i remember spending hours making item shops at spawn lol
#general
worn ember
golden gust
Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<SpongeOptional<T>>>>>>>>>>
in the ye' ol' words of akky-chan
worn ember
.optionals command wen
worn ember
red timber
but y
worn ember
grand pewter
just in case you need to kill your pods by playing minecraft at the same time
you get lots of porkchop that way
worn ember
true
red timber
chaos engineering
leave your kubecraftadmin unfirewalled/unwhitelisted, wait for a troll to join the server and kiss your blockchain cluster goodbye
grim island
I was linked this the other day https://github.com/docker/dockercraft
grand pewter
their logo is kind of cool though ngl
worn ember
haha
woven idol
Hi guys i want a plugin for players to teleport them somewhere but they need to wait 1 minute to teleport without moving
worn ember
i love useless projects like this
worn ember
Hi guys i want a plugin for players to teleport them somewhere but they need to ...
are those to specific locations? or random locations
woven idol
are those to specific locations? or random locations
specific
i want to use essentials but i can t set a specifical warp time to wait
worn ember
if you know how to make plugins you could make an plugin that hooks into it
mental meadow
Is there a good offline/bootable AV that people use nowadays? I think last time I used Kaspersky Rescue Disk but that thing kinda sucked
mental meadow
yeah, but I'd prefer something that I can boot into
golden gust
er, most of them are basically linux live CDs running a scanner which are often kinda lacking, tbqh
I think norton had a disk now
but, that's norton
mental meadow
not gonna install a crypto miner lol
golden gust
it's a live CD...
AVG has their rescue CD
all of them kinda suck ass in some form of manner, ngl
mental meadow
yea, I just had that open as well, just wanted to know if anyone got some recommendation or experience with one
golden gust
often it's better to just see if you can get into safe mode and run a scan there
Nobody really uses that type of shit bar last resort
Like, they're often kinda limited vs their "actually installed" counterparts
use them as a means to see if you can clean up enough to get into safe mode and then run from there, pretty much
woven idol
if you know how to make plugins you could make an plugin that hooks into it
i don t know :))
plucky sparrow
For anyone interested in console architectures or just reading interesting shit, https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/
This guy details the architecture of consoles very well and it’s quite enjoyable
golden gust
faint crystal
what are requirements for contributor role
red timber
don't work for the role
topaz mortar
Guess more than 10 commit and at least 400 loc in total. 🤷♂️ At least that's what they all have in common.
Would interest me as well.
nova umbra
Anyone know how to change schem/schematic file to customname.Structure ?
golden gust
I mean, there is no strict requirements, main thing we spot is activity
ofc, stuff is naunced especially when everybody is busy/dead, and everytime we get the queue under 200 fucking machine shows up
God I hate him
red timber
lmao
faint crystal
WE LOVE MACHINE
topaz mortar
Just upstream Waterfall.
Upstream Waterfall -> Water flowing upwards 
golden gust
mfw just killing the project off in a few years is preferable towards having to deal with md
ashen cliff
Hard fork, hard fork, hard f... oh wait.
faint crystal
ok but hangar wen
red timber
ah yeah turn wf into hard fork
golden gust
That's basically velocity 😄
viral mulch
golden gust
waterfall basically has me worn tf out
Like, in orer to do much of what I really wanna do and do it well
I gotta break compat with bungee
or, do stupid shit to work around compat issues
topaz mortar
Not worth your time.
golden gust
Like, getting a single fucking boolean around to be able to disable entity metadata reliably, hooooly fuuuuucking shiiiiiit
twin lagoon
https://twitter.com/giographic1995/status/1479891303781392384
@warm anchor thoughts
red timber
That's basically velocity 😄
but bungeecord api!!1!1
red timber
myes
unkempt drift
ofc, stuff is naunced especially when everybody is busy/dead, and everytime we g...
if you, idk, approved some PRs, might not be an issue 😛
unkempt drift
Pr count > issue count when?
golden gust
I will fucking fall asleep on you
I was actually having a semi good brain week last week, idk how or why
and then wednesday happened
kinda hit me like a frying pan
ashen cliff
Ah. I still mirror that.
void void
is github unblocked in china or something?
not yet
i scrolled past this fast
inb4 you summon jroy
and thought it was him as shrek
They're using sites like Github because they know the government can't block them without destroying the chinese tech industry
ah so github isnt blocked in china or what?
yeah
it's far too important for the tech industry
golden gust
github has been blocked before afaik
void void
it's far too important for the tech industry
ofc but
golden gust
void void
figured china would have its own knock off
was about to send the same result, odd
XitHub
some other site says it does work though
golden gust
theres many self hosted solutions
void void
those sites always say blocked no matter what i put in
i could put in like asdinwivne.com
void void
it tests if it can connects
yeah but even random obscure websites that would no reason to be blocked are blocked
lmao, my own personal website is blocked in china
🤣
gitlab ain't blocked
golden gust
I mean, site is probs borked
but, who knows
as I said, github has been blocked by china multiple times before
void void
wikipedia says it's currently blocked in Tibet and Xinjiang autonomous regions
seems like a bad financial decision to block random websites
ah, another site said my site isn't blocked. that would be super funny if it was tho lol
perhaps CCP should reconsider
void void
they are already brainwashed lmao
if you show them anti chinese propaganda they just dismiss it
golden gust
I mean
if you're caught with that type of shit you're often in for hell or targeting
not worth it
void void
nah i just mean like
if you talk to them on discord
i have a chinese friend on discord when i talk to them about social credit they insist its not real
golden gust
using a VPN to bypass censorship is one thing
void void
many in china do yeah
golden gust
using a VPN to bypass censorship to talk shit about a government which is crazy is an entirely different thing
I mean,media over sensationalises stuff
So, who knows how much and to what extent is true
there is a chinese person that I trust fairly well who says that it's not as bad as western media tries to make it out to be, but it's not exactly ultra safe either
void void
obviously there is some hyperbole yeah
but you cant just say social credit aint real 🤨
latent flint
Does Paper have a recommended hosting service to use? One where you can sign up and it sets up the server for you.
vernal moth
GitHub being blocked is the reason gitmemory exists
golden gust
bloom, dedimc, etc
stray oyster
UNIX signals, a summary:
HUP: your user is dead
INT: your user wants you dead
BUS: your CPU wants you dead
CHLD: your child is probably dead
FPE: the IEEE wants you dead
PIPE: your muse is dead
ABRT: you want you dead
TERM: systemd wants you dead
WINCH: the terminal was resized
ILL: No, that's not how you program this CPU.
