maze lover my beloved
#general
rare tiger
neat oyster
ok ima sleep now gn
vernal moth
Haha Sony strikes back and buys bungee
Bungie
Whatever
Lol the news site that broke the story is down
Ah it's back
crimson haven
Trying to get some good stuff Microsoft hasn't grabbed yet lol
vernal moth
Just that Microsoft buying some is a good thing
And we don't know what Sony will do
Well, "good", consolidation is bad
limber knotBOT
well SIE managed Planetside 2 into the ground until they sold it to someone who seems to care a bit more about it so not sure if this is good news lol
crimson haven
Yeah. I think Microsoft is a lot better than some other publishers out there. But who knows where the journey goes, once they grew too big
limber knotBOT
*Microsoft Gaming
crimson haven
right
limber knotBOT
Seems to be mainly Phil Spencer's influence and not the overall Microsoft
magic river
I thought Activision bought Bungie already
Which would have meant Microsoft was about to own them again
limber knotBOT
" It signed a ten-year publishing deal with Activision in April 2010"
magic river
Maybe they just locked them in to a... yeah, that
limber knotBOT
feels odd thought hat Sony is buying the developer of some of the better Halos lol
*though
magic river
They fell off hard with Destiny though
limber knotBOT
wasn't it kinda good but not what people expected or something like that?
didn't really cared enough about non-arena-shooters when it released ^^' (and still not really do)
magic river
An individual fight or whatever was neat but it was just that repeated until you got bored with it
The story was almost all done outside of the game, what story and voice acting they did have in game was sometimes literally phoned in, and there wasn't enough variety in what you were doing to carry it without a good story
I dunno, I also hate grinding for legendaries in PoE or Borderlands so maybe it's just not meant for me
limber knotBOT
yeah, same lol
still sorrel
PHP is such a chad language
private final WandsPlugin wandsPlugin;
private final SpellEffectUtil spellEffectUtil;
private final LivingEntityUtil livingEntityUtil;
private final SchedulerUtil schedulerUtil;
@Inject
public CursedBow(WandsPlugin wandsPlugin,
SpellEffectUtil spellEffectUtil,
LivingEntityUtil livingEntityUtil,
SchedulerUtil schedulerUtil
) {
this.wandsPlugin = wandsPlugin;
this.spellEffectUtil = spellEffectUtil;
this.livingEntityUtil = livingEntityUtil;
this.schedulerUtil = schedulerUtil;
}
``````java
@Inject
public CursedBow(private final WandsPlugin wandsPlugin,
private final SpellEffectUtil spellEffectUtil,
private final LivingEntityUtil livingEntityUtil,
private final SchedulerUtil schedulerUtil
) {
}```if Java was a chad language you'd be able to do the latter instead of the former
still sorrel
can't find an annotation processor that will do it for me
lavish compass
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
worn ember
Why you running so much
still sorrel
wait if I create an event named ClickEvent and extend it with LeftClickEvent and RightClickEvent, then proceed to emit a LeftClickEvent, will a listener for ClickEvent pick it up?
unkempt drift
if the HandlerList is on ClickEvent yes
still sorrel
wait the handler list is different
unkempt drift
it all depends on where you put the HandlerList
still sorrel
wait the handlerlist is static
private static class ClickEvent extends PlayerEvent implements Cancellable {
private static final HandlerList handlers = new HandlerList();
private final Cancellable cancellable;
private ClickEvent(Player player, Cancellable cancellable) {
super(player);
this.cancellable = cancellable;
}
@Override
public boolean isCancelled() {
return cancellable.isCancelled();
}
@Override
public void setCancelled(boolean cancel) {
cancellable.setCancelled(cancel);
}
@Override
public @NotNull HandlerList getHandlers() {
return handlers;
}
}
public static final class LeftClickEvent extends ClickEvent {
private LeftClickEvent(Player player, Cancellable cancellable) {
super(player, cancellable);
}
}
public static final class RightClickEvent extends ClickEvent {
private RightClickEvent(Player player, Cancellable cancellable) {
super(player, cancellable);
}
}```DarkEyeDragon: need to stay fit for when people chace me for my unpopular opinions and dumb jokes :P
still sorrel
dont ask why I wrap the cancellable
unkempt drift
with that setup, yes, a listener for CLickEvent will listen to all Left/RightClickEvent sub events
you need to add a static method to CLickEvent to get the handler list tho
still sorrel
wait if I only want to listen to a LeftClick event and emit a right click it'd probably still get called, right?
limber knotBOT
yes
unkempt drift
if the listener is for ClickEvent yeah
limber knotBOT
you need a handlerlist per event if you want them individually
unkempt drift
well no, with that setup, you can just listen for LeftClickEvent
limber knotBOT
oh does it actually check the type? I thought you simply couldn't register events for the specific ones in that case
unkempt drift
yeah, it does check the type. you can listen for sub-events with no handler list
provided somewhere in their hierachy is an event with a HandlerList
so like you can't listen to PlayerEvent
still sorrel
@EventHandler
private void onShoot(LeftClickEvent event) {
if I emit a RightClickEvent I assume it will throw a type error
unkempt drift
yes that should be called for all emitted LeftClickEvents
still sorrel
with my current setup
unkempt drift
no if you emit a RightClickEvent, the listener just wont be run, no error
still sorrel
but its subscribed to the same handler list
unkempt drift
doesnt matter, the plugin manager also checks the listener type
still sorrel
alright so this should work
unkempt drift
best thing, is just to test
make a listener for each type, and fire them each and see what listeners run
still sorrel
lets hope this works
did paper add a sensible click event?
or do you still have to do it like this
limber knotBOT
there is no way to do a "sensible click event" with how the client-server architecture is atm
still sorrel
I mean, my solution is fairly sensible
limber knotBOT
ok but what if the user changes their controls?
still sorrel
should still work
limber knotBOT
also what about the cases where the client simply doesn't send the server the click?
still sorrel
like when?
limber knotBOT
a click event would imply that every click is sent to the server
still sorrel
this is not for when the user has his inventory open
this is like right and left clicking into the world
limber knotBOT
pretty sure some cases for empty hands not interacting with anything aren't sent
unkempt drift
or some adventure mode thing
magic river
iirc one example was standing next to a sign and right clicking it
limber knotBOT
you mean some kind of... interaction with the world?
