general

[sinful hornet]

@robust lynx reason for freind request?

[robust lynx]

...? Did I..?

[void void]

he didn't friend me :(

[left swift]

no one will

[magic river]

Wow that's going to be a... problem https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-china-farming/chinas-corn-planting-facing-delays-as-lockdowns-leave-farmers-stranded-idINL3N2WA256

It sounds like their planting season for corn is about the same as around here, I think the latest they ever want to go is the first week of May

[left swift]

why dont they just buy some corn from the store then lol

[void void]

rule 4

[left swift]

I want someone to love me can you pay that upfront

[violet tulip]

according to the wiki, beacon beams are visible from 1342 blocks (https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Beacon#Beam) in java edition... any way to do this on a paper server too? because somehow the beams despawn for me after the chunk despawns

[worthy geode]

Why is that Dev making so much drama about nms on the plugin page lol

[wet storm]

Oh no, block game drama again 😩 /s

[foggy veldt]

The bold text is a sign of a broken man who has read the same support message 500 times

[worthy geode]

But it's not even true

[foggy veldt]

It was tldr

[worthy geode]

No NMS support was dropped because it was never supported. And there are ways to add custom heads without NMS

[vernal moth]

spigot even copied our api for that (and made it worse) nowadays so there is really no excuse, lol

[limber knot]

@violet tulip can you verify that claim, I strongly doubt that is actually the case at least from the server code handling that that I have seen

Well the github source code does not make a maven pom or gradle buildscript available, so what do we expect

[violet tulip]

I just suspected that it might have to do something with optifine because it's happening in a single player world too

[limber knot]

Eclipse is nice and all, but not as a build tool in production

[true canyon]

Big oof on that post. They probably are stressed at school (see ending remark about being a student) and didn't understand the 1.18 changes on first glance and leapt to the wrong conclusion :(

[limber knot]

Considering that I don't have anything productive to do right now I'll take a poke at updating it

[wet storm]

What's wrong with md_5? Without jokes, does it his real point of view or is he just a freak, or we'll never understand what happens with him? And what was the original fork reason of paperspigot from spigot?

[left swift]

this again

[void void]

Is it possible for anyone to update that plugin to 1.18? Need this done.

Okay thanks Geolykt

Let me know how much once you finished, or if anyone else wants to take on the task.

[ashen nacelle]

My Project so far.

Control = custom fields for data input
Blank = Raw Sourcecode.

[spare venture]

what plugin?

did i miss something

[ashen nacelle]

This is a Tournament Managment System i am making

[void void]

Need this plugin updated to support 1.18:
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/farmcraft-1-17-fully-custom-crops.50031/

Will pay anyone who can get this done and working.

[spare venture]

oh my that disclaimer message

[magic river]

Presumably a beacon beam would only be visible from 1342 blocks away if you have a view distance of 84

Otherwise how would the client or server know there is a beacon to have a beam for?

[smoky cloud]

I keep reading that as "bacon beam"

[spare venture]

yeah without mods you can’t have a view distance nearly that far

[ashen nacelle]

all the "Blanks" in the diagram are pieces of code that execute a series of queries against the SQL database to Create Matchups, Update Rounds, and Determine who Won or Lost.

[worn ember]

dude got fed up xD

[dusk marten]

okay yeah, the migration seems straightforward. I'll spend a bit debugging it once it compiles (which it should soon). Afterwards I should get rid of all the deprecated shit it uses

[void void]

thank you very much

[left swift]

mods are asleep let's talk about the Ukraine

[wide chasm]

Mod stefvanschie reporting for duty

[quasi valley]

mods are asleep, post pictures of vegetables

[vernal moth]

wow your cat looks like a slightly less fluffy version of the cat of my best friend

is it a bengal?

[rare python]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic flame]

🖐️

[vernal moth]

hes so beautiful

[left swift]

aw man that's the worst one

[wet storm]

WTF

[vernal moth]

mfw literal screenshot

[left swift]

denery is stuck in 2010

[prime coral]

[wet storm]

How can I screenshot and send while my computer stuck at 1 hr decomp?..

[left swift]

easy

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/by5pNEsS-2022-04-13_17-53-44.JPG?

[left swift]

the first step is not using a samsung smart fridge

[ashen cliff]

Thanks Discord.

[left swift]

krusic

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder that I have to fix my camera.

[wet storm]

No way I can't use my smart fridge for coding plugins

[twin lagoon]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31015840

bratao

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[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/v2sQLHbn-2022-04-13_17-58-26.png

It do be like that sometimes.

[vernal moth]

just snapshots tho

[wet storm]

Imagine asking for help in paper dev showing code with literal screenshot

[dusk marten]

Your issue is kotlin \s

[rare python]

Your issue is not using enough Kotlin

[left swift]

you're issue are skill

[wet storm]

Ratio

[left swift]

reminder

[wet storm]

Also reminder

[wet storm]

[topaz mortar]

Miniquit 😅

[quasi valley]

also don't forget this one

oh wow nomana already sent it himself

[left swift]

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-22w15a

[lone ember]

is there a way to write MC plugins in any other language than Java

I'll take lua at this point

[smoky cloud]

In theory couldn’t you use any JVM language?

[full rune]

kotlin for example

[sterile yoke]

python for example

[lone ember]

I wish python plugins were a thing

[wide chasm]

Should be possible via Jython

I imagine it'd be pretty gross, though.

[lone ember]

seeing the name "Jython" just gave me a feeling of dread

[left swift]

jython gives the same energy as jorts

also so happens that stef is the master of jorts

[wind geyser]

what did that chicken ever do to deserve that :((

[mint meadow]

is it better to make plugins in java or kotlin

[worn ember]

now this is nightmare fuel if mc wasnt a block game

[stuck lynx]

I'm currently working on a plugin that allows loading .js files

[frank otter]

probably unrelated but wasn't there someone trying to compile skript

[worn ember]

i hope you're not using nashorn

[dusk marten]

writes own JS engine

[stuck lynx]

rhino

(so what if it's )

[vernal moth]

You can totally write plugins in python

Using truffle/graal

Same as you can write plugins in JS

[void void]

anybody know how to grow their smp?

[stuck lynx]

what size is it?

[void void]

wdym

[stuck lynx]

How many players are e.g. online in pwak times?

[foggy veldt]

I think lua best scripting language

*runs*

[true canyon]

Water it. Adequate sunlight

[twin lagoon]

@true canyon 🥺

[true canyon]

[quasi valley]

no pleading allowed on wednesdays

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley 🥺

kenny is paper's favourite german

paper's pretty prettiest princess

[true canyon]

🥺

[coarse lily]

@quasi valley Good morning!

[vernal moth]

https://c.tenor.com/qRIcUPckeDYAAAAM/mad-monkey-mad.gif

Thanks YouTube, I didn't know I needed this

https://youtu.be/e4McVxHYg24

[worn ember]

stinky stinky stinky

[brave dome]

Seems like doing it in Lua might be possible too.

https://github.com/luaj/luaj

But it's a bit cursed, LMAO.

