general

[magic river]

The space bar thing is just weird, should change that one

[neon bramble]

Just tell me a single reason why wouldn't you use KDE

[tropic flame]

or LXQt

[magic river]

So you have two bug reports that are waiting for someone to do the work, one where the thing you're asking for makes things worse for animated things or on hidpi displays, one where they're exploring the problem still but will either have a generic volume control thing or add it to the app, and one you can point to as "they won't do the obvious thing"

Well, I wouldn't use them because I don't want to use Qt 😛

[neon bramble]

why?

I mean

[magic river]

I hate writing C++

[neon bramble]

what uses gtk nowadays?

except for gnome

[magic river]

Yeah, aside from the most popular Linux DE and the most popular web browsers who even uses GTK anyway? 😛

[neon bramble]

I mean

not like you cannot run gtk apps on kde

[neon bramble]

Saying that gnome is the most popular DE is a very bold claim

[magic river]

KDE also always just feels like it's a proof of concept or a demo of how you could use all these pieces to make a desktop

But not a very good desktop

[neon bramble]

u sure?

[magic river]

Like, it always feels half baked

[neon bramble]

Does it?

Which part does?

[magic river]

It does a lot of things but they didn't put a lot of thought in to them

[neon bramble]

I mean with kde apps it's always hit or miss

[magic river]

I dunno, I suppose I haven't tried it since 2014 😛

[neon bramble]

sometimes they are wonderful

sometimes awful

[neon bramble]

you should

It has come a very long way

[magic river]

I haven't seen any sign they've actually improved things

[neon bramble]

What do you want to improve?

[magic river]

Like it might be technically better and more polished but from a design perspective... do they even have a design?

[void void]

ok we have a runner thats cool

[timid gull]

anyone else having trouble getting minecraft java to load today?

[magic river]

Like, where is the KDE HIG?

[neon bramble]

the point of kde is: it is your design

[void void]

:))))

[timid gull]

lmao. never mind. It just loaded

guess I need to click the correct thing.;

[magic river]

Right so that gets back to KDE being a desktop construction kit and not actually a desktop

[neon bramble]

https://develop.kde.org/hig/

[neon bramble]

You can use what others have created

and then adjust it if needed

[magic river]

I suppose it doesn't help that something about all the KDE themes (or maybe just the widgets themselves) has always just felt off to me somehow

[neon bramble]

not like you cannot download hundreds of them...

[magic river]

Like, even with a Windows or GTK or macOS theme

[neon bramble]

I use breath dark

and it is very nice

[magic river]

Which is why I think it's the widgets themselves

I want to say it felt like I was using a modern version of Windows 95 but I don't know why

[neon bramble]

???

[magic river]

I just said I don't know why

[neon bramble]

That sounds very weird

[magic river]

Something about KDE has always felt weird

[neon bramble]

maybe the naming of their apps seems weird to you? ;)

[magic river]

It was what I used when I first tried to switch to Linux

I think that was KDE 2 but yeah

I didn't stick around for long

[void void]

kde is a complete utter shit to me

but that lxqt ❤️

much better than gn:omegalul:me

[neon bramble]

wtf you are the first guys I've seen shitting on KDE

[neon bramble]

Isn't KDE 5 like the current?

[smoky cloud]

What's the one that looks like a knock-off macOS?

[magic river]

Also, you should probably give up on trying to convince me, I still have a GNOME gitlab account 😛

[tropic flame]

damn, I got someone hooked into LXQt, that's a win 😄

[neon bramble]

gnome

[smoky cloud]

Gnome looks nothing like macOS

[tropic flame]

Elementary

[magic river]

I used to maintain an application in the default GNOME desktop

[tropic flame]

I remember using KDE 4 in an old laptop and it seemed fine, KDE 5 looks pretty as it is imo

[void void]

ok i probably should NOT have changed lxqt's language to bulgarian, now it feels weird

[neon bramble]

I have 5.24.3 running currently

And it is so nice

It is reasonably lightweight

far from lxde

but not heavy like gnome at all

[tropic flame]

yeah

[void void]

when i tried running kde it was closing easyeffects

[neon bramble]

I was bored today, so I spent my entire morning and afternoon trying to install plain arch + KDE on a very old cheap mini PC I have

[tropic flame]

• if you use KDE you get to be able to use my friend's theme totally not shamelessly plugging http://gitgud.io/wackyideas/aerothemeplasma

[void void]

and when i wanted to configure something id search through menus for a bunch of time

[neon bramble]

I've had 600MB total memory usage with konsole opened

[tropic flame]

ngl the results are actually pretty convincing

but he's still working on it

[neon bramble]

that's solid

[neon bramble]

lol they are

like a lot convincing

this is the only sussy part

but the less, really like windows 7

[void void]

amateur. I have open easyeffects, chrome, firefox and discord and its using 3.27GB

[tropic flame]

well it's pretty configurable so you could probably change that by yourself if you wish

but it looks better than most Aero themes for KDE out there

[neon bramble]

I mean, I have that mini PC plugged into a TV, so it's only use is playing videos.
I just wanted to try to install Arch. It was hell of a ride. But on 4th attempt, it worked great.

[tropic flame]

because he's actually programming stuff and not just slapping some QML file

[neon bramble]

On my main workstation I have 32GB of RAM

so idc

[void void]

now the only thing i have to find is how to bind changing keyboard layouts with Alt + shift

and we are rollin'

[neon bramble]

this is sus

[neon bramble]

easy on kde :)

[tropic flame]

those are the icons from Office 2007

they're not knockoffs

[neon bramble]

I mean, the sus part is, that there's office on linux

I've heard that it is possible

[void void]

ye its not hard to do the keybind, problem is what command do you run

[neon bramble]

But I've never seen someone actually do it

[tropic flame]

LMAO i mean, Wine does wonders

[neon bramble]

do you run any command?

[tropic flame]

I think Office 2007 runs pretty well under Wine actually

and 2010 too

[neon bramble]

Running fusion360 in wine is really weird/funny lol

[void void]

i dont know yet

[tropic flame]

it's the more recent versions of Office that give problems

[magic river]

Huh, I think gnome's system monitor is giving memory usage in 1000s instead of 1024s

It says I have 33.2 GB total RAM so... yeah

[neon bramble]

makes sense

it would report GiB otherwise

[magic river]

Anyhow, fresh boot after everything has settled I'm using 2GB

[vernal moth]

This movie is so hipster, the chick is wearing a wool hat in a fucking sauna

[vestal jasper]

Very

[vernal moth]

Y tho

[mental meadow]

and how does obfuscation help with that

[void void]

why would you obfuscate a compiled program

jars can probably only be decompiled with a specific tool that i forgot the name of

[tropic flame]

because bytecode is easily decompilable with most if not all the symbol names intact

[lavish compass]

what?

