The server is a while true loop which has a Thread.sleep which is calculated to determine how much time to wait before the next tick
#general
golden gust
In the new system, they wake the thread up every do often in order to check if there is any work to do
The call to wake up is often but generally fine outside of niche platforms
Alternatives would basically rely on other mechanisms which aren't always so accurate in terms of wake-up iirc
worn ember
No sleeping, only working
i paid for the cpu, and i'ma damn well use it -someone, probably
queue cancer research when theres free time
seems more reasonable but ig it depends on the load really, first solution would be better if there is heavy loads, second would be better if there is light load
left swift
Why does my ram and cpu usage go up when I turn my server on
mossy vessel
I fixed that in my paper fork
pale river
We don't know.
left swift
Man this is why I use paptopia
golden gust
Interrupting is caveted as now you've gotta design the entire mechanism for it and try to avoid tripping up over race conditions, etc
left swift
Race conditions? 
golden gust
Last I knew, thread interrupts where generally much of a pita
wispy blade
Why does my ram and cpu usage go up when I turn my server on
finna make a fork of paper that promises 0% cpu and ram usage, all it does is do System.exit() 
worn ember
do the interrupts on the main thread, fuck multithreading, back to the roots we go
wispy blade
who needs threads, all my homies use wires
left swift
Everything just ran nicer in the updates from 8 years ago where half the content is gone
worn ember
well ur not wrong
left swift
U wot
wispy blade
only reason we use newest versions is to keep the builders happy
golden gust
You can't
worn ember
golden gust
Iirc, there is not one singular queue and there was concerns over the wake-up accuracy
Once again, the wake-up is not accurate.
uncut ginkgo
i didthe least expected response
golden gust
The timeout is basically an expectation, not a promise
There's been many issues with the time of the wake-up being wildly inaccurate into the hundreds of millis
worn ember
who do we blame for that?
left swift
Joe
little frost
blame the processor for sleeping in >:( lazy cpu
wispy blade
worn ember
🐱
left swift
Cool biome
worn ember
reminds me of that horse eating a chick
left swift
Out
worn ember
proof
golden gust
Give it a lick
worn ember
void void
the papermc discord experience™️
wispy blade
nah
just wait until we get another Refreshment in #politics
that's the funny stuff
since they any% paper discord ban
nimble depot
I am surprised how civil the politics channel is
Usually there is no politics channel and when a heated political debate happens in general, the mods just log off and wait until it ends so they can wipe it clean
nimble depot
I run servers in Windows because mmy own licensing server pog
lean kiln
and i am a genius
Burrito x32
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magic river
There are ways in Windows to use the HPET to trigger an interrupt and wake up at an arbitrary point in time rather than on the kernel tickrate, iirc
But desktop Windows probably makes those hard/impossible to use these days since they want to save power
golden gust
Which is part of why the spin loop is a better option
magic river
iirc the Windows kernel is actually tickless or at least has an adaptable tickrate
Chrome used to put it in to 1000Hz mode or something which is why it burns power
Maybe it still does that, dunno
magic river
You used to be able to double your web browsing battery life by using Edge
Hopefully Microsoft at least fixes that in Chronium Edge
static badge
double the cancer rates too
golden gust
Spin loop doesn't?
What mechanisms did you test exactly
How did you test the loop?
magic river
spinloops are a fun thing, if they're simple enough the CPU will detect them and switch in to a special low power mode
static badge
i'd kinda expect the java impl to be better than a spin?
i'd suggest against using milli time
magic river
parkNanos is is like doing Thread.sleep, isn't it?
static badge
mc doesn't do that
magic river
You'd be subject to timer granularity
magic river
But it doesn't actually have nanosecond resolution on Windows, does it?
static badge
not likely it does
magic river
Didn't you just say it was 15ms?
So a real spinloop would be a busy loop, it wouldn't call anything like that
cosmic raft
ok
cosmic raft
what would the best place to go be to get a logo made? ._.
static badge
what would the best place to go be to get a logo made? ._.
furaffinity
have you set up a timer hack
just create a new thread that sleeps for long max value
and try again
and please
use fucking nanoTime
millis is trash
magic river
Wait are you using currentTimeMillis to measure how long it slept?
static badge
and millis can be off by that amount
magic river
Because I think that has a 15-50ms interval
magic river
On Linux it's 1ms, on Windows it's 15-50 depending on what version of Windows
static badge
are you still using milli
very possible using nanotime would just give you an accurate result
ok can you use nanotime in waitpoll but disable the timer hack
magic river
I think that's called timer coalescing, it's a power saving thing
Timers set to fire close to each other are just put together so the kernel only has to wake up once
So if you schedule something for 6ms from now and something for 7ms from now it'll just do both 7ms from now because 1ms probably doesn't matter and there is no guarantee on when a timer fires other than it'll be after when you asked for
Nah, this is beyond tickrate limits
Even if you run at 1000Hz it'll do that even though the granularity was fine enough to trigger both exactly when you asked
(well, within 1ms of when you asked)
Although high resolution timers should be exempt from that binning/coalescing process too but who knows
Not sure why this conversion came up, the tick loop in Minecraft is basically a solved problem
Are you making your own game?
In Paper?
