general

[brave radish]

.downloads

[limber knot]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[visual swift]

I couldn't find it there I can only find 1.17.1

[brave radish]

Scroll down till it says 1.17

[void void]

usually if you're low on ram

[brave radish]

but you should be using 1.17.1

There's an active dupe glitch in 1.17

[void void]

them gc will pause server long enough for noticeable lag spikes to appear

otherwise it's ok

[visual swift]

oh god sure then lol I was waiting for optifine since my pc sucs

[void void]

optifine pre is available for 1.17.1

[visual swift]

and I was waiting for too long

[brave radish]

Optifine 🤢

[olive marlin]

Opticrap

[brave radish]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_O9177rierk4S7cF_E_CLb9jhLKQLyjXdXMJ8oCWYyg/%3Fv%3D1/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/817970277132140545.gif

I knew Prof Bloostone was smart :P

[void void]

optifine is ok until you don't need e.g fabric

[magic river]

Cool I finally got AT&T Wireless and HBO Max to talk to each other so I have that now too

[void void]

and if you don't really crave for shaders

[magic river]

What was the mod that was sodium but shaders?

[void void]

iris

it has massive memory leak at the moment, unfortunately :/

sucks up all vram

iirc it was reported as well so

[magic river]

So now I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, and HBO Max

If something isn't on there yar har fiddle dee because fuck that's already too many services

[mossy vessel]

Hulu?

[tropic flame]

people shit on optifine, yeah give me Sodium for Forge then, I'll wait

i use optifine while playing with other mods and i don't have problems despite people saying otherwise

[brave radish]

why would you want Forge though...

[void void]

jelly dropped forge support completely after forge people threw elitist attitude on her

or something like that

"if it's not in forge then it's snake oil so fuck off" pretty much

Do we have to preload chunk everytime server starts

[limber knot]

dangowang

[void void]

Or its a one time thig

[tropic flame]

to play... with Forge mods? give me Thermal Expansion for Fabric then, I'll wait

Galacticraft for Fabric

[fervent otter]

one time

[brave radish]

yes that's much better

[fervent otter]

once its generated its generated

[brave radish]

port everything over to Fabric, not Sodium to Forge lol

[void void]

Oh

[tropic flame]

IndustrialCraft 2 for fabric?

[void void]

Can someone recommend me best rtp plugin
And best pregen plugin

[limber knot]

mine

[void void]

[limber knot]

for best rtp

[tropic flame]

and until that happens i will be using Forge and Optifine

that is my point

[limber knot]

using forge in 2021

[void void]

Which one is urs

[tropic flame]

rymiel i already gave arguments about that, scroll up and read

[limber knot]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/wilderness-tp.22853/

[brave radish]

1. https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/RandomTeleport or that one ^^
2. Chunky

[limber knot]

DED still hasn't merged with me yet

[magic river]

If you're playing a modpack you probably still need forge

[limber knot]

until then he is inferior

[magic river]

If you're playing on paper servers there shouldn't be a need for it

[worn ember]

[tropic flame]

yeah lmao "idgaf your mods don't exist in Fabric, stop using Forge"

?????

[magic river]

optifine has always been kind of trash and sodium makes it clear just how bad it really was

[limber knot]

fabric is a useable option nowadays

[tropic flame]

am i the mod developer to make that call now

[fervent otter]

it has the zoom thingy though

[tropic flame]

i didn't know I was

[magic river]

optifine has a bunch of shit tacked on, sure

The main reason for it to exist doesn't work though

[covert latch]

Does fabric work client side like optifine though, with those performance mods?

[worn ember]

i like forge for the api, i like fabric cuz it updates quick, both have their uses

[magic river]

It's either been no change or worse performance for me since 2016 or so

[void void]

Is it good performance wise

[tropic flame]

oh and btw where's Sponge for Fabric

[void void]

[tropic flame]

that's also a reason to use Forge

[limber knot]

read the page

[tropic flame]

because forge servers can have Sponge

[covert latch]

I have heard that fabric does have better performance but no idea if a fabric client can connect to a vanilla server or similar things.

[limber knot]

There is spongevanilla

literally mentions that exact category

[brave radish]

yeah, if mods don't need to be on the server, they don't need to be

[void void]

Ok i will try urs

[magic river]

Don't really care about Forge vs Fabric in general

[void void]

Selamun Aleyküm

[tropic flame]

SpongeVanilla... for mods... that's a new one

[magic river]

Just if you're playing on a Paper server you don't need much in the way of mods

[covert latch]

Forge vs Fabric doesn't feel like a good comparison

Fabric vs Spigot though..

