general

[twin lagoon]

reposilite epic

[mossy vessel]

baseURl/configureSecurity

[fallen oracle]

Bax if you use the docker version of Nexus, I wrote a patched image that masks the IP.

[mossy vessel]

Did you not read the manual?

[worn ember]

reading is exhausting

[mossy vessel]

Project based matrix authentication with no overall access is what I do if I'm lazy

[true canyon]

I think my nexus instance is older than docker, Glare 😄

Either way, I'm not running docker. Happier to just scream test and be pretty sure it's fine to take down foreversies.

[fallen oracle]

Gotcha. I also maintain patched jars for the non-docker version since I'm not using the docker version yet myself

[true canyon]

So instead...

[fallen oracle]

So if you need some for a specific version, just lmk.

[worn ember]

i had it set to this

bruh with just read perms they can already see users not that i really care but thats kinda pepega

[mossy vessel]

Agent WhyIsEverythingAFSecurityRisk

[worn ember]

i couldnt even get that node to work

so ijust stayed with the root node

[mossy vessel]

Works fine for... 1 plugin lol

[worn ember]

jenkins keeps reeing about it lol

[mossy vessel]

Remove it?

[worn ember]

yeah i did now lol

weird how my builds are smaller on jenkins than when i build them locally

well their MB is not the same as window's MB apparently

[tired heath]

Is there actually a good reason to open ipv6 along ipv4 for a Minecraft server/proxy

[kind island]

@tired heath dont think so

is 1.18.1 stable? the warning is gone from the website and no new info under announcements

[tired heath]

I use it now more than a week to pregen worlds and setup stuff, so far had no issues, only the world has a lot of glitched structures but I guess that is a general 1.18 thing

[serene bolt]

I'm unaware of any glitched structure issue, and haven't experienced that myself in the multiple worlds I've created and pregenned so far

[tired heath]

Maybe just a funny seed

But my friend confirmed same stuff in vanilla

so no paper stuff

[golden gust]

structures and generation has always been fun

it's practically just plopped in, 95% of the time their considerations to how stuff is formed lines up

the other times you get a village house in a tree

[void void]

Efficient use of space!

[ashen cliff]

Vertical stacking.

[void void]

we're gonna get flats in villages soon!

[viscid wedge]

Was exposed to covid and my employer is saying I need to come in anyways if I'm asymptomatic

Seems irresponsible to me but alright

[short yarrow]

what are some common mistakes you guys notice that cause bugs or issues? i just realized i didn't validate an input. it didn't cause any issues (yet), but it's frustrating that i missed it

[golden gust]

input validation, forgetting that the person interfacing with stuff is an idiot (e.g. bad configuration and 0 validation of it), forgetting to check stuff, state in/validation, etc

[thorny perch]

perpendicular neighborhood

[little frost]

@void void best emily

[void void]

uwu

[peak ginkgo]

@shadow mauve Is that 1.18 and Optifine?

[shadow mauve]

Yes it is

Both

@peak ginkgo

[peak ginkgo]

Do you see the renderer freaking out in vanilla?

[shadow mauve]

No havnt even tried

[peak ginkgo]

I'm 90% sure you could switch to Fabric and use Sodium/Iris and be fine

[shadow mauve]

I will try that and report back

[wintry dune]

wtf

are you in the uk\

[peak ginkgo]

Modern modding is a way better alternative than OptiFine, I might have a link here

https://lambdaurora.dev/optifine_alternatives

[rare tiger]

I have a pack with some forbidden fabric mods on this list that haven't been officially released for 1.18.1 yet

It uh

works

I either had to build them myself or find a fork from another impatient soul

[peak ginkgo]

Yeah no same lmao my mods folder is cursed

I used to back it up but my raspberry pi needs a reinstall and I've been busy on a commission

[viscid wedge]

Canada

[wintry dune]

oh thats weird

here if youre exposed you take a test and if youre negative youre clear

[lean kiln]

I have that flickering issue in 1.18 with iris and sodium

iirc vanilla too but I haven't checked in a bit

[coarse lily]

I've only ever seen it as a Sodium bug personally

[lean kiln]

well the person who brought it up said it happened with optifine

idk though

[coarse lily]

Ah interesting.

I haven't seen it with vanilla at all.

[lone ember]

anyone else experiencing a problem with realms where some progress is lost across the entire server?

[lone ember]

ok nvm it's probably just a datapack being dumb

[magic river]

Wow this vacuum is way too smart

It just used LIDAR to map out my whole house in like 10 minutes, mostly figured out what to avoid before it bumped in to it, and then took the most direct path back to its charging station without hitting anything or getting lost on the way

I can see, on the map it made, chair legs and such

It didn't figure out my desk since the feet are too low for the LIDAR but it figured out the legs and my slippers sitting next to it

[static badge]

wait till it finds one of these bad boys 🐀

[magic river]

That's what the 🐱 is for

[true canyon]

What vacuum is it?

[magic river]

iLife A10

You can even see my feet in the map where I was blocking it from running in to the outlet on the floor under my desk (which I marked as a no-go zone after mapping was done)

[merry talon]

those sound great until I remember my living area is in a constant state of chaos

also I love that your vacuum has lidar but teslas won't

[serene bolt]

I use like a $100 roomba and it just bumps into everything, and if there's any cable on the ground, it usually grinds the heck out of it or tugs it and whatever it attached to it with it :P

the more expensive vacuums definitely seem worth it

[merry talon]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-cat-on-my-way-ride-the-pet-collective-gif-14273605

you need one of these now too @magic river

[magic river]

I think it redoes the mapping every cleaning run too

It just has a mode to only generate a map and not do any cleaning so you can map things out ahead of time

It doesn't have to try to wedge itself into every nook and cranny when it's in mapping mode, only areas where the LIDAR doesn't make it clear if there is a wall or not

It basically just went around peeking around corners and bouncing off the few things where the LIDAR could see but it couldn't fit

I had a $100 roomba, it literally just does a random walk around the place

It'll go over the same area many times and not go to some places

Then I got a better one that would generate a map as it ran but it didn't have LIDAR so it bounced off everything to create the map and forgot it after a run

It would get stuck on cords or jammed in to places all the time

[merry talon]

lol yeah if you're gonna make a purchase that is basically the embodiment of affluence and laziness probably don't cheap out on it

and I don't mean that in a bad way at all, they're neat

[magic river]

Oh I'm super lazy, that's why I got it 😛

But I also have three animals here so I would need to go sweep twice a day to keep the hair under control

Forget that, let the robot do it 😛

[merry talon]

just a normal day

[warm anchor]

still my favorite cat video

it totally doesnt give a shit

[serene bolt]

I'm not surprised that your favorite cat video is of a cat being cooked

[warm anchor]

[merry talon]

[little frost]

nelson will fight a candle relentlessly

[void void]

im scared of vtubers

mom come pick me up

[warm anchor]

https://youtu.be/DJiUP9TsjCY

[merry talon]

thanks reddit mods, very cool

miko

How it feels to chew 5 gum

[mighty storm]

oh

[coarse lily]

Different chew.

