general

[left swift]

robo is the meanest bot i know

always comes in here smelling like cotton candy

[potent wedge]

I made an IRC but python doesn't let you get input and print output at the same time without the funny

And I'm not sure if it works

[spiral robin]

@viral hornet daddy?

[stuck lynx]

Guess who had that idea too
(And yes, I also use flask)

[viral hornet]

🥺

[magic river]

lol, this is what firefox suggests when I type in youtube.com

Not sure why the NFT one shows up, the others are probably because I go to them so much

[sonic imp]

Does anyone know cores with support for experimental worlds?
at 1.17

[void void]

@ancient stream Hey, it's icewaffles - my account isn't deleted. Could you friend me back?

[wise lion]

Got da Hot Pocket on me

[primal solar]

Which is better waterfall or bungee, by speed and developer aspects

[mental meadow]

velocity

Velocity >>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterfall > Bungee

[primal solar]

Thank you

Why are there lesser velocity plugins btw

[primal solar]

Is this gonna grow everytime I come back

[mental meadow]

Because Velocity is still new compared to Bungee

[twin lagoon]

@mental meadow @untold meadow

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon BEST mcieahielaehaleahela

[left swift]

which one is Madison beer in that video

[neat oyster]

E

[glass crag]

evelynn with the pink hair/pink circle glasses

[meager dawn]

on today's episode of being preoccupied with whether or not i could, the command arguments expression! :)

command /hello:
  trigger:
    send raw command arguments to the server console

:)

[summer rivet]

how do i change the session server?

[worn crest]

Didn't she made a concert in Frankfurt yesterday 🤔

[meager dawn]

the decompilation of this code is this abomination:

[vernal moth]

what are the convert methods doing?

[meager dawn]

well because the type coercion in byteskript is terrible all the expressions just accept Objects

so the convert method checks all the registered converters to try and convert the input type into the type the expression wants

[vernal moth]

so its prolly dog slow

😄

[meager dawn]

very possible !

i don't actually need to cast it to the type idk why i'm doing that

[vernal moth]

but looks fun

[primal solar]

Blue is here

[meager dawn]

o/

[vernal moth]

I wonder how much the JIT optimizes that tbh

[meager dawn]

i mean tbf after a while i'd assume it could pick up on the converter always just using that one lambda

[vernal moth]

yeah idk if it can skip that much code

[meager dawn]

i wonder if i can get it to tell me

[vernal moth]

theres this tool

to look at what the jit does

https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/jitwatch

never used it but maybe its fun to look at that

[meager dawn]

java: write once, run anywhere
javafx:

and they're all 35 MB

[vernal moth]

javafx is not packaged with the jre anymore so thats what you gotta do

[meager dawn]

yeah that really bothered me when i was working with it

[torn flare]

They've made an atlas of /r/place with all the things labelled https://place-atlas.stefanocoding.me/

[meager dawn]

but i think if you strip all the unnecessary styles you can get it down to like 11MB of overhead

hm, strange

the jvm is not generating the log

i think i'm just using the wrong Xlog parameters D:

[pallid edge]

Is there anything better than multimc?

I heard about some fork but I completely forgot its name

[vernal moth]

official client ftw

[solid moth]

Hello, I have recently found a fork of paper and even though I am very sceptical of any fork that promises performance, I have to say that I am quite interested in the top-listed feature. I am talking about the fork called "pufferfish" and I am especially interested in the sentry.io integration, because that would be quite handy in a production environment. I haven't had time to try this out but maybe someone here has taken a look at it and can hopefully tell me if its just another super (un)stable fork of a fork of a fork of a fork, or if it actually lives up to its promises. Thx

[vague lagoon]

is good

[vernal moth]

people build sentry integrations that monitor the server into plugins before, dont really need a fork for that

but ye, pufferfish is reputable

[vague lagoon]

dev is in here iirc

[vernal moth]

we work together with kevin

[solid moth]

Alright, thx for the info. Have a great day :D

[mint meadow]

What is the difference between paper and velocity?

[quick obsidian]

paper is ran on each individual server, velocity is a proxy to link servers together (like bungeecord)

[mint meadow]

so like waterfall?

[vernal moth]

but better

[mint meadow]

ok

[vernal moth]

velocity is everything the community learned from waterfall, without the legacy bungeecord stuff

[mint meadow]

so i should use it for server linking

[mental meadow]

In theory yes

[vernal moth]

it should be preferred over waterfall if possible, yes

[mint meadow]

Thanks

[mental meadow]

In praxis because it is relatively new there are not as many plugins out for it compared to bungee/waterfall, so if you rely on something specific you might need to check that before

[solid moth]

waterfall plugins dont work on velocity right?

[mental meadow]

no

[solid moth]

hmm

i dont feel like redoing all my stuff now

[mental meadow]

there have been tries to write a compatibility service (phoenix616' snap for example) but there is no telling if they work well for everything

[vernal moth]

the popular plugins have velocity versions tho

[solid moth]

true

Maybe some day ill do it

[meager dawn]

it inlines or compiles basically all of it

[mental meadow]

I'm still waiting for a good tab plugin for velocity

[solid moth]

does plib work on Velocity?

[mental meadow]

plib?

[solid moth]

protocollib

sorry im used to abbreviating it

[vernal moth]

oh thats good news

[true canyon]

Plib is the sound a fish makes when it quickly sticks its tongue out.

[solid moth]

xDD

[mental meadow]

does protocollib work on bungee?

[prime coral]

no

[meager dawn]

green: inlined, red: compiled, blue: intrinsic / branch prediction

[hexed dragon]

Episode 2 of Moon Knight today.

[ashen nacelle]

ZGC is definitely worth it and seems miles better than G1GC.
since swithing my GC over i have noticed a much smaller footprint and have seen unsused ram get released.

[twin lagoon]

no

[worn crest]

Protocolize is for bungee/velo

[meager dawn]

how does it compare with shenandoah?

[ashen nacelle]

and my TPS has been pretty stready now

[twin lagoon]

it's unlikely for GC to touch your TPS 90% of the time

[twin lagoon]

uses more memory, in theory better though

[ashen nacelle]

with G1GC i was dropping to 2TPS

[twin lagoon]

then you have had major old gen garbage collection issues

such issues will re-appear with zgc

you can't get rid of old gen by switching garbage collectors

[ashen nacelle]

my server wanst even lasting an hour before crashing on G1GC

[twin lagoon]

you're not fixing the root issue if you have old gen

[ashen nacelle]

now on ZGC it has ran all night with no issues

[twin lagoon]

you have a severe memory leak if you had that issue with G1GC

or you simply weren't allocaitng enough memory

[ashen nacelle]

i allocated 32GB of ram

[twin lagoon]

then you have a severe memory leak

[ashen nacelle]

there was a big memoryleak

[twin lagoon]

yes and switching garbage collectors won't fix that

[meager dawn]

> has memory leak
> allocates more ram

problem solved ?

[ashen nacelle]

however when I switched to ZGC the meory leak somehow went away

[twin lagoon]

it's not away

you will inevitably get the same issue

ZGC will initially look promising but even the guy who wrote the ZGC minecraft article switched away from it

[solid moth]

The only real way to fix a memory leak is to setup a scheduled restart :)

[twin lagoon]

to be fair if it's a memory leak that only occurs after 24 hours that would be my solution

[meager dawn]

the only real way to fix a memory leak is to fix the code :)

[ashen nacelle]

before the server couldnt last an hour before maxxing out memory and crashing

[twin lagoon]

then diagnose the issue

do a heapdump, find out what the leak is, fix the leak

[ashen nacelle]

found the leak though

[meager dawn]

and then you gave it 32 gigabytes of ram and now it can go all night without maxxing out memory and crashing

[ashen nacelle]

it was Citizens

however the dev doesnt seem to believe so

[twin lagoon]

@mental meadow had a similar issue with citizens leaking memory

dunno what she did to fix it

[mental meadow]

https://github.com/IntellectualSites/FastAsyncWorldEdit/pull/1693

[twin lagoon]

FAWE what the fuck

[mental meadow]

fawe doesn't like to let go of the citizens player objects apparently

[solid moth]

@twin lagoon your about me section makes a lot of sense now xD

[mental meadow]

but with the PR it works fine now, they just get ignored completely

Michael is the sole reason why your production environment exists

[twin lagoon]

so true

that would be a banger about me

[ashen nacelle]

so is that incorperated in the curent FAWE build yet?

