general

[visual egret]

do you have root?

[jovial plover]

i have root

i am root

[molten egret]

quick bug fixes on what?

[smoky cloud]

SELinux?

[jovial plover]

i own root

[coarse venture]

here's some info; https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-on-ubuntu-20-04

[visual egret]

python, java, other stuff I work with

[molten egret]

run it with sudo

[limber knot]

@visual egret what was this https://github.com/OskarZyg/Velocity-Stats gonna be

[smoky cloud]

SELinux can still block a root-running process

[visual egret]

wha

I made that?

[limber knot]

It's not forked so

[visual egret]

uh

I don’t remember lmao

[limber knot]

Lol

[visual egret]

it was a public plugin turned internal turned useless turned dead

that’s all I remember

[limber knot]

Only one commit

[jovial plover]

why the what

[molten egret]

https://github.com/OskarZyg/byteKode-Pro-MultiThread

damn that vm is revolutionary

[limber knot]

All it has is a readme.md lol

[jovial plover]

should i use pterovm for the mails

[visual egret]

my only shitpost

most my stuff is @void voidsMC-Network or @void voidsMC-Plugins

sorry random guy

blame mobile discord

[spiral robin]

Curious

[jovial plover]

why will the postfix not fix the post on 25 port

[limber knot]

This one has some effort in it https://github.com/OskarZyg/Dynmap-GUI

[visual egret]

don’t look at my old plugins they’re awful 😭

[jovial plover]

i make shitty plugins :)

[spiral robin]

Private archive 😄

[jovial plover]

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[spiral robin]

I did that to a bunch of stuff recently

[visual egret]

I should too

apt, I really doubt node v10 is the latest version

[jovial plover]

it isnt

17 is

[spiral robin]

Isn’t it 18 now

Or am I tripping

[visual egret]

classic Debian

it’s telling me v10 is latest

[potent wedge]

Very feature-full

[merry talon]

https://github.com/tj/n

[visual egret]

yeah

[merry talon]

is very poggers

[little rapids]

There been a conversation about the new Mojang ban system here yet?

[visual egret]

yeah

[spiral robin]

Too many

[visual egret]

let’s not talk about it until we get more information

[jovial plover]

https://i-own-a.blacklisted.store/nEvfnJyT

[little rapids]

That's all I'm trying to get is some more info

[jovial plover]

wait wtf i screenshotted my screenshot

[little rapids]

Guessing there ain't much

[little rapids]

Lol

[limber knot]

lmao

[jovial plover]

why wont the postfix

[tired heath]

Every had the problem of super slow Hashmaps and other key based data structures. No need to worry no more, turn your Hashmap to 11 with the super fast and efficient super serious hashcode and equals implementation within your data object.

    public boolean equals(Object o) {
        return true;
    }

    @Override
    public int hashCode() {
        return 1;
    }``` 🤓

[floral mesa]

would just suggest using libvirt or docker-compose, I dont trust pterodactyl enough right now to manage core infrastructure

[visual egret]

that package is killing me

[covert pier]

have you found the solution to this problem because we have been struggling with this error since the arrival of 1.19

[visual egret]

https://nodejs.org down for anyone else?

nvm, just firewall stuff

[jovial plover]

why dont u trust ptero

[plucky plaza]

Is this clever or dumb?

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-19-1-release-candidate-1

https://piston-meta.mojang.com/v1/packages/7dfa5b74bfc31004f98e55a8790bbc5ef892d6fe/1.19.1-rc1.json

[jovial plover]

pisston

[plucky plaza]

ha!

[waxen panther]

hilarious thank you, now back to class

[twin lagoon]

Send more NYC pics @waxen panther

[waxen panther]

I will

[twin lagoon]

[plucky plaza]

lol, he's got the same name as me and is also from Sweden

Östergård, more like East-Farmyard

[twin lagoon]

hilarious thank you, now back to class

[junior blade]

not sure if it matters anymore but its up for me

[jovial plover]

👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋

what is a good vpn for netflix

[plucky plaza]

oh, sorry, you meant like waving

[junior blade]

that emoji should be default its amazing

[jovial plover]

@thorny flicker

https://i-own-a.blacklisted.store/XXr4fxbF

"no"

[potent wedge]

F

[jovial plover]

unban

ez

[junior blade]

you pinged a bot btw

[jovial plover]

ik

[magic river]

We need to talk about weeb shit more, chat is getting weird

[potent wedge]

Why do people keep learning how TCP works? It's literally there to make your life easier. You don't need to make your life harder.

[hexed dragon]

Expected release date for 1.19.1 is Tuesday.

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[magic river]

Didn't we already know that?

[potent wedge]

Paper chan my beloved 😍😍😍

[mild rune]

[molten egret]

let's go back to pure ip

[visual egret]

didn’t someone order a body pillow of paper chan

[molten egret]

wait wah

[magic river]

Yes

[visual egret]

did they ever get it

[hexed dragon]

yes

forgot it said on pre 1

[void void]

Will paper 1.19.1 have anti microsoft chat-report thing (You can remove chat report feature easily by removing sign)

[magic river]

No?

[potent wedge]

I hope not

[magic river]

There currently isn't any API for doing chat previews and such properly so all chat is technically doing that already

[hexed dragon]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[molten egret]

I could name 5 better chars to get a body pillow of

[mild rune]

Cannot wait for Mojang to make Minecraft just ignore unsigned chats

[magic river]

But blocking reporting also means removing the ability for users to hide chat

[potent wedge]

There is no better character to get a body pillow of.

We need a paper chan anime

[molten egret]

1. The rock

[magic river]

And you could manually report people before anyway and they actually did ban people before

[potent wedge]

Stop being gay

[magic river]

So this is just a system to do it in game and have more confidence the reports are accurate

[void void]

wdym "manually report people?"

[potent wedge]

Email mojang

[void void]

Wait is that a thing!?

[visual egret]

gay is good 😌

[jovial plover]

I L I K E T H E R E P O R T S I D E A

[magic river]

You send messages to Mojang Support with screenshots or something of someone being super toxic and Mojang deletes their account

This has been a thing for years

[void void]

No way that works it's super easy to fake proof

[jovial plover]

^

simple tellraw

[molten egret]

[magic river]

I don't know the specifics of how they do it, what proof they need, etc

I just know it is a thing

[jovial plover]

account deleted

[mild rune]

Mojang has had account banning for literal years at this point

[coarse lily]

There's probaby historically been some combination of incriminating screenshots and "this person also has a racist skin on their account".

[mild rune]

It's not new at all

[magic river]

They also apparently just idle in servers bedrock shows by default and ban people

[jovial plover]

daaang

[coarse lily]

If I had a dollar for every person who was a toolshed and got banned who also had a Hitler skin I'd be able to buy a car.