[peak ginkgo]

They want you to say arrow

👍

[sick yarrow]

is papermc free?

i wanna host a smp

[merry talon]

no but I can provide it for you at a special discount if you paypal it over to me

(jk, https://papermc.io/downloads)

[sick yarrow]

bruh

[coarse lily]

Yep totally free. Don't pay for a crappy fork that is most likely just Paper anyway.

[sick yarrow]

yup but its not opening

[coarse lily]

If you need help go to #paper-help

[sick yarrow]

i downloaded it

[coarse lily]

And explain your issue / be descriptive.

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/anti-vtuber-no-vtubers-vtubers-bad-windrat-gif-23638876

out of my swamp

[solid siren]

hi was planning to build invisible parkour

is there a way to remove this

[coarse lily]

IIRC the barrier block outlines are only in certain gamemodes, not survival.

But you can use a modified client and see them.

So there's no way to 100% hide them from everyone.

[solid siren]

im in survival

i see

thank youu

[coarse lily]

I think if you're an op you see them also

[peak ginkgo]

Goto adventure I think

Because it only shows it on blocks you can break?

[serene bolt]

yeah adventure will hide the outlines

the thing with barriers and creative mode / op is the barrier particle effect which is different than the bounding box outline

although you might only need to hold the barrier item to see the particles, can't remember

[unkempt drift]

You still see barrier block outlines in survival? Huh

[south matrix]

sure do

you can technically change light block levels in survival too

the vanilla client just doesn't outline them

aint that somethin

[vernal moth]

outlines are there cause you can interact technically

in adventure you can't interact unless explicitly defined

thats why you see no outlines

[south matrix]

if you had a mod to be able to interact with light blocks the server would let you change their light level by default

[serene bolt]

which is awful design lol

the client can be trusted 🙂

pretty sure paper patches that right?

I remember there being a machine maker patch about that

[south matrix]

not that i've seen

but i'm dumb

[serene bolt]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0794-prevent-unintended-light-block-manipulation.patch

[unkempt drift]

Not on paper you can’t 😛

Oh yeah, pure just linked it

[worn ember]

Who's this machine maker guy why is he patching all my exploits smh

[full fjord]

Question?
How many servers should I be able to run on a Ryzen 7 5800X with 128gb ram, because right now I have 2st 32gb server one for each gamemode

[warm anchor]

Wut

You have a dedicated r7 5800x

Or shared host

[full fjord]

Yeah, dedicated

[south matrix]

and you're asking how much ram to dedicate to a server

the world is a cruel place

[full fjord]

nah

[south matrix]

realistically 8G is good for a server unless it has many people

[warm anchor]

Yes. I found it surprising someone who had a dedicated would still be asking that question lol

[south matrix]

12G if you have 100+ players

[warm anchor]

Coz there is no answer to it

[full fjord]

Not my question 🙂

1 dedicated server with 2 vps on it, each running 2 servers

or 2 vps each running 2 servers (for halv the price ofc)

[warm anchor]

That’s cursed but ok

If you already own the dedi why would you create more overhead

If you want the most out of it

[full fjord]

For an separate instance for the two diffrent servers

[chrome kite]

e

[barren gazelle]

@chrome rune

hello

[plucky sparrow]

so, you have a dedicated server and you chose to “split” it into vps?

[barren gazelle]

🤣

lollll

[rotund jewel]

who can help me ?

[nova hill]

WHAT

[red timber]

#announcements

[worn ember]

lol

[coarse lily]

Post in #paper-help

[worn ember]

sounds like you have a case of PowerBoard

go bother them about it lol, its their plugin thats causing it

[vernal moth]

mfw I got called twice now that my delivery will be here in 2 hours

[worn ember]

call them back to make sure

[charred sleet]

must be important

[void void]

Does anyone know a way to show my group manager rank on top of my head infront of my name?

like Hypixel does

[red timber]

nametagedit?

[void void]

it syncs with group manager?

[red timber]

you can make NTE display pretty much whatever you want

[void void]

Gonna try it

Ty

[twin lagoon]

groupmanager

what is this, 1984?

[red timber]

yes

[twin lagoon]

hello mikro

[red timber]

helo

i remember the days when i played with bungeecord and i really liked GM

i wanted global groups

[twin lagoon]

literally the only reason i used groupmanager was the essentials chat integration

and i'm pretty sure that's the only reason people used it aswell

[red timber]

so what i tried to do, was symlinking yml files

didn't go that well

moved to PEX

that worked fine, had to set up NetEvents plugin to sync pex globally and that was it

there was one paid plugin which made life easier and iirc claimed there is no other way

but just had to configure pex properly

luckily that's a past now - luckperms is the way to go

[void void]

wat am I supposed to use

[twin lagoon]

luckperms

[void void]

at 1.8

1.8 isn't supported

But how is hypixel doing it

while I am in version 1.8

[red timber]

idk ask them

[void void]

Omw

[red timber]

hypixel forums post inc

[plucky sparrow]

Well uh I doubt hypixel uses &8[&7MEMBER&8] for nons

They use simpler ranks

Such as &2[MOD]

[void void]

So I will remove the bolds?

[plucky sparrow]

[red timber]

gotta append &r to fix names

[void void]

Fixed

I just removed the bolds

[plucky sparrow]

[void void]

Lmao shut up I play on cracked cause it's easier to use multiple instances to test plugins such as trade

I don't have 200 alts

[plucky sparrow]

who asked tho

[void void]

I have a very good awnser to that

[plucky sparrow]

I don’t want to know it

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-bedwars-who-asked-no-one-asked-no-one-cares-gif-20077260

[plucky sparrow]

Keep it to yourself

[void void]

Lmao this is funny

[cobalt pecan]

Ew cracked

[void void]

Lmao sure

[cobalt pecan]

What?..

[void void]

Notch himself told if you have no money for the game crack it

[cobalt pecan]

where lol

[void void]

twitter

another one for the offline mode bingo @warm anchor

[cobalt pecan]

lmao

[cobalt pecan]

Link?

notch isn't involved in mc anymore lmao

[void void]

https://twitter.com/notch/status/157261795139125248?lang=el

Notch (@notch)

@AndresLeay Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad. ;)

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Twitter · Jan 12, 2012, 12:45 AM

[cobalt pecan]

.

[plucky sparrow]

Exactly lol

[void void]

You guys are so indenial lol

He made it

[cobalt pecan]

how

[void void]

His own rules

[cobalt pecan]

no it's Microsoft's rules

[void void]

Microsoft sucks

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah he might have made it but it’s owned by Microsoft

[void void]

Lame for him

[cobalt pecan]

ok and?