why not call it interact event?
runs
limber knotBOT
seems odd to have multiple events for the same stuff tbh instead of just using an enum on the event to define the action...
limber knotBOT
I mean nobody is stopping your from having utility events in your plugin...
still sorrel
this is just convenient, centralises the click logic in my plugin
Set<Class<?>> subTypes = reflections.get(SubTypes.of(EventListener.class).asClass());```now lets do a little auto listener registering:)
rare tiger
:(
still sorrel
this is just simply genius
rare tiger
simply stupi-
still sorrel
player.sendActionBar("Ā§ccan't fire from offhand");
```hehehe we do a little deprecated method calling
void void
```java
private final WandsPlugin wandsPlugin;
private final SpellEffectUtil...
can't you just use a record for that?
spare venture
legacy formatting and strings ā
still sorrel
will fix it all later, want to get something functional first
ok guice just fucked me in the ass
cant inject dependency into an enum
probably more of a sign that I should not have any meaningful logic in an enum
magic river
An enum is a sealed class, you can't make arbitrary subclasses or instances of it
How would you inject anything?
still sorrel
you just dont
rancid void
it's big brain time
still sorrel
why tf is it spamming this on a newly generated world
quasi valley
That means you probably killed the server without saving the world
vestal jasper
Security through obscurity best strategy
warm anchor
Security through obscurity best strategy
Hello 
worn ember
who dis
worn ember
Hello <:Pepelove:524460614945341450>
bashlord 
warm anchor
void hates you 
worn ember
lmao he was so bad tho
magic river
My cat has apparently decided he is too good for the wet cat food he has been eating the last few days
It's the same brand and flavor as his normal dry food but Amazon fucked the shipping on that so he has been eating the wet stuff for the last 3 days
Usually it's a couple times a month treat and he eats the shit out of it but I guess he decided it was too much of a good thing
warm anchor
Hes gonna get spoiled
glass crag
I feel you, my cats are so picky
They normally just lick the gravy off this one food and maybe eat the meat later
The food company think they smart coating the food in tasty gravy
still sorrel
tryning so hard not to tag minidigger for DI support
prisma orchid
Does anyone know how to disable tebex checkout
warm anchor
Idk but I think asking tebex would be a reasonable start
warm anchor
patience is a virtue 
twin lagoon
Does anyone know how to disable tebex checkout
not possible iirc
worn ember
necro obviously
true canyon
I mean yes, but what kind of monster does that double burn build
true canyon
I'm trying tier 1 labyrinth gyro, going lil' lifesteal morbid mask followed by waiting incredibly patiently for eth blade
Gooooo me!
worn ember
true canyon
why not :3
worn ember
idk i'm just a 2k pleb lul
true canyon
I'm just yoloing dumb builds.
aaaaaaaaand a teammate ragequit in room 3
I blame ded
true canyon
@warm anchor new terrible troll technique. Blood potion into water for the amoebaboss
oops
thorny totem
Idk if UPS has logging/reset password issues, can't login or reset my password. Says an error occured -_-
daring owl
I have a dedicated 5800x server with 64gb ram, how much ram becomes detrimental for a server with around 50-100 players
vast temple
how to change server render distance
warm anchor
In server.properties
ashen cliff
I have a dedicated 5800x server with 64gb ram, how much ram becomes detrimental ...
10GB. 
jagged widget
what would u guys recommend i use for off site backups from my server? (im running on a vps, not a minecraft server hosting website)
id like to start not relying on plugins for this
ripe sphinx
I use the Borg Backup system, there's a bunch of companies that offer cheap offsite storage, although I've just got local storage atm
jagged widget
id like to keep it free by backing up to gdrive or something like that, that has a free tier
warm anchor
then just manual backup then? 
ashen cliff
Mega would be better in that case. They have CLI tools and 50GB for free.
merry talon
honestly, there are so many improvements that can be had by switching from 'free' to 'pennies per month'
I would strongly suggest you consider it
storing 50GB on backblaze b2 would cost $0.25/mo
radiant oriole
The cost of b2 is retrieval, make sure you consider the cost to retrieve your data if you lose it all (but thatās also pretty cheap, just be aware that itās not free)
merry talon
$0.01/gb but you can also get around it by spinning up a server with one of their compute partners for like an hour to retrieve for free
warm anchor
ashen cliff
And shouldn't exist. š
vernal moth
They just went like, we don't pay for traffic to each other, why should we bill customers for that
If you say that at Amazon they throw you out the window
Not at innovators like backblaze and cf
They embrace it
And I only partly say that because I know 3 people working for backblaze, lol
ashen cliff
Because both of them focus on just one thing.
While Amazon on the other hand focuses on a lot of thing and has to get money from you somehow.
vernal moth
Oh AWS is a money printer don't you worry
vernal moth
I especially like the part where they fork FOSS and then sell it to you
warm anchor
Mini is officially on Bezos's hitlist
ashen cliff
I still owe them like 49c.
radiant oriole
For making fun of his penis shaped Rocket
āThe shape of the rocket has nothing to do with the payload delivery! You are getting your information from cartoons!ā
ashen cliff
they know where you live bro
Actually. They don't.
radiant oriole
AWS is great if you use it right though.
ashen cliff
And have money.*
vernal moth
I have to give them something tho, Amazon logistics is hands down the best delivery service there is
radiant oriole
If you use it right you can save a ton of money but if you use it wrong itāll burn a goddamn BIG hole in your wallet
vernal moth
Well worth the prime money
ashen cliff
If you use it right you can save a ton of money but if you use it wrong itāll bu...
