have no idea what statement you're responding to then
sounds like you should make an issue, not post it here lol
.
I've been replying to this message
trying to say it is possible
its just that paper was started years ago where these mod launchers werent really in the place they are now, and now it is completely reasonable to make a server from fabric
it's a common use-case, but in general he likely means "mod loaders" rather than fabric. That said, fabric is a more lightweight platform for client mods than forge, but that's a different discussion
vanilla mod servers are extremely rare, before you comment saying it's possible
it's possible but no one does it or cares
Yes absolutely, fabric is much younger, and as such, it hasn't had nearly as much added to it
paper is essentially a vanilla modded server
paper is not a mod loader
I'm using specific terminology here that has specific meaning
Yeah, I understand
mod = forge/fabric
plugin = paper
but realistically other than the wording the addons do the same thing, they add functionality to the game
(in an abstract sense)
obviously mods are made for client side modification, and plugins are made for serverside modification
hopefully that makes sense
issue has been created
in normal conversations with people outside the know "modding" is typically the generic term, sure
Using that term here though will only cause confusion
yes
If paper was just a plugin loader it'd be about 1% the size it is now too
It's more than just a plugin loader, more than just a wrapper around every part of the MC server, it's also a replacement for about a dozen mods you'd otherwise have to install for various perf, exploit, etc things
And has some perf and exploit fixes that don't exist outside of CraftBukkit/Spigot/Paper
Yeah itโs a lot of things all together in one package! ๐
Yeah, the way paper is done has pros and cons
Of course, nothing is perfect
if you really think about it
paper is basically a modpack
lmao Paper is itself
it's not a modpack and it's not 'just' the vanilla server software
it lives somewhere in the land of modified server software
Minecraft++
ah yes
that's funny when reading but for real? xd
yeah
no source there
real
never liked Spigot much
what happens if spigot suddenly shutdown 
you can't shutdown an open source project
paper would continue
^
and fix a lot of stuff they dont like
;)
read earlier for: md_5 is king
theoretically yes, at the moment however we're trying to maintain compat for spigot plugins.
one day that might change and we'd be free to do whatever
I say drop it and make paper a brand new server software
Honestly happy you can register chat/message types without needing datapacks
That's called a hard fork, and yes it's been discussed for years, but it's a incredibly major decision that can't really be undone, so here we are for now
And specify their formatting somewhat
wait that sounds exciting
now i hope spigot go down
oh yes obviously if spigot were to up and die, that would make the decision incredibly simple, and there would be much rejoicing (from the paper team at least)
๐
Well yes, but it doing so would mean no more "is it time" discussion, because I can make the educated guess that that is a not-infrequent topic in the internal channels
Each paper core team member needs to be sent a fork with a paper logo engraved on it.
Not a paper fork tho, we all know how paper straws areโฆ
I'm gonna write a blog post about the whole ordeal I had earlier today about fixing my region files
however you would pronounce the hawaiian island
or the disney character
Well when I first was server owner I didn't know what Paper was, so I wound up using Spigot.
I just had a big brain idea, since Java uses a call stack and infinite recursion can produce a StackOverflowError, why not when any method gets called in the method Java checks the CallStack if it has the same name and if it does, it doesn't return and doesn't remove from the CallStack and repeats. It would just change the data in the callstack
because the whole point of a stack trace is to see what called what?
btw who came up with this part in eula.txt?
#You also agree that tacos are tasty, and the best food in the world.
Z750
I see a foot
How the hell did someone get the
sound clip added to dota2?
Apparently teams and casters got to put in some vanity chat sounds and Into The Breach used theirs for ayaya and uwu
Surprised that got to stay around though
Welcome to AMC: Powered by Paper version 1.19.84 build 84
And soon... A Microsoft police officer from its gaming department will knock on my door and say that I had 7 counts of stealing NFTs and will send me to Roblox and Genshin Impact.
The last one came from a 100 days stoneblock challenge.