[void void]

to sell it

[plucky sparrow]

“Microsoft sucks” - someone using windows and playing on Minecraft

[chrome cosmos]

this is a legit use case

[void void]

Switching to Ubuntu

now

[cobalt pecan]

lol

[void void]

I don't want to be traced

anymore

[plucky sparrow]

It is sharvesh, the issue is that he’s saying piracy is good and allowed because notch said so

[frank otter]

I think it's on there as <an old tweet from notch>

[plucky sparrow]

[frank otter]

and if it was added we'd have to overwrite paper-chan in the middle

[cobalt pecan]

tweet from almost 10 years ago*

Give it like 7 days

[void void]

If you were broke too you would crack it stop the cap

[cobalt pecan]

no I wouldn't lol

[void void]

lol

[void void]

I am pretty pretty sure you would

and theres not denying to this

[frank otter]

if I was broke I'd not play the game and work on getting not broke

[void void]

it's a ten year old tweet and we don't support piracy here

end of discussion

[frank otter]

if I was broke I imagine there'd be bigger problems that not being able to minecraft

[cobalt pecan]

Hi noah

[void void]

What if you are 10 lol and can't get a job

[wraith trail]

Hey, keep in mind discussion of offline mode isn't allowed here

Really in any way

[cobalt pecan]

oh really?

[void void]

rule change was merged recently

[frank otter]

fun fact if you're 10 you can't use discord

[cobalt pecan]

gotcha, alright time to shut up

[void void]

Break the law

lol

Jk

[rare python]

Is it time to report a discord account for being underaged?

[void void]

I am 16 tho..

[plucky sparrow]

[rare python]

Oh... Good.

[void void]

Sorry I am not 40 years old with no life developing in Minecraft 🙀

Get Real

[frank otter]

half of me wants to ping mods

[plucky sparrow]

I really want to as well

[cobalt pecan]

half of me thinks they're watching too

maybe with popcorn

[frank otter]

🍿

[plucky sparrow]

half of me thinks they’re already debating what to do with him

[cobalt pecan]

na

not that complex

[void void]

The thing is, I didn't do anything, suddenly you just started being toxic and now you're turning it on me

[chrome cosmos]

stop the reply chains

[void void]

Lmaoooo This is tooo Ratio

I am done

[frank otter]

discussing offline mode
"you can't discuss offline mode"
at least I have a life
guys stop being toxic

[void void]

I never said I had a life

[chrome cosmos]

drunk

[frank otter]

...

[coarse lily]

Everyone drop it

[void void]

How does that offend you

[coarse lily]

@void void we don’t support offline mode servers here. Sorry.

[void void]

I am not in offline mode Tho

[coarse lily]

I didn’t say you were. But arguing the point here makes no sense.

[plucky sparrow]

Ocelot, he is using offline mode for a legit use, which is not bad, the issue is that he said piracy is “good” just because an old tweet from notch said so

[chrome cosmos]

he is in his lan world
and shows proof he has a legit mc account

for testing

[void void]

I didn't say it's good I said Notch is approving it, also I sent the link for that
https://twitter.com/notch/status/157261795139125248?lang=el

Notch (@notch)

@AndresLeay Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad. ;)

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[chrome cosmos]

stop the cap

[coarse lily]

Again: let’s drop it.

[void void]

@plucky sparrow Add me

[plucky sparrow]

why even

[void void]

Just do it

[plucky sparrow]

why should I do it

[void void]

To Chat

[plucky sparrow]

You can chat here

[void void]

I am not allowed

tho

?

[plucky sparrow]

Unfortunate for you

[coarse lily]

Seriously, both of you need to drop it.

You were both jerks.

[plucky sparrow]

I already dropped it long ago

He’s just insistent

[void void]

And I am stopping it here, I just want him to know that his is toxic asf

[coarse lily]

Continuing to tell someone they're toxic isn't dropping it.

[worn ember]

why doesnt your christmashat fall off?

[full fjord]

Anyone else get some wierd dates from getFirstPlayed? and also with getLastPlayed, like 6h wrong

[worn ember]

define weird

[full fjord]

Like I joined 2021/08/20 but output right now shows 2021/12/26

[coarse lily]

That's 6 days not 6 hours.

But no, I haven't seen that before.

[full fjord]

getLastPlayed is 6h wrong

[coarse lily]

Wait that's not days.

If it's 6 hours off check timezones.

[full fjord]

already did

[coarse lily]

If it's 4 months and 6 days off then I dunno.

[full fjord]

UTC+1 for me

getFirstPlayed is waaay of

getLastPlayed is just little off

[coarse lily]

They should return a UTC time.

[merry talon]

delete your player.dat and try again ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full fjord]

hmmm

[marble lark]

i feel called out lmao broke asf

MC was the only game i could legitimately afford

[warm anchor]

Wtf Sherman

Stop being poor!

[marble lark]

damn you're right

I should have willed myself to not being poor

[chrome cosmos]

that one weeb : dear poor people get rich

[waxen panther]

dear poor people get rich

[worn ember]

dear homeless people: buy a house lmao

[stiff wadi]

Just inspect element your PayPal balance

[limber knot]

damn I wish I could justify buying a laptop now that frame.work is available in europe ;_;

[grand mesa]

https://databin.svenar.nl/naqopuhi.md my server is lagging after getting this error

[twin lagoon]

that tells us nothing

[limber knot]

I suggest using the help channel as well as providing the full log

[distant ingot]

Hi

[worthy geode]

hi

[vague frost]

Do you guys look?

[distant ingot]

@quiet shore cool thx for boost

[vague frost]

Guys, when I couldn't download the world edit plugin, can you send a file compatible with paper mc?

[rare python]

Anything compatible with spigot will work on paper

Also #paper-help

[distant ingot]

Check your console

[vague frost]

okey

[tender cloud]

when you try to download a legacy version is it supposed to add 5 seconds each time you answer wrong? lol

[rare python]

Probably

If you don't like it, I propose a solution... don't download a legacy version.

[tender cloud]

I'm not doing it for myself, just testing my plugin on older versions but I love this is a feature

hey

[void void]

yes, that is intentional

IMO it should multiply the wait time by five when you get it wrong

[clear mulch]

i'm seeing the warning removed for papermc 1.18.1
does this mean we are at a good release now?

[autumn glen]

There is no more #experimental paper channel either

So yeah looks like it

[clear mulch]

ok

[void void]

check pins in paper-gelp

[rare python]

Should store it on a server so they can't just reload the page heh heh heh

[marble lark]

well you probably could just download the sources and compile it anyways if we're talking about legacy servers

[short yarrow]

what exactly is the purpose of a data transfer object?

[golden gust]

I mean, Ive never heard of that term before

but, a literal 2 second google just suggests that it's a plain object with no logic inside of it for doing stuff

?

[short yarrow]

it seems like it's just a pojo, but also have a converter to convert X -> SomeDTO or whatever. i'm not too sure what the use case is though

[frank otter]

regret to inform you it's broken on mobile

I think it should say try again in x seconds

[stiff wadi]

INVALID ANSWERS, TRY

[left swift]

people get those answers wrong?

[marble lark]

me neither xd

[warm anchor]

they do. I think the question is too hard @left swift for your average 1.8 user

[marble lark]

better name for that would just be a data class tbh

[marble lark]

this reminds me that I have a Paper 1.7 repo that can be successfully built somewhere on my PC lmao

[void void]

Invalid Answers. try

[daring owl]

Anyone have tips for reducing world size

[warm anchor]

set the border closer?