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

@lavish compass

[twin lagoon]

weebs

[ashen nacelle]

just write it in RoR lol

[brave dome]

What's RoR? LMAO

[ashen nacelle]

Ruby on Rails

[brave dome]

Oh. Jesus.

[magic river]

You can use Ruby for plugins too

[brave dome]

That all sounds super cursed, hahaha.

[magic river]

https://www.jruby.org/

[brave dome]

Someone should write a Java C interpreter just for the cursed factor.

Wait...

https://github.com/TUM-LRR/Jasmin

[magic river]

https://github.com/oracle/graal/tree/master/sulong

Sulong is a high-performance LLVM bitcode runtime built on the GraalVM by Oracle Labs.

[brave dome]

Jesus. Someone needs to do this. For the meme.

https://github.com/crashub/bash

[uneven fox]

There used to be a GNU Compiler for Java that could compile Java to native code.

[spiral robin]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

Hello aber

[spiral robin]

[uneven fox]

With JNI, you can. But have fun marshalling objects between Java and native code.

[vernal moth]

That's why you use graal

[stuck lynx]

Hmmm, go tell that to latvianmodder

[vernal moth]

Which does that for you for free

[uneven fox]

I wonder if graal is capable of running minecraft.

[stuck lynx]

Try it. We demand it

(idk if it is)

[rare python]

I mean I run my game client with a graalvm jvm

[uneven fox]

Cool, I'll have to give it a try and see if it's faster than openjdk.

[vernal moth]

Only on enterprise edition I would guess

[rare python]

I should do an fps test with it

Well I just compared OpenJDK 18 to GraalVM 17

On a client

Same mod load out

same settings

openjdk gave more frames

However it was a very low effort test

[uneven fox]

Supposedly, it can also compile to native code.

[rare python]

Yes, it would be interesting to try and actually do that.

[uneven fox]

Though I can't imagine it being compatible with mods, since those patch bytecode at runtime.

[rare python]

Actually they seem to be about the same... just openjdk is more consistent...

[brave dome]

whomst has summoned me

[ashen nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-i-summon-you-to-fulfill-your-oath-gif-15974785

[brave dome]

https://youtu.be/B7bfHur9m2Q?t=221

[spare venture]

that’s what he gets for using nms!

[tropic flame]

this is nice, I think OpenComputers uses it as a fallback if it can't use native bindings

[cloud moat]

Did Github Copilot just try to rickroll me

[mellow scarab]

Apex is a good hosting?

In your opinion

[silver nexus]

It does that constantly for me…

Especially when editing JSON files lol

[mellow scarab]

Why?

[raven basin]

any shared hosting is usally a bad idea

shared hosting usally markets towards people who know nothing about servers

look for a good vps instead

or get a dedicated server

[mellow scarab]

I Found that

Sorry for the image spam

[raven basin]

Many hosts that mass sponsor youtubers are pretty trash

just like any other mass sponsored items , Raycons TRASH , Raid Shadow legends TRASH

etc

[warm anchor]

Just think about it this way

Where are the advertising money come from?

I’d much rather support smaller host that invest their money into hardware upgrades and having a long term plan on the business

Also any host that’s advertising for being the “budget” host are generally in a business of racing to the bottom and the first thing to go is usually support staffs and long term hardware plans.

[magic river]

Never change YouTube

Watch a couple videos on how GaryVee is a confidence man, start getting flooded with videos of his talks from fan channels

Because that's how you end up with CJK

Same codepoints, different rendering based on locale, real PITA to support unless you only ever care about one language

No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification#Examples_of_language-dependent_glyphs

They started off with 65536 codepoints and thought they could squeeze the whole world in to them

That's why Java, C#, JavaScript, Qt, etc have broken implementations of the abomination called UTF-16

They were just UCS-2, fixed length 2 byte characters

UTF-16 is objectively the worst encoding you could use

What does shitty Java and Minecraft code have to do with anything? 😛

Unless you're using that as an example of why UTF-16 is a garbage fire

Programming languages aren't ASCII

Variable names in Java can use unicode characters

https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Unicode_variable_names

Look at all the languages you can do that with

Gotta pass -encoding UTF8 to javac

And make sure you're using UTF-8 without a BOM (which isn't valid UTF-8 anyway)

You mean your plugins aren't configuring gradle/maven to use UTF8 for everything?

And reading and writing everything as UTF-8 for files your plugin works with?

iirc Java 17 switched to UTF-8 by default anyway

[raven basin]

Nah I wouldn't trust a smaller host because of many other bad things some of the smalls hosts I have seen will just have servers die and lose all their data and have many security flaws etc

[magic river]

Might be an upcoming version though

[raven basin]

1$ a gb I doubt that

Its shared hosting

vps better

[magic river]

There was a third one people were always recommending around here too

But bloomhost and dedicatedMC are the ones I see the most, probably because Eternity is super active

[warm anchor]

They are new and has newer hardware yeah

[golden gust]

I mean, I have doubts that bloom/dedi are "small" now

but, I mean, they don't have the wider presence of like, the shitty hosts

I mean, you get what you pay for

that's 2.5$ a gig, which isn't bad at all

[warm anchor]

They are the only host that honor aikar’s flsg in full (giving you equal Xms to Xmx)

By default

[golden gust]

Any cheaper than that is gonna be short changing you in some form of manner

slavs

it's basic networking

that's 10k connections being opened

10k connection pipelines being initialised

[raven basin]

is botting even still possible since migration

[golden gust]

at the end of the day, it's down to the size of the pipe and the fact that computers do what computers do

[warm anchor]

Offline mode yes

[golden gust]

but, I mean, stuff like basic firewalling can help with stuff like that to a degree

[warm anchor]

Or just good o’ ddos

[golden gust]

velocity is too far down the chain to be able to deal with that performantly

[raven basin]

Just dont have a cracked server , or have a captcha

[golden gust]

afaik they already have some level of rate limiting but it's not designed to deal with attacks like that, that gets into an opinionated mess which causes more issues than it solves

[warm anchor]

PaperShield™️ when

[raven basin]

I understand alot of people in poorer countrys have to play on cracked servers though

[golden gust]

iptables

you set up a limit towards the number of new connections that can be opened within some period of time

[warm anchor]

Minecraft isn’t necessity

They don’t

[golden gust]

doing it in iptables is still also not exactly ideal, but, I mean, unless you've got access to a bigger firewall, er...

Not per ip

globally is your only real option these days

Well, yea, but it keeps existing players connected, etc

you're getting fucked anyways

[raven basin]

Yeah but its popular and fun

[golden gust]

rate limiting gives a chance for some players to get in, otherwise, that's what you pay proper mitigation services for

at the end of the day the only thing which defeats these types of attacks is more resources

[warm anchor]

There are things people do in poor country for fun and it’s free and legal…. (It cause population being out of control though…

[raven basin]

In most poor countrys piracy is legal

[warm anchor]

Not enforced =/= legal

Piracy isn’t legal in China or Russia

Look at it

[raven basin]

Im talking about spanish countrys and african countries

and 90% of the pirated content is a remote access trojan made by a 13 year old skid in their moms basement

[tropic flame]

"it cause population being out of control though"
i mean, condoms are free

sorry, had to do this one

[warm anchor]

[raven basin]

No their not?