The vanilla tick loop has some issues, iirc CB fixed some of them, spigot fixed more but caused behavior changes, Paper fixed even more and technically has behavior changes but only because it doesn't drop pending block ticks
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is it the fact that it uses cpu while waiting?
magic river
They don't want the spin loop because it uses a lot of CPU time when the server is idle, they're trying to show alternatives that use less CPU time but they say are just as accurate
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it's not really wise to try and change the tickloop without understanding why it's like that
while blocking on the queue might seem obvious
not every task that is critical to execute notifies the main thread
so it must spin wait
magic river
Oh, I see, vanilla finally switched to a spin loop instead of trying to just schedule a sleep
static badge
waiting for lower just burns cpu without benefit
waiting for more will slow chunk loading down
and not waiting like this causes chunks to barely load
no
not all tasks are scheduled to that queue
not all tasks are even scheduled to a queue the main thread sees
you wanna fix it? you gotta change how the chunk system queues stuff and where
there's a light queue, a main thread queue, and a chunk task queue per world
and some ungodly hell connecting the light queue and chunk task queue
magic river
Huh, seems this is basically two spin loops interacting in a bad way
KVM has a spin loop when a guest goes idle in case it go active again immediately and MC's spin loop triggers within that interval
So the host spends all its time spinning around the guest's spinning
static badge
because paper pushes the chunk system harder
because the chunk system is so ungodly you cannot tell it's doing nothing until you do it
static badge
it's not a single queue
I don't know how many times i need to say the chunk system is an ungodly mess
it's not that simple
static badge
rewrite what
wispy blade
rewrite that attitude
static badge
i think for starlight there's like
what is it, the fucking light scheduling queue
the actual light queue
and then the starlight light queue
absolute mess
magic river
The chunk ticket system
static badge
"at least for"?
it's not possible to fix this without murdering your chunk load/gen rates
unless you address the chunk system
waxen panther
why do you care so much about dis
waxen panther
🤔
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without killing your chunk load/gen rates
I'm not telling you this because it's "theoretical"
magic river
Just do the things suggested in the mojira issue and turn off tickless and high resolution timers
It'll wake up 250 times a second instead of 10000
static badge
I'm telling you this because this is a known problem on the chunk system
and other approaches don't work
known for a looong time
I'm going to say this one last time
it's not as simple as you think it is
the chunk system is a fucking mess
filled with queues that queue to queues that queue to queues
and some of these queues don't queue until you poll them
lighting is one
wispy blade
that sounds like something i'd write 🤔
static badge
you're a weeb
worn crest
the chunk system is a fucking mess
And then the creative inventory 
magic river
Huh, I guess things got fucked even harder since the PR since it seems to have been dropped
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it's more understood really
magic river
Oh, I see, it was never merged
static badge
it was 2 years ago
the light queue retains tasks up to a certain point unless it is told to dump them
in order to batch light updates together
the light queue is basically the biggest problem to overcome for this kind of work
magic river
Wait Spigot removed the fixTileEntity stuff?
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think it did with 1.17
magic river
boo
static badge
i don't think md understood the new TE stuff and yeeted it or something
magic river
Ideally it'd never be needed, it was added after a CraftBukkit bug in like beta 1.6 or something corrupted worlds
magic river
But it still triggered from time to time due to plugins doing weird things (or CB doing them occasionally) and the alternative was a server crash
static badge
I can't imagine back in beta 1.6 it was any better
magic river
Oh, but you guys added an exception handler around ticking TEs that just deletes them if something goes wrong there
So I guess that'll clean up the broken ones anyway
static badge
tiles are still a mess and a half
thanks fawe
please continue to ignore half the shit i say
if you want a complete hack of a fix adjust the spinwait to 4ms
magic river
At this point wouldn't it be easier to just try your solution and come tell us in a couple months if you noticed any problems with it?
His PR did break things
static badge
my pr did break
magic river
That's why it didn't get merged
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adjusting the spinwait time is the easiest fix that will still ensures tasks get done
you'll certainly notice slowdowns in loading/gen
not as much as your proposed solution though
not like anyone else has a solution that will do better currently
magic river
Or, if you don't want to patch the server, just boot your kernel with nohz=off highres=off
static badge
he on windows or linux
magic river
Unless that's a VM dedicated to running MC I wouldn't recommend that though, might make other things run poorly too
static badge
hackfix probably a better controlled solution
it's worth testing the solution using some plugin to pregen a world
for shits and giggles I'll do that now to prove my point
static badge
at most?
magic river
Does it not process the queue until empty before sleeping?
static badge
it's all gonna come down to the light engine
so i'll test on paper
yeah it does but
typically these plugins don't just spam the server with requests
they typically only allow a max to concurrently generate
something about ensuring they unload so no oom
so if it's not being emptied fast enough
bye bye rate
not being emptied at all? well you get about a few per tick
it's basically the same problem
all actions to add to queue call unpark
so you get zero benefit blocking on the queue
it would have immediately broken the incremental spinwait
you only cause problems by having it block without a limit
unpark is the only way to allow the server to sleep while waiting for multiple queues
but the whole fucking thing is a mess
there's a very good reason nobody has bothered doing anything for 2 years
it requires rewriting how the light engine schedules tasks
worn ember
bruh i played 2 matches of dota and this still going on?