[daring owl]

I meant if there was some sort of tool t clear unmodified chunks

[warm anchor]

both Chunky and MCA Selector has it

[daring owl]

For a radius or unmodified chunks

[warm anchor]

by chunk inhabited time

aka how long the chunk has a player live inside

[daring owl]

Chunky can?

I'm not on a dedicated or vps so mcaselector isent an option

[golden gust]

I mean

They just said that chunky can

twice pretty much

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

[formal tusk]

https://imgur.com/sZ8eFic

anyone have any fix for this , works fine in singleplayer but not in latest paper 1.18

[warm anchor]

test against spigot jar then open an issue @formal tusk

[twin lagoon]

https://imgur.com/cIz5Cg3

[surreal ledge]

when will 1.18 come out

[twin lagoon]

it's been out for ages

[surreal ledge]

the good version

[twin lagoon]

it's been out for ages

[surreal ledge]

:/

is it stable

[twin lagoon]

as stable as any other version

[surreal ledge]

no one told me

;-;

[warm anchor]

sorry next time we will send you a mail personally

make sure your address is updated!

[surreal ledge]

no

i meant

like did it say in anncouncments

[golden gust]

It's the holidays

and many other internal projects

it's being worked upon

[surreal ledge]

so stable 🙂

[plucky sparrow]

I didn’t receive the mail???

What a bad service

[hexed dragon]

You receive mail. I use my eyes.

[warm anchor]

you mean you dont think about paper-help while eating your Christmas dinner with family??

[hexed dragon]

He doesn't care about paper-help during the holidays.

So there is a packet of mentos fruit near me and the only colour I have seen come out of it is just pink.

There is 5 left and the next I will have is pink.

[deep arch]

ok

[marble lark]

cat has a family?

ok to be fair neither do i

[left swift]

paper help losers

[raven cypress]

Why should i build my plugin with shad-plaugin?

[worthy geode]

shad?

[raven cypress]

shade

[worthy geode]

well, if you want to shade something in, like a dependency or something

[left swift]

shade everything

we stan a 100mb plugin

[red timber]

upload to spigotmc in parts

either every part as an update, or even separate resource

[golden gust]

So, what you do is upload a bootstrap jar

and, then you release the base data

and then, everything after that is a patch file

[ancient bolt]

sounds like a blockchain

[golden gust]

maybe here and there you release a much wider roll-up patch for people who forgot to update

😄

[ancient bolt]

do what microsoft does for windows update

collect the current state on the client, then the server generates the necessary patch

to go from x -> y

don't worry how long it takes, and that it's incredibly slow, because it'll just run in the background

[red timber]

xdelta3

[left swift]

blockchain spigot plugin

[golden gust]

You know

am just glad that microsoft fixed the update times in XP

[worn ember]

isnt that against spigot's rules? It should work offline too

[golden gust]

right... before it was EOL'd...

I mean

blockchain is always online

[left swift]

XP still lives on in my heart...

[golden gust]

and, that only counts for premium stuff

[left swift]

and nightmares

[ancient bolt]

yeah it's made substantial improvement. my partner's friend's husband got a job working at microsoft on the windows update system

he told me some of the nightmares, it's ancient code they don't care touch else they might incur demons

[worn ember]

Paper developers suggesting to break spigotmc rules, you heard it here first folks 👀

[ancient bolt]

apparently there's a master xml file that no one actually knows how to make, except for one guy who makes it manually. everyone just assumed it was generated automatically

[marble lark]

well

it's windows

[ancient bolt]

he said tracking down the guy who made the xml to talk to him so he can document the process and later automate it, went through over 10 people, because no one had any idea where it came from

[worn ember]

windows moment

[marble lark]

what happens if something in the xml is wrong

[left swift]

how u get that out of talk of windows xp and windows updates

ded moment

[ancient bolt]

probably tears a hole in the fabric of spacetime or something

[worn ember]

i read between the lines obviously

[left swift]

windows xp is code for spigotmc

[marble lark]

time to start deleting every xml i can find on every computer in my campus

[worn ember]

maybe you should scroll up a bit

[left swift]

to the conversation I was in

[worn ember]

yes

[left swift]

ded moment

[ancient bolt]

that sounds like a fun plugin. boots up a windows XP VM alongside the server that you can RDP in to manage the MC server

[left swift]

yeah

fun plugin

[marble lark]

piss

[ancient bolt]

pretty sure it's an internal file at microsoft, which is used as the source of truth for how windows update generates patches

but I talked with him several months ago, and am no expert, am probably misrepresenting and misremembering things

[marble lark]

oh

[left swift]

how is your plugin efforts going ded

dedrtp

[marble lark]

if your memory is accurate though seems like I'd do well in a position at Microsoft

this sounds exactly like something I'd end up doing

[worn ember]

i fixed the autocompletion bug finally turns out brigadier enabled breaks shit,

[left swift]

1 down 500 to go

[marble lark]

only to end up rewriting everything 1 week after i finished it

[ancient bolt]

my favorite horror story is oracle db

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941

oraguy

Oracle Database 12.2.It is close to 25 million lines of C code.What an unimaginable horror! You can't change a single line of code in the product without breaking 1000s of existing tests. Generations of programmers have worked on that code under difficult deadlines and filled the code with all kinds of crap.Very complex pieces of logic, memory m...

Hacker News · Nov 13, 2018, 5:44 PM

What an unimaginable horror! You can't change a single line of code in the product without breaking 1000s of existing tests.

[marble lark]

I'm glad the JVM isn't at that level yet lmao

[golden gust]

hahahaa

yet

[worn ember]

mvn build --notests

[ancient bolt]

Oracle and OpenJDK has actually been putting in a lot of work and making a lot of process at cleaning the JDK up

[worn ember]

well ig package would be the right one but shh

[marble lark]

on another note they take forever to approve your requests to join projects and shit

[golden gust]

problem with codebases is that sometimes you just need to have a period of time where you say, fuck it, no features, lets clean some shit up and fix a few issues

[worn ember]

now if they could only get rid of Object in old code an use generics that'd be great

[golden gust]

issue there is that then you start infringing upon everything else, e.g. now every change request probs has to be rebased, etc

[ancient bolt]

obviously it has to be an ongoing progress, but graal largely exists as a research project for an attempt at creating a better GC system, written in Java. and it's generally been really successful so far

[marble lark]

"we'll get back to you within 2 weeks" and proceeded to finally accept my request after 2 months

[golden gust]

which, gets in the way of dev time, etc, etc; so, you just end up in this case where code bases just rot

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/k238XpMMn38

[marble lark]

Graal is just everything rewritten in Java tbh

guess everyone at OpenJDK forgot about Metropolis

[golden gust]

I mean

being self hosted is like, the dream for every programming language

[marble lark]

the only ones I can think of that have succeeded at that are C/C++ and Rust

[golden gust]

haha

I just added a todo like that yesterday to a codebase 😄

[marble lark]

but i don't really look at that many language implementations

[marble lark]

sounds insteresting what's it about

I can't fucking spell gg

[golden gust]

Well, not a major one

[ancient bolt]

java's JIT and graal's work at AOT compilation ends up being legit good enough these days to match C code compiled with -O2 optimization most of the time. It's absolutely possible, with time, for Graal to become a fully self-hosted JDK/JVM

[marble lark]

Graal still has the AOT?

