well apparently theres somethjing called uber lux
#general
shell vine
potent fossil
Yeah that
They have a different name for it in different places
Black, comfort, lux
Etc
worn ember
go to the moon
heady spear
if i was rich i would just go to space
worn ember
if you go to a different planet, arent you the alien 
warm anchor
if i was rich i would just go to space
Did you ask if one way ticket is cheaper 
heady spear
wtf staying in dubai is very cheap
shell vine
take a camel
potent fossil
I mean, if you have the cash, there are special apps for that purpose that you cannot get on the app store
🤣
Usually get them from your clubs and shit
Or you have a private valet that you just text to figure it out
When you got the cash anything can be arranged
twin lagoon
the tickets are only €1200 each, great deal
give it a week or two and it'll probably tank in terms of pricing
warm anchor
Can you even party in Dubai
warm anchor
I thought fun was illegal in UAE
potent fossil
Sgp tho 
potent fossil
I mean yea, Dubai is like desert and then some super rich shit in a very dense area, it's pretty small. You can go and waste a shitload of money and kiss the prince's feet but you can definitely get better experiences elsewhere lmao.
heady spear
idk I am just booooooooooooooooooooored
twin lagoon
can't use grindr in UAE though
potent fossil
Lol
heady spear
I mean yea, Dubai is like desert and then some super rich shit in a very dense a...
ok but they actually let tourists in
potent fossil
Like I said, anything can be arranged if you have the money
Covid restrictions are mere suggestions when you have the buying power
void void
can't use grindr in UAE though
Guess that's what happens when you mix church and government
Two things that should be seperate
heady spear
ye ye whatever secularism is great and all
wtf norway is blocking värmland again
@minor badge norge suger 💩
potent fossil
government: you cant enter. we're in a pandemic.
rich boi: slides check
government: sir...it's too dangerous...
rich boi: takes check back and slides new one
government: erm...you have to quarantine...
rich boi: takes check back and slides new one
government: hmm... well are you vaccinated ??
rich boi: takes check back and slides new one
government: when would u like to travel
heady spear
ig im staying in sweden until september smh
are there are any new games I can waste a couple of weeks on?
worn ember
worn ember
are there are any new games I can waste a couple of weeks on?
Minecraft
twin lagoon
teardown is an interesting one
worn ember
Or you can spend a lifetime on dota
twin lagoon
said literally no one ever
void void
Haven't really had time to play it yet, but black mesa looks fun
The fan-made HL1 remake
minor badge
<@!181470050039889920> norge suger 💩
just go through another län
twin lagoon
ur a län
minor badge
no värmland is
worn ember
said literally no one ever
I feel like the TI winners would object 
my college used to organize lanparties 
havent been able to go to one cuz of covid tho
worthy geode
I feel like the TI winners would object <:kek:761666041872646216>
would be nice if I got that kind of money for playing shitty in low tier as well 
sharp inlet
i'm trying to create a server for my homies and i bought a vds, pregen'd a world but it is too laggy even after paper optimizations. i have paste of timings, can someone help me with it?
worn ember
would be nice if I got that kind of money for playing shitty in low tier as well...
it costs money for me
since i have dota plus hah
worthy geode
I had it for like one month, I wasn't really convinced
worn ember
i'm trying to create a server for my homies and i bought a vds, pregen'd a world...
post in #paper-help
worn ember
I had it for like one month, I wasn't really convinced
the level progress and challenges are cool, i also like the voicelines
but other than that, yea not too much to it
minor badge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQL1FRkoNM
thumbnail is a banana & curry pizza, so should be clear what we do in sweden 
shell vine
worn ember
No wonder the norwegians hate you
minor badge
I am a norwegian though :D
minor badge
:p
worn ember
@warm anchordid you win?
worn ember
didnt you play a match of dota?
worn crest
so only restarting and then should be debian 11 installed 😛
burnt sail
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to modify XP rates for certain action such as smelting etc?
worn ember
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to modify XP rates for certain action s...
hook into the respective events and im pretty sure you can modify the xp drops
void void
https://twitter.com/FakeRyanGosling/status/1426297592426631168?s=19
Gotta love all the AWS products that sound like internal codename that never got renamed
merry talon
makes sense as they're still only understood by the people who built them
void void
cunning raft
They tried really hard to find images that fit that meme and still couldn't do it eh
nimble depot
HV and a sad lightbulb. RIP
It's basically saying: I don't know what happened help me
worn ember
https://twitter.com/OuroborosHQ/status/1426316565473939456 relevant
mc community projects be like
nimble depot
Unlike my APC Line-R which has been in service for over 10 years and I bought it used
warm anchor
Unlike my APC Line-R which has been in service for over 10 years and I bought it...