TRAP: You are being dissected by a debugger.
EMT: How the fuck did you get this one?
I love it thanks Reddit
golden gust
any shared host will get a basic environment started for you
void void
why is everything in early computing linked to bell labs
golden gust
UNIX?
I mean, literally every environment in certain areas if catagorised as if it's unix-like or not
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360> thoughts
True. Couldn’t tell difference
viscid wedge
UNIX signals, a summary:
HUP: your user is dead
INT: your user wants you dead
B...
my favourite is FPE lmao
stray oyster
Guess more than 10 commit and at least 400 loc in total. 🤷♂️ At least that's w...
I’d say be at a point where a team member clicks on merge and doesn’t bother to check because your previous stuff checked out and your logic seems fine
golden gust
we're still tryna work out how Five even got in the building
stray oyster
we're still tryna work out how Five even got in the building
Ask your own lazy very good looking behind ❤️
stray oyster
More like you used the ring app to unlock the front door and have me deliver the food right to your couch
I just kinda stuck around
golden gust
he left mc
viscid wedge
O
golden gust
cotton eyed joe
golden gust
yes
plucky sparrow
what the fuc
viscid wedge
crying
plucky sparrow
same
nothing good is left
not that simple was good but still
it really is only @left swift and @worn ember left 😔
viscid wedge
bitch
plucky sparrow
toxic
golden gust
plucky sparrow
is simple in any other server of interest
viscid wedge
I have no mutual servers
merry talon
hes in his own
plucky sparrow
I have him added as a friend from back in July
viscid wedge
simplecord invite plz
plucky sparrow
me 2 pls
viscid wedge
I also have him added, I could just ask myself
merry talon
can I post that here orr
plucky sparrow
dm
viscid wedge
they open for a reason
plucky sparrow
yea!
golden gust
i mean
I won't ban you
but, I can't do much about my children
especially when food wanders on its own
or whatever the fuck it ws said, idk, harry potter aragog scene
plucky sparrow
I blame cat for all this
red timber
time to bury cat into his sand
left swift
tough tiger
hey uh, anyone heard of a plugin that allows players to afk in a certain spot and get items randomly?
like uh a Afk Pit?
void void
lmao
tropic flame
it really is only <@121769553603723265> and <@208641151509463051> left 😔
you forgot me, the based doraemon enjoyer
plucky sparrow
Fair enough
worthy geode
SMP with extras? 
warm anchor
every SMP
we are unique
Unique with off the shelf plugin from top spigot plugin list
viscid wedge
or they just use purpur
plucky sparrow
SMP but creepers explode into nuclear bombs 🤩 never seen before!!
viscid wedge
or they just use purpur
Enabling the option that damages players who sprint with shears and telling nobody was the funniest shit
short yarrow
what are you folks thoughts on coding bootcamps? i think it is a small percentage, but there are a good amount of people getting a job after like 12 week or however many weeks of coding bootcamp
short yarrow
i started off programming plugins and it's been like 7-8 years and i still feel like i have so much to learn. so i was curious how anyone gets to a decent level to get a job after 12 weeks. i feel like frontend is somewhat do able which i think is what most bootcamps teach
golden gust
I mean
every dev still has shit to learn
you don't get to a "decent level" after 12 weeks
you get to a level where you've shown that you're able and willing to learn how to do stuff on the job and have gained some foundational core knowledge of stuff
magic river
worn ember
I've been programming on and off since I was 13 and got more serious about it the last 6 years so I've been programming for a decade and also still got tonnes to learn but at this point I don't feel it's java holding me back but understanding the API and it's implementation in the case of bukkit
It's all about what you understand under "decent"
warm anchor
@unkempt drift should post your vanilla tweak onto new paper forum 
tacit dome
Welp
After a rigorous bug fixing and code cleaning session
I finally got a running build of my world gen to work on paper 1.18
with the new backend system which will make future development waay better
half hawk
huh <https://twitter.com/fbfbdjdbdnnddn/status/1479629111010156544>
whaaaat
tacit dome
in which string format does Bukkit#getMinecraftVersion return the version string
soft dew
does anybody know if there is a simular plugin to this for 1.18.1? https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/must-have-name-hide-no-lag-client-side.83899/
this one errors
worn ember
in which string format does Bukkit#getMinecraftVersion return the version string
Can easily check by just printing it out
soft dew
upbeat falconBOT
message.txt by @soft dew: https://paste.gg/a8d3d470ec5c49018041121c7ae244a6
viscid wedge
marble lark
I've been programming on and off since I was 13 and got more serious about it th...
everyone here has like twice the years of experience that I do wtf
magic river
Twitter
golden gust
I was bored
and, I had erm, magical movie viewer open, and saw ghostbusters: afterlife
and, so, I clicked it
and damn that was amazing
formal tusk
is there any plugin for editing villager shop
worn ember
everyone here has like twice the years of experience that I do wtf
Gotta start somewhere
frank otter
hypothetically speaking
if I had found a random USB and wanted to see what was on it
is there any harm that could potentially be done if I just plug it in and mount it and ls a bit
void void
I mean, it could be one of those usb killer "testing devices"
frank otter
is there any way to know that without trying it out
I cant take it apart it's a seamless metal case
frank otter
so if I plug it into a power bank and the bank starts smoking its not good to plug into pc
golden gust
Well
Part of the thing would be more that you'd hear it tryna zap
But, apparently that's not even reliable
frank otter
I had a look and I can't even find a powerbank to test it on
but I'm guessing plugging a Usb killer into a powerbank would render the powerbank useless
so I could just check to see if it charges a device afterwards
frank otter
hmmm
vernal moth
dual socket epyc?