[ancient bolt]

The only real slowdown Java has over stuff like C is the GC and much much more heap allocation. The upside is Java can allocate on the heap faster than malloc() can

[ancient bolt]

yeah

[golden gust]

I fucking hate the way IJ commented that block of code too, but, I was tired and really CBA

[marble lark]

oh

[marble lark]

never knew that, interesting

[ancient bolt]

and also of course bounds checks, and other sanity checks the JVM does like type validation

[marble lark]

java's JIT and graal's work at AOT compilation ends up being legit good enough these days to match C code
tbh though wasn't that usually the case given equal level developers for both?

[golden gust]

well

working in C, you have more grounded access to stuff

[ancient bolt]

you missed my point

[marble lark]

like using C doesn't just magically mean it'll be fast you actually have to know your shit for it to be fast

[golden gust]

in java code ofc you can micro-op shit for the JIT

[marble lark]

welp

[golden gust]

but, the goal is that you don't gotta do that stupid shit to get good perf out of it

[marble lark]

oh

i see

[ancient bolt]

the point is that the machine code generated from the JVM's JIT can match the optimization level of C code compiled with -O2. Java still has several things inherent to it, which I mentioned a few being GC, lots heap allocations, bounds checking, type validation, and others, which will mean it's always going to be doing more work than C

but Java of today is orders of magnitude more efficient than it was several years ago, and it's continuing to improve

[marble lark]

yep

it's definitely come a long way

surprises me that people still think it's as slow as it was way back in the day

[golden gust]

Well, I mean, people just regurgitate shit

especially around areas which they don't understand, just look at the perf improvements java has had over the past few years alone

[ancient bolt]

The biggest thing is Java is a simpler language than C. Not simpler in terms of syntax, C is dead simple. Simple in terms of being able to write code that works first try, code which is safe and not leaking memory, code which can handle errors clearly and effectively. So that's the tradeoff.

Rust does all of that at compile time, and is extremely good at it. But that also creates inherent complexities and limitations that can be difficult to work around. And of course it has the most complex language syntax I've ever seen

[golden gust]

people still think we're in java 1.4 territory

[marble lark]

yeah

how long ago was 1.4 i can't even remember

(The Java version not the Minecraft version)

[ancient bolt]

computers didn't exist yet

[wide chasm]

At least there are automated tests, can't say that where I work

[marble lark]

hol' up-

wait a minute

[ancient bolt]

the first C compiler was written in C

before there was a C compiler

fun fact

[marble lark]

.g java 1.4 release date

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

[marble lark]

...

[upbeat falcon]

Java version history - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

J2SE 1.4[edit]. J2SE 1.4. Codename, Merlin. Released, February 6, 2002 (19 years ago) ...

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[wide chasm]

February 2002

[ancient bolt]

Not joking, dennis ritchie wrote the C code and then compiled it by hand using the rules of the compiler he just wrote

[marble lark]

woah

i thought he wrote it in assembly

[ancient bolt]

One of very very few languages (and only early languages) which was entirely self-hosted from the beginning

[marble lark]

that's just on another level lmao

[ancient bolt]

he did! the assembly was the output of the C program

[golden gust]

C is supposed to map pretty damned tight towards the ASM output

[ancient bolt]

these days C compilers generate huge unbelievably complex instruction sets for seemingly simple C programs. But that's not how it always was

yeah back then most things were 1:1

[marble lark]

but in that case... why bother writing C in the first place?

[golden gust]

So, "compiling" manually is trivial, especially back then

[ancient bolt]

basically just shorthand for assembly

[golden gust]

nowadays you have much more complex instructions and such as well as steps of optimisation to produce more efficent output, etc

[marble lark]

most of that is from linking against libraries and whatnot from what i remember

[golden gust]

Well, more

x86 is more complex

SSE, etc

and then you have many other architextures too

[wide chasm]

x86 is a fucking behemoth

[ancient bolt]

it was still useful to write the C code, as a shorthand for assembly, because that's what it is (was). a shorthand

[wide chasm]

There was a video named "top ten craziest x86 instructions" and, like, wtf

[marble lark]

I've only seen bits and pieces of x86 so far

[upbeat falcon]

How many x86 instructions are there? | The ryg blog

https://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2016/08/25/how-many-x86-instructions-are-there/

Aug 25, 2016 ... To not leave you hanging: Intel has an official x86 encoder/decoder library called XED. According to Intel's XED, as of this writing, there ...

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[ancient bolt]

TOP TEN CRAZIEST X86 INSTRUCTIONS! YOU WON'T BELIEVE NUMBER 8!!

[wide chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_xJPN7lAY

Even if you don't know x86 it's pretty understandable

[ancient bolt]

if you want to have your mind blown, see https://youtu.be/KrksBdWcZgQ

[void void]

me when PCMPxSTRx

[marble lark]

i know a little of it but not enough to write hello world in it

[void void]

😌

[ancient bolt]

there are more instructions available on most CPUs than what is publicly documented

[marble lark]

sounds kinda like public APIs vs internal methods to me

[wide chasm]

I wrote diff (not entirely obviously) in x86, but if you asked me now I couldn't even let the program exit with exit code 0.

[marble lark]

bad analogy but meh

[ancient bolt]

this was the first x86 assembly I've ever written https://github.com/DenWav/aoc2021/tree/main/day03/problem2
Previously I had only written 8086 assembly, which is significantly simpler

[marble lark]

ay you now have a new follow C:

[golden gust]

Yea, I recall doing ASM like once in college

never again, basically

[ancient bolt]

as you can see, I just fucking gave up on memcpy https://github.com/DenWav/aoc2021/blob/main/day03/problem2/copy_matched_lines.s#L82-L117

[marble lark]

I've only written one very simple one before and it defo wasn't x86 or annything fancy

[ancient bolt]

would have been better to implement my own memcpy in assembly imo

[golden gust]

pmsl

[ancient bolt]

x86 did away with the shift registers instruction that the 8086 has

so you can't dump all of the registers with a single instruction anymore

[marble lark]

# memcpy seems to screw with all kinds of registers
# So just to be on the safe side...
    push rax
    push rbx
    push rcx
    push rdx
    push rdi
    push rsi
    push r8
    push r9
    push r10
    push r11
    push r12
    push r13
    push r14
    push r15

    call _memcpy

    pop r15
    pop r14
    pop r13
    pop r12
    pop r11
    pop r10
    pop r9
    pop r8
    pop rsi
    pop rdi
    pop rdx
    pop rcx
    pop rbx
    pop rax

[wide chasm]

I also only did it once, forgot all about it and now Secure Programming comes along, gives a piece of assembly code and asks to find the security vulnerability. Like, come on

[ancient bolt]

probably lack of bounds checking

[wide chasm]