static badge
and that's that, if you wanna really fix it you gotta rewrite that logic
worn ember
an attempt was made xD
static badge
everything else about the system seems fine but you don't know until you rewrite the light stuff
the light queue stuff is a mess
go take a look at it and try and figure it out
it's not simple
you keep assuming it's simple
it's not
it's
a
mess
it doesn't make sense
it doesn't follow simple rules
and it's all been a pain in the ass for the past 2 years
because it's not a simple connection
golden gust
Because it's not trivial, is the entire issue
static badge
I've been trying to tell you
the whole time
it
cannot
be
boiled
down
I know how to get away with spamming
@golden gust
fuck you UK resident
golden gust
!ban @static badge eat shit leaf furry
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from this discord and discord itself
anyways time for the results we've all been waiting for, the gen tests
around 90 chunks/s for the 4ms spinwait
waxen panther
yes
good luck
🙂
if leaf couldn't fix it i am 99.999% sure you wont be able to
however!
have fun
golden gust
I mean, much of it's just a giant ass mess where stuff is posted all over the place and following it is often a fucking headache
we're a fork of spigot
golden gust
None
many of us used to try to submit stuff to spigot but gave up after generally being ignored/being insulted by them, so, fuq em
warm anchor
There is a reason why “paper” happened from what I hear 
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unfortunately it brought in the weebs
golden gust
I mean, many of us used to be highly active members in the spigot community
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turinity chan
warm anchor
warm anchor
Tuwuinty chan
golden gust
Do I just mute him?
static badge
you can try
warm anchor
golden gust
!mute @static badge he asked
thorny flickerBOT
Invalid duration
warm anchor
He’s gonna spam in your DM if you mute him
warm anchor
Lol
golden gust
I fucking hate this bot
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also I couldn't tell the difference between 4ms or 100us
error between runs was higher
so why not give 4ms a try
:) it might fuck up the tps a bit since the error is going to be 2ms on avg
it'll be the best 5s solution you'll get
sounds like you did something bad and came to paper because you got fucked
that's what most tend to do
warm anchor
Yes but average age seem to be 12
golden gust
are y'all using dark mode themes or something?
void void
nope, official dark mode
static badge
should only be using white theme tbh
golden gust
is fine here, only time I ever saw that was when using themes and shit
I'm using the built in dark theme, only started happening today
magic river
After setting up my grandma's redmi note 9t I'm now jealous and kind of hate my oneplus 7t
Even though mine is probably faster, at least on benchmarks, the redmi phone seems way smoother
And everything has slick little animations
foggy veldt
I keep saying I’m going to switch to android but having FaceTime and iMessage is a pretty big shackle
waxen panther
niome stoopid
wispy blade
yes
fossil patio
i had it set up for a while, basically used a mac vm on my server that the app connected to. it had random issues with sending/receiving messages and ofc not full compatibility with everything. i fixed it by getting an iphone
wispy blade
okay i'm gonna go to bed
brave radish
I thought that was only me
wispy blade
i hate that C uses % as an escape character
because the date utility in linux uses % to format shit
main sorrel
You can use things like AirMessage and BlueBubbles with a mac and they both are stable
wispy blade
@brave radish how dare you thonk my distaste of %
worn ember
Thanks
foggy veldt
Thanks for saying thanks for me while I was busy
warm anchor
bright pollen
Even though mine is probably faster, at least on benchmarks, the redmi phone see...
phone benchmarks have no weight
warm anchor
wake up earlier then 
magic river
phone benchmarks have no weight
I feel like this is just a way to try to pretend iPhones aren't like 2-5 years ahead of Android flagships
I could see pointing to a particular benchmark and showing flaws with it but to dismiss the entire idea seems like someone just isn't happy their phone loses
golden gust
I mean, OP is defo one of those brands which like, er...
I mean, they brand themselves as the "flagship killer", and yet their basically the chinese flagship these days with a price which ain't really too far off the normal flagships we have
Like, they're definetly cheaper than say, samsung, for pretty much the same specs, but, post their first few phones, the shine has been lost, imho; and then I look at apple, like, yea, sure, 5 years ago when I was still in uni and especially a few years before that, having a phone I could theme and screw with was nice, but, now the only thing I've really tweaked is the background wallpaper to one of the other defaults or from the app they have, i forgets, and I question, why not just get an iphone? seeing as it works out cheaper in the long run
vernal moth
gotta love when a project worked for days (without closing IJ) and today it just refuses to compile
of course, once I compile in gradle and then run in IJ again, it works
golden gust
gg
golden gust
You're in the find block?
vernal moth
nah below
but find block is stupid
needs to be val player = players.find { it.uuid == event.gameObject.uuid }
golden gust
bruh
enterprise naming
duh
if your var names aren't following the dystopian horror that a fizzbuzz generator produces, are you really dev'in?
vernal moth
I work for an insurance
I am well aware how bad var names can be
heck, I was working on the horrible java <-> cobol cross section once
where the limited size cobol names clash with way too long and partly german java var names 😂
golden gust
solid sapphire
yay
solid sapphire
streamable blocked
solid sapphire
i dont think so
vernal moth
how else would it work?
solid sapphire
idk
vernal moth
check if you can access 151.101.129.63
should give some random 500
or well, ping streamable.com and see what IP you get
solid sapphire
vernal moth
so ye, that is right, so you just got a wrong IP via dns most likely
vernal moth
curl 151.101.129.63 -H "Host: streamable.com" -v
should give you an 301
if so, you can def reach their servers properly
solid sapphire
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
vernal moth
with what content?
