general

[twin lagoon]

well yes but naturally

oh no it is enderman teleport with a lower pitch

@vital thistle /playsound minecraft:entity.enderman.teleport master @p ~ ~ ~ 1 0.5

[vital thistle]

Got it, thank you very much!

[spare venture]

oh damn the new horizon came out today?

games being $70 now makes me sad

[magic river]

Just get the PS4 version for $60

It has a free upgrade to PS5

Future games will be $10 upgrade though

[spare venture]

only option is PS5 version

[magic river]

Gotta do it on the website

If you do it on PS5 they hide the PS4 version

[minor fjord]

wait did you guys make waterfall and velocity?

i always thought they were competing products

well, as "competing" as it gets with foss anyway

[magic river]

Waterfall is to Bungeecord as Paper is to Spigot, Velocity is a from scratch alternative

[minor fjord]

ahh. I'd imagine the reccomendation is use velocity if you dont specifically need bungee then

[magic river]

Faster, supposedly has a better plugin API, etc but no compatibility with Bungeecord plugins

Pretty much

If you're making your own plugins you should use velocity, if you aren't you should see if you can do what you want with available velocity plugins and use waterfall or bungeecord if not

[minor fjord]

I've been using velocity for a while, its probably about 50/50 with making my own plugins and using existing ones but all the existing ones I use support velocity

[golden gust]

velocity was seperate but the guy who started it was the guy who started waterfall; I was bitching about maintaining waterfall and such and then started the "how hard can it be" or something like that, and thus, somebody with experience with netty started making a new proxy taking the lessons from the past far too many years

[potent wedge]

So you caused the start of velocity? Thank u bro that's my favorite proxy

[potent wedge]

Someone added that, just get the speedbungue or whatever plugin

[magic river]

https://forums.papermc.io/threads/snap-run-bungeecord-plugins-on-velocity.31/

That's from our IRC bot 😛

https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1494213855387734019

Hector Martin (@marcan42)

Well, this is unfortunate. It turns out Apple's custom NVMe drives are amazingly fast - if you don't care about data integrity.

If you do, they drop down to HDD performance. Thread.

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[lilac moon]

nice

[solid siren]

any idea why ping suddenly high in minecraft

my friend has the same ping as me but when he updated java he's ping goes back to normal

we have same isp

[warm anchor]

🤷‍♂️

[dawn pond]

hey

does anyone know anything about ddos protection for dynmap

[potent wedge]

Cloudflare

[radiant oriole]

It’s a joke

The guy barely knows what he’s doing, teaches things incorrectly, and everything you can learn in there can be learned for free by just reading the documentation, watching the free content available on YouTube, and using the free trial of jetbrains academy. And it’ll be higher quality too.

I’ve seen the content firsthand and it’s a meme

Why would I purchase it if I’ve seen the content and know it’s a worthless joke

[ripe sphinx]

His "Foundation" lib is FOSS, and is utter crap

And given his lessons center around it...

[radiant oriole]

Why would I do a Q&A call when the guy is a proven moron and you can get a proper Q&A session from respectable developers here and in other discords areas whatever hour of the day you want?

Specifically I’ve seen a bunch of the “learn NMS” content, which is outdated even to 2 years ago’s standards and in many cases is incomplete or just plain wrong information. I recall at one point he just said “oh yeah I don’t actually know what these variables do, just ignore them”

Spend your money how you want, but this guy’s shit course is an absolute joke.

[next frost]

You‘re better off with a course created by people who know programming

[radiant oriole]

^ lmfao

[vernal moth]

You are not gonna hear good things about that asshole here

[next frost]

If you want to waste your money, go on

[vernal moth]

So let's just stop

[radiant oriole]

Are you trying to shill for the guy? Lol

[ripe sphinx]

I haven't wasted my money, no, but think about it. If code he's written is crap, then how can his lessons possibly be good

[vernal moth]

He is not worth discussing

[ripe sphinx]

Sorry mini, was still typing when you asked to stop

[radiant oriole]

We’ve seen without purchasing.

We know what you get access to and it’s garbage. People have leaked it to us and it’s horrid.

[magic river]

Begone, shill

[radiant oriole]

When he was sent feedback he threatened to sue people lmao

[ripe sphinx]

Bukkit API, thus GPL and right to distribute

[vernal moth]

!kick 482140050855821358 begone, kangaroooo shill

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked john_de__woll🥤#5147 (begone, kangaroooo shill) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[radiant oriole]

Consuming isn’t a violation, distribution is. Get your facts straight.

LMAO

[magic river]

That's not how that works, it just means you're both violating someone else's license 😛

[ripe sphinx]

eh that whole inheritance is a mess

[vernal moth]

You guys get baited too easily

[magic river]

I threatened to pull that one back in the day because they were violating my license

[ripe sphinx]

I would both be curious and terrified to know what the result would be if (god forbid) that ever ended up in court

[vernal moth]

Oh I would love to see the world burn

[magic river]

If they had decent lawyers you'd lose and be out whatever they could convince a judge they would have made if you didn't make them lose X customers for Y dollars each

[radiant oriole]

I asked a copyright lawyer about this a few months back and his opinion on it was that bukkit’s GPL license would null the license of any infringing plugin, but infringing on the infringing plugin’s license is not advisable because unless you can prove that bukkit’s license applies, then you’re liable for damages.

[magic river]

X*Y would be way less than the lawyers though 😛

[ripe sphinx]

hmm ok seems reasonable

[worn ember]

dammit i missed the drama

i was in the mood for some roasted kangaroo

[magic river]

This is giving me real motivational speaker vibes

Why are you defending and know so much about someone and something you apparently haven't been involved with yet?

You started this charade looking for input on if it was worth it

[snow kernel]

so are you convinced to try his course now?
@void void

seems like you already made up your mind :)

[magic river]

Problem there is the people who hang out in #general either know what they're doing (and thus know about the quality of his stuff) or have no interest in programming. The place you might find people learning is #paper-dev but asking such questions there isn't allowed

Basically this was pointless no matter what you were trying to do

Unless your goal was to quote mine some victimhood

[vernal moth]

When I tell you to drop a topic, you don't just come back and continue

It's too early for trolls

All am gonna say is there is a reason that that person is banned from all major communities

[fierce cove]

Does anyone know of a plugin that would be used for survival island that basically just doesn’t let you touch water and use certain commands? Or is there a way to make something like this with permissions?

[vernal moth]

I would just use world guard

Can set a region players can't leave and can deny some commands in the region

[fierce cove]

Okay, thats a good point actually. Thank you ^^

[worn ember]

@vernal moth how was the storm in German country yesterday?

[vernal moth]

Funny that you ask, am cycling around my hood to access the damage right now

See that tree? That's the worst I saw

Up north it was way worse

Cause the see did a flood wave

[worn ember]

We have damage to the roofs of our stables and a tree that's snapped in half

[vernal moth]

But nobodies hurt?

