general

[void void]

Are terrain generation mods such as Terra (which is available as a Spigot plugin) too game-altering for a vanilla survival experience?

[modern bone]

"Vanilla survival experience" immediately rules out terrain gen mods

[lament patio]

In my experience, players that are looking for a vanilla experience are really not fond of custom terrain gen and will leave quickly

[coarse lily]

I've had different experiences that that. Sometimes it just means "not a lot of plugins".

[modern bone]

I usually call that vanilla+
Not sure if I would call a terrain overhaul that

But anyway, I really like terra
haven't really tried playing a survival playthrough with it though

[warm anchor]

Vanilla experience to me is flying into void chunks, name tagged mob randomly disappears, tps below 10s,

[void void]

Yikes!

Good thing I saved my seed before experimenting with that.

[lament patio]

Bonus points for running the vanilla client, at a third of the framerate

[warm anchor]

Oh yes

[modern bone]

https://github.com/Bloom-host/Petal

👀

Who's going to tell me how good/bad this is :P

[lament patio]

My players

Only half kidding, might put it in there and see what happens

[void void]

What happens if I put server difficulty on Easy or Normal in most multiplayer server models?

Would that be too easy for multiplayer?

[lament patio]

There are some farms that rely on higher difficulties

Other than that, honestly, the game is very easy even on hard, especially on multiplayer where ppl tend to cooperate

[void void]

Hard is already easy enough, but Normal or Easy would be like kid mode then

[rotund cargo]

async pathfinding ? Reminds me a lot of problems... BUT if I'm nice with them I could also say that an Akarin dev updated their patch for 1.19 and runs it on a private server but to be honest I have no idea if it works or not.

Lets be ignorant

Ok they added the multithreaded entity tracker

They have no idea of what they are doing; they would if they at least read what Paul has said about it...

[void void]

Could a badlands at 0,0 seed in vanilla survival be too hard for many players to escape spawn and get established in my server?

Its surrounding biomes were savannas which didn't have a lot of trees or food, and deserts.

[modern bone]

Are you saying kevin has no idea either?

Cause pufferfish+ does the same
But that's a paid fork

This one is open source

[coarse lily]

Let's be nice to people and not claim someone has "no idea what they're doing" based off a feature in something they've written in a fork.

[void void]

Consider that was a server where people were allowed to steal from other bases and not replant.

So food was actually harder to find.

[warm anchor]

Minecraft isn’t hard…

Put your spawn in the middle of big ocean if you want harder experience

[novel horizon]

Minecraft is, unfortunately, quite easy

But the biggest problem is that you need to put your goals

Also I came here, does that https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/customcrafting-advanced-custom-recipe-plugin-1-16-1-19-free.55883/ look like decent choice? I'm thinking about either using villager for trading or just creating own recipes for few things 🤔 And this one is open source too, hmm

At CoreProtect page? O_o huh

Is it time to switch to Prism already? 🤔

Is there any good alternative? Or is Prism one of the best? ^^

[true canyon]

Where are you seeing that?

[novel horizon]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/coreprotect-tnt-log-tnt-creeper-explode-source.69609/

[void void]

Paid forks lmao

[true canyon]

Oh, that's not coreprotect that's an addon for it

[novel horizon]

Oh, lol! I'm dumb, sorry

[true canyon]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/coreprotect.8631/

[novel horizon]

Somehow it came first for me

Yeah, got it

Anyway, is Prism better or? It doesn't matter? 🤔 I have heard about it, but kinda didn't want to delete CP

I have no idea how it came first, lol. I just looked for it, got it and suddenly see that, didn't read anything else ^^

[warm anchor]

They both have their own set of quirks so it’s down to your preference

[novel horizon]

Damn, that's too bad

[rotund cargo]

Pufferfish+ has another patch, there is no way they used that buggy one without AT LEAST editing it

He knows what he is doing

[novel horizon]

I guess I'm with CP for now, I kinda liked Prism when I tried it, but not really a reason to switch to it suddenly and delete whole CP or so

However I'm not sure about the custom crafting pl, if I'll just use villager trade or recipe 🤔 Recipes are a bit too much for a few things like that

I'd just like to allow people to use invisible item frames or light blocks

[tropic flame]

I must say, there comes a point where forks become ridiculous, and I cannot quite determine if this one's the case

what does this fork even do, iron out the performance impacts of Purpur's patches? 😂

[modern bone]

Same as pufferfish+ atm, but open source

[tropic flame]

"fork of Purpur where we delete Purpur's patches so we're basically just Paper"

[novel horizon]

It says async and multi-threaded tho, so it must be good

[modern bone]

I've still never seen actual proof that purpur is slower

[kind pivot]

What??

[modern bone]

Pufferfish makes jar as a selling point for their hosting service
competing host also makes a performance jar but open sources it

[tropic flame]

I think Paper existing makes sense - Spigot started becoming too conservative with patches, a fork was made
then Purpur I guess has gameplay-related patches that Paper's not focusing on adding since it's more of a performance fork (??), so it makes sense
after that point, just contribute to Purpur/Paper if you want to make it faster idk

that's my way of thinking

[tropic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-14574338

[modern bone]

I believe bloom has stated they would be willing to merge into paper or purpur

[kind pivot]

Huh? Completely irrelevant to the topic

[modern bone]

How so

[kind pivot]

This one

[modern bone]

Oh, yeah

[tropic flame]

oh I just read that rn

let's make another Torch

brrrr

eh but I guess judging from their readme they're not interested in just new Thread()ing everything

so it might be fun

[rotund cargo]

I mean idk if you can trust Paul when they test stuff #748023548467216397 message
I haven't tried verifying this so idk too

[tropic flame]

🤔

[dry tusk]

link isn’t available

[rotund cargo]

You must be on Airplane discord

[tropic flame]

oh okay

[dry tusk]

ah

[modern bone]

Is that all just a singular test?
No multiple runs?

[tropic flame]

let's see then

[modern bone]

I haven't done one of these in a while, but here's a straight benchmark of Paper vs Airplane vs Purpur with Timings included: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JiD6MPgEvumiY4zXgELrwix4j36-PyYbX9ZPtNAkDJw/edit

Summary for this benchmark is:

• Airplane is 21.9% faster than Paper
• Airplane is 10.1% faster than Purpur

Obviously this is a single benchmark setup, as always numbers will vary given your setup.

[rotund cargo]

idk

[modern bone]

This is the message that url links to

[rotund cargo]

yeah but idk if they did anything else

[modern bone]

I imagine run to run variance would be pretty large here

I guess also pretty outdated by now

[rotund cargo]

true

[modern bone]

29 sept 2021

[limber knot]

also there is almost zero info on th setup they used for benchmarking. the least I would expect is the world seed used (if they used default configs, otherwise also the configs)

also "View distance is 4, no-tick is 7" seems a bit unrealistic if the goal is a server that is actually playable in survival but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess that one's up to personal preference

[rotund cargo]

With 200 players it was ok to have these values but for 50 I think that's not realistic

[limber knot]

tbh if your goal is normal survival then you are going to look at sharding way earlier than 200 players

no matter which server software lol

(and with "normal survival" I mean Vanilla-like mob spawning)

[charred sleet]

LOL

PaperSpigot

[modern bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839815787467898910/992853637862797342/Fork_Graph_Simplified.png

[limber knot]

it's called SpigotPaper smh

[modern bone]

Now make a circle with petal added

[cunning raft]

Fork graphs

[modern bone]

https://smhsmh.club/forks

[warm anchor]

[rotund cargo]

I think they should update this to 1.19 aswell

[lament patio]

I feel like those arrows could at least be a little more organized

[modern bone]

The point is to be chaotic

[lament patio]

Fair, lol

[warm anchor]

We already have enough of low quality information let’s not fan the fire

[worthy geode]

Petal can handle 3000 bees with barely 50mspt, thats all I needed to test

while just Purpur was at above 100mspt in this very scientific and animal-friendly test

[modern bone]

Not the bees!