[solid moth]

thats what I meant. cant be down if it doesnt exist :D

[meager dawn]

nah

[mental meadow]

not yet

@mossy vessel merge pls

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel merge pls

[ashen nacelle]

well shit

[twin lagoon]

fix relighting too @mossy vessel

[mental meadow]

He took away my merge perms 😦

I can send you a build with it though

[twin lagoon]

my FAWE lighting brokey

[meager dawn]

if only aurora had merge perms so she could fix this right away and make adamwbb happy

[ashen nacelle]

much appreciated

[twin lagoon]

the one benefit of g1gc is that it's very easy to understand and spot memory leaks

zgc requires you to either read gc logs or have memory graphs somewhere

otherwise it will happily go on as if nothing has ever happened but you still have vague lag spikes out of nowhere

[meager dawn]

heap profiling ftw

[twin lagoon]

both shenandoah and openj9 are top notch if you want to use the lowest memory possible

[meager dawn]

pro tip: run your server in IDEA for the integrated profiling

[mossy vessel]

I've self requested a review to enqueue it into my weekly pr queue https://i.imgur.com/L71k1tU.png

[meager dawn]

what's its position in the queue :D

[mossy vessel]

I'll take a look later.

[twin lagoon]

nmf hates us

[meager dawn]

well it's not his fault

[magic river]

I read that first as MM

Which makes sense, his PRs are 2/3 of the ones open against Paper (the other 1/3 is Owen)

But nope, different project

[mental meadow]

NMF it's like 5 lines and Iron and Ywell already approved it for the love of god

german bureaucracy

[ashen nacelle]

ok i noticed a huge difference
starting memory footprint is 8GB smaller than other initial startups.

[mossy vessel]

There you go

[mental meadow]

how many npcs do you have

we had 140 and only noticed anything after like 22 hours

[ashen nacelle]

14

[mental meadow]

tf

[magic river]

They have other memory leaks 😛

Although hey, now you know you have 8GB to save if you find them all

[mental meadow]

our server has 4GB RAM, 140 NPCs and we only noticed differences after 22h runtime, something with your server doesn't add up

[ashen nacelle]

one of them has pathfinding that goes across 278 chunks

[mental meadow]

ah

well that explains it

[mossy vessel]

Next time just ping me on GitHub, I don't have discord open all day long if I'm at work... or do I?

[mental meadow]

^^

[mossy vessel]

But Apollo could've pulled it too lol

smh

[ashen nacelle]

I have a very large city on my map and one of the NPC's patrols it

plus 1 Herobrine NPC who randomly teleports across all generated chunks of the server randomly when players are online. mainly to other players.

here is my server health report

> spark healthreport --memory
[10:31:03 INFO]: [⚡] Generating server health report...
[10:31:03 INFO]:
> TPS from last 5s, 10s, 1m, 5m, 15m:
    *20.0, *20.0, 20.0, *20.0, *20.0

> Tick durations (min/med/95%ile/max ms) from last 10s, 1m:
    6.8/8.5/12.2/20.5; 6.5/8.7/11.8/81.1

> CPU usage from last 10s, 1m, 15m:
    1%, 1%, 2%  (system)
    0%, 0%, 1%  (process)

> Memory usage:
    4.0 GB / 30.0 GB   (13%)
    [┃┃┃┃┃┃┃╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻]

> Non-heap memory usage:
    387.1 MB

> ZHeap pool usage:
    4.0 GB / 30.0 GB   (13%)
    [┃┃┃┃┃┃┃╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻]
     - Usage at last GC: 2.0 GB

> Disk usage:
    163.5 GB / 237.5 GB   (68%)
    [┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃┃╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻╻]

[left swift]

herobrine

[solar yew]

hey any of yall remember that announcement mojang made a year or two about working with someone to make servers able to have thousands of people? i cant find the minecraft.net article for that

[magic river]

That was a Bedrock thing and some distributed DB company made a proof of concept of using their system to sync a minimal (you can walk around) custom server

[solar yew]

ah ok

[short yarrow]

how good are you guys with having a separate commit for each thing you do? sometimes i end up having more in a commit than expected. like if notice something while working on a feature, i'll fix it

[solar yew]

well there is WorldQL for java

[magic river]

I could make you a proof of concept minimal custom server like that and handle thousands of users without needing a cluster 😄

[solar yew]

why hasnt anyone done that

[novel horizon]

not good to use on normal server

read again what Amaranth said

[magic river]

The first thing you'll ask for is other entities or particles or world modification or something else that goes from "my phone could handle this" to "I could use this for my PhD thesis"

https://xkcd.com/1425/

xkcd: Tasks

In the 60s, Marvin Minsky assigned a couple of undergrads to spend the summer programming a computer to use a camera to identify objects in a scene. He figured they'd have the problem solved by the end of the summer. Half a century later, we're still working on it.

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Tasks (24 September 2014) https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tasks.png

[solar yew]

WorldQL or @magic river's proof of concept thing?

WorldQL uses clusters i believe

[novel horizon]

this one

[magic river]

WorldQL is actually the thing I was thinking of

[quasi valley]

there's a whole bunch of private implementations tho

[magic river]

Web3 technologies revolutionized digital asset ownership and enable games to offer composable and vibrant virtual economies.

🤢

[solar yew]

why is WorldQL bad? you mean like bad performance?

[magic river]

WorldQL is leaning real hard in to being the thing you use to put NFTs in your game

So they can go fuck themselves

[solar yew]

i dont care as long as its optional

[magic river]

https://github.com/WorldQL/mammoth try it and tell us how it works

[muted storm]

Fairies

[limber knot]

why does it need a database, I thought it was blockchains all the way down 👀

[magic river]

Every blockchain thing is just a sqlite or postgresql DB with blockchain layered on top for VC money and/or rug pull

[limber knot]

if they don't have one nft for every block in the world then they wont get my monyz!

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

@lavish compass

[twin lagoon]

[sharp basalt]

lol ur avatar

[magic river]

TIL if you run curl https://example.com | bash and your connection dies in the middle of the curl call bash will try to run half a shell script

[mint meadow]

interesting

[warm anchor]

there you go phoenix https://github.com/NFT-Worlds/Server

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[magic river]

Hopefully the script put everything in functions and then calls one at the end to kick things off, otherwise rm -rf $HOME/.foobar might get truncated to rm -rf $HOME/ and you'll have a bad day

[limber knot]

I mean that's what you get for executing unverified scripts, Amaranth lol

[mint meadow]

or rm -fr /something/else to be rm -fr /

[magic river]

rm -rf / doesn't do anything though

[limber knot]

one of the many reasons you should always pipe to sudo bash, otherwise it wont work

[magic river]

sudo rm -rf / doesn't do anything either

[mint meadow]

--no-preserve-root

[magic river]

Yeah but now you're just being malicious

[void void]

You put a lot of trust into that lol

[mint meadow]

rm -fr /*?

[magic river]

Also malicious

[limber knot]

@warm anchor nftworlds seems to only be selling full worlds (which imo is a cool concept), not individual blocks

[warm anchor]

I dont think they have any sort of custom generation though so its like if someone can get the seed, they can get your NFT? idk the entire thing is dumb

[limber knot]

that's not the point

selling builds like this is the point I think is cool: https://opensea.io/assets/0xbd4455da5929d5639ee098abfaa3241e9ae111af/582 (although the price is pretty ridicoulus)

but I guess if the legal framework existed one would get the full redistribution rights for that build from the seller so you could try to profit off of that

but yeah, for the actual survival worlds I would prefer a custom generator too. seems like they are just selling the seed to mojang's work lol

[rare python]

You should try sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

[limber knot]

(of course the knowledge over such a seed is still worth something but probably not that much to most people... also I doubt one will be able to enforce their property claims on such a small number)

most illegally to distribute numbers tend to be pretty large xD

[magic river]

Wait, why do I have a /dev/sda?

Is this some compatibility crap where /dev/sda is the same thing as /dev/nvme0n1?

[rare python]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber knot]

[rare python]

/dev/sda is just a storage device, typically the one the system is installed too.

[rare python]

Wait did you actually run it?

[magic river]

Why would I do that?

If I didn't have a /dev/sda I would have run it just to tease you but I'm not sure if that thing really does anything so...

[rare python]

The command zero writes /dev/sda

[red timber]

that's why you wrap script between { and }

[magic river]

I know what the command does...