[jovial plover]

if i had a pound for every pound i have i'd have £35#

[void void]

wtf so i can basically ban anyone with disgusting skin by creating fake proof of abusive chat

[molten egret]

Bedrock featured servers have signed a contract with mojang

[coarse lily]

No. We aren't saying that.

You've just been able to report people to Mojang in the past.

This isn't much different.

[jovial plover]

tellraw

[visual egret]

Id have £0 because I have 5p in my bank account

[twin lagoon]

if we can just collaboratively shut up about the goddamn chat reporting system discussion that is going on in every goddamn discord

[coarse lily]

Yeah

[jovial plover]

i have £35.05

[magic river]

I have no idea what their process has been in the past for trying to verify things, what proof is required, etc

[visual egret]

my freiends need to stop having birthdays icl

[coarse lily]

Please shitpost/troll less.

[potent wedge]

I have America dollars :)

[magic river]

I just know people have been banned in the past from reports to Mojang Support

[twin lagoon]

all of these discussions are the exact same shit every time

[magic river]

Yep

[jovial plover]

it's mine tmrw

[twin lagoon]

they're not productive at all

and then you have the people who complain about it because they've done 0 research

[jovial plover]

wym

[visual egret]

good thing you’re not my friend because I wouldn’t be able to get you anything

[coarse lily]

They're also all premature.

[twin lagoon]

that too

[jovial plover]

yeah

[potent wedge]

So is paper chan the only Convo the mods like???

[smoky cloud]

Paper-chan is the only convo we need

[unkempt jackal]

[potent wedge]

[smoky cloud]

[potent wedge]

I have an entire zip of paper chan :)

[unkempt jackal]

[potent wedge]

No not that logo that logo bad

[coarse lily]

@twin lagoon how do you feel about "paper chan"?

[magic river]

This one? https://auri.gay/top-secret

[twin lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[shy eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/baka-gif-19268094

[mild rune]

[coarse lily]

Same.

[mild rune]

too many weebs

[potent wedge]

Ye

[magic river]

The “Profanity”, “Nudity or pornography” and “Extreme violence or gore” categories have been removed

[shy eagle]

Minecraft slice of life anime coming soon

[magic river]

RIP having categories to filter dumb reports in to

[mild rune]

I saw they added more context to the reports which is nice

[potent wedge]

Mods odnt like talking about that change back to paper chan

[magic river]

Increased the amount of chat context sent with each chat report

[jovial plover]

o.o

[magic river]

Hey look it's almost like they aren't done yet and are still adjusting it based on testing and feedback

[mild rune]

runs

[coarse venture]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[mild rune]

I seent that

👀

[jovial plover]

how do u know

[visual egret]

that sums up 90% of the arguments since initial release

[coarse venture]

meant to post the link

[jovial plover]

what the protocol version is

sussy :]

[magic river]

They just increment it by one each release

[shy eagle]

So is everyone just planning to ignore the 1.19.1 update for now? I don't think I am planning to update my server and just use viaversion.

[magic river]

Whether the packets changed or not

[twin lagoon]

that's great

won't change anything

[potent wedge]

Wait 1.19 is out??

[jovial plover]

https://i-own-a.blacklisted.store/TsSn208Q huh? mot shows

[coarse venture]

1.19 has been out since june 7th

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[jovial plover]

motd *

[coarse venture]

just wanted to share the article i saw about the chat stuff, so ppl can stop whining

[potent wedge]

Wow

[spare venture]

why are you avoiding 1.19.1?

[peak ginkgo]

https://server.properties/

who was this again

[shy eagle]

Ya, though 1.19.1 is what everyone is arguing about because of the reporting/banning features being added.

Well from what I have heard, I have not really looked into it myself.

[spare venture]

read that help article https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[peak ginkgo]

You want racists/pedophiles/certified bad people on your server?

[spare venture]

^

[peak ginkgo]

Literally free moderation and everyones salty

[twin lagoon]

ryan from minesuperior

[covert pier]

Hi guys
Has anyone had this error and managed to fix it?
It appeared since the release of 1.19 and the viaversion update ..... we've been trying to fix this problem for two weeks but we can't 😦

[twin lagoon]

@ him in lounges

[magic river]

Oh I thought sulu ran that

[spare venture]

“everyone’s” salty because they’re either very misinformed or they are the people who are going to be banned

[coarse venture]

they think 5 bullies reporting you will result in account bans.

[mild rune]

I've just been reading it all and eating popcorn

[shy eagle]

I think I am just misinformed I guess. Though I am going by what I am seeing from youtubers which may be the wrong source xD

[visual egret]

y’all have clearly never been in a Minecraft server with a bunch of British schoolboys

[spare venture]

yeah no shit i don’t get my news from comedy central

[peak ginkgo]

i cant find him LOL

[visual egret]

that stuff scarred me lmfao

[twin lagoon]

titanicfreak

[peak ginkgo]

i need more people to use their real name on discord

remembering usernames is getting hard

[coarse lily]

Too many people are worried about getting bgrigaded/swatted/etc.

[hexed dragon]

I've had the same Discord username since 2018.

[mild rune]

I've had the same username since like 2006

It's a real easy one too

[visual egret]

that’s some dedication to Sous

[spare venture]

yeah i prefer not to have the people in the minecraft community knowing my identity

[visual egret]

soya

[peak ginkgo]

dude i run a server called mc party do you know how many times i open your dms instead of our discord

i cannot get my own server to show up first

[coarse lily]

This is obvious given how often you've changed it.

[magic river]

I've had this nick since 2003, get used to it 😛

[spare venture]

i have a copyright claim that i wanted to push today because someone is using my assets on tiktok, but tiktok said that they will forward my personal information to that person if i press a claim

so i guess i won’t press the claim

[coarse lily]

A copyright claim on tiktok?

For what?

[spare venture]

using our logo, our name, our videos

[magic river]

Oh yeah DMCA takedowns involve an exchange of personal details

[coarse venture]

What, youtubers making clickbait drama topics for views? 😄 yeah, they're not really a news source 😄

[spare venture]

it’s some damn kid who would just dox me, all i want is the account taken down or renamed and our IP removed

[magic river]

If you get a lawyer to submit the takedown it'll be their details instead

[coarse lily]

^

[spare venture]

are you saying you don’t want to dm me 🥺

[magic river]

Or if you have a real registered business it can be the business' details

[spare venture]

it requires a full name in their form

[coarse venture]

The party acting on your behalf, like a legal agent, will use their details, not yours, in those claims. You can request some company to send the dmca request on your behalf.

[spare venture]

yeah i don’t want to have to hire someone to do that, i’ll just live with my assets being stolen

[coarse venture]

sending out the mail through them is almost automated, not expensive

[warm anchor]

you dont have a LLC

you can do that through an entity no?

