we have afternoon 😄
#general
worn crest
warm anchor
But it’s morning here!!
wispy blade
hi neiteyere
warm anchor
void void
Great job Github
untold copper
@ashen cliff ok so uh my new mobo has an 8pin power for cpu
but my old one had only 4 pins
but i do have a psu that has 2 4 pin connectors
so i use 4 pin like before or all the 8 pins?
ashen cliff
4 pins is fine.
untold copper
what will happen if i put all 8 pins?
ashen cliff
Nothing.
twin lagoon
just put 8 pin in
untold copper
are you sure 4 pins is fine 👀
ashen cliff
That's a no. 
untold copper
?
untold copper
Better not be the PCIe one!
oh no they're 2 separate 4 pins on the same wire
warm anchor
dont worry if 4 pin doenst work you wont be able to boot
ashen cliff
Ok good.
warm anchor
ashen cliff
Some boards can actually boot without it to yell at you.
Same for some Nvidia cards.
warm anchor
if it has enough of pin for 8 it will be able to take it
ashen cliff
Yeah, that's correct.
warm anchor
cant you just
untold copper
kthnxbai
twin lagoon
@warm anchor 
untold copper
i HaVe A mAnUaL
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
untold copper
it says nothing about the pins tho smh
golden gust
I mean, the 2x2 is designed to slip together to another 2x2 for a reason
golden gust
untold copper
what the fuck is this 4 pin connector from my front panel
thonk
oh audio probably
wait then why is it 4 pin
isnt supposed to be like a thicc 8 pin - 1 connector
golden gust
Because there is a variant which uses 4 pins
and a variant which uses 8
it's much cheaper and easier, knowing that you're gonna use one or the other, to just bundle two 4s which can clip together to make an 8, rather than having a 4 AND an 8
golden gust
you either have a 4 port or a 8 port, pretty much
untold copper
what could go wrong
warm anchor
._.
golden gust
that's the CPU connector, which he's looking at
warm anchor
it will only fit if its right way
warm anchor
dont force it in
warm anchor
LOL
golden gust
REmember when you where 3
untold copper
dont force it in
thats what she said
golden gust
Look at the pins on the connector...
untold copper
smh
golden gust
Also, the clippy part goes onto the side where there is a nib in the connector which holds onto the clippy thing
untold copper
looking at the wrong connector
nvm
found the right one
JAUD1 op
wait hold up
i dont think i have a front panel audio
golden gust
if you have cables coming from the case for them...
golden gust
untold copper
i was about to put a 4 pin cable from my psu into my motherboard
wonder how that would have went
untold copper
lol
golden gust
The good news is that most stuff is key'd so that you'd literally need to go full.. er... to break something
warm anchor
knowing snoopa hes gonna forget to plugin SSD drive or something just watch.
untold copper
mostly useful
golden gust
I'm not saying you'd forget your head if it wasn't attached to your neck, but... it's a good job it is
untold copper
forgot back fan as well
nova plume
idiot
untold copper
ye
how does one install a fan again
the blades facing in or out
want it to pull air out
untold copper
GG
solid siren
have u guys experience nametag not working with eco enchants?
untold copper
First boot: no video, i think because i put hdmi in motherboard
boot 2: no video
re
not even a beep
worn ember
might wanna follow a tutorial my dude
make sure your ram is pushed in properly and your power cables are connected
warm anchor
Inb4 first beep was the death beep 
worn ember
i always let my dad put my pc's together, if it breaks its not my fault
untold copper
lol
golden gust
see the manual, it will generally give you a list of stuff to check
worn ember
void void
Where did you plug your cable into?
untold copper
gpu
golden gust
and is the GPU fully plugged in? e.g. if it needs an extra power cable, etc
golden gust
I mean
warm anchor
Are you sure snoopa
golden gust
I look at amazon and it has a connector?
warm anchor
There’s apparently two version
golden gust
warm anchor
One without locked OC
warm anchor
Lol
grizzled kiln
yo im runnin a paper server, is there a way to get the player collision off
its really annoying
void void
yes
void void
enable-player-collisions in paper.yml
untold copper
it detects the HDD but uh its not booting
void void
Does it say anything?
Afaik it might take a few mins if you have a new hardware configuration
might be outdated or completely wrong knowledge though
potent panther
did you install windows?
untold copper
yeah its my old hard disk lol
twin lagoon
if you have a UEFI windows installation you likely need to re-create the bootloader EFI entry
untold copper
idk if i have that
its a brand new mobo why doesnt it work out of the box
this is weird smh
"please select boot device: enter setup"
twin lagoon
probably efi entry missing
twin lagoon
your point is
warm anchor
Michale tech support vs average customer
ashen cliff
EFI boot bro.
void void
Michale tech support vs average customer <:krappa:739867712854950009>
Michale best tech supprot
potent panther
yeah its my old hard disk lol
so now the hard disk is in new motherboard?
untold copper
yes
potent panther
but did you wipe out the disk?
untold copper
no
potent panther
so like copy all important data of disk and then reinstall windows and put the important data back
if a disk changes motherboard it usually has to reinstall windows
untold copper
its not booting from a windows usb as well
potent panther
then what they said of the uefi try it
untold copper
ye
@twin lagoon i googled how to do the EFI thing but i cant even get past the bios
wispy blade
I look at amazon and it has a connector?