[limber knot]

mfw even git bash has it

[red timber]

e.g https://releases.nixos.org/nix/nix-2.7.0/install - see first few lines

[magic river]

https://launchpad.net/~amaranth

[solar yew]

its cool but it would just be more fun if you could sell builds for in game currency / in game stuff instead of ether

[magic river]

Interesting approach, you get a parse error if it fails and that's slightly easier than wrapping everything in a function then calling it at the end

[red timber]

yes

[rare python]

Also Canada don't know what there flag looks like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyVXmpHQOqk

[red timber]

canada flag drawers probably got just trolled

see color changes etc.

[glass crag]

I think it was a war between maple leaf and marijuana leaf

And banana

[left swift]

b a g u e t t e

[short yarrow]

so ideally you would have a separate commits different changes, but sometimes you're working on a file and notice like an unsed variable in another method that you're not working on. i just remove it on the spot if i notice it. would you stop what you're doing and stash your changes to fix that one line? or continue working and fix it later?

[lilac moon]

sd* is for sata disks and nvme0n* is for nvme

I think that's how it should usually go

[glass crag]

depends on the project

[lilac moon]

so if you have some sata disk and an nvme drive you'd have sda and nvme0n1

[glass crag]

if it's really unrelated i'd select the specific lines and commit those separately

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-22w14a

[magic river]

I know that but that doesn't explain why I have /dev/sda as the only drive in this system is NVMe

[twin lagoon]

you sure you're not running it off of SATA?

[crisp sinew]

hi

[magic river]

Well, I definitely have /dev/nvme0n1p1 and /dev/nvme0n1p2, this is definitely an NVMe drive, and I don't think this system could use a SATA m2 drive anyway

So yeah, I'm pretty sure

Oh, it also benchmarks faster than sata6 so... yeah

[crisp sinew]

ill pretend like i understand this

[void void]

java.util.Random has been replaced with a custom class in many locations
-fabric

[worn crest]

Added Clay renewability
O.o

[warm anchor]

if anything heating dirt in a furnace should turn into clay

[magic river]

You don't really make clay from dirt, you just filter out all the not-clay

Also don't you use water to do it?

I could see a brewing stand recipe if they wanted to get "realistic"

Although that would make bottles of slurry, not clay, not sure how you'd turn that back in to a block with existing systems

It's probably something simple like a bucket of water surrounded by dirt in a crafting table

[ashen cliff]

Have we really gotten to the point we don't trust the servers JRE?
https://github.com/alibaba/dragonwell8/issues/308

[warm anchor]

Too realistic

I had that because we can already do sand > glass

[rare python]

Don't you love it when Paperweight decides to go:

---

[worn ember]

No.

[potent panther]

their*

[haughty bear]

is there a nicer way to write this in kotlin:

    fun mod(mapper: (MutableList<StreamData>) -> List<StreamData>) {
        queue.postValue(mapper(queue.value?.toMutableList() ?: mutableListOf()))
    }

    @JvmName("modVoid")
    fun mod(mapper: (MutableList<StreamData>) -> Unit) {
        val list = queue.value?.toMutableList() ?: mutableListOf()
        mapper(list)
        queue.postValue(list)
    }

[ancient bolt]

What do you mean nicer? what's wrong with it?

[glass crag]

give mod a more descriptive name 😄

[red timber]

modifyWith

apply

[haughty bear]

I like the one line aspect of "mod", but I feel like kotlin has some magic pill that can solve the 3 liner one

also modifyWith sounds nice

[full rune]

you can make it into an one-liner, but not sure if it'd be better
queue.postValue((queue.value?.toMutableList() ?: mutableListOf()).also { mapper(it) })

[untold meadow]

.also(::mapper) is prettier

[glass crag]

first one could be

fun mod(mapper: (StreamData) -> StreamData) {
    queue.postValue(queue.value?.map(::mapper) ?: emptyList())
}

depending on what you're doing with the list

[wet storm]

Ah, yes, love that too much! Jason, will paperweight have an option to add NMS classpath before decompilation and have something like "genSources" task as it done in loom?

[brave mountain]

Wow recovery compass

[wet storm]

MoJUNK

[rare python]

It really is great, you know, I love going to test my plugin and having to wait 5 minutes before I can compile the actual plugin.

[brave mountain]

At this rate, a stable release of paper 1.19 may take more than 6 months after mc release.

[red timber]

how so

[rare python]

Why, what changes have they made? And I doubt it would be more then a month, maybe two at most.

[wet storm]

Jason prob can do it with binary patches which paper include in paperclip (maybe I should try to do it because I know gradle api rather well?)

[topaz mortar]

< 5 minutes and apply patches is done.

[brave mountain]

So doesn't need apis for the new features and mobs?

To be stable

[vague lagoon]

that won’t take 6months

[brave mountain]

Additions along the way

[potent wedge]

Can Internet archive anime girl look like a bookworm instead of just a 10y/o girl with funny glasses and holding books

[brave mountain]

Is not even release and they are adding things each snapshot.

[wet storm]

Weeb.

[potent wedge]

Okay "java performance enthusiast"

[wet storm]

Wtf, how did you know that? 😩 /s

[topaz mortar]

There are features in MC for couple of years that have no API. So I see no reason in waiting to push out when the release happens. Adding API is a progressive task.

[brave mountain]

Ok I get it

[red timber]

and if you keep overengineering your api you'll end up like Sponge ;)

[brave mountain]

Thank you

[brave mountain]

How?

[red timber]

they were stalled for a quite long time after 1.13 was released

[wet storm]

And liteloader in terms of client side 💀

[red timber]

liteloader wasn't overengineered though?

[topaz mortar]

Sponge the "API" having breaking changes every MC update.

8 years of Sponge equals Sponge Version 8.

[brave mountain]

Sources indicate it will be released this month indeed

[brave mountain]

Too much work

[topaz mortar]

Sponge? Idk. Minecraft 1.19 no. 1.19 could be in June or later.

[wet storm]

But, liteloader api is REALLY big, and mumfrey also made Mixins while making liteloader iirc

[brave mountain]

Ok

[red timber]

maybe i'm wrong then, but i don't remember LL api being that big compared to forge

[twin lagoon]

mikro 🥺

[red timber]

sup

[wet storm]

Oh, yeah I forgot about Forge somehow 💀 forge is pain for me, besides API, Forge has build system... Imagine 1500 lines of build.gradle code written in groovy and also huge ForgeGradle and its other infrastructure like "BinaryPatcher"

[limber knot]

LightLoader was bigger than what fabric offers though 👀

[rare python]

Does not seem that lite.

[ashen nacelle]

name being a misnomer eh

[wet storm]

...

[limber knot]

Remember: IRC is bad.

[red timber]

ur bad

[ashen nacelle]

discord is techincally a irc in a way

[red timber]

discord is technically a chat platform in a way

[wet storm]

So, don't use it...?

[red timber]

if only it were that easy

[rare python]

I only use it when Discord is down, or to do this.

[limber knot]

or, you know, just stop being toxic

[rare python]

It's a joke, calm down.

[ashen nacelle]

i mean discord acts pretty much the same way an irc does but with more features bells and whistles

[solar yew]

how long did it take for 1.18?

[wet storm]

I love how minecraft has "Registry of registries" in BuiltInRegistries class:
public static final Registry<? extends Registry<?>> REGISTRY = WRITABLE_REGISTRY;
And now I think, what will happen if I register it in itself

[tired fog]

or Fabric

[wet storm]

No, fabric api is the smallest and simplest API of all I think

And... I think it is a weird API, because "programming interfaces" touch its implementations

[worthy geode]

What do you mean by that?

[warm anchor]

@solar yew paper don’t provide snapshot for 1.19

[solar yew]

after 1.18 released, how long did it take for a 1.18 stable paper version to release

[warm anchor]

1.18 is already stable

[golden gust]

We don't exactly care to track that stuff

nor is it much of a useful metric

[warm anchor]

For like more than a months now

[vague lagoon]

i think you’re misunderstanding them

[solar yew]

yeah i know it is stable now

but when did it become stable for 1.18 on paper?

[warm anchor]

.

So no answer

[solar yew]

i guess

[warm anchor]

Because you cannot exactly define stable

[true canyon]

And, importantly, every MC release is different. 🙂

[brave mountain]

read the announcements, check dates

[solar yew]

ok

[jolly schooner]

Random question from a boomer... whats the preference on sign/command plugins these days? I see so many unsupported now

Basically, I want one sign to run multiple commands on click

[rare python]

Name everything wrong with this:

internal class AutoRestart(private val plugin: Ion): BaseCommand(), Listener {

[rare python]

?

