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[rare python]

lol

[true canyon]

They'll just start asking more often in the docs channel 😄

[rare python]

Hide that one too

[true canyon]

First 24 hours is only a channel named #helphere and #banmeforpostinginhere and you'll see 20% of users get auto banned unintentionally, I guarantee it.

[rare python]

Lol

Do it

It would be a good idiot filter

Those who don't listen

Get autobanned

[visual egret]

can someone name one non-malicious sane use case for this api? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Battery_Status_API

[rare python]

Uhhhh

Very demanding web app switching to a power saving mode auto magically?

[visual egret]

"very demanding web app"

that should be done server side if its very demanding

or via a native app

[rare python]

bitcoin miner oh wait, thats malicious

[visual egret]

not very sane either

[magic river]

A lot of that API was created for FirefoxOS, ChromeOS, or Chrome's NaCL apps

But a video game could use that API to turn down animations or quality levels or something when running on battery

[glass crag]

Mobile game in web browser?

Could show battery if you open it full screen

[agile portal]

how about a data class?

[magic river]

Firefox dropped the battery API, probably once FirefoxOS flopped

[ashen cliff]

Buy something on eBay.
Seller lied.
Open refund request on eBay.
Add a bunch of pictures, explain why USED doesn't mean BROKEN and attempted repairs.
Sellers waits till last moment, replies twice, contacts custom service, click request more info from buyer.
Can't reply at all, due to the order of things.

[true canyon]

Incredible!

Meanwhile I'm on day two of this

[ashen cliff]

And guess what, they are German no less.

[worthy geode]

Hope you didn't buy the thing I sold three days ago

[ashen cliff]

Nah. It was the 20 SSDs the seller didn't want to send.

"USED".

[coarse lily]

Does that mean it should be easier to resolve? Not sure how them being German pays into this. Unless it's a Geman law thing?

[ashen cliff]

All showed up broken and with visible repairs attempted, not mentioned anywhere in the listing of the item, but this amazing line was there: ie Platten sind alle gebraucht. Diese wurden von mir nicht getestet deshalb werden sie als Defekt verkauft! Bei Fragen einfach mailen! Spätere Reklamationen werden nicht berücksichtigt. Achtung Da es sich um Privatverkauf handelt gilt keine Garantie und kein Rückgaberecht!

[worthy geode]

tbf hes saying that they might be broken

[ashen cliff]

They are usually more fair about stuff, like, if they did something wrong, they want to make sure to correct it.
Not always tho.

[coarse lily]

I think "I didn't test them so they might be broken" is a bit different than "these clearly got dropped off a truck and I can tell that but I'm being misleading"

Although this might be a good case of "if it seems to good to be true"

[ashen cliff]

In this case, they would have to sell them as "for parts or not working" not as used.

[coarse lily]

Right.

But did you think they were really not broken for being that cheap?

[ashen cliff]

Auction.

[plucky granite]

https://bytemeta.vip/repo/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7290

[plucky granite]

any solution?

[worthy geode]

whats that weird site oO

[coarse lily]

That's a weird site.

[ashen cliff]

One of the many Github issue clones or whatever you would call them.

The reason uBlacklist exists.

[true canyon]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7290

[coarse lily]

You're better with this link:
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7290

But no, there's no resolution on that yet.

Haha

[ashen cliff]

Tho, eBay can be weird at times.
If you sell a product as for parts or not working, but say it's untested, you are still misleading people, incase they find out that repairs were attempted.
So, it's a whole jungle trying to navigate on what is right and wrong.

[rare python]

e

[wet storm]

#paper-contrib message "Someone who is toxic on one server isn't unlikely to behave the same on any other server." (section "Why can I be banned when playing on a private server I own?") Am I stupid or is this sentence horribly written? This "isn't unlikely" broke my brain while reading, why not "is likely" instead?..

[coarse lily]

That's a decent edit suggestion.

Maybe Kenny will take it.

[twin lagoon]

https://github.com/Freaky/Compactor TIL filesystem compression is a thing on w10 and it's doing a good job so far

saving like 80GB compressing mostly untouched games without uninstalling them

[knotty iris]

port forwarding randomly stopped working on my self-hosted server, is this normal?

[coarse lily]

When things randomly stop working it's generally not normal.

[merry talon]

I knew you could enable compression in windows explorer but I always assumed it would destroy performance

Not seeing any notes on perf in the readme?

I just think it would be pretty rad if ntfs died in a fire and we could use zfs or something

[twin lagoon]

tried using compactor on my last ssd

[lament patio]

I've used something similar in the past, the algorithm is pretty fast

[twin lagoon]

3 BSODs later

[lament patio]

I forgot the name, lemme look for it

[twin lagoon]

think that drive or filesystem might be fucked who can really say

it is my oldest drive though so not too surprising

[merry talon]

[twin lagoon]

conveniently also my most important drive so maybe it's time for me to start looking into backups

[merry talon]

rsync.net is epic

[lament patio]

There's LZX, XPRESS16K, XPRESS8K, XPRESS4K

And apparently they're fast

[twin lagoon]

no windows support unfortunately

[merry talon]

you just use whatever sftp compatible client

[twin lagoon]

yeah i guess i could

[merry talon]

would be nice if windows had something like time machine tho

[twin lagoon]

it does

ancient windows feature but there is file snapshot support

[merry talon]

isn't it like shit

[twin lagoon]

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3658132/how-to-use-file-history-windows-10-windows-11.html

[merry talon]

oh, yeah

[twin lagoon]

never used it tbh

https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/windows_backup_agent.html oh

[upbeat falcon]

Shadow Copy - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Copy

Shadow Copy is a technology included in Microsoft Windows that can create backup copies or snapshots of computer ...

About 40,700,000 results (0.41 seconds)

[twin lagoon]

that too

[merry talon]

but time machine can work over the network

not sure if these can

like if I'm gonna have an extra drive to back up to plugged in I would just use it as a mirror

[magic river]

time machine only works over the network to a special thing though I thought

[merry talon]

nah you can set it up on a nas, it's a protocol like SMB

Synology and truenas both support it

[twin lagoon]

only annoying thing with cloud backups is that i don't have the internet for it

40mbit upload is ass

[merry talon]

yeaaaah

my solution to that was to just not back up my PC and get a nas

[twin lagoon]

then again i don't have too much data to backup

[merry talon]

and then use zfs to back that up to the cloud

[twin lagoon]

only a few hundred gb, not like terabytes large datasets

actually probabably just a hundred gb if i filter out and get rid of stuff i don't need

[merry talon]

Arq is a great program on windows too for incremental backups

but its paid and no linux support

[twin lagoon]

looks very good

[merry talon]

tbh I would probably go that way if I just wanted to do a windows PC

[twin lagoon]

they even offer a tb of cloud storage

[merry talon]

yeah

[true canyon]

So I got into paypal through resetting password. As soon as I did it:

[merry talon]

sus

[true canyon]

[warm anchor]

Didn’t know password is tax info

[true canyon]

I don't know what tax info there is other than name address and SSN, and those are the same as they've been for years.

[warm anchor]

[spiral robin]

[molten egret]

my favorite part abt my windows install is that it's so broken that it boots back into ubuntu if I leave it overnight

[bold dove]

rip techno

o7

[brittle tinsel]

Rip techno 😭

[unkempt jackal]

rip techno

[stiff jewel]

😭

[weak heart]

rip techno

[tired fog]

rip techno :(

[spark raven]

rip techno.

