hehe funny kids play minecraft
#general
novel horizon
placid thicket
if you are crossing the CDN/USA border half the time they dont even care
coarse lily
Pretty sure this was sarcasm.
eager orbit
That’s because it requires lots of patience
molten egret
Well one of my friends did have depression for a bit
shy eagle
It requires lot of grinding, nothing more exciting then watching a laser shoot an asteroid. Like mining for cobberstone but without having to click as much
placid thicket
Pretty sure this was sarcasm.
it was sarcasm. although i know people who are dead serious that any form of gaming is a dissability cause you should be working (man) or in the kitchen (woman) and those are the only two choices.... my family aren't good people...
shy eagle
Ya toxic masculinity goes together with the whole real men don’t video games and all that
mental meadow
can we stop talking about other peoples disabilities, especially without their consent? This topic is getting kinda uncomfortable tbh. A lot of oh yeah I also know someone who is disabled
novel horizon
👀
placid thicket
so in other news, anyone got something interesting going on?
novel horizon
yes
shy eagle
Google made a bot that is trying to take over the world :p
novel horizon
did you know that gas in libya costs like 0.15 usd per liter?
placid thicket
i said NEWS lol
novel horizon
it can be news to people
shy eagle
I keep hearing that 1.19 is a big disappointment, not sure why everyone is saying that hmm
novel horizon
🙂
worthy geode
did you know that gas in libya costs like 0.15 usd per liter?
theres also large chance to get shot, enslaved or otherwise mistreated in libya tho
placid thicket
I keep hearing that 1.19 is a big disappointment, not sure why everyone is sayin...
because people don't know what concept art is
novel horizon
theres also large chance to get shot, enslaved or otherwise mistreated in libya ...
it was just random fun fact 🤷♂️
molten egret
did you know that gas in libya costs like 0.15 usd per liter?
Arl The 51st state has been chosen
shy eagle
I want to get some of that reinforced deep slate. Also I haven’t messed around with the new shulk. sensors but I feel like that will really change up some red stone stuff. I am going to try to make an automated glass door after I get off work
molten egret
I just place chests
placid thicket
I want to get some of that reinforced deep slate. Also I haven’t messed around w...
reinforced deepslate is unminable and unmovable sadly
molten egret
O
eager orbit
did you know that gas in libya costs like 0.15 usd per liter?
Yeah, but then take into account the median wage
novel horizon
ofc
shy eagle
I mean you could already use pressure plates but cooler if it was hidden
Ah can you get it in creative mode at least? I assume so
placid thicket
Ah can you get it in creative mode at least? I assume so
yes
true canyon
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twin lagoon
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coarse lily
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molten egret
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shy eagle
Are there ways to help out paper if your not Java dev? I mean I took Java in college but I am a data analyst for a living so my experience lies in database and bi platforms.
novel horizon
molten egret
What
coarse lily
Find a simple issue
They said they didn’t know Java.
shy eagle
Ah ya I need to learn git, that is another thing to do.
wide chasm
Finding and reporting issues, even if you can't fix them yourself, is also appreciated.
coarse lily
Are there ways to help out paper if your not Java dev? I mean I took Java in col...
There’s nothing that immediately comes to mind, but there’s a bunch of non-dev stuff like reporting issues, etc.
ripe sphinx
coarse lily
_11 what
eager orbit
https://papermc.io/sponsors
LOL
ripe sphinx
if you mean the deleted message, had some russian in my clipboard to copy to Deepl, and failed at hitting ctrl+c on the link
formal tusk
Any alternative plugin similar to essentialx
molten egret
They said they didn’t know Java.
They said that they did not know a lot of java
eager orbit
Any alternative plugin similar to essentialx
Similar in what way? What features from essentialsx do you actually need? Because a lot of them aren’t really necessary
mossy vessel
EssentialsEX
shy eagle
I didn’t get the point of essentialsx, it seem to break commands
Well the mail system seemed neat
eager orbit
I didn’t get the point of essentialsx, it seem to break commands
You can disable that somewhere I think
ripe sphinx
if you mean because it overrides vanilla commands, there's many ways to work around that
shy eagle
Ya I should brush up on Java, even though in my field it’s all python and R, and I hate python. Who thought using tabs would be better than brackets xD
formal tusk
Similar in what way? What features from essentialsx do you actually need? Becaus...
That supports 1.19 too, I am thinking CMI but it's out of my budget to purchase
mental meadow
it's pretty useful because you don't have to think about how @e formatting stuff works
eager orbit
it's pretty useful because you don't have to think about how `@e` formatting stu...
When doing??
ripe sphinx
^ EssX has a lot of stuff, but it's all useful, and it's all lightweight. CMI is trying to do the job of like 10 plugins, and poorly at that
mental meadow
plus EssX is open source
novel horizon
At minimum
novel horizon
Like I use kill command a lot, but I use vanilla one more often tho
mental meadow
just don't join the MOSS discord, not sure if they finally removed their transphobic mod but I doubt it
novel horizon
O_o
formal tusk
I'll just wait for essx 1.19 then
shy eagle
Feels like more customized servers should stay on 1.18.2 for now, I know the zombie one I am working on will just break if I upgrade it to 1.19 lots of plugins are taking a awhile to update but can’t blame them as being free and open source.
eager orbit
I'll just wait for essx 1.19 then
Dev builds are already out iirc, and 1.18.2 works on 1.19 servers I’m pretty sure
shy eagle
Though the warden seems like a great boss to summon
eager orbit
Though the warden seems like a great boss to summon
It’s a bit op ngl
shy eagle
Ya, bet makes a good challenge for dungeons and stuff.
Netherite armor won’t save me this time xD
unkempt jackal
my friends and I explored an ancient city last night and it got pretty hectic once one warden spawned
since with 5 players down there trying to avoid one warden, the chances of someone slipping up and then accidentally spawning another increased
lilac dagger
Hi anyone knows what plugin cause this kick message: Your data is still loaded, please rejoin in a moment
jagged egret
do a binary search
uninstall half of your plugins temporarily, see if it persists. If it does, then the issue is in the remaining plugins. Otherwise it's in the half you removed
rinse and repeat with smaller portions
lilac dagger
thanks for the suggestion I'll do that
rare python
Is 7 gradle plugins excessive?
jade flax
Are they necessary plugins?
rare python
plugins {
id("xyz.jpenilla.run-paper") version "1.0.6" // Run Paper
id("org.jetbrains.kotlin.jvm") version "1.7.0" // Kotlin
id("org.jetbrains.kotlin.kapt") version "1.7.0" // Kapt
id("io.papermc.paperweight.userdev") version "1.3.7" // Paperweight
id("com.github.johnrengelman.shadow") version "7.1.2" // ShadowJar
id("org.jlleitschuh.gradle.ktlint") version "10.3.0" // KTLint
id("net.minecrell.plugin-yml.bukkit") version "0.5.2" // Plugin-YML
}
I mean 4 of them just exist for convenience
void void
love the absolutely useless comments
tropic flame
^ EssX has a lot of stuff, but it's all useful, and it's all lightweight. CMI is...
^ EssX is not really bad at all. the 30 plugins just for each functionality that you might be able to find may just be worse than EssX at the end of the day
rare python
At some point I am gonna remove EssX and implement what functionality I do need in my own plugin
waxen panther
who cares if you have a lot of plugins
rare python
Out of the 20 plugins I use, only 6 of them are ones that I actually like, and are not not destined to be reimplemented by me
waxen panther
im talking about your gradle
rare python
Ah
rare python
Out of the 20 plugins I use, only 6 of them are ones that I actually like, and a...
Well those 6 plugins are: Chunky, CoreProtect, LuckPerms, Plan, spark, and WorldGuard.