[worthy geode]

Vanilla supports running commands from signs, but its limited to 4 commands per sign. If thats enough for you, you don't need a plugin

[worn ember]

Kaas

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/Orteil42/status/1511781382183337985?t=spNEQGzCQc8Qp-UbudXUvQ&s=19

Orteil (@Orteil42)

i had to write 2 lines of php today i need a vacation

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Twitter · Apr 6, 2022, 7:02 PM

Mood

[wet storm]

Oh, new project in PaperMC organisation https://github.com/PaperMC/patched-spigot-fernflower

[vernal moth]

Please read our rules, this is an English discord

[wet storm]

Will it be used only for paperweight-core, or also for paperweight-userdev decomp stage?

[potent wedge]

where galacticraft mod

[ashen cliff]

Not here.

[potent wedge]

well if its not here where is it

I looked everywhere but all i could find was fan websites and addons

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/LRZKVU7r-2022-04-07_01-11-17.png

Legit.

On the bottom of the devs side for the mod...

[potent wedge]

"bottom of the devs side for the mod" wtf

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/mnkyEnqb-2022-04-07_01-14-29.png

And so is google.

[potent wedge]

found it

thanks

[summer rivet]

hi

[potent wedge]

Hi

[zealous temple]

any recommendations for an android ssh client app?

[twin lagoon]

juicessh

[limber knot]

thanks!

[potent wedge]

I actually use juiceSSH

It should warn you if your on cellular and non-essential features are locked behind a paywal

[magic river]

TIL https://shop.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Lifestyle/Google+Chrome+Dino+Dark+Mode+Collectible

[brave mountain]

That dino

It brings me

bad memories

[potent wedge]

Your administrator has blocked this feature 😢

[raven basin]

why does discord have so much degeneracy lmao

[warm anchor]

It's almost like every popular service will be used by all sort of people

[raven basin]

yeah but compared to other social media it definetly appeals to the average degenerate

It appeals to the neckbeard audience

[warm anchor]

reddit is much worse so does twitter comes to mind

maybe it's your friend circle? I've never seem one in the wild

[raven basin]

Not really my friend circle

[warm anchor]

I mean on Discord, you pick your server so idk how that would be possible

[raven basin]

I make friends with someone in game or something while playing

and next thing yk they're posting gross things

🤢

[warm anchor]

on twitter or reddit it's hard to avoid if you look at the popular posts

[raven basin]

happens to me a lot

[warm anchor]

so that's on you then your friend's friend are gross

[raven basin]

how would that be on me

I meet them in the game

not knowing their a degenerate

I stop being friends afterwards

if I realize that their a disgusting weirdo

[warm anchor]

I am confused. you mention Discord on top and now talking about in-game

[raven basin]

Ingame meaning like minecraft

and then I add them on discord

[warm anchor]

so that's still your friend circle... idk what kinda Minecraft server you choice to join

[raven basin]

hypixel

[warm anchor]

yeah population there is either below 12 or 30 year old manchild...

again, that's on you not discord (?)

[viral hornet]

@warm anchor

[raven basin]

Yeah but there is sometimes degenerate moments that discord has commited

[warm anchor]

@viral hornet

[raven basin]

I would say something they did but I dont know if its against the rules

[warm anchor]

its ok keep it to yourself

[raven basin]

relating to rule 2

[warm anchor]

yeah no one is asking so it's ok

[raven basin]

WTF

[magic river]

TIL the corn used for making HFCS is the same used for making ethanol or animal feed

I figured it'd be sweet corn, the kind people eat

[raven basin]

We should start using people as fuel

can't you refine people into fuel

[brave mountain]

I haven't seen much toxicity on discord nor twiter

Maybe who you follow?

[raven basin]

not toxicity

[brave mountain]

Degeneracy?

[raven basin]

yes

[brave mountain]

I haven't seen

[raven basin]

Probably because your in discords that try to prevent that crap

like this one

same thing with reddit

reddits got good subreddits

but a lot bad

compared to other social media

[magic river]

TIL the Mississippi River is still a major reason why America's corn/soybean crops can be cheaper than the rest of the world and worth importing

They still just float it down the river on barges and load it up in New Orleans to ship to China and such

Just like they did 150 years ago

[orchid granite]

dont play with scissors

[brave mountain]

Pretty random

[magic river]

Did Ubisoft actually sell "NFTs" for in game items then end development of the game they're in a couple months later?

https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/6/23013346/ubisoft-ghost-recon-breakpoint-content-nft-digits-quartz

[muted storm]

I mean

Ubisoft

[potent wedge]

[magic river]

lol I think for the Anakin/Obi-Wan fight in the new Lego Star Wars game they're literally just saying meme lines at random

https://tenor.com/view/roses-are-red-violets-are-blue-blue-flower-red-rose-you-were-my-brother-gif-16321841

[spare venture]

“why does gaming have such a bad community”

well it is kinda the perfect place for antisocial people lol

[brave mountain]

Nice poem I like it

[worn ember]

uwu papa

[ashen cliff]

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I hate Discord and so do you.

[vernal moth]

remote: GitLab: You are not allowed to force push code to a protected branch on this project.

no u!

[languid karma]

So hypothetically, if you bellyflopped into lava (probably a volcano), would the noise that you make on impact sound like a "splat"?

[void void]

most of your body would have probably burned out before it even touched the lava

but whatever touched the lava i imagine would "splat"

[ashen cliff]

Same as hitting cement.

[crimson jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq7DDk8eLs8

[languid karma]

Ty very much

[worn ember]

chrome tools are pretty poggers

[red timber]

oof, paperclip does not seem to support a cache directory which is a symlink

[wraith trail]

Use the bundlerRepoDir system property

Will put both cache + all of the other dirs (versions, libraries, maybe something else?) Used by the vanilla bundler wherever you want

[red timber]

that's new

[wraith trail]

Yeah, vanilla has its own bundler now since 1.17. Paperclip tries to be compatible with that

[little frost]

you have clearly not seen what the firefox performance monitor looks like, it has like, too many details

[worn ember]

why would i ever use firefox lul

[solar yew]

anyone know plugins that let players sell stuff without using a GUI? a GUI would be tricky for my bedrock players

[left swift]

down with bedrock

[magic river]

The site is just calling the downloads API via JS in your browser

It's building that page dynamically

https://github.com/PaperMC/papermc.io/blob/master/src/js/downloads.js

It's very 2005 😄

No frameworks or anything, just an event handler for when the page is loaded and then manually inserting HTML fragments

[void void]

how do i include a (gradle) project to another gradle project?

[full rune]

dependencies {
    implementation(project(":project-name"))
}

[void void]

thank

how will it know the path to the project though?

[full rune]

this only works for a depending on a subproject; if it's not a subproject, I'd publish it to a maven repository/maven local and declare a normal dependency

[upbeat falcon]

Structuring and Building a Software Component with Gradle

https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/multi_project_builds.html

A multi-project build in Gradle consists of one root project, and one or more subprojects. ... This is the recommended project structure for starting any Gradle ...

About 10,100,000 results (0.39 seconds)

[void void]

which VPS offers that?

👀

which provider

[worthy geode]

inb4 its a shit CPU

[void void]

lol

I call upon thee, electroniccat. Poland is possibly losing its democracy irreversibly. It may eventually become a threat to Europe. What now?