I hope you swap batteries
Or it’s a fire waiting to happen
Or a failure
nimble depot
I hope you swap batteries
It's not a UPS
warm anchor
Ohhh
nimble depot
It's just a stabilizator
warm anchor
I just had to took out some forgotten one at my work 
The batteries had been expending and took me a while to knock them out of casing
magic river
Probably just has some caps to buffer for when there are dips
ashen cliff
Very simple, but mostly useless when actually needed. 
warm anchor
RIP APC
nimble depot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb-BY4qztk
yeah mine looks exactly like that
the thing is the Line-R never had a problem for all the time I had it
paper pawn
Hello
for some reason mobs are spawning like crazy in my server
is there to limit their spawn?
like if there amount of mobs in chunk it wont spawn more
warm anchor
Bukkit.yml monster
But without seeing a timing, there could be millions other cause to that
paper pawn
Yeah sure i could send my timings
gimme a sec
i mean 3 min
There
thats my bukkit config spawn-limits:
monsters: 40
animals: 5
water-animals: 10
water-ambient: 10
ambient: 5
chunk-gc:
period-in-ticks: 600
ticks-per:
animal-spawns: 1
monster-spawns: 1
water-spawns: 1
water-ambient-spawns: 1
ambient-spawns: 1
warm anchor
That’s looks normal for what setting you have
Try turn per-player-mob-spawn to true in paper.yml @paper pawn and see
paper pawn
got it
worn ember
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=5a3154c151964a1882408ff9ac3e0dd8
lol void tp is taking up 70% of your tick
worn ember
i bet its doing the web request on the main thread
classic
also why does a voidtp plugin have an update checker, those things havent changed since like 1.3.2
little frost
the best part is when their shitty self-hosted update checker expires which causes the plugin to error on version check and not launch
seen that before
peak ginkgo
That's actually hilarious
warm anchor
@lean kiln wait isn’t this the issue we had before?
waxen panther
it's jmp's patch lol
warm anchor
Oh
grand pewter
very nice
warm anchor
Lmao
grand pewter
link pls
worn ember
Spigot drama 🍿
lean kiln
watch that patch end up in spigot with md5 as author
grand pewter
well on the flip side it is fun to point out if people are wrong
did you sign his cla jmp
idk if that means he could just yoink your patch
worn ember
There's a saying about this...
"Answer your own question wrong and people will point out your mistakes as opposed to ignoring your question"
warm anchor
@grand pewter https://youtu.be/jfAkBd4kMHQ
Just watch it. I was laughing so fucking hard
lean kiln
did you sign his cla jmp
no
i don’t doubt he would “discover the same fix” after seeing my patch regardless
grand pewter
<@208016650757341196> https://youtu.be/jfAkBd4kMHQ
LMAO get half of what you mine
warm anchor
Then fact that those ore is just phasing to the top lol
warm anchor
Sulu wouldn’t be caught it until he shows his F3 as him 30 million blocks out
Like do people just casually live at 30 million block out??
worn ember
Yes
worthy geode
At least Java does not completely die at those coordinates, like Bedrock where you can't even move, all rendering is completely stretched and a lot of other things happen 
grand pewter
did you know you can also load chunks past 30 million and it will just lock up the server
i discovered that one too on accident
grand creek
worn ember
Getting banned for reporting a bug sadge cx
limpid comet
how do you quote the price of a minigame
im stuck
time * rate still applies i guess
worthy geode
At least 3,50
green vortex
Yo whats that website to get jvm args again?
golden gust
.flags
brave radish
.startmc
limber knotBOT
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golden gust
.startmc
limber knotBOT
green vortex
ty :D
brave radish
.wa time in uk
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 2:34:19 am BST | Sunday, August 15, 2021 - https://is.gd/ek2GSD
brave radish
ah
brave radish
well Hypickle just did it to me without me clicking on anything somehow
brave radish
I mean it still showed the prompt ofc
golden gust
I'm not aware of anything in the game which would allow them to do that o.O
golden gust
Leaf
shell vine
golden gust
My feelings
brave radish
but it's not like I clicked in chat. It also coulda just been the client being dumb with cancelling joining where your go back to the main menu and it turns out you're actually in the game and it shows the "loading world" screen 5 seconds later
golden gust
Well, if I actually had some, you know, that probs woulda hurt
static badge
you need more than 3 braincells to feel anything
what's the problem
i'm guessing mojang's code is trash
wat
no
limpid comet
eternity is the best weeb
magic river
static badge
i would hope eternity isn't the best weeb
limpid comet
do you have any insightful criticisms to offer
brave radish
actually wait lemme look in a Chromium-based browser
brave radish
k well I think the boxes are... too boxy
warm anchor
it's better than v1 
limpid comet
i'm definitely no graphic designer
if you have any design improvements to PR i'm all for it
i think it's improved in usability quite a bit
brave radish
well I'm not either lol
limpid comet
actually, that reminds me
Glare wanted me to make an API endpoint so bots could do it
brave radish
Last time I messed with CSS I... well quit using CSS
warm anchor
site loads faster though
limpid comet
i just don't have an eye for aesthetic things
warm anchor
without any framework eww
limpid comet
it uses svelte
warm anchor
I does the job so it's a good UI 
limpid comet
you can run the site with javascript though, svelte doesn't require a runtime
it's basically vue with less features, it's my favourite
magic river
I prefer solid if you're going to drop the react/vue/angular ecosystems
brave radish
also it should probs default to Windows as that's what most ppl use
limpid comet
never heard of it
magic river
limpid comet
also it should probs default to Windows as that's what most ppl use
even better - some user agent investigation should do the trick
magic river
I've only ever done little toy things with either though
Just like a couple projects to try them out
brave radish
even better - some user agent investigation should do the trick
yeah that works
magic river
svelte is a PITA because I use TypeScript and it needs a custom compiler
magic river
I'm always on Windows 😛
limpid comet
https://github.com/solidjs/solid
i'll check this out though, thanks
magic river
My browser still leaks that I'm a Firefox user because I don't want people to think they've all gone away but I'm less fingerprintable if I'm the latest Firefox ESR on Windows
limpid comet
i picked svelte because i think a whole fat JS bundle for a site like startmc.sh is unnecessary and it was the only one i found that offered an okay dev experience
magic river
There is no way JS engines use the C stdlib implementation of transcendental functions
magic river
Trying to search it, that's a hard one to Google
limpid comet
anything good on ${streamingService}
brave radish
Eureka on Amazon (free with Prime)
magic river
I could see it telling you what browser or even what version of the browser (or version range anyway) but having it tell you what OS seems too silly to be true
limpid comet
https://www.amazon.ca/Eureka-Complete-Exclusive-Colin-Ferguson/dp/B007USBGSA did i get the wrong thing
brave radish
https://www.amazon.ca/Eureka-Complete-Exclusive-Colin-Ferguson/dp/B007USBGSA did...