But dynmap is my first target 
lament patio
I like to keep every plugin as small in scope as possible
Result: 44 plugins for a small semi-vanilla server, 16 of which are mine
rare python
But dynmap is my first target <:kekw:674093681963302933>
LiveMap go brrr
magic river
Writing your own dynmap is a full time job
visual egret
it’s sad that pl3x let go of pl3xmap
shrewd portal
lol dynmap is actually trademarked
Word Mark DYNMAP
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Downloadable game software. FIRST USE: 20101226. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20110830
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
visual egret
why 😭
magic river
mikeprimm seems like the kind of guy to cross all the ts and dot all the is
Probably has the copyright actually registered too 😄
waxen panther
it’s sad that pl3x let go of pl3xmap
just use squaremap
rare python
my goal for livempa is to basically make dynmap but it updates live, and does not do 3d
limber knotBOT
not having 3d is kinda lame
magic river
If you aren't doing isometric rendering it gets a lot simpler and faster but is also just squaremap?
rare python
does squaremap update live?
Like as in, you break a block, and that change instantly shows up on the map.
magic river
Dunno how instant it is but it says it renders fast
lavish compass
Well those 6 plugins are: Chunky, CoreProtect, LuckPerms, Plan, spark, and World...
Plan 
placid thicket
question i should already know the answer to, if i want to disable a command that overrides a vanilla command, how do i do that?
lavish compass
from what plugin
placid thicket
spesifically CMI
magic river
Disable or just make the vanilla one take over?
magic river
commands.yml should be able to override the alias
placid thicket
well as said earlier, CMI adds a bunch of bullshit that screws with command blocks
i don't need a second kill/give/effect/etc. command so where vanilla exists, i want to use vanilla
lavish compass
Then don't use CMI
shy eagle
Is the whole, barrels cause less lag than chests still true on paper?
magic river
Isn't there a specific config option to make command blocks use vanilla commands?
That should probably be extended to datapacks, btw
placid thicket
Isn't there a specific config option to make command blocks use vanilla commands...
wait is that a paper config?
also yes it should
any idea where that config would be hiding?
limber knotBOT
iirc that option existed but was broken at some point
unless paper re-added it, the spigot one was removed when the command system change happened
basically at the point where /execute stopped accepting plugin commands
placid thicket
i can change the command blocks to specify specifically to use minecraft commands, but that means having to find them all. and there is one i just cant seem to find
limber knotBOT
although command-block-overrides in the commands.yml might still work, not sure
placid thicket
got a good way to locate command blocks with world edit? i know how to count how many are in an area but not find one say burried in the side of a mountain
limber knotBOT
I think I have a worldedit extension command in my server plugin for exactly that (finding block coordinates) lol
spare venture
that one fork of pl3xmap and squaremap are kinda chalked atm
limber knotBOT
I've been looking into tectonicus as an overviewer replacement 👀
the nice thing: it's written in java and not python...
molten egret
question i should already know the answer to, if i want to disable a command tha...
give them the negative permission?
placid thicket
don't think that will work for a command block would it?
molten egret
no
spare venture
rtx 3070 down to $500-600, almost in the promised land
spiral robin
@lavish compass 
molten egret
Isn't there a specific config option to make command blocks use vanilla commands...
there is the/minecraft:give /minecraft:kill and so on
void void
I believe MM had a pr for that
placid thicket
see, the problem is that you need to know where the command blocks are to do that
unkempt drift
no thats alreay a thing
see commands.yml
command-block-overrides @molten egret @magic river
molten egret
why me
unkempt drift
oh idk, you responded to amaranth
molten egret
@placid thicket is the guy
placid thicket
sorta? its a 1.19 spawn build, there is only 25 command blocks according to WE count, but it doesn't tell me where they are
yeah lol
unkempt drift
ok flanigomik, see the commands.yml file
molten egret
wait are we on build 14?
unkempt drift
add the command labels to the command-block-overrides list
so like add give and what not
and then command blocks should try to use minecraft:give before any plugin that also adds a give
shy eagle
There are some good sites that will generate complex give/summon commands so that makes it easier
placid thicket
its a little unclear, it says i can just put * to use all vanilla, but also says i should prefix with minecraft: so should i minecraft:*?
unkempt drift
I actually don't know the implementation of it, just that its supposed to help with command blocks and vanilla commands. lemme see
@placid thicket so here's how it works. anytime a command block is about to run a command, it takes the first word in the command (everything before the first space) and checks if its in that list in commands.yml. If it is, it prepends minecraft: to the command string and then runs the command
adding * to the list just makes it add that minecraft: prefix to every command run from a command block
even non vanilla commands
so I think that could break any command blocks running plugin commands
placid thicket
so what happens if a command block already has a prefix in front of it?
unkempt drift
it still adds it (assuming you've put * in the list)
its not a smart check
if you've just put give in the list, it'll only prepend minecraft: if the first word is exactly give. so its not gonna prepend minecraft: to minecraft:give
unkempt drift
yeah, I would be specific about what commands you want it to adjust
and you can always add more
placid thicket
does it check at all for commands that have more than one command in them like execute?
or literally just first word of whatever is in the command block?
magic river
Hey, you know who has a lot of experience dealing with really complicated permissive parsers written in C++? Mozilla! That’s like the core functionality of a web browser.
Do you know Mozilla’s secret solution to writing really complicated permissive parsers in C++?
We stopped doing it.
We developed Rust and ported our nastiest parsers to it.
rare python
Lol what
magic river
I think JS is the only thing Firefox doesn't use a rust parser for
Not sure if they actually switched to rust image parsers, they were trying to though
radiant mantle
What y does ancient debris generate in 1.19
molten egret
probs above 0
coarse lily
What y does ancient debris generate in 1.19
This is the kinda thing I'd just Google to find out
There's probably a wiki page on it
coarse lily
It’s y 15
IIRC it's higher and lower than that, but that might be the best place to mine it for ore frequency.
radiant mantle
Ok
placid thicket
if you've just put `give` in the list, it'll only prepend `minecraft:` if the fi...
so this is my config
command-block-overrides:
- give
- effect
- execute
- kill
ignore-vanilla-permissions: false
and unless i did something wrong here, its not actually doing anything. i managed to find the one command block that was formatted differently and manually changed it. so it might be broken like someone else said
unkempt drift
ill test it out here in a bit
scenic sleet
how do i implement anti xray on new paper 1.19 snapshot
molten egret
how do i implement anti xray on new paper 1.19 snapshot
same as before ig
crystal lilyBOT
warm anchor
Same except the per world part
crystal lilyBOT
Where did paper.yml go?\n\nIn 1.19, paper.yml has been split into two files, both in the config directory. In paper-global.yml you will find configuration that changes behavior of the whole server, and in paper-world-defaults you will find configuration that can be overridden on a per world basis. See https://docs.papermc.io/paper/per-world-configuration for more information on overrides. The function of server.properties, bukkit.yml, and spigot.yml remains unchanged for this time.
scenic sleet
do i add paper world defaults yml the nether xray there
warm anchor
For default yes
Then you go into your world_nether folder
Find paper-world.yml and add nether part onto it
coarse lily
I see what sulu meant about the line breaks now
warm anchor
God knows what discord use for line break 
timber mauve
hey hey anyone know how to make bungecord server on linux vps ubuntu 20.04
visual egret
ever since I signed up for aliexpress I’ve been getting chinese spam emails in my spam inbox… what a coincidence 🤔
visual egret
hey hey anyone know how to make bungecord server on linux vps ubuntu 20.04
if you’re making a new network then start with velocity, it performs better and should be your preferred choice for new networks
timber mauve
if you’re making a new network then start with velocity, it performs better and ...
is it hard to make network
visual egret
it definitely takes some practice
velocity (id advise you to use this one): https://docs.papermc.io/velocity/getting-started
waterfall (paper’s bungee fork) setup: https://docs.papermc.io/waterfall/getting-started
slender surge
Hahahaha
Just realised my server was being anycasted to Canada from Europe
Reduced my ping from ~200 to ~20
visual egret
rip
molten egret
Hahahaha
Just realised my server was being anycasted to Canada from Europe
what's that
slender surge
traffic was being routed by proxy to Canada based on their server load
hence resulting in my ping being massive
molten egret
traffic was being routed by proxy to Canada based on their server load
why are there many nodes for an app that can only be routed to a single server
also how do you change that configuration
slender surge
this is my mc server
routing via tcpshield
i assume traffic is low in canada due to time zones so it routes thru there
placid thicket
its 3:30-7:30 in canada right now, so IDK about that
visual egret
idk anyone who plays Minecraft before 8 in the morning
placid thicket
should clarify, that is PM not AM
worthy geode
idk anyone who plays Minecraft before 8 in the morning
def happens. some people get up at like 6am, even during holidays
magic river
Huh, a research team accidentally made a lithium-sulfur battery that can handle twice the cycles and has three times the density and sounds like it might not be hard to commercialize
placid thicket
is there any chance that paper could move the other server level configs into the new config folder as well? having them all in different places is gunna get confusing fast
twin lagoon
i assume traffic is low in canada due to time zones so it routes thru there
that should not be the case
magic river
They were trying to embed sulfur in a carbon nanotube mesh via vapor deposition but it ended up just lying on top. They tested it anyway and it worked. After repeating the process a few times and digging in to why it was working they apparently accidentally figured out how to produce a stable version of a really rare sulfur crystal
magic river
is there any chance that paper could move the other server level configs into th...