[worthy geode]

Using a proxy like velocity or bungeecord/waterfall. Not possible with just a plugin

[wide chasm]

This is not the place for politics

[void void]

ok

[worthy geode]

then you also should not feel like redirecting players to another server, because that is only possible with a proxy

[left swift]

[wet storm]

no politics in general

why do people laugh at "I forgor 💀 " phrase? We lost our society 😩

[ashen nacelle]

I am stuck on trying to figure something out.
SO I am trying to make the final tournament bracket pit winners against each bracket using SQL. however my matchup script i want to be able to assign the seeds a bracket number for example seeds 1 and 16 are bracket 1, 2 and 15 bracket 2, and so on.
i would like to use this for($i = 1; $i <=8; $i++){ {BR_ID} = $i; as a variable for my php script but i am unsure how i can incorporate this in to the field BR_ID
my earlier seeding script already imports the players into a list in seed order.
here is my code for the seeding script:

// Check for record
$check_sql = "SELECT
   `ContestantID`,
   `ActiveFlag`,
   `School_Name`,
   `Team_Name`,
   `Bot_Name`,
   `Pit`,
   `Round`,
   (SELECT `Win` FROM Scoring WHERE Contestants.Bot_Name=Scoring.Bot_Name) as `Win`,
   (SELECT `Loss` FROM Scoring WHERE Contestants.Bot_Name=Scoring.Bot_Name) as `Loss`,
   (SELECT `Point` FROM Scoring WHERE Contestants.Bot_Name=Scoring.Bot_Name) as `Point`
   
FROM
    Contestants
WHERE
    `ActiveFlag` = 1 AND
    `Round` = 3 AND
    (SELECT `Win` FROM Scoring WHERE Contestants.Bot_Name=Scoring.Bot_Name) >= 2
ORDER BY
    Win DESC, Point DESC
 LIMIT 16";
sc_lookup(rs, $check_sql);


if (isset({rs[0][0]}))     // Row found
{
    //Variables
for($i = 0; $i <=15; $i++){
    $School={rs[$i][2]};
    $Bot={rs[$i][4]};
    $Pit={rs[$i][5]};
    $Win={rs[$i][7]};
    $Loss={rs[$i][8]};
    
    echo "Creating Seed";
             
             /**
 * Insert a record on another table
 */

// SQL statement parameters
$insert_table  = 'Seeding';      // Table name
$insert_fields = array(   // Field list, add as many as needed
     'School_Name' => "'$School'",
     'Bot_Name' => "'$Bot'",
     'Pit' => "'$Pit'",
     'Win' => "'$Win'",
     'Loss' => "'$Loss'",
 );

// Insert record
$insert_sql = 'INSERT INTO ' . $insert_table
    . ' ('   . implode(', ', array_keys($insert_fields))   . ')'
    . ' VALUES ('    . implode(', ', array_values($insert_fields)) . ')';

sc_exec_sql($insert_sql);

    /**
 * Insert a record on another table
 */

// SQL statement parameters
$insert_table  = 'OutRoundScore';      // Table name
$insert_fields = array(   // Field list, add as many as needed
     'School_Name' => "'$School'",
     'Bot_Name' => "'$Bot'",
     'Pit' => "'$Pit'",
 );

// Insert record
$insert_sql = 'INSERT INTO ' . $insert_table
    . ' ('   . implode(', ', array_keys($insert_fields))   . ')'
    . ' VALUES ('    . implode(', ', array_values($insert_fields)) . ')';

sc_exec_sql($insert_sql);
    
    }
    sc_redir(Outround_Matchups_PRE)
}
        else     // No row found
{
echo "No More Results";
        sc_redir(Outround_Matchups_PRE)
}

Any Ideas?

[left swift]

I forgor 💀

[wet storm]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[peak ginkgo]

@void void Paper modifies the server on your device

[void void]

correct

but it does modify it

[peak ginkgo]

It doesn't distribute the modified binary

[void void]

no, but it modifies it at runtime

[worthy geode]

yes

which is acceptable

[peak ginkgo]

Exactly, you can't download a modified Minecraft server jar

You can only download the tool... to create a modified Minecraft server jar

[worthy geode]

Mojang talks with the Paper core team, they would know if they were doing something illegal

[void void]

obviously it's within their best interest to keep it

as it helps bring players in

[peak ginkgo]

Mojang has literally used Paper fixes in vanilla

[worthy geode]

They also would not have released mappings if they had any issue with someone modding the game

[peak ginkgo]

Paper follows the rules and they're good friends with Mojang as a result

[void void]

anyway, the argument was that offline mode is supposedly cracked, therefore illegal

which it clearly is not

[peak ginkgo]

It is, it says not to allow access to the server to people who don't own the game if you yourself do own the game

Again it's literally rule number one

[void void]

but i do own it

[worthy geode]

yes but the people who you are allowing access don't

[void void]

so why would i not be allowed to turn offline mode on

[wraith trail]

Offline mode isn't supported in this discord. That's it. Don't think anyone is saying Mojang did not intend to include it/you will go to jail for using it

[peak ginkgo]

The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we've made unless we specifically agree to it. By "distribute anything we've made" what we mean is:

let other people get access to anything we've made in a way that is unfair or unreasonable;

It's unfair to not pay for the same game you paid for and still have access to it, don't you think?

[void void]

but i did pay for it

[peak ginkgo]

Exactly, isn't it unfair that people who have NOT paid for it can play the game?

[void void]

they can't because they aren't invited

[frank otter]

Where's offline mode bingo

[peak ginkgo]

You paid $27-$30(?) and they... downloaded an exe

[peak ginkgo]

I forgot this existed oh boy

[languid karma]

Ngl these offline mode arguments happen every 5 days

[peak ginkgo]

Up here @frank otter

[void void]

is it really 30$..?

[worthy geode]

well, if you can make 100% sure that everyone on your server bought the game, you can disable offline mode.
it still won't be supported here tho

[void void]

my friend actually bought it for me

so idk the price 😂

[languid karma]

Yes

[peak ginkgo]

Yeah it was like $27.99 when I got it I don't remember the modern day pricing

[void void]

geez

[worn ember]

used to be 20

[void void]

looks like i owe him something back

i thought it was like 10

[worthy geode]

would be more sensible for a game like minecraft tbh but no, its quite a lot

[frank otter]

it's not pinned, I'm surprised

[worthy geode]

and also no regional pricing

[worn ember]

wow how uninclusive of ms

[void void]

okay so not really 30

but fair enough

wait, can i check what price my game was bought at?

[worthy geode]

still quite a lot for a 13 year old game or whatever

[void void]

afaik minecraft still has the most players out of any game?

[worthy geode]

nobody publishes numbers, its kinda hard to estimate that

most players out of any pay2play game seems likely tho

[worn ember]

take my vbucks

[void void]

i'd imagine there is a lot of players who didn't pay

[worthy geode]

highly depends on the region

as I said, no regional pricing, so in some regions minecraft is $30 while similar titles that use regional pricing (like, everything on Steam for example) are $2

Bedrock has regional pricing, its kinda stupid JE does not

[golden gust]

regional pricing is something we've discussed with them about, I think that's in part what the XBL thing is intended to solve as that is regionally priced

But, I mean, the community has decided not to support offline mode for various reasons outside of mojangs guidelines

[ashen nacelle]

ok so i think i may have a way but I keep getting a SQL syntax error.

// Insert record
$insert_sql = 'INSERT INTO ' . $insert_table
    . ' ('   . implode(', ', array_keys($insert_fields))   . ')'
    . ' VALUES ('    . implode(', ', array_values($insert_fields)) . ')';

sc_exec_sql($insert_sql);
        
        //Add BracketID
// SQL statement parameters
$update_table  = 'OutRoundScore';      // Table name
$update_where  = "Bot_Name = {Contestant1}"; // Where clause
$update_fields = array(   // Field list, add as many as needed
     "BR_ID = {BR_ID}",
 );

Contestant1 has a variable and so does BR_ID
but i just get this
You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right syntax to use near 'Rex' at line 1 UPDATE OutRoundScore SET BR_ID = 1 WHERE Bot_Name = Torquesaurus Rex

[golden gust]

paper also ships a magical bootstrap tool, not the modified server itself; which, fun grey area

[worthy geode]

yeah, im fine with that. Just that I can understand why some people don't buy it if its like half their paycheck in their currency

[golden gust]

I mean, it's complaining about Rex; so, probs wanna like, ``

[worn ember]

needs quotes yeah

[ashen nacelle]

that worked sortof

my BR varible didnt work correctly insted it set everything to 8

[worn ember]

a lot of places

india, china, africa just to name a few continents

[worthy geode]

a large part of the world

[worn ember]

a bread there obviously wont be the equivalent of 2euro but more like 10cents but if you gotta buy games without regional prices...

if you're in europe just wait a few years and thats where all your stuff will be coming from but #politics

[wet storm]

who said politics?

[worn ember]

havent seen jroy in a while

[wet storm]

but...

[left swift]

no jroy

[ashen nacelle]

ok i have this for($i = 1; $i <=8; $i++){ {BR_ID} = "$i";
for my varible but it keeps setting every row to 8

[worn ember]

are that sql functions?