[magic river]

iirc there are only a couple countries that aren't a part of the Berne Convention

[warm anchor]

^

[tropic flame]

idk where you live but at least in Portugal, if you go to a medical center they'll offer you free condoms

I'd assume other European countries do the same

cuz it's part of a campaign to fight STDs

[magic river]

The ones in blue don't allow piracy and honor each other's copyrights

[warm anchor]

I mean all you really need is to tell your female friend that you play 1.8 PvP. That already serve as birth control

[magic river]

So you have maybe 10 countries?

[tropic flame]

all countries in gray are based /s

[magic river]

I thought that was Iran 😛

[tropic flame]

nah, i go by the old name

moving to Persia!

[raven basin]

don't forget the continent

[tropic flame]

ik it has to be with history but I find "Persia" a much cooler name than "Iran"

[magic river]

Penguins are pirating all my software

[raven basin]

so technically 14% of the world allows piracy

[proud lance]

moving to western sahara

host the pirate bay from antartica

free cooling

[raven basin]

Also pretty sure piracy is allowed on the moon

so another planet

[magic river]

How about $400 every 3 years?

[warm anchor]

Is it penguin like this??

[tropic flame]

that's a cute penguin

[proud lance]

god you are such a weeb

[raven basin]

^

No

she would die in the freezing cold and slowly decompose while the polar bears salvage her corpse

[magic river]

Ubuntu still better

[warm anchor]

how about kotlin chan

[brave mountain]

Cute 😍

[warm anchor]

[tropic flame]

I really like the "free and open source" model but unfortunately GIMP still requires 7 steps to draw a circle and it immediately gets rasterized

[brave mountain]

Where is fedora?

[tropic flame]

😔

[warm anchor]

fedora is a guy... you seem them before

[raven basin]

How to purchase 100 pounds of Uranium-235 without getting tracked by the federal agency

[magic river]

I meant the avatar, although I'd still rather use Ubuntu than Arch

[brave mountain]

Hey

[little frost]

nyarch

[brave mountain]

I just installed fedora on my laptop

[warm anchor]

Nyarch Linux

[raven basin]

I hate anime

[magic river]

It's hard to find Fedora-tan, you just get a bunch of tan fedoras 😛

[raven basin]

I hate uwu

all that stuff

grr

GRRRR

[little frost]

@void void uwu

[brave mountain]

And noticed there is no incorrect time problem with window 11

[lament patio]

It's hard to compete with software owned by big corps, that's also a bit of an issue with MS Office

[raven basin]

Theres only one anime I'll watch

the boondocks

[magic river]

Why do they all have spears?

[void void]

u3u

[warm anchor]

ok it does exist

[magic river]

Are they magical girls?

[raven basin]

should be a picture of a 400 pound man/neckbeard

[tropic flame]

technically anime is just short for animation... so, Family Guy is anime

surprise

[raven basin]

Summer Jewish Adventure

[brave mountain]

Look a little old

[warm anchor]

I mean it fits the theme...

[brave mountain]

Did windows 11 change to UTC?

[magic river]

Like, this one is supposed to be arch but it's the same spear

[raven basin]

please stop posting these

[little frost]

omg pacman

[raven basin]

they hurt my eyes

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[tropic flame]

this design is unironically better than whatever "minimalistic" but actually bloated on the background 500MB JS framework UI Facebook uses nowadays and it's sad

[warm anchor]

@little frost

[void void]

IT'S DUKE

[raven basin]

Temple Os

[warm anchor]

also hello @void void

[little frost]

a lil duke on your belt

[void void]

HIII

[magic river]

My favorite package manager is Did Not Finish

[raven basin]

Terry Davis is my favorite person RIP

[twin lagoon]

fucking weebs

[raven basin]

Holy Java

[void void]

when and where

[magic river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNF_(software)

[raven basin]

ikr

[tropic flame]

sure but tell that to most devs nowadays

[twin lagoon]

😳

[little frost]

😳

[magic river]

Hey my material design website only has 6MB of frameworks 😄

Privacy reasons

Ok I lied, I only have 1.8MB of frameworks

Well, Google can see every site you go to since you get the fonts and such from them

Or whatever other CDN you use

And those websites can tell what other sites you've been to via timing cache lookups

This is why browsers always did separate caches for HTTPS stuff and switched to just doing per domain caches no matter what

lol literally the caddy hello world page

Kind of surprised you found that so fast though 😛

[raven basin]

All websites should be loadable on a connection speed of 1 mbps

gh patches?

github

[magic river]

Pay me $50,000/yr so I can hire an extra developer and focus purely on size and speed reduction and I'll make sure every website I work on can be used on dialup

I don't really hide any of that stuff anyway

[raven basin]

just dont use the same password and change them often?

[magic river]

Pretty sure I've said that email in this chat even

[static badge]

bragging about your email address again are you

[brave mountain]

Are you an Ubuntu developer?

[magic river]

I used to be, I think I let my membership expire since I wasn't actually doing anything

[golden gust]

I mean, issue is that web devs these days are somewhat bleh

Like, very rarely are devs crafting individual lines of html, they're creating components inside of an overly build framework

[magic river]

I even got paid to work on Ubuntu for a year 😄

[brave mountain]

How much?

I need a job 😆

[magic river]

Was a 1 year contract in 2011, $50,000

[raven basin]

sell it on ogusers and look at the rules

[magic river]

Since it was contract work that was way too low

[raven basin]

Are you poor

I make 50k vietnamese dong a year

[magic river]

$50k but I had to pay all the taxes, pay for medical insurance, etc

[raven basin]

I don't have to pay taxes

couple hundred a month

right

[magic river]

iirc if you converted it to an actual salaried position with benefits it would be like $25-30k

[raven basin]

Hospitals in the U.S. are the devils house

[magic river]

I believe when you combine what I pay and what my employer pays for health insurance it's like $400/month?

[brave mountain]

Look good

[magic river]

Yeah

I don't think it really is if you factor in all the various taxes

[worn ember]

Only 10? You lucky bastard

[magic river]

You don't pay income tax until like $8000/yr

[worn ember]

38% taxes here

[magic river]

I think that 10% is social security and medicare? Pension programs

[raven basin]

can you pay negative taxes

oh wait thats just socialism

[worn ember]

Tax returns

Well ig that's not negative

[magic river]

If you have kids unless you make like $70,000/yr you're probably paying negative income tax

[raven basin]

Rob the national reserve easy

[magic river]

Maybe it was $50,000, I did the math on this once

[worn ember]

I pay 0 tax atm

[raven basin]

Life Hack : buy a food card from a homeless drug addict to get 50% off food

[magic river]

You get a certain tax credit for each kid so if you have enough kids to offset your income tax the IRS ends up paying you

[worn ember]

Student jobs are tax free

How many kids does it take to offset the IRS sounds like a mathbook question

[upbeat falcon]

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[magic river]

Capitalism is a bit of a pyramid scheme

[warm anchor]

@worn ember ^ do your math accordingly

[magic river]