shell hinge
one socket intel potatoe that emulates 255 cores
shell hinge
Performance is actually very good
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
mossy vessel
Good morning Michele
worn ember
Apparently we have to pay like 4.8k euro for electricity from the past 3 months 
we used more than an average household does in an entire year but we dont even have any heavy machinery or anything
worn ember
i doubt my pc will make a dent in that so you're out of luck 
void void
Apparently we have to pay like 4.8k euro for electricity from the past 3 months ...
how the hell did that happen
worn ember
how the hell did that happen
thats what we're trying to figure out
void void
you mining bitcoins in the basement or smth
worn ember
no lol, and our heat boiler is even solar powered now so if anything it should go down
void void
might want to check for an extension cord coming from your neighbours house :P
worn ember
we did have some power outages due to a leakage 2 weeks back but theres no way you get up to like 2MWh of power from a leakage that doesnt even trigger the safety
void void
that is amazing
pale hinge
hi. i use griefdefender and my players cant get claim blocks hourly. economy mode is off. do you know how to fix it?
rare python
hi. i use griefdefender and my players cant get claim blocks hourly. economy mod...
Ask the developers of griefdefender.
pale hinge
i couldnt find their discord
rare python
¯_(ツ)_/¯
This is the PaperMC discord, so don't ask about individual plugins here.
Also this is general, not the help channel.
pale hinge
help channel sounds like help for paper tho
rare python
Because this discord is not for help with individual plugins.
worn ember
Because this discord is not for help with individual plugins.
its fine to ask but dont expect concrete answers if any at all
frank otter
Ded aren't you basically the authority on not giving concrete answers
pale hinge
its fine to ask but dont expect concrete answers if any at all
yeah i just wanted to ask in case someone here has experienced my issue.
i dont expect professional support or something lol
worn ember
Ded aren't you basically the authority on not giving concrete answers
i'll answer if i know though
void void
i'll answer if i know though <:kek:594643029994897408>
kinda disappointed you didn't answer that question with a not concrete ansawer
worn ember
kinda disappointed you didn't answer that question with a not concrete ansawer
i'm sorry, maybe you should do some googling or maybe do some research on your own cuz i'm not sure if this will work or not
void void
perfect, thank you
worn ember
🙂
marble lark
https://github.com/Schneegans/Burn-My-Windows
dafuq
steady raven
Hi
meager plaza
@restive harbor Are you able to friend me so I can message you?
gray shuttle
chrome cosmos
https://github.com/Schneegans/Burn-My-Windows
ahhhhhhh
it need for windows
burn the windows
when it annoys the crap out of me
frank otter
https://github.com/Schneegans/Burn-My-Windows
I wish the matrix text wasnt gnome only
I would non ironically use that it looks awesome
plucky sparrow
https://github.com/Schneegans/Burn-My-Windows
I miss gnome now
limber knotBOT
glances at his MATE desktop
marble lark
lmao
worn ember
well thats something at least
rare python
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sway-1.7-rc2
lololololol
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
jagged widget
ive now completely migrated my selfhosted server to oracle cloud and its working so much better than when my friends were being bottlenecked from my internet connection
twin lagoon
make sure you backup
jagged widget
i also have my world and plugins folder automatically backing up to google drive every 2 days
ye
jagged widget
ive heard bad things about oracle cloud but so far so good
warm anchor
You 100% need backup
jagged widget
sorry i meant to say 2 times per day
warm anchor
Also boot volume backup weekly especially right on 59th day of your free period
jagged widget
one at 11:40 pm and another at midday
warm anchor
This is very important
On 58th day I will advice you to move backup of your MC server out of oracle
jagged widget
yes yes ive heard most of the problems is from migrating from the free credits to always free
jagged widget
i still backed up the entirety of the server (edit: i backed up the entirety once to my hdd before sending to the vps) and the only things that are chaning are the world and plugins which are auto backed up to gdrive
warm anchor
And yeah it will run much better
ashen cliff
Awesome. Now I have no wifi.
plucky sparrow
Backup more often
warm anchor
That free tier is better than most shit budget host
plucky sparrow
For your safety
jagged widget
Awesome. Now I have no wifi.
proceeds to tell everyone on an internet based service
ashen cliff
Don't forget Ethernet exists.
gloomy cliff
what is the difference between io.papermc.paper and com.destroystokyo.paper when is each one used?
jagged widget
assuming that you just brickedyour router as your talking about wifi not working, it is safe to assume that your ethernet is also borked
ashen cliff
assuming that you just brickedyour router as your talking about wifi not working...
Yeah. No.
I have separate APs.
jagged widget
your already doing better than aternos 💀
cunning raft
what is the difference between `io.papermc.paper` and `com.destroystokyo.paper` ...
io.papermc.paper is the package name we use now
the other was our old one
warm anchor
Glad to see paper no longer wants to destroy Tokyo 
jagged widget
wha
mossy vessel
You have no idea 
frank otter
why was it called that
void void
iirc z wanted the email godzilla@destroystokyo.com
warm anchor
@jagged widget #paper-help message
plucky sparrow
LOL
foggy silo
I was looking for that! It got unpinned, gold!
void void
Why did that get unpinned 😔
quartz vapor
Whats the average/recommended world size for an SMP community with around 100 members? 20 active during peak
mossy vessel
Pins are no longer for banter in topic channels
warm anchor
some stat from chunky border if you need #general message
worn ember
NMF more like NFA
No Fun Allowed
waxen panther
@twin lagoon
silver nexus
i generally do 15k but my players tend to go out far since they fight a LOT
waxen panther
Are you winning in Destiny 2 yet
i was DOMINATING last night .