[ashen nacelle]

in this case its a variable in PHP but needs to be injected in sql
my script is supposed to loop and it needs to add the ID to each contestant:

        // SQL statement parameters
$update_table  = 'OutRoundScore';      // Table name
$update_where  = "Bot_Name = '{Contestant2}'"; // Where clause
$update_fields = array(   // Field list, add as many as needed
     "BR_ID = {BR_ID}",
 );

[worn ember]

havent written php in like 8 years so no clue

[ashen nacelle]

rather than looping though and assigning contestant1 and 2 both the identlle number for contestant 1 and 2 they would be ID value of 1 3and 4 ID value of 2

My script loops to make mathcups and needs to create the mathcing BR_ID for the matchup wiht a total of 8 pairs

something is way off becasue I get this

[worn ember]

debug

my guess is that you update the value but never write it

so it loops 8x and then writes to all the fields

[ashen nacelle]

it should look like this (written in manually

[worn ember]

also why are you generating id's

let your DB do that

[ashen nacelle]

this is a pairing id for the torunament bracket so i can filter wins matching each ID value

[twin lagoon]

your database should be generating ids

[ashen nacelle]

it aleady does with a ContestantID or Seed but in this case I Need to have the BR_ID manually set from the script for the matchups as it shapes the bracket

for example Torquesaurus Rex goes up against Cyclone. so both of them in the Scoring tab need an BR_ID of 1
Jim and Touro should have a BR_ID of 2
the format of the tournaments is winner of 1 goes against winner of 2 and so on until there is only one winner

here is my full code
note that all connections and functions are handled by the sc_ macroes.

[upbeat falcon]

Matchups.txt by @ashen nacelle: https://paste.gg/162180e6a7174ae2b4654ad1ff7d706e

[meager tusk]

Hello.

[left swift]

omg idriz

[warm anchor]

@mental meadow

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

@meager tusk IDRIZ!

[mental meadow]

@warm anchor

[worn ember]

do you have a table for matchups?

since your matchups are many to many you should have a table that just holds the matchups

[ashen nacelle]

yes and the table for keeping track of each score. the sc you saw is for each score

the matchup table is basically a list

bot1 vs bot2

[worn ember]

db stuff is hard to wrap your head around without a full picture so good luck

do you have a db schema?

intellij or phpstorm can generate them

or probably whatever tool you use for db

[ashen nacelle]

i am using phpmyadmin and scriptcase

[worn ember]

yeah kinda need to see the relations/fields

[wary vigil]

how to put antixray?

[crystal lily]

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/anti-xray

[wary vigil]

ty

[wet storm]

oh... No way something like this exists in forge api

I always trigger when see unsafe, util, misc and etc. words...

[worn ember]

"BARF!"

[golden gust]

util package is bleh from a "respect the OOP paradigms" standpoint

[wet storm]

com.destroytokyo.paper: has util and utils packages

[golden gust]

But, when you get into the real world, the alternative is that you'd end up having lots of classes floating around with like 1 or 2 methods just to make stuff easier

or flooding stuff with extra crud

[wet storm]

I think extension methods was an attempt from languages like kotlin to make better replacement of util classes

[worn ember]

C# does it pretty well

[topaz mortar]

Don't think so. more of a I need that functionallity for that class I've no possibility to modify or to lazy to inherit.

[worn ember]

oops

my downloads folder is 48 of that haha

thats where all the important files live tho

[magic river]

If it wasn't obvious that ECS was just a database this makes it pretty clear https://ajmmertens.medium.com/building-games-in-ecs-with-entity-relationships-657275ba2c6c

SpaceShip, 
(Faction, $SpaceShipFaction),
(DockedTo, $Planet),
Planet($Planet),
RuledBy($Planet, $PlanetFaction),
AlliedWith($SpaceShipFaction, $PlanetFaction)

That's a query you can run against flecs

That gets you all spaceships docked to planets allied to the spaceship's faction

As well as the planet and factions themselves, I think

And then once ECS has made it clear that game state is just a database you can then realize netcode is just a custom DB replication protocol 😄

[wet storm]

But, about sun.misc.Unsafe, there are many problems with it:

1. It is internal api which is created for usage only in implementations of public APIs.
2. It is outdated API, new replacement is jdk.internal.misc.Unsafe. (Or public VarHandle API in some cases)
3. It is too powerful so you can easly do memory leak with it or something worse. Or you can end up with "Oh, I read JSR 133 cookbook for compiler writers, so now I know that volatile keyword puts some memory barriers before and after operation, so I can put memory barrier only before some get or set as library X did it for performance"

[golden gust]

it's a low level tool of which is slowly being replaced

I mean, that looking for the older location for unsafe screams that it's an older verson of forge, but 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

Forge has only been able to use things newer than Java 8 since 1.17

So.... yeah

[raven basin]

windows moment

[worn ember]

yeah cuz you only download on windows, linux users need to compile their browser still

[wet storm]

no, true linux users code their own browsers in assembly and after that compile /s

[magic river]

That reminds me, don't compile your own browser and probably don't even use a build compiled by someone other than Mozilla or Google

They turn on all the best security knobs and compile with PGO so it runs significantly faster

[worthy geode]

true linux users just use curl and imagine the css/html in their head

[true canyon]

lynx is a great browser thank you very much

[magic river]

Doing PGO yourself is non-trivial, they generate the profiling data by doing a normal build and running it through their entire test suite

Well, it might not be the entire thing but a good chunk of it

For Firefox iirc they include snapshots of real websites

The snapshots were originally used to automatically detect regressions that would effect a lot of users

[twin lagoon]

@true canyon 🥺

[tropic flame]

at some point I question why are those "knobs" not enabled by default, then

[magic river]

They probably are, if you know what options to pick at the start of the build

I remember Firefox's ./configure equivalent was a bit annoying, maybe they made it better

mozconfig or something

[true canyon]

[wet storm]

True linux users know every byte of compiled GNU/Linux kernel, so they run it in their head, and imagine html, css and js by reading raw tcp bits from wi fi waves or from touching raw ethernet wires. /s

[void void]

hey who knows how to open rdb file in windows for example for review?

[lament patio]

https://openai.com/dall-e-2/

Now this is scary

[eternal nacelle]

AI is intriuging and terrifying at the same time

[golden gust]

This is not the place for solicitation

[fervent fractal]

Sorry, I think you did not understand my message, I was just asking.

[golden gust]

and if somebody said yes?

[fervent fractal]

I have no idea, that depends on why he answered.

[brave mountain]

what a wonderful project

https://waydro.id/

[marble lark]

doesn't C# just have static classes for that

not exactly anything new

[silver nexus]

Has the "Delete Server" button in server setting always not been red? Just noticed and found it weird...

[magic river]

Minecraft server GUI has a delete button?

[silver nexus]

Discord server settings.

[magic river]

Oh, I don't have the owner role for any of those

[raven basin]

Mandela effect

[brave mountain]

my "delete discord" button is transparent

[silver nexus]

Maybe. It could be that it just seems like it should be red.

[raven basin]

or discord changed

it

its always been red for me

I have been on discord since like 2018

and never once saw it white

[silver nexus]

They might have, just seems like an odd thing to change purposefully, which, maybe it was an accident.

It’s not white, just transparent

[raven basin]

"odd thing to change purposefully" Not really its a big deal and red sort of signifies the warning that your deleting the server

[silver nexus]

But they “changed” it to be transparent.

[raven basin]

weird

[silver nexus]

“Changed” because idk if they actually changed it or I’m crazy…

[raven basin]

are you using any discord plugins

[silver nexus]

Nope.

[raven basin]

it used to be red

they did change it

wtf

it used to be red without a doubt

I remember

[silver nexus]

Yea

Odd thing to change

[raven basin]

and stupid it was fine before

[silver nexus]

Yea

[raven basin]

oversimplification ig

[lilac moon]

like this?

[raven basin]

yeah your using better discord though

[lilac moon]

I'm not

That's plain old web discord

[raven basin]

no its not lmao

Im using web discord

[lilac moon]

Well maybe its a/b testing

[lilac moon]

I'm not on my PC right now but its unmodified

Can you screenshot the leave server

I mean like how it looks for you

[primal zodiac]

Sadly sometimes that's the only way to do something.

Would be nice if private / protected modifiers could be worked around by adding some sort of unsafe { ... } block.

And static final did not inline during compilation I would trade runtime de-optimization for easier reflection and access to the guts of JVM.

[golden gust]

er, reflection?

constant inlining is somewhat of a PITA

but, to be fair, that also happens during JIT for effectively final stuff too, so is always fun

[primal zodiac]

Hmm what is a legitimate use for Unsafe apart from direct memory allocation (which is covered by ByteBuffer stuff as well?)