If the economy isn't growing everything collapses instead, we don't know how to do steady state

Generally for the economy to grow you need either more people in it or higher productivity

Ideally both

[worn ember]

When will it collapse

Inflation went up 8% this month

What a time to be alive

You tell me. Idk. Probably the war

[magic river]

8% YoY

[worn ember]

I live in Europe m8

Breh

[magic river]

It wasn't 8% in a month, it was 8% vs this time last year

[worn ember]

Belgium

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Swatch Internet Time: @103.32

[worn ember]

I'm pretty sure it's compared to last month

[magic river]

If it's March compared to February then Belgium is a lot worse than the US

[worn ember]

Well gas was 2.30euro/liter at one point cx

[warm anchor]

it was below $2 last year

[worn ember]

Nah we barely have any Russian gas

Like 2%

Just speculation driving up the prices

And availability i suppose

A lot of stuff we exported to Russia and vise versa

[magic river]

I thought that was like October 2020

[warm anchor]

damn my perception of time is fucked with covid

[magic river]

You know, when no one was driving because we were still worried about the second wave

But production had ramped to try to deal with people trying to go back to normal over summer

[warm anchor]

US has been doing well coz everyone either got covid or vaccine

[magic river]

In April 2020 oil was negative dollars a barrel for a couple days, things were crazy

US is still getting like 40,000 new cases a day

We just don't care anymore

[warm anchor]

32k

was 700k/day in Jan so yeah I can see why people stop caring lmao

[magic river]

50k/day was the second wave, we freaked out about that 😛

Hospitals were full then too of course, vaccine means most people get sick enough to bother testing but not sick enough to need medical care

[potent wedge]

Vaccine is meant to stop death

[warm anchor]

This is a case of US throwing money at it to hopefully fix the issue

and it kinda worked out in our favor

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetplHcM7aQ

[warm anchor]

ugh let's not go there so you dont get banned

[magic river]

Makes you significantly less likely to spread it

[warm anchor]

mandatory vaccine is already a thing before covid

applying for school or federal works requires it for decades

[magic river]

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/

December 2021 so yeah, this is all still changing as we learn more

[golden gust]

because back before those stupidly OTT frameworks took over, JQuery was basically how you did maintainable stuff

[magic river]

If you want to do JS things but don't want to use a big framework and build system jquery is the go to

[golden gust]

many of those frameworks also used jquery, afaik, but now it's being slowly removed from them

it's for making JS which can access the web page and do many things easily

it has many pretty darned nice functions for handling interacting with a web page without 200 lines of JS to do something stupid

it's basically a condom wrapper abstraction layer

[magic river]

You can't compare a news/PR page to a web app

That's a pretty standard thing to do, the name is the hash of the contents

No cache busting needed, when you change something the name changes too

Yeah

[fallen oracle]

That's just webpack, isn't it?

It chunks it to send it in smaller pieces.

[magic river]

I think these days webpack defaults to name.[hash].js instead of just [hash].js

But yeah, webpack default used to be just hash for production and just name or name + bundle counter for dev

James Burke goes hard in that video I linked btw, straight up talking about how when/if civilization collapses you either have to give up and die or make someone else do so

Talking about how even if you get to a farm you're still fucked since all the machinery to run the farm needs electricity or fuel

[lilac moon]

caddy is such a good webserver, and its even better for local dev

[ancient bolt]

Trying to decide if I should spend more money for the full M1 Max even though I have no use for the extra GPU power whatsoever and in fact the M1 Pro would be plenty for me, help me @magic river

The problem is I want the M1 Max to be able to say that I have it

[magic river]

Don't you already have an M1 Air?

[ancient bolt]

my partner does, I have a 2017 i7

[magic river]

For most programmer things the M1 is just as fast as the Pro and Max

[ancient bolt]

which gets super hot, dies quickly, has the shitty butterfly keyboard, and is slower than my partner's M1 Air

[magic river]

I want a Pro though because RAM

[ancient bolt]

yeah I can split the difference and get the 24 core GPU M1 Max and still have the 64gb of memory

which I may do

[spring forge]

ive officially fallen in love with velocity

[ancient bolt]

but at that point the full M1 Max is only $200 more...

[magic river]

lol

[ancient bolt]

hence my problem

[magic river]

More RAM means more power usage

[spring forge]

the m1s have very good performance and good thermals

[magic river]

More GPU does too, I doubt they can power it down entirely

[ancient bolt]

so it might not last as long as my work M1 Pro but it'll still last well over twice as long as my current machine, at least

[shrewd portal]

M1 max lets you go to 3 display

[ancient bolt]

oh you can't do that with pro?

[magic river]

For me it's M1 Max or siding for my house so... 😛

[ancient bolt]

i guess that makes sense

[ancient bolt]

so how much storage are you getting? 😄

My affirm payment on the bed / mattress is finishing up so I'm gonna take that monthly payment and shift it to a new macbook because I'm a good american who always stays in debt

[magic river]

M1 Pro is 2 6K 60Hz 10-bit displays, M1 Max is 3 of them plus 1 at 4K

[ancient bolt]

Well I had considered getting a Mac Studio, retiring my linux desktop and only using it for windows gaming. But with how powerful the M1 Pro/Max is I'm thinking I can just have my macbook be my primary development machine, with a dock setup in my office

[magic river]

They were talking about 3 Pro Display XDRs plus a 4K TV so you can do coloring work then view it on a regular TV to see how it'll look for consumers

[ancient bolt]

a big powerful linux development machine seems less and less useful when I can get insane performance and portability / battery

[magic river]

No one is going to do that 😛

Hey you can run Linux on the M1 😄

Probably go with a Mini though

[ancient bolt]

kind of goes against the point of buying a mac imo lol

[golden gust]

I mean, in the scheme of things, these laptops are probably gonna last you until they're out of support

so, it's not like throwing in the extra cash for the faster chip is gonna lengthen the lifespan of the thing

[ancient bolt]

they won't last any less time than my desktop will, honestly

[magic river]

I used a 2011 MBP until 2017 when I switched to a 2015 MBP which I used until 2020

[golden gust]

so, it's like, is the $200 extra bucks worth it for the fact that it has "Max" next to it and a bit more performance which you're probs not gonna use all for the badge

[ancient bolt]

I mean that 5950x is a little wasted on windows gaming, but last night I updated my arch machine and it broke my internet driver soooo I'm kind of ready to just be done

[magic river]

Now I'm tempted about once a month to replace my 2020 XPS with a 14" MBP with M1 Pro 😄

[golden gust]

Yea, linux is great until your time is worth money 😄

[ancient bolt]

$200 extra for potentially being able to support stuff in the future I don't necessary need now?

that's my thinking right now

[magic river]

My time is worth lots of money but I still have Linux on my XPS

Also my battery is at 74% of its rated capacity after 2 years 😦

[golden gust]

one area of linux which sucks is power management

[ancient bolt]

I've used linux for so long it'll feel wrong to say I only use windows and macos

but what used to be fun tinkering with it is no longer that

for me, that is

[golden gust]

like, they don't have the OEM shit which does the stuff to lenghthen the battery life, etc

[magic river]