[worthy geode]

I tested frogs first, and they are horrible for performance. also all the quacking

[modern bone]

Lemme guess, the frog jumps are just as fun as the goat jumps

[worthy geode]

Yes, a new pathfinder for every part of the jump. and because its a new pathfinder, mojangs caching doesn't even work

and it also checks some weird neighbour blocks because they are amphibious, making it even worse than goats

[twin lagoon]

new mobs are stupidly complex

[worthy geode]

tbh I expected the bees to be way worse, they also seem somewhat complex

[rotund cargo]

axolotls moment

[rotund cargo]

Update: Kevin merged those patches: I'm a FDP as we say in France 🙂

[modern bone]

Fils De Pute = son of a bitch

[cunning raft]

Wow that's crazy are we really back to dogshit fork drama

[modern bone]

is there drama?

[vernal moth]

It's just boring

Also I find it funny that people are just copy pasting patches around in a circle now

If that new bases itself of Purpur, and Purpur copies pufferfish patches and pufferfish copies patches from the new one, it's a really nice circle

[warm anchor]

Glad that Paper aint doing that

Mini also....

[vernal moth]

I don't like to run in circles, I get dizzy!

[worthy geode]

Kevin just added those patches to Pufferfish

you got the circle now

[warm anchor]

|| go pack for your vacation ||

[vernal moth]

I did most!

It's also midnight, lol

[warm anchor]

Just bring yourself in!

[vernal moth]

Plus friends say they wanna start at 12

[warm anchor]

and required ID ofcoz!

[foggy silo]

Oh wow, kevin moved the multi threaded tracker down. wowwy.

[vernal moth]

So I would have had ample time tomorrow

[warm anchor]

hahaha

[foggy silo]

Oh wow that's confusing

[modern bone]

I have no clue what this all means
but the circle thing is funny

[foggy silo]

I thought he had his own async pathfinder

[worthy geode]

only in pufferfish+

[mossy vessel]

You need to take your ID?

[modern bone]

in his closed source paid fork yes

[warm anchor]

I forgot mini is not going to UK

[worthy geode]

Still waiting for benchmarks there

[warm anchor]

so he may not need his ID

[vernal moth]

Just ID, no passport

[rotund cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-aww-man-sing-dance-moves-happy-dancing-gif-14763027

[mossy vessel]

If you don't leave the EU you don't need one to pass possible borders

[vernal moth]

But I carry my ID everywhere

[rotund cargo]

We should make a remake of that song for forks xD

[mossy vessel]

Though that is not something you want to forget

[warm anchor]

my ID is with my phone

so if i lose my phone I lose both

[rotund cargo]

can translate if needed

200 cows pigs

1. Pufferfish before the merge
2. Petal latest release
3. Pufferfish after the merge

[foggy silo]

Basically, faster?

[warm anchor]

did he spawn 1000 cow?

I need a test with 5000 cows for it to be accurate

[worthy geode]

not testing with 3000 bees smh

[rotund cargo]

Not yet (he wanted to sleep xD)

[warm anchor]

no it has to be cow to be accurate

[worthy geode]

but bees more cute, more better

[foggy silo]

screams in french!!!!!

[warm anchor]

has to be 5000 no more and no less

[rotund cargo]

Goats, frogs and axolotls to be 100% accurate

[worthy geode]

I did frogs & its not improving anything there, they have different issues

[lament patio]

Test needs to be done with the whole map on fire to better represent the average minecraft server

[worthy geode]

they are also annoyingly loud, I still have the quacking sounds in my head

[void void]

no, that's just yatopia

and it's purely visual, just restart the server!

[rotund cargo]

Time to put a server on fire

[grim tulip]

anyone know a discord where i can request services and stuff?

[void void]

helpchat or spigot forums

[grim tulip]

kk

[vernal moth]

Man, am downloading stuff to my tablet and my access point is NOT happy

It's making weird noises and is really hot

Wtf ubiquity

[rotund cargo]

Fan speed going at 100% ?

[vernal moth]

And like, it's just one device downloading at 100mbit

There is no fan

[rotund cargo]

OOF

[vernal moth]

It's just coil noise

[worthy geode]

maybe it needs a fan

[vernal moth]

Coil wining

[worthy geode]

and RGB of course

[vernal moth]

That's the term

It's enterprise hardware, lol

[rotund cargo]

I cooled my laptop charger with a water bottle above it as it was way to warm xD
1,5L of water for 20cm² was the most and only one effective water cooling I have ever done

[thorny totem]

screams in quebec!!! 🤣

[mossy vessel]

Where are you going that you need to download something? 👀

Don't other countries do inherently better with internet than the dumb german one

[vernal moth]

Am not sure about the wifi for our cabin

It's in the middle of nowhere

[rotund cargo]

With your accent it's always funny :p

[vernal moth]

(intentionally)

And I just started watching the boys

Heck, i wouldn't even mind if we had no internet at all

[thorny totem]

lol yeah agreed

[vernal moth]

Would be kinda chill

[mossy vessel]

I wouldn't survive that

[charred sleet]

turn it off then

lol

[warm anchor]

what season?

SHIT IS EPIC

[vernal moth]

I just watched first ep of first season, lll

[rotund cargo]

Also, stop translating titles from cool movies x') 🤣

[vernal moth]

I like the vibe

A bit sexual harassment, a bit anti capitalism, a bit blood, can't complain

[warm anchor]

homelander is best representation of USA

[vernal moth]

No spoilerinos

[warm anchor]

I mean he wears the cape!

[worthy geode]

you are like the 10th person saying that, maybe I should watch it

[mossy vessel]

Not only because of the cape

[warm anchor]

yes you should

if it is good enough for a weeb to take interest

its good enough

The last TV show I watch is Doctor Who btw

(not the newest one, we do not talk about the newest doctor)

[vernal moth]

I finally gave in and so far it seems cool

Not sure of the wife approval factor tho

But am single so idfc ^^

[rotund cargo]

shhh as long they don't know

[thorny totem]

ahahah sorry! Blame our television/cinema companies that manages "dubs" 🤣

[rotund cargo]

xD

[modern bone]

You should, I held out pretty long too
it's a good show

There is def some gore though, so if you mind that then don't watch lol

[vernal moth]

You know, enduring a dub is a choice

[warm anchor]

ewww dub is often bad

[vernal moth]

Go watch more OV to make your voice heard

[warm anchor]

a lot of thing cannot really be translated and represented properly

[vernal moth]

Unless OV is in weeb lang, then just run

[modern bone]

I'm a fan of watching with the original audio and added subtitles if needed
With any media really

[worthy geode]

sounds good to me, I don't like happy-sunshine-everything-is-good series

[vernal moth]

German dubbing is reeeaaalllly good

I still prefer OV

[warm anchor]

original VA + subtitle is always the best way.

if you cannot just understand the language.