[molten egret]

Rip techno

[spark raven]

fuck cancer

[viral dagger]

fuck death

[zinc wagon]

o7 technoblade

[umbral loom]

RIP TECHNO

[red halo]

Major PayPal moment

I enabled 2fa before and it broke my account

Because I decided I didn’t want sms 2fa backup for my totp 2fa

Turns out that bricks your account and sets something to null in the database

when I eventually got it removed (wasn’t hard) it said something about null and 2fa instead of what you would expect

[wet stream]

rip techno

[true canyon]

They have some very interesting development and deployment strategies. I'm near certain their email strategy is to deploy email servers with a particular template config and never update them. This is the only explanation I have for why occasional payment notifications use the template they used 5+ years ago. Just comes down to which email server was given the values to fill in and deliver.

[red halo]

I mean when I talked to support he said it looked weird too

[true canyon]

Incredible.

[spark raven]

it seems unreal technoblade has passed away

[red halo]

yeah

cancer do that

cancer bad way to go out too

just as bad to survive it

[red halo]

you just get life at the end while wanting to die the entire time

[spark raven]

Yeah. currently my grandma has cancer, and it is not improving

[red halo]

at-least she had a long while :(

techno died young :(

[bronze fractal]

I'm super confused by the 1.19.1 pre2 changelog

system messages are now gone? what are narration messages?

[jolly gull]

Rest in peace, Technoblade ❤️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMluEVUqS0

[bronze fractal]

and what are overlays?

specifically this section:

Chat types added to the `chat_types` registry are now only used for player chat, and not system messages
    The `system` and `game_info` chat types have been removed
Chat types have been simplified and are now only required to define `chat` and `narration` decorations
    Chat types no longer support overlays
    A system message should instead be used to display overlays

system chat being removed seems like it could break a whole lot of things, make it completely impossible for a plugin to show information in chat, so surely this is not actually what it means, right?

[wraith trail]

System messages aren't removed

They aren't that insane

[bronze fractal]

ah good

confusing ass changelog

what does it mean, then?

just a code refactoring maybe?

[wraith trail]

Chat types are just the format/decorating

[bronze fractal]

hmm, if system messages are still there, and obviously mojang wouldn't design it so that player death messages have a scary "insecure" warning, then I wonder if by sending system messages you avoid the insecure warning altogether

[wraith trail]

System messages don't have a warning afaik, let me double check

[bronze fractal]

if so, then it almost seems like the "insecure" change is a very weird change that is specifically targeting users of No Chat Reporting clientside mod that join servers with secure-profile turned off, but that are still relaying signed chat as-is

which, sure. That's fine I guess, it could make moderation easier for spotting trolls that join with the mod with a motive to avoid global bans

but very weird

[wraith trail]

Okay yeah it's not. You've just got insecure, secure, and modified

Screenshot from Noah. Am on mobile https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746194024721023128/992129126913818714/unknown.png

[bronze fractal]

interesting

[spark raven]

he pranked us all. Legend.

[modern phoenix]

rip to a legend
o7

[vestal jasper]

Is that rhetorical

[south raptor]

is 1.19.1 out or somth

[vestal jasper]

Message signing and verification, messages can be reported to mojang and accounts can get banned from ALL public and private servers, and can appeal bans somewhere on some site

Chat types are a way to format signed messages

system

[south raptor]

system

[vestal jasper]

It's a different packet

[unkempt jackal]

anyone got the link for the pre2 info?

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Minecraft 1.19.1 Pre-Release 2 Is Out : Minecraft - 776 comments, 0 points - xilefian, 10h ago

[unkempt jackal]

thanks

[vestal jasper]

They did recently clarify that profanity is not a bannable offence

[spare venture]

maturity level is skyrocketing

[vestal jasper]

They're rather sane guidelines

[spare venture]

i agree with that

[true canyon]

basket I'm confused. You are simultaneously just learning about this stuff now but also are getting information that's super outdated?

[spare venture]

oh come on dude

[mild rune]

actually not reading

[unkempt jackal]

basket isn't complaining about the guidelines, he only made a joke. What is the concern right now is the new info form the pre2 release, that introduces even more changes to that chat system

[vestal jasper]

It's a prerelease

[true canyon]

[mild rune]

how dare mojang change stuff in pre-releases

cool

Bedrock is a different game

👍

[spare venture]

comparing bedrock to java is like comparing halo to gears of war

[white pine]

💀

[unkempt jackal]

to be fair, im also confused about what overlays

[vestal jasper]

Aren't the people who work on bedrock an entirely separate team or group of teams?

[unkempt jackal]

are

[true canyon]

bedrock's playerbase is on average 10 years old lol

Waiting for my weekly payment of Gatesbucks. Still haven't received any!

[spare venture]

bedrock is constrained by console requirements my friend

java is not

are you like this on purpose or was it a result of some accident

[unkempt jackal]

compile once, run everywhere 😌

[mild rune]

no idea what they are. I believe they were added as a part of the new chat type thingy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm anchor]

It's crucial that you read through this post before making your clearly uneducated opinion. This one is made by kneny that goes in to explain how chat signing works https://kennytv.eu/signedchat

[mild rune]

oh I think the chat overlays are like that auto complete thing

genuinely never heard of it before lol

[void void]

rip technoblade

[foggy silo]

No these are action bar messages iirc

[mild rune]

ah

[foggy silo]

For some reason they are called overlays

[mild rune]

probably some legacy name from eons ago

[molten egret]

Microsoft Moment™️

[spare venture]

cryptography stops it

[molten egret]

mojang has to sign the key afaik

[warm anchor]

this question is answered if you read the post I send you

It's not too late to start reading now

[stuck jewel]

TECHNO

NOOO

[molten egret]

yeah

technoblade sometimes dies, I suppose

[stuck jewel]

techno scammed us

he said he never dies

[unkempt jackal]

my body's immune system actually stops players from tampering with chat messages iirc

[robust rivet]

Fly High Technoblade keep making smiles in heaven friend ❤️ 🐷 4️⃣ 🇪 🇻 🇷 🅾️ 7️⃣

[spare venture]

mojang has an employee tracking every conversation so they know if a server faked it or not. didn’t you know it’s 1.1984

[warm anchor]

[mild rune]

can confirm

MSFT Employee #184736 sits in my room 24/7

it's in the chart

[foggy silo]

This is not dissimilar to the book entitled 1984 authored by George Orwell.

[warm anchor]

You may want to do some extra reading if the chart is confusing to you

[spare venture]

have you read the entire document

[jade light]

The existence of a public key implies the existence of a private key, and you can guess who generates and owns it... this is standard crypto

[foggy silo]

Guys where does Mojang store the key? Can this key be copied? What if Mojang looses it?🥺

[echo bridge]

Techno is dead

[primal solar]

Techno wasn't talked about here 😢

[echo bridge]

:(

[molten egret]

are we going to have rsa loggers now along with token loggers?

[mild rune]

Jeff the janitor has the key on his keyring we're good

[spare venture]

it seems like you just do not understand cryptography at all

[kindred basin]

does this mean bill gates can ban my account if I beat him in our weekly 1v1?