I remember reading that it could be used to get the caller class

Without allocating an exception and populating the entire call stack, which is ridiculously slow.

https://stackoverflow.com/a/5653399/1589653

[golden gust]

basically, ^

Theres many cases where you want a slab of memory without dealing with a ByteBuffer, etc

https://caroleandtuesday.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_mermaid_(Song)

I saw somebody who was looking for recs for a "work friendly" song as they could pick as like, the music played before they do their presentation

[tropic flame]

in my experience, inlining at compilation always happens with primitive values (and String)

[void void]

i imagine electroniccat being in a tuxedo irl

[limber knot]

yes with a tag of [no-ping]

[mental meadow]

i imagine him wearing cat ears and saying "nya" a lot

[summer rivet]

How to removed dust when you dont see it? doing blind a bad idea?

[wet storm]

Oh, I can't imagine😩

[lofty breach]

someone have dynmap with pterodactyl? I need help pls

[worn ember]

oh ur still alive

[twin lagoon]

average github actions day

[mental meadow]

look at the positive site, at least atlassian is still down

https://jira-software.status.atlassian.com/ love to see it

[red halo]

static final is now inline for more then just constants by the JVM by default in newer versions (17?).

so if the jit optimized usage of static final it is possible that it may only be updated in some locations but not others.

[red halo]

But it also now prevents stripping final with reflection if you could bypass the other checks.

that is just my limited experience with java 17 tho but unsafe does seem to work but i have no idea when the jit will attempt to deoptimize or if it will at all

[worn ember]

self hosted ci

[wet storm]

I think it is a hell of implementation details which normal developers shouldn't touch, unless we are developing some microbenchmark tool or something similar

[red halo]

access to malloc and free for off java heap memory and fast memory writes and reads intrinsic functions after JIT magic (all of this is faster and more sane (just for memory leaks) then bytebuffer that is better and worse at the same time)

bypassing array oob checks (up to 30% faster on older machines)

you should prob just look into the usage in netty

[red halo]

you don't need to touch it till you need to touch it because the jvm itself is no longer enough

most people will never touch it directly

and shouldn't

[red halo]

people who do high frequency trading on the JVM abuse unsafe

many banks as-well use unsafe either via a library that has been tested or raw

such as netty or a offheap hashmap impl

the alternative is 4TB of memory and disabling the gc till end of the day and allocate as little as possible

[wet storm]

Yeah, I know some example called lmax disruptor library (prob you know about it) where they use unsafe for really fast concurrent ring buffer

[red halo]

netty uses unsafe a lot as-well but most of the optimizations may no longer be required with modern jvms but they would give a much larger boost on older jvms and machines without modern instructions

https://github.com/OpenHFT/Chronicle-Map

This uses Unsafe internally to pack up to TBs of data together tightly with no allocations for reads / writes if used correctly

[red halo]

This thing actually is very very fast compared to the alternative of a fragmented 1TB heap

the problems just go away

object pooling is another "solution" but I am not sure if the jvm allows you to allocate a bunch of objects together on the heap that won't be moved around to prevent fragmentation

[wet storm]

I think issue anyway would be in gc which moves objects as it want.

[red halo]

modern gcs such as what is offered by azul, shenandoah (less so) and kinda zgc are able to handle lots of allocations tho

Zing C4 can handle massive heaps and allocations without pauses, it can handle what G1 can't without issues.

[marble lark]

i was about to say @NoInline but remembered only @ForceInline exists lmao

[brave mountain]

a lot of support companies depends on it's helpdesk system.

chrome is version 100, so what?

[rancid void]

nice

[glass crag]

do you use an extension to hide cooker banners

ive found thats what causes the minecraft site to break for me

[brave mountain]

weird question, is there a place where people can find random IP's with mc port open, so they can try to connect if is not whitelist and so, I only want to know it's existence

[neon bramble]

Hey, I guess you all know the paid closed source forks, which claim to be better.
Under GPL, they should release the source code. However, this is their explanation. (Example from SSSpigot)

SSSpigot doesn't violate GPL because SSSpigot use a binary patch distribution system.
The launcher will download vanilla jar, paperclip and SSSpigot's patch and then generate the final jar at runtime.

And technically speaking, they are right. Is it possible to prevent similar practices?

[rancid void]

why and how would you prevent it

also what the heck is SSSpigot

[neon bramble]

I mean, prevent it legally

(Looking for a license that would disallow such a behavior)

[true canyon]

Unless somebody is willing to contribute a million+ dollar warchest, there isn't much that can happen regardless.

[neon bramble]

Ikr? I'm just curios, GPL disallows closed modifications. And this seems like bypassing it.

[vernal moth]

well, the only way to find out who is right is to sue them

if you bring the money and lawyers, I am sure somebody would give you permission to enforce his copyright

[tropic flame]

16, in my experience

[neon bramble]

ikr? I was just asking for your opinion

[vernal moth]

we are not lawyers so our opinions are worthless

[neon bramble]

not for me ;)

[wet storm]

Bringing lawyers will worth destroying paid fork and cleaning this world from the evil😈

[neon bramble]

[vernal moth]

we use the same mechanism to circumvent mojang copyright, so digging too deep there might hurt us too

[neon bramble]

true lol

[wet storm]

Okay, so I can easly make another block game drama?

[neon bramble]

iirc, mojang owns bukkit

So if they wanted to stop it, they already would do so

[tropic flame]

they own whatever code their employees wrote for bukkit

[vernal moth]

thats not how this works

[tropic flame]

which is a bit different

[neon bramble]

Do they?

[vernal moth]

bukkit is open source software, its owned by its contributors, not one single entity

mojang owns the bukkit project, the forum, the domain etc, not the software

[neon bramble]

I see

[neon bramble]

But I guess this point still stands

[red halo]

primitives and string aka anything ldc will be inline by javac not jvm on any version

[ashen nacelle]

are we seriously trying to go down this path again have we not learned from our past mistakes with the bukkit DMCA!

[neon bramble]

I was just curios

I guess this is still a spicy topic after ten eight years

[red halo]

they may own part of the software but it is licensed for us to use so it don't matter

depends what the deal was

[vernal moth]

idk if they acquired the copyright of the core team when they hired them/acquired the project, ye

[wet storm]

Why looking at your pfp I wanna send: https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-cat-talking-reply-gif-24471552

[red halo]

but yeah mojang may have the copyright on some of the original bukkit code contributed by anyone who worked at mojang at any point in time but it doesn't really affect anyone else as it was already licensed under gpl/lgpl

the only real gray area with bukkit is that it doesn't have the proper gpl exceptions for linking with minecraft but that doesn't actually matter anymore after the oracle and google lawsuit

[neon bramble]

mojang may have the copyright on some of the original bukkit code contributed by anyone who worked at mojang at any point in time
How?

[red halo]

the original bukkit team works at mojang

they may have signed off their copyright to the code

everyone who writes gpl code owns their code still

they just allow everyone else to use it under gpl

[neon bramble]

Did they wrote bukkit in work time?

[ashen nacelle]

another controversial note is the denizens plugin
mcmonkey said this
spawning fake tab list entries is useful towards organizing your tab list or adding tab complete entries, but can be abused for faking having players online (which is forbidden by Mojang).

yet looking at Mojang EULA I dont see anywhere where that is forbidden.

[red halo]

they were hired after the fact and there may be a few commits after they joined mojang

[neon bramble]

I mean

Did they write it when they were at work

Or as a hobby?

[red halo]

neither matter if we don't know their contract for joining mojang

but mojang did obtain bukkit as part of the deal

so that would probably extend to the code as-well

[neon bramble]

I mean, the work is licensed under GPL

[red halo]

yes and mojang has access to their work (from whoever signed it off) that would let them do whatever they want with it if the ownership of bukkit extended to the nms/api code that they wrote before joining mojang instead of just everything else they had and that would be weird

[red halo]

it depends. they don't need to release the source unless you pay for it and ask for it anyways after they gave you access to a binary file, so even if they don't follow gpl you can't do anything if you haven't met the requirements or none of the contributors care to sue.