we did 9 dungeon runs and 2 raids
keen flame
how do i know if the client accepted this packet?
golden gust
I mean
That's website is the most documented place of that stuff
they even have the packet flow during login written
packets aren't aknowledged straight up
but, either it'll just expect that you send the next packet, or, there is a packet which is gonna be sent back to you when it does stuff
keen flame
i mean
i'm seding the packet
but i don't know if the client is accepting
cause nothing changes on the Encrypting screen on the client
should something change in this screen after sending that packet?
keen flame
the wiki doesn't says nothing about it
keen flame
oh, hmm, thanks
mossy vessel
What a theme
waxen panther
m*ven
worn ember
yeah the progres bars arent the prettiest
void void
Get a progress bar skin plugin
silver nexus
I use the nyan cat one
mossy vessel
Imagine having no theme
worn ember
i have a theme, quite like it too, just not the progress bars lul
low contrast sometimes tho
worn ember
cat crying rn
warm anchor
twin lagoon
@restive thicket 
restive thicket
o/ o/ o/ o/
spiral robin
yeah the progres bars arent the prettiest
Get Nyan cat progress bar plugin
worn ember
Get Nyan cat progress bar plugin
neiyn
void void
https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/14708-mario-progress-bar get sued by nintendo lawyers instead!
worn ember
i'm not touching anything nintendo even with a 10m pole
i bought a nintendo ds and that'll be the only nintendo product i'll ever own lul
buoyant zephyr
Just think of it like gambling
Some people get their kicks off of a slot machine
Others......DMCA and copyright skirting in general.
warm anchor
Any PSP enjoyer? 
ashen cliff
PSP is epic. 🛌
ashen cliff
Vita + Moonlight.
golden gust
too much of a broke ass hoe for a PSP
I did kinda want a PSP, but, the games didn't look too interesting to me outside of a few games
sharp ore
Hey! Can y'all recommend a good AFK kicker (ideally something that can detect anti-AFK patterns) 🙂
violet leaf
PSP is epic. 🛌
For real! i still have mine perfect condition as well
only problem is that wifi isn't usable anymore.. i can still use internet if i connect it to my hotspot and just change the connection type to the old version psp likes
ashen cliff
I just have an old 2.4Ghz network around with the lowest possible settings to not disturb other networks.
violet leaf
Ohh nice. Yeah i figured using a hotspot from my old samsung phone works, and it did to my suprise
worn ember
the disk holders were the most interesting thing about a PSP lol
golden gust
also somewhat meh for us council estaters
Like, I wanted one of those magical cards for the DS for homebrew stuff
never got into that outside of using it as an mp3 player \o/
but, I mean, it made the cost of the DS and the magical card more justified because games wouldn't be a semi constant expense
ashen cliff
Makes OpenWRT build unbrickable.
Bricks it anyway...
plucky sparrow
You mean an R4 card?
ashen cliff
It's not my fault.
plucky sparrow
Yea you can even use those to homebrew a 3DS
golden gust
I have sight issues, so, the 3DS sounded cool but not something worth it to me
floral mesa
r4 card? those are still being used?
golden gust
Well, that was before I first got glasses as I've been on and off them as my eye sight just has ups and downs
golden gust
so, it got better post glasses but that was far past the DS being relevant
plucky sparrow
Well, there’s always the 2DS option
If it’s 3D that caused issues
Regardless, I had 3D off most of the time since it was kinda awful
floral mesa
sadly a lot of DS models have been going up in price
funny enough given how much of the fucking things there are out in the wild
plucky sparrow
I’ve used my R4 card like last year, so yes, they’re still used
They’re very handy, although not much if you can homebrew your DSi
golden gust
for me at least some of the emulation handhelds or just something like the gpd win 3
floral mesa
now thats a blast from the past, damn someone is rocking a DSi
golden gust
but, then it's like, small screen, so, outside of portable needs, just better to get a TV and then I might as well just emulate on x86 or something
floral mesa
Ive had all three major models
golden gust
I mean, I think that by the time the DSi came out the DS was kinda dead in the water anyways
Like, there was a few games which took advantage of the new hardware
floral mesa
I found my 3ds after years in storage, and opted to jailbreak it, which was an easy process.
golden gust
but, tbqh, most games which looked interesting where basically just glorifed re-releases to take advantage of the better options
plucky sparrow
You can actually homebrew the firmware and keep it permanently
The issue with homebrewing 3DS was updates
floral mesa
thats been largely solved
plucky sparrow
You’d be lucky to have a 3DS with a version that could run homebrew
I mean I doubt they update them anymore
floral mesa
they do actually
but the firmware mods are so low level now
still would need to run through upgrading all the files, but the low level stuff persists for the most part from what ive seen
plucky sparrow
Id personally enjoy one of the newer 2DS XL models
Imo it’s like the best of them all
golden gust
thing is though is that some of their 2DS models look a bit scary big
plucky sparrow
The regular new 2DS is fine
golden gust
That's the fun of nintendo though
plucky sparrow
The new 2DS XL might be too big
golden gust
for all their weak underpowered hardware
idk a general main line that they've done which failed
at least, not within my living memory
plucky sparrow
The issue with the XL models is that you get a bigger screen with the same crappy screen resolution
golden gust
big thing for nintendo and home consoles is that they try to go too far
Like, the wii, instant classic
floral mesa
yeah, nintendo has always been providing an affordable console and great software. compared to sony/xbox where graphics are everything
golden gust
the wii U, it was basically a wii with a portable remote screen thing which really wasn't actually portable
plucky sparrow
I still want a Wii U
wide chasm
Some of the gimmicks turn out well, some don't
floral mesa
then again, if I want graphics, Ill go with a PC
plucky sparrow
But the issue with it was how they advertised it. It was a great concept tbf
golden gust
It looked interesting, but it was far too of a big flip towards the end of a consoles lifecycle which really didn't add all too much in the scope of things
wide chasm
The Wii U gamepad never looked justified, it's a clunky large screen that, in many games, isn't used that much
floral mesa
it just ended up as a mirror for the main display
plucky sparrow
It’s not used that much because games had to support the Pro controller
wide chasm
Imo they should have dropped the gamepad and just released it with the pro controller
golden gust
Like, it's the type of thing which would be good for like, a real console
reminds me of the gamepak things
where you'd have little crap running on a small screen which would show info like health, etc
plucky sparrow
Imo they should have dropped the gamepad and just released it with the pro contr...