Just make sure to put all of your eggs into one basket.
radiant oriole
Yes always remember to put all of your services in us-east
vernal moth
You also need to have a usecase for it
The large majority of companies don't need to scale like that
radiant oriole
Even if youāre not actively scaling, their usage-based billing for things like lambda is very compelling if you can design your app around that.
vernal moth
Aka rewrite everything
radiant oriole
Thereās also an argument to be made for having a bunch of servers to handle some baseline load and then scaling into the cloud for peak usage, you have to play with the numbers a bit but thatās another common way to save money
Itās also scary that there are entire job titles for optimizing cloud compute costs
magic river
I think the only lambda we have is to make an API to generate a presigned S3 upload URL
vernal moth
Thereās also an argument to be made for having a bunch of servers to handle some...
you quickly get really complex architecture tho and need to factor in that literally any change will be more expensive and that you will most likely make more mistakes
I moved my companies website into azure as a POC this sprint, presentation is today, will see what people think
but its a bit different for us cause a) we have bare metal servers in our basement we wanna get rid of and b) I want cloud cause less internal infra that fucks with my traffic, clean slate kinda thing, so faster, http2, edge side caching/serving statics from elswhere, etc, which all isn't possible right now
lavish compass
Full-time AWS Cost Saving Architect
radiant oriole
Full-time AWS Cost Saving Architect
you joke
lavish compass
I hope, at least
merry talon
nope, that is literally the job of this dude https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig
Twitter
radiant oriole
That dude saves companies millions optimizing their cloud bills, I save companies millions by rewriting algorithms in smart ways to be fast as shit
ripe sphinx
cool.
vernal moth
saw the blog post by the hibp guy where he lost thousands by accident?
its azure but thats just same shit different label
and hes a Microsoft Regional Director and MVP, whatever that means
golden gust
yea, that was a fun read time ago if it's what I recall it was
Joy here is that very few "welcome to AWS" tutorials really cover much of the "watch your ass" aspects too well
it's generally straight and, and 10 minutes later you have some shitty AWS container
magic river
Microsoft MVP is basically just them saying you're cool and someone to pay attention to
golden gust
you're cool, you're cool, fuck you, you're cool, am out
magic river
You have to be nominated by an existing MVP and then they decide if you should be one or not
It's like a developer advocate but it's not a paid position, just a recognition of what you're already doing
void void
Guys but when i create a server, how do i get my friends in? where do i find the ID?
golden gust
!warn 915380279043031062 Do not crosspost/spam
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned franc_esco05#3156 (Do not crosspost/spam) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
void void
What?
ripe sphinx
golden gust
as prime case for why crossposting is bad, there are literally people in -help asking questions to you.
smoky cloud
On the topic of the cloud, Oracle Cloud is currently having a moment
vernal moth
Does anything important actually use their shit?
smoky cloud
Unfortunately
still sorrel
who in uses anything from oracle lol except java
why do people use stuff like oracle sql and microsoft sql
vernal moth
postgres master race
still sorrel
what??
vernal moth
lmfao
still sorrel
doesn't oracle have their own sql
golden gust
there are some differences SQL wise
not to mention the admin tools where basically not MySQL's
vernal moth
yes oracle db is a thing too
golden gust
and no provider really offers mysql servers within our ecosystem
well, anything but mysql servers*
vernal moth
but postgres is the only DB worth using unless you in some niche that requires more special stuff
golden gust
But, I mean, they are used out there
MySQL is nice because OSS and free and much info out there but it's generally somewhat dated
vernal moth
but then you get into cockroach, cassandra and stuff
mysql is has been forced to mariadb, so if you used mysql at least update to maria
then you have no oracle, but still you are stuck with mysql basically
smoky cloud
MongoDB 
untold meadow
say what you will about mongodb, you can't deny or dispute the fact that they have the best tiktok account out of all database software
glass crag
wow im not on mongodbtok?
twin lagoon
mariadb my beloved
still sorrel
I mean relational isnt always the way to go when storing data
Mongo has its usecases
vernal moth
Only usecase for mongo is storing ton of useless data
Like logs or traces
Everything else sucks
glass crag
Does mongo support complex queries?
I've only used dynamodb and searching logs in that would be expensive & slow
golden gust
not used it much but depends on what you mean by complex
the thing isn't really designed for usage as a traditional DB as such
glass crag
Searching by timestamp or a substring
Object databases are best when you have a simple key-value store, even then I prefer having a schema these days
golden gust
basically, yes, but, generally horrible to do
most usecases for mongo I see are "I didn't wanna design a proper DB" type shituations
glass crag
True, the infrastructure can be easier too, there's a lot of nosql serverless options
foggy veldt
every time I want to use mongodb for something just to have a project with it in my portfolio the data is always relational so I just fallback to postgres
vernal moth
^
tall flame
any of you guys economy for ur server?
wide chasm
Apparently we have some Oracle DBs running somewhere
smoky cloud
My entire company is moving to Oracle Cloud 
worn crest
I've got mariadb for mc and postgres for Django backend š probably mongo if some plugins need it and Scylla if I need more performance
void void
it's good when you just need a fast json-like db
keys and data only no relational stuff
worn crest
So postgres and mongo? Dunno
glass crag
Postgres has good json support these days too
half escarp
Does anyone here have a big network and have suggestions about how to keep server plugins (custom made) always up to date all over the network
lilac zephyr
Docker base image with all of those required plugins and then extend those images with gamemode specific plugins, settings etc
vernal moth
script that downloads plugins from nexus
neat oyster
boi (hello)
half escarp
im also wondering about daily restart, no one likes to get kicked for a restart
and networks take a while to restart
half escarp
š¤ what other server
neat oyster
like a lobby or sum
half escarp
like whole network is restarting, means lobby is also restarting
lilac zephyr
dont restart them at the same time?
half escarp
(and proxy)
radiant oriole
You donāt have to restart your proxy
half escarp
i don't have to restart any server then
radiant oriole
You really donāt have to restart anything if you find and fix all the memory leaks, I havenāt restarted my survival server in almost 30 days
lilac zephyr
If you really want to restart a proxy, you should run multiple proxies and start new proxies & drain connections from the old proxies and when there are no connections left -> stop old proxies
half escarp
When do you think a server would restart
neat oyster
i keep my proxy in diff host lol i use 3 hosts
radiant oriole
Whenever you tell it to
half escarp
Im also wondering if anyone knows, in hypixel the timer wait before playing does it count ticks or seconds (when ur in bedwars and waiting for game to start)
void void
wdym?
radiant oriole
Only time I ever restart is if I need to do an update that I canāt hot reload for
void void
Probably just a runnable?
golden gust
half escarp
Im planning to make a network im planning proxy to choose server with least player count for next minigame, this won't work if i want to empty a server for a restart
golden gust
I mean, thats where proper integration comes into play
e.g. flagging services which you wanna drain out so that they don't accept new clients on existing copies, etc
half escarp
I wonder how server owners develop their servers for months when no one is playing, and paying for the server just fine
I know a network of average 1.5k players and its owner confirmed 3 months of coding, and it looks like he hit 100 servers in his proxy
golden gust
I mean, very few people do this properly in the first place
otherwise you basically have an admin who knows how to use the tools and use reasonably priced dedi's, etc
there are random plugins which try to do this stuff, "cloud systems", but, they look kinda bleh, but, if you don't wanna learn how to use all of the tech stack or have the funds to pay somebody who does š¤·āāļø
radiant oriole
I wonder how server owners develop their servers for months when no one is playi...