Wasn't because of power management, was because I ran it dead at least once a day by using it in bed and not having a charger set up for it

[golden gust]

oh, that'll do it too

[magic river]

Battery life was the same or better vs Windows 10 when I got it

[ancient bolt]

I've played with windows, linux and macos VMs using parallels on my work M1 Pro and honestly when it's full screen the VMs felt indistinguishable from the real deal

[golden gust]

last I knew most laptop manfs have software magic to try to keep the battery for longer, but, ofc doesn't help against you doing one of the most cruel things to it

[ancient bolt]

I remember when apple announced the M1 lots of people were saying virtualization was going to be impossible for some reason

[magic river]

I spent like 9 months killing the battery down to 0 every day before I rigged up an extension cord and got a USB-C charger that could put out enough power to keep it charged while Twitch was destroying my CPU

[ancient bolt]

turns out it's ridiculously good at virtualization

[magic river]

People didn't want virtualization, they wanted x86 Windows

Or their x86 docker images

[ancient bolt]

lol

was able to run every x86 windows program flawlessly in the parallels VM through Windows on Arm emulation

something something inception

like I wouldn't use it to edit video but for shit like my mom needing Microsoft Publisher, and it not being available for macOS, it was a near flawless solution

[golden gust]

I mean, it's interesting because apple basically jolted a kick up the arm bandwagon

[magic river]

What about if you need to do a build or debug your app on Windows?

[ancient bolt]

That was what I used it for on my work machine

[golden gust]

I know that it was already growing, but, I think apple kinda julted a bit more life into it

[magic river]

That used to be almost zero overhead, now you have the emulation penalty

The M1 is generally enough of a perf improvement for it to be a wash but getting the same performance with a new machine doesn't feel fun

[ancient bolt]

it worked fine, a little slower than normal but my primary development was still in macos, I didn't need it to be a full performance environment

[golden gust]

I mean, you win some, you lose some

[ancient bolt]

my bank account is definitely gonna lose some after tonight

[golden gust]

unless you're spending hours upon hours testing and debugging against a noticable hit, it's like, 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

Sure, just saying, people complaining about losing easy virtualization due to the ARM switch have a point

[ancient bolt]

I mean, depends on what you're needing to do. At work if you need to do primary work in a windows environment you'd also get a windows machine for it

[magic river]

I don't even have 64GB of RAM in my desktop, btw

[proud lance]

weak

[ancient bolt]

I have 128GB, only gone more than 64 a couple times, not worth it except for the performance of quad channel

[magic river]

I generally only use 12-16GB when working on my laptop but sometimes I go over so I got 32GB

[ancient bolt]

and again, downgrading this machine to be a windows gaming-only machine will be a major waste of it's potential lol

[magic river]

And my desktop does fuck all compared to my laptop, it runs jellyfin and chat apps and games and such

It also has 32GB, it never goes over 16GB afaik except when running a minecraft modpack 😄

[golden gust]

I love my desktop for power and such, but, I do kinda miss the joys of just taking my laptop to stupid places while doing other stuff

[magic river]

I also make my desktop run some docker stuff for work sometimes

If I need to test how something runs over more than a 15 minute timespan I put it on there

[golden gust]

I think when I'm in a position to upgrade, am honestly considering just going the dock route

[ancient bolt]

That's why I'm thinking of making this M1 be my primary computer, for both desktop and mobile. It'll be nice to not have to jump between multiple devices and keep shit in sync, but also the M1 is plenty powerful to be able to rival my 5950x for the kind of stuff I use it for

[golden gust]

Yea, that's what I like about the M1 is that it looks like finally there is a laptop which will last all day and is actually suitable for docking as a primary machine for my general usecase

[magic river]

If you're doing a lot of compiling a 5950X is like twice as fast

Assuming your build can run in parallel and is big enough to be that parallel

[ancient bolt]

I don't compile big enough projects for that to be an issue

[golden gust]

am also kinda getting into IJs remote stuff, tbqh

[ancient bolt]

and at that point I'm weighing the potential compilation performance gains against the benefits of being mobile

[golden gust]

^^

[magic river]

Oh yeah I got on the laptop-only train in 2011

[ancient bolt]

that would be something cool to look in to, using my desktop as a server for jetbrain's new remote tech

[magic river]

My desktops since then have only been for games and crap

[ancient bolt]

can you run 2 4k displays off a single thunderbolt 4 cable daisychained?

[magic river]

That's up to the monitor

[ancient bolt]

not sure what the bandwidth requirements are

[magic river]

Does it have an output port?

It wouldn't be thunderbolt, it would be DP-Alt Mode

But TB4 spec requires support for DP-Alt afaik

[ancient bolt]

will have to check, I've been using it reliably through thunderbolt for a while now, not sure if it has an output

[magic river]

Using the desktop as my own "cloud" setup for things like that is why I think my next desktop is still going to be an Intel CPU

That way I can put Linux on it, leave the iGPU with Linux for setup and troubleshooting, and give the dedicated GPU to a Windows VM

[golden gust]

my honest dream setup right now is to have an M1 laptop and a dock and to have some other machine running PCI passthrough for a GPU for a windows VM and hosting other crap like plex on there, etc

[magic river]

lol, don't steal my idea

I forgot about Plex though, that's another reason to need the iGPU

Or probably still jellyfin in my case

[golden gust]

I've semi been falling out of love with plex over the years, but, I've not been annoyed enough yet to drop it

[magic river]

Oh hey that's the video youtube keeps trying to get me to watch

Someone plugged a GPU into the Steam Deck's M.2 slot

[ancient bolt]

oh I see, so you connect the monitor to your computer using a thunderbolt cable, which is using DP, and then daisychain from one monitor to the other using standard DP

[magic river]

Yeah

Or get an MST hub/switch/whatever if your monitors don't support that, it'll handle that part and just give you two ports to use

[ancient bolt]

oh thunderbolt 3 can daisychain

seems like without requiring DP

[magic river]

It can but I don't think it can carry two 4K streams

[ancient bolt]

I see

[magic river]

Not sure though

Ok, MBP purchase delayed again, gotta buy a Pixel 6a on May 11

[ancient bolt]

biggest problem with USB-C, Thunderbot, USB 3, etc is there's no easy way to know what is compatible with what

so many version numbers

and conflicting information

[magic river]

HDMI and DP aren't any better, really

Well, USB-C is worse since it can do more so more combinations but you also can't tell what those can do just by the plug

And the differences are pretty major

[ancient bolt]

and on all of them the cables matter but store listings are extremely unreliable

[magic river]

I think TB4 simplifies things at least a bit

[ancient bolt]

assuming the cable is actually standards compliant

[magic river]

You still have confusion over power delivery but I'm pretty sure TB4 requires all the optional parts of the USB spec

And it can do cables twice as long as TB3 could without having to switch to fiber

[ancient bolt]

okay yeah something like this would be a lot simpler than trying to find specific compatible monitors https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0928W3XHD

[magic river]

Less shit to have to plug in to your laptop too

One cable

[ancient bolt]

so I could move my current monitors over for the macos setup and get an ultrawide for gaming

that would be cool

gonna need another desk...