[coarse lily]

An LLC has a registered owner that can be looked up, Eternity.

So that doesn't really change anything.

[coarse venture]

at least in the netherlands and uk

[spare venture]

tiktok requires a form to be filled out with my information on it. full name is the one field i don’t really want to fill out

[peak ginkgo]

it depends on where you live

[coarse venture]

some ppl use their business name and po box, but, only handy if you already have one

[peak ginkgo]

some places publish that info

some dont

[warm anchor]

in my state, you can have a laywer to be on the name

[peak ginkgo]

if you hate money https://stripe.com/atlas

[spare venture]

yeah at this time it’s not worth the money spent

[warm anchor]

yeah you kinda need to be large enough for that

[coarse lily]

Sure, you can, but you have to setup the LLC for that.

If you register Eternity LLC as your name then there's a record of that.

(In the US)

[warm anchor]

yeah

part of doing business I guess

[lilac moon]

Delaware only?

[warm anchor]

most people here have their realname on GH anyway

[coarse lily]

My Github says "My real name is Eternity"

[warm anchor]

I mean as far as OVH Canada is concerned my first and last name are both Eternity

[peak ginkgo]

Delaware has better taxes and allows you to delegate a registered agent and stay private, so yeah

[waxen panther]

🥸

[lilac moon]

nice

[warm anchor]

Delaware wyoming and Nevada iirc

they are doing that for more state income "business friendly"

[lilac moon]

I don't live in any of those unfortunately

Well fortunately actually

[peak ginkgo]

you dont have to live there

[lilac moon]

No one lives in Wyoming and Nevada is just las vegas

[peak ginkgo]

thats just where the business exists

[lilac moon]

hmm

[peak ginkgo]

and you get a verified stripe account in the process

[spare venture]

it’s all personal income baby /s

[warm anchor]

some requires to have a phyical mailbox

and then a new business is born to sell you mailbox slots

[lilac moon]

I have an almost verified stripe account rn

[peak ginkgo]

https://www.theupsstore.com/mailboxes

[lilac moon]

True

[warm anchor]

exactly

[peak ginkgo]

not a po box, you just use the address of the store

and the store knows your box number for you

[warm anchor]

yeah they sort and reroute your mail for you

some even offer scanning service so you get an email of your phyical copies of mail

[lilac moon]

it's literally an IRL reverse proxy

[warm anchor]

yes

[coarse venture]

please pick a street named apache

[lilac moon]

mine is called caddy

[mild rune]

🤨

oh

I read that REALLY wrong

[magic river]

Delaware is the place to go if you need a shell company but also need it in the US

[thin hawk]

Rip to this shit https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[vernal moth]

Guys I need help

It's 20:22 and am drunk

This is like way too early

[daring laurel]

ok

[vernal moth]

The day only just begun

And they are threatening to get clubhing when they open at 9

Plus, we got bikes

[mild rune]

Mini

that's too late

should've started 3 hours ago

wtf

[magic river]

It's after 5pm so you're okay 😛

[vernal moth]

Well, we started at 5

After work

[mild rune]

ah good

[magic river]

Although maybe save the bike ride for tomorrow

[mild rune]

you're on track then

That's a nice bike tho

damn

[vernal moth]

Well, I can't leave the bike here

[magic river]

Get someone to film it then 😛

[thin hawk]

Does this effect all versions, also is there set ban times, game bans, muted across servers. Like how is this going to work in the long run?

[cerulean onyx]

hi

anyone can help me?

[vernal moth]

Hey, I can walk, my bike will carry me

[magic river]

We don't have ESP, we (mostly) only know what's on that page

Mojang has already done multiplayer bans before though so that's definitely a thing

And on Realms at least they have things configured so they can do global mutes

[thin hawk]

F “If action is taken, the offending player’s account is suspended from online play for some duration of time or in extreme cases permanently “

[vernal moth]

We migrated, I can sit now

Sitting good

Wait wrong pic

[warm anchor]

cannot imagine mini drunk on a bike

[magic river]

No step through frames?

[mild rune]

worst video ever

[magic river]

?

[vernal moth]

Lol am not riding

I value my health

[warm anchor]

hahahahhha

[vernal moth]

We aquired beer while we wait for the clubs to open

[magic river]

I value my health

It's 20:22 and am drunk

[vernal moth]

Ssssh

Am German, beer is in my nature

Apperently Marge will be joining us so that's good

[waxen panther]

thank god

[lilac moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/667889924233625613/989584069245423666/unknown.png

[ashen cliff]

Reported for profanity. /s

[plucky plaza]

Shit

[warm anchor]

This is not the place for appeal your Minecraft bans, please read the message and see how you can do it

[plucky plaza]

I was kidding, this feture hasn't even been implemented to servers yet

[warm anchor]

[plucky plaza]

If i'm not wrong

[warm anchor]

I should kick you for spreading false information then?

[plucky plaza]

It's still possible

[warm anchor]

what makes you think spreading such information is anything helpful to the current issue? I want to understand your thought process

[quasi valley]

Can we ban eternity for being a weeb

[warm anchor]

no

[tropic flame]

no

[warm anchor]

that's 2 vote against 1 kneny

[tropic flame]

indeed

I bet paper-chan would vote for eternity too

[foggy silo]

mc forgot to add the weeb option

[plucky plaza]

I was joking, since everyone was on the topic of the new reporting system a while back

I just discovered it

[warm anchor]

it's not a good joke especially how easy nowadays to make people believe you

[plucky plaza]

I don't think anyone would care that I got banned, just that it is possible now with the update.

So, beware

It can happen

[spiral robin]

Why are we still talking about the ban system

Get over it ppl

[glass crag]

thanks 🙂

[warm anchor]

fabricated screenshot with speculation is not really a good way to address the situation so it will be nice if you keep those fake screenshot off this Discord @plucky plaza

[twin lagoon]

@spiral robin node check

[spiral robin]

29.4K

[twin lagoon]

About to deploy more

[spiral robin]

How many pausechamp

[twin lagoon]

3

[spiral robin]

Sheesh

[plucky plaza]

It's not fabricated, It's from a legit source that tested the ban system. I just reposted his screenshot

It's how it's gonna look like

if you actually get banned

[spiral robin]

Ok thank you adde0109

[plucky plaza]

np

[vagrant marlin]

yeah

[thin hawk]

Mad man, you just drink beer or…?

[warm anchor]

[spiral robin]

[ashen cliff]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=java-openjdk-mid22&num=1

[potent wedge]

If we stop talking about it the people who added it will think we just didn't like it for a day and not that we hate it

[spiral robin]

Ah yes I forgot the Mojang team uses paper general chatting as their source of decision making

[smoky cloud]

I’d be interested in how GraalVM EE performs

[potent wedge]

https://c.tenor.com/ec5llMZOBd0AAAAM/imposter-tf2.gif

[hearty glacier]

What is the right text channel to talk about developing in general?