After hardfork
placid thicket
lol so when HL3 releases?
magic river
After more than a year of testing, the sulfur cathode remains stable and, as the team reported, its performance has not degraded in 4,000 charge-discharge cycles, which is equivalent to 10 years of regular use. And, as predicted, the battery's capacity is more than three-fold that of a Li-ion battery.
Apparently their goal was to change as little as possible from a standard Li-ion battery (other than the cathode, of course) so assuming they can figure out how to scale up the vapor deposition process (which I don't think should be that challenging, it's used everywhere) the only real wait for this to commercialize should be sorting out supply chains and QA of the new production lines and such
twin lagoon
@restive thicket BEST camotoy
restive thicket
HELLO
quartz dew
https://drexel.edu/news/archive/2022/february/lithium-sulfur-cathode-carbonate-e...
I’ll be impressed when this leaves the lab and is demonstrated that it can be mass-produced and doesn’t have any glaring flaws (temperature sensitivity, fire hazard, highly toxic off-gassing, etc).
There have been thousands of battery technologies that sound great at first, but then never leave the lab. I have a hard time getting excited over hearing about new battery chemistries these days.
young robin
This the channel for MC talk? I have a villager question but the actual MC discord is cancer
unkempt jackal
should be fine
wraith trail
It's likely no one will know the answer though
If it's about villager behaviour/gameplay
young robin
Alright so I have some fletchers that were cured to the point of being 1 stick per emerald. After trading with them a while they went up to 2 sticks.
- Is there a way to prevent both from raising at the same time? Is this a line of sight thing or how does the reputation spread?
- They don't seem to be going down after multiple in-game days, any reason this would be the case?
young robin
If it's about villager behaviour/gameplay
Ah ok... well thought I'd try, not sure where else to ask
unkempt jackal
trading with them some more should eventually bring it back down
also make sure they have access to their job site
young robin
They do, they can restock, and I have been trading, but it's staying at 2
unkempt jackal
and trading with them shouldn't affect gossip so don't know what to say about that
young robin
I thought if one of them inflates their prices they spread rumors and others do the same
The chatter/rumor mechanic is pretty mysterious tbh
magic river
I’ll be impressed when this leaves the lab and is demonstrated that it can be ma...
Yeah I guess we'll see but this sounds like they're mostly just swapping a piece out on standard battery production lines rather than building a whole new thing
young robin
Oh good.. it got worse..
But not for both of them... and I did trade with this one more
Interesting
placid thicket
isnt that just standard supply and demand?
radiant mantle
So I have an smp (paper with plugins) with 15-20 people we are moving to a actual host and I’m wondering if I get too much ram more than needed the server will still run right
magic river
Paper doesn't even let you cure them down to 1, does it?
slender surge
https://www.hertzbleed.com/
spicy
mental stag
So I have an smp (paper with plugins) with 15-20 people we are moving to a actua...
Yeah I'm me
young robin
Yes but I am this world's 1%, I won't stand for supply and demand. Give me market manipulation baby
magic river
So you're asking about mechanics people can't even play with on a paper server 😄
placid thicket
I’ll be impressed when this leaves the lab and is demonstrated that it can be ma...
where are those diamond coated depleted uranium AA batteries they were talking about a few years ago
placid thicket
Paper doesn't even let you cure them down to 1, does it?
theres an unsupported config option for that
young robin
Paper doesn't even let you cure them down to 1, does it?
Seriously? Damn I need to look into paper configs. No, this is vanilla in this case, waiting for paper to be stable(er)
timber mauve
So I have an smp (paper with plugins) with 15-20 people we are moving to a actua...
it will be fine even better when your server start to get bigger
placid thicket
its with the other exploit patch toggles
magic river
It's not, actually, which is why I always forget it exists
placid thicket
oh... well why the hell not? lol
lament patio
So I have an smp (paper with plugins) with 15-20 people we are moving to a actua...
Yes, the server will run well
coarse lily
So I have an smp (paper with plugins) with 15-20 people we are moving to a actua...
Having "too much" RAM is fine, you just give the Minecraft server less RAM but you have more available as you need it.
lament patio
The only thing is
placid thicket
there is a point where you can have too much ram for Java, but thats usually solved with args
lament patio
Often, when a hosting offers too much RAM for a low price, that's a bad sign
placid thicket
also that
suspiciously low cost is a very real and very large red flag in the minecraft hosting game
unkempt jackal
Paper doesn't even let you cure them down to 1, does it?
There's a toggle for this in paper.yml
Oop sorry for ping
radiant mantle
Having "too much" RAM is fine, you just give the Minecraft server less RAM but y...
Ok but it won’t cause significant chnage if I go too extra?
Do you recommend 4gb for 10 player smp (15ish soon) with plugins like chestshop, gringotts, tab, discord webhook, essentialsx, essentials chat
placid thicket
4gb is on the low end, and you will def want to pre-render your map with that
placid thicket
you will also want to add some variation of autorestart to that
5-6 should do it if you pre-load your map
radiant mantle
you will also want to add some variation of autorestart to that
So like restart every day?
radiant mantle
5-6 should do it if you pre-load your map
What that mean
Like how would it benefit us
placid thicket
depends on the server, but usually once at midnight is good
unkempt jackal
Use a plugin like Chunky to pre generate chunks
placid thicket
^
radiant mantle
Ok but why should I need to do that?
placid thicket
chunk creation is the slowest thing minecraft does
radiant mantle
Ah so I can pre generate and it will be faster
placid thicket
yes
placid thicket
that will probably work fine for you yes
coarse lily
Ok but it won’t cause significant chnage if I go too extra?
Do you recommend 4gb...
There's no harm in having "extra" you aren't using.
radiant mantle
Ok
coarse lily
Other than maybe paying for RAM you don't need.
radiant mantle
So should I got 5 or 6?
Ok
How can I check if I don’t need the extra ram?
Cause I can run the server locally fine with 2 Gb and the same with 5gb
placid thicket
keep an eye on your TPS, if its always at 20 everything is running fine
radiant mantle
Oh ok
unkempt jackal
6 would give you more overhead, especially once players get elytra and start rocketing around thousands of block (I am angry)
radiant mantle
My tos does lag on 2gb
placid thicket
its not an exact science
placid thicket
you can use /timings report to find out why its lagging
radiant mantle
Oh ok
placid thicket
on paper anyways there isn't a good way on vanilla
ripe sphinx
as long as the TPS stays above ~ 19 it's fine, anything around 15 or lower is noticable though
placid thicket
^
ripe sphinx
so don't worry if it's not perfectly at 20 for every single tick
magic river
TPS is a bad measurement unless/until it's regularly below 20
ripe sphinx
yeah
ripe sphinx
until you get to the point where TPS is being effected, you can use /mspt. Lower is better, as long as it stays below 50 TPS will be 20
magic river
mspt is just always better to look at 😄
ripe sphinx
that too
unkempt jackal
What is mspt
ripe sphinx
milliseconds per tick
magic river
Not only does the command give you the TPS anyway, it also gives you the much better MSPT
ripe sphinx
it should be 50 (server will sleep if mspt is less than 50), anything over will cause tps to drop
magic river
If my mspt is 40 and your mspt is 5 we'll both have servers with 20 TPS but mine is about to have a bad time
ripe sphinx
Not only does the command give you the TPS anyway, it also gives you the much be...