1050ti is fine running off of pci power
untold copper
i have a zotac one
wispy blade
yes
frank otter
does that run power through the pcle slot
wispy blade
yes
potent fossil
opened discord today and get advert for discord the movie 
frank otter
opened discord today and get advert for discord the movie <:ree:2929745853667082...
what the
they made this thing into a movie
untold copper
so did you try using a different sata port on your mobo
ye
potent fossil
"movie"
< there was an ugly link here bc fuck google but simple saved the day >
fucking google
i hate them so much
void void
fucking google
Duckduckgo results are pretty good these days
and the bangs are really useful for lazy people like me
twin lagoon
i used duckduckgo for 2 months but ended up using the google bang 90% of the time
and this was like last year
potent fossil
i used ddg for a good 6 months before going back to google again
because its results, while getting better, and fucking trash
see: any use of the .g command in here, which i coded to use ddg
often just gets something absolutely stupid
wide chasm
I'd try DDG, but for some reason I can't open it on my desktop, which automatically redirects me to http://duckduckgo.com/dreamfactory/dist/index.html. I tried different browsers, disabling all extensions, a different DNS, but nothing worked.
potent fossil
twin lagoon
the motherboard is probably fine
potent fossil
have you gone into bios and checked if the sata parts are literally just turned off
void void
I'd try DDG, but for some reason I can't open it on my desktop, which automatica...
okay that's really weird
untold copper
then what is NOT fine
potent fossil
like light switch click click click
twin lagoon
your efi boot entries
untold copper
have you gone into bios and checked if the sata parts are literally just turned ...
it detects the hDD
potent fossil
oh yea michael's right
untold copper
your efi boot entries
from WHERE do i fix those if i cant get past bios
potent fossil
as usual
twin lagoon
you plug in a windows 10 usb stick if you're not able to figure out the EFI Shell
untold copper
akerjhbgakejg
twin lagoon
@potent fossil 
potent fossil
<@!698668938661331045> <:happeepoheart:814643964082520064>
twin lagoon
what do you want to do with that
twin lagoon
your efi boot entries aren't stored on your HDD
untold copper
well fuc-
twin lagoon
the entire reason that it's not booting, is because they're not stored on your HDD
potent fossil
you may be able to just put in a windows recov stick (use working PC to create usb) to old PC, boot into that, then run startup repair
it may just figure it out
untold copper
will i have to reinstall windows anyways if i do the efi thing .-.
potent fossil
no
twin lagoon
no
potent fossil
k
twin lagoon
@quasi valley
potent fossil
sounds like a personal problem
quasi valley
out of stock and busy, can't look up anything 
untold copper
ur a problem simple
untold copper
out of stock and busy, can't look up anything <:smolHands:814619111321108510>
unpossible
potent fossil
i mean, not wrong
untold copper
no
potent fossil
its paired with linear algebra for me, but im sure that's not everywhere
void void
out of stock and busy, can't look up anything <:smolHands:814619111321108510>
gonna need a substitute for kenny
untold copper
dont even-
void void
day #🇽🇩 part 18 of trying to get abs: You are the dancing queen
Young and sweet
Only seventeen
Dancing queen
Feel the beat from the tambourine, oh yeah
You can dance
You can jive
Having the time of your life
potent fossil
am just need a hint
how is this problem here: https://i.imgur.com/EAl8qDR.png
different from this one that I solved before: https://i.imgur.com/1JWCHMm.png
implicit?
are we talking implicit differentation?
void void
dont even-
too late
potent fossil
plz thx, lov
potent fossil
oh wait...i kinda remember this...vaguely
untold copper
oh wait...i kinda remember this...vaguely
literally me during every exam
wispy blade
what's the IRC channel for waterfall
potent fossil
#waterfall -> help chan
#waterfall-dev -> dev
untold copper
imagine using irc
limber knotBOT
:(
limber knotBOT
how dare you
winter inlet
Hey, just wanted to share these words with you! (It's a german vid, but there are english subtitles) https://youtu.be/BpdQPLEN05k
mossy vessel
Ok!
ashen cliff
Actually forgot I knew German.
