general

[void void]

What are prs

Just push to master

[limber knot]

dont need prs if you are the only developer

[void void]

[limber knot]

:sadge;

Felenov keeps me captive in his basement without the heater on

i don't have blankets thick enough

:(

[rare python]

Why does an event need a getHandlers and getHandlerList function

They return the same thing...

Why

[timber sentinel]

one is static

the other not

[potent fossil]

cause sometimes its called static and sometimes its called from the instance

[rare python]

...

[limber knot]

ah yes

static

[potent fossil]

but, like, nobody said bukkit was designed well

[limber knot]

wish V had that

[rare python]

Bukkit is pain.

Minecraft in general is pain

[limber knot]

DFU

:kekpain:

[rare python]

Thread safe code? AHAHHAHA WHO NEEDS THAT

[void void]

I still don’t understand DFU

[limber knot]

ah yes let's implement functional programming in java

[rare python]

Dfu?

[limber knot]

datafixerupper

[cosmic raft]

well, here

read these to understand it @void void

Point-free Program Transformation: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/pfpt.pdf
The essence of strategic programming: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8643/73ffcee27467876b1030ee347b3c2e625756.pdf
Algebraic Specialization of Generic Functions for Recursive Types: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/msfp08.pdf
Generic Programming with Fixed Points for Mutually Recursive Datatypes: http://users.eecs.northwestern.edu/~clk800/rand-test-study/_gpwfpfmrd/gpwfpfmrd-2009-10-8-12-02-00.pdf
A Formal Comparison of Approaches to Datatype-Generic Programming: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.2920.pdf
Profunctor Optics: Modular Data Accessors: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.10857.pdf
Generic Point-free Lenses: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/mpc10.pdf
Type-safe Two-level Data Transformation: http://www4.di.uminho.pt/~joost/publications/TypesafeTwolevelDataTransformation.pdf
Transformation of structure-shy programs with application to XPath queries and strategic functions https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/scp.pdf
Calculating with Lenses: Optimising Bidirectional Transformations: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/pepm11.pdf

[twin lagoon]

kashike 🥺

[void void]

Thank you, will be back next year when I’ve finished reading thise

[limber knot]

pain

and optimize DFU on upstream?

[void void]

If it breaks a ten year old plugin you can forget it

[limber knot]

true

can't break the first bukkit plugin

[rare python]

Hang on a second

getHandlerList should already be implemented...

What

[limber knot]

implemented wrongly?

moving everything into the util package so i don't have to get the server instance :DDDDD

this is how cool valk is https://naomi.s-ul.eu/An2mY5Li

[waxen panther]

this is a terrible idea

[limber knot]

what do you want me to do? make the server instance globally mutable?

that's a worse idea.

[waxen panther]

just make them get the server instance

[rare python]

git is causing great pain

[limber knot]

i cannot get the server instance

it's either global or function scope

:D

[void void]

Make a static getter or smth

[rare python]

I just store things that need to be globally accessable in kotlin companion objects

[limber knot]

V doesn't allow file scope globals outside the standard library

because WHY WOULD THEY

[prime coral]

Why shouldnt they

[limber knot]

ask the devs

[rare python]

....

Why is this not working

This should be working

The method exists

Use it you braindead server

My laptop just died

F

[limber knot]

gg

[rare python]

Just as I was writing a fix

:/

[limber knot]

ij autosave :)

[rare python]

Well yes

[limber knot]

yee https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/12668

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

brocc alone in ts ?

[waxen panther]

@untold meadow hates me

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow hates you

how the tables have turned

[rare python]

I once got criticized in another server for saying that lua was bad and that kotlin was one of the best languages when it comes to syntax

[waxen panther]

[rare python]

.forEach {} and getters and setters are just :)

[tropic flame]

Lua and Kotlin are not comparable

Lua is a language that's designed to be embedded in a system

you're not going to write desktop applications in Lua

[rare python]

That has not stopped people.

[tropic flame]

you'll write scripts for existing applications that provide a Lua hook, like VLC, or the OpenComputers mod for Minecraft

[tropic flame]

i bet so, but it's not the language's intention ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[foggy veldt]

Lua is actually a very powerful scripting language. You can do a lot with very little code

It just gets a bad rep because it’s known as the roblox / computercraft language

[potent fossil]

:L https://www.razer.com/gear-accessories/razer-gaming-finger-sleeve

what the fuck

[foggy veldt]

Will pair nicely with my gunnar glasses, dx racer, scuff controller, and gfuel

I will finally go pro in osu

[tropic flame]

osu

based

[foggy veldt]

Since when can you have slideshow server banners

[limber knot]

since a week or 2

tokaku reviewed those razer finger sleeves btw

[tropic flame]

programs that force the minimum windowed resolution to be a 16:9 one and don't let me shrink = 🤮

basically every VS installer since version 2019

i don't remember 2017 being like this

[potent fossil]

none i've been in

[twin lagoon]

haven't seen that one either

who the fuck uses IRC

[potent fossil]

nope, haven't been there for quite a while

[twin lagoon]

it's 2021 not 1984

[potent fossil]

also isn't freenode completely fucked now lmfao

[waxen panther]

can we get an rfc for deleting the bridge

[potent fossil]

if kash adds .kill equivalent to kaguya ill shut down paperchan immediately

just murdered

in cold blood

that's uh...

a weird flex...?

🤔

well thanks for sharing, i guess

[untold meadow]

signed

approved

[waxen panther]

ok thats 2v0

making a change dot org post

[potent fossil]

i just, dont understand why the message contents matter. like why did you talk about that at all lmao. how does that relate to razer

like, what

[waxen panther]

that was a pretty weird thing to interject

[twin lagoon]

the world if the paper irc bridge didn't exist

[rare python]

https://youtu.be/HFP-lWpR11U

Pog

[waxen panther]

you're the one bringing up your racist rooms smh

[potent fossil]

what in gods name

actually no

[rare python]

EU do be making new laws

[potent fossil]

god is dead and i killed him

what in cthulhu's name

[mental meadow]

[potent fossil]

we just need /kill in kaguya then paperchan bot is dead and my vote is +1 to murder irc bridge

oh also 8ball equivalent

[mental meadow]

but who replaces naomi

[potent fossil]

hopefully nobody

[mental meadow]

naomi is irreplaceable true

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

irreplaceably annoying

@waxen panther thoughts

[waxen panther]

i would choose the pepela emoticon as my response to this question

[twin lagoon]

[green lagoon]

Good Morning peps!