[tropic flame]

it follows a defined structure

[lavish compass]

wrong

[lavish compass]

you don't even need symbol names to get readable code tbf

it's not like x86

[tropic flame]

I'm smooth brain, i need them

[void void]

what a horrible language
i'll never use java

[vernal moth]

No obfuscation protects your credentials

Ever

No

It gives you a false sense of security

[wide chasm]

If computers can read the code, so can humans

[vernal moth]

String obfuscation is just one step above base64 encoding your password, lol

[tropic flame]

maybe don't make it hardcoded, most plugins i see straight up tell you to put the password in config.yml lol

[void void]

are you able to get x86 assembly code from an exe

[lavish compass]

yes

[tropic flame]

have you ever heard of a disassembler

believe me, they do exist

[vernal moth]

That would be too easy

[void void]

c code from an exe?

[lavish compass]

not directly

[tropic flame]

that's what's harder because compilers don't follow a defined structure for the assembly they generate

[lavish compass]

but decompilers exists, although not as good as bytecode langs like java or c#

[wide chasm]

Converting Assembly to C is relatively straightforward, though.

[tropic flame]

so you'll lose symbol names

but you'll still get C code

[lavish compass]

Or, just open source your code

problem solved

[tropic flame]

probably very optimized depending on the compiler settings that were used lol

[wide chasm]

But even then, you don't need C code to understand the code, you can also just read bytecode directly to understand what the code does.

Same for Java, reading JVM bytecode is pretty easy, don't necessarily need to convert to Java for that (although given how easy decompilation is, might as well turn it to Java).

[tropic flame]

personally I like it

if I hold the binary then I want to see what it does

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i literally have that right as a EU citizen haha yes I'll decompile your program brrrrr

[vagrant gust]

Hey, small question, what is a good minecraft fork for 1.8 Servers?

[tropic flame]

none

[vagrant gust]

sick, I wanted to make a small trashy 1.8 minigame server for friends

[neon bramble]

???

[tropic flame]

"haha this language is bad because you can obtain java out of bytecode"

i don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neon bramble]

sad python noises

[void void]

the folder structure is horse shit too

[neon bramble]

???

[tropic flame]

I'd rather have it than the C way where you just put everything in the same directory and at some point you get a thousand source files

when I write C++ i organize my shit in folders too

haha #include "./yourmom/YourMom.hpp" brrrr

[void void]

i'd rather have a thousand folders than a thousand files

[void void]

this is good

[tropic flame]

yes, i would literally rather have this

[tropic flame]

so your gripe is with the long package names?

[wide chasm]

If you don't make your package names unique, stuff could break if you run two programs with the same package names.

[tropic flame]

fair enough

[tropic flame]

that's pretty much only a problem if you run them in the same classpath

e.g. Bukkit server and its plugins

[wide chasm]

Yes

[tropic flame]

two standalone programs will run in a process each

[wide chasm]

Yes, but also dependencies.

Although then the build tool would start to complain. (I hope at least, otherwise you have even more fun issues at runtime.)

Which is better than at runtime I suppose, but still an issue.

[tropic flame]

the way.domain.reversed is what ends up making package names too long imo

it could be for instance developername.projectname

[wide chasm]

Names are not very unique though

[tropic flame]

and... enterprise conventions

AbstractFinalMainExecutionProceduralIterationExtractionInjector.java

nest it into 30 other subpackages

[wide chasm]

Well, that's just Spring

[wet storm]

SomeCustomSpringBeanAnnotationPostProcessor

[tropic flame]

if there's any other developer that goes by the nickname of Logics4 AND with the same project name as me then I'd rather have my app conflict with theirs and start a petty war with them

[wide chasm]

Most of the classes I see don't contain more than four or five words.

[magic river]

btw on a Fedora 35 Live USB instance when running gnome-terminal my system is using 671MB RAM

Didn't someone say KDE was ~600MB?

[tropic flame]

but idk

[wide chasm]

I mean, you're right that the package name convention has issues. E.g., what if you don't have a domain name (see every YT Bukkit tutorial ever made where people use me.devname.pluginname), but even with some of the other systems in use the package names are still quite long.

I used to use e-mail address in the past (I can be sure that that is unique to me), but Maven Central for example doesn't accept that.

[wet storm]

btw, why people use "me"?

[tropic flame]

that's also a point yeah

[tropic flame]

because I'm the developer, why wouldn't it be me?

I'm joking but i legit feel like this is their reasoning

i just made a basic GitHub Page so i could use io.github.logics4 and follow the convention

otherwise i wouldn't care

[glass crag]

its a nice domain thats less likely to be taken

[wet storm]

I too often see people naming their packages with "me", and idk why

[glass crag]

packages are based on domains, eg. papermc.io -> io.papermc

[wet storm]

I use "io" cuz input/output is cool

[glass crag]

io is expensive

[wide chasm]

I'm not sure how the tradition of using me in the Bukkit space started, but people kinda started doing it and it's now quite common.

[tropic flame]

~~also some domains are blacklisted in many places because elitism

my sweet .tk 😔~~

[glass crag]

im guessing its more likely spam/scams for .tk

[wet storm]

and... the most important question, why Aikar uses "co"?

[tropic flame]

I find it listed in Bukkit wiki

https://bukkit.fandom.com/wiki/Plugin_Tutorial_(Eclipse)

`No domain? Here are some common conventions

3. This is used by many plugin developers. For this, use the Java package me.<name>`

but the wording makes it sound like it started before the wiki

[wide chasm]

Yeah, the oldest commit by Adamski11s from 2011 already contained that in there.

Well, written differently, but the me. thing

[tropic flame]

could it have started with hMod?

[wet storm]

sounds like propaganda

[tropic flame]

and then just passed along to bukkit

[wide chasm]

Could be

[frank otter]

additionally I think students get me domains free from like GH student plan or something

[wide chasm]

Seems like the original tutorial from which the Bukkit wiki page came from is here: https://bukkit.org/threads/plugin-development-a-huge-tutorial.15167/. Dates match and the account has comments calling them "Adam".

Look who I found 🙂

[mental meadow]

nossr looking cute

[tropic flame]

interesting

have you heard of the seven seas, sir?

just kidding, i do not endorse it

[frank otter]

get hired as a teacher?

[magic river]

Wasn't education edition a classic clone written in python?