nope except at least in the US you can stream it
the "science" in that show makes zero sense but the theme song is good
golden gust
different OSes tend to treat maths differently and so there are generally accuracy issues
You can use some stupid things to guess the OS
e.g. even the clock accuracies are different across OSes
warm anchor
i need some show recommendations
EVA IS ALL OUT ON AMAZON PRINE
evangelion 1~3 OVA modern version 
@limpid comet
magic river
Fuck
For performance reasons, Firefox currently doesn't use the cross-platform fdlibm for Math.cos, Math.sin, and Math.tan (using it only for other, more esoteric functions like Math.cosh and Math.sinh), and instead chooses to use the local, platform-supplied math library
golden gust
ooof
magic river
No, Chromium uses fdlibm for everything
sly bloom
e
brave radish
yeah man Firefox is also losing 50 million users since
Nah; studies show 90% of Chromium users are really Firefox users in disguise (trust me)
magic river
Chromium/V8 uses fdlibm for these functions. It has constant Javascript math (and WebAudio) fingerprints as a consequence.
limpid comet
evangelion 1~3 OVA modern version <a:Hype:646409553377886228> <@!738346084769988...
oh fuck
this is huge
i will get amazon prime tonight maybe if paypal clears my money fast enough
magic river
It's not just nicer versions of the original anime, it's pretty different
magic river
It's like if you took the original story, did a director's cut of it, then expanded on it
warm anchor
coz I am watching it when I have nothing to do because I want to be able to fully enjoy it
limpid comet
i haven't watched any of the other shit past the og show, end of evangelion, and the first of the new movies
static badge
for performance reasons we are using javascript
magic river
I haven't watched any of the rebuilds, was waiting for all of them to come out first
limpid comet
perfect
magic river
But I got spoiled by the descriptions of them
warm anchor
idk who reminded me
magic river
Me
limpid comet
is there a secret eva fanclub
magic river
🚀 🌕
warm anchor
coz I will fight everyone if they are discuss about characters
magic river
Got that song stuck in your head now
magic river
I'm not doing anything with OS detection, that was other people
Ooh, that leak is fixed in Firefox 93
math and webaudio
brave radish
@limpid comet
magic river
I think it was ZCM and bleu?
magic river
It was just annoying for people trying to pretend floating point is precise before people realized what a problem fingerprinting was
Then no one wanted to do it because apparently MSVCRT has really efficient implementations so it was a slowdown on Windows
golden gust
Microsoft actually do a pretty damned good job in some areas
too bad about, you know...
The rest of the OS...
static badge
WHERE'S MY C11 MICROSOFT
keen delta
I am looking for a discord server where I can ask for help with making plugins. I used to be in one called codevision but I can't find the invite for it. Anybody know a good one?
brave radish
magic river
WHERE'S MY C11 MICROSOFT
Get ffmpeg to require C11 things and they'll implement them
left swift
scenic dew
After the Encryption Response Packet is sent and encryption is enabled, what data is sent to the client after that? In other words, how much data? Everywhere I've seen says that it should be 16 bytes (The AES block size of 128 bits) but my Minecraft client only reacts after I send 64 bytes. Am I missing something?
golden gust
!kick @void void This is not a referral code sharing site
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked Bombay#7525 (This is not a referral code sharing site) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
magic river
Huh, so UE5 has a software renderer
It just runs on your GPU
To some extent this has been true since shaders have existed but they seem to only be using the texture units and the shading cores while reimplementing the rest of the GPU
fallen oracle
I've been playing with the EA builds, it's pretty cool.