solid sapphire
1 sec
vernal moth
curl https://151.101.129.63 -H "Host: streamable.com" -k should give you the streamable website, you should see the title
solid sapphire
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0"/><style>body{margin:0px;padding:0px;}iframe{width:100%;height:100%}</style><iframe src="http://www.airtel.in/dot/" width="100%" height="100%" frameborder=0></iframe> is what i get
maybe related to 3 layers of nat?
fossil patio
yikes. this is why i'm excited for starlink to start bringing global competition to isps
solid sapphire
something something it loaded somehow then i cleared its HSTS entry now the block works again
vernal moth
well, I would accept that that connection is compromised and install openvpn on a vps of yours
and use that to access the internet
vernal moth
well, if you got no server, might be cheaper to rent a vpn
warm anchor
Dns hijack
vernal moth
it seems to be more than a dns hijack eternity
solid sapphire
well, if you got no server, might be cheaper to rent a vpn
yeah
i should try on mobile data
warm anchor
Huh interesting
Of all the thing india blame on China for, this ban seems to be even worse than I thought lol
solid sapphire
did i mention my isp is getting one line from airtel and theyre reselling it? so 3 layers of nat :pain: so it cound be my isp or airtel
warm anchor
I’ve only read about that big news of them trying to ban some China app most noticeably tiktok
solid sapphire
its banned
warm anchor
Yeah but this method they use to censor it goes deeper than I thought I what I mean
solid sapphire
what tiktok wont even load now
ah right so isp dns was censoring but now it broke fully?
it loads on firefox
wtf is broken now
Next up: discord becomes banned
i think isp -> airtel is the part leaking dns
Also, ill drop a review on BSNL(The http ad player isp) when i get my connection, they have been giving me the excuse of "Oh no we forgot to bring the router" for the past 1 week
oh wow i still have the zip of the js code bsnl uses
solid sapphire
Or just try to get out of that country
k gimme a few days to think bout that
potent fossil
what an mf day
i had a meeting to get an orientation for a new school org i joined (out of 3 total orgs i joined this sem 
) and im in there listening, apparently one of the faculty got a hold of my website and saw my resume, and then offered me a job so now im a student of the college and also an employee of the college 
time for bed
solid sapphire
i had a meeting to get an orientation for a new school org i joined (out of 3 to...
wispy blade
well, at least you have a job now
wispy blade
tfw the reason IJ doesn't work OOTB with dwm is because of a single environment variable
red timber
something something awt reparenting
wispy blade
yep
red timber
`curl https://151.101.129.63 -H "Host: streamable.com" -k` should give you the s...
curl --resolve streamable.com:443:151.101.129.63 https://streamable.com is usually better choice because you don't need -k then
and curl will pass correct SNI
wispy blade
@ashen cliff am i doing it right?
wispy blade
heck, i could add 40 GB more
void void
"Why buy ram if you have perfectly fine hard disk space you can use"
- Summerhosts
wispy blade
except this is my laptop and i have a quite useless 64 gb emmc
because my arch install is on my ssd
wispy blade
👀
ashen cliff
Should last like 6 hours under normal load, but the software shuts it down.
vernal moth
`curl --resolve streamable.com:443:151.101.129.63 https://streamable.com` is usu...
Ah, cool
Bee movie script meme in Factorio, lmao
lean kiln
mini is now a kotlin engineer
vernal moth
well, am trying
but looks like even rsocket people don't give a shit about that project
lean kiln
kek
vernal moth
and rsocket-rpc-java is not compatible with rsocket-kotlin-core
cause kotlin version is completely separate for some reason?
wispy blade
yum, dependency hell
vernal moth
like, using different package for same class kinda different
which also means I can't use the netty transport cause that has no kotlin impl?
maybe I should just use rsocket java stuff in my kotlin project
fuck them
but the docs for rsocket-rpc-java also kinda stupid
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red timber
oh no
frank otter
my favorite text editor after neovim
how do you memorise so many keybindings
mossy vessel
all you need to know is :q!
red timber
how do you memorise so many keybindings
by practicing
frank otter
:wqa is the only one I can consistently remember
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olive marlin
There's vimtutor command installed with vim, which teaches you many moves.
solid sapphire
ah i got the mysterious goop that comes from stoves on my hand
wispy blade
idk
left swift
Vi sucks
left swift
left swift
Vi von
native wolf
You guys arguing about editors?
red timber
ctrl-c seems to switch back to normal mode indeed on neovim
solid sapphire
so bsnl came here and terminated the fibre, but still "NO we cant gib connection yet bcuz we didnt get router"
ahh isp's
worn ember
Should've paid :p
left swift
Ya pay ded next time
worn ember
You can still pay me
solid sapphire
Should've paid :p
i was joking like "I get late fees if i pay something late, why cant i charge them a late installation fee?"
anyways, i already [ayed them an advance for installation
left swift
That's where u fucked up
minor badge
ctrl-c seems to switch back to normal mode indeed on neovim
thats not command mode :p
solid sapphire
i just realised the fastest way to wax yourself without wax is to flamethrower yourself
warm anchor
i was joking like "I get late fees if i pay something late, why cant i charge th...