/spark tps ❤️
worthy geode
/spark healthreport ❤️
ripe sphinx
spark in general ❤️
unkempt jackal
What is spark
radiant mantle
Do you guys recommend apex hosting or any other better hosts for 6gb where I can get cheapest price.
Apex 6gb is 30 a month
worthy geode
Do you guys recommend apex hosting or any other better hosts for 6gb where I can...
bloom host, dedicatedmc.
30 is way too much for that lol
ripe sphinx
what the everliving fuck
vagrant marlin
apex performs like crap too
ripe sphinx
$5/gb for apex's crap processers?!
golden gust
damn, I remember when $5/GB was like, the hype
Like, that was bad in like, 2014ish, with Xeons
E5's go brr
spiral robin
damn, I remember when $5/GB was like, the hype
when?
golden gust
*back
vagrant marlin
ram is a bit cheaper nowadays 😔
spiral robin
when did we ask
worthy geode
you get 8 GB with a very likely much better CPU from bloom for $16 iirc
spiral robin
ripe sphinx
quick check, looks like DMC's top plan (5950x) is $36 for 10GB (aka $4/gb)
golden gust
!ban @spiral robin you know, if I was really immature and took such commentry to heart, it could really suck, you know
unkempt jackal
Oh my gosh bloom looks amazing. I'm definitely switching over from pebble host next time my friends decide to have a minecraft fetish again
ripe sphinx
yeah bloom and dedicatedmc are currently the "gold standard" hosts for med-high performance MC
vagrant marlin
pebble was ok in 2019
ripe sphinx
I mean for low-end, they're still pretty decent afaik
and also I'm eyeing some of their little dedis
ripe sphinx
yeah that's one of their main killers in my book
twin lagoon
bloomhost is your best choice if you can get something in stock
ripe sphinx
at least it's highly customized and actually good
twin lagoon
they've got owned hardware + cloudflare magic transit
does not get better than that for minecraft shared hosting
lament patio
I mean for low-end, they're still pretty decent afaik
Can actually confirm, if you want "cheapest possible option that works reasonably well", they're alright
ripe sphinx
oh yeah right forgot about them having magic transit
vagrant marlin
does not get better than that for minecraft shared hosting
what about mc pro hosting? bloom.host doesnt have pro in name
ripe sphinx
waits for ban
unkempt jackal
Yeah pebble host hasn't given me any problems with a 6 GB server for a small smp
And as I've been using it off and on for the past 2 years, the feature set has only grown
placid thicket
have been using heavynode for a few years, never given me trouble and their support team actually responds and doesn't blame you for things *cough* Titannode *cough*
lament patio
I'd definitely not go anything over budget for pebble though, it's not worth it for the price
radiant mantle
What’s the diff between bloom host shared and dedicated
Where are the dedicated prices
ripe sphinx
Dedicated means you're assigned 2-8 logical cores of a CPU, and those are your cores. On shared, there might be someone else using it too. That means if you have a "noisy neighbour" (someone else on the same node using a lot of resources) you might feel some effects
radiant mantle
Dedicated means you're assigned 2-8 logical cores of a CPU, and those are your c...
Oh so two people use one
So I can use the 8gb ram on a dedicated for a mc server and the remaining dedicate I can use it for something else?
cloud tulip
is there a plugin/datapack/mod/anything that enables movable tile entities like on bedrock?
everything I have been able to find is for some ancient version of the game or fabric
worthy geode
whats wrong with fabric?
cloud tulip
ok, how do I run fabric mods on a Paper server?
worthy geode
you don't. but you mentioned mods, so I thought a mod would be fine. mods in general won't work with paper
cloud tulip
sorry, I thought mod/plugin was pretty much interchangeable terms
worthy geode
that confusingly is not the case for minecraft, mod is mostly used for fabric/forge, and plugin for spigot/paper.
Im not aware of any plugin existing that does this, and it probably is not possible in a plugin and would need modification of paper itself
cloud tulip
oh
spice ether
uhm this doesnt feel like a smart idea lol https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/shulker-in-a-shulker.102620/
worthy geode
not entirely sure what the reasons are that they aren't movable on java tbh. saving their data, moving them and reapplying seems possible
magic river
I've been looking at sherman memes for the last hour and now I can't stop listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNLpLq2Kluc
worthy geode
uhm this doesnt feel like a smart idea lol https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/sh...
nice debug spam on every click event as well 😄
magic river
wow
cloud tulip
My main reason for pursuing it is that it would enable many cool flying machines without having to rely on duping.
worthy geode
at least its open source and they are using the logger correctly instead of sysout
void void
Is there a channel in this Discord where you can post Velocity Plugin bounties?
jade flax
No
molten egret
at least its open source and they are using the logger correctly instead of syso...
Sysout is faster
Switch to sysout
placid thicket
so is Quilt just same shit different name? or do i have to find plugins specifically targeting on or the other?
unkempt jackal
Most fabric mods work with Quilt, and a small amount of mods might only work with quilt
You should also pick up quilt standard libraries to replace the fabric api
placid thicket
i am somewhat aware of the surrounding drama, but is there a technical reason to switch? or just a moral one?
spare venture
that plugin is .... wow
magic river
I wasn't aware of much (if any) technical reason to use quilt over fabric or vice versa right now
unkempt jackal
I haven't heard about the drama, I just like the color purple
And then I struggled to find the website between links to embroidered quilts with minecraft designs on them
simple garden
hey does anyone know if there is a spigot/bukket plugin that allows me to have like a world radio when i can put my own music in plugin folder and it will drag from that?
round blaze
anyone use geyser? is it stable?
simple garden
yes it is
rigid wigeon
hey guys do you get java edition if you have pe
simple garden
and i do
not that i know of, get the microsoft launcher and download java and try logging in with you microsoft account
rigid wigeon
ok
simple garden
that will tell you if you get it, i am not sure if you do though
simple garden
Blah lol
simple garden
Are you trying to get a friend in your world
So there is away to get your buddy into your world
Of that is what you are trying to do
If***
simple garden
but my friend
So you'd have to run a server, install geyser & floodgate and open port 25565(java) & the bedrock port.
rigid wigeon
minecraft making this will make geyser useless?
simple garden
I forgot the bedrock port. You can google that.
rigid wigeon
So you'd have to run a server, install geyser & floodgate and open port 25565(ja...
i forgot my modem pass
cannot port forward
simple garden
What #1 said lol
rigid wigeon
You can always factory restore your modem
dont i still have to call isp
coarse lily
minecraft making this will make geyser useless?
No, it isn't very clear from any of their announcements/videos/etc. It just means if you buy one you get both now.
rigid wigeon
oh
simple garden
You do have to configure geyser to use floodgate but other then that it's mainly just opening ports. There is 1 line in geyser configuration u have to change.
molten egret
What #1 said lol
Mhm yep #1. Put me on that core team and don’t question why there is a terminal command that is opening a Rick roll using chrome in the code that I add
simple garden
Now if you are using a hosting site then you have to change the port values in geyser and flood
simple garden
Mhm yep #1. Put me on that core team and don’t question why there is a terminal ...
Lol!!!
molten egret
Now if you are using a hosting site then you have to change the port values in g...
You can have it clone the remote port if you can only get one port from your provider(they will have to have UDP open tho)
simple garden
I didn't have to do that so you'll have to get help from #1 with that cloning stuff
My router is loaded with ports cause of different games lol. It's getting bad for me xD
simple garden
Yeah I am not messing with that. I called my provider and had them do it. Cod is a whole new area with routers
They should just sell a cod router
unkempt jackal
better come with a coupon for gamer fuel
dude what if they made a minecraft router that automatically forwarded 25565
it would be so pointless but wow would it sell well I'm sure
cloud tulip
With Geyser, should you run it on velocity, paper or both?
molten egret
With Geyser, should you run it on velocity, paper or both?
Geyser runs on the velocity proxy but floodgate may be needed on both for certain situations
Like some anticheats that have special bedrock features
Need you to setup floodgate to forward the info to the backend servers
cloud tulip
ok
shy eagle
No, it isn't very clear from any of their announcements/videos/etc. It just mean...