[tropic flame]

uh... a classic clone?

no, Amaranth, it's actually an official thing xd

[magic river]

Minecraft Classic, you probably weren't born yet 😛

[tropic flame]

it's based on the Bedrock codebase

I was

I just was more into flash games until like 2015

well i got to play GTA VC prior but then my pc was formatted and i lost it for a while :p

anyways it's a real thing

i just don't know why they'd want to use it since it's kind of a more locked down version (unless you use teacher mode)

maybe find a mod that adds the blocks from Education Edition into Java? idk @void void

[twin lagoon]

that's pi edition

[magic river]

Ah

[tropic flame]

I still got to try Minecraft Classic back when browsers still supported running Java through them

which was for a very short while from the moment i discovered it until they actually cut it tbh

hmm

[wide chasm]

Were there any kind of forums for hMod or something back in the day? I can't find anything, but I'm still curious about the me package name.

[tropic flame]

https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/support/server-support-and/1891855-lock-this-thread-hmod-thread

apparently it was http://forum.hey0.net ?

but you'll need to use the wayback machine for it because it's long gone

[wide chasm]

forum.hey0.net doesn't seem to contain anything from back then, at least nothing saved by wayback

[wet storm]

Lost piece of history😩

[plucky sparrow]

habbo .

[tropic flame]

not the original Habbo though, i probably played it for like one week until my friends found unofficial servers

from then on that was where the real fun began

oh and Club Penguin

[lunar lintel]

ive heard that paper isnt updating 1.17.1 anymore is this true?

[charred sleet]

yes

[plucky sparrow]

yea I mostly played unofficial hotels

[lunar lintel]

alr thanks

[quasi valley]

frog

https://i.imgur.com/Ls8Ewuh.png

@cedar spade

[viral hornet]

omg

hahahaha

[wet storm]

Everybody gangsta until jumping pufferfish appears

[silver nexus]

am i the only one who has never seen calcite generate in stony peaks like this?

i like it

but never noticed?

(snapshot btw)

[rancid void]

never seen what generate?

[viral hornet]

calcite

[rancid void]

I don't speak 1.17/18

[viral hornet]

ok?

[stuck lynx]

A nice white stone in 1.17/.18

[cedar spade]

Frog

[rancid void]

🐸

[stuck lynx]

Spot the difference

[quasi valley]

Probably squids or something

[stuck lynx]

Green wool drop

[viral hornet]

what version do you speak

[rancid void]

idk. maybe 1.16

you achieved C O M E D Y

I haven't been keeping up with changes as much for a while now

[stuck lynx]

Lol it's always funny checking mutual servers and realizing you're in another server with most people in here

Lol you are one of the people I don't share any with

I'm in 52

[viral hornet]

i'm in well over 100 now

need to clean asap

[void void]

Hello fellow mindustry player 👀

[worn ember]

Did someone say mindustry

[viral hornet]

no

[worn ember]

Ok bye then

[viral hornet]

ok

goodnight

[worn ember]

No u

[blazing stirrup]

does anyone know a good plugin for custom items?

no plugins like knokkos custom items and executable items work

i just was wondering if there was any other way

it conflicts with geysermc

[golden gust]

I mean

depends on your needs

but, any "custom item" plugin which does 'pretty' is gonna break on geyser

if you just want attributes on existing items in that game, that would work

[blazing stirrup]

i was thinking a plugin where I could put playerheads on the items

idk if thats too much to ask for

hm

maybe let me look it up

ok

ok

[calm plank]

any1 in here scripting alot?

im looking to pay good for some scripts

dm@

[golden gust]

This isn't the place for solicitation

no

[silver nexus]

remove the permission?

if im understanding the issue

this also sounds P2W

[golden gust]

I mean, if by "charge somebody", you mean, on a web store

[silver nexus]

no lol, i tend to avoid prison servers, as they tend to be p2w

[golden gust]

you configure that stuff on the web store

No idea then, probs deluxe menus or something

[warm anchor]

Yeah essentialsx

But you love cmi

So all hope is lost

[golden gust]

don't mention

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

depends on what you're doing

like, some stuff you can use a stupidly large cooldown

stop mentioning

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

welcome to the no support list

[warm anchor]

this guy

[golden gust]

Well, there is a rule

I'm also asking for a basic adjustment to your behavior to accomidate my disabilities

if you can't do that, I'm not willing to interact with you

the rules applied more generally

pinging and mentioning are considered interchangable words

[warm anchor]

Mention is ping on discord in case you don’t get it.

Ok he’s gonna be trolling

That’s not what’s being asked though

[golden gust]

and I asked you to not

[warm anchor]

If you can’t have basic respect and put it all in it being a habit of yours idk what to tell you

[golden gust]

if you don't want to do that, okay; I just won't bother providing support or whatever to you

[warm anchor]

You don’t have to be an older person to gain respect

It should automatically be applied to everyone

He did though from very beginning twice

Scroll up

You are the one continuing to make up excuse as why you dont want to do it

[silver nexus]

there needs to be a "don't be an ass" rule, as much as it shouldn't be needed

[proud lance]

or just stop being a cunt

not really

I respect cat and peoples time

[golden gust]

drop your attitude

[proud lance]

you come in here for support and are rude overall

because you are being one and I am calling you out because cat is too nice

[golden gust]

I mean, in general

[proud lance]

no

[golden gust]

Drop it.

I don't see where anybody harassed you

I told you to drop your attitude, and then I told people in general to drop it

You don't get to act like an ass and then cry about being called an ass

I mean, if we wanna enforce the rules down to a T, I can do that

I asked you multiple times not to ping, ping is generally accepted as another word for mention, if you didn't understand what I meant, you're more than welcome to ask instead of acting like an ass

But, this is the end of the discussion

[warm anchor]

[proud lance]

dont care

• L + ratio

[golden gust]

All of you, drop it.

[proud lance]

can you stop malding and pinging me

[golden gust]

You literally got told to drop it and are continuing on

!warn 321868514032091137 You've been told to drop it multiple times

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Warned SpicyChicken#3080 (You've been told to drop it multiple times) [2 total infractions] -- electronicboy#8869.

[golden gust]

He's not the one who brought it back up

final warning, drop it.

Drop. it.

[foggy silo]

Hello Paper general

[tropic flame]

i have this desk with a sliding compartment just for the keyboard and mouse and I realized the mousepad actually fits next to the keyboard in horizontal

I've been using it vertically for all this time

[vestal jasper]

PC cafe / lan player spotted

Oh the mousepad vertical?