[magic river]

Unless you're a dirty cheater

[void void]

Betterrtp vs ur plugin
What things ur plugin does better than betterrtp

[limber knot]

Sponge has mixins though, so I do not see a difference

[brave radish]

says who? Vanilla client perf is bad

[limber knot]

everything

[void void]

[limber knot]

Perhaps the tooling is a bit different

it's the number one spigot plogen as it says on the page

[magic river]

If client perf is your concern then you get sodium, that's what I'm saying 😛

[tropic flame]

I do see a difference because there is SpongeVanilla and SpongeForge

[covert latch]

I'm not sure what plugin to use by the way, what's a good tab menu choice?

[tropic flame]

if ideologically there is a difference then i don't care about technicality

[magic river]

But you shouldn't be that concerned with forge compatibility because other than sodium and lithium (and maybe starlight?) you shouldn't really have any mods installed

Like, maybe you have WE CUI installed but I think that works with everything

[void void]

I got bunch of update notifications in spigot site

Something happened ?

[brave radish]

Starlight works on Forge anyway

[covert latch]

spigot will give you notifications of the plugins you've downloaded.

And 1.17.1 has stuff updating as a result so..

[magic river]

SpongeForge and SpongeVanilla are different, SpongeForge mixins are designed to work with and interoperate with Forge API

Most of it is the same between the two which is why SpongeCommon exists but there is a difference

SpongeVanilla also gets a better build system since they made it themselves

Although I think Lex was open to changes to or replacing ForgeGradle last I heard

[tropic flame]

i feel the topic got lost
tl;dr my points were:
1 - there is still a use for Forge if the mods you want to play with do not exist on Fabric
1.1 - there is still a use for Optifine if you want to use it with said Forge mods

[magic river]

Sure, if you're playing a modpack you probably want Forge so you want Optifine (although it breaks a bunch of mods so maybe not)

[tropic flame]

yeah

[magic river]

If you're playing a "vanilla" server you shouldn't be modding your client heavily though so that should be fine with Fabric and Sodium which is the superior solution

[tropic flame]

yes

[magic river]

Optifine is trash but you're stuck with it for now 😛

[covert latch]

I've seen bukkit getting dissed a lot in a few server plugin discords that also have fabric versions..

Some people really don't like it, and want fabric to take the lead.

[magic river]

Bukkit has a lot of problems

Fabric solves them by not having an API

[tropic flame]

unfortunately

[covert latch]

Which does make sense from what I hear, bukkit and paper as a result being massively outdated and not keeping up with the continual new stuff in minecraft versions too..

[tropic flame]

but hey I still play modded 1.12.2 for which Sodium never existed anyway

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic river]

It's easy to update quickly and throw shade on other APIs when your API basically doesn't exist

[covert latch]

Paper, purpur and all these other performance forks end up just cutting apart minecraft, pretty much?

[brave radish]

Purpur ain't a perf fork lol

[magic river]

From an API perspective Sponge is the superior solution

[golden gust]

no

I mean

[brave radish]

Purpur is a "whatever Billy and his wife come up with" fork

[magic river]

Unfortunately due to the design of the API, their dependencies, and the people (or lack thereof) working on it Sponge updates pretty slowly

[covert latch]

It seems to be the common thing stated by those I've heard that dislike paper and similar things. Removing features or mechanics of the game for the sake of better performance.

[golden gust]

Like, there are lots of edge case shit in the server which is hard to maintain when you want pretty events which hook everything properly and don't turn into a bastardised mess in the name of vanilla edge-cases

[magic river]

But if you had to pick one that'd be the one

[void void]

Paper is most used mc server software ?

[golden gust]

paper doesn't remove anything from vanilla outside of bug fixes

[brave radish]

yeah

[void void]

paper removes dupe bugs that's bad!11!!1

[magic river]

Paper is pretty different from vanilla

[golden gust]

But, the nature of craftbukkit and spigot means that there are behavioral changes we inherit

[void void]

More than spigotmc

[void void]

That's good

[magic river]

CraftBukkit tried to be like vanilla, Spigot and Paper try to look like vanilla

[void void]

but muh technical players

[golden gust]

much stuff upstream really ain't maintained all that well

[waxen panther]

oh fr?