Because they can live without you but you can’t live without internet South Park nipple rubbing gif here
solid sapphire
lol
imma home alone flamethrower their head if they showup withouth a router again
vernal moth
My company apperently donated to the eclipse foundation 😂
And they send us some friends badge in return?
wispy blade
?
solid sapphire
i still use netbeans sometinmes
ashen cliff
Tax write off?
solid sapphire
i would probs donate to FSF or Apache
royal kernel
I just installed pufferpanel, do you guys use web panels for your servers or just ssh in?
solid sapphire
ssh
royal kernel
Before I had a bunch of sh files that would do the job lol
left swift
@royal kernel that's cool bro
royal kernel
@left swift Thanks bro!
vernal moth
Tax write off? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
Nah
Well, we will obf write it off, but that wasn't the intention
mossy vessel
Giving sth back is always nice
vernal moth
Yeah
pale summit
@tribal rivet can you please send my BillyGalbreath's discord tag? I got an unfair ban from the purpur discord by granny right after our discussion about plugin developing
left swift
wispy blade
vernal moth
Let's not have drama from other discords in here, I am sure they have an appeal process that doesn't involve harassing the owner per DM
solid sapphire
time to see if my diy electrical work is ok or gonna magic smoke
ashen cliff
The number of lapis is still going up after 3 years.
Today: https://posili.me/i/2021-08-11_15-08-45.png
3 years ago: https://posili.me/i/2018-12-30_01-47-57.gif
ashen cliff
time to see if my diy electrical work is ok or gonna magic smoke
DIY PSU cables?
left swift
Wtf krusic lol
solid sapphire
WOho my light finally works
worn ember
thats a lot of lapis
solid sapphire
beeelion
foggy veldt
That gif kind of makes me want to play modded Minecraft
But it always goes 1 of 3 ways:
- Grind draconic evolution, become op, get bored, quit
- grind void ore miner, become op, get bored, quit
- pack doesn’t have enough mods, get bored, quit
solid sapphire
i am the 4th one:
have too weak of a pc to run the vanilla game
solid sapphire
i currently stuck with a dell laptop
i got rid of my pc from 2010, bought a laptop, planned for a nice tour and then the virus came
magic river
Every time he shows that UI someone comments on the 8 vs B thing for the cobble
solid sapphire
lol
worn ember
every time someone says 8 instead of B someone has to comment on it /s
foggy veldt
What’s a popular mod pack out now with tech and has a lot of public servers
solid sapphire
How do i make wash myself not sound wired
foggy veldt
How do i make `wash myself` not sound wired
bathe?
solid sapphire
ah yes
magic river
Public servers for modded? 
solid sapphire
thanks
worn ember
theres plenty of public modded servers amar
solid sapphire
brb gonna bathe myself as i acted as a mop in my loft
foggy veldt
There was a good public modded network I used to play on but it’s offline mode which is eh
solid sapphire
i collected the last 3 years of dust in my clothes
magic river
Modded is full of crash bugs and it's usually trivial for a single person to ruin both the FPS of anyone who can see them and the tickrate of the server
worn ember
its not like that anymore tbh, most modpacks have a proper update flow now that fixes bugs and actively patches them
magic river
Hell a semi-public server I was playing ATM6 skyblock on only had like 6 really active players and we still managed to crash it at least once a day, bring it down hard for 2 days while the owner tried to debug it, and bring the TPS down so a day when it's sitting around 10 looks good
worn ember
sure the lag thing still holds true but thats the same for vanilla aswel
left swift
Maybe krusic should get a better font
foggy veldt
I have this thing I call “why am I doing this?” disorder where I lose interest if no one will see/use the thing that I am making. It affects my programming as well
worn ember
eh, dont worry about others, just make shit to get better at it
magic river
Oh and two players had bases that made your FPS drop to like 1/4 normal when you looked at them 😛
worn ember
thats just the modded experience
left swift
Modded sucks
wispy blade
yup
left swift
Kitchen sink packs suck
magic river
I quit playing because 10 TPS or lower is too noticeable
wispy blade
cough 1.7.10 extra utilities 2 generators
worn ember
sevtech ages was pretty cool
foggy veldt
The server I used to play on would automatically convert tps killer tile entities into obsidian which would result in a lot of bitching on the forums
worn ember
you couldnt use certain packs until you unlocked the achievenements and progressed through the "ages"
magic river
Sevtech Ages was a real grind though
magic river
And you had to make sure everyone knew to pick up as few rocks as possible since otherwise you couldn't find ores later
pale summit
Let's not have drama from other discords in here, I am sure they have an appeal ...
I can find no appeal process
mossy vessel
This ain't not the right server for that
left swift
Nmf
mossy vessel
No
left swift
Yes
mossy vessel
aight
left swift
Thanks
tawdry zealot
native wolf
I would recommend using Velocity or at least Waterfall instead of Bungee
barren tree
I'm looking to make a super simple script to set doDaylightCycle and doWeatherCycle to false when there are no players online. Does anyone know how I would go about doing this?