untold copper
@twin lagoon is this what you mean by fixing efi thing
https://support.novastor.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011403653-How-to-repair-the-EFI-bootloader-on-a-GPT-HDD-for-Windows-7-8-8-1-and-10#h_560026881391540598122418
twin lagoon
i'd just boot into the installer usb and run startup repair
there's a chance it'll fix it
ashen cliff
Why don't you just switch to legacy boot mode?
untold copper
i'd just boot into the installer usb and run startup repair
but if that doesn't work i can do this right
ashen cliff
Thank you standard, very cool: https://posili.me/i/2021-08-17_19-15-09.png
limber knotBOT
finally, i set it up correctly
left swift
Nice
void void
what IRC client are you using?
true canyon
thelounge is the coolest client! 😎
limber knotBOT
usin quassel cuz cba to set up weechat
void void
thelounge is the coolest client! 😎
^
limber knotBOT
personal preference
ashen cliff
MFW I wanted to setup TheLounge on my VPS, but the IP has a bogus ban from 2009.
limber knotBOT
LOL
void void
MFW I wanted to setup TheLounge on my VPS, but the IP has a bogus ban from 2009....
ban from which network?
limber knotBOT
happens
ashen cliff
Not banned from it directly, just from a ban list they use.
And the list legit says UNDER 3 REPORTS IS UNRELIABLE.
Only 1 report.
true canyon
Those lists tend to have ways to appeal or request removal or whatever.
What list is it on?
wispy blade
love it when my laptop disconnects from the wifi randomly
untold copper
boys i think its probably worth mentioning that the motherboard came with a CD
true canyon
Wow, a certificate of deposit? Cool. When does it mature?
true canyon
true canyon
How many istings?
wispy blade
fair enough
ashen cliff
Wanted to join like 5 channels to "spy" on, because people there need years to reply. But then I just threw a bunch of emails at them to solve my problems.
grizzled kiln
yo im hosting a server on my pc, how do i allocate it more memory, its 2gb by default
limber knotBOT
grizzled kiln
thank you !
potent fossil
am just need a hint
how is this problem here: https://i.imgur.com/EAl8qDR.png
...
so we got any math geniuses here
ashen cliff
Sorry bro. Forgot about math instantly after getting my school papers.
grizzled kiln
is this the file that starts the server ?
warm anchor
I think so
grizzled kiln
welp mine is .bat, how'd i make it jar yikes
plucky sparrow
...
warm anchor
@limpid comet ^
golden gust
it's asking for the name of the jar file
not the "file that starts the server", that's irrelevant here
warm anchor
End user experience 
plucky sparrow
online bat to jar converter
grizzled kiln
where tf do i find this file
golden gust
it's the name of the jar file
You download a jar from the website and name it whatever you wanna name it
paper.jar, server.jar, whatever, doesn't matter so long as it matches what you put in there
plucky sparrow
In the root folder of your server, there's a file that ends in .jar, that is the server file
grizzled kiln
paper.jar, server.jar, whatever, doesn't matter so long as it matches what you p...
aaah that makes sense
yeah gotcha
im new into that dont judge me lmao
warm anchor
No it’s ok
I pinged the creator of the site so there can be better customer experience
wispy blade
i will PR UX etern dw
plucky sparrow
online bat to jar converter
@warm anchor this is what i meant
plucky sparrow
there's converters for EVERYTHING
limpid comet
I believe we discussed this even, eternity
grizzled kiln
<@!177150983258767360> this is what i meant
bat formats arent supported though, checked a few of these
plucky sparrow
png to mp3
warm anchor
grizzled kiln
yeet
warm anchor
Idk how one would go about it to make it clear for complete newbie though
wispy blade
i mean, it is pretty clear to me
warm anchor
Well nioma may be dum but she ain’t new to this
shell vine
<@!177150983258767360> this is what i meant
gonna write some plugins in bat
grizzled kiln
what do i do with the generated code though
wispy blade
you save it in a .bat file
warm anchor
Replace it in your bat file
grizzled kiln
oh okay
wispy blade
download button when @limpid comet
limpid comet
@warm anchor @wispy blade https://github.com/startmc/startmc.sh/issues
this weekend
warm anchor
wispy blade
alright will do
time to clone repo and re-add ptero button i guess
TBH, v1's UI was less intimidating
wispy blade
How.
ashen cliff
I'm still looking for someone who knows and can somehow explain it to me.
wispy blade
google can.
ashen cliff
It can't.
Even looking at someones code sample, I have no idea how they got the values.
wispy blade
@ashen cliff you're in the startmc.sh source code!
ashen cliff
Good thing I actually got credit.
wispy blade
ofc bro!
ashen cliff
I love how someone took my flags and reposted them, LEGIT didn't even remove the 2 dupe flags I left.
rugged sonnet
ashen cliff
Go back to sleep.
worn ember
Its not worth it to wake up anymore bro 
it's all downhill from here
formal turret
🥲
worn ember
Love it when courses use difficult words to explain something trivial 🧻
ashen cliff
So just like Pi is wrong?
ashen cliff
Good.
worn ember
i was like "hmm this isnt too bad, not too much terms to learn"
is scrolled halway across the page
ashen cliff
I remember correcting a teacher with normal terms, dude didn't even get mad.