magic river
They don't use the ROPs or built in depth testing
It's 3x faster than when they tried to implement their rendering using the hardware
All because they wanted the ability to render pixel sized triangles efficiently
static badge
wat
warm anchor
magic river
Virtualized geometry
You can drop film quality meshes in to the engine and it'll figure out how to draw 1,000,000 of them at 144 fps
Ah, clever, but for big triangles the HW is still faster so they switch between the two on a chunk-by-chunk basis
static badge
i see
one of these days i need to start dicking around with rendering, i barely understand it
magic river
Chunk, cluster, whatever you want to call it
static badge
"bunch of shit in some specified area"
magic river
a 3D (usually biased to the camera) tile
So the chunks are smaller near the camera
Although their chunking is even more complicated than that to avoid some issues with cracks in LOD edges
oh hehe they still do SW depth test even for big triangles because it made things simpler
static badge
i don't understand these rendering terms
magic river
Oh they found a use for the hardware depth test after all, they use it to cull unused materials
For the texturing and such they draw a full screen quad for each material in the scene but since all of that was handled on the GPU they didn't know what materials were actually visible, would be expensive to have a bunch of draw calls for materials that don't have anything to do
They write the material ID in to the depth buffer then when drawing the full screen quad for that material they set the Z to the material ID and if there is nothing to draw the GPU depth testing hardware will quickly skip over it
First game to use that technique was actually Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, neat
And then of course they add tiling in to the mix to let them quickly skip whole sections of the screen before even attempting a depth test
In the end this lets them dump a billion triangles in to a scene and have the engine cull it down to 25 million every frame
Their asset format assumes DirectStorage (or the console equivalents)
Specifically they assume there will be hardware accelerated decompression they should optimize their format for
potent fossil
kind of like the computer making a relief every frame 
magic river
Apparently the demo they made couldn't do 4K, it was ~1400p then upscaled
potent fossil
"hey computer take this assload of material and then carve away everything that isn't important so only the good stuff is left"
magic river
Not sure if that was on PS5 or some unspecified PC GPU
magic river
Probably PS5 since I think that was the focus of their demo
magic river
Their Lumen demo was 25.90GB of raw data, 7.67GB in their in-memory compressed format (optimized for GPU access), and 4.61GB on disk
static badge
all i can think about is how many more harddrives i need to buy per game
these sizes are actually getting out of control
magic river
Nanite can't render translucent things or animated things though
Those are all old school renders where you have to count triangles
Oh, and it kind of sucks at grass, leaves, hair, etc
Lots of tiny simple things next to each other
static badge
seems like it might have gone too far in one direction?
magic river
Their goal (which pretty much everything except those things I just mentioned reaches) was to have rendering performance scale with output resolution, you don't have to care about mesh complexity or texture size
The engine takes care of that stuff for you
What part of the last hour of my liveblogging this paper made you think that was for you 😛
static badge
the sentence above it
pls look at timings
u wrote bukkit rite u can help
p
l
s
magic river
Amusingly they couldn't use ray tracing for shadows (what current RT hardware is supposed to be good for) because the BVH structure you have to build for that takes too much memory when you have this many triangles
The RT hardware isn't flexible enough to let you define custom tree layouts
static badge
what kind of tree would even work at a billion triangles lol
magic river
Oh neat the guy I was going to reference to explain chunks/clusters/etc apparently works at Epic now and did their shadow implementation for UE5
I imagine it'd have to be an implicit tree
I think that'd technically be a heap?
static badge
sounds about right
magic river
I mostly understand the rendering techniques to make basically infinite lights run smoothly, this stuff for basically infinite texture and mesh sizes is way beyond me
I know a lot of the words and have a general idea of what they're doing but there is no way I could do anything like it on my own
true canyon
I just want to take a moment to celebrate that I got some code to the point of compiling again after weeks of being full of errors! 🥳
magic river
true canyon
Now, it does immediately throw fun new exceptions on startup, but hey that's progress.
warm anchor
Those are very interesting @magic river
I was lurking but it’s coz it’s not a topic I can chip in on
toxic bone
☎️
golden gust
99 bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code, patch one out, push it around, 107 bugs in the code
potent fossil
Waifu2x do be hella murdering my poor 1080 atm
god ffmpeg is sexy, mpdecimate filter 😍
thorny totem
potent fossil
ok holy shit 
google colab free tesla gpu instance to upscale vid for me
4500 frames done in the time it took my poor 1080 to do like 800
tesla t4 doing work
limpid comet
does anyone have recommendations for email service providers? i'm mainly looking for something with a fast webmail client and something I can use with multiple domains and accounts (ideally all in one mailbox, however that is implemented)
i've been looking into fastmail & mxroute but figured i'd ask here if anyone else had suggestions
especially if i can do a catch all email like *@kaden.sh
potent fossil
i used to just use gmail and improvmx
can set a wildcard, and it can forward everything to wherever
but multiple domains would be paid
free is only 1 domain
i guess no wildcard anymore but 100 domains w/ 100 aliases for $9/mo
oh wait no 
a wildcard alias counts as only 1 
limpid comet
novel horizon
limpid comet
but thanks simple, i'll look into that as well
potent fossil
i dont even know what that domain is
good god this tesla t4 is absolutely MONCHING this workload
minor badge
I love how gilfoyle fittingly forwards to protonmail
minor badge
i dont even know what that domain is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_(TV_series) https://silicon-valley.fandom.com/wiki/Pied_Piper_(company)
lavish compass
Speaking of mails, how do one make thunderbird look good
wispy blade
GTK
lavish compass
any good themes though
limpid comet
I love how gilfoyle fittingly forwards to protonmail
ikr, love this attention to detail
similar to Silicon valley's own Easter eggs on marketing websites and shit
vernal moth
does anyone have recommendations for email service providers? i'm mainly looking...
mxroute!
limpid comet
They were the ones I've been eyeing the most
Also the most expensive out of the few options I've found
vernal moth
lifetime for 175 isnt expensive 😄
limpid comet
Wish I got their black friday deal when I had the chance
I'm still trying to save up money :p
vernal moth
black friday is coming up in like 10 weeks?
limpid comet
Something like that yea
potent fossil
im v shook atm bc i might run out of space trying to upscale this video, just 10k more frames 
PLZ
limpid comet
i think i might try out fastmail for now since they have a free trial and everything
@vernal moth ever had stability issues/delays with mxroute?