[modern bone]

Oh, yeah that it's definitely not

Lol

[vernal moth]

But well, wife approval factor had me forced to watch dubs

[warm anchor]

Yes Malfrador go watch it.

[modern bone]

The first episode quickly establishes that

[thorny totem]

sometims in quebec their movie translation titles is poor FR vs QC titles doesn't match, lol

[vernal moth]

Subtitles fucking suck

[worthy geode]

I don't like subtitles, if I want to read I read a book

[vernal moth]

If you can't understand OV, why listen to it?

That's stupid

[worthy geode]

japanese sounds funny

[warm anchor]

tones and voice acting is huge in those mini

easpeically if you watch anime holy fucking shit the dub is so bad I want to puke

[limber knot]

I tend to watch stuff with OV + english subs, helps when I miss stuff while eating/doing other shit lol

[modern bone]

Because whatever it is, original audio is what the authors intended

don't you dare watch new kids not in dutch

[warm anchor]

is that a challenge?

[vernal moth]

No, dubbing is part of the industry

[modern bone]

The voice acting is half the charm of that movie

[worthy geode]

I try to watch stuff with english audio when possible. the German dubs are almost always really weird

[modern bone]

luckily not so much over here
I know germany does it a lot though

[vernal moth]

The movie company has to carefully record sound for dubbing to work properly

[limber knot]

Dark is the only recent show I watched in German lol

[rotund cargo]

I always prefer hearing that reading when I watch a movie.
With the Code Lyoko fanmade series I have no choice 😭 (Portuguese or English)

[limber knot]

I can't watch RL dubs anymore because the lips just don't match :S

[worthy geode]

im too blind or stupid to notice that

[modern bone]

I mean, sure?
If you want to have an experience that misses all the funny quotable shit

[vernal moth]

Then it's a bad dub

[limber knot]

yes, like everything on German television/cinema

[rotund cargo]

That is what I was thinking

[vernal moth]

A good dub has the same sillables

[worthy geode]

It just feels way less emotional and engaging than english dubs for me, somehow

[vernal moth]

And German cinema has good dubs

[limber knot]

nobody does good dubs anymore, maybe marvel but I don't pay for a dub lmao

so the only dubs I see is shitty tv stuff that my family watches so...

[worthy geode]

tbf the issue with the TV stuff isn't just the dub

[limber knot]

7also the fact that there's only like two dozen German voice actors is really strange when watching stuff lmao

[vernal moth]

Wat

[worthy geode]

time to become a VA!

[limber knot]

like I used to listen to audio books back in the days and the same voices are still in every major german dubbed movie/show lol

[rotund cargo]

We have the same issue in France.

[limber knot]

really breaks immersion if you associate the voice with a certain charakter

[rotund cargo]

true

[limber knot]

at least with actors you know... but hearing the same voice on different actors ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[worthy geode]

sometimes actors have a fixed voice actor, at least well-known actors do iirc

[limber knot]

yeah, that's just never the case for random netflix stuff though, only really big actors have fixed ones

and it's even more annoying if they switch up voice actors between parts lol

still like the original German Jack Sparrow more than Depp's normal voice actor in part 4...

[worthy geode]

they did that? oh no

[limber knot]

yeah, the voice actor used in 1-3 wanted too much money or something? not sure anymore

part 4 was different enough anyways for it to maybe work but it was reeeeaaally weird at the time lol

[lilac moon]

why tf does the beacon beam end at y=1097

what is special about that number

[grim tulip]

https://discord.com/billing/promotions/N5X5fdWAczuWZEEZr2BZSM2R

if anyone wants i cant claim it lol

i already had nitro

[void void]

pretty sure it was 1024

[worthy geode]

on x/z its 1342

[lilac moon]

there could be some mod i have modifying it but at in that screenshot, it ends at the top of 1096.9999999

[worthy geode]

might just be a case of a mojang dev using a number they liked back when they added the beacon

[lilac moon]

wait no one claimed it already

i thought someone would have by now

it says i already have had nitro so i cant claim it though

[lilac moon]

wdym on x/z

[lament patio]

I almost claimed it, but I'd need to have a payment method added

[worthy geode]

from the side, the beam in theory is visible 1342 blocks away. which is not achievable without mods tho

[lilac moon]

interesting

[void void]

Is hardcore mode too extreme, especially in multiplayer?

[worthy geode]

Banning players for dying seems kinda counter-productive if you want to maintain a large playerbase. but other than that, no

[void void]

Well in its vanilla state it's permaban upon death practically.

[wide chasm]

If you want to do hardcore on multiplayer, I'd recommend resetting the died players after some time, so they can join again (starting from nothing again of course).

[worthy geode]

you could also do seasons or something, but yeah, with just vanilla you end up with less and less players

[void void]

And allowing spectator can lead to a phenomenon called ghosting.

It would need to be a full on ban to avoid this to happen.

[quaint geyser]

Though you could force spectators to be inside someone with a plugin and don't allow them flying freely

[worthy geode]

There are also other options to make vanilla more challenging and punishing if you are a bit creative

[void void]

No natural regen! Mwahahahaha!

[wide chasm]

So, UHC

[worthy geode]

no dropped items on death would have been my first idea, but yeah

no chests

[void void]

UHC is usually a minigame but I've yet to see a full on UHC survival.

And then again it would have to be made available as a side gamemode as part of a network or as you said I'd wind up with less and less players.

[simple garden]

Just out of curiosity. Say I have 2 machines run a server on each and 2 other pc's not running servers and I lan connected them all together. Would I put the local ip of each server in or would the 2 servers clash with each other over lan

[void void]

You cannot run two servers on the same port under the same WAN IP.

And two servers on the same LAN gateway will too cause to clash.

[simple garden]

So how would 1 run multiple servers on 1 lan connection

Or is that even possible

[void void]

You need to have each instance of a Minecraft server including proxy on each different port.

[simple garden]

Oh. So I could have 1 server on 25565(default) and another on say 25566

[void void]

Yep... but if I do Bungee or Velocity, I typically do 25565 for the proxy, 25566 and so on for the actual Minecraft game servers

For networks I typically like Velocity since it's said even by a friend to be more performant than Bungee or any of its forks

[simple garden]

I have velocity I just didn't attempt to set it up yet.

I still have some reading to do before I go poking about

Could I use something like Hamachi for the ip proxy?

Or would that not matter

[candid nacelle]

I mean I would just use the os loop back 0.0.0.0 adress

[simple garden]

oh. that seems easier lol

[lilac moon]

circle in minecraft

[hazy badger]

Yo guys

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/upgradeable-hoppers-fast-hopper-plugin-link-containers-item-transfer-suction-chunk-1-19-support.69201/
Does something like this seriously saves or it just uses more then the one it saves?