I'm also trying to set it back to true upon a user joining, the ultimate goal is to not have the date/weather change while no one is online
craggy shoal
Can anyone help me?
void void
no sorry
potent fossil
I'm looking to make a super simple script to set doDaylightCycle and doWeatherCy...
either with java make a plugin that checks every few ticks if player count = 0 and if so have console execute gamerule cmd (or gamerule api if it exists idk), and if not set them the other way around; if you dont know java then use skript and do similarly.
heading off to a meeting now so i can't help, but that's how you would go about it
worn ember
either with java make a plugin that checks every few ticks if player count = 0 a...
you can just listen for the join and quit events
potent fossil
also valid
barren tree
you can just listen for the join and quit events
This is what I was trying to do, I feel like making it check every few ticks is unnecessary when you could just have it check if the player count is zero upon a player leaving
worn ember
well do you know java?
barren tree
nope 😅
worn ember
do you know skript?
barren tree
also no... is it hard to learn?
worn ember
shouldnt be too hard
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worthy geode
Some of the addons are not documented at all, but for Skript itself that should be enough
the whole point of Skript after all is that all the logic etc is pretty much basic english, so that really does not need that much explanation
mossy vessel
Just seems like examples
If sheets don't have copy/paste examples it can be considered a bad documentation 
vale warren
hi
cunning raft
ok what do you want
potent fossil
🤡
cunning raft
lets get this out of the way
fallen oracle
Hi JRoy ❤️
cunning raft
yo yo yo
barren tree
Does skript support 1.17.1?
cunning raft
sure
peak ginkgo
I believe it does
cunning raft
i have not touched that code base for months
ashen cliff
Don't need to touch the code base if it's perfect. 
cunning raft
self hosted wat
little frost
it's wayy to far from being an actual programming language for that
vernal bone
wide chasm
In my WIP Skript interpreter, it's (currently) pretty easy to make Skript standalone, only requires a couple dozen of lines. Of course, you can't interact with Minecraft stuff then, but anything that doesn't require that works fine.
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little frost
oh, i thought they meant having skript written in skript
wide chasm
E.g., here's some Skript from the command line
Oh Skript has a standalone parser as well, that's neat
worn ember
i like how just mentioning skript in chat sparks a whole conversation
warm anchor
It’s like mentioning ded in chat
left swift
Spark ur fart
worn ember
Spark ur fart
i'll spark urs
left swift
😳
toxic bone
calling the police
warm anchor
@potent fossil hi simple. I am calling you to notify you about your vehicle warranty
warm anchor
I swear phone company don’t care coz it’s money for them
There do be a lot of them here in US
olive marlin
Thankfully we have GDPR here and every time i request them to disclose how they got my data like my number etc and to be removed from their database. I noticed that number of calls I get is reduced now.
cunning raft
you'd presumably have a US phone number
brave radish
yes but they might not know that
can't hurt to try ¯_(ツ)_/¯
though not as much fun as telling them I have a car from the 40s and watching them say I don't qualify
(for the warranty I'm supposedly renewing)
warm anchor
I mean... I'm in the US... but they might not know that 👀
Ain’t you also underage they can’t call minor either iirc coz coppa
If they know the number is for none adult
magic river
Does the California privacy law let you do that I wonder?
I suppose the business would have to be in California
warm anchor
Knowing California they probably do have a law for it
magic river
They have their own version of GDPR, yes
warm anchor
Iirc their version is even more stricter
brave radish
Honestly as a US resident I hate the GDPR; all it means to me is I have to dismiss cookie notices on every site
warm anchor
Just hit agree.
magic river
Cookie notices aren't GDPR
brave radish
what are they then? idk they're usually mandated by some law that doesn't govern my area so I don't know about
magic river
They're a previous EU law
brave radish
eh so some EU thing, close enough
anyway I know this isn't something legislatures can do but I would much prefer Firefox and Chrome just have a little cookie icon in the address bar (Chrome already does actually)
and it helps that people are dumb about the GDPR and say things like "You must delete this message as per blah blah blah quotes here" on Discord
which honestly might be more annoying than the steam scams
olive marlin
Honestly as a US resident I hate the GDPR; all it means to me is I have to dismi...
Bro! That's a different thing. And solution is super simple - install I don't care about cookies addon.
I haven't seen a cookie notice in ages, despite mostly using private mode for broswing.
brave radish
yes I have already been scolded about my lack of knowledge of European law thank you :pepela:
brave radish
I haven't seen a cookie notice in ages, despite mostly using private mode for br...
with the extension, I take it?
olive marlin
Yes.
brave radish
hmm I normally don't use browser extensions but I may have to get that one
olive marlin
Works great. Though I believe mobile chrome doesn't let you install addons, if you care about it. Though who uses chrome anyway 
brave radish
I think Safari in iOS 15 is supposed to but that might have just been the coming macOS version
olive marlin
Dark Reader, Enhancer for YT, Containers, I don't care about cookies, FoxyTab, Refined Github, Sponsor Block, Stylus, uBlock, ...
So many great extensions you are missing out on!
brave radish
don't care ab containers cuz I clear everything constantly anyway
brave radish
dark reader seems cool but most sites have dark mode now anyway
waxen panther
niome do NOT call eternity dumb
warm anchor
wispy blade
@waxen panther then i will call you dum, dum
wispy blade
why not
warm anchor
@wispy blade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin
wispy blade
it's just easier to refer to it as ublock
olive marlin
don't care ab containers cuz I clear everything constantly anyway
Wut? How does that relate? Containers are epic to isolate contexts. Like for example, you are logged in to work accounts in the Work container, and to personal ones in Personal container etc.
olive marlin
The name is ublock origin
unlock origin
warm anchor
No ublock is a differnt plugin @wispy blade
brave radish
Wut? How does that relate? Containers are epic to isolate contexts. Like for exa...
well I close all my tabs too lol so nothing left to contain
void void
Wut? How does that relate? Containers are epic to isolate contexts. Like for exa...