I mean, that was one of the common ones

But, as an example the professor wrote like ten lines of C code to print "Hello name" and there were four security vulnerabilities in that

[ancient bolt]

well

[marble lark]

gotta love buffer vulnerabilities and all

[ancient bolt]

10 lines of C to do that is already a sign you're doing something wrong

[marble lark]

printf();

[ancient bolt]

or more accurately, doing way more than you should be

best security in code is not having the code at all

[marble lark]

s t o n k s

[golden gust]

joy is all of the buggy baby bumpers using a managed language gives you

[marble lark]

this is probably the most assembly I've seen in a repo ever

[worn ember]

i heard stef loves assembly

[ancient bolt]

small problems generally don't need a lot of code to solve, but with assembly even doing simple things sometimes requires a lot of instructions when you don't know how to use all the fancy vector shit like me

fortran was also fun https://github.com/DenWav/aoc2021/blob/main/day09/problem2/solution.f90

[marble lark]

iirc not even the JVM has that high of a percentage (Even including inline assembly)

[wide chasm]

Actually 11:

#include <stdio.h>
char ∗hello(const char ∗name) {
    char message[256];
    sprintf(message, "hello %s \n" , name);
    return message;
}

int main(int argc, char ∗∗argv) {
    char ∗message = hello(argv[1]);
    printf(message);
    return 0;
}

This was the code, if you feel like it, find the four security vulnerabilities, three of them are quite easy, the other one is more difficult imo

[marble lark]

never tried fortran but heard it has a bad rep

[ancient bolt]

fortran definitely has some things which are much less convenient than C, but there's other things which are way easier than C

remove the requirement of defining all variables at the top of any function or procedure and honestly, it's not that bad

other than that oddity it feels much more modern than C does in some ways lol. Much richer type system

[marble lark]

...I definitely need a revision on this topic

[ancient bolt]

That said, this is modern fortran, it used to be much much more rigid than it is now, much harder to work with. The file type is f90 because it's the 90's version of Fortran where they removed a lot of ridiculous shit like every line has to be 8 characters indented, unless it's a comment....

it supports complex number types natively too, pretty cool

[worn ember]

you rather than me

[wide chasm]

A lot of bugs in C can be exploited to form a security vulnerability, so you can also just look for bugs if you find that easier

[golden gust]

kinda reminds me of how go is basically this language designed around "devs out of college know jack shit but we need productivety"

[ancient bolt]

well fortran isn't remotely like go lol

[worn ember]

hey thats me

[golden gust]

Like, theres so many languages out there which look interesting but are so stupidly complex to get into and such

[ancient bolt]

it's a language targeted for mathematical shit, basically made by/for a bunch of mathematicians

[worn ember]

Sad thing is, i'm probably one of the best java devs out of my college and that says a lot lol

well from my year

[ancient bolt]

and because of that, modern fortran compilers can sometimes produce more efficient code and use more obscure intel instructions etc than C compilers, being a language targeted at efficient math work

[wide chasm]

I mean, the larger companies want you to both know how to program pretty well and want you to know all the theoretical stuff behind it as well, even though those are two studies, not one.

[golden gust]

Like, java is one of the weird areas where it's a pretty darned simple language and easy to work with (but, the ecosystem is somewhat kinda semi-ass at times)

[ancient bolt]

out of all of the problems, fortran produced by far the smallest binary

[marble lark]

I'm guessing some of it has to do with sprintf and the fact that message has quite a decent amount of memory allocated there

[golden gust]

Like, fortan at least from my understanding is a pretty powerful language, but, at the same point, so much of a chore to get into for most

[ancient bolt]

and only linked with system, which in macOS land is the same as only using kernel syscalls

[golden gust]

and then you have go, which seems to cut out stupid things in the quest of being "easier"

[ancient bolt]

yeah massive chore tbh lol

[worn ember]

I like that C# for example has nuget which just works out of the box, so you dont need a build system like gradle or maven, its just integrated

[ancient bolt]

arrays start at 1 too

because, math

same as matlab

[wide chasm]

The memory isn't allocated, but the problem isn't necessarily that there is too much memory in use: 256 characters isn't that much.

[marble lark]

the syntax gets tiring after a while though, as much as I like it

[marble lark]

hmm

[golden gust]

I mean, it's consistent, for the most part

[worn ember]

being able to use var now already solved most of my grudges with java

[marble lark]

grr

[golden gust]

but, java is so far behind other languages

and we have such a dated ecosystem which has many massive pros and cons

[marble lark]

i shouldn't be struggling this much

[golden gust]

e.g. we had the node.js "random person deletes a library and breaks the entire ecosystem" solved before n.js existed

[wide chasm]

There are 256 characters, but how long will the message be that is going to be stored in there?

[marble lark]

The memory isn't allocated
my mistake yeah got a bit mixed up with something from C++

[marble lark]

ahh

you wouldn't know

[ancient bolt]

sprintf is shoving the result into message which is 256 chars long, but name can be longer. And it's returning a pointer to an invalid memory location, once the function returns, which then gets printed out from printf. That's all I can see

[wide chasm]

Yep, that's two out of four

[ancient bolt]

oh y'all are talking about it down here

[marble lark]

oh i had it backwards

[wide chasm]

Indeed, it's not that it is too much, but that it may be too little

[ancient bolt]

oh no check on the length of argv

[wide chasm]

Yes, that's another one

[marble lark]

ah

yep that's what I was thinking

we have 1 left?

[ancient bolt]

does sprintf automatically add the ending null terminator?

[wide chasm]

sprintf doesn't change the null termination I believe and the provided string is null-terminated, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[marble lark]

it sounds like it would, being labelled as safe printf after all

[wide chasm]

It's at least not listed as an issue here.

[ancient bolt]

sprintf means it prints to a string

not safe lol

[marble lark]

wait

why am I getting all the standard library calls mixed up

#include <stdio.h>
char* hello(const char ∗name) {
    char message[256];
    sprintf(message, "hello %s \n" , name);
    return message;
}

int main(int argc, char ∗∗argv) {
    char* message = hello(argv[1]);
    printf(message);
    return 0;
}

might as well move it down here so it isn't all the way at the top lel

at this point it's a guess lmao

[ancient bolt]

technically the * should go on the name, but doesn't matter

[wide chasm]

I copied from a PDF, which didn't really like the monospace font, so I manually tried to make it readable, but may have missed some stuff

[ancient bolt]

technically that's a style issue, but in C the * is a label on the name, separate from the type

[marble lark]

might be something to do with printf being passed message instead of the return value of hello directly but I really doubt that

[left swift]

sheesh this stuff be do going on

[wide chasm]

Storing it in a variable first is fine

[marble lark]

gg I've been getting the * on the wrong part of the expression for god knows how long

[ancient bolt]

for instance, this is legal:

int notAPointer, *isAPointer, **pointerToAPpointer;

If you did:

int* thing1, thing2;

then only thing1 would be a pointer.