[warm anchor]

ask the plugin author? it's a paid plugin

[hazy badger]

Asking the plugin author it's like asking ferrari if their car are the best

or asking mcdonald if they are the best fast food around

[warm anchor]

no way for anyone to tell anyway that's not open source

[hazy badger]

I see

tysm

[hazy badger]

i have another question

[waxen panther]

are you actually having hopper performance problems

or are you trying to preemptively solve something

[hazy badger]

i don't, i just receive a suggestions from a player

and it had a lot of up votes

so i was just wondering

[hazy badger]

Yeah sort of

[waxen panther]

Yea nah leave it until it’s a problem, performance plugins are usually pretty bad

[hazy badger]

Yeah infact

I have another problem tbh

When player try to join in 1.19

some of them receive this problem

"this server requires secure profiles"

What's wrong with it?

[candid nacelle]

@notch ban them

[lilac moon]

true

[lament patio]

Are they joining with an older version or with a mod like NoChatReports?

[lilac moon]

I can't find this on the mc wiki, how do you /give a light block with a specific light level

[warm anchor]

/give [player] light{BlockStateTag:{level:<light_level_value>}} [amount]

[lilac moon]

thanks

[candid nacelle]

yeah they are good for blocking block placement'

[lilac moon]

Today I have a player doing some un-asked-for testing to see if they can op themselves while only using creative mode and command block nbt

luckily you can't place a command block without op and a command block minecart doesn't seem to work

not sure how they made a spawn egg that spawns a command block minecart

oh apparently you can literally just set it in the egg nbt

[golden gust]

I hate computers

I hate spinning rust

[coarse lily]

Oof.

[lilac moon]

is that a dead drive

[coarse lily]

Probably.

[golden gust]

Looks like a bad sector

am pulling data off it and shoving it into a dd file

(that way I can just dd the disk back assuming imma have to replace the thing, hope to got fs recovery works, woo...)

[lucid fjord]

any1 know some good combat log plugins for 1.18.2

[quaint geyser]

#paper-dev gave me inspiration to think it over again
would it be better to have a plugin running with an API client with a websocket for other stuff on the proxy and all servers or just use PDC and messaging channels as much as you can

[golden gust]

depends on needs

message brokers are generally better for various reasons

depending on needs, many of the larger networks have their own REST services

[quaint geyser]

yeah well thymeleaf's pretty annoying so i was also thinking of ditching any public web pages and just using discord for UI

but that'd be horrible if sth that I'd need would come up and discord wouldn't be able to handle it

or even passing passwords through discord

[vernal moth]

I wouldn't use thymeleaf for UI

Just do it via modern web technology like Nuxt or next

[quaint geyser]

asp has lovely templates

[vernal moth]

Am saying all templating languages like that aren't worth using anymore

[quaint geyser]

the thing is i personally despise JS xD

[vernal moth]

Unless you have a small and mostly static site I guess

Use TS then like everybody else

[quaint geyser]

JS and its whole family*

but I'm getting closer to thinking it's inevitable

[coarse lily]

For some frontend interaction stuff it's probably inevitable. But not at all for anything else.

Lots of other options.

[vernal moth]

It's also not as bad as you think it is

[quaint geyser]

maybe it isn't

it's just the people i met that were using it

were.. well let's say special

[coarse lily]

Javascript is one of the most popular langauges.

So not really sure what you're talking about there.

[quaint geyser]

well one person in particular but yeah let's just ignore them

and this type of memes doesn't help xD

[golden gust]

yea

and prostate exams are a pretty common procedure

[coarse lily]

Not from people at the corner store, cat.

[golden gust]

wait

fuck

[coarse lily]

No matter how many times they tell you

[quaint geyser]

After my recent mental breakdowns with spring I thought of asp with angular perhaps, but i'm like completely blind there xD

[vernal moth]

Angular is reaaaallly weird

While I don't like react cause jsx, I at least can understand the appeal

Angular however, idk man

[agile portal]

isn't angular kind of dead nowadays

[hazy badger]

Yo guys

Any help with this spark please?

Like, my server is not lagging but the average mspt is 30

and probably today we'll reach 100 players

and i want to fix any occasional lag

https://spark.lucko.me/wU4SgHhr6j

Profiler with ticks only over 150

[vernal moth]

Wow, I just read, yesterday 13:00 Germany set a new record for solar, 40+GW, satisfying 80%+ of the power need at that time

[abstract aspen]

Denmark made 107% of its power demand as renewable power yesterday.

[limber knot]

time to build AC into every home in Germany amirite?!?

runs

[abstract aspen]

I sometimes go sit in a couch inside IKEA for a few hours when it's too hot outside cause no aircon at home atm.

[vernal moth]

Heh, well, it's much easier to produce 3GW ^^

Germany needs 500 times that

Your stats also seem wrong?

[abstract aspen]

Daily

not monthly

Source is here

https://www.iea.org/reports/real-time-electricity-tracker?tracker=true&from=2022-6-18&to=2022-7-18&category=demand&country=DEU&fuel=Renewables

[vernal moth]

That is for every day of the month

https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DK&chartColumnSorting=default&interval=day&day=m07

[abstract aspen]

Both sites source from entso-e

[vernal moth]

Ah, I see what's happening

They include export

So like, if you export 20% of your energy, they set production to 120% and thus can reach 107% renewable share

While still having fossil stuff

[abstract aspen]

Idk if any of them are "More correct" or if it's just different ways of looking at it

[vernal moth]

It's just different

I was just confused why you can have 100% but still fossil stuff

[worn ember]

Germany: Fire up the coal plants!!

[vernal moth]

Most of our power production is on shore wind actually but ok

[worn ember]

doesnt change the fact they're gonna turn coal plants back on to support demand as they close nuclear plants

they do the same here

except its gas burners

[abstract aspen]

According to the site I was using it's also only 14.3x more power you guys need.
but population is also 13.27x more

[vernal moth]

Sssshhh

[abstract aspen]

I'm still surprised people are still afraid of nuclear plants aren't they like the safest/cleanest way to make baseline power?

[vernal moth]

Vs

[worn ember]

yup

[vernal moth]

Only if you ignore the issue of you know, getting rid of the waste

[abstract aspen]

Afaik getting rid of the waste is already solved

[vernal moth]

It's not

It's really not

[worn ember]

well ours reached end of life here pretty much, and they're extremely expensive to build too

[vernal moth]

Nuclear is also fucking expensive

Go ask the french

[worn ember]

well they're investing heavily in nuclear rn

[vernal moth]

Gov needs to rescue the company that runs their plants

[worn ember]

they're also looking in fission, but rn it takes more energy to maintain the electrofield than it generates power

[vernal moth]

Well, the whole EU/world is wrong on that

[worn ember]

fusion*

[vernal moth]

It will most likely be the solution but we are always 20 years away from it

But till then, we gotta use wind and solar, and where applicable, water

[worn ember]

50 years last iheard

solar and wind arent the solution though, you can't have a stable net with just those

[abstract aspen]

just dig a really deep hole? https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/developing-the-first-ever-facility-for-the-safe-disposal-of-spent-fuel

[worn ember]

out of sight out of mind

[vernal moth]

Yeah I wouldn't call that a solution

[worn ember]

[vernal moth]

It needs upkeep, some day in the future a new trump will come and say, why are we wasting money on that, the scientist only want to scare you, we can just let it rot

[worn ember]

i'm not opposed to nuclear but the waste is kinda yikes, though they've become insanely efficient

[vernal moth]

It needs upkeep, some day in the future a new trump will come and say, why are we wasting money on that, the scientist only want to scare you, we can just let it rot

Kek no internet

Guess I just crossed the border

If starship comes online, it might be easiest to just shove the waste into the sun

[abstract aspen]

1000 years later "Sun has started spraying nuclear waste our way"

[worn ember]

it already gives us cancer anyway /s

[vernal moth]

That's what the sun does

It's always throwing radiation at us

[abstract aspen]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to slingshot it into deep space or just into the moon

[vernal moth]

That's why we got an atmosphere and why you can't survive on mars

We produce 2000 tons of nuclear waste per year, starship can launch like what, 80 tons per flight?