I keep on forgetting firefox has this, I always just use seperate firefox profiles
wispy blade
yes, but that was already an established fact
olive marlin
well I close all my tabs too lol so nothing left to contain
Yes. But still. Some sites don't allow you to be logged in to 2 different accounts at once.
brave radish
That's true but then I just use a private window and a non private window
olive marlin
And also throwing crap like FB etc in different container, so it can't track you is great.
I don't like logging in every time, and I sometimes need to use 3 or 4 different accounts. I guess that's a me problem though.
warm anchor
@wispy blade https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24533082
Read this comment thread
To know why it’s ublock origin not ublock
brave radish
I don't like logging in every time, and I sometimes need to use 3 or 4 different...
I used to do that when working on my own website but haven't had to in a while
wispy blade
@warm anchor i don't care, it's easier to refer to ublock origin as just ublock and i think you can agree with me on that at least 😔
brave radish
inb4 EterNity has autocorrection set up to replace ublock with ublock origin so it's actually harder
warm anchor
Ok I call you nioma from now on coz it’s easier for me
wispy blade
depends on your keyboard layout but sure
foggy veldt
watching the console when starting up a modpack server is always a fun sight
wispy blade
sounds like a normal modpack startup for me
little frost
only 5??
golden gust
is it really a mod pack if theres not 200 warnings on startup?
warm anchor
Forge is such a mess
void void
Imagine not having a 100mb log file because of all the startup warnings
spiral thunder
Does anyone here know the syntax for Skript? I've spent the past hour and a half trying to figure out how this script is supposed to be set up, but I still have no clue and I bet someone who's familiar with it could fix it in like 15 seconds.
on start:
execute console command "/gamerule doDaylightCycle False"
execute console command "/gamerule doWeatherCycle False"
on join:
if the real online player count == 1:
execute console command "/gamerule doDaylightCycle True"
execute console command "/gamerule doWeatherCycle True"
on leave:
if the real online player count == 0:
execute console command "/gamerule doDaylightCycle False"
execute console command "/gamerule doWeatherCycle False"
Don’t they have a discord? Or I am imagining things
spiral thunder
yeah I tried asking there, but that discord has one message a week on average sadly
tawdry girder
eyo
formal turret
the summer sale has begun 🤔
warm anchor
Fake?
brave radish
can we have an <@&748618676189528155> ?
tawdry girder
my favorite .link
warm anchor
It’s a phishing link
swift root
ty
brave radish
I never realized how many channels there were here until they spammed all of them 👀
warm anchor
To make it looks like it’s a real embed on 2nd
mighty storm
warm anchor
Yeah
warm anchor
Worse part is
The user is provably real
He just clicked on the link and became one with the bot
void void
you need to do a little more than clicking on a link to become a steam scam bot
void void
fair point
worn ember
plucky sparrow
It’s a plague
wind geyser
I keep on forgetting firefox has this, I always just use seperate firefox profil...
Firefox does this, but it's not as convenient as other browsers imo.
olive marlin
@wind geyser you mean profiles or containers? Using profiles in FF is a bit of a pain, but I much prefer using containers so it was never an issue for me.
wind geyser
profiles
lament patio
Same, I just use a separate browser for whatever else I need
vivid egret
guys I need help
I need a list of random facts
about people
me and my friend are making a game
and we need some random facts
for example:
"love eating pineapples!",
"have fought a bear in a 1v1 battle!",
"have 7 cats!",
"can eat a Bigmac in less than 30 seconds!",
"have a plan to rule the world someday!",
"love destroying nature!",
If someone have any ideas it would be great 🙂
just random facts
lmao
novel horizon
Are there any good plugins for difficulty management? Like increasing it or maybe even change monsters to be a little bit more hard? 🤔 I know about some plugins, but some suck, don't wanna use something like mythicmobs for such purpose probably
I've seen few, but also some are 
warm anchor
Monster from 70 to 280 will make game a bit harder @novel horizon
novel horizon
That is true, but it will also make server run a bit worse, lol ^^ and people could use that for a lot of drops :p which would they like I suppose
waxen panther
@ashen cliff j16 flags wen
limpid comet
warm anchor
bluely epic 
random tide
This might sound weird but does anyone have "choppy" arrows? like i shoot a bow and the fps of the arrow itself feels very off. May have never noticed but it doesn't feel right
warm anchor
what do you mean by fps (frame per second) of the arrow? 
warm anchor
my best guess is test on vanilla client and it's probably your video card drivers since animation is client side
random tide
Strange will try. Have never had this before. Haven't played in a couple weeks
i mean i still have 150 fps on my server and everything
not a big deal just strange
restarted mc and it fixed itself? idk
warm anchor
even more likely to be driver issue then
quiet isle
Is hetzner a good host?
chrome cosmos
yes
quiet isle
bet, ty
ashen cliff
<@!219443401974611970> j16 flags wen
Already done.
solid sapphire
ok i have some more energy to researvch on isp blocking stuff
ooh new message now
golden gust
try https
golden gust
breaks?