Is the other security issue that the result of sprintf isn't checked? Doesn't verify that it returns a success value

[upbeat falcon]

When and why can sprintf fail? - Stack Overflow

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2948361/when-and-why-can-sprintf-fail

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[marble lark]

the buffer not being big enough seems to already be mentioned here though

[ancient bolt]

this is how I handled that, not the most efficient way, but to do the format and find the needed length, then doing the actual format with the now-known length https://github.com/DenWav/wat/blob/master/native/src/logger.c#L19-L25

[ancient bolt]

no it would have no idea about that

all it gets is a pointer

[wide chasm]

Yes, but that falls under the buffer overflow issue

You could count it separately, but then there are five issues 🙂

[ancient bolt]

I disagree in that instance, they are different issues. But that's cool, that means there's something else somewhere...

[marble lark]

i swear it's going to be something extremely obvious and me and DenWav will end up headdesking

[ancient bolt]

I think I know it

[wide chasm]

I personally didn't find it obvious when I was going through the manual, the three obvious ones you have spotted already

[sonic shadow]

is there a way to get the latest build of 1.17.x from v2 API? without the need to specify the build

[ancient bolt]

should either be:

printf("%s", message);

or

puts(message);

Since otherwise printf would try to parse message

[wide chasm]

Yes, very good

[marble lark]

seems like I still have some more catching up to do for C

[ancient bolt]

I'm by no means an expert, just gotten my hands dirty with C a few times lol

[wide chasm]

If you were to put formats in the provided message, C would start grabbing those from the stack (if it doesn't already fail with a segmentation fault).

[ancient bolt]

enough that I am aware of the fundamental things you gotta watch out for

[wide chasm]

No, you have to specify the build. You can grab the list of builds first, take the last one from that and use that, but note that we do not recommend auto-updating.

[ancient bolt]

that's odd, printf should retrieve the length of the arg array from the al register

which the C compiler should set to 0 beforehand

[marble lark]

i assumed the parameters were all in the right places to begin with :P

[ancient bolt]

but yeah you should never pass a string to printf, the format string should be a literal, to prevent that kind of issue

[wide chasm]

Haven't tested it myself, just said what was stated in the manual

[ancient bolt]

that's what I had to do when calling printf from assembly at least https://github.com/DenWav/aoc2021/blob/main/day03/problem2/main.s#L122-L126

[marble lark]

I only understand a bit of this lmao

lea rdi, [rip+printf_input]
mov rsi, rax
mov al, 1
call _printf 

[ancient bolt]

I mean there's a comment on each line to explain what it's doing

[wide chasm]

Looking back at my old Assembly I don't seem to be doing that. But that may just be my code being wrong.

[ancient bolt]

or could just be a macos thing

[marble lark]

load effective address of instruction pointer + input to rdi
move rax to rsi
move 1 to al
call printf imported from somewhere

[marble lark]

well i meant based off of the little I know about x86

[ancient bolt]

how the registers map to function arguments is listed here https://github.com/DenWav/aoc2021/blob/main/day03/problem2/main.s#L51-L52

rdi is the first arg, rsi is the second arg, etc

there are other rules for non-int functions (or functions with param lists longer) which utilize other registers and/or the stack, but I made sure to only use int functions (functions which take integers or pointers) in all of my functions, and any functions I called

that's defined by the calling convention, this is at least true for macOS

[marble lark]

is that a specific calling convention or one that's just used for that particular piece of code? I can't really tell

[wide chasm]

I remember that being the convention as well

rdi first, rsi second, I believe there's a third one as well and then more arguments go on the stack.

[marble lark]

i really can only remember rsp and rip

the rest are pretty foggy

[ancient bolt]

rdi, rsi, rdx, rcx, r8, r9
I think there's more after that, but that's all I needed for my reference

I think I should have done mov rax, 1 tbh, to clear out anything else in that register to be safe

but the info I found said it only reads al

[wide chasm]

Looking back at the course manual for systems architecture they don't state anything about al, they only state that rax controls the vector arguments, which should be set to zero if you're not going to be using them.

But this was also for x86_64 AT&T

[ancient bolt]

ah, so I'm right that I should have nuked all of rax

the reason that code worked is probably just that the value stored in rax immediately prior (the result of the problem) was small enough to just fill al

still a security risk

[wide chasm]

Probably, but if you're going to do more Assembly, should definitely check it, cause looking at my old code, the syntax is different so there are probably differences.

[marble lark]

all of the potential issues with asm waiting to blow up in your face makes me wonder how those guys at OpenJDK manage to retain their sanity lmao

10k lines of assembly

[wide chasm]

Like, that instruction you wrote would have been movq $1, %rax for me.

[marble lark]

if you're going to do more Assembly
I did want to try it but ended up giving up partway through :/

[wide chasm]

(I believe it would work without the q as well, but still.)

[frank otter]

oh I'm not a fan of assembly

wrote a whole bunch code a while ago

called the switch to 64 bits thing

now I have to put r in front of all the registers? what?

makes no sense to me

[wide chasm]

If you work with different sized registers, you need different instruction to accomodate for those.

In my message above the q is to make it for 64-bit registers.

[woven idol]

Hello guys there is a channel to ask about textures?

[golden gust]

er, I mean

we do server stuff

if you're creating resource pack stuff this is probs far from the best community for it

[foggy veldt]

First

[cosmic raft]

[foggy veldt]

I always wanted to do that

[zealous fractal]

😐

[left swift]

oh no

[plucky sparrow]

secon

[left swift]

slow mode is coming

[worn ember]

those reactions going crazy

[grizzled edge]

Let's go

[plucky sparrow]

I can feel #general IQ levels dropping soon

[left swift]

reactions are lagging on my screen

[left swift]

that's just because you're here

[plucky sparrow]

who are you

[real zealot]

Same. My screen was flashing lmao

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/beZQhPj.png

[plucky sparrow]

nomana my beloved, 🧱

[vernal moth]

holy these samples are big

[low niche]

Yep, broke my client for a few seconds :p

[cosmic raft]

new forums entirely

[foggy veldt]

I learned to never click on announcements after everyone ping

It’s instant client crash usually

[worn ember]

i like to watch the chaos

[tacit dome]

Damn the new forums looking fancy

[plucky sparrow]

The new forum looks great

[worn ember]

what forum software is that?

[worn crest]

pls make forum default dark theme eyerape is that

[worn ember]

oh nvm im blind

[formal turret]

ohhh yeaaa using the superior forum software now

[worn ember]

its literally at the bottom lmfao

[left swift]

hangar powered by xenforo

[foggy veldt]

Am I dum forum looks the same to me

[worn ember]

[formal turret]

it was discourse yea

[balmy isle]

so why are they using 2 forums?
is the old one gonna go away after hangar?

[tacit dome]

Xenforo

oh now I'm blind

[amber frost]

epic

[foggy veldt]

Is this what it looks like or is my cache fucked

[balmy isle]

wrong url

https://forums.papermc.io/

[frigid ferry]

Yo since when did the forums change

🥵

[left swift]

tomorrow

[foggy veldt]

Oooh

[cosmic raft]

old forum has registration disabled already

it'll go read-only soon

[balmy isle]

aha

before hangar is done? 👀

also, what's with the facebook emojis? 👀

[tacit dome]

I see you guys aren't using PaperAuth for the accounts

[worn ember]

Paper on its way to overtake Spigot:
Xenforo: ✅
Plugin repo:
Biggest market share: ✅

[tacit dome]

will a migration happen later?