Maybe I overestimated 😂

[vernal moth]

100 tons to LEO

[vernal moth]

Their offical site still says 100+

[worn ember]

rocket explodes now half the continent has radiation rain

[abstract aspen]

Fun

[vernal moth]

When was the last time a falcon exploded on ascent?

That's extremely unlikely, even more with starship

[worn ember]

only takes one

[vernal moth]

Well, that's why we stopped nuclear over all here ;)

[worn ember]

same, except now they realized they're missing like 3GW of power

15 years late ofc

[abstract aspen]

Bros are missing our whole countries worth of power

gg

[vernal moth]

Well, one wind turbine is what? 3MW?

[abstract aspen]

just build 1000 wind turbines?

What then when they wind doesn't blow or blows too much?

[worn ember]

well we put them on sea where its pretty constant

but still, not constant enough

[abstract aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/it-fucken-wimdy-its-fucking-gif-24928261

Offshore turbines be like

[worn ember]

best way is to have giant "batteries" like lakes and stuff that you can use for storage and then use it to generate electricity in peak hours

but they're not super efficient

moral of the story is always: takes more energy to get it there than you get back out of it

[abstract aspen]

How does that work when it's like freezing outside?

Pumped storage

Does it just not?

[worn ember]

its not usually that cold here, but yeah it can happen that shit freezes

[abstract aspen]

Would've been great if it had been the other way around

[worn ember]

only top layers though

[worn ember]

yeah then we wouldnt have this whole conversation and we'd have free power

sadly the universe said no and fucked us in the ass

[vernal moth]

Apperently there is a turbine that does 12MW

So 3MW seems the lower powered on shore ones

Offshore seems 6KW

Ok internet is back

Am now in the Netherlands

You noice that because suddenly everybody hits the breaks and goes at half speed

[abstract aspen]

Apparently there is also a 14 mw prototype

https://www.offshorewind.biz/2021/11/12/worlds-largest-most-powerful-wind-turbine-stands-complete/

[vernal moth]

Wild

[abstract aspen]

108 meter blade

sheesh

222 meter rotor

That's nutty

[vernal moth]

German engineering at work ^^

[abstract aspen]

in collaboration with the danes

prototype offshore wind turbine at the test centre in Østerild, Denmark.

[vernal moth]

Ye

We don't have much space off shore really

[limber knot]

when there are skyscrapers a kilometer high a wind turbine with 100m blades doesn't seem so insane anymore imo lol

[abstract aspen]

I always get dizzy when I look at really tall buildings

like standing at the bottom of them looking up

[worn ember]

except when you think about the huge forces involved

buildings are made to be sturdy strong structures made of heavy materials, you basically need to do the same for wind turbines but everything has to be extremly light to not crumble under its own weight and be strong enough to deal with the wind forces and centrifugal forces on the blades

but yeah modern tech really is a feat of engineering

[vernal moth]

We don't have materials to withstand the forces of a large skyscraper, that's why they are all build to move a bit

[worn ember]

well yeah, its better to move with it than to break trying to withstand it

theres actually skyscrapers with huge balances/weights in them to counteract this phenomenon

[abstract aspen]

I know a guy that builds offshore windmills apparently that pays really well

[simple garden]

So i run a mmorpg style server, is this something good to add to it?

[worthy geode]

I know im late, but interestingly enough, no. launching something into the sun requires a very large delta-v, because you basically need to slow down completely from earth's orbital velocity. so even starship probably couldn't do that for more than a few hundred kilograms with one launch. throwing nuclear waste out into deep space instead would be way easier, because you only need to accelerate your spacecraft a bit

[worn ember]

First we ruin or planet, then we litter our orbit, then we fire nuclear waste into space 🙏

we really are such a good species

i honestly wouldn't mind if we make ourself go extinct lul

[worthy geode]

yeah im not suggesting that we should start throwing our garbage into deep space

[abstract aspen]

Then in thousands of years some aliens will come and be like "Yo bro why you littering nuclear waste into my galaxy"

[worn ember]

or imagine it hits one of their spaceships at thermal velocity and see it as an act of war

[abstract aspen]

gg

[worthy geode]

a few thousand? more like at least 30.000. at least thats when the voyager spacecraft get close to anything out there for the first time, and I doubt our garbage will be faster

[worn ember]

that'd be funny though

the voyager taking pictures of a planets surface and its littered with plastic

[abstract aspen]

Just get pictures back of turtles with straws up their noses.

[worthy geode]

they ofc won't have any power then. But the golden records should survive quite a long time, and I think thats pretty cool. they might even survive longer than humanity

[abstract aspen]

Depends when someone decides to nuclear bomb earth ig

[worthy geode]

im honestly more worried about external factors than humanity destroying itself completely

[worn ember]

"completely"

[worthy geode]

well, yes. still could be very terrible of course

[void void]

Is petal an another yatopia?

[worthy geode]

no, it seems fine

at least people who developed stable performance forks like Kevin have said its fine

[modern bone]

Kevin even merged it into pufferfish lol

[void void]

kevin pulled in so🥷

[simple garden]

We should build a paper station and take all paper users there and colonize kepler-42b and rename it Papertopia 😄

[golden gust]

majority of nuclear waste is low level, sits around and gets thrown into land fill

rest of the waste is reusable in new-gen reactors

[modern bone]

I don't like that he rebranded the patches to pufferfish though
that seems a little disengenious

[golden gust]

meanwhile, you need like, 4TWh of renewables to equal 1TWh based on current usage

[simple garden]

they should just toss all waste at the sun to be vaporized.

[golden gust]

and we're hardly replacing the nuclear reactors we let age out with renewables

[simple garden]

or toss it at the black hole in the milky way

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUODXeAM-k

[worn ember]

is that the nuclear wate barrel from satisfactory lmao

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Uranium_Waste lmfao it actually is

[worthy geode]

this is harder than it sounds, read my message 10 messages above ^^

[worn ember]

just make it self sufficient, make a nuclear reactor in the rocket that flies into the sun

[worthy geode]

Nuclear rockets sound really promising, sadly development there stopped in the 60s after some experiments

[foggy silo]

Yooo of course it is

[worn ember]

i think its just too complex to feasibly fit onto a rocket

[worthy geode]

make the rocket big!

[worn ember]

omg true!!

you solved it

[worthy geode]

but nuclear reactors also fit into submarines

[simple garden]

my bad dude, i didnt see your message. But i just read it. Ive always assumed they could just send something aiming at the sun and call it a day.