Give me a 10 and told me to never come again.
worn ember
lmao
native wolf
<@!219443401974611970> you're in the startmc.sh source code!
"Something something about krusic zgc pog pog pog"
Lmaoo
ashen cliff
lavish compass
Speaking about ZGC, does anyone here have a nice ZGC flags?
worn crest
why not using aikar ones 🤔
brave radish
ZGC is often detrimental to the performance of servers; unless you have GC lag shown in Timings, don't try it; just use Aikar's G1 flags
worn ember
I think ZCM is more detrimental
worn crest
never heard determental wait i must translate it
brave radish
.joke
limber knotBOT
DEDs existence
wide chasm
"really bad"
waxen panther
Speaking about ZGC, does anyone here have a nice ZGC flags?
krusic has some notes on them on his site
worn ember
at least i have my own command
waxen panther
but for the most part you dont really need many flags with zgc like you do with g1
golden gust
number of flags is irrelevant
worn ember
more is better
ashen cliff
Number of tests is relevant.
wispy blade
krusic just doesn't have the time to tune 😔
worn ember
bruh what do you do all day then
ashen cliff
I tuned my stuff. Don't want to tune for 🗑️ VPS setups.
mossy vessel
Ram is cheap, just use epsilon and don't bother with gc
ashen cliff
Like BRUH, I'm sorry, but if you want to use ZGC and can't get a relatively new machine: 🚪.
worn ember
just store everything in the stack
lavish compass
Well like we have 128GB of ram, but we have other things to run too
ashen cliff
Epic. Epsilon it is.
worn ember
kapsalon ❤️
native wolf
ZGC is nice but you need a good CPU
cosmic raft
my flags are the best though
-Xms300G
-Xmx300G
-XX:+UseMiniDiggerGC
-XX:+LockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100000000
-XX:+EnableExplicitGC
-XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=900000
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=500000
-XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=800000
-XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=350000
-XX:+NeverPreTouch
-XX:+ParallelRefProcDisabled
-XX:😛=😛
MiniDiggerGC pog
wispy blade
MINIDIGGERGC LMAO
ashen cliff
ZGC is nice but you need a good CPU
Not really, you just need good memory bandwidth.
wispy blade
1600MHz good enough? 
native wolf
Isn't ZGC highly CPU dependant tho?
plucky sparrow
Yeah you need 200% cpu at least
lavish compass
we sure have spare cpu
wispy blade
not enough 😔
lavish compass
how
wispy blade
need 200% CPU
wispy blade
lavish compass
32 logical processors
ashen cliff
What about single thread performance?
plucky sparrow
cunning raft
.leaf
limber knotBOT
plucky sparrow
minecrack
worn ember
left swift
I want 32 illogical processors
brave radish
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289587909051416579/550924756111589397/Pee...
lol there are 130 results for that link
potent fossil
I need a math genius oml plz dont make me go to some random math discord
left swift
Call stef
cosmic raft
plucky sparrow
@heady spear you stenk
left swift
Oh no leaf is a mod now
potent fossil
cunning raft
left swift
reef flare
tuinity is apparently getting merged with paper?
twin lagoon
correct
potent fossil
lul
wispy blade
what? since when?
lean kiln
now
reef flare
now
mossy vessel
So I can no longer threat bans on leaf, sad day
cunning raft
16 seconds
wispy blade
cunning raft
wispy blade
:o
left swift
Leaf is gonna bring all the furries here now 
cunning raft
frank otter
what's tuinity
left swift
Furry paper
worn ember
Leaf is gonna bring all the furries here now <:sadgebusiness:804419115023335494>
epic battles of history: weeb vs furry
worn ember
frank otter
.. what?
left swift
Wait does that mean farty comes back to papermc general?
crystal compass
didn't you hear? he is larty now
wispy blade
woah
toxic bone
Leaf is gonna bring all the furries here now <:sadgebusiness:804419115023335494>
LETS GOOOOO
wispy blade
@frank otter tuinity was paper but with big brain patches by Spottedleaf that couldn't be merged into paper
potent panther
so tuinity > paper?
lavish compass
What about single thread performance? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
3.4 GHz base 4.9 GHz boost
reef flare
yup
ashen cliff
Weak.
potent panther
but on performance is better tuinity or paper
lavish compass
What would you count as "not weak"?
twin nimbus
yeee, tuinity brains + paper brains = good.
fossil patio
so tuinity > paper?
always has been astronaut meme
frank otter
<@!692312512900890644> tuinity was paper but with big brain patches by Spottedle...