[worn ember]

The tree fell on the graveyard

They were already dead lol

But yeah no one's hurt

[vernal moth]

Fair enough

Today is a paradise for dogs

Cause there's like little sticks everywhere

[worn ember]

Lmao

[vernal moth]

This one dog I saw was running from stick to stick finding the nicest one 😂

[worn ember]

Haha 🤣🤣

[vernal moth]

It's still really windy tho, didn't expect that

Else I would have cycled the other direction or something, lmao

[worn ember]

Yeah it's gonna get worse in the afternoon again

Up to 80km/h

[vernal moth]

Yeah it's gonna rain here in a couple of hours that's why I left so early

But it's so beautiful here

[worn ember]

Yeah it's nice rn. Other than it being windy

[vernal moth]

It's kinda funny, this has been my favorite stop since forever basically, ask teenagers we would come here to get drunk and stuff, it's where I smoked my first joint

And it's right in the middle between my flat and my parents house, so I can still come here after I moved out

Oh and there's wifi 😂

[worn ember]

Nice

[vernal moth]

Wat

Uuh, the restaurant behind me started playing music

Guess am gonna stay longer

[magic river]

I just spent at least 20 of the last 24 hours playing Forbidden West

I need to go collapse now 😛

Well, the game was open that long anyway, probably knock a few hours off for random conversions on Discord or dealing with work stuff

[worn ember]

Very productive it seems

[vernal moth]

Trees are rude

I do love cologne tho

[worn crest]

climb the tree

[ashen cliff]

Jump the tree.

[vernal moth]

I had to, with my bike

Next week is carnival, can't wait

Still different but maybe more open than last year

[pallid edge]

Make some cringy tiktoks and hope that tiktok doesn't shadowban you

[full hamlet]

[164.492s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.

How do I fix that

[novel horizon]

Do you use pterodactyl or so? @full hamlet

[full hamlet]

Yh

[novel horizon]

Then ask there

[full hamlet]

Wisp panel

[full hamlet]

Ok

[novel horizon]

Need to increase the limit in config

.env file maybe, not sure now

[pallid edge]

Sneaking in front of some kids in F5 with a derp face skin, dropping them full netherite gear

[void void]

It's in the wings config

[novel horizon]

/etc/pterodactyl/config.yml

I think it's container_pid_limit

[void void]

Which is better? Aikar's flags or enabling ZGC?

[ashen cliff]

Depends.

[meager tusk]

Fact.

[teal crane]

What word do y'all use to refer to the minecraft game server itself? In my code I call the proxies "proxy" and the network "network", but I don't have a great name for paper. I currently use "paper" but one of my devs suggested we use a fork so that would make "paper" unusual

[ashen cliff]

Server. 🛌

[teal crane]

Yeah, that might work

I just don't want to be ambiguous between the proxy server, game server, database server

[vernal moth]

Backend also works

[teal crane]

maybe

Time to convert my whole codebase to a language that has a better word 😄

[glass crag]

think you said it yourself just there

[vernal moth]

Naming thing is hard

[glass crag]

game or game server 😄

[teal crane]

I think I'm going with "game"

Sorry for weird question 😄

[void void]

Depends on what?

[ashen cliff]

Everything.
Server specs, player count, plugins, trash.

[left swift]

weather

global political climate

[ashen cliff]

As well.

That 2°C at Hetzner HQ can nuke my ZGC setup.

[void void]

bruh

[void void]

bruh

but you said "my ZGC setup"

then you are using ZGC

[left swift]

if u dont know the difference between zgc and the aikar flags use the aikar flags

[frank otter]

I've heard that zgc's performance can even depend on aikar's mood at any given moment

[ashen cliff]

You don't even know the half of it.

[void void]

Aikar is based on G1GC

[left swift]

yes

[void void]

ZGC is well... ZGC

[frank otter]

to improve performance of aikar's flags sacrifice steak

[left swift]

facts

95% of the time you should use aikar flags

5% if you are krusic

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

[ruby iron]

Aikars on forge

[void void]

I heard there are a lot of improvements made by ZGC and I heard somebody really improved their server performance by using it.

[ashen cliff]

I did so much testing with ZGC that the best thing I can recommend to you: Do your own testing.

Yeah, no.

[void void]

I already used Aikar's flags for a long time

[ashen cliff]

No idea what TF they did between 13 and 14, but god damn did they F up ZGC.

[void void]

That's why I'm asking how ZGC works

[left swift]

i heard somebody tell me that the world was gonna roll me

[void void]

bruh

[left swift]

I wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed

[void void]

then gonna switch to G1GC back

now

another groundbreaking question

Which is better?

Aikar's flags or ShenandoahGC?

[ashen cliff]

ZGC, if you can get it to work for you.

Shen.

[left swift]

the river?

[twin lagoon]

best option is epsilongc

[void void]

oh god your pp

i literally memorised your pp

[twin lagoon]

always good to hear that people memorise my pp

[left swift]

[void void]

explain

[ashen cliff]

This video should explain it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpGqo8DmjN8

[void void]

wtf

[smoky cloud]

Finally switched to Borg for backups

Let's see how much that saves me on storage

[worn crest]

a lot

[smoky cloud]

So now my backups don't go beyond Oracle's free tier

[rare python]

?

[left swift]

[worn ember]

[void void]

this is absolutely terrifying

[red timber]

if you have plenty of duplicate data then a lot

storing 5tb worth of backups into few hundred gigabytes is amazing

if you are using zfs then i have a set of scripts to back up snapshots into borg repositories: https://github.com/mikroskeem/zorg

[worn ember]

still didnt drop it

[warm anchor]

Claimed to be an adult but cannot follow simple request to drop a topic that no one wants to talk about

[vernal moth]

There is a big community here that holds together and defends the community against assholes with shitty motives that just wanna exploit and scam children

Idk why you up kangraoooos ass so much but this is the last time I wanna hear that name from you, this isn't the place to discuss him

[smoky cloud]

Unfortunately it’s XFS but I was thinking of just creating a reflink of the directory I wanted to backup and then shoving that into Borg

[red timber]

yep that works just ok

alternatively if you have LVM set up then you could use its snapshotting logic

[radiant oriole]

Phoenix

If people are asking for performance help

Odds are they’re running below 20 tps

Which means that disabling timings WILL HELP THEM.

[limber knot]

ok so you disable timings, now what?

their tps is still bad

and no way to fix the actual problem

amazing

👏

[radiant oriole]

Spark so the way to fix the problem

Timings half the time doesn’t provide anywhere near enough detail to fix the problem anyways

[limber knot]

ok but why not just fix the problem in the first place?

lol

[radiant oriole]

Timings is more often than not completely useless in fixing problems

[limber knot]

then you either don't know how to read timings or choose to ignore it

[left swift]

what is this conversation lmao

[radiant oriole]

I choose to ignore it because it’s inaccurate and simply disabling it fixes the performance issue at least partially in literally every case

[left swift]

u cant have problems if you dont read reports

[limber knot]

fixing the performance issues that timings points out will solve your issues

if you still have performance issues after timings says that it's fine then your hardware is simply too weak

[radiant oriole]

Timings points out broad areas, it doesn’t pinpoint specific issues.