[foggy veldt]

Have you guys ever thought if discord never existed we might have never met each other

[mental meadow]

I dream about that every night

[potent fossil]

If discord never existed I'd probably still be on IRC shitposting

[limber knot]

💃

[potent fossil]

God, back in spigot with cat, Mini, Z, iso, Redrield, kash, and others

fucking days

fuck that was literally 6 or 7 years ago lmao

getting 🧓

[foggy veldt]

If discord never existed I think I would’ve given up programming by now because I was losing interest until I found JavaScript

Maybe I would’ve been a business major or some shit

[potent fossil]

i learned how to code because of this dude on runescape

[cosmic raft]

https://korobi.vq.lc/network/spigot/channel/paper/logs/2016/04/28/#L1

[potent fossil]

heh :')

[twin lagoon]

pimple 🥺

[potent fossil]

michal

[foggy veldt]

I originally “learned” programming writing spigot plugins but the code was shit. I didn’t actually learn how to program until I started messing with dapi

[cosmic raft]

also

discord doesn't have this

https://korobi.vq.lc/network/spigot/channel/paper/logs/2016/05/03/#L10

🇨 🇴 🇱 🇴 🇺 🇷 🇸

[potent fossil]

irc was definitely ahead of its time

[foggy veldt]

Thank god discord doesn’t have colors

[twin lagoon]

but does it have emotes & stickers

[limber knot]

e

[twin lagoon]

essential features for today's standards

[foggy veldt]

People are already annoying with the small amount of markdown formatting they can do

[limber knot]

yall talking about replacing me :c

cool

[rare python]

But the issue is, it is against discords TOS to do that. If the law mentioned in that video passes, Discord can no longer enforce that part of there TOS, leaving us free to modify or replace the discord client without fear of a ban.

[limber knot]

i will fix the annoying bug called discord spying on people

[rare python]

Well yes.

I have been considering making a discord mod of sorts that will allow screensharing to run on wayland properly.

[potent fossil]

admitting to purposeful ToS breakage

[limber knot]

that would mean making a native app

[potent fossil]

[limber knot]

Qt <3

[potent fossil]

phoenix616, u shud regen the spigotclub thingy so i can see if im still on the leaderboard. you didn't update that shet since 2020 july

[twin lagoon]

cope harder

[tropic flame]

which is good

https://c.tenor.com/epNMHGvRyHcAAAAM/gigachad-chad.gif

i love when based laws are proposed

[potent fossil]

electroniccat spoke a total of 846383 words!
electroniccat's faithful follower, Choco, didn't speak so much: 585599 words.

Poor Choco, nobody likes them. They were attacked 96 times.
For example, like this:
* MiniDigger smacks choco

  electroniccat seems to be unliked too. They got beaten 59 times.

God, this brings back memories of the Old Times

[tropic flame]

if not for discord actually being slightly faster than Skype back in 2017 I'd still be on Skype

nowadays discord client sucks

but Skype isn't any better ever since they ditched their native client in favor of electron

so going back is not an option

[rare python]

Why is intelliJ not recognising the git repository on my computer now...

what.

[potent fossil]

again, related how?

[mental meadow]

dude just stop talking

"oh look how much of an ass i am outside of this discord you should be happy I'm so nice here"

what the fuck

thats not something to brag about

[potent fossil]

yeah im, i dont get why you keep sharing those its very weird

anyway ima got to bed

ily uwuwa

[mental meadow]

gn8

[marble lark]

night simple

[mental meadow]

[marble lark]

also ello aurora

idk what i'm doing anymore

lmao

[tropic flame]

there's a user API?

like, publicly accessible

[potent fossil]

not slep yet

its accessible but you're not supposed to use it with a user token, doing so is called self botting

against tos

[void void]

Spotify has this approach

They allow custom clients as long as you don’t block ads

[foggy veldt]

This conversation made me check my Skype and I donowalled one of the first friends I made online for 4 years ;-;

[marble lark]

bruh

actually wait

relatable

I'm the one that's like your friend

:D

[void void]

No clue

I just use spicetify with a basic theme and like two addons

[tropic flame]

no clue either, brb downloading an APK

jk

[potent fossil]

spotifyd is a valid custom client, runs as a headless daemon on linux, then you can just tell spotify to "play to" spotifyd and spotify can forward to any sound handler like alsa or pulse or w/e

or a networked sound system of speakers

etc etc

gg 4 u

spotifyd plays to vlc as well

[prime coral]

[limber knot]

i dont use spotify because the features i care about are paywalled and i dont have that kinda money

bandcamp <3

[void void]

Spotify family is surprisingly cheap

[potent fossil]

i use spotify atm bc i get student plan, but they said they wont give it to me again after this school year so i wont use it probably

[void void]

€9,99 for one person, €14,99 for six

[prime coral]

Spotify student

[potent fossil]

$5 for me atm, but yea, not for much longer

[limber knot]

i have 15gb of 320kbps vaporwave mp3s

[potent fossil]

unless

i use my new school's email and make a new acc

[limber knot]

i wont run out of music to listen to soon

[potent fossil]

okay for real leaving now it's 6am, im fucking idiotic for still being awake

goodbye

[limber knot]

gn smipple

[potent fossil]

ive been sleep deprived since 1997

[limber knot]

since birth? damn

[mental meadow]

see that's why you take over the webmaster stuff for your old school when you leave

[marble lark]

join the club

[mental meadow]

now I can create as many school mail addresses as i want

[limber knot]

LMAO

[wide chasm]

spends nine months sleeping
is still sleepy

[marble lark]

chronic insomnia since the mid 2000s

[potent fossil]

unfortunately my school has a full time it department

so cant do that

[limber knot]

weren't you fixing your sleep schedule, felenov

[marble lark]

nice

[void void]

gn simple

[marble lark]

but seriously simple go sleep

[potent fossil]