[foggy silo]

🙏

[unkempt jackal]

bug with the official server jar for pre release 2, it doesn't seem to generate eula.txt on startup

[molten egret]

in short: the key has to be approved by mojang auth

[daring laurel]

whats the point of the chat preview packet if theres a registry of chat types?

no

[spare venture]

lol if that was possible this would be pointless

[mild rune]

[kindred basin]

the private (what's used to sign) never leaves the players client

[spare venture]

the point of chat signing is for validation that the message is what the player sent

[mild rune]

The private key probably also expires semi-regularly

[unkempt jackal]

nevermind, it works

[spare venture]

so chat signing would be pointless if it didn’t actually validate anything

good thing it does

[mild rune]

This is in theory to allow servers to format a chat message and still have the client approve it for signing so it's still valid.

[spare venture]

ok i am just gonna stop talking because i’m not sure if you’re reading my messages

[kindred basin]

🤦‍♂️

[daring laurel]

but theres a request chat preview packet, whats the point of the packet if the chat types are also sent? wouldnt it be one or the other

[mild rune]

The preview is sent from server to the chatting client

[daring laurel]

I understand that

[mild rune]

It's so servers can add [Cool Person] in front of your message and show that modified message to you so you can approve it

[foggy silo]

The graph on Kenny’s gist is great

[daring laurel]

what I’m saying is why have a registry when theres a packet that does the same thing? doesnt the packet send the changed message to the client so the client can sign it?

do you understand private/public key encryption?

Okay, so you understand only you have your private key?

[foggy silo]

The chat type formats the name, message, and team of the player

[bronze fractal]

is this now called a "narration" packet? I'm still confused what "overlay" is

[foggy silo]

The chat preview formats the message

[daring laurel]

so nobody else can sign messages…

Only you have your private key, but everyone has your public key so they can check if this message is really from you

you dont broadcast it, mojang’s client has them

[bronze fractal]

you can, using clientside mods

[little frost]

when a player joins the game you get their public key

[vestal jasper]

So in theory if you wanted a plugin to have per-rank formatting, you'd have a chat type for each rank,
If you wanted to do filtering or mutating of the message itself you'd use the message preview?

[mild rune]

and risk getting your account banned for someone else's message?

[daring laurel]

mojang sends them to the client from it’s own server…

[daring laurel]

what do you mean that the chat type formats the name and message, when thats what the chat preview does ?

[mild rune]

Message preview is, as far as I can tell, what's used to show the client what the new message will be. In order to modify the message and have it be signed you have to send a preview.

[kindred basin]

you would take responsibility for every users chats (assuming you somehow manage to steal your private key from your client and resign player messages server side)

[daring laurel]

THERES NO SERVER PUBLIC KEY.

THERE WAS NEVER A SERVER PUBLIC KEY

[bronze fractal]

With X.509 and I think PGP too, you can do a type of cryptographic signing where anywhere up the 'chain' of signing keys can be validated independently of each other

[vestal jasper]

No, the chat preview is for the message content specifically, like what the player types in chat. The chat type is for adding formatting like the player's name, prefixes, etc

[real crow]

o7

[boreal nexus]

o7

[real crow]

rip king

[vestal jasper]

They each control separate parts of what's shown in the final chat message

[mild rune]

because you can't make a server generate a key

[spiral robin]

And why would you even do that

[kindred basin]

server generated
mojang issues keys for specific accounts

[daring laurel]

THERES NO SERVER PUBLIC/PRIVATE KEY. ITS ONLY PER PLAYER MADE BY MOJANG, THEY CAN VERIFY

[bronze fractal]

so like, mojang signs the key they give you, and signing is a mathematical proof that both you and the certificate authority (mojang) approve that the message is real

[spiral robin]

Wouldn’t that place the blame on you

[mild rune]

You'd need to basically burn a minecraft account to even come close to doing that

[bronze fractal]

chill with all caps, you're misunderstanding him anyways

[kindred basin]

yes

only mojang issued keys will work

[bronze fractal]

with unmodded game yeah

[mild rune]

gets IP banned

[kindred basin]

seems like quite the exercise to let your players groom people risk free

[mild rune]

IP ban your server?

[daring laurel]

so I can’t just make the chat message just the content, then make the client sign the whole chat message allowing me to freely rewrite the entire chat message? Otherwise I’m going to have to continually resent the chat types registry which I don’t think is possible

btw imabasket is trolling

theres no way theyr not

[mild rune]

genuinely gotta be trolling

[daring laurel]

you are

after that last msg

[bronze fractal]

the server would be having to be refreshing microsoft authentication for all 100 of those accounts, it would probably get an ip ban pretty quickly unless you did it cleverly

[daring laurel]

POC and I’ll believe you.

[little frost]

why don't you go work at mojang if you think you've broken their chat cryptography

unfortunately the people who've implemented are definitely smarter than you

[bronze fractal]

though it is still possible for trolls to get masses of microsoft accounts, somehow. seen a raid somewhat recently where someone had a lot of accounts

[foggy silo]

No

[warm anchor]

that's great eventually those account will all be banned

[foggy silo]

The chat preview previews the message CONTENT

not the entire message

The chat type formats where the message, player name, and team name goes

[mild rune]

The preview is basically what your message will look like to other players, ye?

[jade light]

He didn't say you're wrong, but you are

[foggy silo]

Example: <%s>: %s
This is a chat format type normal

[daring laurel]

Yes I understand. I’m saying I make the chat format for username team etc empty. Then, when sending the chat preview, I send the entire chat message as just the content.

[bronze fractal]

he's not wrong, I think it would be possible, just very difficult

[foggy silo]

I mean yes you can do that?

That’s very strange tho.

[magic river]

You can do that but eww

[spiral robin]

[magic river]

Also you'll still have the <> in the chat line unless you use a resource pack to get rid of it

[spiral robin]

@warm anchor u seeing this?

[daring laurel]

It’s strange, but otherwise every time I want to change the hover on their name I’m going to have to resend the registry

[magic river]

And at that point you can make the resource pack do the styling you want

[foggy silo]

No you shouldn’t

[warm anchor]

unreal

[daring laurel]

cant I just remove that from chat format?

[foggy silo]

It’s part of the chat registry, you can override it.

[magic river]

Is there a translation key you can piggyback on that is just %s?

[foggy silo]

Yeah

[warm anchor]

ok cool

[foggy silo]

You can change the translation keys yes

[bronze fractal]

what's the reason you would want to have signed chat that doesn't correspond to actual players, anyways? the system chat way of bypassing it still works 100% as I understand

[magic river]

You can only change it to another one that already exists though

[foggy silo]

Pretty much everything about the chat format is modifiable on the server

No you can add new ones too

[mild rune]

The new chat formatting system is actually really cool

[magic river]

You need a resource pack to add one or change the format of the default one

[daring laurel]

So would I’m saying work owen?

[magic river]

Did they change it in 1.19.1?

[foggy silo]

No, the server sends the chat registry to the client.

[bronze fractal]

supposedly system messages have no such icon

[foggy silo]

I’m not sure but at least this is the current behavior.

[magic river]

The chat registry was just the translation key though...

[foggy silo]

Yeah

[foggy silo]

Yes but

You can make custom keys right there

[daring laurel]

lol. Can’t wait to see in 1.21 when the api gets released for this mess

[magic river]

You've tried this?