vernal moth
nope
perfect service
they also do a really good job with spam stuff, both ingoing and outgoing
I have 8 domains with idk how many accounts at mxroute 😄
limpid comet
wow, impressive
minor badge
@limpid comet I use mailbox.org; I know they recently changed their pricing & plans, though, so I'm not sure how that works. I'm on their grandfathered 1€/mo/domain plan ^^
limpid comet
damn
vernal moth
check the speed by sending a mail to freenudes@benndorf.dev
limpid comet
their prices are cheap either way
minor badge
seems to be 3€/mo/domain now
it supports catch-all fwiw
"important" aliases such as webmaster & abuse don't take alias slots also
vernal moth
mxroute has the huge advantage that you get unlimited accounts and domains
you only pay for storage basically
but don't use it for marketing emails they will nuke you
they care about nothing more than their ip reputation (which is good!)
void void
check the speed by sending a mail to freenudes@benndorf.dev
interesting choice of email address
minor badge
I want to receive an email from that address ngl
void void
it autoreplies
minor badge
limpid comet
vernal moth
REALLY MINI?!
its literally a hardcoded auto , lol
wispy blade
gg
merry talon
they make you show up as "verified" on mail apps
except for gmail
for some fucking reason
tulip inlet
not on android
void void
This only shows up after clicking on the sender though
frank otter
I should set up a mail server but certificates seem like a pain
I set up my https/tls in some docker and now I can't find where the certificate file is
twin lagoon
^
wispy blade
yeah but you gotta start somewhere, no?
ashen cliff
You usually don't want to start in hell.
ashen cliff
This ain't Touhou bro!
ashen cliff
Spawn in the Nether, now get out.
ashen cliff
Even obsidian and flint n steel in the chests.
golden gust
if you want something to fuck with and don't require that it's online 24/7, it makes sense to screw around and self host
But, if you require deliverability, if losing an email could impact you horrifically, you probs don't wanna self host
wispy blade
yea ik
potent fossil
lol
queen tusk
I said learn OOP
Not learn Java
And to be frank, I don't care what "BingoBofus" on Discord thinks about me
potent fossil
it comes down to where the person is asking, i guess. for example, here in paper is not the place to be learning java, its kinda expected you know at least a little something instead of coming here needing people to shove code down your throat
but also why we bringing drama into paper
go away plz <3
rugged sonnet
this is good advice not dramatic
potent fossil
r/learnprogramming exists
golden gust
That's stupid
ashen cliff
And Debian 11 is out.
golden gust
Nobody is here to teach you java
wispy blade
it comes down to where the person is asking, i guess. for example, here in paper...
cough SuckMyFoot
@ashen cliff installing it right now, bro.
golden gust
There is much material out there for learning java and pretty much any other framework out there
there is much better material out there which can teach you OOP and the foundations and principles behind it which aren't tainted by opinionative biases
ashen cliff
<@!219443401974611970> installing it right now, bro.
Wish me luck bro! https://posili.me/i/2021-08-15_12-44-14.png
wispy blade
gaming!
rugged sonnet
no but people r here to be helpful all im sayin is "learn java" isnt helpful
ashen cliff
And saying "Pay someone to do it for you" is?
golden gust
Us holding your hand is not helpful
rugged sonnet
the context is i asked a legit question and got hit with "learn OOP"
golden gust
Fact is that the majortity of people in these communities are shit programmers
frank otter
is postfix sane enough to work
golden gust
Nobody here also wants to spend their time going over the entire set of concepts around OOP
queen tusk
I'm not here to stir up drama, you just asked a very beginner question and I recommended you to learn OOP
No need to make it a big deal
worn crest
And Debian 11 is out. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
I'm already with it since 13h 
wispy blade
nice
ashen cliff
It's not 13h yet.
rugged sonnet
anyways im getting conflicting info about variable accessibility one article i read says most static variables are declared public but ive always been told that its better to use getters, i was wondering if there is any other reason to use a getter than its fidelity
worn crest
It's not 13h yet. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
since 13 hours, not 1pm
wispy blade
i mean, static is just if you need a single copy
small headache i ran into with a method i was writing
too lazy to fix my method so i just made the variable static
now i understand why the this keyword is epic
ashen cliff
Upgrade 1 successful.
golden gust
Heres the thing
Imagine how much time we'd need to spend teaching everybody asking for "how to java" each day if we didn't aim to try and point people to the vast wealth of material out there
ashen cliff
Imagine how much time we'd need to spend teaching everybody asking for "how to j...
Bro. We could always just redirect them to:
wispy blade
kangarko?
potent fossil
it's just like, what do you want from us? if we shouldn't say learn java, what should we do? become your personal professors?