[warm anchor]

#paper-dev #waterfall-dev #velocity-dev

if not MC related, I guess here?

[vagrant marlin]

#bot-spam is the perfect chat

[vernal moth]

Beeeeeer

[quick obsidian]

that place looks sick

cheers 🍺

[potent wedge]

Why does discord think a picture of a old fashioned doctor pepper bottle think it's inappropriate

[frank otter]

random question about ipv6

why does every device on my network have a different public one it seems

[mild rune]

ISPs are able to assign more

[warm anchor]

I mean that’s the whole point (?)

[mild rune]

So you may have a small block assigned to you

[frank otter]

ah ok

which one do i put as a DNS aaaa record

[coarse lily]

What?

[mild rune]

Is this internal or external?

[frank otter]

external

i want it to be accessible from the web like if i put my public ipv4

[mild rune]

Might just be whatever the device has bound to. I never actually work with ipv6 since spectrum is still in the stone age

[frank otter]

oh wait is this ipv6 pinholes not port forwarding

hmm my "new" router doesnt have the same settings my old one does

[warm anchor]

You don’t have to portforward if device supports v6 fully iirc since the ip represent the unique device already

[frank otter]

i might have to turn off the firewall on the router

may I present to you all my routers cutting-edge user-friendly webgui

[mild rune]

Mine, even though I enter my password correctly, asks me to do a recovery reset

[frank otter]

oh when i was messing with ipv4 port forwarding it wouldnt let me forward any ports above 7183

we got that useless error popup

and its the same with v6 pinholes but up to 7547

[fallen grotto]

how is it user friendly if it doesn't show what the error is

[frank otter]

||/s||

[potent wedge]

You can tell from the great wind passing by rn

[fallen grotto]

some master oogway stuff fr

[sinful urchin]

not sure if this has already been mentioned, but couldn't reporting chats be circumvented by having a server plugin that just deletes then relays messages?

[void void]

Yes

[rare python]

Looks like a BT thingy

[waxen pagoda]

Anyone know a plugin where you could change the color of water?

[void void]

I believe Owen's biomevisuals can do that https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/biomevisuals.98607/

[spare venture]

i wonder if the CUG/EULA references intentionally circumventing mojangs moderation systems like this. i don’t recall any specific verbiage

[meager tusk]

can the mojang mods read albanian

[spare venture]

but that seems like a no-no. probably unenforceable tho

[meager tusk]

[spare venture]

only albanians are allowed to read albanian. balkan rule

[meager tusk]

Fact.

[visual egret]

I saw someone graffiti “kurwa” as “curva” on a school desk

they need to count their days

[sinful urchin]

im pretty sure some servers rely on plugins that would already circumvent the reporting

setting chat to "commands only" will sometimes still show user chats

[visual egret]

yeah, those are the bad ones that don’t assign an identity to components

wait how does ipv6 work does each device get its own ip

[white pine]

ping if you have questions about this https://discord.com/__development/link?s=Z7XEywE8rsgTvI0MR9P4OknzH4LtPi9j9%2Br8Hwzrohg%3D.eyJ0YXJnZXRCdWlsZE92ZXJyaWRlIjp7ImRpc2NvcmRfd2ViIjp7InR5cGUiOiJicmFuY2giLCJpZCI6ImFubmllL2RhcmsifX0sInJlbGVhc2VDaGFubmVsIjpudWxsLCJ2YWxpZEZvclVzZXJJZHMiOltdLCJhbGxvd0xvZ2dlZE91dCI6ZmFsc2UsImV4cGlyZXNBdCI6IlN1biwgMjggSmFuIDIwMjQgMDE6NTU6MDcgR01UIn0%3D

[visual egret]

not valid for iOS

what’s the feature of the override

[sinful urchin]

what on earth

[void void]

dark theme

[sinful urchin]

what happened to my discord

that is amazing

[white pine]

you can reset it

if you dislike it

[sinful urchin]

since when did this become a thing?

[white pine]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360030114991 here's your answers btw

[sinful urchin]

oh, thanks!

[white pine]

the support article is from 23 days ago

sooo

[sinful urchin]

lol

[fallen grotto]

this true?

[sinful urchin]

theres a discussion about it here:
https://forums.papermc.io/threads/mojang-chat-report.371/#post-1096

[pallid edge]

This broke my discord on my mac wtf

[white pine]

that's weird

you can undo it tho

[pallid edge]

Just says "starting..." Now when I open it

[pallid edge]

How?

[mighty storm]

no it from months ago, it was just last updated 23d ago

[white pine]

interesting

[mighty storm]

right click the gear and clear override

[white pine]

idk

[mighty storm]

I've tested some builds over the years

[white pine]

click the undo button

[mighty storm]

where did you get this lmao

[pallid edge]

Wellllll if discord doesn't start anymore i can't click anything

[limber knot]

:skull:

[mighty storm]

it works fine on my mac 🤨

[coarse venture]

Why do people still click on randon links they didn't ask for

[pallid edge]

Tiime to reinstall this electron piece of trash

[coarse venture]

oh a button [ click ] ..

[mighty storm]

i mean it's official

[pallid edge]

Hmmm

[coarse venture]

So?

[pallid edge]

Maybe cause I'm on the ventura beta

[mild rune]

good luck with that

I did the last beta and had to restore my mac on beta 4

lost proper network functions

[pallid edge]

Oh rip

[mighty storm]

do NOT use a macos beta on a production device lmao

[pallid edge]

I read it's pretty stable so I gave it a try

[fallen grotto]

player report systems never work well imo

just look at roblox

[mild rune]

MacOS is the only thing I won't beta test anymore

[mighty storm]

the past 3 betas there sbeen an issue where your mac goes bye if youre not funny enough

[mild rune]

rocking ios and watchos betas tho

[pallid edge]

Oh well I'm just renting mine for 3 months anyways

[mild rune]

this dark mode does slap though

I like a darker dark

[void void]

yeah it's great

been using it for a while now

it's still a bit rough around the edges, but it's an improvement over the standard one imo

[hot crystal]

https://youtu.be/rdoFUhd0EkI

Damn

Does anyone know how to disable this chat reporting thing in your server config?