@real zealot good morning bb
hold up, YouTube lets you add alternative audio tracks to your video now?
so you can effectively make dubs for your video without uploading multiple of them
that's dope asf
I just found this out while opening a MrBeast video and suddenly I just hear a brazillian voice 
yeah, mrbeast used to have them on a separate channel iirc
cool that they're integrating that into yt itself now
mfw DVDs have been doing that since inception
well, yeah, VLC too 
HDR is stupidly complicated
I'm not sure if your blurays are even doing it right? Some of them probably are
Just going "here have some 10 bit color channels" isn't enough, they need to include a way to adjust it for your screen's peak brightness and dimming zones and such
psh, back in my day, the only "dimming" zone was "off"
They mostly support HDR but not full dolby vision
It would not be very difficult for youtube to support it better, they just won't
because youtube
Good morning, I want to go back to bed. ;-;
6am: wake up
7am: go for a shit
7:30am: get up out of bed
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/53h69h/an_old_man_and_his_wife_have_gone_to_bed/ - I was tryna find the applicable meme jokery thing for that, and, that's the best I got in return
(DiscordBot) An old man and his wife have gone to bed. : Jokes - 18 comments, 542 points - No_Mercy_4_Potatoes, 5y ago NSFW
Cat posting nsfw in general, smh
psh, that's like, pg13 at worse
unless you're like, sheltered kid, and then wtf are you doing on discord, didn't yo' mama tell you to swab the deck and clean the dishes
Huh, supposed leak says Intel's GPUs will be about the same price and performance as a 3060Ti at the high end
Although it's supposed to have more transistors than a 3070Ti so... oof
I wonder if it's just like AMD stuff where raw perf is amazing but either not applicable outside of HPC and/or the drivers aren't good enough to make use of it
The A380 has apparently been a bit all over the place but overclocks well
Although for at least some games all the OC was able to do is get it to actually be competitive with the 1650 like Intel claims it is
But again, on some other games it does just fine against the 1650 so.... drivers
It'll probably be great on Linux ๐
ยฐwยฐ maybe
Is there a national holiday coming up in the Netherlands? They got flags like everywhere
Or is that just normal
Not that I know of
Idk what the right side is, lmao
Literally in the middle of nowhere rn
sounds about righ for drenthe
That's the state, right?
province, yeah
But what's with the farmers?
You eat too much potatoes
New nitrogen emission policies that they don't agree with, they were/are protesting by blocking highways and distribution centers
clearly the best way to get people to like oyu
well, apparently police fired on them
Just protest for weeks on end
Ah so same shit as back home
Protests are like everywhere in the world
To my knowledge one police officer fired shots on a farmer
was one shot I believe
Cool
oh and they visited the home of the minister in charge of said policies
also an absolutely brilliant way to get public support
Remember, the best way to protest is by breaking the law /s
XD
You always get behind
I mean I upgrade every 3-5 years so yeah.
It's just about time

noob java question, but I'm a little stuck on something
let's suppose this: class A extends class B; class B extends class C; I want to do an equality check between class C and class A. how would I go about this?
an equality check? you cant. (unless you make their .equals true for that.) I think you want instanceof, you could do c instanceof a
won't C instanceof A always return true?
is that not what you wanted tho?
if class A does not extend class B, then it will return false
I need to check if class C is equal to the base for class A, if that makes sense
idk it shouldn't matter too much
If their class C properties are all that matters, only defining equals and hashcode in class C to check the class C properties would work
well it's classes that are directly in Minecraft, so I don't think I can modify them like that
it doesn't matter, it turns out the event I was looking at only fires when it's a player picking up items, so I can just compare names and be done with it
Compare names?
Your comments have been so vague every message it's hard to figure out what you're saying and thus hard to help appropriately
yes, they are separate config options
is this xy?