[magic river]

I don't do external monitors but I still have a dock so I can get USB-A ports, ethernet, and power all in one

Dock was super overkill for that though, it can do 2 4K monitors, literally never connected one to it

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, that's the convenience factor which they give which at least for me, on paper, looks worth it

a single cable to deal with ethernet, your displays, traditional USB mouse, etc

(I do kinda wish I'd gone for the magic touchpad instead of the mouse years ago, tbqh)

[magic river]

I have another "dock" that is like half the size and a quarter of the weight (seriously the the on my desk is an aluminum block) that goes in my backpack, it can do USB-A ports, power, and ethernet too

I probably should have just picked up two of those

[ancient bolt]

imo this is the best mouse for macos https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-master-3.html

[magic river]

Why is this not a G Pro Wireless?

[ancient bolt]

cause I don't use a gaming mouse for macos

[magic river]

Wait I thought they made a white one of these

[ancient bolt]

i wish apple sold just the touchid module instead of only selling it with the magic keyboard

[magic river]

Ah it's the Pro X

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/pro-x-superlight-wireless-mouse.910-005940.html

[golden gust]

what's battery life like?

[ancient bolt]

mx master 3 has the gesture button and horizontal scrolling, that's why I use it for macos

[golden gust]

I mean, i guess it doesn't matter too much in a sense, as it's not like they pulled an apple...

[ancient bolt]

gesture button is essential

[magic river]

Constant motion: 70h

[golden gust]

was more wondering real world

[magic river]

Well, it depends on how much you're mousing 😛

[golden gust]

cos, I can go for like a month or two without charging my keyboard and my mouse when I was using it lasted a good few weeks

downfall with apples mouse is that it sucks for anything which isn't typical computing

like, as soon as you open a game, you really just wanna grab a standard PC mouse at the very least

[magic river]

Professional gamer probably has to charge every 10-14 days, programmer might only need it like every couple months

[ancient bolt]

do y'all bother with applecare?

I always buy it, and have never used it

[golden gust]

nah, but I've always repaired my own shit

[ancient bolt]

yeah I replaced the USB-C ports on my 2017 macbook

some things are a lot harder to repair now though

yay right to repair not existing

[magic river]

I don't have one of these, just been looking at it

I didn't do applecare in the past since if something is going to break it's usually in the beginning and I didn't want to worry about voiding my warranty by upgrading the SSD or RAM

[ancient bolt]

the battery on my mx master 3 lasts way longer than my g pro wireless

[magic river]

But since now you can't do any of that...

[ancient bolt]

I think the gaming mouse has a higher polling rate, which uses more battery

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, that's my thing is that you get like a year warranty by default, at least over here

[magic river]

1. you can turn that down, at least in Windows
2. mouse lag drives me nuts

Also is it just me or is Discord extra shit lately?

[golden gust]

past that, most of what's gonna go is the stupid shit, like a HDD, etc

[ancient bolt]

like $400 for a 3 year warranty is a bit oof

[magic river]

My desktop and laptop the typing latency in Discord seems really bad and half my messages it looks like it's going to fail to send

[golden gust]

It's been okay for me

Like, now that you say it I can see something but it's mostly impercivable

[magic river]

Started around the same time the upgrade killed my Discord install on desktop

At first I figured it was just still building up avatar caches and shit so was slow due to people talking and being poorly designed

[ancient bolt]

gonna do applecare again just because I'm paranoid about dropping my machine and just ruining it. but I always feel like such a chump (I am)

[magic river]

But then it kept happening and I realized my laptop was doing it too although not as bad

applecare would have a lot more value to me if I didn't have to drive 100 miles to get to a store

[golden gust]

I mean, it's the sods law of it all

[ancient bolt]

oof

[golden gust]

if you don't have it, you're gonna fuck it up, lol

[silver nexus]

I notice it more on my laptop, but that might be because I use it more at school, and they do a really bad job of trying to block discord...

[golden gust]

or, at least, that was always my concern around stuff like extra protections, etc; but, I mostly take care of my shit, and when stuff does go sideways I generally don't wanna fuck around with a rando company for it

[ancient bolt]

spend $400 more for the guarantee nothing will ever happen lol

[golden gust]

Like, I've replaced power jacks on laptops, USB ports on phones, screens, etc, etc

[magic river]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/klvm3i/battery_life_on_the_logitech_gpw_superlight_is/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Battery Life on the Logitech GPW Superlight is Insane : MouseReview - 20 comments, 32 points - mousepro, 1y ago

[magic river]

18 days with heavy use and 1000Hz polling rate

[golden gust]

doesn't seem all that bad but idk how polling rates go

Like, most of my gaming thse days is whiching I could commit to factorio and xplane 😄

[magic river]

1000Hz is more than you need 😛

Although I think it can go up to 15,000

I think 500Hz is good enough, 1000Hz should be plenty

[golden gust]

yea, just really wasn't sure if it could go lower of if it would be noticable, etc

2 weeks doesn't seem too bad, the fact that you can actually plug it in is ofc a win, kinda shame that the battery isn't bigger but, i guess for most people that's not a concern

[magic river]

Wait isn't it 15,000 dpi?

Now I'm all mixed up, it's too late to do spec comparisons 😛

I don't have a wireless mouse or keyboard TBH, kind of don't want one

And my current mouse is heavy and has weighted inserts to make it heavier

So the Pro X superlight would be a major change

[golden gust]

I have the wireless magic keyboard with a numpad, I honestly thought I was ordering the wired one but apparently not; I did get a magic mouse but honestly, I ended up switching to a proper mouse for gaming and testing stuff in MC far too often that I kept forgetting to switch back to the magic mouse and stopped caring to do so

[magic river]

I think this is the one I have now https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-hero-gaming-mouse.910-005469.html

Or an earlier variant of it, looks identical but I think the logo is just light on or off, no RGB

Pretty sure that reddit dude and me were talking about DPI, not Hz

And the MX Master 3 Den linked is 1000 DPI, for comparison

[proud lance]

theres someone in my non-minecraft discord servers

called paperchan

and I hate it

[golden gust]

I hate you

you hate me

[proud lance]

no I like you

[golden gust]

let's all go and kill barney

with a baseball bat, and a 4 by 4

no more purple dinosaur

[warm anchor]

You actually seem it in the wild?

[proud lance]

you told me how to fix my garbage collection issue a year or two back, I would never hate you

[proud lance]

just the name

[warm anchor]

[proud lance]

look what you have rought

[warm anchor]

I’d hate that too

D0wd

[proud lance]

EterNity, why cant you be normal

[warm anchor]

Wdym I am pretty normal

[proud lance]

I didn't realize till just now

actually nvm

that wasn't in response to that

lmao

that was separate thought

and I was like nvm

I thought I was reading your name wrong this entire time

[daring owl]

is making private forks allowed or is there a reason why u cant make forked repos private in github

[vernal moth]

its obviously not in the spirit of open source

and many licenses force you to make your changes public

[golden gust]

then theres the various fun caveats where all forks share the same git backing 'folder'

[proud lance]

use a CI to your private repo

ezpz

[daring owl]

only if you release the jar publicly tho right?