This wouldn’t make it any different than the shit other brands offered, such as PlayStation and Xbox
golden gust
imagine that but with factorio or something, but, then that's far too much of a mouse game to work there
plucky sparrow
So at that point, you’d be better off getting an Xbox or a PlayStation
wide chasm
It'd be a beefier Wii
plucky sparrow
Eh
golden gust
Like, I just don't see a stupidly great area in which it could fit which couldn't be done by a much smaller screen on a standard game pad
wide chasm
Could also throw in a standard Wii controller, but the gamepad makes little sense
golden gust
imagine if the PS controllers replaced their touch pad with a touchscreen style setup instead
plucky sparrow
I don’t want to imagine that
golden gust
but, then, do you really look at the pad enough to justify the cost and requirements for that?
plucky sparrow
What would even be the purpose
worn ember
nintendo bankrupt wen
golden gust
I mean, we got good at UI design so that we could have stuff like the health on the screen in a pretty, readable manner
wide chasm
Like, they want it for asymmetric multiplayer, but asymmetric multiplayer is a very specific type of game - basing an entire console design on just that is not a great idea
plucky sparrow
What makes you think I would care to look at my controller instead of my TV which is the most important
golden gust
Well, that's why I couldn't see it being useful, cos it's not like the info on the UI these days is obscure or takes up stupid amounts of space that moving it to a little screen would make much sense
I mean, it kinda takes me back to the DS days, where you'd get games like resident evil in which 99% of stuff was on the top screen and the bottom screen was mostly just there for health info, inventory, etc
plucky sparrow
Wii U was primarily meant so you could just… play on your bedroom instead of having to play on the living room for example
golden gust
but, it's not like you'd get a screen big enough for a controller for that to be useful, and, you've not got your controller in as much of a glance as the DS
wide chasm
Very few games on the Wii U could be played entirely on the gamepad.
plucky sparrow
Idea was decent, the game pad not so much. The game pad was just thick and way too big to be comfy
golden gust
Well, that was their primary advertisement tactic after the concept of just having a touch screen for interaction in games kinda flopped
plucky sparrow
All games can be played alone on the game pad if I’m not wrong
golden gust
not nicely iirc
plucky sparrow
Well that’s another thing
wide chasm
They have to support it
golden gust
at least not games which actually used the touch screen for a proper mechanism
plucky sparrow
The screen on the game pad just becomes your tv. Don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible
golden gust
only games which really worked game pad only where games in which the touch screen was a wasted mechanism anyways
plucky sparrow
Doesn’t the Wii U just stream the content over to the game pad?
golden gust
no
Not exactly
it's literally a seperate interface mechanism
i.e. a second display
some games would use it entirely as a seperate display for interaction
some games would just let you use it to mirror
wide chasm
It's not like the Switch where it jumps from TV to console natively, you have to specifically say what goes where
plucky sparrow
Well in the case of mirroring
Oh, well I thought you could just play with just the game pad (as long as you were in the Wii U range)
It sounds pointless if you can’t play with just the game pad tbh
wide chasm
Some, yes, not all
golden gust
no, was just an advertisement strategy after the thing flopped for real inputs
golden gust
Like,it was never touted as like a real "big thing" as games needed to explictly support it
wide chasm
Like, if a game uses both TV and game pad simultaneously and you want to play on just game pad, what happens to one of the displays?
plucky sparrow
Games should have support for playing with just the TV
plucky sparrow
I don’t see why they wouldn’t
I’m sure you can play most of the popular games this console had with just a controller and the tv
golden gust
It is kinda weird though
wide chasm
Well, if you want to use both screens simultaneously. Like, asymmetric multiplayer games.
golden gust
I remember when the wii was like the "get everibody moving" console
and now it's all laze on the sofa stuff 😄
plucky sparrow
The Wii sucks
wide chasm
Hey, the 3DS gave you gold coins for every hundred steps you walked ;)
golden gust
it was okay as a family console and the "we're too cheap to keep on with the latest PS/XBOX/whatever"
plucky sparrow
I’m still mad that I can’t play Animal Crossing: City Folk without a fucking Wii controller
golden gust
and, yea, the input style was, mixed
plucky sparrow
Who had the smart idea of making an animal crossing game with such a controller
golden gust
like, for FPS games it kinda made much sense given that you can aim and such
but, created many caveats there
wide chasm
Are there Wii-specific (not VC or GC) games that can be played with a different controller?
plucky sparrow
I have a few guns that took advantage of the Wii controller yea
And the Wii steering wheel
I think I played some ghost busters game with those guns
wide chasm
Yeah, accessories ig
plucky sparrow
I think the Wii was limited to just the Wii controller
Not sure if there’s any Pro controller for the Wii
wide chasm
Only for VC iirc
plucky sparrow
If there is, barely if not zero games support it
golden gust
I think that there was some OG games which would support the gamecube controller?
plucky sparrow
Wii controller idea was cool but not so cool when I don’t want to move my arm around just to do regular tasks
golden gust
oh, they're all late games though?