[tropic flame]

and it's a shame that using CB is now frowned upon when maybe you just want vanilla + plugins

[covert latch]

Yeah it does seem like most of the issues are attributed to the source, being bukkit and stuff.

[lament patio]

The compromises from performance forks are good enough for most people, and allows for far more players than Fabric/Vanilla

[covert latch]

Paper itself gets praise but bukkit, is where issues come from?

[golden gust]

theres a lot of stuff which could really do with being tossed out and re-implemented in order to cater more towards being vanilla like

[livid swan]

Anyone know how to remove hypixel virus?

[void void]

Paper will think about server not
Promote abusers

[void void]

but abuse is fun

amirite

[void void]

Not for server owners

[golden gust]

I mean, I've invited technical people to work on the issues for years

[void void]

who cares they just want money anyway

:^)

[tropic flame]

plz add tnt dupe option in paper.yml!!!!?! 🥺

[brave radish]

What does Paper even remove?

[void void]

Bugs

🐛

[covert latch]

Not even sure, just saying what I've had told to me, wasn't specific stuff when they said it.

[formal turret]

lol yea i've seen the same sentiment in modded spaces

and it's much of the same stuff 'technical' players don't like

with things like no tick view distance also being criticized

[covert latch]

Could Bukkit actually do with reworks and notable improvements though?

[brave radish]

the real technical players are the Paper devs 👀

[twin lagoon]

bukkit is irrelevant

[brave radish]

uh... yeah

[waxen panther]

[brave radish]

Paper hardfork wen

[waxen panther]

never happening

[lament patio]

No tick vd is a godsend

[void void]

imagine paper forking its own forks and making best mc server software

[brave radish]

wat

[void void]

[waxen panther]

Yeah paper should fork purpur so can have flying squids

[brave radish]

.g define shitpost

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shitpost

[golden gust]

spigot is practically on life support these days

Like, most of the people who contribute the real grunti changes have generally moved away from MC or into their niche corners, etc

[covert latch]

That makes sense, people do tend to move on at some point

[void void]

What the

[tropic flame]

Papertopia

[golden gust]

no

just, no

[wispy blade]

hi cat

[golden gust]

go eat a dog poop

[brave radish]

Papercane?

[golden gust]

somebodies getting a cat poop in their stocking

[wispy blade]

wtf

[void void]

Imagine wearing stockings

[wispy blade]

not even on the rug

[void void]

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/primevideo-fE4PZOvuens9ZpNuyY

Huh, I thought I made that a reply

[brave radish]

@void void as CEO of PaperMC, can you capitalize your name right can you tell us hangar wen?

[covert latch]

Still tryin to figure out the tab plugin I should use 🤔

[void void]

Chunky best pregeneration plugin ?

[waxen panther]

hangar will be in beta late 2035

[covert latch]

Yeah chunky is the goto

[brave radish]

probably yeah

[void void]

I am ceo developers will tell you that

[brave radish]

:(

but isn't the CEO supposed to be the one who does the big announcements?

while all the devs work under their feet?

like Tim Apple?

[void void]

[tropic flame]

nah usually you hire a celebrity like Keanu Reeves for that

[magic river]

A real CEO would say it was going to be done in half the time it'll really take, make the developers crunch to meet their arbitrary deadline, then miss it anyway

[void void]

Imagine believing just a nickname

[brave radish]

why wouldn't I? I believe that @waxen panther is anti-jr*y

[waxen panther]

i invented the ceo joke man what are people DOING to it

[void void]

When the ceo is lazy ?

[fervent otter]

keanu big chungus wholesome 100 reddit moment

[magic river]

Just begging for another forced nick change there, eh?

[bright pollen]

thank you for the gold kind stranger

[waxen panther]

jroys nicks have been getting mean lately

[wispy blade]

telling people to read

[brave radish]

but your nick looks like reading books

not reading what's in front of your nose

[fervent otter]

i call dibses on the CEO of racism & gaming titles

[waxen panther]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[magic river]

Is BV an initialism for a registered company in your language or something?