[left swift]

paperbucket

[cosmic raft]

Don't worry about that for now, it is intentional, things behind the scenes are being worked on :)

[tacit dome]

Ah nice, love to follow the web development, tryna learn a thing here on there for when I start doing websites

[worn ember]

Don't forget to ping mini every now and again to work on hangar

[tacit dome]

Can't wait for Hangar do

[red panther]

new forum looks amazing

[tacit dome]

As I'm making great progress with my world gen resource

[foggy veldt]

Time to claim my username so I don’t have to pay $10 to change it

[tacit dome]

that has paper support(Only really implemented platform atm)

[twin lagoon]

where is dark mode

yooooo there is dark mode

[cosmic raft]

in the footer

[plucky sparrow]

Show dark mode

Omg it looks so fancy with dark mode

[worn ember]

is the footer supposed to look like that?

[left swift]

o em gee

[red panther]

try refreshing

[golden gust]

no

as per typical

DED shows up

[cosmic raft]

gimme your user agent

[golden gust]

AND FUCKING BREAKS SHIT

[worn ember]

i swear i dont do it on purpose

[worn ember]

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.110 Safari/537.36

[plucky sparrow]

Ded really just here breaking shit all day

[worn crest]

but make it default xd default light mode is eyerape after using discord

[left swift]

gecko

[worn ember]

i prefer light mode for forums tbh

[golden gust]

yes and we think that you're bad

[ebon needle]

Wow, new forums site looks incredible!

[worn ember]

if you cant make it ded proof dont make it at all

[ebon needle]

But why I receive this message when trying to register?

[worn ember]

well cuz you should probably register and not login?

[ebon needle]

Yeah, but this is register window

[worn ember]

after you fill everything in?

[magic river]

https://forums.papermc.io/members/amaranth.26/ woo member #26

[worn ember]

damn im 66

not real og

[magic river]

Look at my join date 😛

[worn ember]

thats no fair

[golden gust]

Better yet

https://forums.papermc.io/members/2/

[worn crest]

only second user?

[golden gust]

ofc, kash cheated

[worn ember]

fabulous

[ebon needle]

bruh, it was some kind of one-time bug

[worn ember]

see, i'm not the only one breaking stuff

[foggy veldt]

im going to be top poster on paper forums, believe it!

[tacit dome]

Member #58 ye

[foggy silo]

number 80

[cosmic raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYnvDL0Qcw

[ebon needle]

member 77

cool)

[left swift]

under 100 club

just for it to be deleted when hangar comes out in 2030

[ebon needle]

They would reset accounts especially for hangar?

[cosmic raft]

If anything, you'd need to do a password reset or similar at some point

[quick pasture]

even better yet https://forums.papermc.io/members/69/

[foggy veldt]

mini is writing the front end, 2030 is too soon of a release date

[vernal moth]

actually not working on hangar right now, just rebooted my PC, lol

I completely changed the layout of my room, had to rewire everything

PAIIIN

[ebon needle]

F

[foggy veldt]

the other day i changed the mounting bracket position on my desk and it was horrible

my fingers still hurt thinking about it

[vernal moth]

really like how it turned out

[foggy veldt]

ye looks nice

[vernal moth]

no longer piano party in the kitchen tho

[foggy veldt]

that couch next to the desk looks dangerous tho, id probably take a nap break every 10 minutes lol

[vernal moth]

reason 12457234 why hangar isnt done 😛

where else should I put my couch tho? lol

I only have this room and a big kitchen

[uncut kindle]

Not sure where best to ask but, how would I go about custom model data texture for a chest? I've done it with other items, but chests are... funky.

[ebon needle]

Hangar is probably the thing that I'm most waiting for in minecraft)

[golden gust]

jesus that place is kinda narrow

and that sofa is thic

wait, is that your bed behind the PC? o.O

[vernal moth]

yes thats what I did today

[cosmic raft]

that photo hurts my eyes

i can't tell what is what

[vernal moth]

lemme get a non distorted photo

[golden gust]

Like, now I kinda wanna go see minis house just to see what the fuck of a layout his place is

[magic river]

Yeah doing a landscape shot that goes around a corner makes my brain die

[fallen oracle]

Yeah

[magic river]

I'm assuming the room is L shaped anyway

[fallen oracle]

I was trying to figure out the problem

[magic river]

Oh, or not...

[twin lagoon]

Why has my Forums post been removed

[quick pasture]

cable management tm

[vernal moth]

and the couch is collapsible so I got room for VR shit

ignore that cable mess next to my desk, thats my 5.1 sound system that I need to connect....

[golden gust]

Okay, that makes the place look like less of a total abomination

[vernal moth]

the rest of the cables are somewhat nicely managed

[foggy veldt]

It reminds me of trainwreckstv old apartment if you know who that is, everyone used to say he lived in a shipping container

[unkempt drift]

it really is like the most oddly proportioned room in terms of length vs width

[foggy veldt]

Looks nice for the space available tho

[magic river]

It looks like someone took a bedroom and walk-in closet at the end of a hallway and made it in to an apartment

[vernal moth]

oh don't worry this flat doesn't have a single 90° wall

https://i.imgur.com/gLXs0Zh.png

this is the flat

the walls are not even that far off angle wise 😂

[mossy vessel]

Actually quite small, room wise, yet a lot of space

[vernal moth]

I like the bed in the niche

its 43sqm

I don't really need more for me alone

[mossy vessel]

My living room has 39sqm

[vernal moth]

its enough to spend a weekend as 2, or to invite friends for an evening

[mossy vessel]

But it's opened to the staircase

[vernal moth]

am pretty happy and lucky that I have this

am living around parks, I can walk to everything, I have the subway/tram infront of the house, 5 min cycle to work, 2 min to autobahn, its perfect

[golden gust]

ah

My place is kinda the same sorta setup

studio flats are literally ass

[mossy vessel]

I have a few km to the next bigger city... with 20k people living around

[golden gust]

but, like, what else can you do

[vernal moth]

oh 20-40min (depending on BAC) to the cologne party street is a big plus too

[mossy vessel]

Countryside rocks

[vernal moth]

having a bigger flat would just mean more work, not worth it 😄

[golden gust]

living out of the city has some pros but defo some cons

[vernal moth]

until am in an actually stable relationship for once it makes no sense for me to move

[mossy vessel]

Means more space to fill with dumb crap you need to tidy up

[vernal moth]

I can't even buy stupid amount of cloths since I only have a small drawer 😄

[golden gust]

for me, I just kinda hate the bed in the living room setup

[vernal moth]

I did cheat and have some cloths stored under my bed now tho

[magic river]

Oh god I have too many clothes

At some point I seem to have managed to buy about twice what will fit in my dresser