2nd option aint happening, and you should understand why
rugged sonnet
i mean i thought i had a solid enough background in java to be entitled to ask a specific question here and there but i guess i was wrong
wispy blade
ask google, they'll give you an answer 🧠
potent fossil
you asked a specific question and you got a specific answer
encapsulation
and now you're off on a tangent reacting to someone else's answer
if you don't know what encapsulation is, go study it
rugged sonnet
im not on a tangent
potent fossil
alright
golden gust
I mean, their comment was generally useless af, but, once again, there is much more competent material out there which isn't biased with experience
general gist is that in communties like these, I generally err on that people are shit programmers until they prove otherwise
(at least in regards to teaching and such, many people have half a clue of the concepts or what they're doing and like to "help", because it gives them a warm fuzzy feeling)
rugged sonnet
ok maybe if i frame the question in terms of minecraft it will be better recieved
wispy blade
cat why are you calling me out
golden gust
jus' sayin, jus' sayin
God, I need like a tenor command which is basically just AvE phrases
wispy blade
.joke
limber knotBOT
DEDs existence
worn ember
Have i proven myself as a worthy dev yet?
worn ember
No
golden gust
is where I live
golden gust
oh, yaaay, a new home alone is coming
wispy blade
oh no
golden gust
god, I forgot there was even a 2012 one, never watched it
wispy blade
home alone is a franchise that imo is only funny as a kid
golden gust
It was a good movie, and defo a hit for the nostalgia vibes, but, eer...
wispy blade
money
golden gust
Yea, the original was gold
the 2nd one was okay but defo more of a "hit follower" than anything else
wispy blade
that was the new york one right
potent fossil
the 2nd one is NY
wispy blade
ye
golden gust
I kinda liked the NY one but it wasn't really the same HA I don't think
wispy blade
god i love this image
golden gust
Like, it took the general sorta formula and had some funny moments, but, maybe that's just that it never really had much of the nostalgia vibes
lol
mossy vessel
yummy fish
dim jungle
im not sure if this is the place to ask, but im getting an error about an "Unsupported upgrade request" when trying to use java.net.http.HttpRequest, yet when i try to run it through something like mitmproxy to debug, it works just fine and gives the expected response
golden gust
having "smart" stuff in the middle often creates debugging headings
depends on where exactly you're getting it, screams that you tried to connect to a web socket or something?
dim jungle
the webserver seems to be complaining
but even when i try putting the log level to trace it gives nothing helpful (this isn't actually at trace, but trace just shows when i connect / disconnect)
golden gust
well, what's the web server doing?
golden gust
I mean, 2 second google points to "incomplete uvicorn install"?
dim jungle
is it meant to set this header for a get?
i've tried reinstalling uvicorn, thing is it works if i proxy it, but not through pure java
golden gust
if there is no request body you're sending, yes
Yes, but proxies do dumb things
It's pretty easy for a proxy to hide server impl behavior from you
dim jungle
now to hunt for what's setting the header
just to confirm, i haven't entirely goofed up this request, right? https://mystb.in/DistributorsObjectsRather.java
golden gust
Not used the new API but generally looks fine
worn ember
dim jungle
the headers don't even seem to be set before send is called
golden gust
Well, yea, much of that is sent down the line often
the caller generally doesn't care to specify things like the content length when the library can just read it before it writes it
dim jungle
yeah, just thought I would be an obvious point to check
golden gust
the issue is your server, basically
as said, quick google suggests a bad uvicorn or whatever install
proxy intercepts the connection and manages it a way that the "upgrade" isn't attempted
No idea why it attempts it, not aware of where that is as such, apparently something to do with web sockets but god knows
dim jungle
I'm assuming it's the wacky header
but I guess I'll try some other framework when I get back
gusty swallow
Hello, I’m new here 😁😁 where can I put a question for support because i am kinda stuck rn, thank you 😁
wispy blade
gusty swallow
Ty :))
cursive junco
I have disabled the end world but it is still trying to save raid data? wtf? is this an issue from paper?
[15:12:59 ERROR]: Could not save data net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PersistentRaid@2a0b00d6
java.io.FileNotFoundException: ./World_the_end/DIM1/data/raids_end.dat (No such file or directory)
at java.io.FileOutputStream.open0(Native Method) ~[?:?]
at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(FileOutputStream.java:298) ~[?:?]
at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(FileOutputStream.java:237) ~[?:?]
at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(FileOutputStream.java:187) ~[?:?]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.NBTCompressedStreamTools.a(NBTCompressedStreamTools.java:81) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PersistentBase.a(SourceFile:51) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.WorldPersistentData.a(WorldPersistentData.java:194) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.WorldServer.aj(WorldServer.java:1605) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.WorldServer.saveData(WorldServer.java:1599) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.WorldServer.saveIncrementally(WorldServer.java:1547) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.a(MinecraftServer.java:1333) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.w(MinecraftServer.java:1023) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.lambda$a$0(MinecraftServer.java:179) ~[patched_1.16.5.jar:git-Yatopia-ver/1.16.5-42]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:829) [?:?]
you're not using paper
if the world isn't loaded, the data won't be there for it to even save
vernal moth
Talk to yatopia people
mossy vessel
vernal moth
Yatopia is known to do extremely stupid things
cursive junco
Oh yeah you mean that
Stuck on that stupid build until I will update to java 16
guess I will check again once I update
thanks anyways
warm anchor
tfw 2 months after project retirement, there are still people using it (mean they havent updated in 2 months...)
worn ember
Yatopia is retired? 