OKAY YES GOODBYE

[void void]

just bribe them

duh

[potent fossil]

no, i am watching you

reminder: https://gist.github.com/simpleauthority/2818aedd357de3425580cf61948a8496

ok bye

[marble lark]

dude don't tag him if you want him to sleep ;-;

[limber knot]

time for 15 mins in 4°C weather

weee

with wind chill*

4 feels like -1 according to google

[nova arrow]

E

hello

[limber knot]

felenov

please tell me the basement isnt one of those

[marble lark]

the basement is one of those

:)

[limber knot]

oh no

[plucky sparrow]

b

[limber knot]

and in the basement

[void void]

Gonna restart lounge for image embeds

[limber knot]

oki

[plucky sparrow]

this seems quite contradictory, not sure

[marble lark]

lmao

[void void]

aaaand we're back

embeds work now, yay

[limber knot]

epic

[abstract aspen]

Tfw this comes up before the actual download link for minecraft when I search on google https://www.java.com/en/download/help/minecraft.html

[mental meadow]

lol

[limber knot]

cool i guess

[quick halo]

People contacting java to ask where is minecraft java edition.

[brave mountain]

Zerotier it's better btw

[abstract aspen]

I reckon Oracle got a bunch of emails about it cause people think Java and Minecraft are the same thing

[brave mountain]

50 device in one network

[quick halo]

I keep meaning to look at Zerotier since Mikrotik built it in.

[brave mountain]

Support windows, mac, linx, bsd, Mikrotik

[rare python]

Don't mind me as I use reload confirm

[limber knot]

probably not

unless they're OpenGL bindings ofc

[gritty crane]

Everything has pro and cons

[limber knot]

writing valk in V, writing ValkClient in Elixir, xd

yeah

[brave mountain]

Yes

[limber knot]

true

in LGE ofc

[foggy silo]

Lol Minecraft just consumed lots of stuff, like if you search io.netty you get Minecraft all over the place

[limber knot]

100%

using naml for config files

can use lynx's lib

damn

[worn ember]

eww biscord minors

[brave mountain]

It's good to start learning python if I want to get in java after?

[limber knot]

why not go straight to Java?

[worn ember]

well java is OOP and python isn't so it doesnt make much sense imo other than general programming fundamentals not much will be similar

[marble lark]

^

Java is decently easy to learn

[worn ember]

just learn java if you want to learn java

[brave mountain]

BTW speaking of bandwidth, how well will run a Minecraft server with 10mbps upload?

[limber knot]

.try

https://tryitands.ee/

[worn ember]

not like we know those numbers lol

[brave mountain]

Ok thanks

😅

[worn ember]

how well will my frying pan bake a 3 day old fish?

[void void]

yes

[worn ember]

thanks

[brave mountain]

I want some base knowledge you know

[worn ember]

python wont really help you with that

[limber knot]

jetbrains academy, codecademy etc..

wtf

baking fish in frying pan

use an bowl and bake it in the oven you heretic

makes it way easier to get the skin out of your pan

[brave mountain]

Latinamerica you know

[rare python]

[14:39:55 INFO]: [Minecraft Starship Plugin] Found unexpected block! Found CraftBlockData{minecraft:red_stained_glass} expected RED_STAINED_GLASS

...

[marble lark]

Java is actually a really good language for that tbh

I had a much easier time learning other languages since Java was my first

[limber knot]

i love java so much it's hard to use other languages for me lol

too used to my classes and getters and setters

[worn ember]

sucks to be you

[limber knot]

shut up ded

[worn ember]

maybe when you get unbanned

[limber knot]

10 days.

[tropic mural]

anybody have some good looking 1.18 seed on spawn ?

[brave mountain]

Great

[marble lark]

it was (And still is) surprisingly easy for me to instantly switch between paradigms depending on which one is best for the current language and task

[meager tusk]

why would you love java for this

[limber knot]

because it's obvious what my code does

duh

[mild rune]

just write cryptic vars

[limber knot]

monkemodmail does that

[meager tusk]

what

[limber knot]

happens

[marble lark]

honestly I don't mind doing it the OOP way like Java or other ways like in C and all

[rare python]

The issue?
I put

this.material = material

Instead of

this.material = material.material

Welcome to programming.

[marble lark]

you really might want to rename the material field

[rare python]

Maybe

[limber knot]

ok but sherman have you tried V

[marble lark]

not yet

too lazy

[limber knot]

go do it

[rare python]

I have 6 different constructors

[limber knot]

elshout compiler in V

[marble lark]

mate we save compilers for languages we want to actually be good

[meager tusk]

No, welcome to shit naming

why is it material.material

[rare python]

Which accept
Material
Byte
BlockData
Block
Int
String

[meager tusk]

Peter i hate your profile picture it looks so jarring in chat

[marble lark]

name the field cachedMaterial and the constructor param inputMaterial

[rare python]

Although Int raises NotImplementedError and Block just calls BlockData

It gets worse

[meager tusk]

i mean in chat

it looks like big ass padding next to the name

[rare python]

Clearly I hate myself.

[meager tusk]

Oh, the bad format of chat.

[limber knot]

^

dont want to have to mod shitcord for better dark mode

[rare python]

Now I need to rotate relative coordinates by 90 degrees.

Also most of my stuff is actually has sensible variable names

Just uh some do not.

[meager tusk]

"hardened" spoken like an old person

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-18-1-pre-release-1

[meager tusk]

highkey this

[limber knot]

i only write comments to be funny

or to get picked up by the vdoc

[meager tusk]

// have to do this. fuck java

// java, seriously?

[limber knot]

ok idriz

[rare python]

Most interesting comment in MSP, at least one that I know of.

getPluginManager().registerEvents(CustomBlocksListener(), this)
getPluginManager().registerEvents(MultiblockDetectionListener(), this)

//   /-\
//  / ! \  MUST BE CALLED AFTER REGISTERING EVENTS!
// /_____\
saveDefaultConfig()
reloadConfig()

That comment is there because config loading happening before events waisted alot of debugging time.