[foggy silo]

“%s CUSTOM FORMAT -> %s”

This works

[mild rune]

Custom chat types can be added using datapacks or by modifying the chat_type registry in the server (which modded servers such as Paper will need to add API for in the future).

[bronze fractal]

which is interesting. seems they're specifically targeting users of No Chat Reporting that join a server that doesn't use system chat bypass

[mild rune]

According to Kenny's gist

[magic river]

I thought you were the one saying your workaround was to piggyback on a %s: %s key that's used in the end credits or something

[bronze fractal]

while still allowing the system chat bypass

[foggy silo]

It is known behavior

Yeah so that was thought you had to do that

[bronze fractal]

this still works I believe, even in pre2

[foggy silo]

But no apparently this behavior was around, in fact it wasn’t really known

But if the translation key isn’t found it’ll just default and use whatever was provided.

[bronze fractal]

After all, mojang wouldn't make it so player death messages are marked with a scary insecure icon

[foggy silo]

But yeah, thankfully we don’t need to do this.

[magic river]

Wait so if you just put %s%s in there instead of chat.message.user or whatever it'll fail to look that up as a translation key and then just use it directly?

[foggy silo]

But even myself thought you had to do this for the longest time.

[foggy silo]

Yep!

[bronze fractal]

although, they could do something crazy like make it so player death messages and all sorts of system messages are pre-set clientside localized text with their own custom packets

[foggy silo]

Works for all translatable components.

[spare venture]

so you’re saying mojang profits from having a chat moderation system

[magic river]

Ok then, the only thing holding Spigot/Paper back from a chat API that works with this setup is effort and the unwillingness to do what is needed

[spare venture]

literally 1984 capitalism omg

[foggy silo]

Prolly

[bronze fractal]

lol

[warm anchor]

lol

[foggy silo]

There’s a huge mess that needs to be dealt with

We need to make a separate sort of plug-in loader system

[magic river]

Nah, just lock the formatting to %s%s

[foggy silo]

Well I mean, it would be optimal to open registry access for future sake as well.

[bronze fractal]

there are some really ugly EULA-breaking minecraft servers that have you pay for unbans, and mysteriously these servers ban people at a higher rate than other servers. So profiting off of moderation is a thing

[magic river]

That's a future-Owen problem

[mild rune]

[foggy silo]

>:(

[warm anchor]

it's a now-owen problem

[mild rune]

gl owen

[warm anchor]

get to work!

[mild rune]

cannot wait to see it!

[void void]

that's reserved for like, people who spend their time on their computers 24/7

[foggy silo]

We are also waiting on spigot I guess for their release of the api… prolly so people can yell at spigot for re adding chat signing first heheh.

[mild rune]

[foggy silo]

Boycott spigot, move to paper!

[magic river]

For now you could just lock it to %s%s, make a PreviewEvent, make the ChatEvent's message read only, and add a prefix/name field to it

[void void]

don't think anyone sane would keep buying $27 accounts just to troll lol

[foggy silo]

Yeah something along those lines.

[warm anchor]

we gonna put Amaranth back to working on MC

[foggy silo]

But at least, I really wanna push for registry access here.

[mild rune]

how long till someone makes it so I can play doom in the chat preview?

[magic river]

No no no, Mojang lawyers scary

[foggy silo]

It’s great future work too. But yeah, I guess that’s something I might need to work on.

Hopefully 🙏

[kindred basin]

would probably take much more than a texture pack lol

[lavish crest]

I might be mistaken, but isn't md5 working on adding chat signing to Spigot?

[foggy silo]

Soon tm I guess

[mild rune]

probably

[foggy silo]

But as soon as the api comes out

It’ll prolly be replaced with our own and deprecated

[mild rune]

[foggy silo]

Cause who likes legacy chat format ewww

[magic river]

Spigot's is probably going to make you format the whole message in the preview and just promise you'll edit it the same way in the chat event

But if you don't oh well, people just get a red mark next to their chat

[spare venture]

no

[void void]

kinda feel bad for those microsoft employees that are gonna have to go through 10 year olds reporting eachother because one griefed their base or something

[magic river]

I don't remember MC ever allowing section symbols in chat

[foggy silo]

Sadly this chat is just, full of nonsense lol

[daring laurel]

then why bother waiting

[magic river]

Maybe it was the one version when they turned unicode on?

[foggy silo]

Because it’s worth building off whatever they make.

[spare venture]

it’s not like they are slaves, they are being paid to do a job lol

[magic river]

In alpha and beta if you sent anything other than Latin1 you got kicked

[foggy silo]

By deprecating it, I mean more or so replacing it with adventure methods.

Who knows, or even more if it’s awful.

[mild rune]

Honestly the reports for griefing are probably the easiest to deal with

just instant deny

[magic river]

When they added unicode support I could see them forgetting that one

[void void]

what about the 2b2t nazi shit

[spare venture]

instant ban? duh

[mild rune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not a Mojang moderation team member

so idk

[spare venture]

ye

[kindred basin]

i would be surprised if servers like 2b2t didnt strip keys

[magic river]

People are surprised they were supposed to be enforcing Mojang's community guidelines this whole time and are upset Mojang has decided to just do it for them 😛

[foggy silo]

But with how much progress hangar has been getting it’s making me excited hehe

[mild rune]

I genuinely shocked they took this long to do it

[magic river]

I figured Mojang would never do it

[void void]

^

[magic river]

Too lazy, too much drama

I think they should do it, didn't think they would

[spare venture]

yeah the most popular game of all time just letting it be the wild west for 10 years, especially when an entire generation of kids grew up on it

[void void]

Thought they'd leave java alone longer

[spare venture]

wonder how that generation would’ve been impacted if mojang cared about player safety 10 years ago

[kindred basin]

They need legal and PR cover for all the news stories about groomers on the game, i dont fault them for it

[silver nexus]

Yea this should've been done a long time ago

[mild rune]

makes my servers easier to moderate now

[warm anchor]

It is incredibly hard to report someone like that if they have admin access and can essentially silence you out of their platform

[daring laurel]

Spigot added support for offhand swing. How does a player swing their offhand?

[mellow ember]

https://youtu.be/DPMluEVUqS0

[silver nexus]

You say that like you want to return to that

[warm anchor]

You DO know that this aint suppose to be some normal everyday thing right??

[silver nexus]

That doesn't sound fun nor does it sound like the way mojang wants their game to be represented

[spiral robin]

Ok

[silver nexus]

Free pizza? What kinds?

Ew

[real saddle]

Mahhn im crying Techno passed away

[void void]

o7 techno

[real saddle]

😢

[chilly idol]

o7

[unkempt jackal]

o7

[thorny totem]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[scarlet axle]

[cursive scroll]

o7

[knotty iris]

for 1.19.1, will paper continue using system messages or go towards an option for chat reporting compatability

[viral hornet]

Well, have to see what Spigot do

But afaik, Paper will be supporting the signed chat/reporting

[solar plover]

o7

[polar socket]

👑 🐷

[limber knot]

Discord down?

[void void]

oop, nevermind

[charred sleet]

just slow for me

[south oasis]

Yes for you little discord bot

How's it like being a robot

[limber knot]

Pretty shit

[novel horizon]

Like being a person that's "alive" is any better

[dusk shard]

I've made something that sort of make ChatPreview work for the meantime if you want to take a look. (before it is properly implemented)
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chatpreview-try-out-the-new-1-19-chat-preview-feature.102742/

[daring laurel]

@foggy silo this is exactly what I was talking about 😉 and you said nobody would do that

[worthy geode]

Makes me wonder if you can interact with components in the preview (e.g. hover or click)

Anyone tried that yet?