[golden gust]

My landlord is pretty chill with me, known him for years

moved out of one of his student appartments to live with a friend for a few years, and moved into a "studio" appartment

He got me a desk, because he knows I have a proper PC and like, do a lot of stuff on it

and he got me a desk, with a SLIDE OUT DRAW

[proud lance]

hope you made him some minecraft plugins as thanks

[golden gust]

I mean, the draw is like, across the room cos it kinda encroached on me being a decent height, but, like, I kinda woulda liked having an actual mouse pad

[tropic flame]

wot, I've never seen those around here actually

[tropic flame]

yeah

and i just put it horizontally now because guess what, i can actually do that while still fitting the keyboard and the mousepad in

maybe this is why i've always sucked at FPS games

I'd set the sensitivity pretty high because my horizontal space was limited

[golden gust]

Y'all haven't lugged around a CRT and it shows

[tropic flame]

I have used a CRT monitor before

[brave mountain]

The best mousepad is my highschool diploma.

[tropic flame]

just didn't carry it by myself

at least you could use a CRT monitor to draw the outlines of something over it since the screen was literal glass

[vestal jasper]

I have more crts than space

[tropic flame]

with an LCD and a display basically made of plastic, it's hard

[vestal jasper]

I'm not playing older games with a flat screen it just looks off

[brave mountain]

Why the eyes emoji? I really don't care if you see 😆

[golden gust]

I mean, am glad that flat panels have taken off

[vestal jasper]

Eyes emoji = interest

[golden gust]

Like, especially as modern displays are nice af

But, like

[vestal jasper]

Not so much "let me see"

[golden gust]

you can't tell me that you don't miss the days of sitting around a screen going square eyes with the warm glowing glow of the CRT warming your heart

[vestal jasper]

L-listen I'm taken

[vestal jasper]

60khz hum. Hitting the side of the crt so it's quieter. Fuckin flyback transformers.

[tropic flame]

what kind of CRTs did y'all have lmfao you make it sound like they were nuclear generators

[vestal jasper]

Did I ping

[topaz river]

I want to try switching to Linux when I get my new framework laptop. Not agreeing with windows lately. Anybody have a preference over Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora? And why? (The distros I listed supposedly added better framework support)

[brave mountain]

Arch

Right away

[vestal jasper]

I was debating even using reply there

[topaz river]

Why? If I may

[brave mountain]

If you don't jump right to arch, you'll be distrohopping for long time

[golden gust]

nah, that didn't ping

[tropic flame]

I'm seriously considering if Compaq monitors weren't premium for their time because I don't remember my monitor being noisy at all

[vestal jasper]

Mint is cozy

[golden gust]

I mean, our screens where kinda small, and so we where often kinda close to them

[tropic flame]

it'd only make a noise when turning on, similar to a plastic bag being squished, but then it'd just be silent

[topaz river]

Why is that? What makes it better in your opinion?

[vestal jasper]

Ooo

[golden gust]

I mean, they didn't warm your face up directly, but, like, he had the CRT ontop of the drawers where our panties, I mean, boxers, where; and like, the small of the thing and the heat radiating up

only thing I wish we could leave out was the bloody flyback

[vestal jasper]

Arch is nice because I setup my own install. I know how it works. I know if something breaks I can Google the issue followed by "arch" and the wiki has an answer. I never have problems finding packages. Etc.

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScUjHWUL34

[topaz river]

I am using Ubuntu server already on my server, so I was planning on trying their desktop version. But if you say arch is better, I might try that first

[golden gust]

Arch is a weird one

[vestal jasper]

I won't say it's better

[golden gust]

Like, on one side, having experience with ubuntu in general is nicer because, it's gonna hold your hand a bit more while you figure stuff out

[brave mountain]

Look, if you don't have much experience with linux, Don't go arch, but if you would like freedom on software, take arch.

[golden gust]

I mean, evne in my "I can't be assed with linux" stuff, I use arch for my general dev VM because I can install the latest crap that I need

[peak ginkgo]

https://pop.system76.com/

[raven basin]

hello is there a way to make it so whenever a player joins your server they get a period of invicibility when they first join (because the texture pack has to apply and the player can easily get killed by mobs)

[peak ginkgo]

Once you Pop!_OS you can't Stop!_OS

[vestal jasper]

I won't say any distro is necessarily better than others. It's all mostly what works for you and you like. I like the headache of maintaining arch when I don't update it in weeks.

[golden gust]

ubuntu for servers, and quick VMs I just wanna mess around with something in, but, for arch just has a lot of stuff going for it in terms of being, generally, further ahead in terms of versioning

[brave mountain]

Pop os suffered recently for a LTT video.

[golden gust]

the AUR is something I know people often miss when they ditch arch cos they CBA maintaining it

[topaz river]

Watched that lol

[vestal jasper]

For a server I'd still use debian or Ubuntu over arch 100%

[warm anchor]

#paper-help and they already do get it. If it is not enough. Pay for better pc for them

[golden gust]

Like, the AUR is literally the biggest argument for arch

[topaz river]

I hear that all the time, that's why I use it on my server

AUR?

[vestal jasper]

Arch user repository

[golden gust]

Servers and rolling release is basically a disaster unless you have proper pinning

Like, a NixOS setup for RR would be nice

[raven basin]

it is not enough it takes like 5 seconds for the resource pack to load (and im on a R 5 3600 and a decent SSD) also were using custom mobs so thats probably the reason people get killed so easily

[golden gust]

but, I mean, who cares to deal with that

[raven basin]

Ill ask in help tho

[tropic flame]

Debian gang 😎

[brave mountain]

And arch wiki is the santo grial.

[raven basin]

youtube

[topaz river]

I have some experience with Linux, but would still consider myself a very beginner. I'll probably start with Ubuntu then as my server already runs it, and framework I hear lots of good stuff about Ubuntu and framework

[golden gust]

lol, I read a good quote recently

The arch wiki is the best linux guide wiki, that just happens to have a distro

[raven basin]

look up youtube guides there pretty decent and free

[topaz river]

Thanks for all the feedback! I'll try arch as well

[vestal jasper]

If I have an issue chances are the arch wiki has my back

[raven basin]

I wouldnt start out with C

[vestal jasper]

Also I like how every Linux convo eventually has to bring up arch

[golden gust]

I mean, you add it to the include/header path

[raven basin]

wait I read

that wrong

[brave mountain]

But you can't trust arch wiki guidelines will work with other distro, you have to research

[raven basin]

your trying to learn C and your already a java developer

my bad

[vestal jasper]

Easy solution

[golden gust]

libraries and C is one of the many fun issues which there is a few tools out there for dealing with that but it's not considered an entirely solved issue afaik

[vestal jasper]

:^) use arch

God I'm a stereotype

[raven basin]

If you get stuck I would ask people who are more experienced then you in coding discords , stack overflow , reddit etc

start low and work your way up

iirc C is easier then C++

[tropic flame]

C++ can be faster than C if you know what you're doing

[raven basin]

to learn

[brave mountain]