plucky sparrow
Yeah you can plug in GC controllers but only for GC games
wide chasm
Wow, that list is actually quite long
Only OG model has GC ports
Wii Mini doesn't have it for example
plucky sparrow
Wii Mini is shit
golden gust
oh, most of the closer to older things is the classic pad
rare tiger
could anyone remind me on the community consensus on VPSes for Minecraft servers again?
wide chasm
Classic pad or classic pro controller was required for VC I believe
rare tiger
unless you don't mind a perf hit in favour of control
i specifically want to use it for other things too lol
plucky sparrow
Don’t ping cat
rare tiger
accidentally pinged spare me
plucky sparrow
But yea that’s what kinda ruined the Wii for me
Cool games that would’ve been way more enjoyable if you could just play it on a regular controller
golden gust
for me it turned from a family console into the cheapo "I can't afford a real console" machine
wide chasm
It's not a handheld, so I would never be able to get invested in it.
golden gust
don't get me wrong, it did good, but, the game inspiration kinda dropped off from it being this modern and fancy game machine towards something which was just a old budget console for games like "graphically inferior" COD releases
plucky sparrow
Wii was only fun for me when playing with my family
Because of Wii sports only though
That’s as far as it went
golden gust
wii sport will and always be a classic
there was a few games in the same kinda vane but post that is where it started dropping from being the moving controller
wide chasm
My Wii Sports disc has scratches, so it can't play tennis any more :(
golden gust
our bedroom at that age was like, just enough room to have 2 beds and a set of drawers at the end of the room with about enough space to stand
plucky sparrow
I remember the mini game that was about dropping some stone on a lake and having it just jump through the lake. Probably just butchered whatever this sport is called but I LOVED it
golden gust
if we wanted to play the wii properly it basically involved standing the bed up on its side to make some room
wide chasm
Stone skipping?
golden gust
but, then we got a bunk bed and that disappeared
plucky sparrow
Yes!
golden gust
and so, post that, it was the sit down console
wide chasm
You should check out professional stone skippers, those stones fo far
plucky sparrow
Not sure which game had it but there was also one minigame about stacking ice cream on top of a cone
Loved that one
wide chasm
Wii Party?
wide chasm
I played wii sports resort quite a bit, because it has sword play, that was cool
Finally, violence in my wii sports! :)
plucky sparrow
I also really liked the bowling minigame in Wii Sports
wide chasm
Bowling is nice
plucky sparrow
That was a must tbh
wide chasm
I didn't like boxing, the others were nice
plucky sparrow
I don’t think I ever tried out boxing
I did play tennis although I was awful at it
unkempt drift
Wii Tanks from Wii Play is superior to all
wide chasm
In tennis you can remove yourself from all positions on the field and then the game will just put AI against AI
I found looking at them very enjoyable
I never played tanks on wii play
Well, "never", I played it two times, hated the controls and never played again
unkempt drift
you missed out. that single game was easily worth the price of the whole set of games. WAY more difficult, and so much more than any of the other games on that game
wide chasm
I was the only person to like find the odd mii or whatever it's called
hearty spear
My Wii has a bunch of family members plugged in as miis
wide chasm
I did play a similar tanks minigame in 51 worldwide games on switch, though, it's kinda fun, but not my favorite
hearty spear
In a lot of games you would see your created mii in the background
wide chasm
Literally everyone that went in our house got a mii
plucky sparrow
Id just make Miis for fun
wide chasm
"Thanks for the sugar neighbour, let's create a mii for you"
plucky sparrow
Don’t think I ever played that
wide chasm
Wii Fit was fun, but I've never lost a single gram of body fat with it
I was still growing back then, but I think the balance board was very sad to see that I only got heavier :)
wide chasm
That's the best one
hearty spear
The dogfight
And the one where you can find the balloons
And the hardest one was in a cave
That you had to do a loop in
wide chasm
My proudest achievement is having found all eighty info points in island flyover without help
hearty spear
Volcano was also hard to fly jn
wide chasm
You didn't like Mario galaxy?
plucky sparrow
I just skipped over anything the characters said
Still do it nowadays
I can’t let my precious time go to waste in some character explaining the main part of the lore
hearty spear
Imagine when the Wii is called a retro console
plucky sparrow
So I would just have no idea what I was supposed to do
wide chasm
Ah, you're that kind of player
hearty spear
Na
wide chasm
Not reading anything and then being confused :)
plucky sparrow
It’s gotten better now
I can care about reading but not so much
I’ll just end up watching a tutorial on YouTube
hearty spear
I know I must be getting old when I see people wondering what a Wii is
wide chasm
I agree that galaxy's intro is a tad long
wide chasm
You can try it on Switch via 3D all stars
That is, if you can find a copy, cause it was a timed exclusive
Or, cough emulation
warm anchor
new forums so cute
Try using it! 
wide chasm
The story in galaxy after the intro is optional
Well, there's more story after you beat the game, but that's afterwards
plucky sparrow
Not sure if I’d be able to finish it either
Last game I properly finished was probably GTA V
wide chasm
You must really hate stories
plucky sparrow
I just get bored way too quickly
Happened to me with Pokémon and most other Mario games
wide chasm
I was happy there was finally a Mario game with some story
Okay, but, checks surroundings the mainline pokemon games are bad
plucky sparrow
I mean I played the Pokémon game from the DS
Not sure which one
Pokémon black 2 I think?