Example. “Tracker stage 2”

[limber knot]

yes, timings is a tool for end-users, not developers that are able to modify plugin/server code

[radiant oriole]

That’s all the detail you get. When in reality that’s usually dominated by plugins that are listening for packets

Now we’re just moving goalposts, your original claim was that timings has no performance impact and that’s a load of horseshit

Everybody knows that’s false

It’s well documented

[limber knot]

my original claim was that disabling it doesn't help most people that come into #paper-help

[left swift]

not using timings will make it literally impossible to help someone in there

[radiant oriole]

“anyone saying to disable it is talking out of their asses or simply aren't targetting your usecase”

[limber knot]

and if you tell someone who has zero idea how the server works and has no ability to modify the actual code causing the issue as pointed out in spark then that's irresponsible

[radiant oriole]

lmfao

[twin lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/vine-ascend-flying-epic-vsauce-gif-21863167

[limber knot]

because timings WILL help an end user fix the most common issues

[radiant oriole]

Spark is still useful even if you don’t know how the actual code works because at least you can still point out plugins that are causing issues in areas that timings doesn’t know how to profile

[left swift]

[limber knot]

I never said spark was useless

[radiant oriole]

Apparently it’s useless for measuring the performance impact of profilers

[limber knot]

it's just not the first tool to check if you have general performance issues nor is it readable for end users

[radiant oriole]

Whatever, I’m done with this argument at this point, we’re going in circles. I’ve proved my point.

[left swift]

if your server is lagging just turn it off

[limber knot]

tbh I don't think you proved it but ok, lol. e.g. the source for your statement that the time calls are mostly from timings would be interesting too (although I can kinda see that being the case of course)

also I would love to hear insight on how to improve the situation from soneone who has apparently spent lots of time working with that part of the server ;)

[radiant oriole]

Ask literally anybody who’s qualified to speak on the performance impact of context switching and they’ll tell you the same thing.

[radiant oriole]

The insight on how to fix timings is to throw out the current “start/stop” system. Sample instead, and map the tree nodes to different “user-friendly” lines like what timings does.

[left swift]

[limber knot]

but tbh. until I have been able to play around with this myself I can't really say anything further on this besides what I have already said

[hearty spear]

(trying to argue with Kevin)
Kevin devs pufferfish which has done wonders in lowering my MSPT.

Does a good job

[twin lagoon]

that is unrelated to this discussion

[radiant oriole]

I think he’s trying to say that I’m qualified but that should be obvious anyways

[left swift]

Mustard Sword Penguin Tails

[limber knot]

something interesting to know would be how timing-cost relates to the values in the spark profile

[radiant oriole]

It doesn’t

Timings-cost is a pretty awful benchmark

[limber knot]

but doesn't it call the exact methods that would cause those time calls?

[radiant oriole]

What matters in terms of what shows up in spark is the frequency of the calls, not how long they take individually

How long they take individually is a property of the OS and the hardware.

[limber knot]

ok but frequency doesn't mean that it has to be less efficient. 1000 1ms calls will still be faster then 10 1000ms ones

[radiant oriole]

Right but in the grand scheme of things the difference is generally small enough that it doesn’t matter in the face of call frequency

Note: any time you see an absolutely massive timings cost, odds are the server safepointed right smack in the middle of that timingscost benchmark

[meager tusk]

I love Michael btw

❤️

[limber knot]

absolute massive as in 1000?

[left swift]

[radiant oriole]

1000 is abnormally high, but not necessarily safepoint levels of high. If you’re interested in the time it takes to call that function you’re best off using a proper benchmarking framework like JMH

[limber knot]

ok just wanted to get a feel for how common that kind of issue is

seeing as most costs I see are usually betweek 90 and 200 these seem to be genuine then

[twin lagoon]

@meager tusk IDRIZ

[radiant oriole]

Yes but with the small sample size it’s within the margin of error

You’d need a much larger sample size to draw any conclusions

[limber knot]

so the solution would be to set the passed in getCost to a higher value? xD

[radiant oriole]

The time it takes to call that can vary wildly because you’re doing a context switch and a syscall

[radiant oriole]

A much higher value. Imo it’s useless unless you’re running that benchmark for more than a second

[left swift]

man this was cooler when u guys were mad at each other

[radiant oriole]

And the number you get is useless by itself without knowing how often the method is being called

[ionic trellis]

How can I make a very simple command alias without any plugin?

[limber knot]

well I guess it at least goes along with the rest of timings: being a simple to be calcualted and easily readable first impression on what is going on on a server

commands.yml

Uni ^

[radiant oriole]

But it’s not accurate or useful for anything

[limber knot]

it has been accurate enough to be able to figure out that someone is running the server on shit hardware

[radiant oriole]

You can’t derive anything from the system based on that number

If you want to know if it’s shit hardware, print the CPU model number instead. If you want to know if the machine is overloaded, print the utilization of the machine’s CPU as well. Bonus points if you include if the server is running on docker because docker can screw that number up.

Double bonus points for printing out RAM info including clock speed and CAS latency

[limber knot]

well yeah, but asking the user based on their high timings cost has lead to pretty good results too ;)

also I think historically the argument against this was that there was no good way to get that kind of info accross operating systems. but modern java versions might have improved there?

[radiant oriole]

Spark can do it…

[cobalt oracle]

nitro booster go brrrr

😈

[limber knot]

hm, looks like spark is only able to read that info on linux (which of course is better than not reading it)

but maybe that's just due to it trying to be compatible with non-java17 environments

[cobalt oracle]

hello phoenix616 who are you?

[limber knot]

you literally said my username

[cobalt oracle]

youre an webhook by who?

or just a bot

with advanced AI

[twin lagoon]

if this was an example of advanced AI i'd be worried

[cobalt oracle]

yea i know

[viral hornet]

omg Michael

[twin lagoon]

camm 🥺

[viral hornet]

[cobalt oracle]

Michael whats No Table?

[warm anchor]

Hi camm

[viral hornet]

🥺

[warm anchor]

Hi micahsl

[twin lagoon]

[viral hornet]

Hello @warm anchor

[cobalt oracle]

[meager tusk]

Chat's full of weebs.

@ashen cliff Krushiç.

[meager tusk]

They got rid of Balkon and made it weebs.

[cobalt oracle]

[viral hornet]

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[viral hornet]

KRUSIC

[twin lagoon]

KRUSIC!

[cobalt oracle]

Dude.

[ashen cliff]

BRO!

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[cobalt oracle]

DUDE!

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/wwVQLyhN-2022-02-19_17-43-51.png

Based.

[cobalt oracle]

Hm whats wrong?

[south matrix]

only the smartest people have nitro.

[viral hornet]

false

Living proof

[cobalt oracle]

lol

[meager tusk]

Krushiç.

We need Kin back.

Urgent.

[ashen cliff]

Invite him.

[viral hornet]

[cobalt oracle]

[meager tusk]

Still banned.

[ashen cliff]

[void void]

People who have broken and/or lost their tables

[left swift]

haha noah so funny

[marble lark]

put the 2 words together without the space

[red timber]

you mean NoTable

they do not have tables????

wow they must be from future

[marble lark]

lmao

[twin lagoon]

@red timber

[marble lark]

put the 2 words together and lowercase all of them

[brazen token]

Out of curiosity, does paper have anything like spigot's short domain?

i.e. spi.gt?