[tropic flame]

the chat reporting system does not exist as of yet

[fast scarab]

sigh

[hot crystal]

Oh lol

[tropic flame]

it's still in development

[floral mesa]

I think its client also

not server

[ashen cliff]

Disable signature enforcing? 🛌

[void void]

there are server side workarounds for it

[mild rune]

can we ban the talk of chat reporting

[fast scarab]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/8043

[hot crystal]

Fit said you could disable it on your server

[fast scarab]

read up on kennys take on this

[tropic flame]

if it was a good idea, no one would talk about it

[smoky cloud]

Make it a Kaguya command

[void void]

the video you linked is probably going to be quite biased, since fit is a 2b2t player

[hot crystal]

In the vid

[fast scarab]

Well, fit said you can allow clients without public keys

does not mean your client won't have one

[spare venture]

i hope every account fit uses gets banned

[fast scarab]

also, fits video is from 1.19.1-pre1

checkout 1.19.1-rc1

some of the issues got addressed

[hot crystal]

Oh he means setting your server to offline mode

[fast scarab]

Well, at that point, gg

but yea, the 1.19.1-rc1 report categories are pretty good

[mild rune]

^

They're all like the most egregious offenses

[hot crystal]

Do people talk about that often here

[mild rune]

yes

[spare venture]

yeah people have shifted to “i will be banned by mistake with no chance of appeal”

[fast scarab]

too much

[spare venture]

then when that “problem” is addressed and clarified, they will find another “reason” to hate it. when the real reason they are concerned is pretty obvious

[mild rune]

My first take, I like the feature but I'll save my entire take for when it's fully in-place.

[hot crystal]

Ok it may not be a disaster but you shouldn't trust Microsoft at all imo so it's better to be sceptical

[fast scarab]

the pre1 profanity thing got me a bit confused but yea, rc1 looks pretty good

[void void]

Like I said earlier, some categories might not actually do anything other than preventing reports being miscategorised

[fast scarab]

Well those are gone now 😛

[tropic flame]

my take has always been that it's a good feature for Realms but unnecessary for third party servers as those should have their own moderation in place. they're not representatives of Mojang

but same, let's see what happens next

[void void]

oh, really?

[fast scarab]

where is your theory now noah huh

yea

[mild rune]

noah absolutely destroyed

[void void]

well then mojang are just shooting themselves in the foot

[mild rune]

reduced to ashes

[floral mesa]

Personally I think the system should have an opt out at the server level

[void void]

because now people will just select a random category if they believe a message should be bannable

[warm anchor]

Yeah his entire channel relies on edgy kids from 2b so he has to take a stand for his button lines

[floral mesa]

if a server wants said feature to keep those types of people banned, they should

[fast scarab]

Well, then rip to the moderators xD

[floral mesa]

be similar to valve's vac setup

[void void]

mojang interns are going to get a fun new side task

[ashen cliff]

I mean, you already know in advance that the feature will be used to promote mass banning (by streamers and/or influencers) of people they don't agree with.

Imagine playing Hypixel, you win a round of bedwars against some MVP+++ players, say GG, instant reported by the whole guild.

[floral mesa]

at least in implementation

[fast scarab]

lmao xD

imagine applying there as an intern

and that is what you do

[warm anchor]

Minecraft java server owner will explode if Mojang goes for Valve approach

[mild rune]

I'd gladly take a decent anticheat for minecraft

not even gonna lie

[fast scarab]

all of those reports are human reviewed aren't they ?

their help post also mentioned that false reporting will have consequences

[hot crystal]

Exactly. They force you to make your own server/pay for it yourself, so we should have FULL control over what happens on that server.

[warm anchor]

They are human reviewed yes

[void void]

well hey, at least you can just spew random theories and append "I work at mojang" despite not being informed about the shit you're talking about!

I see this as an absolute win!

[ashen cliff]

I mean, if it's a mass report, the chance of human error goes up.

[mild rune]

The wording makes it seem human reviewed but we won't know till it's fully done I think

[warm anchor]

That’s why they have punishment for false reporting as well

[tropic flame]

also if it's mass report, do they really have the manpower for all of them? watch them trying to automate it like youtube's copyright flagging

[floral mesa]

not really?

[ashen cliff]

You mean requiring the server owner to provide their Steam ID/Account to host a server?

[mild rune]

Ah the good ol GLST

[warm anchor]

Valve disallow any community server selling anything that’s close to official skins. Also no selling of ranks of any sort on community server

That’s 90% of java server profit

[floral mesa]

oh no, I meant the chat moderation ban

opt out

if servers want toxic players, they shouldnt stop them

[warm anchor]

Oh I thought you mean valves community guideline as a whole

[tropic flame]

that's why Counter-Strike: Source is still the best

[fast scarab]

[hot crystal]

Despite my pfp im not edgy at all and have never really liked playing on 2b2t but I understand why you think that

Lol

[floral mesa]

no, im referring to source servers having the option to enable/disable VAC

because it wouldnt shock me if some competitive PVP server or minigame server to "take" out the competition, at least for a little bit

[ashen cliff]

So, offline mode? /s

[warm anchor]

VAC is also unique with overwatch feature (not the game but the community driven cheat detection

Minecraft does not have reply so

[floral mesa]

yeah, but offline mode generally means accept everything, even if they arent authenticated. I dont consider that a good long term solution.

[ashen cliff]

Regardless, enforce-secure-profile should probably control that right now, right?

[fast scarab]

ensure-secure-profile only really means modded clients that actively don't share their key can still join right ?

[tropic flame]

well, then you get to use authme and you get to annoy krusic if you have any issues.

[fast scarab]

vanilla clients would still join with their key and send signed messages

[ashen cliff]

Or if the key is corrupt somehow.
I didn't know that the other clients still accept it in that case...

[fast scarab]

oh yea, rc1 had some exception for failed key parsing

[mild rune]

Yeah basically stops any accounts that aren't sending keys from joining

[fallen grotto]

People gonna get banned for saying "yes" like on roblox

[hot crystal]

Also just wondering, why doesn't paper disable snooper by default

Its kinda useless

[radiant mantle]

What’s snooper

[fallen grotto]

logs information

it snoops around

[fast scarab]

Telemetry ?

[tropic flame]

telemetry for minecraft

[fast scarab]

that is client side

[tropic flame]

there is snooping in server.properties though

wait

there isn't

[hot crystal]

No there is

[tropic flame]

https://server.properties is this updated?

[fast scarab]

snooper-enabled in server.properties does nothing

[hot crystal]

Huh

Weird

[fast scarab]

it isn't read anywhere

[tropic flame]

i guess

I guess it only exists client-side as of now then

... and with no way to disable it

https://old.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/pzatop/telemetry_snooper_useridentifiable_data/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Telemetry / Snooper - User-identifiable data collection since 21w38a... : Minecraft - 20 comments, 185 points - LapisDemon, 8mo ago

[unkempt jackal]

why is there a server hosting the server.properties file

[fallen grotto]

yes

[warm anchor]

Why not

[fast scarab]

to ask the important questions

[tropic flame]

"no way to disable telemetry"

gets marked as Intended

[fast scarab]

# MiniDigger will hangar release before Minecraft 2.0?

[tropic flame]

Mojang lawsuit due to GDPR violation when?