[vernal moth]

depends on the license 🤷‍♀️

[daring owl]

pufferfish!

[spring forge]

gnu is amazing

the best

of the best

[daring owl]

tbh 1.17 pufferfish has only minor changes

or is it an airplane fork idk

[spring forge]

i assume that is some sort of paper fork

i only keep track of the main ones

[daring owl]

its a fork of airplane

[spring forge]

yeah sounds right

[daring owl]

pufferfish is quite popular among production servers

[warm anchor]

Technically it’s a fork of paper on 1.18

[daring owl]

i dont use 1.18

[warm anchor]

[daring owl]

performance + updating is unfun

[spring forge]

i just use my own fork that i setup

[daring owl]

whats ur server

[spring forge]

idk if i can send links in here

[warm anchor]

Polar the owner of Hypickle

[spring forge]

sent in dms though

yeah obviously

[daring owl]

@spring forge its offline

[spring forge]

might be tcpshield having issues again ugh

[daring owl]

velocity config i think

[spring forge]

i didnt put my velocity into prod

[daring owl]

or something

idk

[spring forge]

but the servers whitelisted rn anyways because its closed

[spring forge]

yeah

[daring owl]

bungeecord?

[spring forge]

bungee rn

[daring owl]

i need every bit of performance i can get xd

[spring forge]

yo W

is that rn or

[daring owl]

rn

[spring forge]

the poor guy on 1.4k ms though

😭

[spring forge]

nice

whats your daily average

[daring owl]

well ig 48.9 mean

thats a 24 period

[spring forge]

is that grafana

👀

[daring owl]

yes

[spring forge]

love that

[daring owl]

here is 7d

[spring forge]

id use it to track my player counts but i havent been able to figure out what i need to use

so i just use it to track server status

[daring owl]

unified metrics-> promethius-> garfana

[warm anchor]

@lavish compass

Unified metric based

[lavish compass]

[daring owl]

dev for unifiedmetric or smthing

[lavish compass]

yes

[daring owl]

epic

[warm anchor]

[spring forge]

https://grafana.com/grafana/dashboards/14017 this i assume

[lavish compass]

that's for the old version

[spring forge]

oh

0.3x?

[lavish compass]

https://docs.cubxity.dev

updated docs are here

[spring forge]

okie

nice docs frontend

[daring owl]

bloom.host has a nice guide

its very simplified

but works ok

[spring forge]

i already set one up for system monitoring so

cant be much different

[daring owl]

yea

[unreal pike]

is it true that the TAB dev (NEZNAMY) gets shit on constantly here?

[daring owl]

Can you license your patches under a license of your choosing

[daring owl]

idk plugin works well for me and is used on a number of large servers without issues

[golden gust]

I mean, speak to a lawyer

[vernal moth]

🤷‍♀️

[golden gust]

general advice is gonna be that you've gotta respect the existing license of the codebase you're tweaking

but, as for how that applies to patches, god knows

[vernal moth]

we allow GPL cause thats bukkit and MIT cause thats more permissive

[golden gust]

(I mean, any competent lawyer is gonna tell you to not touch it at all 😄 )

[warm anchor]

Consult a lawyer in your case

If you want to be extra sure

[daring owl]

idrc that much

arent patches kinda mojangs

or like partly idk

[golden gust]

I mean, they contain code we write

[daring owl]

yea idk

[golden gust]

just, they also include a bit of mojang code but that's potentially arguably fair use

[warm anchor]

Not sure but I don’t think that’s a proper topic here… asking people if they are shitted on at any location isn’t really nice

[daring owl]

do u guys enforce stuff if its private projects not being sold

[golden gust]

if it's just a private fork, who cares

[daring owl]

what abt people selling paper forks

[golden gust]

shit on consistently here

Not really

Like, people have had comments about his project like literally ANY project out there

[daring owl]

not like im comeptent enough to do that but like cuisoity

paper is just like a hobby for u guys right

[warm anchor]

Paper is a way of lyfe™️

[daring owl]

*pufferfish

[golden gust]

Like, practically every update, TAB breaks some specific things due to how it hooks in

[spring forge]

it works though

most of the time that is

[golden gust]

is it really that big of a deal if you're suffering from the specific symtoms that an outdated tab plugin can cause that we ask people if they have that plugin, given how common it is?

We used to do the exact same with FAWE when it was causing world corruption issues left and right; either add logic to fail gracefully in such cases or people are gonna ask if you've got it installed

[spring forge]

FAWE still causes some issues but

its gotten a bit better

[daring owl]

fawe is interesting. its like so so much better than we for large edits but its also fawe

[spring forge]

still better than asyncworldedit

[warm anchor]

It’s like rolling a dice

Each time you do a large paste before

[daring owl]

i have scheduled large pastes every 2hr and have never had an issue

[warm anchor]

Good for you

[daring owl]

just saying

[daring owl]

all the fancy emoji lol

very nice

[warm anchor]

Not using an emoji for 5 minute challenge. I will fail every time @daring owl

[daring owl]

xd

Does doing ./gradlew applypatches revert to no patches then apply patches or just apply patches to current state

[wet storm]

Apply patches which are rebuilt before

[daring owl]

so if you delete a patch ./gradlew applypatches would make that change

[wet storm]

If you have some changes which you didn't rebuild and do apply patches, it will erase them

[wet storm]

Yes

[daring owl]

im removing a patch in my fork

like from what i forked

[unreal pike]

which tag looks better

[daring owl]

&cᴏᴡɴᴇʀ

@unreal pike

[spring forge]

imo bottom because top is too much

[unreal pike]

thats a cool font

is that superscript?

[warm anchor]

Owner rank is just ego stroke don’t @ me

I prefer “the dude who got stuck paying bills”

[ashen cliff]

Just make the owner rank: Šef

_It's still funny to me how quickly people steal stuff from us. We stopped calling ourself owners and just decided to use Šef (translated: Boss). Like not even a week passed, 3 servers already did that and one Discord server owner that decided it was their original idea. _

[warm anchor]

It’s like those damn resource packs. Lots of copycats / thief

[ashen cliff]

We steal the 2b2t void "lobby", multiple SLO servers copy it, figure out that it lags the client too much.
And our spawns keep getting stolen, we get a shitty apology and they change the spawn a bit... legit just changed the wood color with WE and called it a day.

[warm anchor]

[vernal moth]

I would have two ranks on my server, admin and mod

of course internally more fine grained permissions, but players dont need to know that

[daring owl]

cant u have some sort of anti world downloader

[daring owl]

its gets kinda messy to keep track tho

ive got like chatmod->mod->supermod-> dev tag/all perms-> admin tag/all perms

[foggy veldt]

You mean you guys don’t have &4&l&k!!!!&b&lOwner&4&l&k!!!! rank?

[vernal moth]

why does your players need to know what kinda mod they dealing with

they need to respect all anyways

same with dev vs admin, whats the difference?

idk, maybe am just old fashioned

[vernal moth]

you cant prevent world downloading, you can suggest to that one world downloading mod to not allow that on your server

[foggy veldt]

I think dev ranks are ego boost, I understand staff ranks but devs never have to interact with players in most cases

[void void]

Imagine not having twenty different staff ranks

Smh my head

[warm anchor]

Whole heartily agree.