[worn ember]

yeah but those dont fly

[golden gust]

I mean, general casual reminder that the ONLY reason nuclear waste is an issue

[worthy geode]

yet

[golden gust]

is because it's the ONLY energy source in which the waste is contained

[worn ember]

that makes no sense

[golden gust]

We don't care about the waste of gas generation/coal because we can't contain it

It just ends up in the atmosphere

[worn ember]

well yeah we also dont get radiation sickness from those lmfao

[worthy geode]

I just don't feel like all the complicated technology and safety considerations for a nuclear reactor is worth it if we can get energy for free from the sun, wind and geothermal tbh

[golden gust]

We generally stuff the solids of coal, etc, and shove it back into the ground, noting that it's generally much more radioactive vs what you'd get sitting around a dry cask

geothermal isn't cheap to access

the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow

We don't know the environmental impacts of offshore wind farms

[worthy geode]

but usually on of those three things happens

[worn ember]

its not free though

[golden gust]

We need reliable generation or a fuckton of storage

and, right now, renewables piggyback off the worst storage mechanism that there is

[void void]

What's your personal take about modded Minecraft in servers?

[worthy geode]

fine for servers with friends etc, makes no sense for public servers due to the higher barrier of entry imo

[void void]

Cuz a friend of mine is neither too fond of modded as long-term fun, nor he believes you can grow a modded server as easily as semi-vanilla.

[void void]

that

[golden gust]

modded servers cater to a specific niche of players

[worthy geode]

I would agree with him

[golden gust]

and unless you're using a prebuilt pack which people are seeking to play on a server, you'd be stupid to do it

[worn ember]

launchers are a thing

[golden gust]

Like, maybe as a fun thing on the side for the downtime when you don't wanna deal with the public server and just kick a tech pack or whatever with a few friends, but, for the most part, not worth it

[worn ember]

its 10x easier than it used to be

[golden gust]

Still a general PITA

[worn ember]

not really

[golden gust]

Like, the launchers make it easier but it's still not super amazing to get into unless you wanna spend much time reading

[worn ember]

download launcher, login, select pack, let it download, join server

[worthy geode]

its still significantly more effort than just copying an IP from somewhere and joining directly

[golden gust]

I mean for custom packs it's a PITA

[worn ember]

well yeah

[void void]

And even then... you still need a computer powerful enough to run its mods.

[golden gust]

for the goto generic huge ass packs it's easy to join, you've just actually gotta find people who wanna join

[worn ember]

but do you have this? yeah thats what i thought

[golden gust]

and the packs themselves are often golliaths with 200 dozen things installed which may or may not play together all too well

[void void]

btw my laptop was able to run MC at perfect 144Hz in vanilla without manually enabling my NVIDIA graphics for Minecraft.

But try modded and I get 1 FPS

[worthy geode]

you got a 144hz screen in your laptop?

[void void]

Yep

It came with 144Hz internal display

[worthy geode]

Never really got the gameplay, but its very well made (and has a very nice sysadmin of course )

[floral lily]

hey! i was wondering if anyone had a good idea for the amount of gigabytes of ram you’d need for a hub server

because i really just need a backup one

[worthy geode]

1-2 GB? if you just need a backup, does it need to be a full hub? could get away with just a limbo server

[floral lily]

i’ll make a limbo server

thank you for the idea

a hacker crashed my main server while i had like 8 people on it 😤

[worthy geode]

I have my doubts that you need a hub for the grand total of 8 players 😛

Yeah, its absolutely a good server. I just personally also find vanilla pretty boring, so it just doesn't appeal to me

[quaint geyser]

vanilla died years ago

*IMO*

[worn ember]

i havent played vanilla in years

[hazy badger]

any help?

this is a better profiler

https://spark.lucko.me/rpLE2HNF5B

i mean, it has more players

[lament patio]

Paper forks like Purpur are not supported

[hazy badger]

i see

ty anyway

[worthy geode]

but tbf for 85 players that looks pretty good

[hazy badger]

just wanted to optimize it a little bit

if i can somehow

we reached 105 player on that server and it had a medium of 39 mspt

[worthy geode]

which is pretty good

[mild rune]

shit that's real good

[abstract aspen]

I have 20-30 mspt with 17 players

[hazy badger]

yeah we did a great job with optimization

[hazy badger]

yeah but we have a killer cpu right now

i mean

[worthy geode]

100 players is the point where you probably want to create a second server anyways to keep the chat readable

[hazy badger]

that's pretty good

[abstract aspen]

Yeah mine is old and also split like 4 ways into vm's (E3-1245v6)

[hazy badger]

i know but, from experience, splitting servers really sucks

[abstract aspen]

I'm upgrading this year to 13th gen intel or Ryzen 7000 whichever is faster single threaded

[hazy badger]

we have a ryzen 7 3700x

[abstract aspen]

Slowly putting money aside until they release :p

[hazy badger]

nice job buddy

so no way to still optimize the server?

[worthy geode]

time for the 5950x

[hazy badger]

i don't know if hetzner has it

[abstract aspen]

They do

[hazy badger]

111€ per month

[worthy geode]

they do. But you are really not at the point where you need it

[mild rune]

Yeah that's like the only thing I can see that'd give you more performance, just a newer CPU lol

[abstract aspen]

https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax

[mild rune]

but no real reason

you're well under 50mspt

[abstract aspen]

What's the point where mspt becomes a problem? 50?

[hazy badger]

i think so

[mild rune]

Anything above 50 will lower TPS

[worthy geode]

50 will lag, but I would try to keep them below 40 just to have some spare room for slower ticks

[mild rune]

^

[hazy badger]

that's what i mean

[mild rune]

Will even out any spikes

[hazy badger]

we reached a medium of 39 with 105 players

[golden gust]

well, you need it to be below 50

like, you basically NEED time between ticks

[hazy badger]

and we'll probably reach 120/130 tomorrow

so i just want to prevent lag

if i can somehow

[worthy geode]

But you are at an avg of 29 mspt, and those "slow ticks" I mentioned (the 95%ile spark shows) are also below 50 - everything fine

[abstract aspen]

What kinda server is it?

[hazy badger]

yeah but that's the profiiler with max 85 players

not 105

[brave mountain]

hii

good morning

[hazy badger]

custom survival

[abstract aspen]

Damn okay 105 players and no lag that's pretty good on survival

[brave mountain]

does anyone have some kind of javascript that display a minecraft server status on a web page?

[hazy badger]

yeah i'm so happy with the optimization

but i'm wondering if i can do something more

[golden gust]

er, yes, but, NDA lol

[hazy badger]

that's why i asked here

[golden gust]

theres many websites which make it easy to just shove some request at which returns back some json

[abstract aspen]

My plan for scaling above 100 players if that ever becomes an issue is to sell a rank that lets people have their own mini server on the network kinda like when you can make your own lobby on a mini game server

[worthy geode]

I just looked at it quickly because not Paper blahblah. Only thing that stands out to me is that the mob health plugin is somewhat slow with handling packets

[golden gust]

and then you can just use that json to populate something on the page

[hazy badger]

i see, cool

[hazy badger]

yeah i already noticed it

that's just a cool feature players like

[brave mountain]

mh, I'm so dump for js

[hazy badger]

idk, should i remove it or find another plugin?

[worthy geode]

maybe try another plugin, it looks like the slowness is parsing placeholders & that can be done in different, maybe better, ways

[hazy badger]

yeah i see

what about mobs or chunks

Are they okay?