I think they are really trying to get Java pc players into bedrock with the mine coin store and realms for multiplayer. They make way more money on bedrock
Geyser I found to be glitchy. Though the big disappointment is on switch and Xbox you can only use realms :/ I would love to play my Java world on my switch lol
shy eagle
Ya I’ve tried that and could never get it to work right, plus I don’t really like the idea of an dns purposely doing man in the middle attacks to trick the game. I have gotten my iPhone on my smp sever with gyser but seemed be a crappy experience. I am amazed people play on phones
unkempt jackal
I have a player on my smp who exclusively joins from his ipad thanks to geyser and floodgate and he is super dedicated to the server too
warm anchor
maybe that's all they have so they have no other choice of games 
shy eagle
Geyser will run on velocity , though you have to login with your Microsoft account every time. Floodgate fixes that but uses your bedrock account it works thing cause when I login it’s different items and skin.
Ah an iPad might be a better choice , curious if it works with any of those Bluetooth controllers
cloud tulip
I really wish that the console clients just supported joining self hosted servers without having to do DNS spoofing
spare venture
I think they are really trying to get Java pc players into bedrock with the mine...
that’s why they have a minecoin store on java right?
shy eagle
Do they? Lol I thought that was bedrock thing
spare venture
it was a joke
shy eagle
We get to just upload custom skins, bedrock players have to pay for them xD
cloud tulip
Two of my friends didn't join my server because they are not technical enough to mess around with network settings.
spare venture
mojang is well aware that java players are not going to transfer to bedrock in large groups
lilac moon
We get to just upload custom skins, bedrock players have to pay for them xD
you can upload skins on bedrock too
I have mine the same as java
lilac moon
I really wish that the console clients just supported joining self hosted server...
just get a domain I guess
that's the easiest
cloud tulip
I have a domain
spare venture
and yeah they make way more money on bedrock even without their marketplace, iirc 240 million copies sold and only 40 million are java
lilac moon
wait then why not use that
cloud tulip
but on switch/xbox you can't input the server to join as far as I know
shy eagle
It does feel like the environment are different between them. Most people play bedrock but it’s mainly the casual crowd . Seems Java it’s mostly the involved and serious players.
spare venture
consoles can’t join random servers
shy eagle
Yup on switch and Xbox you can only join realms or a pre defined list of official servers that are approved by Microsoft
spare venture
most people that play bedrock are on console and mobile, most people that play java are on PC. that’s the main division
lilac moon
Yup on switch and Xbox you can only join realms or a pre defined list of officia...
Wtf
That's dumb
cloud tulip
I would have paid for Realms except the latency would suck. The closest cloud data centre is like 2000+km away
lilac moon
that's not that far
cloud tulip
cable is longer
magic river
Pay Microsoft 30% of all revenue and hire professional moderators to ensure your server is family friendly and you can be on that list too 😄
shy eagle
My only guess is related to content control, as you can play with friends on realms and have to follow their rules.
lilac moon
Probably under 100 ms for that distance
cloud tulip
latency is usually about ~100ms for games hosted there
lilac moon
Yeah that's nothing
shy eagle
All about moderation when it comes to video games that get ESRB ratings that parents care about lol
lilac moon
Pay Microsoft 30% of all revenue and hire professional moderators to ensure your...
30% of 0 is 0 :)
magic river
Online content is always not rated
They put explicit language in there telling you they can't guarantee what you will or won't see online
shy eagle
God forbid Timmy gets on Xbox and joins a server to make block dicks xD
Though Microsoft could just be flexing its muscle and forcing people to pay for realms to profit lol
magic river
30% of 0 is 0 :)
0 revenue but a team (needs to be at least 3 people) of professional moderators? You must be some rich guy trying to gain renown
cloud tulip
I could understand making it a parental control setting, maybe even defaulting to it being disabled. But just not allowing it is dissapointing.
shy eagle
The official bedrock server is still in development and not a stable product anyway. Idk if they care about bedrock as a product or just milk it. I was watching a video about how bedrock has way more issues compared to Java and things take longer to get patched
magic river
Kids would definitely look up how to do it on youtube but being hidden would mean parents wouldn't know where it is
spare venture
in what way does bedrock have way more issues
magic river
I bet there are a lot of people complaining the game doesn't work right on their phone
Mobile GLES drivers make nvidia drivers look good 😛
Ok, that's not fair, nvidia's GL driver usually gets praised it just isn't actually GL
cloud tulip
so if the bedrock server is not ready, what are they running on Realms?
magic river
The bedrock server 😛
shy eagle
This is the video I watched, though this guy could just be bias. He basically argues that bedrock just gets less development attention. https://youtu.be/VKydXD6Lr20
lilac moon
where is the blazing fast 🚀 memory safe 🚀 rust 🦀 version of bedrock server
magic river
Pretty sure the team working on Bedrock is several times larger than Java
lilac moon
Yeah I bet
magic river
Last time I had any hard numbers it was something like 50 vs 10
spare venture
i’m sure a video titled “the downfall of minecraft” is going to have a lot of good information
when they sell 40 million copies a year
an increasing number every year
cloud tulip
ah, yeah, bedrock server is listed as alpha on their site
lilac moon
i’m sure a video titled “the downfall of minecraft” is going to have a lot of go...
True
magic river
You mean beta 1.9
spare venture
right…
magic river
Err, wait, beta 1.8 was the bad one
beta 1.9 never happened, they called it 1.0
beta 1.8 added potions and enchantments
shy eagle
Ya funny the bedrock sever page still shows this. But I guess it’s better now, maybe they use a private code base for realms. I do remember a year ago they listed bedrock sever as an alpha stage thing.
cloud tulip
Pretty sure the team working on Bedrock is several times larger than Java
so 99 people working on monetization, 1 working on features and no one working on stability/parity
spare venture
when 1.9 released minecraft had sold 100 million copies in 2016. now it has sold 240 million copies, i don’t call that a downfall
magic river
Isn't bedrock basically at feature parity while also running like 10x as fast? 😛
Like, bedrock runs faster than even after you load up all the fabric mods for performance
spare venture
there are still things java has that bedrock does not, and vice versa
coarse lily
Pretty sure the team working on Bedrock is several times larger than Java
Yeah, Bedrock gets way more development attention
lilac moon
C++ moment
spare venture
iirc bedrock does not have the offhand, only shield
coarse lily
I don't think it's quite at feature parity, but it's close.
lilac moon
iirc bedrock does not have the offhand, only shield
How does shield exist without offhand
spare venture
java doesn’t have custom models in the ways that bedrock does
magic river
I think in some cases they intentionally aren't 1:1
spare venture
How does shield exist without offhand
a shield slot
lilac moon
Oh
spare venture
that’s because bedrock is a console/mobile focused environment lol
magic river
Like, their redstone system is/was different
lilac moon
Ui is probably a touchscreen moment
shy eagle
I know red stone works but different, sticky pistons won’t push out blocks and stuff
silver nexus
bedrock honestly seems like a better alternative, the only thing holding it back (imo) is a lack of the community that java already has
magic river
It was significantly more efficient and for basic uses works the same
spare venture
and a very terrible modding system, and c++
silver nexus
modding scene is bad
eager orbit
modding scene is bad
well, mainly because you cant really mod c++
shy eagle
Ya I guess bedrock is better than they pocket edition. With lots of limitions removed
spare venture
the two versions are for different groups of people
lilac moon
Java has crazy stuff
magic river
Bedrock's modding problem is that it was built on Java 1.2.5 so unless they've done significant reworking you have to hack up the code to do any interesting modding
But it's C++ so you can't hack up the code
eager orbit
the two versions are for different groups of people
except one is gonna get killed and the other wont more than likely
silver nexus
yea
spare venture
neither are going to be killed lol what
lilac moon
Wait the mods are Java?
shy eagle
Modding is suppose to be better but I mean you have to load stuff though the marketplace I think and Microsoft’s approval
eager orbit
neither are going to be killed lol what
java is less profitable than bedrocxk
silver nexus
It would be stupid to kill off either version
spare venture
profit is profit
silver nexus
Modding is suppose to be better but I mean you have to load stuff though the mar...
you can get addons and such but its odd
cloud tulip
Large companies do tons of stupid stuff
spare venture
mojang is not a large company
eager orbit
owned by microsoft
cloud tulip
isn't that going to be an rts?
magic river
Mojang has a higher bond rating than the US Government 😄
shy eagle
I think Minecraft is one of the most complex things running on Java. Java is like mostly old enterprise software
lilac moon
I doubt its even close to the most complex
spare venture
have you ever heard the saying about hire twice as many developers and it will take twice as long to complete?
lilac moon
There's lots of stuff used for Java, and its not just old
shy eagle
If Notch waited little longer we may have all been using python ha
magic river
I've done enterprise Java professionally, Minecraft is a joke in comparison 😛
lilac moon
If Notch waited little longer we may have all been using python ha
Oh no
vernal moth
I think Minecraft is one of the most complex things running on Java. Java is lik...