Stack overflow is good only if you answer is already there

[tropic flame]

the compiler can also perform more optimizations

because templates

uh no i was talking about C++

C doesn't have template programming

[warm anchor]

The proper way to get real answer from any online forum is talk like you know what you are doing and you will get people to dedicate a detailed reply as why you are wrong

[brave mountain]

C++ is really powerful with hardware stuff

[tropic flame]

but idk i personally started with Java and trying C means having to work with pointers and pointers are the devil's doing

[golden gust]

iirc, think generics

[tropic flame]

yeah, except more powerful because no type erasure

also aggressive inlining by the C++ compiler

[golden gust]

I mean, iirc, for the most part, C++ basically started as an extention to C

at least heavily inspired by

So, if you learn one, it's often fairly easy to jump between the two

[tropic flame]

outside of some almost irrelevant edge cases, your C code will compile under a C++ compiler

[golden gust]

I've seen arguments for starting with either or over the many years

well, not exactly

[brave mountain]

That's true, they have to know what you trying to do not just ambiguousness.

[golden gust]

java is on the steps to become self hosted

rust is self hosted

[tropic flame]

self-hosted?

there has to be C code somewhere though

unless they just compile java to native

[golden gust]

Please no mention

I wanna say that that was part of the graal stuff, or something

[proud lance]

self hosted, meaning no dependencies? not sure what self hosted means in this context

[golden gust]

self hosted as in, it's compiled within its own tooling

[tropic flame]

the better word imo would be "bootstrapped", as in a bootstrap compiler, a compiler that is written in the same language as the one you're compiling

it's the case with java already

[golden gust]

you compile the rust compiler with the rust compiler as it's written in rust

[tropic flame]

just not the JVM

[proud lance]

ah okay

I was like am I doing something illegal? I am already self hosting java apps

[golden gust]

tellin you

modern devs

r dum

Just wait till you find out

that websites aren't rendered in react

they're rendered in html!

runs

devs in 10 years; what's HTML?

[tropic flame]

😔

haha yes i just downloaded ReactElectronAngularJS and made my first hello world app that only needs 16GB ram to run

brrrrrrr

[golden gust]

well, we went from no common tooling towards having stuff like bootstrap

then we got spinoffs like material bootstrap, etc

I think that there was a newer alternative to bootstrap which was kinda taking off?

but, I mean, much stuff these days is common react components, etc

[raven basin]

why do you hate pings so much?

just wondering

[golden gust]

I have sight issues

I need glasses, but, pandemic and such associated issues

[raven basin]

wdym?

oh

[golden gust]

and then, I GOT A BLOODY EYE INFECTION

so, stuff is more blurry

[raven basin]

how does this relate

tho

to pings

[golden gust]

Because the highlight color makes stuff harder to read

[raven basin]

oh

[proud lance]

cat runs lightmode

[golden gust]

outside of it just being annoying when you're pinged in several places daily

[proud lance]

thats why

[raven basin]

sucks

[golden gust]

Nah, I use dark mode

[tropic flame]

I wish more websites would look unique instead of adapting the same minimalistic design

throw rocks at me if you wish but Bukkit snd spigot forums look unique enough that i could recognize them "on the distance" despite technically being considered "old"... because... i guess light effects and shadows and other stuff in buttons and separators just isn't the thing anymore

i like their design

[raven basin]

I use bd

[golden gust]

I also lovingly have sensitivety issues with my eyes, so with light mode I often have to blind myself to be able to see certain things

it's rly fun

[proud lance]

I like minimalism, but I dont like that people use 50 javascript scripts along with it

[raven basin]

yea

xenforo

[golden gust]

xenforo is kinda ass

[raven basin]

yes

so generic

[golden gust]

but, to be fair, idk a piece of forum software which isn't

[proud lance]

There aren't really many forum software options though

[raven basin]

I think it would be too hard to write your own forum software too

[tropic flame]

I'd rather have a website like Vimm's Lair all day

[golden gust]

I mean, most security issues with PHP stuff are people not understanding PHP

[proud lance]

it was like vBulletin, IPB, and Xenforo, excluding the niche ones

[golden gust]

I mean, forum software on the basis is trivial

it's all the extra stuff over the top of it

[proud lance]

paper forums were discourse

are

[golden gust]

e.g. rich text

we used discourse but dropped it

[raven basin]

yes php can be secure if you know how to use it the problem is its easy so many newbie programmers use it(because easy) and leave blatant security flaws

[proud lance]

yeah I see the link its xenforo now

I like the look

[golden gust]

Yea

https://forums.papermc.io

[raven basin]

bruh

[golden gust]

problem with PHP in part is that it's just stupidly designed

and then people do stupid shit

[raven basin]

cant you do everything with javascript that you can do with php

[proud lance]

no

[golden gust]

Well, yea, but a large part of it is rot and ecosystem

[raven basin]

its gonna take a while before its phased out

[proud lance]

I mean yeah, ignore me, I was comparing clientside js to php

[golden gust]

bearing in mind that PHP only in the past few years finally agreed to formalise a method naming pattern which is consistent across the board

[proud lance]

I forget server-side existed for like a 10 seconds there

[golden gust]

then theres just various dozen odd traps which you have to be aware of

e.g. methods which don't exactly act as you'd think

lack of missing sanity around integrating with some stuff so exec() calls are not as rare as you'd hope

[raven basin]

its easily exploitable by skid hackers too

[void void]

yeah if php weren't around it would be quite boring for security researchers / pentesters etc

[golden gust]

Composer is only 10 years old

laravel, 11

symfony is from 2006, but, I didn't recall hearing much about it until like, 2012ish

[raven basin]

LOL WTF

1520 lines

for a login page

[golden gust]

Like, I think that PHP frameworking is something which is only kinda relatively recent in the scope of things

[raven basin]

LOL

[golden gust]

which is why you see stuff like WP which doesn't really use anything

[raven basin]

I made a login page in php

Its easy if you don't care about getting exploited

[golden gust]

?><html here cos yolo><?php

[tropic flame]

8-space indentation?

kill me

now

[golden gust]

tabs

[tropic flame]

can't really see, they're all transparent to me

and spaces are superior so i default to spaces

anyways why

[golden gust]

like, much of this was pre-templating too

and, mirating codebases like WP over to a templating engine would be a nightmare

so everything all around the place is basically just PHP code shitting out html

everything is overly commented because it's the only sane way to deal with some of this mess

no real sanity around objects so stuff is often just tossing arbitary arrays around

like, classes are still a somewhat new addition in the scope of things

the type system is generally a joke and IDE integration with that is often shaky af

[cosmic raft]

hello from the airport

[golden gust]

PHP parser itself is often a headache and so shit can just randomly break due to path issues and general sensitivety there

Like, I love PHP for how easy it is to just throw crap out into a web brower, but god can it be a bloody horrible language to work with

[raven basin]

what other language would you say would be better then php

[golden gust]

To be fair, for websites? they all kinda suck

it's why everything these days is templating and frameworked to all shit

[raven basin]

Bloated asf

Ik

[golden gust]

much f the merits for X a lang these days is down to the ecosystem and tooling surrounding it

[warm anchor]

[raven basin]

its kind of a nice flex to have a website that loads fast on a 100 kbps connection

and then theres some people with websites that are like 30 mb and take like 5 minutes to load 🤢

[golden gust]

god, I remember the old days

when the standard was to basically design for 800x600, and dialup

nowadays it's like, everything has to be HD

Like, remember the snow.js phase of the internet?