Because MSPReloadConfigEvent is called when config needs to be loaded, and if those events have not been loaded then config never gets loaded.

Meaning things keep trying to refer to null values... which is very not helpful.

[quasi valley]

mfw the 1.18 fog is so bad https://i.imgur.com/LZlYrr8.jpeg 1.18
https://i.imgur.com/S7ajmD4.jpeg 1.18.1

[marble lark]

f*ck Cygwin it's awful

[rare python]

The issue with giving things helpful names is you end up with stuff like this.

fun rotateRelativeBy90(base: MultiblockOriginRelativeLocation): MultiblockOriginRelativeLocation = MultiblockOriginRelativeLocation(-base.z, base.y, base.x)

[mild rune]

Glad they fixed the fog

It was real bad

[elfin steppe]

yeah its much better now

[quasi valley]

https://i.imgur.com/5HzeqN7.jpg

[mild rune]

who needs to see

oh they also made it cylindrical instead of spherical which idk why they picked a sphere for the update that made the world taller

[hexed dragon]

slicedlime sent the wrong link on twitter then sent the right one

[worn ember]

is it worth updating to the new launcher?

[mild rune]

no lol

it's worse imo

I've had so many issues with it

Uninstalled it

It legit wouldn't let me swap accounts without signing out of them

something about me not being logged in on the xbox app

[hexed dragon]

I kept both.

[mild rune]

It was very annoying when I had to swap accounts

They gotta keep the old launcher alive because mac and linux

[hexed dragon]

It does annoy me though with it saying I'm not logged into the correct account on the store every time I open the luancher.

[elfin bolt]

i recommend multimc

it does all the things

[hexed dragon]

Nice thx for the advert within the chat.

[elfin bolt]

wat

multimc is free

[hexed dragon]

Does it bring me tea? No, so it doesn't do everything.

[worn ember]

what the actual fuck

[mild rune]

I'd rather not use multimc tbh

I prefer the official launcher

[hexed dragon]

Nice gamertag.

[worn ember]

???? i literally never set that

[plucky sparrow]

My life has been better ever since I switched to multimc

[elfin bolt]

same

[plucky sparrow]

You can change it for free once

Or you could, not sure if you still can

[brave mountain]

Very nice

[worn ember]

god ms really finds a way to make even the most trivial things annoying

[elfin bolt]

multimc makes switching accounts easy as selecting it in a drowdown

[mild rune]

I mean so does the actual launcher

lol

it's the new one that's integrated with the xbox app that's busted

[elfin bolt]

i didnt install the new one

[twin lagoon]

it autogenerates one

you can change it

[elfin bolt]

i only use the normal launcher to extract optifine anyway lol

[twin lagoon]

optifabric

[worn ember]

oh ffs my tag is 13 chars and it can only be 12

[mild rune]

At that point just use all the other performance mods for fabric

[elfin bolt]

yes i am aware. to use optifabric you have to put the optifine mod into your mods folder as well tho.

[twin lagoon]

you just put the optifine jar itself in the mods folder

the one you download straight off of the website

no extraction necessary

[elfin bolt]

are you sure?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[vague thicket]

1.18 does not start, the batch file crashes

help pls

[twin lagoon]

#❗-1-18-experimental

use the right channels

[elfin bolt]

i guess they changed it

[void void]

you probably have to update to java 17

[twin lagoon]

it has been like that for quite some time

[elfin bolt]

then i can uninstall the normal launcher completely now

[marble lark]

holy fuck the generation though

[tardy dust]

how many patches are left?

[still silo]

Autogened by microsoft

[worn ember]

yeah ichanged it

kinda cringe tho xD

[still silo]

Oh my bad that was like ten minutes ago

[void void]

13

[tardy dust]

nice

[vernal moth]

smh, beyerdynamic doesn't send me a tracking code

[short yarrow]

do http clients usually have a retry mechanism? or do you need to use a separate library for retry

[vernal moth]

retry is something you do yourself, its really use case specific

you want circuit breakers and shit

[short yarrow]

i see. like sometimes you might get a transient network issue and a retry usually does the job

the stuff i use at work has retry by default, but wanted to know if this was standard

[prime coral]

Sounds like a normal day to me

[thin quail]

what line is antixray for the nether on
i can seem to find
been looking for 15mins

[crystal lily]

Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

[elfin steppe]

read it and you’ll see it

[golden gust]

Meanwhile in the UK:
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/gloucestershire-bomb-squad-called-to-ae-after-man-gets-anti-tank-shell-lodged-up-rectum/171181

[maiden hearth]

I love it when our server has the winter resource pack and snow particles enabled.

[vernal moth]

LMAO

today in: why YML is shit

https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/actions/runs/1536223622

https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/blob/master/.github/workflows/deploy.yml#L12

github ref is 07e1f69 and something in that has a special meaning in yml

mmh

can't repo

[void void]

wait what

[void void]

I love the shaders, which ones are you using?

[maiden hearth]

seus ptgi hrr 2.1
They are free nowadays but you need a beefy cpu

It does raytracing but on cpu

[left swift]

100% beef

[maiden hearth]

No pork

[mild rune]

25% b 75% eef

[worn ember]

100% YEET

[void void]

thank you ded

[half hawk]

THATS SO MUCh beTTER

[worn ember]

ur welcome

[radiant oriole]

It’s a number

[vernal moth]

that wasnt the issue

idk what the issue was

quoting it didnt fix it

[radiant oriole]

That’s bizzare…

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/commit/303cc644eecd1d8ef6c090005524c63afd9a98e1

this fixed it

which actually is still wrong

but whatever

[hexed dragon]

TF?

[quasi valley]

wanna join the bum squad?