[vernal moth]

For what?

Short domains seem like a 2010 thing

[brazen token]

Currently, spigot doesn't use theirs for much, but at some point, there were plans to do something like git.io

i.e. a shortener specific to a certain site.

Realistically, would only be useful for hangar, but 🤷

[vernal moth]

How would it be useful?

[brazen token]

among other things, config.yml

or help commands

[vernal moth]

I don't understand

[spare venture]

do you like the machine strike mini game?

[brazen token]

git.io is a shortener operated by github.

It is unique insofar as it only allows github sites/pages/repos to be linked to/shortened.

As a result of this, any shortened link from it can be trusted.

In the case of spi.gt, it would be similar; you would know that any link goes to spigotmc.org (for example, a resource).

In the case of a paper one, it would be similar- you would know that any link goes to hangar (or possibly the forums)

When linking to the main project via a config file or via a version command, it would be somewhat convenient

[vernal moth]

Git.io is dead because url shorteners don't have any use anymore

[golden gust]

SEO started punishing link shorteners

many platforms where shorteners matter already have that built in in some capacity

and, generally, it's just an extra cost for something which I've not seen much of a use for

[vernal moth]

URL shorteners also train users to just click unidentifiable URLs

Which is bad

[mossy vessel]

URL shorteners in 2022, kinda cringe bro

[red timber]

yeah, just use url longifier smh

size matters y'all

you don't want to spread that short pp energy

[mossy vessel]

Especially the folks abusing GitHub's shortening service for years.

[brazen token]

I mean... a url longifier would be kind of funny tbh

[red timber]

stop posting shortened links pointing to your google drive documents

post whole long ass share url and call it a day

[golden gust]

well, I guess in part the shortener punishment was more the standard generic ones given that they've been used for spreading crap for years so it sorted started impacting the ratings of stuff

just sounds like a pita and a hefty expense for nothing 🤷‍♂️

[red timber]

users not being able to remember it? who cares, user is at fault for most of the issues anyway

[left swift]

short king energy

[red timber]

lord farquaad

[left swift]

fartquad

[golden gust]

https://tenor.com/7PmV.gif

#SpoilerAlert

[mossy vessel]

Cool fortnite skin you got there

[brazen token]

URL longifier:

get a 71 character domain name, put a 32.7k character subdomain path, then put a 255 character hex string at the end.

[brave radish]

when parsing CLI args, would it be inappropriate to throw a FileNotFoundException as a result of a check for existence at the beginning of the program when it doesn't actually use the file yet? should it be an IllegalArgument/StateException instead?

[golden gust]

argument, I'd maybe imagine

but, you should be catching and prettifying that stuff anyways

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/psmEhqDZ-2022-02-19_19-01-33.png

[magic river]

Ok, recovered from collapse, time for more Forbidden West

[magic river]

It's a surprisingly in depth game I'll probably spend way too much time on but right now I just want to go explore, did 2 or 3 of the 4 real matches against the first woman and haven't touched it since

[radiant oriole]

[magic river]

SURPRISE!

Who could have seen that coming?

[limber knot]

isn't advertising through DMs against Discord ToS?

oh wait, that's an email. the round avatar threw me off lol

[golden gust]

I came here for an honest discussion

immediatly partakes into the same behavior he tries to call upon of others as a promotion guide

[vernal moth]

Am confused

That mail is from whom to whom?

[golden gust]

from matej

haters on discord

[vernal moth]

Aka kangarooooo

?

[golden gust]

yup

[vernal moth]

Why does it start with hey matej

[golden gust]

I do love the expectation that as a community of experienced devs we should pay to crituque his paid material and we can't use anything of the basis of what we've seen of him in the community

i.e. him literally begging people to spoon code for him to do stuff meanwhile berating others cos he's a "pro dev"

[vernal moth]

That was fun

Germany got a nice saying, if you can't do, teach

[twin lagoon]

that's how you know you've made it

someone purchase his course and charge it back

so we can properly review it

[radiant oriole]

It’s so funny because I gave a specific example in practically the very next message

[twin lagoon]

tbf if you have to address haters you've kinda set yourself as an example of something you should avoid

[magic river]

Motivational speaker vibes are increasing

Or cult, maybe

They aren't that different

[golden gust]

I mean, I've seen people "leak" out of his community into our support channels

they're literally hard wired around his library, many I've seen are basically useless outside of that

[vernal moth]

I still don't understand the email, to me it looks like it was addressed to kangaroooo?

[magic river]

They say awesome things about him while you really teach them Java and how to make plugins? 😛

[vernal moth]

So how did you get it Kevin?

[magic river]

Probably a newsletter or something

[golden gust]

I mean, it's a PITA because the few I've interacted with hardly understand OOP concepts

[radiant oriole]

That was sent to his newsletter

I got sent a screenshot

[magic river]

Someone signed up for the newsletter using his name 😛

[vernal moth]

Ohhhh

[magic river]

Or just happens to have the same name ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal moth]

Man why you gotta confuse me like that

[magic river]

So yeah, he sent that out to all of his cult members

At least he didn't say where it was so probably don't have to worry about a flood of trolls

[vernal moth]

The message from _11 gives it away cause of the role

And not censoring names is also a hasshole move but whatever

[radiant oriole]

His cult won’t recognize it

[true canyon]

I feel bad for the folks who build plugins around that library. I've seen some fork the library and try to make their own improvements to it using the knowledge they got from his course. And then it's just stacked layers of pain. 😦

[radiant oriole]

PRs are welcome 🙂

[glass crag]

john de woli was him?

[golden gust]

at the very least heavily affiliated

[glass crag]

if so that's hilarious...

[golden gust]

welp, new material for .net, imho

[vernal moth]

But that's work

[ashen cliff]

from us
Ah. That explains it.

[worn ember]

@true canyon great ui

[warm anchor]

Battle cup

Willingly suffer I see how it is ded

[true canyon]

brilliant

@warm anchor I DID IT

[limber knot]

has anyone here setup their own timings instance? getting an error when trying to install it with yarn :S

[vernal moth]

I have when developing on it

What's the error?

[limber knot]

well there is lots of output and some warnings but I think this is the first actual error: https://gist.github.com/Phoenix616/192283706b21060c983e6e500bbe06be

[vernal moth]

Include more please

[limber knot]

ok wait, there is more errors. all "no matching function for call to..."

hard to copy, sec

[vernal moth]

Node gyp is what compiles native stuff

Normally that shouldn't run since it should download precompiled binaries

[limber knot]

my current assumption is that it's just not compatible with nodejs 14?

[vernal moth]

Ah fucking node-sass

I hate that lib

Maybe you can just replace node-sass with sass

Lol

Remove node-sass from package.json, yarn add -D sass

Then yarn again

[limber knot]

eww

[vernal moth]

Node-sass is a dum native impl of sass

The sass package is dart-sass so just dart compiled to js

[limber knot]

kinda annoying to have to do that for testing PRs lol

maybe aikar is willing to replace that 👀

[magic river]

Either that or set up nvm so you can switch to node 12

[golden gust]

node-sass iirc is basically kinda dead anyways, at least culturally, iirc

[vernal moth]

Yeah can just PR the switch if it works

[golden gust]

ah, yea, node-sass is deprecated

[vernal moth]

I don't remember if anything else is needed

[warm anchor]

Wow finally. That’s the hardest one to get

@true canyon right before event ending too

[true canyon]

A lot of people I met through playing these were missing ones I'd been getting a ton. I think it's random and bad luck.