vernal moth
Superceded
cursive junco
Yatopia is retired? <:pog:770100523977277510>
yup
cursive junco
that's an extremely outdated version of yatopia 1.16.5 too
yup, an old one still running java 11
twin lagoon
then stop using it
twin lagoon
ok well good luck with your issue
cursive junco
I can't stop using it because I have to update some custom plugins
twin lagoon
wat
wispy blade
wat
cursive junco
once I have everything updated, I will move to latest 1.16.5 build running on java 16
but first I have some stuff to fix, that's why
twin lagoon
then do it
you're already running a stoneage yatopia version so you've been holding that one off for months now
cursive junco
exactly, have ever had an issue strictly related to yatopia? no - until today looks like. Was I lucky? yes
warm anchor
by custom, do you mean abandoned plugin, it's been like 3 months after 1.17
most plugins are already on it
cursive junco
Custom I mean coded by a person I know that I need to slap to bring back at work
twin lagoon
prime example of yatopia's userbase
cursive junco
Thought last build of 1.16.5 was based already on java 16?
twin lagoon
no
ashen cliff
Why would it?
warm anchor
you should always keep yourself updated for less issues regardless of what software you use.
ashen cliff
We didn't make the requirement, Mojang did.
golden gust
.895
cursive junco
Anyways looks like the issue was from multiverse, was keeping the world loaded somehow
Jokes aside, had some troubles irl and couldn't work on the server. I know that latest software is always better 👍 updating is top priority since I am back
And to be honest, I know a lot of people who hated yatopia but that build was extremely lucky with my current setup, that's the only reason I am still using it 😄
Anyways, it's RIP, so time to move on lol
warm anchor
worn ember
https://youtu.be/kgAJntmfdGo ahaha this video is marked as “Identified by the YouTube community to have disturbing content” cuz real life problems are very disturbing 
wispy blade
@waxen panther best brocc
cunning raft
@waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther
waxen panther
@cunning raft
cunning raft
ok
heady spear
Wtf
You’re so wrong
I hate soda butttttttt
Julmust 😍
@waxen panther have you thought about the fact that hear contains the word ear?
wispy blade
@waxen panther have you thought about the fact that hear contains the word ear?
high sail
Россия есть
untold meadow
@waxen panther have you thought about the fact that class names are not normally written in screaming snake case?
heady spear
Lol jk broccolai doesn’t think
quasi valley
true
waxen panther
<@264203519806930944> have you thought about the fact that class names are not n...
SHUT UP
and i have not thought about the word hear before
what does the h stand for .
potent fossil
hello
wispy blade
just 2?
wispy blade
🤔
worn crest
okay?
wispy blade
@mental meadow wtf since when are you porple?
untold copper
the fu-
wispy blade
suits you tbh
void void
Community Manager 👀
wispy blade
to manage people like @waxen panther
mossy vessel
wtf do we have a community manager for
More roles to clog up the tier 
cunning raft
@waxen panther
twin lagoon
we were fine for the past few months i don't see why we need a dedicated community manager
untold copper
excuse me michelle are you implying that aurora is useless
twin lagoon
no aurora is epic
untold copper
epic.
waxen panther
broccolai (community manager)
mossy vessel
Just an unneeded addition 
twin lagoon
exactly
wispy blade
broccolai (community managed)
waxen panther
naomi (10 year old)
wispy blade
10+5 year old :(
untold copper
OH SHI
wispy blade
someone please explain to me why server racks are so expensive 😔
untold copper
TODAY WAS DAY #69 OF TRYING TO GET ABS
twin lagoon
@quasi valley
wispy blade
@quasi valley do mambo no 5 this time
twin lagoon
today was day #69 of trying to get abs
ordered 55 eur worth of spareribs
day went well thank you for asking
untold copper
day #68 of trying to get abs (yesterday): no exercise smh
day #69 (nice) of trying to get abs (today): again no exercise smh
cunning raft
who
untold copper
ordered 55 eur worth of spareribs
i had waffles ok
waxen panther
does this mean you’ve given up
wispy blade
i had oreo cheesecake :D
untold copper
why would i give up-
waxen panther
😄
void void
day #68 of trying to get abs (yesterday): no exercise smh
day #69 (nice) of tryi...
@quasi valley
wispy blade
you're late noah
twin lagoon
@quasi valley
untold copper
damn i rly hope i get abs by day 100
wispy blade
lol, gl
heady spear
@mental meadow ur dope n cute
mental meadow
❤️
wispy blade
wish someone called me dope n cute but i only ever get called cute 😔
untold copper
wish someone called me dope n cute but i only ever get called cute 😔
wish someone called me.
wispy blade
aight what's ur number G
wispy blade
hang on i know something better
untold copper
i have 3 digits in my number lmao
void void
nah just call 248-434-5508 https://twitter.com/MarkRober/status/993280951110193152
Twitter
untold copper
nice.
void void
which is?
wispy blade
Kindertelefoon
void void
ah yes
twin lagoon
vestal jasper
:typing:
twin lagoon
broccolai
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
wispy blade
discord stickers are cringe tbh
heady spear
josh is cringe
wispy blade
no u
vestal jasper
I am
wispy blade
funne
grave rover
formal turret
i made a PR for it but couldn't figure out how to rebase it
void void
discord stickers are cringe tbh
red timber
discord stickers are cringe tbh
mental meadow
red timber
it is
dim jungle
oh, well i figured out my stupid web bug from this morning, my code was silently using http2 which my server didn't support for some reason
scenic dew
On the Protocol Encryption page in the Symmetric Encryption section, there says "Note that the AES cipher is updated continuously, not finished and restarted every packet." I'm new to encryption... aaaaaannnndd I have no idea what that means. Can someone explain?
potent fossil
i left colab to finish working over night, turns out even tho i paid for pro google still keel it 
golden gust
i.e. a new cipher stream isn't created for each packet
turbid oar
Ok so...