OK ty
toxic bone
i will not switch to tuinity
ashen cliff
What would you count as "not weak"?
5Ghz+ constant. HT off and locked clocks.
toxic bone
now*
frank otter
Tuinity seems to be switching to you
toxic bone
I will now switch to tuinity
frank otter
oh
fossil patio
tunity kernel for 1.12??
hearty spear
Or like have zen 3 with better IPC @ashen cliff
potent panther
performance is tuinity still good?
worn crest
i'll stay with paper 🙂
twin nimbus
I thought I saw DevWav typing in #announcements seems like he is preparing his own announcement for the rest of the paper users.
wispy finch
basically paper gets an upgrade now.
stiff whale
hello tuinity patches in upstream
little frost
starlight backport for 1.8 beta??? 😳
golden gust
stef jelly now
fossil patio
i will fucking ban you
tunity 2?
void void
i will fucking ban you
@static badge sorry but needed
twin nimbus
I will now switch to tuinity
no need to switch lol. once tuinity gets properly merged into paper, just update your paper version and boom. u will have it xD
static badge
holy jesus
mossy vessel
thanks cat, glad to see someone is still somewhat of sane
brave radish
The Tuinity Discord has now become "yay Starlight in Paper"
toxic bone
tuinity discord is a furry server?
frank otter
What's starlight
stiff whale
i wonder how much of a performance uplift paper will get from this merge
ashen cliff
Or like have zen 3 with better IPC <@219443401974611970>
That little extra IPC won't help you, if you have to lower the clocks to get all cores stable at one frequency.
lavish compass
5Ghz+ constant. HT off and locked clocks.
are there any processors that does that atm
without heavy OCs
potent panther
are there any processors that does that atm
intel when it's on turbo but it last for short amount of time
lavish compass
constant
potent panther
ok
void void
leaf deserves to be in core
ashen cliff
11900k can do 5Ghz all core without issues.
potent panther
11900k can do 5Ghz all core without issues.
on turbo
ashen cliff
Aka. set it to 5Ghz and disable boost.
potent panther
what amount of cooling do you need?
hearty spear
But Minecraft is pretty much single threaded so like you don't need all cores to go that fast when the helper cores don't do crap lol @ashen cliff
ashen cliff
Also Inter Cryo cooler still exists.
twin lagoon
what the fuck is this chat
ashen cliff
But Minecraft is pretty much single threaded so like you don't need all cores to...
What happens when your bad scheduler throws your load on a non boosted core?
twin lagoon
is this yatopia general
stiff whale
nobody uses single core machines anymore
hearty spear
Also like my server uses 87watts at idle with a 5900x
stiff whale
is this yatopia general
no?
twin lagoon
well it seems like it
ashen cliff
Or better yet another memory domain.
potent panther
is this yatopia general
hmmm idk
cunning raft
The word correctly carries a lot of weight
ashen cliff
Under full load it's like 170w
run AVX.
mossy vessel
is this yatopia general
Looking on the quality, yes 
cunning raft
We'd not like to be the second yatopia
stiff whale
well yeah obviously
cunning raft
Or third I guess
stiff whale
neither would we
hearty spear
Imagine if all the forks could contribute to a giant multithreading project
worn ember
if you dont know what ur talking about, just dont plz
potent panther
Imagine if all the forks could contribute to a giant multithreading project
2b2t with like 10.000 players if multithreading
little frost
regions for days
ancient bolt
paper aspires to some day be as fast as yatopia
stiff whale
if you dont know what ur talking about, just dont plz
what
golden gust
I mean, for multithreading, you'd need to toss out the entire existing ecosystem and start from fresh
void void
removed/AsyNc-AkArIn-MuLtItHrEaDeD-EnTiTiEs.patch
golden gust
Bearing in mind that devs are still flipping shit over components, bahahahahaaa...
fossil patio
bukkit would basically have 90% of it deprecated/removed if you added multithreading
stiff whale
right.
it was never written for multithreading & thread safety anyways
nor was minecraft
hearty spear
Imagine in mojang rewrote the entire game
placid plaza
LONG LIVE TUINITY
potent panther
Imagine in mojang rewrote the entire game
1.18
hearty spear
Instead of like 1.18 it would be like 2.0
potent panther
LONG LIVE TUINITY
yeah
ashen cliff
Imagine in mojang rewrote the entire game
You mean Bedrock?
worn ember
just play bedrock if you want mc v2 /s
potent panther
Imagine in mojang rewrote the entire game
that's bedrock edition and all the other editions except java
stiff whale
we dont talk about bedrock.