In any large server operation, the server costs are one of the cheaper expense classes. Hiring employees costs way way more.
golden gust
as said, pretty much nobody does this properly off the bat
radiant oriole
3 months of servers does not cost much at all, especially if itās just a development load
lilac zephyr
dev locally š¤·āāļø
golden gust
everybody throws some shit together and tosses it out and slowly changes stuff and acruse many years of devops debt in the process because customers online == $$$$$$
I mean, if you've got top end hardware, sure
otherwise you'd need to buy boxes, ensure you have a decent connection for testing and toying with stuff, assuming you did it properly, which is the entire caveat here
radiant oriole
everybody throws some shit together and tosses it out and slowly changes stuff a...
This this this this this. But to be honest this is the best way to do it if youāre on a budget. And even if youāre not on a budget, you can maybe spend some more time to reduce the tech debt, but you should still prioritize releasing A S A P because until you do, you donāt even know if players are going to want what you built.
golden gust
I've not seen a sucessful largescale network which hasn't been like months upon months of dev work and having a decent team to create a network which actually scales
radiant oriole
(Shit sorry for ping lol)
golden gust
I still remember some of the joys of stories from agentk over the years
bearing he started all this stuff before containers and shit really blew up
There where quite a few things I kinda recall him wishing they'd done years ago
radiant oriole
Thatās life though
golden gust
yup
neat oyster
is it just me who uses bots as clipboard
golden gust
I keep meaning to get up on rancher and shit
radiant oriole
Itās about what moves the business forward and often paying down tech debt doesnāt do that
abstract aspen
@neat oyster ping
golden gust
Yea, joys of it all, you don't really have the time as a business to say "Hey, lets have a few hours of downtime and migrate everything over to this better platform", anything that happens towards moving platforms has to be basically transparent which, sometimes trivial, sometimes you've got the devops team running around in circles clucking like chickens
radiant oriole
As a developer who owns a business I have to balance both sides of the equation lol so I definitely understand it from both perspectives
golden gust
vernal moth
big bang migrations are often not feasible
we migrate incrementally and shim stuff with HA proxies between old env and new env
golden gust
got many shims in this bad boy
slaps
entire stack of boxes starts shakin violently cascading all the way to the top
rare python
So because I have covid I am doing college work from home
And were starting an "app development" unit today
We have been told to learn how to use "MIT App Inventor"
Which is some web thingy for making apps in a horrible scratch-like way.
I am now installing android sdk so I can do this properly.
vernal moth
android studio ftw
rare python
I am now installing android sdk so I can do this properly.
This is not a joke...
I was talking to my classmates on teams and I just sent a screenshot of the email and just put "is this an insult?"
Not sure what I expected considering they did the programming unit with visual basic
full rune
worn ember
android studio ftw
your hard drive and your RAM would like a word 
worn ember
an ssd is also a hard drive bro
rare python
No
smoky cloud
When itās ready I guess
vernal moth
when we know its not gonna destroy peoples worlds
we value stability, so testing is important
guess pufferfish people test in prod for us now
twin lagoon
been running that branch in production for a few days
works fine
makes 1.18 usable
vernal moth
make we should collect experience like that in the PR thread?
radiant oriole
Iāve also been told by many people that theyāre using it without issues which is why I pulled it
Purpur also just pulled it
worn ember
golden gust
magic trick to get networking working!
just reboots the entire machine
idk how the fuck I fucked it up, but, it works now
NoMachine works again, woo
tropic mural
hello, is there som plugin that show what version some players are playing?
languid karma
If u have viaversion installed there is a command which tells u
real saddle
hloo
im back
how to knock back a player like if they stands near a npc more than 3 seconds etc etc
anyplugins or anyideas
ohh dead chat
waxen panther
ohh dead chat
spare venture
still sorrel
player.sendActionBar("Ā§cinsufficient permissions");```I really should not be doing this in 2022
any good tutorial on how these components work?
default void sendActionBar(final @NotNull Component message) {}```want to implement this method
crystal lilyBOT
still sorrel
hm this is new
or at least new since I last did anything minecraft related 4 years ago
is this paper only?
limber knotBOT
depends on what you want to do. #paper-dev for development questions btw.
real saddle
how to knock back a player like if they stands near a npc more than 3 seconds et...
do anyone know this
little frost
adventure very epic
still sorrel
// Creates a line of text saying "You're a Bunny! Press <key> to jump!", with some colouring and styling.
final TextComponent textComponent2 = Component.text()
.content("You're a ")
.color(TextColor.color(0x443344))
.append(Component.text().content("Bunny").color(NamedTextColor.LIGHT_PURPLE).build())
.append(Component.text("! Press "))
.append(
Component.keybind().keybind("key.jump")
.color(NamedTextColor.LIGHT_PURPLE)
.decoration(TextDecoration.BOLD, true)
.build()
)
.append(Component.text(" to jump!"))