[fast scarab]

didn't they have to remove it for a while because of it

[fallen grotto]

why does this exist https://tryitands.ee

[hot crystal]

You could use the no telemetry mod but yeah you're forced to use a modded client for that

[fallen grotto]

because yes

[tropic flame]

they did, then they brought it back to track even more info and you can't even disable it anymore

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-237493 this is the link for the issue in mojira

"there's a telemetry option in Optifine now you can toggle off"
so using Optifine in 2022 still has one advantage over sodium?

[unkempt jackal]

is there not a no telemetry fabric mod?

[tropic flame]

I mean, there is

I was just joking with that one

[fallen grotto]

i just hope Minecraft doesn't get a full denuvo like thing in the future

that disables offline play

[hot crystal]

Being able to use Optifine-based resource packs is a benefit i guess

[tropic flame]

well, that's true

[unkempt jackal]

I hope they don't start moderating single player worlds, that would be dystopian

[fallen grotto]

there's a CIT mod for fabric

[unkempt jackal]

there are fabric alternatives that imitate optifine features

[tropic flame]

especially because I think the connected textures format from CTM is not the same as Optifine's

[fallen grotto]

invasive Microsoft practices :p

[warm anchor]

How many of you typing this from windows

[unkempt jackal]

https://modrinth.com/mod/continuity
I've found this to work for connected textures just fine

[tropic flame]

remember the creepypastas about Notch joining singleplayer worlds to scare players?

[unkempt jackal]

Notch opens port 25565 remotely, obviously

[ashen cliff]

They "forgot" about it in old versions and the sub domain died. They still had a lot of data.

[fallen grotto]

im on mobile 👍

and not a Microsoft phone thing

[tropic flame]

why would I install stinky Linux on my Legion 5?

[fallen grotto]

,^ that

it breaks a lot of things

[tropic flame]

im still to install linux on my dinosaur from 2005

[hot crystal]

Linux has it's benefits

But it's not for me

[unkempt jackal]

why would i install linux on my desktop when I have a 6 year old rooted smartphone for that?

[tropic flame]

i'll be giving it the Debian treatment

my modern computer gets Windows because Lenovo Vantage does not support windows

which means no neat things like enabling/disabling battery conservation mode

or uh, enable/disable the integrated graphics while in the OS

[unkempt jackal]

to be fair, I've put linux mint on a legion 5 before and it worked pretty well. But yeah, no lenovo vantage

[tropic flame]

also the fancy Legion power plans

with the FN+Q key to switch among them

[fallen grotto]

i think some other lenovo things don't work in linux

from legion 5 (pro)

i looked into it but it looked like too much effort to install fixes

[tropic flame]

I've basically just modded Windows 11 to have Windows 10's taskbar and start menu and that's it

[fallen grotto]

for some reason my laptop goes into sleep mode on performance mode but never on auto mode

[unkempt jackal]

I've just been putting up with windows 11 and deep inside praying that some day, things will be different.

[tropic flame]

oh I also restored the old System page from the control panel

so it doesn't just take you to the Settings app

[fallen grotto]

why bother using win11 then

[tropic flame]

because it's the latest OS, it came with the laptop, and Windows 10 will lose support in 2025

it doesn't mean I must like how the system works and feels

[fallen grotto]

ah it came w it

[tropic flame]

just that i'm forced to use it due to aggressive capitalistic practices like arbitrarily dropping things out of support

[tropic flame]

it came with Windows 11 Home, which I then proceeded to switch to Pro

I have a clone of the disk pre-first boot in case I ever want to "restore to factory settings" though

[fallen grotto]

i saw a video of someone telling to do that but i never have

[tropic flame]

same thing, I just didn't use the tool they recommended because it's proprietary

I used Clonezilla

it's open-source and you can boot from it

[fallen grotto]

i'll just reset my entire system when it is necessary

[tropic flame]

it's based on Debian but specialized on cloning disks and partitions

[tropic flame]

yeaah but since pre-installed Windows always comes with fancy stuff from the manufacturer which i wouldn't want to go through the hassle of finding online to reinstall, i just cloned the disk

[unkempt jackal]

that's clever

[fallen grotto]

oh right it has like a preset color setting

[hidden garnet]

lol wt?

[fallen grotto]

do your fans happen to produce a rattling/coil whining sound?

[tropic flame]

well, legion laptops also seem to come with a C:\Drivers folder with basically everything you need if you do a reinstallation

I also backed those up

but i also cloned the disk just in case

[tropic flame]

not really

[unkempt jackal]

man, you're so careful about all this

[tropic flame]

I bought it just a month ago :p

[fallen grotto]

ah

mine started after like 2 months

i'm convinced it's coil whining from the motors spinning the fans because it isn't when i rotate it myself

like a very light rrrrr sound

[unkempt jackal]

granted, Loid from SpyxFamily would take care in good practices with his computer

[tropic flame]

based spy family watcher

[tropic flame]

idk, i haven't noticed anything yet

i haven't run many intensive games though i'd say, probably the most intensive was Minecraft with shaders lmao

[fallen grotto]

ah

i ran intensive games for a few months every day

i had a pretty old pc before it

[tropic flame]

same thing :p

didn't have a real gpu either

it was embedded on the motherboard

actually yesterday I just played the demo of Metal: Hellsinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORydeKmIC9g

i think the game's going to be amazing

it's kinda like doom except you need to sync your shots to the beat if you want to deal the greatest damage and score more points (because at the end of your run you got leaderboards too)

and it was pretty satisfying

the soundtrack's got System of a Down, and Tatiana Shmayluk from Jinjer (and some other people)

[molten egret]

just use windows 10

[tropic flame]

read the rest, i explain why i don't

[worthy geode]

fitmc

[unkempt drift]

does he have a video

where he doesnt say "2b2t is the oldest anarchy server"?

[fast scarab]

again, most of his critique in regards to the categories were fixed in 1.19.1-rc1

[warm anchor]

This video is really biased because his entire business model is relies on milking 2b for videos for profit

[mild rune]

[warm anchor]

[mossy vessel]

"""private servers""" 🤡

[warm anchor]

Wtf I am stealing this

[mild rune]

let me get you the animated one

there's also

[warm anchor]

We need someone to make a chatting discord

For chatting emoji

[worthy geode]

nah

[warm anchor]

Nah

[worthy geode]

just don't tell anyone to take drugs irl

(or don't get reported for it)

They removed the two problematic categories, its only the really bad stuff now

[warm anchor]

Do you like actually spend a second to read the official post on the guideline made today

[silver nexus]

I think green hair could be cool lol

[warm anchor]

True. Why is weirdo green hair (?)