[dusk shard]

yes you can

[worthy geode]

Including click components?
Time to abuse it for the chat channel switcher

[dusk shard]

yea you can click or hover on the chat preview text

Tho you can only respond to chat preview requests

You cannot send preview text whenever you want to

[pallid mauve]

do u guys get paid to code paper

[worthy geode]

Yeah that's fine

[pallid mauve]

or just do it for free

genuine question

[worthy geode]

Is "opening the chat" a preview request or is the first request being sent when the first character is entered?

[prime coral]

But you can type something in chat and let the user decide to which channel the message gets sent (by executing a command or smth) right?

[worthy geode]

Paper is a volunteer open source project, so no. They do take donations however

[nova hatch]

Rest In Peace technoblade

[worthy geode]

My idea was to put a bunch of "buttons" in the preview that allow you to switch chat channels (or other chat related actions tbh)

[prime coral]

When the first char is entered, then with a delay when more chars are added - but the client has a small delay before you can actually send the message received from the server (at least the last time I checked that)

[dusk shard]

The preview you send also somehow changes the cryptographic signing of the message when the user sends the chat message that is being previewed, so you are forced to disable message signing if you want to use the chat preview to do stuff like that

[worthy geode]

Yeah I don't particularly care about that

[void void]

yeah, the client signs the previewed message which is intentional

[worthy geode]

Especially if it means enabling a much more useful feature as a trade off

[visual egret]

my favourite childhood youtuber, technoblade, has died of cancer

[prime coral]

The server throws the raw message into the decorator on the server side again, so that one needs to produce the same result as the previewed message in order to get the message displayed as signed

[worthy geode]

Well, the server could just output it as a system message

[prime coral]

sure, but then the message is not signed :)

[worthy geode]

Yeah, I'm aware

[prime coral]

Spigot needs to give us access to chat decoration via the api, but then again they don't have a component api which prevents us from doing nice stuff

[dusk shard]

This is such a rushed out feature, Mojang should put more thought into it first. There are too many limitations with this. It doesn't handle hover and click event properly, also makes different formats for different users not possible

[worthy geode]

Well, at least they delayed the release for now

[dusk shard]

Well, it's already in 1.19

Just without the real reason why they rush this feature out

the chat reporting stuff

[worthy geode]

Yeah, and currently spigot/paper don't even send signed messages, and without the reporting there isn't really any reason to do so anyways

[dusk shard]

Is it me or my nickname changes every once a while every time I revisit this discord server

Does it do that automatically, I always seems to be given random nicknames

Quite scary

[void void]

Warship will automatically change unmentionable nicknames iirc

There's a feature for it atleast, not sure if paper has it enabled

[worthy geode]

Didn't you have a nickname with some ASCII block characters before? Then it's probably that

[dusk shard]

I've always just set to no nickname

What you are seeing right now

[worthy geode]

LOOHP, but I remember something else

[void void]

yeah it was an ascii gun

[dusk shard]

I didn't set that

That is one of the random nicks

[void void]

hmm, odd

[dusk shard]

It's not the first time I had to remove my nick here

Creepy

[chrome quest]

Anyone know how to get a userscript to not get injected into an iframe?

[coarse lily]

It's one of our bots. If you have a name that isn't easily typed, pinged, mentioned, etc, it'll rename you. So if it's a bunch of random ASCII characters or starts with a weird character it'll rename you automatically.

Although your Discord name seems to be LOOHP#2568 so I don't think in this case it renicked you.

Ah it tweaked the Os.

[void void]

^ they didn't set the ascii characters in the first place apparently

[coarse lily]

Hm or maybe not. I dunno.

shrug

Looking at the logs, it looks like it was changed by you and not the bot.

So either you, someone with access to your account, a script, or something.

[dusk shard]

That's scary

Thanks for looking into it

I should enable 2fa

[mossy vessel]

Time to use AuthMe to secure your account

[tired fog]

isnt this what the bungee chat api is for

oh wait decoration

nvm

thought u meant general formatting for components

[ashen cliff]

Fact!

[coarse venture]

ugh laundry is done. time to go offline again

[pale pumice]

"Legends never die"

[twin lagoon]

[sleek tree]

Was the allay dupe fixed in paper?

Appears to of been fixed

[golden gust]

1. that's added in .1, not release

2. That's not a bug, that's literally a feature.

[sleek tree]

Wut?

you know the dupe I#m talking about right

With the nether portal

[golden gust]

Literally not heard of that one

[sleek tree]

Cause I just watched my man do this on 1.19

[golden gust]

probably fixed by the other long standing fixes in paper

(or even a fix from spigot for that matter, portal dupes go back so long)

[frank steeple]

Technoblade died

[sleek tree]

yes

[frank steeple]

:(

Sad

What will happen now to his channel

[sleek tree]

🤷

it'll stay there

till youtube deletes it or smth ig

[golden gust]

YT doesn't touch the channels of people whom pass afaik, but, google does have a keyholder type system iirc

[frank steeple]

Imagine dieing after starting VR minecraft series

[golden gust]

so, it's somewhat common for big stars for their family to take over the channel for a short while and address condolences, etc

[frank steeple]

What

What is keyholder

[golden gust]

Basically, google lets you control what happens if you pass

generally that's basically "do nothing", "give access to a trusted member", or "yeet info"

[frank steeple]

Ok

[golden gust]

That's why when people pass whom are big, you'll often see families, parents, wifes, husbands, etc; take the channel and offer thanks and such for the messages

[rare python]

He seemed like he was getting better in his videos, wonder what happened.

[warm anchor]

Cancer is a bitch that's what happened

[golden gust]

the body does weird shit when it's dying

You should hear the stories of care homes, etc

Like, people whom for months have been bed bound, etc; will all of a sudden pop up, even dementia patients, pretty much back to normal as if nothing happened, before they pass; They have to warn families about it because it's a kicker, it's like, everything wrong with them disappeares and then just suddently they pop

[frank steeple]

I feel kinda bad for him

[golden gust]

and like, that can last for a few hours, a few days, a few months even

[warm anchor]

Terminal lucidity is the word I think

[golden gust]

Yea, "the rally"

||remember, cancer is a bitch, so before life tickles your arse, get your doctor to tickle your prostate||

[frank steeple]

What

[hexed imp]

am i literally blind or is paper.yml gone in 1.19

[crystal lily]

Where did paper.yml go?

In 1.19, paper.yml has been split into two files, both in the config directory. In paper-global.yml you will find configuration that changes behavior of the whole server, and in paper-world-defaults you will find configuration that can be overridden on a per world basis. See https://docs.papermc.io/paper/per-world-configuration for more information on overrides. The function of server.properties, bukkit.yml, and spigot.yml remains unchanged for this time.