.build();
// now you can send `textComponent2` to something, such as a client```really curious how this will looknever had this cool stuff when I started developing
real saddle
do anyone know this
any one know this
real saddle
is this a plugin??
real saddle
hm idk anything
little frost
how are you sending that
still sorrel
via player.sendMessage
little frost
any other plugins?
still sorrel
player.sendMessage(textComponent2);```something is downsampling it
still sorrel
no other plugins
just my plugin
I haven't required it explicitly in my gradle config but it should be included by paper by default
I hope
let me test if adding it changes anything
it all looks the same
I'll take this to #paper-dev
little frost
oh
i didn't even look at the example code but yeah looks like it's working, thought it was being downsampled to black
bad example in the docs tbh, should have a brighter color
@untold meadow can you believe this
neat oyster
after seeing that man i have decided NOT to even visit contabo website to avoid trauma
he is Photoshoped in too
radiant oriole
if you read the picture as "or else" it's way funnier
vernal moth
I bet 90% of images on my company website we didn't take ourselves
we just add some filter to them and BAH, CI is happy
twin lagoon
@lavish compass
neat oyster
we just add some filter to them and BAH, CI is happy
susy that's why it is blurry af
on contabos ad
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
neat oyster
lol
vernal moth
200kb vs 28kb
https://www.gothaer.de/media/n/privatkunden/haus_und_wohnung/hausrat/hausratversicherung_20_7_large.jpg
vs
https://www.gothaer.de/media/n/privatkunden/haus_und_wohnung/hausrat/hausratversicherung_20_7_large.jpg?orig=true
lavish compass
@twin lagoon
tropic mural
If u have viaversion installed there is a command which tells u
Thanks
spice hawk
left swift
go away
plucky sparrow
please
neat oyster
that is the best thing on genral today if u ask me
left swift
no one asked you
left swift
neat oyster
its a wild theory hard to understand for some people
foggy veldt
I bet 90% of images on my company website we didn't take ourselves
Mini works at streamlabs confirmed
left swift
they call their product slobs for a reason
foggy veldt
Confession I do the same thing somewhat with text but at least I donāt just copy paste I try to change the wording a bit
Words are hard
Iām a level 3 description yoinker
neat oyster
that picture i sent is a rabbit hole it goes even deeper
that is compressed atleast 3 times before contabo
radiant oriole
there are at least 10 people that are going to look at that photo, not see what's wrong with it, and wonder why they are stupid
quasi valley
LOL
warm anchor
Yeah
warm anchor
@radiant oriole
radiant oriole
LMFAO
hot badge
idk how you guys hold the soldering iron but that seems correct to me
warm anchor
(They are both holding the hot part)
hot badge
that seems normal to me
radiant oriole
first one-
holding the hot part (ow)
cable is dangling in a dangerous way
atttempting to solder super tiny SMD components a $5 soldering iron
there's no way she could possibly see what she's soldering at that distance
typically when you're soldering something you need like 3-4 hands, and her other hand is just sitting idle, wtf
warm anchor
quasi valley
Time to solder eternity's weebness away
quasi valley
what kind of hat
magic river
We're finally starting to see games optimized for SSDs, too bad they're only on PS5 š
foggy veldt
Speaking of PlayStation I saw discord finally added psn connections
magic river
Dying Light 2 on PS5: 25.4 GB
on PS4: 51 GB
on PC: ~60 GB
Some of that is going to be kraken (hw decompression) too, of course
Most of it is probably optimizing for SSD so they don't need to store duplicates to ensure data locality
foggy veldt
Doesnāt PS5 have some next gen quantum computing gigachad proprietary ssd formula tho?
I remember that was the hype during the launch marketing
magic river
That's kraken
foggy veldt
Ah
magic river
RAD Game Tools basically does compression tools, that's their whole company
Oodle Kraken is a thing you can get for PC too
limber knotBOT
Bink Video... now that is a name that I have heard on pretty much every game in the last 30 years
š
magic river
But every PS5 dev license includes a license for Oodle Kraken and Sony put a hardware accelerator for decompressing it in the PS5
Even without kraken the PS5 has a really fast SSD though
It's a custom thing that's like halfway between a consumer SSD and an enterprise one so they could get high speeds without cutting edge NAND
It has a more expensive controller so they can have more channels which is usually an enterprise thing
limber knotBOT
can't wait for there to be info on what the fast Steam Deck SSD will actually be š (or has there been some and I've missed that?)
magic river
Steam Deck is just a standard eMMC or NVMe SSD, afaik
I think even the eMMC version has an M.2 slot, not sure
In which case the cheap model might actually have been the best one to get
limber knotBOT
well the 512GB model is supposed to be a faster NVMe than the 256GB nvme?
or something like that
limber knotBOT
I mean, only the expensive one has a non-glare screen š
(but I guess there will be anti-glare foils anyways)
limber knotBOT
the important part is the exclusive keyboard theme anyways!
magic river
If the cheap one has eMMC and an empty M.2 slot that means you could get the most storage in it
limber knotBOT
(which totally wont be leaked and installable on all of them on day one)
magic river
Some guy on /r/SteamDeck had the same thought as me and swapped his 256GB deposit for a 64GB one
limber knotBOT
depending on the form factor actually getting an SSD that fits might not be cheaper though but who knows
limber knotBOT
you cheater lol
limber knotBOT
oh I thought you meant you had a steam deck š
my reservation still says Q2 ;_;
magic river
I had to take some pliers to the XPS SSD holder to fit a full size drive in there š
waxen panther
amaranth most based papermc general chatter
magic river
It has a 2280 sized piece of metal to shield the SSD but it had a clip in the middle to hold a 2230 drive down, you're supposed to give Dell like $15 to get a different piece of metal if you want to put a 2280 in there
I just bent the clip up out of the way
left swift
amaranth most based papermc general chatter
magic river
I wonder if an SD card is better or worse than a HDD
I think it's better, so long as you get a good one
Like, they have some that are 300-400MB/s reads and 90MB/s writes
Valve seems to think SD card won't be a problem so they must be counting on it being better than HDD
haughty bear
this is a very suspicious question, but are there any effective ways to unlock an encrypted USB which deletes itself? On windows there's a readable and unreadable partition, but on linux I can't even see the readable one
magic river
Sure, put in the password š
haughty bear
...if the password is something that you forgot 5 years ago
charred monolith
If you can't see it on linux, is it possible an NTFS partition? In that case, it may be a driver issue
magic river
It sounds like the drive works like how USB cellular radios do, where it shows up as a USB storage device until the driver sends it a special USB command that makes it disconnect the drive and appear as a modem instead
So you're beholden to the firmware on the thing, it probably requires the password in a special command to make the other drive appear
haughty bear
interesting, I've never heard of that
here's the dmesg that I get when plugging it in
upbeat falconBOT
here's the dmesg that I get when plugging it in
dmesg.txt by @haughty bear: https://paste.gg/0ecbcd21239d4d668b622f7b776cd678
magic river
Guessing if you put in the wrong password enough times the firmware just deletes its copy of the encryption key derived from the password (a hash, kind of) and at that point you have to brute force AES256 or whatever, although you'd have to get access to the hidden drive still first
haughty bear
from what I understand, it has a CD ROM "partition" (is that even the right term here?) which windows can read, and a USB "partition" which is unlocked from software on the CD ROM
magic river
Right
That's how those modems work too
Except instead of unlocking a USB storage you unlock a USB modem
haughty bear
you'd need to unlock a modem?