[ashen nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/breakinglaw-jim-carrey-gif-19525137

[neon bramble]

Buying a 15$ fork probably wouldn't be the biggest expense in a lawsuit

But noone cares to do that anyway

[red halo]

it is gray area at best

[wet storm]

Okay, let's pay for lawyers to find issues with bukkit licensing and mojang employees contracts who contributed to bukkit, cancel bukkit and force paper hardfork /s

[neon bramble]

[ashen nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[worn ember]

doesnt the paper org have big bank anyway

[vernal moth]

I dont think our supporters would appreciate us spending their money and giving it to dum lawyers, lol

[tropic flame]

yeah but the CEO of paper hoards everything and doesn't even let the workers unionize smh /s

[wet storm]

I forgor 💀 hardfork wen? /s

[magic river]

What do you mean by this?

Google v Oracle would suggest you can't even make your own implementation of Bukkit (based on looking at the javadoc or something) without it having to be GPL since you're copying the API design but I'm not sure what that has to do with what you said

Although if Google's use was declared fair use I can't imagine what wouldn't be

[void void]

If it means taking down MCM forks, then absolutely lol

take my whole euro a month

dollar*

[neon bramble]

In theory. I will also contribute one dollar a month

Mini, finance the rest

ty

[ashen nacelle]

wow i just watch as I run chunky my server spikes to max ram and immediatly crashes in less than 2 minutes

and thats with 32 GB of ram

[novel horizon]

🤦

[desert slate]

I'm looking for DJ explanations in DM

[twin lagoon]

DJ what

[magic river]

hmm, too much flashing lights

[ashen nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-vampire-dies-in-no-time-kyūketsuki-sugu-shinu-john-turntable-dj-gif-23814384

[magic river]

Also it's pretty weird to come into a random Discord you aren't active in and ask for something vague but demand it be in a DM

You know who does that? Scammers

[uncut hatch]

Does anyone know Dubzo#0496?

[ashen nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-gif-23878218

[uncut hatch]

I am not scam.

[ashen nacelle]

aint nobody gonna dm random people

[magic river]

Never heard of them, based on search on Discord they appear to be an aspiring developer

[neon bramble]

Lol I solved this by running System.gc() every ten seconds chunky runs

it also ran out of memory on my 32GB system (+ 6GB swap)

[magic river]

If Chunky is supposed to self-regulate it sounds like either Paper has a memory leak or the plugin isn't doing that very well

[neon bramble]

is it supposed to self regulate?

Never noticed that :D

[magic river]

If you're telling it how fast to go (or how many to do in one batch or whatever) then you're doing a bad job of it

[ashen nacelle]

i ran gc evey 2 seconds and in the first 10 seconds it reached max allocation in the first minute the free memory was at 0

[neon bramble]

Well there can't be a memory leak, because System.gc frees it

[ashen nacelle]

then by minute 2 entire server crash

[magic river]

I guess it could be bad GC configuration

[neon bramble]

it was on a local test server with default GC config

so possible

[magic river]

It sounds like Chunky isn't trying to use too much RAM the GC is just not keeping up with the allocation rate

You'd think it would just stop the world and force a full GC for that but perhaps it does so too late and doesn't have enough free to work on freeing any

[neon bramble]

Chunky is very simple internally

[magic river]

Talking about the JVM/G1GC there for "it"

[neon bramble]

It just loads new chunks on several threads and hopes paper will generate it

nothing more, nothing less

[ashen nacelle]

i tried G1C1 Shenandoah and ZGC all had exact same results with chunky

[neon bramble]

[magic river]

WorldBorder would monitor memory usage iirc so if Chunky doesn't that seems like going backwards

[neon bramble]

That does smell like a memory leak

[neon bramble]

I didn't have worldborder installed

[magic river]

Why would you?

It's a plugin from like 2014 😛

Well, it's from before Bukkit existed but I think it died around then

[ashen nacelle]

chunky has a extreme memory leak to max out entire system memory and swap in just a minute

[neon bramble]

I doubt it is caused by chunky

As I've said, it just loads new chunks

[magic river]

Doesn't seem like a leak, just seems like Chunky is asking the server to do infinity things at once without regulating itself

[neon bramble]

That is indeed what it does

[magic river]

The server will happily let you shoot yourself in the foot

So the plugin needs to regulate how fast it pulls the trigger 😄

[neon bramble]

I mean, it does have a set limit for how many chunks should be generated at once

[ashen nacelle]

with a damn 20MM AA Cannon

[magic river]

Ok then, the problem is you have that number too high

[neon bramble]

The number is hard coded iirc

[ashen nacelle]

too high really!?

[neon bramble]

I was experimenting with it

[ashen nacelle]

i am only setitng a radius of 1000

[neon bramble]

And I couldn't get better results than what it has by default

I don't really remember it, check its source

[magic river]

pfft, that sounds like effort

[neon bramble]

ikr?

[magic river]

I'm just here to armchair quarterback

[summer rivet]

is it possbile for a player to place blocks without holding them in off or main hand?

and if yes how?

[magic river]

Not that I'm aware of

[summer rivet]

oh uhm

then its weird

i just saw someone doing that

not even hotkey doing that?

[unkempt drift]

well the client could tell the server that they switched the items and then send the place packet, and then switched them back

idk if that'd be visible to others or not

[summer rivet]

well he placed very fast holding a sword and a button in offhand constantly

[left swift]

[void void]

i give hippo kyngs a watermelon to eat

[ashen nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ_4hfuidG0

[magic river]

Eh, yes and no

In a Fedora Silverblue kind of world the desktop is probably the only thing you need to worry about

Otherwise Ubuntu is far more likely to have a tutorial for something or have a repo you can use to install some proprietary thing

I don't know why you'd recommend KDE anyway though so if you agree with the video then all you're left with is distro differences anyway 😄

The only desktop to recommend is GNOME

[tired heath]

Actually planing to replace some outaded menu plugin, unfortunatly don't have the time now to code one my self, thinking about DeluxeMenus. Anyone got XP with it?

I mean looks like the same dude made it what made PlaceholderAPI

[magic river]

I don't use a menu, I just use the the activities mode and type what I want to launch

[vestal jasper]

That is true. I've used it in the past and it did the job.

Iirc I had a nicer time with BSP

Not like that's a thing anymore tho

[worthy geode]

eh, it probably still works

[vestal jasper]

I'm sure there's some fork for it out there

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[tired heath]

BSP is BossShopPro right, yeah that's what I wanna replace since it already works too long after the last update and end of dev to feel confident about using it further 😄

[vestal jasper]

TIL GitHub mobile site doesn't let you interact with the network tab in forks

For whatever reason

[tired heath]

Well I just found 3 of 63 ahead of Blackixx and they look not super promising, more like fixing the minimum needed.

[brave mountain]

depends

some distros aren't good with some desktops

[lavish compass]

some distros are just objectively better, like hannah montana linux

[brave mountain]

what is that

[lavish compass]

Like, who wouldn't use this?

[brave mountain]

awful

[worthy geode]

I like that the background does not even fit

[lavish compass]

But like, imo distros do also matter

You don't go around and scream gentoo to people

[brave mountain]

xfce is good too, can be hard to setup, but cool

[lavish compass]

xfce is missing a lot of QoL features that other DEs provide

and settings is just a mess

[magic river]

XFCE seemed like a promising alternative in 2011

[tired heath]

If I would like to waste the time to change the entire display manager and set it all up to work flawless I could start with my own distro as well. Right, I'm to lazy, so I pick between a distro offering a usable desktop. Except of Kali, Blackbox and Parrot where I need other stuff first 😄

[magic river]

But it stalled out and ended up not actually being a memory savings due to having to mix and match applications so they were pulling in different frameworks and such

[brave mountain]

I haven't use KDE

[magic river]

So a GNOME desktop actually used less RAM since you either used all the GNOME stuff on XFCE so paid for both frameworks or used a mishmash so paid for more than 2

"paid" as in RAM usage, of course 😛

[uneven fox]

I usually stay away from GNOME. I gave it a try for about a month and everything about it put me off.

[lavish compass]

what about gnome?

[brave mountain]

ubuntu has done it so

[void void]

"and then you rock the show"

woop woop

I loved Hannah Montana

[brave mountain]

mixing packages versions and snaps

[magic river]

Oh yeah these days you have mixes of GTK 3 and 4, flatpaks and snaps either bring in their own stuff for each one or just one for all the snaps separate from the rest of the system

[brave mountain]

right now the only place where snaps work well is ubuntu, more or less

[lavish compass]

snaps more like bloated daemon

[uneven fox]

I really hate the non backwards compatible version upgrades that GTK keeps pushing. Due to that shit, my system requires GTK2, 3, and 4 loaded into memory, and a theme that looks the same across all three versions.