Kekw
eager orbit
If Notch waited little longer we may have all been using python ha
lua 🤡
vernal moth
You have no idea
shy eagle
Ya but game wise not many things to the public I should have said
spare venture
with a million times as many bugs
magic river
IntelliJ is written in Java
lilac moon
True
magic river
Well, Java and Kotlin
shy eagle
RuneScape,, I mean what other but Java things are to the everyday gamer
lilac moon
ElasticSearch is the first java thing that comes to mind for me
shy eagle
Most people get Java and JavaScript confused as one thing xD
spare venture
2 billion devices run on java
lilac moon
JavaScript is like not even related
shy eagle
Lol I remember all the Java phone games,
vernal moth
Every SIM card runs java
lilac moon
Is it
eager orbit
2 billion devices run on java
thats 2 billion too many
magic river
Your SIM card is written in Java
lilac moon
Because JVM itself can't be java
cloud tulip
lot's of enterprisey software is java
magic river
That's where the 2 billion comes from
lilac moon
True
lilac moon
It could be?
Where would the JVM run
magic river
Because JVM itself can't be java
coarse lily
Your SIM card is written in Java
All I hear is you saying I can run Minecraft on my SIM.
shy eagle
Doom rpg was a Java phone exclusive ha
vernal moth
There are a ton of self hosted languages
lilac moon
Cursed
vernal moth
Java could be exclusively written in java no problem
lilac moon
I know of lots of languages that are writtnenin then selves but not interpreted ones
magic river
PyPy is a Python JIT and GC written in Python
shy eagle
N gauge was Java right?
RIP flash player
Java applets outlived it, though not many websites use it anymore.
Java is at least easily cross platform. I have not dug into using C++ yet but I’ve heard it’s more efficient but takes more work to do the same stuff
Maybe one day Apple will take over and we all will be using swift lol jk
elfin urchin
1?
magic river
9
eager orbit
depends
elfin urchin
💀
eager orbit
I HATE YOU
elfin urchin
^
eager orbit
but ur not wrong
shy eagle
Lol I was never taught this in college xD
magic river
eager orbit
ngl, its 1 though
shy eagle
I just know in trig we started using weird symbols and I feel bad for the math majors xD
magic river
It's 9
silver nexus
Respectfully, stub your toe on the corner of a stone.
It's one from what i was taught
magic river
Nah it's just a multiplication
silver nexus
PEMDAS anyone?
eager orbit
guys
coarse lily
Please excuse my dear angry snake.
shy eagle
Please eat melons and I forgot the rest
eager orbit
x=9 peeps, let me bring in exhibit a
silver nexus
Please excuse my dear angry snake.
"Aunt Sally"
coarse lily
"Aunt Sally"
acoustic symphony
silver nexus
"Actual Sister"
shy eagle
Look I paid lot of money for this ti84 and I am going to let it do the hard work :p
eager orbit
x=9 peeps, let me bring in exhibit a
What is 6 / -3
magic river
shy eagle
Bringing out wolfram, must be a math major lol
eager orbit
but it gets 6 / -3 wrong
shy eagle
The next question, how to do it in R
eager orbit
its (6/(-1))*3
magic river
6/-3 is -2, what are you talking about?
eager orbit
6/-3 is -2, what are you talking about?
- sign is a constant for -1
silver nexus
i was taught that you'd do the math inside the parentheses and then multiply that, and the 2, then divide the 6 by that number
magic river
Then it would be 6 / (-1 * 3) so it's still -2 😛
shy eagle
Ya the wolfram software stuff is pretty op, had one professor creating workbooks with interactive graphing Nd visuals with the math
eager orbit
Then it would be 6 / (-1 * 3) so it's still -2 😛
nope, left to right not right to left
shy eagle
Left of right but stuff in () first
magic river
y'all must have failed math 😛
eager orbit
y'all must have failed math 😛
:troll:
silver nexus
so 6 / (2*(1+2))
shy eagle
Hmm not 3 *3
magic river
I'll admit I bombed out of trig but before that I was one of those kids they sent to the high school to take math classes the middle school didn't offer
eager orbit
coefficients come before the rest of division and multiplication
magic river
I think most of my problem with trig was that before that math was so easy I never had to put in any effort
timber ice
6/2 (1+2) = 6/2x3 = 3x3 = 9
The 3 doesn't keep its parenthesis
Even if it did, it wouldnt matter
Since there are no calculations to be performed in them anyways
magic river
The parenthesis are just so you do the addition first
timber ice
Parenthesis only really matter on the outside for exponents IIRC
shy eagle
I hate how Java does the random rounding with its integers. also don’t know why there are both doubles and floats when most other languages just have floats
magic river
And then you drop the multiplication system for some reason when it's a variable or parenthesis on the right side
timber ice
-2^2 vs (-2)^2
magic river
I hate how Java does the random rounding with its integers. also don’t know why ...
"most other languages just have floats"
shy eagle
Ah ya the exponent first before the negative right
magic river
JS and Python are the only ones I've used where that's true
JS optimizes the shit out of it try to not have doubles for everything and Python just accepts being slow
timber ice
Ah ya the exponent first before the negative right
First one would be -2 * 2, second one would be -2 * -2
eager orbit
-2^2 vs (-2)^2
in which case, the negative sign serves as a constant for -1
shy eagle
Ah I don’t think php does. That was my first one I tried to teach myself before learning Java. Also game maker but that is a dead thing now lol
timber ice
What are you doing lmao
eager orbit
(-1)(2^2) and ((-1)(2))^2
timber ice
You're overcomplicating a simple problem
???
Because there is no division in that
Obviously it'd be 6 it's just 2 * 3
shy eagle
The only way to solve this is creating a red stone calculator and inputting it there
= what?
magic river
C, C++, ObjC, Swift, Rust, Java, C#, Go, I'm sure I'm missing some. These all have float and double
timber ice
But then we're throwing order of operations out the window
You have to keep it in the same context
untold vault
6/2(1+2) becomes 6/2*(1+2)
shy eagle
Rust is mainly the crypto bro language right? Lol
timber ice
All 2(2) is is just 2 * (2), the parenthesis do not matter once the inside has been solved.
vernal moth
Rust is the replacement for c/c++
magic river
Python and Ruby don't even use floats, they use arbitrary precision representations and basically do math the same way you do
vernal moth
It's for systems level stuff
coarse lily
Python and Ruby don't even use floats, they use arbitrary precision representati...
By writing it down on a napkin?
That seems inefficient.
timber ice
💀
magic river
You need another math class 😄
3x and 3*x are the same thing
So, in your own world where you make up your own math, you get a different answer
coarse lily
You need another math class 😄
It's been like 24 years! I think I'm done with math classes for better or worse. :)
timber ice
It's why we have order of operations or else programming would be a living nightmare.
We apply it to math to make it consistent
shy eagle
Hmm bedrock is c++ right? I know Microsoft is all pro c# but I think that is just for windows systems tho
I am a noob when comes to programming stuff lol.
magic river
I bet more Linux servers are running C# than Windows
timber ice
It is tho
vernal moth
Hmm bedrock is c++ right? I know Microsoft is all pro c# but I think that is jus...