magic river
It doesn't take a password, just a magic command
It's so they can provide the software to use the modem even if you don't currently have internet
haughty bear
excuse my ignorance, but why couldn't a usb device just instantly announce it's a usb modem?
ah
magic river
Since this device is how you get internet
The driver that comes with the software on the USB CD-ROM side just instantly sends that command when you plug it in so in the future you only see it as a modem
But yeah, you probably aren't going to get this data back
haughty bear
I know a part of the password
magic river
You'd have to look for someone who reverse engineered the thing and found an exploit
haughty bear
I was thinking of dumping the data and using some cracking tool to generate a password list
Hm fun challenge
do you think I could use a usb write blocker to manually brute force it without letting it delete the data?
magic river
No, it's not the computer that does the delete
There is a little embedded computer in the USB drive that does it, you can't block that
In general for this kind of thing the answer is to take the drive apart and wire up a direct connection to the NAND
haughty bear
where can I read more about this? I'd like to actually try it
the data on it is not that important, but I'd just like to decrypt it anyway
magic river
You can't just solder some wires on, pretty sure you need some specialized equipment
haughty bear
ah
magic river
You would essentially be transplanting the NAND from this thing to a new drive
Even that isn't enough though, you also have to reverse engineer how the drive is deriving the encryption key
haughty bear
it sounds like something that, if I had the money and equipment for, I would like to try
magic river
Otherwise you'd have to just brute force AES256 which afaik is a "heat death of the universe will happen first" kind of thing
Even with a quantum computer that we aren't even sure can be created
haughty bear
so you're saying, it's technically possible?
magic river
lol
Even if the bitcoin network was trying to brute force AES-128 instead of whatever stupid thing they do it would still take 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years
And that's just 128-bit
For the quantum computer part:
Cracking AES-128 would take an estimated 2,953 logical qubits and AES-256 would require 6,681. In 2020, the largest quantum computer had 65 qubits with a goal of hitting 1,000 by 2023.
More likely if you paid the right people enough money they could find some kind of exploit in the firmware
Or they'd be able to reverse engineer the key derivation function and clone the NAND so they could brute force the password instead of the encryption key
haughty bear
It's not about the actual data lol, I just want(ed) to try to unlock it myself
But hearing about how complicated that would be, I don't think I'd be able to
although I'm curious about this whole technology where it pretends to be a storage device, then turns into a modem/whatever else
is there a name for that technique?
magic river
Looks like for microSD the best you can do right now is 160MB/s reads and 90MB/s writes although for some reason those are V30 rated so it must have some caveat to that 90MB/s
That's still a little better than a normal HDD though and presumably it does a lot better on random read/write
Ah yeah, and an A2 rated microSD (the best ones I can see are A2 and V30) can do 4000 IOPS for random read while a HDD can only do like 70
Basically microSD cards are now where SSDs were in like 2010
Only $33 for 256GB too
hushed plover
hey guys
jade flax
hate to see it
ashen forum
Is there a way to make multiple servers inside your server?
Similar to hypixel connecting you to a separate server to play each minigame
jade flax
Using a proxy and some plugins sure
not going to be something that you can do easily out of the box
daring owl
What ssh clients do people use
ashen forum
Is there a reccomended plugin for this? Or is it something I have to do more research into
jade flax
You'll have to do more research into it
ashen forum
Alright
south matrix
What ssh clients do people use
gnome-terminal 
jade flax
I will recommend learning more about proxies, how they work etc
daring owl
`gnome-terminal` <:trollface:936219730430291978>
e
hushed plover
off a random
south matrix
and that gives you even less of an excuse
jade flax
Means you didn't proof read lol
granite slate
Hi guys, this is the diagram of a multiplication algorithm of a floating point number. Does anyone know what is the bias?
warm anchor
Do your own homework 
granite slate
I'm trying to do it. But idk what is bias XD
spare venture
experience is spelled wrong on your website
itās worse than you made it seem
waxen panther
Poggers
worn ember
didnt know the wtf tld still exists
left swift
stonks
magic river
rare tiger
https://myip.wtf/
I now have YourFuckingLocation
hexed dragon
limber knotBOT
hey
twin lagoon
@lavish compass š„ŗ
half escarp
How do networks like hypixel load new worlds for minigames without any lag
jade flax
and stuff like kubernetes
left swift
magic
half escarp
they start new servers
Bruh ofc they dont start a new server for every game
Thats too much ram usage
jade flax
but... they do
twin lagoon
they do
you have to keep in mind hypixel has 1500 dedicated servers
multiple terabytes of RAM
jade flax
all in the name of "stability"
half escarp
you have to keep in mind hypixel has 1500 dedicated servers
.... Bruh
jade flax
In-fact, they published an article on their infra once
twin lagoon
Twitter
jade flax
but it isn't
half escarp
Uhh ive seen a skywars plugin that loaded a world and there was no lag
Which is impossible
twin lagoon
jade flax
https://hypixel.net/threads/dev-blog-5-storing-your-skyblock-island.2190753/ this also is some more in-depth info
twin lagoon
yeah you have to keep in mind hypixel isn't using your standard spigot jar
and an ancient version of minecraft
lilac zephyr
Iirc they have couple worlds per instance for skyblock and homes, might be same thing for minigames
Or was it housing
twin lagoon
nothing prevents you from making world loading async
lilac zephyr
No idea, i dont play there
half escarp
nothing prevents you from making world loading async
Wait world loading can be async?