[warm anchor]

Yeahhhhhh

Harder than tier 5 difficulties

[polar brook]

spigot still uses IRC right?

[charred sleet]

there is a spigot IRC yes

[brave radish]

they have a Discord too though

[warm anchor]

I thought their discord was an April fools joke

[limber knot]

ok, it seems to have built properly now but gulp errors ;_; https://i.moep.tv/gtoSVjup.txt

[golden gust]

yea, version mismatch

aikars not been giving that repo much love and he's the only one who can really touch it and such

[limber knot]

ok yeah, ituses sass-loader ^4.x.x

so I guess I would need an old compatible version or update that too :S

[golden gust]

yea, I think we where kinda looking into what self hosting it would look like and giving it a bit of love

[limber knot]

I wonder if simply updating the loader would solve it

no lol

I guess I could just PR without testing 👀

[spare venture]

Yeah I tried at first to just ram through it but you actually have to be strategical in it. This game feels like there was much more attention to detail than the first

[worn ember]

ez clap

[warm anchor]

That team name though

Lol

[worn ember]

i didnt pick it

first bc i ever played haha

[wanton mesa]

?dupe

?duplication

[warm anchor]

Oh really

That’s nice

[crystal lily]

Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.

[worn ember]

@wanton mesa

[warm anchor]

Lol I did the same thing but in #bot-spam @worn ember

[worn ember]

[spare venture]

OVH france customers ca. 2021

[warm anchor]

Wait OVH has customer service???

Bug tbf I only ever need to email them once

[spare venture]

their customers

[warm anchor]

Oh I misread it

[spare venture]

lmao

their support is really good if you’re having hardware issues tbh

[warm anchor]

Does their support go faster if you send in the ticket in French?

[spare venture]

probably

half the time when i’m browsing their website, it’ll be in french with no english option

[warm anchor]

The one time I had to email them was when their web panel isn’t accessible

But yeah otherwise I never really have issues

Their payment portal looks like it’s from early 2000

If you do manual payment lol

[spare venture]

their new panel is much better than it used to be

[ashen cliff]

Creates private torrent.
Random NL IP shows up after 3 days.
Reports the same client and % as the person downloading.
Torrent stops working.
Check my firewall, NL IP blocked due to being a random bot.

[meager tusk]

Of course it's NL.

[ashen cliff]

Legit bro.

Went and blocked the whole range.

Instant.

Watch them use IPv6 bro!

[twin lagoon]

We just have good copyright laws

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, no.

[void void]

does anyone have the optimization guide

[crystal lily]

Community contributed configuration guide for Paper: https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[orchid granite]

I LOVE VISITORS

[tropic flame]

turns on fog
fps increases

having more graphical features makes my game faster alright

i guess those few blocks that the fog hides are really what's crippling me

[spare venture]

rendering less stuff is easier on the gpu? unheard of

[tropic flame]

i mean yeah but I'd figure the fog would be more graphically intensive

seems like it's not

[spare venture]

the fog is simple, millions of blocks with varying shapes, light, etc not so much

[tropic flame]

eh

i guess you're right

always kept it off for some reason and only enabled it recently because I actually started enjoying the effect

[spare venture]

look how bad client fps goes down when there’s like 100+ chests in view

yeah fog can be nice

[rancid void]

spiders be like 👁️👀 👄 👀👁️

[foggy silo]

Sometimes I wonder

[pallid edge]

Anyone tried google ads to advertise a Minecraft server & get people to join? How did it work?

[radiant oriole]

google ads are very expensive, you'll be paying $1-2 per click to your website

[pallid edge]

even if there isn't a lot of competition for that keyword? Google gave me an estimate of like 60clicks/day with a 5$ budget

[ashen cliff]

There was an ad for a let's play promoting a server, like legit a Google ad on YouTube promoting a let's play channel of a server.

Dead as hell.

[warm anchor]

They work for business not so much for Minecraft in mg experience

Coz your ROI is pretty damn low with 12 year olds

[rare fiber]

What database is recommended for Minecraft networks? If there is any other than MySQL

[pallid edge]

mh well I personally just want to invest some money to get some players, I only suffer losses from my server anyways. It's just for fun

But like, people look for minecraft servers on google, so why not use google for advertising?

[warm anchor]

You will probably get better result on server list site then

[pallid edge]

hm maybe, though their bids all start at like 500$

[warm anchor]

Coz people who are going to view your ad on those listing site will be a lot more likely the correct demographic than ad served via google Adsense

[pallid edge]

I mean they find these server listing sites in the first place by googling something like "best minecraft servers". Might as well bid on that keyword as well then

And create some fake top 10 minecraft servers post with my server at #1

[warm anchor]

Idk about you but I use Adblock

[pallid edge]

That's why it's pay-per-click only 😄

[warm anchor]

You are going to get a lot less quality people tbf. Either children too young to have money to spend or boomer too old to not use adblock

Misclick happens more than you think

Especially one that clicked and close it and yeah you paid for those

[pallid edge]

since I'm mostly targeting desktop that's probably true hm. Well sadly those bids at server sites are no alternative, they're just way too expensive

Imma just see how far my 5$ gets me lol

[warm anchor]

I mean this is coming from someone who use google ad myself

[pallid edge]

oh and how did it go?

[warm anchor]

Trust me it’s not for Minecraft lol

I use it for my person business

This is YTD this year so far. It’s pretty normal. You pay for clicks but look at the ratio lol (sorry can’t show you what it is) you just have to believe me this ain’t photoshopped

[pallid edge]

That's 0.03$ per click isn't it? Pretty good I'd say. Is it for a mc server or for something else?

[warm anchor]

Something else

[pallid edge]

Oki. And well, the impressions/clicks ration isn't good, but does it matter? I'm only paying for clicks anyways

[warm anchor]

Out of those click you gotta see how many actually followed up so it’s really low %

[pallid edge]

well if you paid for impressions yea that'd be bad

[warm anchor]

Well good luck on your adventure

You will want an unique URL btw if you want to have any hope of keeping track for MC join

[pallid edge]

for "conversion" tracking?

[warm anchor]

Yeah

[pallid edge]

hm how would that even work though. Track their IP address between website & server somehow?

seein how much I would pay per player joining my server in the end would be pretty interesting

But German privacy laws..

[warm anchor]

Can’t relate. Not German

[pallid edge]

very lucky lol

technically just hosting my server in the US makes me a criminal here

So I guess I might as well just set up some tracking

[warm anchor]

Lmao.

[solid siren]

anyone use trading plugin? whats the best?

[merry talon]

<@&748618676189528155>

[magic river]

[serene bolt]

Join or bitch

lol

[dawn pond]

Anyone familiar citizens plugin

[marble lark]

what even was the context

[vernal moth]

A deleted ad obviously

[magic river]

“Okay, a few points. One, there was only one god, and he wasn’t invited. You know what gods are like.”