We working on the hosting company as a side project atm but right now we are working on a huge server network 🥂
There's your update
potent fossil
Who asked
mossy vessel
I did
mossy vessel
I like be informed about the typical irrelevant crap I read all day long
potent fossil
Wasn't trying to be rude, was literally wondering. Checked message history and last msg was 10 days ago
And every time they're here it's to talk about their magnificent hosting company that is NotASummerHost ™️
limpid comet
i've always wanted to create a server host called basement hosting
mossy vessel
Did you try out my hosting yet?
frank otter
attic hosting is above basement hosting
limpid comet
where i just find the shittiest fucking random computers i find on the side of the street and add them as nodes on my incredible hosting service
mossy vessel
I install your server on my parent's' phone running in the background!
scenic dew
They probably just want to tell everyone about their host
wispy blade
wow, my laptop's struggling to run minecraft now, xd
formal turret
true
wispy blade
demanding is for real chads
but true alpha males just wait until the problem goes away
spiral robin
uwu
wispy blade
@spiral robin more bentley? 🥺
spiral robin
i am not home until august 29!!
wispy blade
@twin lagoon only 2 more weeks until bentley!
wispy blade
kinky
spiral robin
do. you have dates yet
limpid comet
no im still sigma grindseting
spiral robin
ok
limpid comet
i can guarantee sometime within this decade
void void
.optimization
wispy blade
@limpid comet very epic
void void
.optimizer
spiral robin
startmc is life
limpid comet
i mean i merged it but still the v2 branch is up
void void
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
wispy blade
startmc is indeed pretty epic
red timber
no im still sigma grindseting
the what
limpid comet
sigma GRINDSET.
brave radish
<@!738346084769988638> very epic
why are those files even there
wispy blade
exactly what i was wondering
red timber
sigma GRINDSET.
the WHAT
limpid comet
IM GAMING MIKRO. THATS THE SIGMA GRINDSET.
red timber
that's nothing to ligma
limpid comet
well this is a complete fucking LIE
wispy blade
lol
red timber
set JAVA_HOME then 5head
mossy vessel
wsl java home
limpid comet
here's the big mind boggling question
frank otter
archlinux-java I find more usable than JAVA_HOME
limpid comet
if i gradle install compile whatever, and say, publish to maven local, is that going to the maven local on my Windows or is it stuck in WSL land
wispy blade
`archlinux-java` I find more usable than `JAVA_HOME`
i use arch btw
red timber
`archlinux-java` I find more usable than `JAVA_HOME`
archlinux-java configures JAVA_HOME for you...
red timber
hm, it at least used to do that
doesn't seem to set it anymore
but it does append it to the PATH
frank otter
Is JAVA_HOME just a convention for naming some arbitrary variable to be appended onto PATH?
frank otter
Oh interesting, java was the only thing I'd heard of that used _HOME
nimble depot
Would Gearwheel be a good name for software (previous was called Vortex)
nimble depot
It's a C compiler
potent fossil
yea, seems fitting
nimble depot
Rhe one before that was named ETCELogic2
potent fossil
wispy blade
name it Gearwhccl to be cool
potent fossil
developers naming shit
nimble depot
I don't even remember what ETCE meant but that was a really evil thing. At least it could recompile on the fly
developers naming things: just look at craftbukkit fork names
brave radish
where's that fork generator
wispy blade
BeeForge | multi-threaded ping command and ping command
and then we have legit stuff like PrismarineJS
void void
FoxYatopiaPlus | 1.7 |⭐NEW⭐ | multi-threaded EntityTracker
nimble depot
someone likes WE: FastAsyncBukkitUltimate | 1.16.5 | fixed potions and potions
I am buying that
void void
<@&748618676189528155>
wispy blade
gg
potent fossil
lol
void void
thank you
wispy blade
yup
brave radish
<@&748618676189528155>
looks like you pinged mods for advertising a dum fork
wispy blade
SSSTwoInEyeTeeLite | 1.8 | fixed particles
@nimble depot you know about enterprise shit, can you explain why server racks cost way more than they should?
potent fossil
lul ||https://i.imgur.com/D2Y4F3q.png|| (traced that bitly)
at least they have a 301 http->https 
wispy blade
no glass doors or smth fancy, just 16U of metal
nimble depot
<@!346026244220911619> you know about enterprise shit, can you explain why serve...
because APC just puts their nametags on bent sheet metal and multiplies the price by 10
void void
gotta make sure nobody can MiTM those scammed credentials
nimble depot
The high end racks are so expensive because they are modular and that takes time to engineer you know. I can disassemble the ones I have without using any tools for example
wispy blade
15U Serverkast 19 inch met geperforeerde voordeur, geschikt voor onder de bureaus, (BxDxH) 600x800x769mm, Zwart
and that's 400,-
nimble depot
you should look at StarTech they got cheap stuff
wispy blade
thanks for the tip
nimble depot
they are also probably the only company in the world that makes good powered USB hubs you can trust
potent fossil
i ordered a startech dock and it came doa, sent it back and got a new one sent. came doa. sent it back for refund, bought pluggable.
wispy blade
i mean
void void
> 15U Serverkast 19 inch met geperforeerde voordeur, geschikt voor onder de bure...
for under desks?
Who's gonna put a server rack under their desk
wispy blade
not for under desks, voor onder de bureaus
nimble depot
something has gone not to plan