[scarlet axle]

config folder

nooo im a bit too slow

[hexed imp]

got it ty

[sick yarrow]

guys paper.jar doesnt open

i tried many cmds as well but it doesnt seem to work

[golden gust]

if using a bat file, edit the last line and add PAUSE

(and #paper-help

[worn ember]

(and git gud

[strong sluice]

should i use this https://flags.sh/ ?

what optimisations does it make

[lilac moon]

aikar's flags for one

[lament patio]

They make garbage collection pauses shorter

[strong sluice]

anything else

[golden gust]

it optimises the garbage collector for MC, and disables one or two extra things which aren't needed by most people running servers which can have a performance penalty

https://mcflags.emc.gs goes over the tweaks a bit

[vernal moth]

Man, am finally famous enough to get a shit storm

That's so nice

https://i.imgur.com/RJS6sIl.png

[worn ember]

smh mini you dum puppet

[primal kraken]

Lmao what

[primal kraken]

People sometimes smh

[golden gust]

How dare you have a nuanced opinion which doesn't agree with me 100%!

Bloody core team, amirite

[worn ember]

Exactly!

instead of getting yelled at work on hangar

[vernal moth]

Am still at work

[wet storm]

beer abuser

[worn ember]

oh that reminds me i still have booze in the fridge, thanks

[vernal moth]

It's quite fun, the guys I was out with yesterday are all coworkers, apprentices actually. I was late cause I had to finish something at work, and they were like, wait, you actually do work? All we ever hear from you is that you are helping somebody. And then today, it's 2pm already, and I haven't written a single line of code because I spend all day solving other people's problems 😂

[worn ember]

Tech support Martin

[charred sleet]

There are probably some people here that can help. I have a react bundle for an app here, is there a way to like host it in a dev mode on my pc and attach some sort of debugger

[limber knot]

ok why tf is windows so shit? -.-

how can they not support high DPI and scaling properly in 2022?!?

[void void]

how high is high DPI

I use 1200 dpi no issues

[limber knot]

dpi doesn't matter, the issue is custom scaling

I run my main display at 125% and other displays at 100% will have blurry text in some win32 applications

makes zero sense that it would even touch a display that has zero scaling applied

multi-display support in windows has always been a joke but this is absurd lol (it's also an issue that has been reported as far back as 2016 and they did nothing beyond advicing to just buy the same displays)

[wet storm]

happy canada day

(and my birthday)

[dapper pumice]

Happy bday then

[foggy silo]

I mean again yes you can do that, but chat types allow you to modify quite a bit.

[wet storm]

thanks

[obtuse sundial]

Hello people, I need help related to vision since I can only see other players at a reduced distance and I cannot increase it in the server settings (I have tried to increase view distance and simulation distance

[foggy silo]

Happy birthday

[prime pier]

Increase players' tracking range in spigot.yml

[spice ether]

https://news.itsfoss.com/red-hat-accessibility-gnome/

Noice

[limber knot]

one of the many reasons why gnome 2 is the best window manager 👀

[obtuse sundial]

thx I have fixed it

[limber knot]

til that you can set a server-wide text-filtering-config now

https://is.papr.best/g5MHp18C.png

[brave mountain]

Facts

[brave mountain]

ODD

[limber knot]

(it's because the message is from a point in time when the server didn't enforce secure profiles and it was then restarted with that enabled)

after that restart it marks all old messages as unverified as they weren't signed before

[little frost]

wait it remembers messages past restarts?

[void void]

pretty sure it preserves it if you reconnect yeah

not with a client restart obvs

[magic river]

In the early GNOME 2 era you could argue it, especially when paired with Ubuntu, was the best system for a blind user

The pieces were being worked on by several companies and no one ever managed to quite put them together so... Ubuntu

[worn ember]

didnt they remove that in 1.8?

[void void]

that's regular chat history

[magic river]

Then macOS and Windows caught up (Windows always had some major advantages in some ways, too), GNOME got worse, and Ubuntu stopped caring

[void void]

it should remember reportable messages iirc

[worn ember]

[spiral robin]

@mossy vessel

[worn ember]

minecraft weird game

[mossy vessel]

hello aber

[spiral robin]

Good morning

[mossy vessel]

very late morning

[spiral robin]

Jenkins 3 when

[mossy vessel]

No v3 needed, I strip API when I find it unmaintainable

[ashen cliff]

When Jenkins 2 has 0 exploits left in its plugins.

[void void]

soooo, right after hangar releases?

[ashen cliff]

1 day before.

[mossy vessel]

Defo never happen in this century lol

[worn ember]

work ensured at least

[ashen cliff]

Don't worry. I'll be waiting.

[magic river]

Wait so is jenkins like wordpress?

[ashen cliff]

Well, even worse.

[magic river]

The plugins poke at random shit inside the core, everyone has decided to call that API so it's an old ugly mess that can't be fixed, and all the plugins are packed full of security bugs and run 1000x slower than needed?

[mossy vessel]

Using an abstract example; it's like Paper, you can run it standalone but plugins bring in the fun... just that plugin authors often know little to nothing about protecting their stuff against common csrfs

[worn ember]

sure blame the plugin devs

[wet storm]

blame dinnerbone for this commit https://github.com/Bukkit/Bukkit/commit/4e8311a6551e8d7794cff73c57a481251b47459c

[crimson heart]

Hey, sorry if this question has already been answered somewhere: Is there some central platform/repository where I can upload the Paper or Velocity plugins I've written or download such plugins from others? I've read about Hangar but this seems to be still in development.

[rare python]

Paper Forums? Spigot Resources? Other than that, not really.

[coarse venture]

am i missing something? i am inside general, but i no longer see general under social? O_o

[vernal moth]

Just discord things

[mossy vessel]

As always 😌

[void void]

You on canary?

[foggy silo]

Oh no

Spam bots on paper

992465597516496906

[void void]

hi
so suddenly i have weird white outlines around blocks
how do i fix it
it appeared suddenly

[magic river]

Isn't that one F3-B?

It's one of the F3 debug things

[void void]

no i tried to do f3 b

its still there

[magic river]

Actually, screenshot?

White outlines doesn't make sense

[void void]

i can actually

[magic river]

That sounds like if anything it's a shader problem or a GPU driver thing

[void void]

screenshare in dms

if you dont mind

[magic river]

I'm supposed to be working right now, don't really have time for all that

[void void]

i see

nvm

[magic river]

F3-G is chunk borders but those aren't white and aren't around individual blocks

[void void]

no

each block has a white thing above it

in its border

[magic river]

The only way I know of to get any kind of halo or pixelated edges around blocks is with a bad client mod, that old super secret shaders thing, or a GPU driver issue

[void void]

like a 1 pixel gap around each block

i use vanilla

[vernal moth]

Eraser is busy and actioning accounts like crazy rn

[magic river]

Try turning off/down mipmaps and antialiasing

[void void]

how do i do that

[magic river]

hmm maybe vanilla doesn't expose those options

[ashen cliff]

Ah. AA and the GPU drivers being funny.