[raven basin]

I used to main a mobile hotspot and whenver I hit the data cap it was like dial up

I would get 100000 ms on mc servers lol

now I have fiber 250 down 250 up

[golden gust]

damn, I remeber using broadband for the first time 😄

being amazed at how stuff like, instantly loaded

[raven basin]

I lived in a rural area

[golden gust]

It felt like, you'd never have towait for a page toload ever again

[raven basin]

thats why I used hotspot

[golden gust]

and then the modern web happened

[raven basin]

next thing you know web pages are gonna be rendering like hd 3d models lmfao

someday there might be ps3 emulators that work in browser

[golden gust]

I mean

when we're at the point where web pages basicallly need the resource requirements to do that just for the advertising, why not

[raven basin]

metaverse moment

the metaverse sounds like a HORRIBLE idea

just zucc's plan to control the world if he can't control the real one

[proud lance]

facebook is public so they have to innovate to keep stock price up

and I am sure the recent issues aren't helping

[still bluff]

are you need hosting cpanel free

I can give you

[raven basin]

Dont advertise dumbass

[proud lance]

sir this is a minecraft discord server

[still bluff]

Yeah

hosting run server minecraft and web

[raven basin]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-drinking-apple-cider-throw-rude-gif-22031991

[still bluff]

ok

[raven basin]

Ben is a severe alcoholic

Ben is a domestic abuser he beats tom

https://tenor.com/view/your-league-of-legends-account-has-been-successfully-created-league-of-legends-buff-fat-meme-gif-23988446

hash?

where

[golden gust]

You know

the internet is really a sad place these days

https://leekspin.com

cert expired, gotta press a button

[raven basin]

Use cloudflare

My computer time is wrong

but whenever I set it to right time

I cant use any https website

because the certificate gets fucked up for some reason

background url

lmfao

[golden gust]

OML

THE IMAGE

IS BASE64

[raven basin]

no I dont think so

why is paper 1.16.5 support dropped

1.17 and 1.18 are not stable enough for production

not compared to 1.16

[golden gust]

Because we don't wanna maintain multiple versions at once as we have enough issues as is?

Not been having any issues with 1.17 tbqh

[proud lance]

this was peak websites

where you had to submit your site to a database

before crawlers existed

[raven basin]

before bloated js

[graceful wyvern]

leekspin doesnt work on safari anymore 😦

sad times

[raven basin]

imagine being so poor you mine on peoples pc using monero js miner

?

[lilac moon]

my websites work without JS :)

[raven basin]

I dont see anything?

Nah ip isnt anything special

plus whos gonna do anything bad in this discord

i dont have beef with anyone

[proud lance]

I just use fast.com

idk if it can do 10Gb tho

[raven basin]

I mean my router has dos protection anyways

[proud lance]

it doesnt

unless you own like a several thousand dollar router

[raven basin]

most routers have dos protection not DDOS protection

its not hard to block DOS attacks

all of cloudflare won't go down

tho

they have multiple server locations

when?

Some websites might stop working

[lilac moon]

They broke their DNS one time

Which took basically everything down temporarily

[golden gust]

I mean, CF has done down before

AWS is in the same boat

[lilac moon]

Yeah

[proud lance]

I mean thats kinda the nature of anything, if you ran your own DNS servers your DNS servers going down would be your single point of failure

nothing is 100% resiliant

[raven basin]

^

pandemic

pandemic

some stocks were bad

[golden gust]

another 2 weeks to slow the spread

[raven basin]

some ogod

good

during pandemic

[golden gust]

tech in general had a boom during the pandemic, especially as "open dates" where pushed back, and various things like movies and such starting to hit streaming first, etc

[raven basin]

discord is kinda cringe ngl

Slack > Discord

[golden gust]

Like, the pandemic saw a good number of "direct to streaming" releases which pulled movie goers towards netflix/amazon, etc

spotify had rogan

in general stocks where just going up and various things during that time helped boost a good few stocks

[raven basin]

yeah but how many people use it?

[golden gust]

and then now that stuff is opening up, those bubbles popped

[raven basin]

rope stocks went up during the pandemic unfortuanetly

[golden gust]

reminds me of the dead rising logo 😄

I played that years ago but got pulled out of it cos of work

was actually a pretty alright game

[lilac moon]

Oh god not that

[golden gust]

just last I tried it had gotten buggy af

Like, crashing out here and there, which, I never recalled it doing in the past

or, wait, no

I mean dead island, not deard rising

[raven basin]

I dont get why telegram is still used by hackers

[lilac moon]

they're all just discord clones that don't really improve on anything apart from them not being discord

[tropic flame]

imagine going all out with your money

[lilac moon]

That's a complete joke

[pale river]

yolo

[tropic flame]

lol if you want a decentralized chat then use Matrix

[raven basin]

found that on the post

[lilac moon]

Matrix is pretty terrible too, I used to run a homeserver

Its so resource hungry

[tropic flame]

I'm gonna be the insensitive piece of shit and say that one was deserved

[lilac moon]

I don't know

[tropic flame]

next time don't go all out with your monetary posessions

[raven basin]

wait

[proud lance]

they just need to make a discord client where you can self host instances

[tropic flame]

the server or the client?