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[left swift]

smell ya bum

[limber knot]

i have installed freebsd

[spiral robin]

ok

[maiden hearth]

Free bluescreen death

[potent panther]

https://musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Song-Maker/song/4736354195341312

very good music

[vernal moth]

that must have been so much work

but man, music without different note length sucks so much

[void void]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/GwhP5XsuTd1Ai1VkXELdZL0x9de_xB25czZysqeEOtM/https/musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Song-Maker/client/images/song-maker.jpg i saw this embed and thought you were being sarcastic lol

but damn, that looks impressive

[vernal moth]

well, its not that of a complicated song

[void void]

aaaand... i just realized which song it is

[vernal moth]

can prolly do it in a few minutes

its still sucks writing music like that without a keyboard, lol

[magic river]

My slippers got ruined so I'm wearing my shoes today and every time I walk around the house the first thing I touch shocks the shit out of me

I'm electrically isolated from the house now when standing 😛

[maiden hearth]

Where do I complain about the new Minecraft music not coming from c418

[ashen cliff]

Complain to C418 directly.

[limber knot]

just listen to Dan's other music while you play, it's pretty awesome ;D

or listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCxrl6_yWyg

I'm especially fond of https://c418.bandcamp.com/album/seven-years-of-server-data

https://naomi.s-ul.eu/WQ3wO8ZV what a coincidence

also https://isitbandcampfriday.com/

I should just buy all of his stuff lol

wait, I actually own 21 of them already

[maiden hearth]

Thanks for the recommendations

[limber knot]

TIl he made the official soundtrack to cookie clicker: https://c418.bandcamp.com/album/cookie-clicker

[vernal moth]

ye its good

[glass talon]

anyone built Oraxen from source? it seems to be missing default textures

i wanted to test it before i bought but its impossible

[vernal moth]

one would assume that thats the reason

[glass talon]

it looks like a great plugin but the documentation is lacking in certain areas so i wanna know for sure before i spend a whole 17 EUR on a single plugin, i only paid 5eur for minecraft..

[limber knot]

I mean report the issues that you are experiencing?

[glass talon]

well idk if they've taken out custom textures from the repo to make it harder to people to build from source, it is a paid plugin

s why i asked if anyone else had built it from source before bothering the dev

[limber knot]

and 17€ is dirt cheap for software which people use to make thousands of dollars ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass talon]

indeed it is

not really my question tho

[foggy veldt]

When did Mojang sell Minecraft for 5 euro

[glass talon]

alpha

[vernal moth]

can people see this?

#916395478948655234 message

[foggy veldt]

Nope

[vernal moth]

ty

[limber knot]

see what? discord not properly linking to messages?

[vernal moth]

no

[limber knot]

oh, if you click on it in the chat it shows an error

if you open it in the browser it just goes to welcome lol

TIL that discord not only leaks private channel names and topics but also their creation dates 👀

[jade panther]

Quick strawpoll, what FTP app do people use on Windows? I'm coming from MacOS rn and I used Transmit which has a simply amazing UI design, but I find FileZilla a little, uhh, less than easy to use.

[fallen oracle]

MobaXTerm or WinSCP is my typical go-to.

[limber knot]

I would hope most people use rsync/scp nowadays

[marble lark]

how tf

[limber knot]

but yeah, for hosts only supporting FTP stuff I tend to use FileZilla

[jade panther]

Yeah I use Shockbyte :\

[void void]

Permissions aswell

[limber knot]

oh right

[ashen cliff]

leaks
That's a design choice.

[limber knot]

it's a stupid choice

[void void]

I know, you shouldn't store sensitive info in there anyways

[limber knot]

at least with channel names it's not that big of an issue but there are probably people that are putting sensitive info in channel topics lol

[jade panther]

Yep.

[limber knot]

(also technically the sole existence of certain channels can provide some information but of course there is no way to really verify it)

[jade panther]

Easy to grab like google docs in the desc of a channel

[ashen cliff]

Have to save on server processing somehow.
🛌

[jade panther]

My favorite is some servers that have channels that are named "Hi BetterDiscord users" lmfao

[ashen cliff]

Don't even need that. Just a normal API request will do.
Like some time ago, you didn't even need to be logged in to run that API request.

[limber knot]

TIL that there is a Host group 👀

[dense lava]

hello

[void void]

it's for discussing large changes with hosts iirc

As the name kinda suggests

[void void]

large changes that would impact hosts*

[jade panther]

wdym Hosts group? like server hsots?

*hosts

[void void]

role

[worn ember]

Hello I'd like to apply for host role. For my epic omega winter host

[jade panther]

oh oh

[worn ember]

[left swift]

[worn ember]

show poke feet

[left swift]

[worn ember]

[tropic flame]

can't wait for the "i want 1.18 not 1.18.1 builds" folks once 1.18.1 arrives

[waxen panther]

[left swift]

is that famous actor billie eilish in ur pfp br*cc

[void void]

oh nı

oh no

why would anyone want a more buggy version?

[waxen panther]

No

[left swift]

y

[waxen panther]

it is Not Billie Ellis’s

[void void]

why would you even think that

[waxen panther]

mana watches twitch

be patient with him

[tropic flame]

haha green light red light profile pic

[left swift]

read it again and really think if I thought that

[void void]

billie eilish is a very famous actor indeed

[worn ember]

a yes billy's eye lash

[left swift]

I really liked Billy's song bad habits

[worn ember]

i like no way home by billy eye lash

[left swift]

brocc just jealous I have poki garage door

[void void]

I really liked her song for james bond, Skyfall

[left swift]

anyways

[dense lava]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-türk-turkish-flag-wavy-gif-17405192

[void void]

Just... why?

[viral hornet]

ok

[void void]

Please take my nation's flag away

This posts like this embarrasses my country

[void void]

Please delete this, random flag spam is cringe

[viral hornet]

You going on about it is more cringe

[mossy vessel]

#gifs-and-memes

[left swift]

[viral hornet]

@mossy vessel xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[void void]

why?

[viral hornet]

ok

[void void]

ok

[mossy vessel]

good morning best camm!

[left swift]

it's a flag how is that embarrassing your country

unless youre saying your flag is an embarrassment

[viral hornet]

good night () best nmf

[void void]

People spam it everywhere

[mossy vessel]

Ok good night camm

[void void]

nope, spamming it is embarrassing

[mental meadow]

nationalism is emberassing lol

[mossy vessel]

Finally a sane sleep cycle?