[worthy geode]

because not blue hair smh

blue > green

[silver nexus]

Neon green would take a lot to pull off but, a dark green could be pulled off very well

I like purple

[mild rune]

Make it teal

best of both worlds

[warm anchor]

Also a purple enjoyer here

[mild rune]

[worthy geode]

just make it rainbow so you get everything

[mild rune]

galactic brain

[warm anchor]

[mild rune]

weebs

[worthy geode]

[mild rune]

you know the report has context right?

[warm anchor]

[silver nexus]

First mistake was going to a factions server, but either way, there will be context...

[worthy geode]

"Someone is threatening to harm you or someone else in real life."

[warm anchor]

Context is needed for action to be taken

[worthy geode]

You can tell them that your gonna kill them ingame as much as you want

[warm anchor]

This is explained on the official news today

[worthy geode]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[warm anchor]

I suggest you to actually read it and understand it before making your loud opinions. It’s not helping with your agenda in any sense

[worthy geode]

They also removed the “Profanity”, “Nudity or pornography” and “Extreme violence or gore” categories

[lament patio]

The categories are actually pretty lenient rn

[warm anchor]

Yeah they’ve modified it

[worthy geode]

Im still not a fan of the concept, but the current guidelines are fine

[lament patio]

Uh

[mild rune]

Can you actually read?

[silver nexus]

Not really...

[warm anchor]

Am I gonna blow your mind if I tell you almost every service has similar guideline?

[worthy geode]

Keep in mind that they won't be enforced the same way. You won't get instant banned for one case of whatever "bullying" is

[lament patio]

What do you think, in specific, should be allowed but would possibly fall into the vagueness of a category?

[worthy geode]

And I don't see them enforcing "Drugs or alcohol" anyways, considering how much the law differs in individual countries or just regions there

[tropic flame]

the server can choose not to enforce clients that send keys but i think clients can also choose not to see unsigned messages? from what i understood about it

[worthy geode]

The server can just send everything as system messages, the client always shows those

I would be worried if my friends reported me lol

[tropic flame]

that would be a workaround and not an official option, but yes

[void void]

The category means encouraging self harm

Not discussing it

If you have a problem with these guidelines then you are a part of the problem.

[silver nexus]

I disagree

Someone is threatening to harm themselves in real life or talking about harming themselves in real life.

[worthy geode]

Yep, I doubt people talk about to people who would report them

[void void]

Not everything that is reported = a ban

Some reports are used to make sure that those who are serious about harming themselves can get the help they need.

[worthy geode]

Although I don't see Mojang doing that tbf

But its a standard report reason pretty much everywhere so whatever

[lament patio]

I don't see a reason to think so, all the guidelines are reasonable the way they're described rn

[void void]

From a content moderation background, reports for self harm are pretty standard.

And it's used to make sure that person is okay

[warm anchor]

It is also used in case urgent care needed to be able to contact authority

It does save lives

[void void]

If you really think someone would be banned for saying they want to kill themselves, you are reaching at nothing.

[vagrant marlin]

is there a convo about this every other hour?

[tropic flame]

i gotta say i do find it weird that the action for if someone admits to self-harm is a ban in most social media platforms

[worthy geode]

Well, it is controversial

[worthy geode]

Its not

Its just a report. What Mojang does with it is their thing.
At least the moderation standards im familiar with definitely don't have a ban for that, that would be counterproductive

[void void]

You clearly didn't read anything since it says there is a dedicated team.

[tropic flame]

the person is in a vulnerable position and probably turned to <insert social media website here> for some venting and they are faced with a ban. i would not take that lightly if i were suffering with depression

[vagrant marlin]

im sure microsoft has the resources for a proper moderation team

[void void]

I'm happy they removed profanity and some other categories, that is nice :)

[mild rune]

[silver nexus]

I think you'd be surprised lmao

[worthy geode]

I was really opposed to this, but without profanity and the other categories they removed its alright

[tropic flame]

but my problem with the report system is not this category really, it's just that as i said, it should be a job for the third party staff who made the third party server

i just wanted to say that i don't think keppar is saying stupid things

[vagrant marlin]

[lament patio]

I don't even think there'll be that many reports

[void void]

No it shouldn't be, because most servers breed the toxicity and hatred.

[warm anchor]

They are making improvements based on feedbacks. I don’t get how people can still be mad. They’ve done a lot compare to certain other companies that use machine learning for moderations and offers no human interactions for bans

[worthy geode]

nah, thats not fair

[vagrant marlin]

when people dont like a feature, they wont use it

🤯

[tropic flame]

third party servers are not representatives of Mojang

Realms is

[vagrant marlin]

truly a masterhacker

[fickle rain]

I think that's what enforce-secure-profile does

[void void]

Minecraft as a whole is a representative of Mojang.

[tropic flame]

Mojang even makes you acknowledge that they're not responsible for the third party content you find in Multiplayer

[vagrant marlin]

now they will be partly

[worthy geode]

There are a lot of good servers with fair moderation and very active and nice moderators.
And the report system will just take care of the really bad people (not that they won't buy an account again, but well, you can at least try)

[warm anchor]

A parent is not going to know the difference between Minecraft 3rd party or Minecraft realm. It’s just Minecraft to them. That’s why chat moderation is needed

[silver nexus]

Plus, someone who joins a 3rd party server and gets harassed, bullied, etc. Will not want to play the game and will associate the toxicity with the entirety of minecraft

[void void]

There is many good servers, but there is also tons of bad servers that breed this kind of behavior.

I'm sure you could find a server dedicated to Nazism, or a server dedicated to Slavery... and that is the problem, a ban on a single server won't solve and remove that toxicity from the platform.

[tropic flame]

this just ends up into "parents not knowing how to parent"

chat moderation does already exist

go into bukkitdev or spigotmc and see dozens of moderation related plugins there

[warm anchor]

I don’t think there’s a need for place for nazi that’s not showing freedom. That’s quiet the opposite

[void void]

And yet Java is still a toxic environment.

[tropic flame]

each server's moderators moderate their servers

[void void]

So those plugins have achieved nothing but making the few servers that use them less toxic.

[worthy geode]

well, if you dislike, you can just bypass it. And I really don't see mojang enforcing it outside of the EULA, with system messages being a thing

[tropic flame]

where? I must live in such an enclosed bubble then because I've never got into problems in the public servers i frequent

[worthy geode]

so this discussion is somewhat pointless

[lament patio]

It's not just for you

[silver nexus]

I don't think it will ever be useless

[void void]

I love how you are so confident you can bypass it, it's almost adorable ahah

[warm anchor]

It’s for the safety of kids that’s playing the game.

Your server is just one

Minecraft is many

[worthy geode]

eh, it is?