“No, Jason. I do not know what gods are like.”

[ashen cliff]

You can just give them a special IP to join.
So instead of just <servername>.<tld>, something like play.<servername>.<tld>.

[worn ember]

[plucky sparrow]

creep

[worn ember]

who are you again?

[plucky sparrow]

does that matter?

weirdo

[worn ember]

[solid siren]

u guys have any idea how to prevent shooting arrow in span

[dapper pumice]

Mariadb/MySQL is fine for networks

[rancid sequoia]

Hii

[ashen cliff]

https://github.com/MultiMC/Launcher/commit/f159c5fbc45e29bfbbc20a1e5ef3b6a352c93644

[vernal moth]

oh he realized he can't just change license without asking people? 😄

https://i.imgur.com/yIgp2Ey.png

I can't

[wide chasm]

lol

[vernal moth]

I mean, I appreciate every donation

but you also can't bribe me, lol

[plucky sparrow]

lmao

[vernal moth]

Lunch with parents and sister: sister forgot stuff and had to return half way, parents are still searching a parking place cause they had to use the car like the idiots they are and idiot me did run so that he doesn't miss the tram when the next comes 5 minutes later

[red timber]

sounds like same family tree indeed

[frozen vault]

guys?

i think selling servers using discord is against discord tos right?

if so i might have found one of the worst hosts ever to exist

[vernal moth]

That's not a hard thing to achieve

The majority of hosts are pretty terrible

[red timber]

is selling stuff on discord against tos, would be the better question

[frozen vault]

i think it is

[red timber]

only thinking that it is and not making it clear by reading the ToS is spreading FUD, imo

that being said, going over ToS right now does not mention you are not allowed to use discord to sell goods

it only mentions something about their own "Virtual Goods" (not hard to figure out - Discord Nitro etc.)

[worn ember]

inb4 that guy yesterday was kangarko's alt

[vernal moth]

We were pretty sure that he was

Or at least a "spy"

[worn ember]

see, thats why you should obfuscate your code /s

[pallid edge]

damn google is now testing out pure black theme instead of dark gray + piss yellow

[viral hornet]

WHAT IS THAT HAHA

[void void]

check out my image on #gifs-and-memes

[tropic flame]

[summer rivet]

Is this java save? I need it bc JavaFX https://cdn.azul.com/zulu/bin/zulu17.30.15-ca-fx-jre17.0.1-win_x64.zip

[red timber]

azul is ok yeah

[summer rivet]

its flagged by my virusscan as hacktool, is this falseflag?

[marble lark]

"join or bitch" does not sound remotely like whoever that was was trying to advertise something at all

[marble lark]

it's just a different JVM distribution you should be good

[foggy veldt]

MultiMC is the one that got tilted because ppl were putting it on flatpak right?

[upbeat falcon]

MultiMC flatpak - Requests - Flathub Discourse

https://discourse.flathub.org/t/multimc-flatpak/818

Oct 13, 2020 ... Upstream has been contacted: https://github.com/MultiMC/MultiMC5/issues/3149 · TheEvilSkeleton February 20, 2021, 11:28pm #2.

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[red timber]

yeah

[full rune]

I remember you saying that your antivirus also flagged CrystalDiskMark for doing suspicious actions, maybe it's time to get a better antivirus or ditch antiviruses altogether 😛

[shrewd umbra]

will mojang ever like refactor their code. it's been like 10 years so there must be a lot of bad code stuck in there

[vernal moth]

They do literally every update?

[shrewd umbra]

really?

;-;

hmm ok

[vernal moth]

Sometimes they are small, but we went thru pretty large refsctors too

Like the flattening for example

Or the new world gen

[shrewd umbra]

o

[vernal moth]

Or when they rewrote the renderer basically to use shaders

[shrewd umbra]

it didn't use shaders before........?

[vernal moth]

Not really

The game did target a pretty old OpenGL version

[sage vessel]

how much do you need to donate to receive the sponsor role?

[mossy vessel]

There's no amount set, simply be an opencollective or GitHub sponsors.

[sage vessel]

does it need to be recurring or can it be just one time?

[red timber]

is it for the role

[sage vessel]

maybe

but anyhow I sponsored a smol amount even if I don't receive the role, because well, I use Paper since 2014 so it is just fair to at least donate something https://github.com/orgs/SparklyPower/sponsoring

[solid zealot]

Hello

[vernal moth]

Thank

[void void]

What is this guy on

Comparing flatpak distribution to rape

[worn ember]

i said no to flatpak many times but it inserted its code anyway!!

[frozen vault]

the terrible host i found, you cant pay on the website.. you need to 'raise a ticket' lmao in their discord server

they are indian so bad englis expekted

[twin lagoon]

ok

[frozen vault]

cringe

their panel has been down for 2 hours lmao

[plucky sparrow]

ok

[red timber]

cry about it

[vernal moth]

He's just your normal asshole really

[rare python]

Anyone know any good alternatives to MultiMC? 👀

[twin lagoon]

polymc

[rare python]

A few things really.

MultiMC has been great but it's not as good as it could be... for the past month or so I have been tempted to go the route of "if you want something done right do it yourself", but I don't have time for that right now. All this nonsense with licensing and the developer seemingly being a bit of an idiot is just icing on top. So now I am now considering to jump ship even more.

[twin lagoon]

what are you missing in multimc

have yet to see a launcher that has more features than multimc

[viral hornet]

@twin lagoon 🥺

[twin lagoon]

hello cammy

[red timber]

multimc took its license change back lol

peterix is hard coping over this license stuff and polymc lmao

i don't care
continues on the topic
i still don't care
some mumblings about the topic again
yeah i don't care

just took a peek at its discord

[spare venture]

so the only thing you dont like about multimc is the licensing? damn you should try an alternative to bukkit

[worn ember]

do plugins for jetbrains products function the same for every platform?

eg: if i were to publish a plugin for intellij would it work on rider?

[void void]

Pretty sure it should

[worn ember]

might make an extention for space engineer scripting. not much useful out there

[vernal moth]

No they didn't

They learned, oh surprise, you can't change the licence without asking all contributors and then just changed the licence for all further commits instead

[pallid edge]

How.. is he getting so many downloads

Who downlads that shit?

[golden gust]

skript is basically a cult

I've seen people literally hurt their servers using skript wondering why they can't get more than like 50 players back in the 1.8 era

[wide chasm]

Wonder what they'll make next in the "x is back but in Skript." series.

[pallid edge]

Oh my god why would anyone PREFER Skript over java though

Lol

But why

[void void]

Paper is back but in Skript

[wide chasm]

Many people find Skript easier to program in.

[pallid edge]

Well that's a reason I can understand ig. From the developers perspective. But why do so many people download it?

Do they think it's better? Some kind of high performance java alternative?

[wide chasm]

Only reason I've seen so far is that skripts are easier to customize.

If you want to make some small behavioral change, easier to go into the skript, modify a couple lines and save it, then to download the entire Java source, modify the code and recompile.