wide chasm
I tried Pearl, I really tried very hard to like it, but, it's just so boring
plucky sparrow
Yeah I just can’t finish any game
I want to get the Witcher 3
But I’ll once again, never finish it
wide chasm
Witcher 3 looks kinda interesting, but not really a priority for me now
plucky sparrow
Yeah I mean I only want to play it because I’ve watched the series
wide chasm
Witcher 3 sounds like a game which will take me forever to 100% complete though
Probably at least a year or so
plucky sparrow
I doubt I can finish it then
I’ll probably try to finish RDR2 by this month
But I lose motivation rather quickly
wide chasm
I used to have that more, but now I don't mind spending 400 hours on a game before going to the next one
plucky sparrow
I don’t think I can spend so many hours on just the story of a game
Id give up
I’m more of simple games, tutorial and straight into fight or similar
Such as bomberman (top tier game btw)
wide chasm
Well, 400 hours is mostly gameplay. Like, the longest I've spent on story in a game was around 50 hours or so
But I agree that simple games can be very nice
Don't always need some kind of grand plot
plucky sparrow
I think it’s just more fun since you’re “free” to do whatever you want, whereas in story games you have to do whatever the story tells you to do
charred sleet
warm anchor
wide chasm
Imagine having a profile picture, couldn't be me
warm anchor
Imagine having a profile picture, couldn't be me
If I make an anime one for you will you use?
worn ember
If I make an anime one for you will you use? <a:rierunrunrun:875212558720725022>
it'd be weird to see stef with a pfp
warm anchor
golden gust
I refuse to believe that such a world exists
golden gust
one day
warm anchor
we gonna need a male version of paper chan
little frost
paper kun
worn ember
Moooom! Eternity is weebifying the whole paper discord again
ashen cliff
Ded knows too much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgZp-9VJeco
I'm not sorry.
warm anchor
spare venture
witcher 3 is really hard to complete because it's too long
warm anchor
Rare nowadays consider most AAA game has like 10-20 hour of gameplay only
wide chasm
My wallet is very happy I 100% complete games
worn ember
stefs potato pc would catch fire
ashen cliff
Fact.
warm anchor
Modpack is hard to balance though
Me and my friends played MC eternal and everyone is just fucking meta gamer
ashen cliff
Just use GregKek.
wide chasm
Getting all the advancements in Minecraft is not too bad
I've never really been too much into modding games
worn ember
modded achievements tho
warm anchor
Scariest mods in Minecraft @worn ember
ashen cliff
I yell in outdated XP drivers:
marble lark
I’ll probably try to finish RDR2 by this month
try Dying Light and its sequel while you're at it
actually i don't think Dying Light 2 is out yet but the first game isn't bad gameplay wise
story is kinda weak though
worn ember
Scariest mods in Minecraft <@208641151509463051>
haha i remember that mod, whats it from again
warm anchor
Fucker would eat your chest and shit
worn ember
yuck
worn ember
won all my games with it today 
did 52k dmg last game
ultra kill
almost rampage but got snatched
rose magnet
anyone knows a plugin that sets a time limit to a player inside a region?
tawdry belfry
Is dedicatedmc or bloomhost better than shockbyte? We use their Zeus services but only pay around 20$ with a lifetime discount. There’s less ram for the first two than shockbyte but I see people recommend the first two a lot.
viscid wedge
those are the two people recommend the most here
twin lagoon
Is dedicatedmc or bloomhost better than shockbyte? We use their Zeus services bu...
definitely
shockbyte belongs in the shit-tier list
only reason people use them is the pricing but you get what you pay for
tawdry belfry
Damn didn’t really know. Which one is better dedmc or bloom?
viscid wedge
comparable
twin lagoon
pick whichever is available
bloom tends to have stock issues due to high demand (they have their own hardware so it takes time to restock)
tawdry belfry
Okay - would 10-15 players be good on their vps 8g ram server? We have minor plugins
twin lagoon
any reason you'd go for their vps?
grand pewter
probably the only one in stock lol
twin lagoon
bloom has stock in every US location again
grand pewter
they typically have more vps slots open than minecraft
oh
well then yeah cause idk why youd do that minecraft is cheaper
twin lagoon
surprisingly it's the other way around @grand pewter this time
vps only has dallas available
warm anchor
Their vps isnt just for MC so maybe that's why
tawdry belfry
Ong I’m dumb I thought they were all mc
warm anchor
They offer VPS as in actual VPS not just dedicated core for MC server
grand pewter
the cheaper ones are minecraft
warm anchor
yeah
tawdry belfry
So would 8 g work or should I got higher?
twin lagoon
8gb is more than fine
twin lagoon
more =/= better
grand pewter
for 10-15 players youll be good
unkempt drift
How has there not been a tier list done for hosts
unkempt drift
Someone whip one up
twin lagoon
How has there not been a tier list done for hosts
s tier:
bloomhost
dedicatedmc
c tier:
everything else
warm anchor
tawdry belfry
And am I able to use my backup and plop it into dedmc and be setup?
warm anchor
yes
twin lagoon
yes
warm anchor
if you still have access to your shockbyte ftp
they may even be able to do it for you
you will just use the overlap to transfer your server file from shockbyte directly to them
tawdry belfry
I do have acces
I have the backup too
This is exciting I’ve used shockbyte for two years
But the 1.18 update has been challenging with our smaller group all playing x.x
warm anchor
anything from shockbyte would be an upgrade 
tawdry belfry
You guys are the best community 💜🥰
marble lark
@naomi is >> | größer supposed to be a more than comparison or a right bitshift??
wait
god f*cking dammit i forgot she got banned
twin lagoon
rolled
ashen cliff
Again?
twin lagoon
@umbral tiger fr where is my dedicatedmc shilling equity
tawdry belfry
Oh one other thing is there render distance limits for bloomhost?
grand pewter
you pay for a specific amount of cpu/ram/disk and you can use that as much as you like
twin lagoon
Oh one other thing is there render distance limits for bloomhost?
no good host will limit any settings
warm anchor
there is no limit. The limit is on CPU resources
twin lagoon
if your host is limiting stuff like render distance or playerslots, you gotta move
serene bolt
shockbyte limits many things
viscid wedge
lol
grand pewter
theyre the only one that limits stuff pretty much
viscid wedge
OVH is the only way to go, will never look back
warm anchor
so cant go too hard on them.
serene bolt
shockbyte limits worldborder and chunky to 10k max radius :) (which is better than before, where they removed the plugin on startup)
twin lagoon
i can kinda live with a limit like that
tawdry belfry
My players gonna cry
grand pewter
yeah i mean 10k is actually not totally unreasonable, but also the fact that it's limited shows that there is not very good separation of computing resources between customers
serene bolt
"unlimited storage" 
ashen cliff
Directly to AWS.
twin lagoon
KRUSIC! BRO!
twin lagoon
Why are you still awake
ashen cliff
OpenWRT.
twin lagoon
Understandable, try BalkonSense
marble lark
I joined aterno Dsicord oh god its like Minecraft official but without rules
ain't aternos actually pretty good for a free host though
twas what i heard
ashen cliff
Anyway. Actually did stuff correctly this time.