golden gust
hsts means that it'll always remember to go back to https
solid sapphire
ik
golden gust
So, basically, they're intercepting http traffic
golden gust
Well, chances are they're just managing dns and http as two seperate units
solid sapphire
mhm
golden gust
You break dns, and you can resolve the real IP address
you don't use http, and they can't mangle the connection
warm anchor
would it be IB then for India
vernal moth
Turns out it hard to use an async coroutine API without understanding coroutines or async flow based programming in general
This stuff is not that easy, urg
potent fossil
day was wild, again. sister fainted twice at home, went to hospital, than fainted in hospital. nurse made her walk w/o help (while lightheaded and verge of fainting) to restroom, then back, then got her back on her bed and she fainted again and fell off the hospital bed bc nurse didnt raise the gate thing, then nurse came back and laughed at her and called her crazy for falling on the floor, sister managed to walk out of ER somehow and her gf drove her to a different hospital in other city and she got expert care
murica
and then i also bought a car from a neighbor private party out of nowhere and he let me get it inspected and it's all gewd except for some non-severe oil leak
novel horizon
wtf
potent fossil
yea that hospital is about to feel some fury, but i hope they enjoy the calm before the storm
novel horizon
i hope so
twin lagoon
ah yes
curse launcher installing overwolf without me ever asking for it after not having it opened for 2 weeks
golden gust
FLEX TAPE
novel horizon
yeah michael, sucks, kinda forces itself with that, i hate it
novel horizon
yeah, it is still annoying though
forcing people to install it like that, scummy
"ohohoh we have THAT many users btw"
ashen cliff
Why TF does 1.17 sometimes prefer using the A record instead of the SRV one?
twin lagoon
1.17.1 fixes it iirc
vernal moth
GitHubs maintinance is going great, throwing 500s left and right 😂
ashen cliff
1.17.1 fixes it iirc
Even happens on 1.17.1 sometimes.
Does 1.17.1 actually fix that or some lib that they updated at the same time?
quasi valley
1.17.1 actually fixes it
vernal moth
After Feedback from server owners/devs
wispy blade
ashen cliff
Sounds epic.
ashen cliff
Still is.
wispy blade
nah
currently it's the 80s albums that nobody's heard off getting uploaded
that are huge
ashen cliff
I use the same username everywhere, to hide my shady other username. So just look for that.
wispy blade
shady other username?
wispy blade
you have piqued my interest bro!
ashen cliff
Removed some cursed ones.
Would take some time and modify Aikars flags, but don't have time for all the testing that would require. Just for someone to run them on a VPS potato and blame me for their trash performance again.
ashen cliff
Make sure to totally ignore everything written and complain about it as hard as possible.
wispy blade
i am very good at that
wispy blade
@worn ember frituurpan
worn ember
Koekoeksklok
untold copper
boo
viscid wedge
slender blade
mossy vessel
ok
toxic bone
is aternos legal?!?!🤨 🤨
lean kiln
why would it be illegal
worn ember
.joke
limber knotBOT
DEDs existence
worn ember
Ok not the one I was hoping for
golden gust
golden gust
hey DED, I hope you step on a lego
worn ember
Thanks. Appreciate it
That reminds me that my sister's friend stepped on a broken glass once. It was the foot of a wine glass and it went straight through her foot
golden gust
oh god, been there done that
worn ember
And my friend who was helping me dismantle a wooden cage stepped on a nail in his Crocs cx
golden gust
I mean, not entirely straight through, but, have stepped on glass before, sucks fucking ass, and is weird as all shit when you pull it out and your foots just there tingling like all shit
worn ember
Yuck
golden gust
Better yet
golden gust
So, my sperm donor took up the carpet of the stairs for some reason, think he was gonna paint do the walls and they needed stripping, etc (The walls where half stripped for years, then our birth giver basically got us to finish it, and then the walls where bare for even more years)
So, we had stairs with bare wood for years, like, not laminted or anything
people got a few good splinters over the years from that shit
worn ember
Ahaha
Splinters are the worst
Had a bunch of those in my wood working days
I'd still take it over glass splinters tho
golden gust
"thankfully, he got over his addiction of rubbing wood"
grave rover
does anyone know a plugin to delete chunks which haven't been visited in a set amount of time
ashen cliff
There is a tool that can do that. But I also assume a plugin exists that could check the chunk inhibit timer?
warm anchor
That reminds me that my sister's friend stepped on a broken glass once. It was t...
Thanks ded I hate it
grave rover
There is a tool that can do that. But I also assume a plugin exists that could c...
could you give me the name/link of the tool
doesn't really have to be a plugin but a plugin would be more convenient
worn ember
Thanks ded I hate it
I love that you hate it :p
warm anchor
Yes first thing I read in morning 
worn ember
No problem. If you need more stories. I'm your guy
grave rover
thank you
untold copper
.joke
limber knotBOT
DEDs existence
frank otter
.joke
limber knotBOT
DEDs existence
frank otter
very funny
ashen cliff
Very.
untold copper
Extremely Very.
wispy blade
Hilarious, some might say.
warm anchor
Hello nioma
wispy blade
hi ytienre
worn ember
No
Life really likes fucking me over. I was supposed to get my second vaccine shot today. Dude at the vaccination center wrote 14:40 instead of 11:40 and now it's closed so I missed my window
untold copper
oof
worn ember
Nah they won't let me I'm pretty sure
warm anchor
Just go tmr yeah. Tell them is their mistake
worn ember
They won't let you cuz they only have the right amount available