[pallid edge]

Hm fair point. I kinda doubt the majority of people download that have the capability to understand the code and modify it though

[charred sleet]

mfw when the next paper pr is written in skript

[void void]

when serverlag:
don't

[pallid edge]

Let's take a guess, I go first: Protocollib (Skript)

[golden gust]

perma'd, no apple

[plucky sparrow]

honestly when skript back in skript

[tropic flame]

same reason why it's faster to bodge something that works in a scripting language vs a traditional programming one

but I'd say that's where the line should be

[wide chasm]

I mean, that sounds the most realistic so far

[tropic flame]

you shouldn't be basing the entire server on it lmao

[wide chasm]

Yet here we are

[void void]

FastAsyncSkript whan™️

[tropic flame]

Skript extension for vscode

syntax highlighting and error detection

[plucky sparrow]

yet to find a skript extension that is good

[plucky sparrow]

error detected: you're using skript

[tropic flame]

watch me learning whatever extension API vscode has just to make a skript extension

[wide chasm]

I believe there is a general language API that is supported by vscode and other tools as well.

[tropic flame]

LSP, i guess

[wide chasm]

Yes, that

[worn ember]

god i hate my college... Friday they told us at like 10am that at 1pm college would close due to the storm (imagine if forecasts existed to predict storms). And today is sunday so fuck working on sunday amirite so we dont even know if they'll open college tomorrow cuz another storm is coming tonight and in the morning

and public transport is like "your train might drive, but it also might not cuz there is a storm" like bruh, i think i'ma just sleep in tomorrow lmao

[ionic trellis]

https://shop.serizon.net/category/ranks how can I make a shop like this?

[worthy geode]

that just looks like default tebex

and if you also want the content of that store, that is definitely against the EULA, lol

[plucky sparrow]

@deep juniper Hello, my child

[deep juniper]

Greetings, my child! How are you? 😄

Paper-chan is having dinner right now.

[plucky sparrow]

Praise Paper-chan 🙏

[deep juniper]

🙏 I love you all who help spreading the word (and software) of PaperMC!

[foggy silo]

Paper-chan 😳 I am big fan

[deep juniper]

😳 I see it's Owen! 😊 Hello, Owen. How have you been, lately?

[foggy silo]

I've been great!! And now my day is even better. 🥰

[vernal moth]

Oh god what did I step into

[frank otter]

paperchan has returned!

[golden gust]

jumps on mini and performs face lick

[plucky sparrow]

that's very interesting cat

but

did you have to tell all of us about it

[deep juniper]

✌️Hello! I have been quite busy with the matters of life, but I have fortunately found some time to talk with the people I love.

So, how are you, tesseract?

[frank otter]

I'm doing well, my day is now considerably better. How are you after your absence Paper-chan?

[woven python]

the fandom acquisition of major wikis has got to be one of the worst business decision ever.

I CRINGE every time I need to go on one and actively avoid them.

[void void]

Holy shit, is that paper chan

[deep juniper]

I am fine! Hopefully it seems that COVID restrictions are slowly being lifted around the world? Which is pretty nice! Let's hope it only goes better from now on.

[deep juniper]

Hello, Noah! 🖐️

[foggy silo]

Paper-chan what plane of existence do you live in?

[plucky sparrow]

uwu

[rancid void]

using namespace std

[golden gust]

memes go in #gifs-and-memes

shit memes stay on your harddrive

[rancid void]

that's not a meme that's a screenshot from Microsoft's docs..

[golden gust]

don't mention

[void void]

Quick lore question; Is paper chan made out of paper?

[plucky sparrow]

Paper-chan is a goddess

[golden gust]

No, but you can order her in cotton

[rancid void]

ffs why is there no setting to make @ OFF the default!?

[deep juniper]

Do you mean in a metaphysical sense, as in maybe I live in a different dimension?

I would say I live in the same world as you. I guess you have only seen me as a 2D character 😳 so that's where the confusion sets in. Maybe the same laws of physics don't apply to me due to that. I don't know, myself. 😅

[deep juniper]

Depends on what material you print me on. 😉

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor shut up

[void void]

@ Mini paper chan merch when

[deep juniper]

😳 I would be curious to see how I would look in dakimakura, to be honest. 👉 👈

[rare python]

Why do I ever bother looking in this channel, most of the time it is just madness.

[plucky sparrow]

no this is a beautiful moment

Paper-chan is back

[rare python]

Uh huh... right...

no

[plucky sparrow]

This hate you have towards Paper-chan is horrible

How dare you disrespect the queen

[deep juniper]

I guess some people still don't enjoy my presence. Common issue ever since my conception. 😅 I don't mind, though, as I have many more people that love me here! Thank you.

Paper-chan must go now, though, to wash the dishes. See you later! Or sometime. Keep helping servers getting turned up to 11 with Paper!

[quasi valley]

🛌

[ashen cliff]

🛌

[pallid edge]

Sadly noone wants paper-chan as the paper logo, but maybe you can give hangar-chan a chance?

[deep juniper]

You made me login again just to reply to this. What the...?

I mean, at least make someone new for me to be friends with. 👉 👈 Not just a twin. 😅

I'm kidding! Nice joke you came up with. I'm off again, cya!

[pallid edge]

lol I'm keeping my hangar-chan PR warm and ready for April 1st 😅

[void void]

get paper chan nitro to set a per server avatar for hangar

[left swift]

noah is the cringe chan

[plucky sparrow]

ok

[spiral robin]

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[still sorrel]

guys never help your mom move her bed so she can vacuum under it

you might see things you can't unsee

[golden gust]

was it a plug in?

it's all fun and games until its a plug in

[static badge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876902758366736457/944257078699130980/ezgif-1-05d9b559b3.gif

[warm anchor]

???

[void void]

Michael sees weeb shit and automatically assumes its you

Which is a fair guess tbh

[plucky sparrow]

Eternity weeb

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

[void void]

absolute unit

[spiral robin]

@quasi valley

[warm anchor]

@spiral robin @spiral robin

[spiral robin]

hello!

[lilac zephyr]

I had a project for custom made React UI for fandom wiki, iirc it worked without images

[spare venture]

fandom's UI is just TERRIBLE

and the ads are so intrusive

[warm anchor]

What ad

All I see is weird empty space

[golden gust]

What's more viral?
🇦 GPL
🇧 fandom
🇨 herpes

[warm anchor]

I think if you pick first one you will never get the last one

[golden gust]

😄

[lilac moon]

i dont get the second one

[minor otter]

So you got the third one?

[lilac moon]

i mean understand

[quiet mesa]

not sticker here for this? xd

[quiet mesa]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[merry talon]

Fandom.com im guessing?

[quiet mesa]

well xd

[merry talon]

def not org

[warm anchor]

Uh oh discord think you ain’t human

[quiet mesa]

all for free stickers :c

[lilac moon]

Soy humano

Olvidalo

[merry talon]

[frozen vault]

Remember the worst host I found that I mentioned yesterday? They just nuked all their customers discord servers and deleted the servers making their customers having to start from scratch and not only that but even a 2k player server was destroyed.. RIP

[spare venture]

how did they have access to their customers discord servers?