Most server with a billion rank is really just to stroke egos

[proud lance]

we had mod tiers because I wanted some people to be able to change time and weather but not ban/kick

didn't want people going to weather mods for bans

[warm anchor]

Ban should be handled with a ticket bot on discord

[foggy veldt]

Do servers still use forums or is it all discord now

[proud lance]

most have moved to discord

[warm anchor]

Some do but discord is attracting more younger kids

[proud lance]

discord can do most of what forums were for

[warm anchor]

Forum is still far getter in keeping topics and ease of searching history

[proud lance]

not so much for gaming communities as much anymore

I haven't seen a forum for a community in a while

[vernal moth]

discord is for real time, forums are a knowledge database

[proud lance]

ye

[vernal moth]

knowledge in discord is just lost

[foggy veldt]

Forum channels soon tm

[warm anchor]

Say if I run tournament weekly. Forum is far better at keeping records

[foggy veldt]

They actually don’t look bad much better than threads

[proud lance]

they sorta tried to do that with threads

but discord threads are gross

[daring owl]

red name in tab is the extent of my admin rank

[warm anchor]

Discord is pushing out community webpages

[vernal moth]

the amount of times I google a plugin question and find a forum thread where I answered that exact question is insane

[daring owl]

fr

[foggy veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/222197033908436994/964002707256012810/unknown.png yea

[daring owl]

being indexed by google is nice tho

[vernal moth]

if its not indexed by google its worthless

[warm anchor]

Or you have an obscure situation or cursed setup and encounter an oddball issue and someone somewhere from 5 years ago has same issue. Instant friend

[vernal moth]

github discussion just recently started showing up in google

[ashen cliff]

Not really. Since it can easily be bypassed.

[viral hornet]

Does anyone know of any tools/a way I could edit (possibly) thousands of playerdata files without doing them one by one? 😬

[ashen cliff]

NodeJS.

[viral hornet]

I mean that's not a bad idea

I was more looking for something preexisting heh

[golden gust]

not really aware of anything preexisting, tbqh

[ashen cliff]

I did it with NodeJS last time, was a bit of a pain, due to use somehow having old and new user data, but was worth the time.

[golden gust]

big thing is that the need to do that kinda stuff is rare enough that nobody really cares to coming up with the tooling to do it, writing a format to deal with it, etc

theres probs some niche tool somewhere on GH which nobody knows about hiding away

[viral hornet]

Can I edit playerdata files whilst players are on the server? Alternative I'm thinkin is to remove this tag on login in a plugin

[golden gust]

er, I mean, if you edit it while they're in play, then no

if you do it before they're logged in, yes

[viral hornet]

Right, so it would have to run as they're logging in

[ashen cliff]

What kind of cursed stuff are you even trying to do?

[golden gust]

it's camm

am not sure it's safe to ask

[viral hornet]

Suck my dick cat

But you're also correct

[golden gust]

don't threaten me with a good time

[viral hornet]

Nah, something jank has happened with a plugin (for some time) and has added a MaxAirSupply tag to ✨ every ✨ player.

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oroEOMskgEI

[viral hornet]

So everyone only has 20 ticks of air when they go underwater lmao

So I need to remove that, without editing every file manually

[golden gust]

that not exposed in the API?

[ashen cliff]

You misspelled NMS.

[warm anchor]

The obv solution is to hire a kid to edit every file manually

[golden gust]

lol

bio robots go brr

[viral hornet]

my dark humour prevents me from answering that eternity

[golden gust]

But, yea, i mean, ez option, PlayerJoinEvent, setMaximumAir to 300

[warm anchor]

You are hired!

[ashen cliff]

And now you have to keep that plugin forever.

[viral hornet]

Well I have a plugin that increases amount of air a player has depending on x y etc, I'm not sure why it randomly one day stopped working, but I would rather remove the tag that's there over setting it higher

[golden gust]

any competent server will have some rando plugin which just does their main stuff and a bunch of other random patch fixes on player join

[viral hornet]

however that is a good option

[warm anchor]

Nah if someone haven’t login for a month, chance of someone coming back is probably small

[viral hornet]

no way

I literally had someone join a night or two ago that last played 4 years ago haha

they always come crawling back

[warm anchor]

Cat is exposing whatever server he helped in the past

[ashen cliff]

MFW we have players from 3 years ago joining and asking where their builds are.

[golden gust]

Hey, desperate times call for desperate measures

[viral hornet]

This annoys me when it happens haha

Like bruh, we put announcements everywhere we could pls

Alright bottleo time xx

ty for the input

[ashen cliff]

I mean, we just tell them to play on Vanilla, since that never resets... but they need to be in crippling debt to play for some reason.

[marble lark]

that's something he'd enjoy

[silk nexus]

hello. when i download the paper jar off of the website and try to use that jar to code plugins it doesnt work
anyone know why?

[void void]

panda

[wet storm]

What do you actually do with it? To code plugins you need either maven or gradle and declare dependency for paper api as described in paper website "API usage"

https://papermc.io/using-the-api

[wheat fiber]

how do you deploying your servers? docker, tmux, screen or something else?
how do you manage your configs for server/plugins? ftp, ssh, git or something else?

[ashen cliff]

Personal shitposting server, screen and sftp + git.

[wheat fiber]

shitposting server?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

[vernal moth]

Docker ftw

Because then I can't fuck shit up

Because if I do, I just press deploy again

[wheat fiber]

what about configs? how do you manage them?

[vernal moth]

In the docker file

Or well, in a repo and I add them to the file

[wet storm]

Imagine using kubernetes for deploying a network of minecraft servers and ansible for configs

[mossy vessel]

A common practice

[wet storm]

Devops and administration were always these spheres which I afraid of, it looks very complex

[ashen cliff]

You mean, overcomplicating stuff just to make it look fancy and/or because someone else is doing it?

[vernal moth]

I still refuse to personally touch kubernetes

Altho I do deploy using Kube at work, it's just abstracted away from me using a maven plugin

[golden gust]

Thing is that if you're deploying with docker, etc, you specifically need to cater towards that

for stuff like minigame servers, if you've got the correct setup, it ofc makes a lot of sense to do it properly

for your average server, docker is probs gonna cause more headaches than it solves outside of the "lazy" way of doing it

[vernal moth]

Idk, I value stuff like reproducability and having ref logs

I would use docker even for a simple smp

[golden gust]

big thing with most MC setups is that you're literally just mounting a flat pack as like, is

[twin lagoon]

kubernetes

[worn ember]

me running SQL servers on my main machine

Would've indeed made more sense to throw that in a container

[ashen cliff]

At least it's not M$ SQL Server.

[golden gust]

copying over partition tables and using btrfs replace because a HDD on the ESXi machine he manges disappeared

okay, and, ubuntu can suck a toe

[ashen cliff]

Not using EXT4 moment.

[golden gust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/nwoq2p/ubuntu_stuck_in_the_view_mode_how_do_i_close_it/