Sorry if i keep asking

if it's a problem i'll stop, i know this is paper support

but i'm quite sure i would probably have the like the same problems with paper

but purpur discord support sucks .-.

i mean, i had really bad experiences

[worthy geode]

Well, I defended FAWE and got muted and left there

[brave mountain]

https://api.minetools.eu/ping/

[hazy badger]

o.o

[worthy geode]

but no, not really. its more or less impossible to figure out what could be causing lag when there is no lag.

[hazy badger]

yeah that makes sense

i think i'll just wait for the server to start having the first lag problems

[abstract aspen]

there is also this:
https://mcapi.us/
https://www.npmjs.com/package/mcstatus

I use this but it's python.
https://github.com/py-mine/mcstatus

[hazy badger]

and then figure out waht's wrong somehow

[brave mountain]

thank you

[abstract aspen]

I use the python one with the discord bot library to show my playercount

[brave mountain]

the one npm package

does need to some sort of port open to retrieve information?

[abstract aspen]

just the one you would normally join through

default is 25565

[brave mountain]

I mean on the website hosting

if is shared hosting

[abstract aspen]

nah it runs client side

[void void]

Add ru channel

[abstract aspen]

remove ru channel

[brave mountain]

oh ok thank you

[void void]

Pls add

[brave mountain]

we don't even have Spanish or Chinese channel and you want ru?

[void void]

Yes, ru nuber 2 to popular

Number

[worthy geode]

no

[void void]

Yes

[wet storm]

Will be really hard to moderate cuz none of paper mods know any slavic languages

[worthy geode]

its english -> chinese -> french/spanish -> german probably

[void void]

And ru :(

[brave mountain]

*in minecraft community

[vagrant marlin]

number 1 in cracked servers thats for sure

dunno about other things

[void void]

🌚

[waxen panther]

cracked factions 1.7 enjoyers

🌞

[vagrant marlin]

😃

[void void]

Go #addruchannel

[waxen panther]

no

[void void]

Pls

😭

[waxen panther]

there's no moderators that know russian

and no real incentive

[brave mountain]

I didn't like the movie...

[vagrant marlin]

there are enough russian mc communities

talk in those

[void void]

Okay, give me ru-moder

🌚

[abstract aspen]

Giving real "Mother I crave violence vibes"

[brave mountain]

wen I see users asking help in Spanish I go DM

[void void]

Русский ты

[rapid valley]

I am Russian!

[void void]

Yess

[vagrant marlin]

ok!

[void void]

Add ru channel

[vagrant marlin]

shut up

[void void]

No

[vagrant marlin]

add fancy-cool-cola-discussion-channel

[rapid valley]

Russia good country

[vagrant marlin]

ok?

i am from finland, where is talk-finland

[rapid valley]

❤️ Russia

[cunning raft]

[vagrant marlin]

the russian bots are joining

[cunning raft]

English only

[brave mountain]

ringlinn

[vagrant marlin]

i dont spam 😻 finland here

[little frost]

are you sure

[vagrant marlin]

not sure

[void void]

Russia lang 👍

[vagrant marlin]

if you feel the need to speak russian, go into a russian community

this is a global community, and the global language is english

[brave mountain]

no memes in general

[abstract aspen]

gif = meme

apparently

[brave mountain]

is a meme gif

too big

[cunning raft]

#gifs-and-memes

[golden gust]

gifs and memes go in #gifs-and-memes

shit gifs and memes stay in your gallery

[worthy geode]

adorable kitties go in #adorable-pets

my only not-muted channel in this category

[brave mountain]

not for everyone

[cunning raft]

You can only post in there if you have an adorable kitten

[vagrant marlin]

ive got a kitten in discord

[cunning raft]

Can only post in #politics if you have a good political opinion

[vagrant marlin]

germany sucks

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[vagrant marlin]

is that a good political opinion?

[waxen panther]

hmmm

[worthy geode]

yes, I agree

[wet storm]

france sucks

[abstract aspen]

no memes. #gifs-and-memes. wooo

[vagrant marlin]

that is true

but sweden sucks the most

[cunning raft]

Stop

[golden gust]

The best part of staff abuse is being staff

Can somebody please tell me how that means the fn key

[vagrant marlin]

macbook

[smoky cloud]

Fn key on a Mac keyboard

[brave mountain]

internet

[formal tusk]

can any1 suggest pets plugins for 1.19?

[cunning raft]

Need the emoji keyboard

[golden gust]

ah, I was gonna go look at the newer keyboards, that's just, dum though

[brave mountain]

useless if mc doesn't have emojis

[golden gust]

cos, like, literally every other one of their keyboards doesn't have that symbol

bloody apple

[limber knot]

wooo, znc is bak

[wet storm]

wtf, an irc, why?

[open ember]

hey i just had paper recommended to me but was given zero guidance on what it is i needed. would someone mind pointing the way a bit for hosting a 1.7.10 forge modded minecraft server on my home computer?

[golden gust]

I had a disk failure, so, like, needing to restore stuff back

1.7.10

modded

paper is 100% useless to you at that point

[candid nacelle]

paper doesn't run forge mods

[open ember]

dang

ok well thanks anyway!

[candid nacelle]

ask forgecord

[open ember]

thanks for answering questions fast

[golden gust]

forge will eject them as soon as they say 1.7 lol

[brave mountain]

gotta do some coding

btw I enrolled in this program
https://www.oracle.com/lad/education/oracle-next-education/#about-course

[void void]

either way it sounds creepy

[worthy geode]

inb4 someone is just tired and gets locked out

that seems pretty unreliable

[lone ember]

why couldn't minecraft just have been written in C++ 😢

[void void]

welcome to bedrock

[worthy geode]

Which also runs badly

[vernal moth]

What would that change?

Other than more bugs I guess

[lone ember]

it would change not having to use java

[vernal moth]

Why does that matter to the end user?

There is no difference between installing the c++ redis or a jre

[lone ember]

would make my life easier

[vernal moth]

How?

[worthy geode]

and imo c++ would have meant a smaller modding community, as its a harder language to learn for a beginner

[lone ember]

because then I wouldn't have to use Java to write mods

[vernal moth]

You can use other languages to write mods

[worthy geode]

Also basically no way to decompile it to readable code

which is how bukkit or forge were made originally

[vernal moth]

I think I wrote mods in 4 different languages

[candid nacelle]

yeah I like not having to decide where ram goes, it just all clears away whenever the gc feels like it

[lone ember]

ida? ghidra?

[worthy geode]

Thats way less readable than a java decompiler, lol

[vernal moth]

Paper wouldn't be possible if the game was not written in java

[worthy geode]

I made mods for GW2, a c++ game with its own engine & no API at all, and it was an absolutely horrible experience compared to Minecraft

[lone ember]

yeah I like decompiling MKW for similar reasons lol

[vernal moth]

Java is close enough to c++ in terms of performance nowadays

[worthy geode]

And C++ can be a lot worse with unexperienced devs, which is what most of the modders are

[candid nacelle]

also I don't like colons

[lone ember]

ugh I hate gradlew so much

[worthy geode]

hey, at least its not maven

[lone ember]

the only experience I've ever had with maven was mcMMO readme explaining how to compile and it working flawlessly

and the only experiences I've had with gradlew is ghidra extensions that took 30 minutes to do what could be accomplished in 5

I'm still half convinced that gradlew is an elaborate prank that only sends error messages and never actually does anything

[worthy geode]

and it heats your room while doing it. atleast the paperweight plugin does that

[lone ember]

on a similar note, does anyone know how to get this to go away

[worthy geode]

how are you setting the java version?