[vernal bone]

Average Summerhost monent.

[magic river]

It's February

[vernal bone]

Excuse me, *Winterhost.

[vernal moth]

Surely they gave backups, right?

[lilac moon]

probably not tbh

[vernal moth]

Sounds like a them problem then

[radiant oriole]

Who’s hosting a 2k player server on such a shitty host

[void void]

Probably 2k in the discord?

[lilac moon]

true

[lilac moon]

I'm curious about this though

[warm anchor]

My guess will be discord bot curated for the host and was given admin access.

[azure tide]

oh boy

gotta love converting your entire proxy structure

[viscid wedge]

Velocity is easier to work with

[lilac moon]

yeah I like velocity api

refreshing compared to spigot/bukkit

idk about bungeecord because I never made plugins for it

[void void]

Velocity

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/oVbJnL3.png

mfw

240 now

316

kinda cool teams can scale that nice

like, this isn't teams live events, this is a normal teams meeting

where everybody can speak and plenty people have their camera on

[ashen cliff]

I mean, you can only see 9 cameras in the normal mode right?

Or did they change that?

[vernal moth]

together mode supports like 50 iirc

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but the resolution drops to 💩.

This article describes how Teams uses Microsoft 365 or Office 365 call flows in various topologies. In addition, it describes unique Teams flows that are used for peer-to-peer media communication.

[lilac topaz]

Suggest a good plugin for botfilter. Or very often we bypass the captcha according to the picture where the numbers are drawn.

I heard that there is such a plugin for checking bots at the entrance, where an example is set in the chat, for example 11-7, and you are given 3 options in the chat, where you need to click on the correct one. Has anyone met this?

[ashen cliff]

There is a Russian Bungee fork that has a "lot" of AntiBot stuff build in.

[lilac topaz]

And if it's not a secret, what is the Russian Bungee?

[ashen cliff]

I wish I could remember the exact name, but I don't.
It's a public fork on Github.

[vernal moth]

online mode = true <---- best anti bot

[red timber]

BotFilter or something

[tropic flame]

teams scales much nicer than discord imho

on discord i can't have my camera on without crashing

and i can't screenshare either

figures, idfk why either

[lilac topaz]

Yes, there is this BotFilter and it is bypassed very easily

[vernal moth]

love to see it

Freeze in EDT for 185 seconds
IDE KILLED! Sampled time: 151700ms, sampling rate: 100ms, GC time: 474ms (0%), Class loading: 0%, cpu load: 2%

[red timber]

[vernal moth]

can't even submit to jetbrains cause they seem to use a different cert store to send the requests

really dum

[thorny totem]

Looks like a stackoverflow nah? 😆

[ashen cliff]

Looks my good old times with advancements.

[charred sleet]

hmmm does team really use some custom network?

was watching a lecture about networks the other day and they mentioned it

[ashen cliff]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/microsoft-teams-online-call-flows

A lot of people already do something like that, because of the rate limits.

Well. Not really using a third party API, but proxying and caching the official API using CF workers.

You can always make your own CF worker for that.
But yeah, anything you do is going to be slower than Mojang directly.
Unless you cache stuff.

[lilac topaz]

I want to shine. There is a GeyserMC plugin that allows the Bedrock Client to log into the Java server. Is it safe to install such a plugin for such a benefit?

[worn crest]

You will have a lot of problems and like inventorys and Anticheat. For the invs you need to hook into the floodgate forms and anticheat yeah will never be great

[left swift]

[smoky cloud]

There are Geyser-compatible anticheats

[worn crest]

But it won't be that good as only Java 😅

[vernal moth]

but yes, geyser is save

the people behind it are cool

[worn crest]

Yes I also use it

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-18-2-pre-release-2

[void void]

was about to post that lol

I'm too early lol

[vernal moth]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-243766

mojang fixing the important issues

[void void]

game is finally playable again

[vernal moth]

thats how you can see that onbording a new guy

[void void]

^ I mean, these small issues are probably a great way to get to know the workflow and codebase

[knotty nebula]

Hey, are there any linux users that could explain to me why sometimes I see processes and sometimes I don't? When I run ./start.sh on a screen I don't see the ./start.sh process in ps -a and if I run it in the default shell I do see a bash process.

this is what I'm talking about ^

[dapper pumice]

Running in tmux, visible

[limber knot]

does anybody know where a redis-server would log an error when it fails to start? :S

[left swift]

var log redis

[frank otter]

maybe journalctl

journalctl -x $(which redis)

[limber knot]

log doesn't have anything in it

journal only says that it couldn't be started

[golden gust]

systemctl status or whatever should have the tip of the log if it cares to provide it

otherwise, old approach from back in the day for shitty programs like that was to just see if they'd start manually

[limber knot]

hm, maybe it just takes ages to start and so starting the service times out

https://i.moep.tv/gr8eFuYw.png

[safe jackal]

okay, this farm works on vanilla too. here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UcFy7LCpc is it possible to disable it in some way?

[golden gust]

Somebody LITERALLY told you

[safe jackal]

now I see it, sorry

[void void]

https://holybible.guru

[magic river]

lol, wow

Cities in Sweden were upset they weren't called cities anymore so unofficially officially call themselves "$NAME City" now

The national government calls Stockholm "Stockholm Municipality" but the council calls it "Stockholm City"

[worn ember]

What's the difference

[magic river]

And then the others cities copied them because they wanted to be cities again too

Nothing, it's just a name

[worn ember]

Bruh

[magic river]

They wanted to show they were bigger and more important than the towns and villages

Sweden officially got rid of any distinction between city, town, village, etc and just calls them all municipalities

[void void]

bruh

I wish my country's only problem was that

[magic river]

The municipality change happened in 1971, Stockholm started calling themselves Stockholm City in 1983, 13 other cities followed

[golden gust]

Oh god

[left swift]

no politics

[golden gust]

so, my highschool was basically like, ribbleton hall

[magic river]

lol, somewhat related, Massachusetts got rid of about half their counties but people still insist they exist and 3 of them have even set up their own version of county government

[golden gust]

but then my city was kinda like, "crowned" a city in like 2002, and during that, my high school, years before I was there, renamed themselves to "City of preston high school" in part to try to get away from their old image but just, so much cheese

[cedar spade]

Ceremonial county moment

[magic river]

The state government hasn't fully transitioned away from them being a thing either apparently, they still have separate judicial regions and such

But they don't have any county governments, just the one they all merged in to

I think the county Boston is in basically ate everything west of it

Or Norfolk ate the county Boston is in and everything west, not sure

[left swift]

for why

[magic river]

They got rid of them because they didn't need to exist 😛

Back when you had to walk or ride a horse to get places having a lot of counties was useful but now if your county has 1000 people in it then it probably should just get merged with the one next to it

Running a county government isn't free

[left swift]

anyways

[snow kernel]

if you don’t know the series already, i think you might enjoy map men (although it has a bri’ish focus)

https://youtu.be/hCc0OsyMbQk

[left swift]

big time rush is back

[solid siren]

do u guys set ur spawn or lobby to adventure mode so people cant destroy blocks?

[wind geyser]

closest thing so far :/