golden gust
I mean, it's more the "look at literally every single project which tried to clean-room the vanilla server"
stiff whale
afaik even bedrock is singlethreaded
hearty spear
Well that's bug rock
void void
Imagine in mojang rewrote the entire game
I heard some news about NMS not being obfuscated anymore hmmm
golden gust
I don't know a single one which is close to vanilla parity
hearty spear
Idk it seemed to be fairly multithreaded to me
stiff whale
thats because spigot uses mojang mappings now
void void
afaik even bedrock is singlethreaded
Pretty sure it isn't, which is why redstone is so unpredictable there
because too much async
might be wrong tho
stiff whale
i have no idea
potent panther
might be wrong tho
is more like because the bugs
worn ember
stability or multithreaded, pick one
hearty spear
They tried to copy java completely in another language lol
stiff whale
bedrock was never meant to behave like java edition behavior 1:1
it was just made to have minecraft on more platforms
hearty spear
Maybe if someone could redo how redstone worked
potent panther
it was just made to have minecraft on more platforms
and more moneys
hearty spear
Got to get that DLC
stiff whale
would help if we had the tools to modify the game
potent panther
stability or multithreaded, pick one
both
worn ember
well bedrock has the biggest playbase by far, so it was a good call from them
stiff whale
but we dont, its C++, unless we have source code or debugging symbols, we have nothing
potent panther
but we dont, its C++, unless we have source code or debugging symbols, we have n...
it's closed source
worn crest
well bedrock has the biggest playbase by far, so it was a good call from them
sadly 😦 java edition is the truth
stiff whale
it's closed source
so is java
void void
Congrats kenny and leaf!
hearty spear
Well to get both you would have to start from scratch
brave radish
inb4 leaf presses merge button on every PR
stiff whale
the only difference is we have mappings for java
brave radish
and source code?
brave radish
Bedrock doesn't decompile nearly as easily especially as they started stripping the debug info from the binaries
peak ginkgo
wtf thats crazy
potent panther
what if paper makes it's own minecraft minecraft paper edition
stiff whale
Bedrock doesn't decompile nearly as easily especially as they started stripping ...
i was about to say we got java mappings at the cost of bedrock debug symbols
ashen cliff
wtf thats crazy
You found out who asked?
cunning raft
lmfao
void void
wasn't kenny a maintainer before? lmao
stiff whale
what if paper makes it's own minecraft minecraft paper edition
this was already tried, dont remember if purpur or tuinity
hearty spear
What are they concerned someone is gunna clone the game?
brave radish
what if paper makes it's own minecraft minecraft paper edition
Hytale: Paper Edition
hearty spear
Because all the clones suck
warm anchor
@static badge maximum furry power!
hearty spear
And Microsoft has enough lawyers to sue the shit out of everyone
brave radish
this was already tried, dont remember if purpur or tuinity
Purpur had Purpur client which was a Fabric mod to fix a bug with players being positioned incorrectly on rideables if that's what you mean
stiff whale
oh
potent panther
this was already tried, dont remember if purpur or tuinity
hytale would have worked if they had finished it but nah a few more years
warm anchor
@quasi valley yay upside down man
stiff whale
wasnt kenny always a contributor here?
plucky sparrow
eta for HytalePaper???!?¿¿S=()!11
magic ice
but we dont, its C++, unless we have source code or debugging symbols, we have n...
debug symbols are present in the BDS Linux binary
void void
eta for HytalePaper???!?¿¿S=()!11
don't really rly on that game be sure Minecraft won't be like ok hytale come and get my place, especially when they r under a big company like microsoft
stiff whale
debug symbols are present in the BDS Linux binary
are they?
magic ice
They were removed for a short period but recently reintroduced in 1.17.10
stiff whale
huh
wispy blade
@limpid comet check my pr? 🥺
limpid comet
when i have time
brave radish
They were removed for a short period but recently reintroduced in 1.17.10
ohh I didn't hear they came back
stiff whale
i remember hearing bedrock lost their pdb's when we got java debugging symbols
havent heard anything after that
magic ice
The symbols were removed from the client in 2019 which was around that time
magic ice
Minor setback but most people in the community updated their tooling to utilize BDS instead which still had the symbols
stiff whale
because all they needed to mod was the server, no?
lavish compass
I mean, for multithreading, you'd need to toss out the entire existing ecosystem...
yeah, something like minestom
magic ice
More to extract protocol information than anything
magic ice
The modding scene with the Bedrock Dedicated Server is very small and hardly anyone does anything with it
PocketMine, yeah, still around today 😄
stiff whale
yeah i know its still around
brave radish
yeah, something like minestom
Glowstone did it partially with a thread for each dimension while still using the Bukkit API
stiff whale
i used to run it back before BE
stiff whale
Glowstone did it partially with a thread for each dimension while still using th...