Every firmware flash is a factory reset and it recovers to it's own settings.
Even getting the hostname from DHCP.
Very based.
lament patio
wait HOLD UP shockbyte limits render distance? <@!219339519147638785>
Tf
That's like paying for Aternos
spare venture
theres a reason why aternos is the most popular, its probably pretty decent for a free host
ashen cliff
Why?
golden gust
to be fair, BSDs networking is supposed to be much better than linux's
ashen cliff
Not anymore.
ivory kite
golden gust
watching YT
"if you're in the UK in 2022, I'll be..."
Wait, that's like a year awa... oh...
no
strong counterpoint
ashen cliff
Linux has better drivers + some automagic fixes for offloading.
No idea why, but BSD refuses to add automagic offloading detection.
Like, bro? Why?
golden gust
BSD where weirdly opinionated on some stuff
I know that there was some NICs a while back in which the offloading stuff was fuuuucked
ashen cliff
Yeah. It really makes me hate working with it.
Like damn, I hate PfSense with a passion.
golden gust
I still use pfsense
ashen cliff
I also use it.
golden gust
There was another one I used a while back but it was too... "fancy"
Like, some weird clear something router?
ClearOS
ashen cliff
Might as well switch to OPNsense... but then some other of my stuff gets nuked.
golden gust
was some OVH machine and pfsense was refusing to work with OVHs network BS at some point
There was like a ddwrt for x86 years ago
ashen cliff
TNSR refuses to add a GUI.
golden gust
but, I think that died off
ashen cliff
OpenWRT is... horrible at documentation.
golden gust
To be fair, for the most part, I just wanna set and forget
ashen cliff
Like all router projects are horrible at documentation and just hate their users for not just knowing everything.
ashen cliff
Fact.
I still made everything I wanted to work. Despite it being done incorrectly.
Even melted a SFP+ card.
golden gust
how in the...
krusic, you remind me of this tv show I watched like, an episode or two of, tops
classical BBC, iirc
"Some mothers do 've 'em"
one of the eps I saw was that the guy flushed a toilet, didn't work, and so he tried to fix it and basically just caused oh so much more damage in the process
ashen cliff
Some HP QLogic card. Had all offloading enabled, almost no airflow and some high draw very old SFP 10km modules...
The heatsink glue melted, fell on the raid card, corrupted the raid.
Yet the card still worked.
I'm once again tempted to migrate our LanParty router from PfSense to OPNSense.
I really don't want to recompile that cursed cache card driver tho.
Also need to publish all of our shenanigans on the blog as well.
And our HoS is looking good as always: https://posili.me/i/2019-11-27_20-30-29.png
tawdry belfry
does the bloomhost serer import include the backup zip file or can I remove that to save space and let it ftp everything?
serene bolt
it will recursively import anything from the base directory you specify on the importer tool
tawdry belfry
❤️ ty!
viscid wedge
what's the best way to implement a web service health check for docker on github actions?
mint jetty
Minecraft launcher takes so long to open since account migration
viscid wedge
PolyMC
jagged widget
use MultiMC actually
multimc is so good. i dont need the curseforge launcher anymore, i just copy the zip download link and paste it into multimc
not to mention separate mod & saves folders
merry talon
OpenWRT is... horrible at documentation.
there's an openwrt fork called iopsyswrt that theoretically supports my router chipset
afaik it's commercial software that just happens to be open source
if you think the openwrt docs are bad.. you don't wanna know what I went through trying to make that work
still haven't been able to lol
warm anchor
YES 
umbral tiger
<@!158577328874586112> fr where is my dedicatedmc shilling equity
oi
you already have a promo code
sturdy vortex
yo does anyone know a plugin that converts vannila items to custom items like how hypixel convert the items you harvest into their coded form
vernal moth
Man I love npm
Some dev went full conspiracy apparently and sabotaged a popular lib
vernal moth
I didn't went down further but apperantly they spewed bullshit on reddit about aaron swartz and shit like that
I don't even know what conspiracy there is around aaron, lol
I just know he was murdered by the copyright mafia
quasi valley
average npm moment
void void
I love how the first attempt contained invalid syntax so he had to push out a bugfix
quasi valley
I love how he and other people are complaining about the GH ban as if he didn't just put malicious code into a widely used project as a "political statement"
foggy veldt
My one complaint about multimc is I can’t (at least to my knowledge) open multiple instances of the same instance
So I have like 3 duplicate 1.18 instances for testing
vernal moth
vanilla can do that
warm anchor
Vanilla also takes 10 seconds to switch my account so zzz
Sometime ome would glitch out and you have to manually delete it and re add for it to work 
got annoyed
rare python
multimc is closer to what I want from a launcher, but not close enough...
maybe I should just make my own lol
foggy veldt
I liked vanilla client until they forced their windows store update down everyone’s throat
warm anchor
I liked vanilla client until they forced their windows store update down everyon...
Hey HEY HEYYYY DO YOY WANT TO DOENLOAD THE NEW AND KMPROVED LAUNCHER
I literally just bought Minecraft dungeon again on steam and transfer my save over and uninstall vanilla launcher
That was the only thing keeping me from uninstalling
foggy veldt
The funny part is I caved in and downloaded the windows store launcher and it didn’t even work #general message
warm anchor