[void void]

gn camm

[viral hornet]

I have had a normal sleep cycle for the past three nights, in bed by 10 or 11 and awake at 5

but it will probably be ruined this weekend by @quasi valley's stream

[void void]

kenny stream? 👀

Like... posting your nation's flag randomly in a Discord server for Minecraft Server Jar Mod? Just why?

nwm flag disappeared bc of chat

yay

[viral hornet]

yes

kenny is a FAMOUS streamer now

[mental meadow]

Minecraft server jar mod

[viral hornet]

so he has a stream schedule

https://i.imgur.com/9crkBfX.png

[mental meadow]

kneny uwu

[void void]

minecraft server jar mod

[mental meadow]

Camm did u see my epic meme video

[void void]

What is the best way to name PaperMC?

[void void]

oh hey, that's new

Is there a better way to say then "mc server jar mod"?

[viral hornet]

😮

I did not

pls link

[mental meadow]

#gifs-and-memes

[void void]

#gifs-and-memes

[mental meadow]

ending is a bit loud

[void void]

a bit

Oh, you guys are making inside jokes

[mental meadow]

it really isnt for me lol

[void void]

Let's watch it then

[viral hornet]

@warm anchor can you explain yourself

[void void]

Oh

Eternity server

I heard 1.18 had an extreme network issue

Eternity opened a server with that issue lol

TIL IntellIJ lets you change the project icon

I'm literally invisible in this server then

[mossy vessel]

Glad to hear camm

[void void]

Let's only come here when I have bugs and problems

[plucky sparrow]

Just got done watching Money Heist’s last eps

[void void]

bye

[plucky sparrow]

Am crying

[limber knot]

haha

he's crying

[plucky sparrow]

Shut up webhook

[limber knot]

shut up weak god

boben >

[plucky sparrow]

I can’t bother talking to a webhook

[viscid wedge]

🇧🇷

[limber knot]

fite me on irc, biche

[void void]

bruh

[mental meadow]

no

bra

not bru

[marble lark]

yes

[void void]

bra

[marble lark]

wat

[limber knot]

aurora are you telling us you're not wearing a bra?

[mental meadow]

I'm at home why would I

wtf

[marble lark]

that escalated quickly

[limber knot]

imagine having booba 😔

[marble lark]

booba

yes

[mental meadow]

i actually have like a years worth of estrogen pills here that I'm going to donate

[left swift]

haha naomi is banned

[limber knot]

donate to me? pog?

[mental meadow]

mh

[marble lark]

what are those for lel

[mental meadow]

sending pills to germany via a packagesounds fun, sending to netherlands sounds also fun

[left swift]

estrogen

[limber knot]

yes

[marble lark]

well

[viscid wedge]

girl mode

[marble lark]

no shit

[limber knot]

just hand deliver to me at papercon 🧠

[left swift]

just fax them to naomi

[viscid wedge]

Faxed pills

[void void]

Why sometimes you people become a "bot"?

[mental meadow]

irc webhook

[viscid wedge]

How's your organic chemistry Naomi?

[marble lark]

/tp aurorasmiles MrsHerobrine

[void void]

You weren't a bot before

[marble lark]

done

she got banned from Discord

for a while

[limber knot]

see it as a tempban

a suspension, if you will

[viral hornet]

quick, ban her from irc

[plucky sparrow]

I see this as ban evasion

[viral hornet]

BAN EVASION

[plucky sparrow]

Should get banned from irc as well

No more Naomi

[viscid wedge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen_(medication)

If you were serious

[marble lark]

.kill MrsHerobrine

dunne

[limber knot]

reaches out and punches right through MrsHerobrine's chest.

i'm using irc

not discord

no reason to ban me B)

[viral hornet]

B)

[limber knot]

hello camm how are you this saturday

[magic mesa]

Hey naomi I got chunk loading to work

[viral hornet]

i m good thank you

still waking up

[marble lark]

aight night y'all idk how I'm still awake

[spiral robin]

@viral hornet

[viral hornet]

aber 🥺

[plucky sparrow]

Using irc to talk in a discord server because discord banned you

[spiral robin]

😻

[plucky sparrow]

Pretty sketchy

I say perma ban

[limber knot]

not my fault the channel's bridged to discord

[spiral robin]

my favourite aussie @viral hornet

[limber knot]

why does that burrito pleading emoji look like a dick

it just does

[wide chasm]

You see what you want to see 😉

[void void]

There is no #adorable-birbs channel so I'll post here

[viral hornet]

wtf sicko

[plucky sparrow]

what dicks have you seen

[viral hornet]

it's a pleading burrito

[left swift]

naomi looks at burrito dicks

[limber knot]

what dicks have you seen

my own

duh

[spiral robin]

,

[viral hornet]

interesting

[spiral robin]

ok naomi

[plucky sparrow]

I personally haven’t seen a dick wrapped with tinfoil

Not that I want to

[limber knot]

ok dap

[viral hornet]

hello good morning @waxen panther why is there no tickets rewrite stream this morning to wake up to? ?

?

?

[spiral robin]

he is out searching far and wide for a wife

to no avail it seems . . . . ;...

[viral hornet]

I am his wife

[left swift]

brocc too busy looking for billie eilish pfp

[limber knot]

brocc too busy looking for good billie eilish songs

[left swift]

bad habits

[waxen panther]

watching 2 films this evening !

might do a short one in a mini ye

Minute *

[viral hornet]

"films"

🥺

[waxen panther]

👉👈

[viral hornet]

Watching your pictures

🥺

[viscid wedge]

might be searching for a bit

[coarse lily]

Hi Brocc

[viscid wedge]

I never listened to her 2021 album, is it any good

[limber knot]

dont listen to her

but know people that do

[tropic flame]

i was gonna say "do listen to her" until i realized that wasn't an order

[viscid wedge]

I play a fair bit of everything when it comes to music

But mostly metal

[limber knot]

i mean i listened to 6 suicidal slushwave albums from the same artist with a friend

was p good ngl

[viscid wedge]

#❗-1-18-experimental

[limber knot]

just by looking at the album covers you can tell it's edgy https://begottensuicide.bandcamp.com/

[spiral robin]

ok

[vernal moth]

Tens of thousands of servers already use paper 1.18

[plucky sparrow]

that sounds like a lot of servers

[limber knot]

it is

[viscid wedge]

server deez nuts

[limber knot]

what

oh

[waxen panther]

HEYYY

[limber knot]

broccolai (rewriter of tickets)

[waxen panther]

fact

never heard something so true

[limber knot]

wow

naomi speaking facts??? how.