[lilac moon]

Server

Element is pretty meh

That's the main client

[raven basin]

https://getsession.org/ this is pretty good decent chat app

[tropic flame]

i mean... I'd say that's to be expected of modern applications

[lilac moon]

Yeah

[tropic flame]

• there's encryption on the mix too, IRC doesn't have to deal with that

[proud lance]

where you can join someones private discord or public ones like this

[lilac moon]

But 2 GiB minimum to join some public rooms on a homeserver

[proud lance]

option to self host

[lilac moon]

Nah the home server doesn't deal with encryption, its client side

[raven basin]

session is better then signal its a fork

of signal

[lilac moon]

Plus the encryption in matrix is very lackluster

It doesn't encrypt barely anything

[golden gust]

they're still tryna ban encryption

[lilac moon]

Government is crazy

[raven basin]

session is still better then signal

and phone number

yeah but im p sure they got it they use ur phone number to verify your account

Ik Ive watched it before

his black deepfake 💀

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

FBI after failing

to

backdoor your pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSsvzBV0tyI

"Decrypted H T M L Source code"

even if it was encrypted leaving ssns on the index lol

[lilac moon]

I've seen the actual news report for that

I don't like to watch that guy

[raven basin]

did you want to commit suicide after seeing it

cuz I got pretty close

[lilac moon]

what is that

Idk what that is

[raven basin]

old people shouldn't be politicians

Joe Biden Trump they all suck

I say

we need

presidents around 40-50

years old

still competent people

thats the problem

thats an L

Windows 11 is so disgusting 🤢

it looks they literally added 2 things

[lilac moon]

Centered d taskbar and explorer ads

[cunning raft]

perfect discussion

@waxen panther, yes?

[waxen panther]

what the children talkin about today

lots of words

cant really find a topic though, i'll leave it to the professional ( @cunning raft )

[lilac moon]

Whar

[raven basin]

windows 10 honestly looks so gross

[lilac moon]

What do you like then

[raven basin]

Mac and some linux distro

[silver nexus]

Mac OS looks nice

[lilac moon]

True

KDE looks good

I think I'm going to try out KDE + Wayland + nvidia

[tropic flame]

Wayland

[lilac moon]

better than xorg

since i want to have two monitors with different dpis

only way to do it in xorg is through a sort of hack

[left swift]

@waxen panther

[floral mesa]

Wayland is still partly broken on kde.

Nevermind the lack of a primary monitor designation

[raven basin]

ew pokimane emoji

[spare venture]

@left swift 🧑‍🌾

[blissful thicket]

Hi @rose nova can u send me a friend request?

[pastel reef]

What's the recommended RAM usage for a Minecraft client?

Better way to put it, by which point is there no performance benefit?

[pale river]

Idk 4 GB is fine

[blissful thicket]

2gb

1.8.8

[pale river]

The GC used is also important.

ZGC and Shenandoah are smoother than G1GC on the client

[blissful thicket]

+8

[raven basin]

^ Unless modded

but 2 gb 12 render distance optifine is fine

[thorny totem]

Using 2GB on a 1.18.1 fabric client, no issues whatsoever (optifabric/optifine)^^ WIsh I had voxelmap, dev is inactive :x

[magic river]

eww, optifine

[limpid knot]

Any of you wanna travel in a RV

[pastel reef]

My Laptop really doesn't like going below 4GB

[raven basin]

"eww, optifine' this guy

[magic river]

Sodium is cleaner, faster, and doesn't try to sell capes

[raven basin]

whats wrong with selling capes

also Optifine has way more support with shaders and community

[magic river]

EULA, afaik

[raven basin]

how does that violate the eula

[magic river]

From the very start of MC the one rule was don't sell capes

[raven basin]

proof?

[magic river]

Fucking kids these days

Of course the URLs have changed 20 times

[raven basin]

then literally all the pvp clients are breaking the eula then ig

I don't think mojang would really care anyways even if they actually started enforcing the EULA

Its selling a cape as a donation unlike the servers where you can buy 300$ kits

[magic river]

Here is people freaking out about Mojang clarifying this is something they're looking at for enforcement https://hypixel.net/threads/breaking-april-9th-capes-not-allowed-mojang-eula-update-bombshell.2752250/

[raven basin]

also techinically spigot and paper / bukkit also break the eula iirc

doesn't mean its bad tho

[magic river]

Apparently the clear wording that capes weren't allowed wasn't in the old EULAs, just a part of a blanket statement

I remember digging in to this in like 2013

[raven basin]

wdym

[magic river]

Spigot violates copyright, not EULA 😛

[raven basin]

I think thats worse lol

[magic river]

It's a grey area whether or not it's actually copyright infringement

CraftBukkit definitely was, Spigot and Forge and such might be

[raven basin]

If mojang were to take it down though the backlash from the community would be too severe

[magic river]

Here is notch saying you can't sell capes, back when he was relevant https://twitter.com/notch/status/476477273424789504

Notch (@notch)

We are going to specifically exclude capes, as we like the special place they have. Add another decorative new item instead of capes.

Likes

284

Twitter · Jun 10, 2014, 9:33 PM

[raven basin]

I feel bad for notch

[magic river]

Before this their EULA didn't really allow you to sell anything, except for access to your code/server

So when they started enforcing the EULA they also changed it to allow selling cosmetics but made it clear capes weren't a part of the allowed cosmetics

[raven basin]

gn

[magic river]

Oh joy optifine still routes you through a malware distributor to download it

[wet storm]

How? Doesn't it license only patches like paper?

[vernal moth]

People need to understand that what they think is the EULA is actually the commerical usage guidelines, lol
Eula has never defined any of this

The commerical usage guidelines straight up ban capes

[magic river]

I swear it used to be explicitly in the TOS too but I'm probably just remembering a comment from notch or Dinnerbone on reddit or something

[vernal moth]

[you may] sell cosmetic entitlements, except for "Capes," which we define as anything that attempts to visually emulate the feature of a Minecraft player Cape.

That's a quote from the CUG

[magic river]

By used to be I mean in the 2010-2014 time period

Back when it was TOS and not EULA 😛

[vernal moth]

Not the TOS or EULA

But the CUG also they you must advertise FCC compliant (aka influencers need to disclose sponsorship) and everybody sure is doing that, lol

[cosmic raft]

hello from a plane

[worn crest]

hello from a train

[wet storm]

If mcp mods were modified reobfuscated minecraft classes, did they vioalte mojang copyright? (If I correctly understand what a copyright is)

[vernal moth]

You only shipped modified classes and copy pasted them into the vanilla jar

Oh and don't forget to delete meta-inf (aka the jar signature)!

So you could make an argument of it being fair use

Similar how our patches contain Mojang code and that's prolly fair use

[limpid knot]

i need a chair

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08D6HGS7T/ref=crt_ewc_img_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AOB4YFGB2BYQ2

how this one look guys

[golden gust]

I mean, I'd personally avoid meshs

[warm anchor]

that looks like shit but if that's your budget go ahead.

anything under $300 ish dont really have any difference. They just look fancier one way or the other

[limpid knot]

recommend me one then please

[magic river]

Under about $500 just get the cheapest thing that looks like it'll feel good, you'll probably be replacing it in a year or two anyway

Well, maybe $300 is a better line but I've seen some trash at that price

Like, the same chair as your $80 thing but all fancied up so it looks premium

[urban depot]

can anyone use anything to bypass paper's anti-xray?