Microsoft literally has their own team for developing the java language
lilac moon
The correct answer is to be very clear and explicit with your parentheses instead of relying on order of operations :troll:
vernal moth
Simplifications like that don't hold
timber ice
We're talking about a basic algebra problem
or actually just arithmetic
since it's not even algebra
lavish crest
What about Postfix notation?
lilac moon
6
lavish crest
It gets rid of the need for parentheses.
coarse lily
What about Postfix notation?
It's a lot better than sendmail configs.
timber ice
So you're adding new parenthesis, therefor changing the final answer.
shy eagle
Microsoft literally has their own team for developing the java language
Ah I thought oracle was the owners of it. I do know they have their own python too . Microsoft seems to have a strong foothold in development stuff In general. .
lilac moon
It's a lot better than sendmail configs.
Lmao
magic river
What do you call higher level math?
shy eagle
I just use visual studio for the SSIS packages, neat seeing how many options you can choose to develop stuff for.
timber ice
💀
magic river
Perhaps when you get to multivariate calculus they make up their own rules
timber ice
Because you learn that in like 5th grade
half kindle
So I'm trying to make like a death chest thingy that allow players to teleport back to their location. I'm using Player#teleport. But sometimes when a player dies in the nether and use the teleport function, it teleports the player to above the bedrock ceiling instead of the exact coordinate. I want them to teleport to this chest
shy eagle
What do you call higher level math?
Once you get past calc 3 xD I never got past 1 lol
magic river
I have never seen them mean (2(1+2))
timber ice
No
lilac moon
what even was the original question
coarse lily
So I'm trying to make like a death chest thingy that allow players to teleport b...
You want #paper-dev
untold vault
what even was the original question
What is6/2(2+1)
timber ice
You can not just add new parenthesis, that is just changing the problem
shy eagle
So I'm trying to make like a death chest thingy that allow players to teleport b...
Ya I think you need to do something extra to warp them back to the overworld
lilac moon
Because like, why would you ever even write that problem in the first place, its ambiguous for no reason
timber ice
At least we're lucky Java doesn't allow that or we'd have to have more stupid debates.
unkempt jackal
so glad java doesn't allow that
shy eagle
This whole thing makes us seems like dorks debating about math xD
magic river
shy eagle
Think a lot of these issues resolve in how the problem is laid out, and can be fixed by changing the format
timber ice
6/2 is a fraction, unless shown otherwise.
lilac moon
would these people say that 3(x + y) equals 3x + y
timber ice
3x + 3y?
lilac moon
exactly
timber ice
Nah they would say it's 3xy 💀
shy eagle
Lol that one is high school math, lots of people forget tho
lilac moon
yeah
vernal moth
Ah I thought oracle was the owners of it. I do know they have their own python t...
Java is open source
lilac moon
but then by the same logic wouldn't it be 6 / 2(3)
shy eagle
Some people leave high school and math Just goes to the grave
lilac moon
So it would be 1
timber ice
No lol
magic river
This actually appears to be a style thing
vernal moth
Oh god people still discussing this
lilac moon
Where did it go wrong
timber ice
All that is is 3 * x + 3 * y
shy eagle
Haha
timber ice
3x + 3y
magic river
Some people are taught the craziness @rugged pilot is talking about and the rest of us were taught the right way 😄
lilac moon
Confusion
magic river
This is like the oxford comma of math
shy eagle
Let’s just bring matrixes into this while we are at it
eager orbit
This is like the oxford comma of math
wait whats wrong with the oxford comma?
lilac moon
If parentheses is first, why is it not 6/2(3)
silver nexus
i was taught that parentheses next to a number meant multiplication, so it would be 6 / (2*(1+2))
vernal moth
Exactly
timber ice
I could get a PhD in mathematics and still say it's 9
magic river
Nothing, you should always use the oxford comma
timber ice
You can't change my mind
lilac moon
Wait how'd you get 9
timber ice
i was taught that parentheses next to a number meant multiplication, so it would...
You're adding parenthesis
magic river
It's literally just a style thing
lilac moon
Wait nvm I see
magic river
Unless you were clear upfront what style you were using the question was wrong
silver nexus
You're adding parenthesis
im aware, but it would still be the same based off what i was taught
magic river
So it's still @rugged pilot 's fault 😄
lilac moon
The real question is who uses / as opposed to just drawing a fraction
silver nexus
The real question is who uses / as opposed to just drawing a fraction
i do 💀
shy eagle
Ya most math stuff will be faction, though / I guess is used in programming
vernal moth
You're adding parenthesis
(a)/(b) always has implied parenthesis
lilac moon
If it were a fraction it would be 1 (I know that's not what it says)
timber ice
(a)/(b) always has implied parenthesis
???
Any single number can have parenthesis added
vernal moth
Write it down as a proper fraction on a paper
timber ice
(2) + (2) is not different then 2 + 2
lilac moon
And when programming I would use parentheses to turn it into effectively a fraction
timber ice
Yeah
vernal moth
(2) + (2) is not different then 2 + 2
For division it's important
Cause division isn't attributive or whatever the fuck that was called
shy eagle
Wolfram and LaTex have all the fancy faction stuff. Especially if you have operations and x on the top and bottom
timber ice
(2/2) (2)/(2)
cloud tulip
The math "language" sucks a lot in my opinion.
It's optimized for writing instead of reading/clarity.
The design of the symbols and how they fit together is all aligned for maximum strokes per second when handwriting math, that is to say, mathematicians are a bunch of wankers that prioritize efficiency of wrist movements above all else.
I didn't get how all the implicit shit worked in school, I only learned that from some YouTuber much later on.
timber ice
You keep saying that but you're literally just removing part of the problem thereby voiding order of operations
shy eagle
Easier to cancel out terms when the fraction is too and bottom
timber ice
It's a pointless argument, both answers are right and the question is wrong
bronze light
I know My dear aunt Sally wouldn't lie to me
spare venture
you know order of operations are just a convention so people do math in the same way
silver nexus
Brain successfully fried, thank you guys! hopefully I can actually fall asleep tonight
timber ice
But in the context of this arithmetic problem, you can not just remove it & set it to a variable, you're removing the context.
magic river
You use a different convention, give a question where the answer is ambiguous based on the convention you use, and then don't tell us what convention to use to solve it
So you asked the question wrong
spare venture
if there is ambiguity in an expression, then that is a failing of whoever wrote it
vernal moth
That's why we got proper math expressions
magic river
As far as I can tell this isn't a "higher level math" thing
It's just a style choice
untold vault
5/5/5 =/= 5/(5/5)
lilac moon
This is why fractions are superior
vernal moth
Exactly
spare venture
yeah i took calc 1-3, ODE, PDE, linear algebra, and so on and this was never an issue because we all just used the same convention
magic river
PEMDAS seems to be the majority so if you aren't using it you should definitely say so
shy eagle
Has anyone asked GlaDOS?
unkempt jackal
please excuse my dear aunt sally
lilac moon
What if my aunt isn't named Sally
silver nexus
please excuse my dear aunt sally
YEA SOMEONE ELSE LEARNT IT LIKE THAT
lilac moon
I don't own any ants
timber ice
I agree, order of precedence is dumb in programming
I'd rather let my program run and it be random.
coarse lily
YEA SOMEONE ELSE LEARNT IT LIKE THAT
That's the main mnemonic device widely used, so not surprising.
shy eagle
But if there is no math there would be no computer
spare venture
yeah we should just do everything as addition
no easy shortcuts like multiplication
vernal moth
If you don't like pemdas just litter your code with parentheses, I don't mind
timber ice
You should do anyways
shy eagle
Isn’t that how binary stuff works? Like computers have to do work around for division and multiplication right?
magic river
Nah, computers abuse base 2 for that stuff
coarse lily
Computers are just really small abacuses.
vernal moth
Some of you guys have never build a binary multiplicator in Minecraft and it really shows
spare venture
the universe is just some dude in a back room adding a bunch of numbers together constantly
magic river
How do you feel about long multiplication vs grid method?
shy eagle
Damn logs and their bases
shy eagle
Some of you guys have never build a binary multiplicator in Minecraft and it rea...