now that makes sense
kinda
if you have a lot of dimensions that is
stiff whale
that doesnt sound too crazy
stiff whale
i mean
wispy blade
why would you want to sync the dimensions though?
then you're better off using just 1 thread for everything
hearty spear
Well run them each as separate servers
stiff whale
it makes sense considering you can have more then the vanilla dims in bukkit (read: multiworld plugins)
brave radish
well this conversation is devolving rapidly
stiff whale
i mean, it could work
but only if you have multiworld plugins and a large number of worlds
wispy blade
which most people don't
stiff whale
yeah
hearty spear
Even for the stock game
People exploring in the nether or running a mob farm somewhere
stiff whale
the main question is, is it worth it
wispy blade
which most people don't
because they see that it's more efficient to just spin up extra servers
cunning raft
You can't multi thread anything without breaking API
stiff whale
well yeah
hearty spear
Well as of right now is there any way to have separate servers for the 3 stock dimensions?
And sync inventory and chat
stiff whale
not really
wispy blade
proxy + some plugins
stiff whale
i mean you can but its not worth it
fossil patio
Well as of right now is there any way to have separate servers for the 3 stock d...
yeah i've set this up for a few different servers. it's pretty decent, but you have to have a mostly custom setup, or stateless plugins
stiff whale
since its still gonna be processing the unused dimensions
wispy blade
@vegtebal overlord
hearty spear
Still imagine a server with a few hundred players
At that point you have single thread limitations
wispy blade
running close to 100 players on a single instance 👀
left swift
Running 100 players on my instance 
warm anchor
You can easily do up to 200 but compromise is big
ashen cliff
Could do 400 if you gave me enough money.
stiff whale
depends on your pick of software and hardware
sleek ivy
Is Tuinity/Starlight being moved to PaperMC/Starlight?
warm anchor
70 is about the limit for default config
hearty spear
I have no idea what my 5900x could do
stiff whale
70 is about the limit for default config
depending on the hardware
warm anchor
Is Tuinity/Starlight being moved to PaperMC/Starlight?
Yes
hearty spear
Lol
stiff whale
my production server has 5 mob farms at spawn
hearty spear
What hardware?
left swift
5
hearty spear
I run containers as less performance loss
left swift
Ayo brain
stiff whale
What hardware?
e3-1270 v6 on the host
stiff whale
render?
hearty spear
Or do you cheat like I do and have a no tick render past a certain point.
ashen cliff
Utility client.
stiff whale
server render distance is set to 64
stiff whale
Utility client. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
yes its useful
ashen cliff
The max view distance on the server is 32 btw.
hearty spear
Well as of right now I'm not gunna upgrade mine for a while
stiff whale
The max view distance on the server is 32 btw.
vanilla server*
hearty spear
Because power consumption is a factor
stiff whale
novel horizon
pog spottedleaf ❤️
void void
Used my magic hax to comment anyway
hearty spear
And like a 5900x should be good enough
ashen cliff
Should just get set to 32 silently.
void void
How did you comment
I dunno, I started writing the comments before the pr was locked
warm anchor
Pls don’t use that as chatting platform
Use discord 
People got notification on that thing
wispy blade
yes
void void
Can you edit lol
nope
hearty spear
Has anyone ever tried running Minecraft on an M1?
void void
when you outpaper the paper
void void
Has anyone ever tried running Minecraft on an M1?
Friend of mine has, worked just fine
foggy silo
PAPER
hearty spear
Well passmark says that an M1 has the best single thread
stiff whale
im assuming they did a replace all
wispy blade
not a good idea
void void
Well passmark says that an M1 has the best single thread
he only tried the client though
wispy blade
essentialsx spawn
jovial plover
Don't mind spelling mobile is bad
vague lagoon
essx spawn doesnt handle protection
left swift
Server.properties
left swift
I guess you're fucked then huh
wispy blade
worldguard
jovial plover
Dm me a link plez
warm anchor
Utilize worldguard with EsSEX spawn is best option
jovial plover
Essex spawn link in DMS pls
jovial plover
Like no one has heard of Essex spawn
void void
.g essentialsx
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://essentialsx.net/
void void
not that hard
jovial plover
...
golden gust
EssX = EssentialsX
warm anchor
My bad I just like to call it EsSEX coz it’s funnie
wispy blade
learning to google is one thing, but straight up refusing to google...
potent panther
is tuinity still superior on really small smps?
slim junco
A smart decision all around, excited that this happened. About time 😀
lament patio
is tuinity still superior on really small smps?