[pulsar tide]

good morning @real zealot

[lone ember]

I'm not, I'm just doing gradlew setupDecompWorkspace

[tranquil obsidian]

owo

[vagrant marlin]

buys a new keyboard
i am a new person

[tropic flame]

uh... Guild Wars 2? you made mods for a multiplayer game? 🤔

[warm anchor]

Add-ons probably like DPS meter

[worthy geode]

add-ons for a dps meter to be specific

and their probably weren't 100% fair

[warm anchor]

Yeah some game bans it

[lilac moon]

Rust better

[frank otter]

I think the language is only ever as good as the developer is

eg I can write both Rust and C++, but my rust is repulsive because I'm not a good developer in Rust

I like to believe my c++ is at least tolerable

[worthy geode]

your like 24h late 😄

[lilac moon]

yes i know about it

it would be funnier if they actually used the 1000+ dependencies that they added

right now it's about a thousand unused dependencies

currently dying rn because im trying to track down an error i get when i stop my mc server

[05:44:19 INFO]: Saving worlds
[05:44:20 INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'ServerLevel[world]'/minecraft:overworld
[05:44:22 INFO]: Saving chunks for level 'ServerLevel[world_nether]'/minecraft:the_nether
[05:44:22 INFO]: ThreadedAnvilChunkStorage (world): All chunks are saved
[05:44:22 INFO]: ThreadedAnvilChunkStorage (DIM-1): All chunks are saved
[05:44:22 INFO]: ThreadedAnvilChunkStorage: All dimensions are saved
[05:44:22 ERROR]: Exception stopping the server
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Negative position
    at sun.nio.ch.FileChannelImpl.write(Unknown Source) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.storage.RegionFile.padToFullSector(RegionFile.java:935) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.storage.RegionFile.close(RegionFile.java:912) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.storage.RegionFileStorage.close(RegionFileStorage.java:347) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.storage.ChunkStorage.close(ChunkStorage.java:174) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ChunkMap.close(ChunkMap.java:872) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.close(ServerChunkCache.java:880) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.close(ServerChunkCache.java:871) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.world.level.Level.close(Level.java:1062) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.close(ServerLevel.java:2377) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.stopServer(MinecraftServer.java:1033) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer.stopServer(DedicatedServer.java:803) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1271) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:316) ~[paper-1.18.2.jar:git-Paper-387]
    at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) ~[?:?]

currently working on trying to get intellij to debug the paper server

man

[magic river]

If you want to mod a C++ Minecraft there is always Bedrock 😄

[lilac moon]

since i dont want to update my world to 1.19 yet im trying to build the ver/1.18.2 branch but now it doesnt build

[golden gust]

I mean, that's basically an unsupported version

1.18.2 branch should work fine

but, I mean, that's screaming a fucked up file is on the disk

[lilac moon]

i mightve done some different command

[golden gust]

clone the repo

checkout the branch

run the script

[lilac moon]

guess ill reclone

[golden gust]

if you're dealing with newer versions of paper to you may need to yeet the caches

(on the CI server we just trick gradle into using a different .gradle folder iirc)

but, that's generally what that logic does

[lilac moon]

huh it works now after i cloned again

[golden gust]

you have a 0 sized region file on the disk

[lilac moon]

o

i see now

hmm the smallest region files in all 3 dimensions are still at least 16 KiB

unless im blind

oh wait there's some under world/poi

ill check where these regions go

so then if those are 0 sized then should i just delete them, since they couldnt possibly contain any useful info?

[golden gust]

yes

I mean, the logic is literally get the file size, do some maths, pad that out with maths, and allocate

the only way for that to fail from that logic there is if there is a 0 sized file

[lilac moon]

oh god there's a bunch of "level[bunch of numbers].dat" under my nether that are empty too

[void void]

I'm well-aware I won't get support for relying on a historical version of Paper, but I do have a question whether using a historical version of Paper is pants on head a bad idea, even if the player community would trust me with 1.17.1 over 1.19+

[golden gust]

there are many known exploits in older versions

and exploits being found over the years which cover various versions

[ripe sphinx]

At least you're not the muffin from a few days ago who wanted to use 1.17.0 (which is vulnerable to Log4Shell)

[void void]

Luckily mine is 1.17.1

And latest build of it.

What are the implications of using a Paper version in which its MC client version won't have its reporting GUI? Especially considering my resources to investigate player reports are limited, as well as something that'd be incredibly concerning to stumble upon as pointed out in a PaperMC thread regarding Mojang's player reports.

[golden gust]

those features won't be available

[charred sleet]

so err, how can i push a 400MB file to GH

[golden gust]

but, why

[charred sleet]

school project - big data file

[ripe sphinx]

GH has a 1GB repo limit

[golden gust]

wasn't the gh max like 200MB per file?

[charred sleet]

maybe:

Writing objects: 100% (43/43), 230.40 MiB | 38.11 MiB/s
Writing objects: 100% (43/43), 233.58 MiB | 4.26 MiB/s, done.
Total 43 (delta 12), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0
fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly

[golden gust]

oh, 100mb

[charred sleet]

ig i can split it out, but err thats annoying

[golden gust]

well, unless you pay for LFS...

or, well, see what the free limits where

[ripe sphinx]

Why are you even checking a data file into git?

[golden gust]

I mean

I mean, yea, something like that probs best kept out of git

[ripe sphinx]

free limits are fairly generous iirc, so I think 400mb will fit

[golden gust]

No

There is a file size hard limit of 100mb

[charred sleet]

^

[ripe sphinx]

oh that's possible

[charred sleet]

lemme try zipping it

[golden gust]

depends on the data tile, gzip, zstd, etc

[charred sleet]

yeah not quite enough - still 240

[golden gust]

https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/working-with-files/managing-large-files/about-large-files-on-github#file-size-limits

GitHub blocks pushes that exceed 100 MB

there is LFS, that's the recommended way to deal with that

well, I mean

[ripe sphinx]

ok quick poke at my GH settings, looks like I have a 1GB user-wide cap for LFS, but I also have pro from GH students so that might be part of it, so it will technically fit in LFS https://f.u11.io/QuYA3B

[golden gust]

outside of the more recommended way of not doing that

[charred sleet]

5 files is what im hearing

[golden gust]

well, the gotcha is the bandwidth

[lilac moon]

welp i removed all the 0-sized .dat and .mca files and i still get the same error when stopping the server

[golden gust]

but, I mean, really, bitbucket

keybase

[ripe sphinx]

ok that's odd according to the docs max LFS file size is 2GB for free/pro but I'm capped at 1GB?

[simple garden]

Sos. So my friend is trying yo remove java 8 so he can install java 18 but his pc won't allow him to do so.

Any idea what could be causing the issue

[golden gust]

the large binaries section?

that's the releases section

"won't allow him"

I mean, theres the java uninstaller tool, but, I mean, that only gives so much

you can also install 18 alongside 8