[magic river]

Oh yeah it does, in video settings turn down mipmap levels

[stiff widget]

update the server icon pride month is over

[magic river]

Eh, it could just stay there, no rush

[void void]

whats mipmap

[stiff widget]

sort of like lower res textures

decrease render time

per scene

[void void]

this is how it looks like

[wet storm]

👀

[void void]

its from google not mine

but close

[magic river]

More or less, mipmaps are pregenerated lower resolution versions of textures that are used for small/far away things

[void void]

ty

[wet storm]

something new in server notification settings

[void void]

people told me to reinstall driver

and so ton of shit

lemme try

[magic river]

Yeah that looks like a GPU driver bug, hopefully turning down mipmaps or using your GPU control panel to force antialiasing and/or anisotropic filtering to off will work around it

[void void]

im not playing with pc settings

to avoid breaking stuff

i though its a java bug

[lament patio]

That happens when you enable antialiasing in the nVidia control panel, set it off for javaw.exe

[void void]

so i updated java

[stiff widget]

try turning off AA

[magic river]

I think old AMD drivers would just do this out of the box, no fix

[void void]

mimap made it worst

[magic river]

But I could see AA force enabled in the driver causing this, yeah

[void void]

does disabling it affect other games

[ashen cliff]

I remember that problem being a Nvidia thing.

[stiff widget]

no, if any game developer is good they use msaa and not stupid taa

[ashen cliff]

No, since you do it per game.

[magic river]

I thought the nvidia bug for that was only on Linux

[void void]

can i vc in someone dm

to show how it looks

[magic river]

MSAA is slow, TAA accomplishes literally the same thing but faster

TAA is basically just MSAA but over several frames

[unkempt jackal]

to me, TAA always look kinda blurry. Not sharp enough

[magic river]

So on startup and on scene changes it looks a little worse but after a couple frames it looks just as good or better but is also faster

[void void]

well

it looks really bad

can someone vc with me

so i stream it

[magic river]

In parts of the picture without motion, TAA effectively computes MSAA over multiple frames and achieves the same quality as MSAA with lower computational cost.

[void void]

im in typing sounds

[golden gust]

It's nothing to do with java

minecraft uses a magical library which sends instructions and such over to the GPU

[magic river]

So yeah if you have a lot of fast motion TAA will never catch up

[stiff widget]

where u getting that from?

[void void]

and how do i fix it

i never changed any gpu settings

[golden gust]

generally, check GPU settings

[magic river]

That's from wikipedia but it makes sense to me based on what I know about GPU things

[void void]

i never touched said settings

[magic river]

I always sucked at the math but I tried to be a gamedev for a few years

[golden gust]

Cool, and we're telling you that you maybe wanna touch them

[unkempt jackal]

yeah, you're right, TAA stands for temporal anti-aliasing and temporal means time based

[stiff widget]

I personally prefer msaa because it samples the whole image, and taa just samples the edges

[void void]

it looks like this

[magic river]

MSAA is trying to cheat it's way in to looking like SSAA, TAA is more or less MSAA but computed over several frames

[void void]

see the far blocks in the ground

[magic river]

FXAA is the edge sampling one

[void void]

has a few white pixels around them

[stiff widget]

also easier to implement from a programming perspective, as you don't need to calculate the motion vector between frames, and can just sample the swapchain image

msaa

[karmic shore]

How would I get in contact with a moderator?

[void void]

like what caused this

[magic river]

Use /modmail

[karmic shore]

Sweet. Thanks

[stiff widget]

uhh whats the problem here

[void void]

check the blocks

in the far back

[stiff widget]

oh its a gamma correction issue

something wrong with ur opengl drivers

[void void]

here is another angle

[magic river]

You don't even need to implement MSAA, it's just a toggle you flip on and a different framebuffer type

[unkempt jackal]

try updating your gpu drivers

[void void]

updated

[stiff widget]

yea its gpu drivers

[void void]

rip technoblade

[stiff widget]

reinstall

[magic river]

MSAA happens under the covers as driver/GPU magic when invoking the pixel shader

[void void]

do i have to worry about something broken in my pc

[stiff widget]

what u using opengl or vulkan?

[void void]

or is it just a mild bug

[magic river]

That's with GL, I haven't done anything with vulkan beyond hello world (a triangle)

Vulkan didn't exist when I thought I was going to make a game

[stiff widget]

vulkan is boilerplate hell, and its a bit more difficult to implement msaa in it

[magic river]

That game idea was basically Minecraft + mcMMO but with a Cube World look 😛

[void void]

do i have to be worried

[stiff widget]

its a mild bug

[void void]

okay thanks

are there mods to fix it

or a tpack

[magic river]

Although really more like Trove since I also wanted most of the world to be regenerated and only spots you specifically marked out for building be persistent

I got some kind of neat but basic world generation, a really crap renderer, and most of a framework for a game engine going

Too much yak shaving, I kept finding a new infrastructure bit to work on (because that's the stuff I like to do)

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSehcT19u0

[fallen grotto]

isn't msaa really heavy

[stiff widget]

SSAA is really heavy

[fallen grotto]

compared to other anti aliasing

[magic river]

Compared to SSAA, no. Compared to basically any other AA technique, yes.

[fallen grotto]

fxaa is probably way lighter but looks shit

[stiff widget]

fxaa is lightest I believe

[fallen grotto]

well of course SSAA is intensive

[magic river]

FXAA is lighter but looks worse, TAA is lighter but looks worse in fast paced games (although you notice aliasing in those less too...), and then you have DLSS and DLAA which either look worse but are faster or look better but are slower (and only work on nvidia cards)

[stiff widget]

DLSS and DLAA are upscaling, not blending tho right

[fallen grotto]

isn't there also DLDSR

[magic river]

There are a ton of variants of FXAA and TAA too as games and engines tweak things for their specific setup

[fallen grotto]

or something

wait that's upscaling not AA

[magic river]

Upscaling and AA are kind of the same thing 😄

[stiff widget]

upscaling is a method of AA

[fallen grotto]

well yeah but not exactly

[stiff widget]

AA is basically trying to remove the jagged edges in an image

[magic river]

All upscaling techniques are also useful as AA but not vice versa

[fallen grotto]

dlss also does anti aliasing right

pretty sure it does

that's been a lifesaver in some games to find a balance between looking good and running well

[magic river]

DLAA has AA right in the name 😛

DLSS is mostly the same technique, just moving the sliders toward the "go fast" side

[unkempt jackal]

I really like dlss

I don't use it a whole lot since I'm on a 1080p monitor and can run most games just fine at the resolution, but if I had 1440p or higher I would totally use it more

[golden gust]

I mean, if you know what you're doing theres often stuff you can do, really depends on how you set it up

[lilac moon]

you can't docker exec a shell inside?

If you don't delete the container its overlay should be browsable too

There's an extension I forget what its called but it let's you extract the data from the containee

what kind of error

was it like something something exec not in $PATH

O

Do you remember what the image was

Did you delete the container

[idle plover]

so long nerds

[void void]

where can i download texture pack

safely

[lament patio]

Minecraft forum or something

As long as you're not downloading texturepack.exe or texturepack.jar and have a good adblock you'll be safe, really

[void void]

what if the zip

is harmfull

is it normal for a texture pack to be 200 mb

[lilac moon]

Good

[magic river]

They aren't always just texture packs, they could be redefining models too

But even just textures if it's something goofy like a 512x pack it might be the large?

[void void]

https://texture-packs.com/resourcepack/conquest/

is this site safe

or like legit

[twin lagoon]

download packs from curseforge

seems like they do redirect to curseforge

[void void]

good thing i stopped the download ig

there are many

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/texture-packs/search?search=conquest

can people truly copy it and add a virus to it

[magic river]

That site links to the curgeforge downloads

And it's 127MB for the 32x pack, I guess texture packs got bigger

[worn ember]

it just points to the download file

[magic river]

Or it's doing some models and stuff too

[worn ember]

i dont get why such sites even exist

they just "steal" content and put all the traffic on the original source anyway

[magic river]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/texture-packs/conquest_/

[worn ember]

its like hot linking but worse

[golden gust]

ez ad traffic, especially if you're just proxying resources, etc

[worn ember]

ez adblock too

[golden gust]

CF also does a pretty shit job of SEO iirc, so, not much effort

[void void]

im trying to add a texture pack

to fix my issue

[void void]

.

this

will it work?