[magic river]

Until my current chair I always just bought a new $100 chair every 1-3 years

[golden gust]

Yes, but a competent anti-cheat can thwart most attempts to bypass it

[magic river]

I'm hoping this one will last long enough to make the extra price worth it, it's supposed to but we'll see

Oh I guess it was $150 but it's $200 now

[warm anchor]

Amaranth got the idea

anything below that price point is just you paying for their martketing

[magic river]

I wouldn't buy the $200 chair anymore, that's too expensive for a disposable item

[warm anchor]

yall chair destroyer or something chair is NOT a disposable item to me

[magic river]

Or rather at that point I'd start looking up to the $300 range

[coarse lily]

Sometimes you can get decent ones used from business sales/liquidations, too.

[warm anchor]

^

[coarse lily]

Chairs that used to be like $800+ going for like ~$200

[magic river]

I am a very tall and very large man, chairs weep when I sit on them 😛

[warm anchor]

or if you are ballsy enough, you can roll your boss's office chair home

😉

[coarse lily]

Ha

[void void]

Welcome back ocelot

[vernal moth]

can somebody who is good at svg fix this for me? lol

<svg viewBox="0 0 1200 218">
  <path d="M0 218h1200v-61.3l-40 0,961 V 0,480 C 268.5,456.5 537,433 857,433 C 1177,433 1548.5,456.5 1920,480 C 1920,480 1920,961 1920,961 Z"/>
</svg>

browser throws Error: <path> attribute d: Expected number, "…-61.3l-40 0,961 V 0,480 C 268.5,…".
I think its complaining about the moveto command but idfk why

[vernal moth]

?

[golden gust]

218h1200v-61.3l-40

I mean

am not an SVG pro

but, at least, that's the point that it's complaining about

and, from a skim of the thing, that block just looks, wrong?

[visual creek]

It’s an ad for a Microsoft service

In the file explorer

At the top

[vernal moth]

it renders right tho cat 😄

[vernal moth]

already reverted, never shipped, why waste energy on it?

[golden gust]

Yea, that's the thing

I converted it into something it doesn't complain about

and it broke

[visual creek]

Oh good

[left swift]

[ashen cliff]

Good thing the Enterprise version doesn't have ads... oh wait.

[vernal moth]

idk why people have so much problems with stuff

I never seen an ad in windows

idk if people dont read the settings on install or whatever

[warm anchor]

Do you count urging you to update to windows 11 as ads?

[mossy vessel]

I mean, you/it omitted the classifier for an svg browsers can look for e.g. xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" smh

[vernal moth]

its a minimal example

<svg class="fill-background-light-10 h-240px min-w-full" dark="fill-background-dark-80" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 1200 218" preserveAspectRatio="none"><path d="M0 218h1200v-61.3l-40 0,961 V 0,480 C 268.5,456.5 537,433 857,433 C 1177,433 1548.5,456.5 1920,480 C 1920,480 1920,961 1920,961 Z"></path></svg>

happy?

lol

[mossy vessel]

I mean, without certain browsers wont display it lol

iirc, edge and chrome never got around to smart detect em

Yeah, it just displays the xml on chrome lmao

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[mossy vessel]

good morning

[twin lagoon]

https://eco.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/?xtor=CS1-2-[ie_int_2022_ovh_enterprise_managedbaremetal_Eco_Range_awareness_reach]-[dimg_social_1080x1080_V1] seems like OVH is slowly merging kimsufi & SYS

[lavish compass]

hm didn't even know about kimsufi before now

[twin lagoon]

that's because KS isn't worth looking at

the only reason people use them at this point is seedboxes

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/node-ipc/issues/233

kekw

asshole maintainer added https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/peacenotwar to popular lib

[visual creek]

whats the best way to setup an environment for resource pack dev, rn we have a repo with all the other git and worflow junk and a "Pack" directory for the assets png and mcmeta stuff. This works great, but when working with block bench and using vanilla resources we have to manually edit the model.json to put the block/red_concrete.png or whatever. If we just include the vanilla assets directory in the root of the repo and gitignore it it works, but now blockbecnh tries to do vanilla-assets:blocks/red_con...

Whats the best way to do this, do we just have to have the textures folder in the root of the repo? Thanks

[vernal moth]

https://snyk.io/blog/peacenotwar-malicious-npm-node-ipc-package-vulnerability/

good rundown

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder to not use Node.

[vernal moth]

its npm

not node

[void void]

Daily reminder to versionlock your dependencies

[vernal moth]

^

[ashen cliff]

No need for npm, if you don't use node.

[vernal moth]

uuhmm

thats pretty false

[ashen cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Then again, version locking is probably also not a good idea.

[vernal moth]

why?

[ashen cliff]

Vulnerabilities mostly.

Let's say something like Log4j happens again and you were locked on a very old version...
Now after a bunch of years, you are forced to update it and somewhere in the middle the API changed and you have no idea what changed and how.

[vernal moth]

well, of course you gotta regularly update your dependencies

we do every other spring at work

you also never get major updates automatically, even if you dont lock

thats not how this works

[ashen cliff]

Depends on the lib I guess.

[vernal moth]

if you not follow semver you should be executed on the stop

[ashen cliff]

I'll call the French museum for the guillotine.

[neon bramble]

Cat, why do you hate pings so much?

[neon bramble]

Iirc NPM is also used on the frontend side of things

[vernal moth]

the color discord uses makes it impossible for him to read the message

[neon bramble]

Oh God you hate it too?

[ashen cliff]

You get used to it.

https://posili.me/i/Vii8Hr8t-2022-03-17_11-00-07.png

[neon bramble]

That kinda makes sense. Thanks, I really wouldn't figure that out without you. (No sarcasm intended)

[neon bramble]

Idk I just don't care.
Someone pings me -> I read it and then answer

[wet storm]

It reminds of a server I worked on where we had a discord bot for logs in some channel, if some exception occured this bot pinged all developers, it really motivated us to make our code less buggy...

[neon bramble]

Couldn't that be solved with some browser extension tho?

[vernal moth]

using the browser client

also, modifying discord is a TOS violation

[neon bramble]

Ikr yikes, but it ain't that bad

[ashen cliff]

When you get around 30 pings per day, work with clients, work for work and have to do other stuff, it gets a bit annoying.

I need help FAST!
And they didn't even read the error msg.

[vernal moth]

only 30? 😄

[neon bramble]

Technically speaking, yes. But I don't think someone would ban him for that.