twin lagoon
anything can be async
half escarp
Ive found a plugin called slime world manager and i think im gonna use it, can it be async
twin lagoon
it can be
twin lagoon
that also exists
merry talon
anything can be async, you just gotta put the work in to make sure it should be
upbeat falconBOT
jade flax
yep
twin lagoon
eitherway
hypixel isn't using your standard spigot jar
they don't need to give a shit about api compatibility
merry talon
I heard they fixed the lag by running it at 40tps instead
jade flax
inb4 [ASYNC] [40TPS] [Paper Fork] /s
lilac zephyr
I think that I saw a fork that had /settps
half escarp
Is there a 1.8 version of that
merry talon
oh jesus
half escarp
Anyone recommend slime world manager? Should i use it
lilac zephyr
If you know how to use it, sure
twin lagoon
if not, no
half escarp
Not big deal docs are everywhere
half escarp
I just need to figure out if it can do its stuff async
lilac zephyr
Does it have to be async?
twin lagoon
i don't think it's able to do async world loading
lilac zephyr
Async is cool but it is not needed everywhere
jade flax
You don't need a billion dedis to create a stable, scalable, environment
half escarp
Also i dont think every game with its own server, no server instantly starts
twin lagoon
you'd have servers ready to go ^
half escarp
(Hypixel)
jade flax
either way, thinking async is your only option is a bad way to go about it
half escarp
Im just gonna ask if swm supports async loading
I think it does since it already has its own format, so why not async
twin lagoon
it won't
jade flax
Good luck with responses, that repo is essentially dead
twin lagoon
SWM is maintained here now https://github.com/Paul19988/Advanced-Slime-World-Manager
half escarp
They have a discord.....
twin lagoon
async world loading isn't something you'd add in a plugin
lilac zephyr
Does paper have async world loading š¤
twin lagoon
no
twin lagoon
i actually wouldn't be too surprised if they managed to pull it off
i remember them looking into it
and (A)SWM does require more than just the plugin
it does class modification with a java agent
jade flax
interesting
half escarp
Did hypixel admins tell us if their timer is based on ticks or seconds
twin lagoon
why does that matter
half escarp
Well their server is good i wanna know what i would do
twin lagoon
they're successful but that doesn't mean they're a good example
twin lagoon
no they don't
half escarp
This is what people like
twin lagoon
if people liked servers to be an exact copy of hypixel they'd be playing on hypixel
jade flax
what evidence do you have to back this claim?
half escarp
Remember ppl are sometimes banned
jade flax
and I am sure it is for a good reason
half escarp
Yeah but i believe some unfair bans happen
twin lagoon
what do bans have to do with the point you're trying to make
half escarp
Yeah anyway i just wanna know if ticks, or seconds is better for peformance
jade flax
regardless, the vast majority of people who want to play on servers like hypixel... play on hypixel
half escarp
What if server lagging
jade flax
let's not forget what TPS means
half escarp
20 ticks can be 5 seconds with lag
jade flax
if server is lagging, fix issue
half escarp
What if i can't lol
jade flax
that means your tickrate is less than 20
twin lagoon
right now try loading a world without impacting performance
jade flax
if it takes 5 seconds to process 20 ticks you have a TPS of 4
golden gust
Once again
half escarp
Tps was down and server wasnt even able to restart lol
half escarp
Me
golden gust
somebody wrote a chunk of code and probably never looked at it again
the entire game works in ticks
half escarp
Well but still remembers how they did it
jade flax
not every developer remembers how they wrote every single bit of code
golden gust
That's such a minute detail that nobody cares
left swift
sup cat
golden gust
spamming the same question is not gonna change the fact that it's a trivial implementation detail nobody gives a shit about or cares
spiral robin
left swift
one of those nights huh
ashen cliff
Anyone got like 6kW to spare?
https://posili.me/i/vinZHX8Q-2022-02-02_00-59-48.png
worn ember
@true canyon imagine if windlace gave 140 attack speed
true canyon
yes pls
spare venture
someone in my apartment complex has a bosnia license plate bracket
ashen cliff
Fact.
cosmic raft
magic river
Interesting, clang still special cases 0.0 and uses xor to create it while gcc loads it from a literal like any other number
cosmic raft
@golden gust https://twitter.com/scarytoilet
golden gust
WTF'
cosmic raft
lmao
worn ember
@warm anchor games like this piss me off lmao
i held the game for like 40 minutes with 3-4 man black holes and pa somehow manages to die every time anyway lol
warm anchor
Nice PA on radiant team @worn ember
fallen herald
what is the best bungee for the 1.8 - 1.18.1?
twin lagoon
waterfall
fallen herald
some fork?
jade flax
waterfall is the best bungee fork, see #waterfall-help for more info
rough pulsar
people refuse to switch versions due to the updated combat system however (electroniccat)
golden gust
irrelevant
rough pulsar
irrelevant
wdym by that?
golden gust
why do I care?
void void
people refuse to switch versions due to the updated combat system however (elect...
...you can have the 1.8 combat system on newer versions
golden gust
why is it relevant to anything?
minor otter
Deez nuts
void void
huh?
rough pulsar
why is it relevant to anything?
all of their gamemodes are based around the 1.8 combat system and people would not switch to current versions, simon said it himself on twitter
golden gust
I still don't get how that is relevant
jade flax
How did we get on the topic of cat saying something from the version hypixel uses
rough pulsar
wait
void void
"b- b- but hypixel said X"
rough pulsar
did he not say hypixel should throw out 8 years of work?
rough pulsar
ah
void void
lmao
jade flax
golden gust
somebody said that they should throw out their stack and use modern dumware
I said that that would be stupid using the art of "green text"
void void
somebody: me
rough pulsar
lol
void void
im right here cat! smh
jade flax
I think people fail to realize how their network truly functions and why they do what they do
rough pulsar
oh i read that wrong
void void
thank you š
rough pulsar
I think people fail to realize how their network truly functions and why they do...
after 8 years of development it must be hard to dig through all their custom API shit
golden gust
not if done properly
rough pulsar
ah the world of code documentation ^-^
jade flax
documentation, rewrites, code cleanup sessions etc
golden gust
I mean, much stuff is speculation, but, the closed wall they have means that they can do stuff that they want which aren't feasable for us
rough pulsar
need a pretty large team to do that effectively
golden gust
Heres a fun one: Their minecraft servers don't talk minecraft
void void
it probably only vaguely looks like vanilla code by now š
rough pulsar
I mean, much stuff is speculation, but, the closed wall they have means that the...