[void void]

very cool

9/10 i feel like ive been abducted by aliens and am being vivisected in a nightclub 👍

[worn ember]

begone

[foggy veldt]

Is it night time for anyone yet

I’ve been waiting all day to send this

[void void]

home along on a fridey 😔

[left swift]

[limber knot]

no rehearsal due to covid

so can't play final countdown

sadgers

[worn ember]

just count down alone

[limber knot]

no

it's a part

not the entire score

[golden gust]

Awwwwoooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGslweDOihs

[limber knot]

the entire percussion section makes it their mission to hit cymbals as hard as they can when playing that song though xd

[warm anchor]

[limber knot]

hello etern

[warm anchor]

Hi naom

[daring dune]

1.18 is so laggy 😢

jk

[limber knot]

should use dripleaf, allows you to get >20 tps

🧠

amirite @void void

[viscid wedge]

I've never actually tried Minestom, how involved is setting it up for something basic like a queue or lobby?

No gameplay needed

[stiff wadi]

We have paper, paperclip, paperweight...

What we really need is a shredder.

[left swift]

newspaper says the guy who got new variant of covid in Minnesota got it from an anime convention in new york

[viscid wedge]

Yep

[left swift]

weebs are spreading covid

lock them up

[stiff wadi]

Test to Release program except someone took all the tests

[left swift]

kenny what's the build progress on the weeb nuke

[maiden hearth]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCL-20048

Look at this, they straight up labelled not being able to easily switch between Microsoft accounts in the new launcher as working as intended. I'm not angry, I'm sad and disappointed.

[viscid wedge]

Use a third party launcher

[golden gust]

I mean, they're right

[maiden hearth]

I will but I shouldn't have to

[maiden hearth]

I guess that they are in their own right to decide what is working as intended and what is not, that doesn't mean that I can't say that I don't think its working as it should

[golden gust]

Correct

and that's why they said that people can (and probably should) submit a feature request, not a bug report

[maiden hearth]

Yes and I will!

[vernal moth]

A missing feature isn't a bug

[maiden hearth]

Except removing a feature that always has been working fine is kind of strange

[golden gust]

strange, but not a bug

[maiden hearth]

Sure

[spiral robin]

whoever commented that it should be "easy to add it back" because it was "there before" is such a clown

if it was really that easy they would do it, that person has no idea the technical side of it that there is lmaooooo

[maiden hearth]

Lmao not everyone is a programmer

[spiral robin]

i dont know the technical side, not saying i do. im just saying if a developer of a piece of software says something isnt easy to reimplement, maybe listen to them

[topaz mortar]

So I'm basically not affected as a non Windows user?

[maiden hearth]

Except when they lock you out at the end of the deadline?

[tropic flame]

they did not state they were going to discontinue the previous launcher

both are still getting updates

[void void]

Aikar where are you ı waiting 3 years why update your flags :)

[maiden hearth]

Probably out somewhere eating steak

[tropic flame]

anyways

one word

MultiMC.

[potent panther]

wait more than 20 tps is possible

[tropic flame]

MultiMC probably still supports Windows XP and Vista, which is absolutely based in my opinion

mojang terminated support for those together with the java-based launcher

[viscid wedge]

If Qt5 supports XP, then it probably does

[acoustic granite]

PM me. I have extra hosting space.

[maiden hearth]

Also multimc is opensource

[tropic flame]

i read someone here saying the new launcher uses CEF? that's probably the reason why they dropped support (they claimed it was because of the Mojang -> Microsoft migration, but... come on, you can totally implement that in java too lol)

[maiden hearth]

And opensource is lit

[tropic flame]

but still

didn't really need to, just don't use CEF

[tropic flame]

yes

[potent panther]

What pronouns do i use for Kaguya

[topaz mortar]

So you're talking about the initial addition of new MS accounts?
Switching already added accounts didn't change.

Or do you mean another problem with it, that isn't displayed in the issue?

[limber knot]

yannick!!!

hello

[maiden hearth]

In the old launcher you could switch between multiple ms accounts like you could with Mojang accounts. In the new launcher you need to switch using the Xbox or store selector and it will impact more than just the mc launcher.

[potent panther]

What pronouns do I use for @crystal lily?

[maiden hearth]

Bot

[potent panther]

pronouns for a bot?

[limber knot]

they.

[potent panther]

ok

[limber knot]

gender unknown

= they

[tropic flame]

amogus bot

[limber knot]

oh shit it got moved into a discussion and has an updoot https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/12711

whoops embeds

[topaz mortar]

So the dropdown works only with one Mojang and one MS account?
https://youtu.be/qw70c1OCdwk?t=71

Otherwise you get the MS overlay when you want to switch between two MS account?

[vernal moth]

They don't need an update

[void void]

okey

[limber knot]

they need an update if java completely overhauls g1gc

[void void]

ı love this community thx for all

[limber knot]

which i doubt they will

[tropic flame]

at most they'll just introduce new GCs

didn't krusic have a blog post about minecraft with ZGC?

https://krusic22.com/2020/03/25/higher-performance-crafting-using-jdk11-and-zgc/

[limber knot]

but still, g1 is better for minecraft

[tropic flame]

yes

[maiden hearth]

No, you can't switch between different ms accounts within the launcher. You need to use the store/xbox selector.

[viscid wedge]

ZGC benefits are more situational than G1

Same with Shenandoah

[maiden hearth]

Literally all comments in this video complain about what I'm talking about

[vernal moth]

G1GC saw massive improvements this and last year

[maiden hearth]

It's definitely the best for vertical scaled Java applications

Also cheers, I assume you're probably drunk right now

[ashen cliff]

Oh no.