Yes
jovial plover
Is there a ".g worldguard"?
vague lagoon
.g worldguard
jovial plover
.g worldguard
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/worldguard
(DiscordBot) https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/worldguard
void void
.g = google
jovial plover
Ah I hate bukkit
vague lagoon
??
ashen cliff
Things I hope I never have to do again:
https://posili.me/i/2021-08-17_22-31-33.png
wispy blade
it's made by the worldedit people?
void void
Things from bukkit don't like to work for me
that's weird, since spigot and paper use the bukkit api
no reason it shouldn't work
wispy blade
if you're not gonna use it, hf making your own spawn protection plugin
potent panther
Yes
tuinity will merge in to paper soon #announcements so i'll stick with paper for now
wispy blade
the only errors you need to look out for are exceptions with their stacktraces.
jovial plover
Okie
worn crest
tuinity will merge in to paper soon <#492517675680006144> so i'll stick with pa...
"stick with paper" i mean if you use tuinity why its than bad 🤔 faster updates i mean
jovial plover
.g Clearlagg
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/clearlagg.68271/
wispy blade
dont use that
vernal moth
Ever
jovial plover
Why
twin lagoon
it's unnecessary
jovial plover
I've seen it in use before
stiff whale
clearlagg causes more lag then it reduces
jovial plover
LOL
wispy blade
its supposed to be called CauseLagg then
potent panther
its supposed to be called CauseLagg then
i was about to say something similar
void void
its supposed to be called CauseLagg then
gotta make that a think for april fools :P
vernal moth
it's unnecessary
More like, actively harmful
warm anchor
Shamefully most budget host still actively suggest it
warm anchor
If you google how to install clear lag
twin lagoon
plenty of servers still use it
idle plover
void void
probably more than a couple of hours lol
wispy blade
i think it'll take about a month for the new stuff to get fully integrated
warm anchor
Yes
wispy blade
that's why i said fully :)
void void
Leaf said tonight
plot twist: Leaf lives in alaska and has like 66 days of night
Leaf never sleeps
potent panther
@wispy blade the amogus rehab worked
wispy blade
nice
cosmic raft
I got the best cd collection
golden gust
cd?
cosmic raft
golden gust
Is that some obsolete media?
cosmic raft
The Sims 3, Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade
wispy blade
not music cds? wtf
warm anchor
Kashi is old but not that old
cosmic raft
I have music cds too
vernal moth
Sims 3 best Sims
cosmic raft
and vinyl records
fringe pike
jovial plover
its supposed to be called CauseLagg then
Xd
void void
Looks like I really hate making issues :P
jovial plover
.g EasyRTP 1.17
limber knotBOT
cosmic raft
you know lights cat?
golden gust
Yea
wispy blade
still need Yuragi or hyakkei on CD
cosmic raft
gimme a sec then cat
mossy vessel
I still somewhere have a CD to install 1 copy of office 2007!
golden gust
Not really followed her too much over the past few years but used to play songs off one of her albums daily
wispy blade
office 2007 oh god
warm anchor
This is hot
warm anchor
I still somewhere have a CD to install 1 copy of office 2007!
That box is older than a whole @untold copper
void void
My dad still has windows 98 install cds I think
left swift
I just know lights from deadmau5
golden gust
😮
wispy blade
wtf, pinging cat?
cosmic raft
am allowed
wispy blade
fair enough
thorny totem
waxen panther
@ electroniccat[no-ping]
wispy blade
LOL
left swift
wispy blade
made me audibly laugh god dammit
crystal compass
Lmao
worn crest
weird looking of a students book
wispy blade
well, it motivates you to learn interfaces at least
my java class never even touched classes
toxic bone
sims 3 is the best sims game
wispy blade
my java class never even touched classes <:kekw:674093681963302933>
tbf, it was supposed to be baby's first programming class
ashen cliff
MFW I have 300 IQ and actually figured out how to read that standard correctly.
plucky sparrow
What book is that
ashen cliff
What book is that
Head First Java, 2nd Edition by Kathy Sierra, Bert Bates.
plucky sparrow
Looks interesting ngl
Might get it
Oh shit it’s old as fuck
I thought it would be from like 2015
void void
I know its malware but I wanna see what vunerability they are exploitng
true canyon
It may not be malware. It could easily be a fake dating site that's all bots and is pay-to-message.
brave radish
who says it's malware? prob just "type you password"
true canyon
(still don't click it though)
void void
its using google scripts
brave radish
so? that doesn't mean anything
void void
the link is scripts.google.com/blahblah/exec
maybe its gonna run code on my pc or something
plucky sparrow
that’s not how things work
plucky sparrow
it won’t
plucky sparrow
such a thing could be used for way more important people
void void
ok im gonna click the link then (in incognito mode to be safe 
)
plucky sparrow
i doubt they care about some random that feels like clicking a fake dating website url
brave radish
ok im gonna click the link then (in incognito mode to be safe <:yee_fuckin_haw:5...
just don't
void void
oh it just redirects me to a fake dating site
brave radish
noooo, really?