[fickle rain]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

[true canyon]

So let's help make them waste money every time!

[worthy geode]

Well, its a kids game

[fast scarab]

I mean, and if it is just one abusive grooming weirdo that gets banned, the system would be nice

that is your excuse xD

[vagrant marlin]

just because a platform sucks doesnt mean that other platforms should suck

[tropic flame]

uh, yeah, but discord servers are hosted by discord, that's the difference

[void void]

And discord has user reports for that

[vagrant marlin]

also, discord is 13+

[tropic flame]

and they provide you a report button, bloof

[vagrant marlin]

minecraft isnt 13+

[tropic flame]

Multiplayer on minecraft is for the most part third party servers

"for the most part" because Realms is a thing

[vagrant marlin]

you still rely on mojang's services

[lament patio]

Any improvement is welcome, though

[tropic flame]

which have nothing to do with the chat of a server?

my messages don't go through Mojang's authentication servers

[fast scarab]

yet ™️

tho the chat filter stuff is only for realms iirc

[worthy geode]

yep, they explicitly said that again

[lilac moon]

I just don't like how theyre deactivating the ENTIRE account instead of just blocking you from most servers, but allowing some to not block you if they want

[tropic flame]

yeah they basically ban you from even hosting your own

[mild rune]

I mean they do ban you from their servers

Their auth servers

[void void]

[worthy geode]

thing is, as long as the server and protocol are practically open source, and chat is handled on the server (and not p2p between clients), they can't 100% enforce this anyways

[potent wedge]

Yes but you also can't click the multiplayer button

[tropic flame]

I mean, that kind of does already happen with pirate launchers that provide skins

[fickle rain]

Wat aren't skins free lol

[worthy geode]

im sure there is a fabric mod to fix this

[tropic flame]

I said pirate launchers

[fickle rain]

Ohh I see nvm

[void void]

Ah yes let's get banned for being a terrible person and then be more terrible by using piracy 👍

[fickle rain]

Thought u meant bedrock cuz they have that store thing

[fast scarab]

👀

[worthy geode]

tbf there is no regionalized pricing for java edition, so to a certain degree I can understand it

[fast scarab]

have you read the categories

[void void]

I feel this convo would be a lot more progressive without you in it Bloof 🤔

You seem filled with hate

[worthy geode]

avg anarchy player

[warm anchor]

Ok let’s not resort to those type of personal attack.

[fast scarab]

always knew that doxing or harrasment are virgin opinions

[pale robin]

Anyone can fill me in on this chat report thing people are so upset about?

[tropic flame]

being terrible is, well, terrible, but you'll already be banned by Hypixel, Mineplex, Cubecraft, and whatever other public third party servers you enter by being terrible

[warm anchor]

You can have proper discussion without going there. This ain’t Reddit

[mighty storm]

not worth it man, just leave until the topic changes 😂

[worthy geode]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[lilac moon]

Mc protocol looks complicated to implement

[silver nexus]

I wouldn’t say we’re “totally fine”

[pale robin]

this on realms only or also hosted servers?

[void void]

Are the sexually assaulted kids just fine? How about those who kill themselves over cyber bullying?

[fast scarab]

both

[mighty storm]

"Mojang bad"

Edit: Thanks for the gold!

[worthy geode]

the report menu is available everywhere

[pale robin]

hmm that doesnt seem legal

[fast scarab]

wat

[lilac moon]

:wholesome:

[fast scarab]

in what world is that not legal 😂

[lilac moon]

joya

[fast scarab]

ssshh

[unkempt drift]

well its not gonna really have an effect on any craftbukkit (or craftbukkit derivative) server for a bit anyways

[lilac moon]

secure shell

[pale robin]

How can this be legal under the data protection act EU has in place?

[lilac moon]

that's... Unrelated??

[worthy geode]

Hard so say without having read the data processing agreement

[tropic flame]

I'd assume Mojang never gets to see any chat logs until a report is processed

theoretically

[pale robin]

still violates the law

[lilac moon]

Ohhhh

I understand what you mean now

lmao

[worthy geode]

not really. Only if they introduce this system without having it covered in their privacy policy.
Processing data like that for enforcing laws is definitely fine.

[pale robin]

they cant access a third party server without consent

[fast scarab]

also, have you read the agreement you signed when you moved to your microsoft account ?

might be a good start

[potent wedge]

Who does

[worthy geode]

you 100% have given consent to that ^

[mighty storm]

thats not on them lol

[fast scarab]

Well then don't scream ILLEGAL

[pale robin]

oh this has microsoft written all over it :p

[mighty storm]

microsoft is well known for being a mid company

[worthy geode]

its very likely that the old mojang agreement covered that as well, its very standard

[pale robin]

lynx doesnt give them the rights to data on a third party

[fast scarab]

the data is not on a third party

it is on the client that is reporting

running their game

[tropic flame]

those two are really bad, my only problem with your take though is that you want to reduce "third party servers with moderation" to an insignificant minority and therefore that justifies Mojang stepping in

[fast scarab]

they aren't accessing a server

[pale robin]

it happend on the server

[worthy geode]

3rd party servers having access to data is more problematic here

because im sure your players haven't signed an agreement with you

[void void]

Because 3rd party servers are not helping to solve the problem, they just move it to somewhere else.

[lilac moon]

Gdpr compliant Minecraft server

[pale robin]

hm what are the odds someone creating a plugin to block report chat on third party servers?

[mighty storm]

(impossible challenge)

[fast scarab]

that mod already exists xD

[void void]

"I don't see it so it must not be there" is ignorant.

All a ban from a 3rd party server does is move the player to another server to keep up their activity.

[mild rune]

deletes world after player disconnects
I've stored nothing of you

[lilac moon]

You can just disable signed messages can't you

[worthy geode]

Ive had a player request data deletion based on GDPR, that was kinda complicated

[tropic flame]

and they'll be banned in the next server they enter and screw up

[pale robin]

so we can disable it then ?

[unkempt drift]

yeah, and like I said, no chat messages are signed right now on craftbukkit and derviatives of

[void void]

Then they go to the next one.

[lilac moon]

Did you just have to delete playerdata

[fast scarab]

the server property doesn't disable signing

[mighty storm]

i just ban european players, ez solution

[lilac moon]

or what was the whole process

[fast scarab]

wow 💔

[mild rune]

so based

[fast scarab]

more like c-h-e-w(eu hater)

[mighty storm]

my 0 player count went down to 0, literally no impact 😎

[worthy geode]

logs as well

[tropic flame]

rinse and repeat, and it doesn't seem like it justifies more centralized moderation to me

it's the point of third party servers

they're... well, third party

ideologically speaking

[worthy geode]

Time to open a 4th party server!

[mighty storm]

1st party this, 3rd party that, idk guys this seems like a boring ass party