[void void]

maaan

this obfuscation

its the worst ive seen

[ashen cliff]

I kinda have to redo that testing with new versions of Java. Since that went to 💩 after all the changes that happened.

[maiden hearth]

LMAO good luck omfg

[void void]

:///////////////

[cosmic raft]

she/her :p

[potent panther]

thanks

[cosmic raft]

https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Kaguya_Ōtsutsuki

[void void]

bo/t

[maiden hearth]

ro/bot

[daring dune]

you have big brain

[maiden hearth]

That sounds like a good plan regardless of covid

[plucky bone]

If a staff member sees this, could I be contacted in DMs? I don't understand why I was kicked and was told to no longer discuss it here. So.. yeah, last message about this. Sorry about any harm caused.

[left swift]

[brazen barn]

Looking for some opinions:

If I've been running a vanilla snapshot server, would there be anything significant to be gained by starting a new world when updating the server to paper 1.18?

[unkempt drift]

well you get the new terrain generation everywhere instead of just new chunks

[golden gust]

There was some snapshots where you won't get biome blending

some snapshots which won't even upgrade

Really boils down to what snapshots you where using, but, mojang recommends not using the snapshots if you wanna upgrade

[brazen barn]

We've been updating our version as the snapshots came out

so we're right there before 1.18

[marsh charm]

woo time to try out 1.18 😎 starting a new server so don't have any conversion issues but we'll see if there are any bad worldgen paper bugs that mean we'll have to reset again later ( 🙏 hope not)

[brazen barn]

iirc I moved us over to the experimental pre-releases too but honestly too sick to recall rn

[marsh charm]

yeah partly broken isn't really a big deal, the only bad thing would be if it meant we needed to reset again later (cause current paper builds messed up the worldgen somehow)

[golden gust]

really boils down to what all you ran, if you ran them prior to the world -'ves regen stuff, you've lost that in any chunks that where loaded, probably

but, idk

the world itself should be fine outside of maybe missing down there

but, do note for that future that mojang explictly advises against running snapshots if you wanna upgrade

Mojang even worked on a mechanism to prevent you from upgrading

[brazen barn]

That seems...odd.

[golden gust]

so, I wouldn't be surprised if they used that more in the future

[brazen barn]

Let people take the risk of breaking their shit if they want

[golden gust]

Easier said than done

Shamefully when you're a company with a product which a lot of people use, you can have huge massive banners, "if you use this, you won't be able to upgrade!"

[brazen barn]

It's not like this is enterprise software where they're on the hook for support if something breaks

[golden gust]

and, evvvery time, there is always a batch of people who failed to read, did it anyways, and have now complained that the very thing they where warned against happened

[brazen barn]

That's when you just throw out a canned response of "you disregarded yada yadda and broke things of your own yadda yadda"

[golden gust]

issue is that it still floods peoples emails, mojang still gets the flack for it, etc, etc

people can still go out of the way to try to upgrade

just gotta open level.dat into an nbt editor and change the Series name

[marsh charm]

I decided to leave most of the stuff at the defaults again but not sure if i"m gonna regret that immediately if there's no item stack combining or something. Mostly it seems like paper overrides defaults that are bad

[golden gust]

item merging thing is spigot increasing the vanilla radius

change it to 0.5 for the default, I think it was

[marsh charm]

it looked like even for weird spigot settings paper overrides some of the bad settings

[brazen barn]

I'll probably just pitch it to my players as "We can upgrade our current world to 1.18 but be aware that it could pose a risk to the integrity of the world. Things might get corrupted. Further, new version features won't be present until you generate new terrain." and just leave it up to them.

[orchid jackal]

is spigot in general unstable or is it just paper?

[warm anchor]

All are unstable. I like spigot putting “stable” on their build name

[ripe sphinx]

if it's 1.18, it should be considered unstable

[severe schooner]

Very responsible

[limber knot]

managed to setup github actions correctly weee

[ripe sphinx]

only the best from md_5 😛

[void void]

it doesn't support 1.18

yet

[marsh charm]

I'll try leaving settings default with the suggested flags basically. I mean it's only 5-10 of us playing on an otherwise idle virtually-no-plugins (essentialsx, permissions) i9-9900K ,what can go wrong??? (somehow this always goes wrong)

[limber knot]

update it, smh noah

[severe schooner]

Does anyone else think its cute to see people logging in and out of their sever and wished to see more about what they did when bored?

[golden gust]

I mean, the defaults are not recommended values

[severe schooner]

What options are there

[marsh charm]

I always have to fight github actions for like 20 commits

[void void]

WAIT til 1.18 is stable

[golden gust]

The defaults from our side are often a comprimise towards tryna gain performance without impacting vanilla too much

[void void]

dont simp for your players

[marsh charm]

where do I find recommended values? I looked at https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/ and the first several I googled there were paper issues saying "don't set this" with the implication it hurts performance

[golden gust]

Don't mention

We don't have recommended values

[crystal lily]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[golden gust]

is basically the community recommended optimization guide, but, these are NOT our recommendations, it's 100% on you as a server owner to understand what stuff does and the implications of it

[brazen barn]

I find it interesting that default != recommended

[golden gust]

I mean

I recommend using a smaller max save chunks per tick

[limber knot]

@marsh charm this is why you make a repository specifically for testing github actions workflows

[golden gust]

But, reducing that too low means that you'll have chunks not saving until the server stops or they unload

[marsh charm]

if you squash it then it never happened 😎 (don't force commit on your users this is a joke)

[golden gust]

Everything is a balance, it's pretty easy for somebody to tune their individual server to their own comprimise between performance and vanilla than we can

[brazen barn]

I haven't run paper in like a year but what sorts of configs are there that change vanilla behavior in a way that people would give a single iota of a shit about?

Isn't there a "if X items are near each other, combine into a stack" setting? That increases performance iirc and certainly nobody would care about it diverging from vanilla behavior, right?

[left swift]

paper ruins dupe features bad paper

[brazen barn]

duping is a bug.