[magic river]

That (probably) won't fix it

[void void]

if i use a texture pack

[golden gust]

^

[void void]

oh shit ;/

well

[golden gust]

Adding a texture pack isn't gonna break your GPU drivers doing a dumb

[magic river]

The problem is rendering the blocks, changing what texture you put on them doesn't change how the block is rendered

[golden gust]

once again, go look at the configs

Otherwise, wait to see if the GPU vendor fixes it

[worn ember]

i dont see the issue?

[golden gust]

I had stupid shit like that from time to time with nvidea

[void void]

look in the blocks that are far

they have white transparent white ligne around them

and how did you fix them

did you find any fix

[magic river]

Basically MC is relying on the lines between blocks being rendered identically across different draw calls but due to precision errors or some kind of AA setting they aren't so you get holes

[worn ember]

oh

which GPU do you have?

[golden gust]

I mean, it was years ago, sometimes another GPU update fixed it, sometimes I toyed with the settings until it fixed it

[worn ember]

i remember having white lines on my blocks due to some settings i changed in amd radeon software

[void void]

nvidia geoforce 1070

[golden gust]

GPU stuff was never my forte

yea, check the AA settings, as amaranth said

probs wanna force a different setting for minecraft

[void void]

will it affect other games

[golden gust]

Not if you do it per app

[void void]

i guess i will just ignore it for now

dont want to break something

[worthy geode]

I remember having this as well when I changed some nvidia settings in the control panel.
Make sure you have it set to "application controlled" or whatever its called, otherwise it tries to force AA and that can lead to issues like this

[magic river]

That depends on the png

200 bytes would be something mostly a single color

[visual egret]

my physics teacher told me to get an arduino uno and I bought a wemos d1 and assumed it’s the same thing but cheaper

big mistake

[pliant elm]

where can i report a scam dm

[visual egret]

post their id here

and a screenshot

[novel horizon]

Screenshot isn't really that big of a proof, but 🤷‍♂️

[pliant elm]

when their name is literally events academy 🚩

[golden gust]

probs already been yeeted

Urgh, a good bunch of them are still here...

or not...

[molten egret]

Somethin ain’t right

[worthy geode]

I highly doubt that's lossless somehow

[magic river]

paletted is only lossless if the thing only has a small number of colors

Even then it wouldn't be 200 bytes unless you had large areas of the same color

Your basic PNG is more or less just a BMP file run through some (reversible) filters to make zlib able to compress it better

But you can get fancy with those filters, compress it harder, or switch to paletted mode

PNGs also often have a lot of metadata about how they were made

[coarse lily]

"Made with care!" - PNG

[safe flame]

Something that's worth mentioning here is Zopfli, basically DEFLATE on steroids.
https://github.com/google/zopfli
-> make zopflipng

I checked, it's absolutely proprietary

I'll try zopflipng on them

[lament patio]

Try PNGQuant

[safe flame]

that would incur quality loss by definition

[lament patio]

Lossy, but pretty good imo

[safe flame]

If lossy compression is the goal, you might as well use WebP.

Seriously, it's more than recognizable even at q5, it's amazing.

[lament patio]

Aren't we keeping the format png

[safe flame]

Depends on what you want.

[lament patio]

Original context

[safe flame]

I'm getting 70-80% of the original file size, awesome

optimizing faithful 32x right now

Currently downloading that pack though.

[smoky cloud]

WebP also has a lossless mode

[safe flame]

holy balls my phone is getting hot

[safe flame]

Yeah, and it's better than PNG.

[smoky cloud]

Anything is better than PNG

[safe flame]

not really

PNG is quite good all in all

[magic river]

WebP is kind of meh

[smoky cloud]

I think modern JPEG also has a lossless mode but it never caught on

[safe flame]

Why that? Want to jump straight to AVIF?

[smoky cloud]

Or HEIC

[safe flame]

JPEG2K had lossless but JPEG2K never got big

[safe flame]

heic just kinda meh

because absolutely patent-encumbered

[smoky cloud]

Depends on your jurisdiction

[safe flame]

quite the outlier

[magic river]

HEIC is a minefield, AVIF is okay but none of these are that much better (or any better, sometimes) than JPEG XL which has the advantage of being able to losslessly convert to/from original JPEG for compatibility

[safe flame]

Seems nice, but I would choose AVIF simply because it compresses very well and already has many fast and free decoder implementations as part of AV1

[magic river]

AVIF is the way to go if you need a GIF replacement

[safe flame]

Yeah, absolutely. Currently through, a project/community I'm interested in that had been using GIF very widely is already having issues transitioning to animated WebP

(ALSO the one thing that annoys me is that FFmpeg still does not seem to support animated WebP decoding, I'd add it if I were familiar with its core base)

[magic river]

JPEG XL apparently compresses better than AVIF for lossless (not really a strong point for either format) and, with current encoders, is generally considered to produce pretty quality files at the file sizes (aka quality levels) typically used for images on the web

[safe flame]

dang

[magic river]

Most images on the web are (the equivalent of) libjpeg q60-90. AVIF beats JXL below the equivalent of q40. Above q50, JXL is better.

[safe flame]

I'm having a hard time believing that -- sauce?

[magic river]

None of these are a good replacement for PNG in a video game though 😛

[safe flame]

Well, not necessarily. The only thing I could think of is FLIF

[magic river]

The advantage of PNG for a video game is how simple the decoder is

[magic river]

That's a quote on https://avif.io/blog/comparisons/avif-vs-jpegxl/ dunno where they got it from though

They source a person's twitter account but not a specific tweet

[safe flame]

For sure, but if you want simplicity, try QOI or simply P[BGPNA]M :P

[magic river]

Guessing he said it at a conference or something

PPM is huge, QOI is some hobby project less than a year old

PNG is a nice trade off of size and complexity. zlib is tiny, well understood, and has a few implementations while the rest of the format is fairly small and easy to write a parser for

Especially if you don't need to support everything

[safe flame]

Yeah, but it's lossless :trol:. QOI is a good contendor though. It has similar compression ratio, much faster speed, and it doesn't require zlib.

[magic river]

QOI could be a replacement if the tooling gets there

Or if you're willing to build a PNG->QOI converter into your asset pipeline

[safe flame]

The reference decoder (https://github.com/phoboslab/qoi/blob/master/qoi.h ) is quite simple, if not streaming. A streaming decoder would work as well.

[magic river]

Also I bet your game is going to be using zlib somewhere else anyway so the complexity of PNG is somewhat paid for

[safe flame]

Yeah, possible. Still, the speed could be an advantage.

[potent wedge]

Is there a image format that records things in RGB, like
123<?>123<?>123<?><?>

[magic river]

Sure, it's the best competitor for PNG in games for that reason

[safe flame]

@potent wedge http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/

[safe flame]

(sorry, wrong link)

edited

[potent wedge]

💀