I’m not that much of a pro yet, I have made a automated target range so I am working up my way to the fancy red stone stuff
vernal moth
The redstone stuff is easy if you know the logic stuff
Should start with a 4 bit adder tho, lol
shy eagle
Ya I did take a class on digital logic so makes sense, about some of the gates . Stuff like cooperators have made stuff easier too
vernal moth
Right normal math classes don't even teach logic gates
magic river
shy eagle
Ya logic gates are a comp science thing at least where I did my undergrad, math majors would have to elect to take it if they wanted to
magic river
- What is a NAND gate?
- ???
- Tetris
eager orbit
Some of you guys have never build a binary multiplicator in Minecraft and it rea...
isnt binary multiplication basically just adding shifted copies of the number together
vernal moth
Ya logic gates are a comp science thing at least where I did my undergrad, math ...
Well, I studied applied mathematics and computer science, so I can't tell what normal boring math is and what the real world stuff is, lol
eager orbit
so
101
x 11
101
- 1010
shy eagle
Also negative numbers in base 2 , I forgot how computer handle negatives. They just add another bit to the front something right?
timber ice
uhhh
I mean 0 and 1 represents a negative or non-negative IIRC, but I forgor how they deal with that
shy eagle
Look I had to cheat on these quiz’s at the time so no clue haha
eager orbit
Also negative numbers in base 2 , I forgot how computer handle negatives. They j...
Two's complement
shy eagle
Well idk if it’s cheating if the class is online and everyone is googling stuff lol
magic river
timber ice
I took a course that had us go over a bunch of binary stuff, but I've forgotten a lot of it. Should probably brush up on my knowledge.
magic river
little endian is a representation detail 😛
eager orbit
Two's complement
basically, the most significant bit become -2^(n-1) and the rest is just normal
magic river
big endian is the "right" way, little endian is used for perf and/or legacy reasons
You usually don't have to care about it
shy eagle
I also learned Java being a data major for some reason . the cool kids got to learn c++
unkempt jackal
ok but now you're the cool kid cause you can make minecraft plugins
silver nexus
Old conversation now, but yea 9 is right. https://www.autodidacts.io/disorder-of-operations/ geometry teacher pointed me here when i shot her an email about it
timber ice
Old conversation now, but yea 9 is right. https://www.autodidacts.io/disorder-of...
Not again 
magic river
big endian is the "natural" layout
If they weren't going to teach endianness at all that would be the one they'd use
little endian looks confusing until you explain the endian concept and why it's used
eager orbit
nvm im stupid, idk how i forgot that they dont actually mean end in "endian"
shy eagle
magic river
What do you mean, sure they do
eager orbit
What do you mean, sure they do
they mean big beginian
magic river
That's called ARM, SPARC, POWER, Alpha, MIPS, etc
Although I think ARMv9 dropped the ability to switch?
Or maybe just Apple did in their custom ARM-like arch
btw, Apple is the only one that has or will have a license from ARM that lets them pick and choose what parts of the spec to follow
shy eagle
Love sparc, I know it’s specialized but the sun Microsystems were always cool
magic river
Apple got that special license because they created ARM 😛
ARM the company, not the original CPU
shy eagle
Ampere is making some awesome ARM chips for severe, that is what I have my Minecraft running on now. I feel like raspberry pi’s really brought arm to the forefront
vernal moth
7am, time for some work on hangar!
magic river
Companies can also obtain an ARM architectural licence for designing their own CPU cores using the ARM instruction sets. These cores must comply fully with the ARM architecture.
Apple's M1 pretty blatantly doesn't comply with the spec
shy eagle
Arm is just a type of risc I thought
magic river
They removed some stuff and even reused some opcodes from the stuff they removed for something else
shy eagle
And ya I think the future is not with x64 anymore, Apple may be the leaders in that but Microsoft is also doing their own thing too with the surface computers
I mean the M1 is just a powerful iPhone chip deep down isn’t it? Lol
magic river
Ampere stuff is just ARM N1 cores with some minor tweaks
Apple is fully custom, from scratch
shy eagle
The performance seems amazing with native code. Feel like the 8gb ram was the issue but the new m1 pro and max have that solved
shy eagle
That Mac studio with the m1 ultra is overkill, think it puts the Mac Pro Xeon to shame
magic river
M1 could have 16GB
shy eagle
I think the m1 pro and max still above m2 for now, until the m2 max and pro lol
merry talon
man i want a top spec mac studio so bad
shy eagle
I love Apple so I am bias there xD Unix fan at least, windows is at the bottom of my os tier but I am forced to use it for work
Ya that ultra is overkill, I feel sorry for those who spent all that money on the Mac pro which looks cool but the Xeon just can’t compare. Maybe the dedicated gpu can
There is an ongoing project to port Linux to m1 natively, though still early in dev
magic river
M1 Max power usage appears to max out around 44W from testing in a 16" MBP but it does this
shy eagle
The Mac Pro looks really cool tho
eager orbit
Agreed
The only thing I would consider outside of windows / Linux is chromeOS, due to the easy portability
shy eagle
Max studio looks goofy tho lol
unkempt jackal
chromebooks are cool
shy eagle
Macs are high demand for iOS devs tho cause you can’t really do it anywhere else
eager orbit
Macs are high demand for iOS devs tho cause you can’t really do it anywhere else
Because apple
magic river
btw in case you didn't spot it on that graph, the M1 Max (in a laptop with 44W power usage) smoked the 5950X on SPECfp2017
shy eagle
Also Logic Pro and final cut, you have creatives that won’t leave mac for it.
shy eagle
Those Amd chips are desktop ones no?
magic river
You brought up multicore to start with because you thought it lost there
Yeah those are the desktop chips
It was ~30% faster on SPECint2017 vs comparable laptop chips
shy eagle
Amd laptops still hit or miss, though I know the m1 max flys past any intel i9 laptop
merry talon
those are just marketing terms
shy eagle
I guess the argument is risc is really just better than the x64 architecture
magic river
5950X is $550, building a whole machine around that to rival the 16" MBP (aside from the form factor since that's obviously impossible) would probably be like $2000?
I think the 16" MBP is like $2600 though
5nm doesn't make IPC go up
Switching to a better node lets you turn up clocks, turn down voltage, or redesign the thing to use your larger transistor budget to hopefully improve IPC
white summit
xray
magic river
everyone
shy eagle
I don’t think any of the intel iris or Amd apu can compare to the graphics on m1
magic river
Laptops are the only part of the PC market that still has sales volume worth mentioning
shy eagle
When I sold computer for micro center I sold like 90 percent laptops, few people outside of gamers or old people choose big bulky desktops
sharp sentinel
Yeah
magic river
Ok fine, AMD better, feel better now? 😛
shy eagle
Lol if you want to edit 4k video on the go as a film person then MacBook is great for that
sharp sentinel
I have the fully specced out M1 Max MBP for work
sharp sentinel
I defs would not have bought this machine for personal use, but I definitely need this performance for work, and definitely need a laptop for portability
shy eagle
Logic Pro is also a loved choice for producers as the windows software sucks for that
white summit
guys what is wrong? can somebody help me?
shy eagle
guys what is wrong? can somebody help me?
Idk I ask every day I wake up
sharp sentinel
guys what is wrong? can somebody help me?
I mean I work on video editing software lol so I'm biased about the space
merry talon
gimp is literally at parity to photoshop
sharp sentinel
But given licensing issues with encoders etc + the complexity, it's not as easy as just open sourcing it
shy eagle
Ya adobe owns the market and Apple is their only competitor in a small way
Can’t beat the creative cloud
Well having to pay every month sucks but the software is great lol
magic river
GIMP doesn't do higher bitrate images yet, does it?
That was supposed to be a GIMP 3.0 thing
cloud tulip
For video editing the free version of Davinci Resolve is amazing, but still not open source
sharp sentinel
Encoders require you to pay to use it in the software, basically
Yeah, like exporting in MP4 requires a license
That's infeasible for an open source project
sharp sentinel
There are, OpenH264 etc
They're not good enough for use in professional video editing
shy eagle
Ya I think some of the formats are copywrited tech
prime haven
Cause its not that easy to just “make” one.
magic river
You aren't allowed to make something that can produce or consume H264 or HEVC without patent licenses