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/noencryption.102902/
Wondering how Mojang's going to fight this
Itโs a useless plugin because atm chat encryption wonโt even effect spigot / papers current messaging system
I mean idc if it works, I just wonder if and how Mojang would get rid of it
Because I love drama I hope their solution involves server blacklisting ๐ฟ
me too
Funniest part is the dev is asking donation to fight censorship while the plugin isnโt really doing anything / needed on paper/spigot
To โfight censorshipโ 
I'm trying to figure out what censorship is happening too 
He must have some serious censorship in his pocket
Iโm depressed because he probably already got more donations than I did maintaining a free plugin with hundreds of thousands of downloads over the last 6 years lol
guess they never heard of public obscenity laws
Once 1.19.1 drops people won't be able to try grooming kids, threaten other people's lives, or other such things. It's a true tragedy!
Maybe VeinMiner should start fighting censorship too
You know guys you can always donate to my GitHub sponsors if you don't hate freedom
The Mojang paychecks don't cover everything
NOOOO. However could the mc community survive after that
Remove people who shouldn't be in the community like smh
Time to rebrand vnp to vnc. VanishNoCensorship!
+1
Mini shouldnt come to US then.... we have canned bread

but no kinder eggs because dumb kids 
WDYM THAT SHELL ISNT EATIABLE
@mossy vessel good morning my nmf
eastern canada has bagged milk
still confuses me
good morning aber
must be those weird French canadians 
For the record, we have canned rats
what the fuck
Bagged like...in a bag?
We've in Germany just the usual "tetrapack" packs, composite of paper and plastic
Bagged milk is milk in a bag
It's candy... but those are rats still!
Wow
mind blown
Dafuq..why XD
Isn't it vulnerable to any light damage?
no its strong against light damage
Oh ok
me drinking my milk in pure darkness
you need water or holy damage

but how do you get the milk out of the bag without spilling it everywhere
they got pitchers for it
cut the corner 
so you need an extra tool, how stupid
this has been a very educational chat today

I just drink straight from the cow
lift the cow up and hold it above your mouth
Our cats did that very often!
Err..without the lifting part ofc
Wait what? Iโve never seen thatโฆ
B&M Original Brown Bread has been served to families across the country for decades. This shelf stable bread has a two year shelf life from the date of manufacture, making it a pantry staple for generations. Spread B&M Original Brown Bread with cream cheese, peanut butter and jam, or flavored che...
mmmm bread
does bread even have cholesterol?
Thatโs horrible
40C you say
aircon goes brr since 8am 
I'm good
Barely bearable to go outside, aircon best investment I made for the summer ๐ฅถ
how much it cost you
too much
wait till you get the power bill too 
those things eat electricity like champs
I calculated around 300โฌ extra/month, used to be around 240 last year
yeah seems about right
continuing #paper-dev
I mean it would be a cool addition/feature idk for the resource packs to load without a loading screen
But hey, office reports 22.2C while the storage room is about 33 
either you do that with an ez screen in place so you can focus cpu/gpu efforts there, you stall the rendering process, or you try to do it live and make a shitshow
i mean i wouldn't mind invisible textures for a split second, if that's even an option
I mean, ofc, the ideal thing in general is that mojang would fix their damned code
so that even with the loading screen you literally see it for a few ms for the simplistic of things
heard that
loading screens of 3 seconds or more
are likely to cause users leaving e.g. a website
Well, the client freezes, you can't really leave 
That was a feature actually before 1.14
yeah not really applicable in this case xD
no it wasnt then the whole game just froze without a loading screen even
issue is that the client gets so busy churning CPU cycles that rendering a basic screen is gonna save you in many respects
Do you know if Minecraft supports loading worlds from FTP?
Trying to do so with world container
disabling rendering when rebaking those resources is generally a good idea
but, er... like, I mean, ideally they'd just not take as long
Currently working through a containerized server setup, I want to load the world from a remote location
I don't have access to the container itself, so I can't mount a NFS
FTP is a bad idea as it doesn't have any of the basic general features region files expect, etc
I need something that's easy to maintain and cheap to implement