you mean that they dont share stuff publicly and have to give public support?
void void
Heres a fun one: Their minecraft servers don't talk minecraft
wait, they made their own protocol?
golden gust
I have to wonder if they have a custom JRE these days too
rough pulsar
isnt that the entire reason why protocolLib exists?
golden gust
agentk was working on some stupid shit over the years
void void
isnt that the entire reason why protocolLib exists?
wut?
golden gust
No, PL is to abstract protocol access
the MC protocol itself is pretty wasteful in the scope of things, especially where bandwidth matters
rough pulsar
o_o
golden gust
after block game dies or whatever, we need the stories and shit!
rough pulsar
after block game dies or whatever, we need the stories and shit!
truee
void void
after block game dies or whatever, we need the stories and shit!
haha š
write book now. publish in 15 years
rough pulsar
write book now. publish in 15 years
about as efficient as mojang is at adding transfer packets :P
blissful wing
hm?
rough pulsar
LOL
golden gust
Somebody is talking about joining hypickle
rough pulsar
hi thats me!
golden gust
which caused me to bust some of the shit they said about blindly
and thus, reminded me of the many stories over the years and how we need a book of the life and times at hypickle
worn ember
shudup cat 1.8 best gaime 
rough pulsar
hm?
someone on dev team told me that hypickle might run on 1.7 and cat thought you guys forked
golden gust
Yea, he used to love us a lot more back in the days
void void
so sad
rough pulsar
Yea, he used to love us a lot more back in the days
too busy developing a version that is 6 years outdated
btw ive been curious, if mojang adds transfer packets in newer versions will there be any way to make them backwards compatible to newer versions? or will old server be forced to update
golden gust
well, no
how would you make something functional on older clients which literaly doesn't exist?
Like, outside of mods, you're SOL
and mojang seems pretty held up against transfer packets as much as we've asked for them
rough pulsar
i figured, in that case if mojang added something so sought after would they make updates to all legacy versions so everyone can use them?
golden gust
no
rough pulsar
and mojang seems pretty held up against transfer packets as much as we've asked ...
i still dont understand why
magic river
The only time Mojang has ever updated an old version is for the log4j exploit
golden gust
I mean, it's kinda messy
magic river
And that was just a config file
golden gust
There are many caveats around it, and, the demand for it is pretty weak
rough pulsar
what kind of caveats?
golden gust
how do you do it securely? especially in an environment where people install a ton of shit on their servers
how do you also deal with ensuring that transfers are actually useful other than to a small niche of usecases
rough pulsar
how do you do it securely? especially in an environment where people install a t...
i suppose modders would be very susceptible to accidently causing vulnerabilities
rough pulsar
well yes ig i was tryin to imply those
the transfers themselves would mainly be useful for larger servers though for multiple regions, but outside of that ig they are a bit of a hassle
native wolf
someone on dev team told me that hypickle might run on 1.7 and cat thought you g...
Well yeah, Hypickle runs on heavily modified 1.7
But it's so cutomized that it doesn't fall in any particular category
blissful wing
sorry was mid-gaming
yeah give it a few years and i'll have many stories to tell
then again, 5 years ago I'd have thought that MC would be irrelevant by now
so
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
true canyon
nda expiry when
golden gust
ā¤ļø
blissful wing
less about nda, more about not wanting to talk about potentially vulnerable systems
or take away from hypixel's competitive advantage š
true canyon
log4pixel
minor otter
I have 15$ left on my giftcard for the curry resturant next door if that will change your mind.
jagged widget
how would i go about making it not say "(player) left the game" when they change servers under velocity, and show all players under velocity in the tablist?
tropic flame
then again, 5 years ago I'd have thought that MC would be irrelevant by now
as long as I'm alive, playing and shit? never š
lavish abyss
Morning peeps
lavish compass
<@!290921387655430144> š„ŗ
lilac zephyr
how do you do it securely? especially in an environment where people install a t...
Some sort of token for your server that has some sort of requirements and then you need to share them between servers š¤·āāļø
fringe shard
Someone could consult me āāwith the residences, because in the residence there is a dispensary with voodoo, even though I have everything allowed.
warm anchor
Itās premium plugin and youāve paid for it. Ask on their support page @fringe shard
fringe shard
hm okay
cloud siren
suggest me a good anticheat for paper
warm anchor
suggest me a good anticheat for paper
A mature player base and good community where no one cheats
cloud siren
š©
I have a bedrock server but some player using hack.
For this reason i decided to Make cross server
warm anchor
I have bad news for you about anti-cheat on java and bedrock playerā¦
cloud siren
??
golden gust
bedrock and java behave differently
cloud siren
bedrock and java behave differently
yes
golden gust
you'll basically have to open the hole wider to accomidate for that, or theres a few anti cheats which are disabled in those setups
don't mention
warm anchor
I call it pain in the ass
rare python
suggest me a good anticheat for paper
The ban command.
warm anchor
But best of luck to you 
tropic flame
I mean I understand why they exist
i don't
runs
mild python
is here anybody familiar with c#? got a stupid question
assume i have two methods
class A
{
public async Task<B> bAsync() ...
public async Task<C> cAsync() ...
}
What is the prettiest way/oneliner to call first bAsync and once it finishes then call cAsync and store its result in a variable.
im looking for something simple like
var c = await a.bAsync().andThen(a.cAsync))
hollow brook
void void
looks like it
twin lagoon
@untold meadow thoughts
untold meadow
Hmm, looks like an error occurred while contacting login servers, are they down ?
void void
yeah
untold meadow
@waxen panther thoughts
void void
whats this chain of thoughts asking
warm anchor
This is a group activities
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944> thoughts
Not sure, im having a hard time reading the sentence
@warm anchor thoughts?
warm anchor
World is ending. Minecraft session server has been dead for 180 second
twin lagoon
@warm anchor
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
void void
how much do you have to sponsor for sponsor role
twin lagoon
$500
void void
twin lagoon
nah i don't think there's a minimum
warm anchor
$500 will put you on top list
void void
wait why's the due today higher than monthly amount