[wispy blade]

yes

[magic river]

Have you google'd BV lately? 😛

[wispy blade]

cat has

i could change it to LLC i guess

there we go

[untold copper]

day #37 of trying to get abs: did a 30 minute full body cardio workout

[void void]

How much chunks should i pregen

[wispy blade]

as much as you can

[brave radish]

none

[void void]

I set worldborder to 100,000

[wispy blade]

generally people recommend a radius of like 10k

[magic river]

[void void]

So according to it 10k radius fine ?

[brave radish]

sure, no reason why not

[elfin gyro]

sm

ex

[brave radish]

can do longer if you want but 10k * 16 is a lot

[void void]

How much time it would take

[magic river]

worldborder is length not distance from spawn iirc (radius and diameter don't make sense, it isn't a circle)

[void void]

1 day ?

[brave radish]

depends on your hardware

[wispy blade]

it took ~9hrs on my FX-6300

[magic river]

So 100,000 would have you able to go out to +/- 50,000

[void void]

Ooooo

[brave radish]

well they didn't say the radius of the WB was 100,000

If you pregen in a radius of 10,000 that would be 10,000 in each direction (going straight)

[tropic flame]

guys

when minecraft is sus!!!!

[wispy blade]

no.

[vestal jasper]

That was literally never funny.

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[wispy blade]

hi michael

[tropic flame]

congratulations, because it is very funny for me

[golden gust]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/new-world-generation-java-available-testing

[void void]

As 1.17.1 has released so should i update to paper latest 1.17 build

[waxen panther]

absolutely

there are exploits on 1.17

[vernal moth]

Running on 1.17 is a hazard

[formal turret]

oh boy, they're changing the entire world instead of just mountains now

exciting

[marble perch]

Is there any plugin like https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/treasurechest-reloaded.1747/ for 1.16?

[limber knot]

running minecraft is a hazard

[void void]

^ Minecraft Plugin developer

Bruh chunky is on 38cps

Eta 11 hours or 11 days

[waxen panther]

starlight

[limber knot]

on my 1GB VM I get 0.5 cps or lower

[void void]

Lmao

[void void]

The format is hours:minute:seconds

Or days hours minutes

30000 chunks processed omg

[limber knot]

yes I do like the sounds of procedural generation

almost as fun as watching an idle clicker game

[worn ember]

ok boomer

[limber knot]

u killed memes

how can u have that in ur name

[worn ember]

more than half the shit in there isnt even remotely funny

[limber knot]

where is there

[void void]

3% done

[limber knot]

do you mean here

[ashen cliff]

Woah. Robo is still alive.

[void void]

Lagassist pregen vs chunky pregen which is better

[olive marlin]

Chunky >

[heady lark]

how does the prompt to migrate mojang accounts look in the launcher

[twin lagoon]

you don't

[peak ginkgo]

All I remember is it's blue.

You can't miss it

[cunning raft]

you'll get an email as well

[heady lark]

oh ok

[peak ginkgo]

You literally cannot miss it

I've done it lmao

i need either a coffee or a beer and i've been awake about 10 minutes

[buoyant pagoda]

I'm using the 'always free eligible' Arm option with the Oracle free tier

Following this method to set up a Minecraft server:
https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/how-to-set-up-and-run-a-really-powerful-free-minecraft-server-in-the-cloud

Is there any way I can install a GUI on my VM for easier file management?

pls ping when replying

[peak ginkgo]

@twin lagoon ^ yo

[waxen panther]

pinging MY michael ?

[twin lagoon]

don't

just use an SFTP client like WinSCP

[lyric hinge]

GUIs on Linux machines are a waste of time and CPU and RAM

[twin lagoon]

right

[lyric hinge]

And something like VNC or xrdp is going to be slower and less responsive than FileZilla lol

[void void]

Is there a good grief prevention plugin for 1.17.1?

[wispy blade]

GriefDefender

[random tide]

Quick question if anyone knows. I am trying to set up hologram leader boards for things such as time played, max mcmmo level, most money, etc. and am kinda stuck. I have holographic displays, papi, and protocollib. I for the most part understand place holders and am trying to set up something like this:

[void void]

It isn't updated for 1.17, I need a land claiming plugin that prevents moss grief

[wispy blade]

disable moss

[void void]

is there a plugin that can automatically demote inactive staff members?

[void void]

uh... what if I don't want to disable it?

[magic river]

What the hell are noodle caves?

Existing caves are already using perlin worms iirc

Cheese is what you get when you try to apply noise as a filter directly to the terrain instead of trying using it to drive a worm

No idea on spaghetti either

We used to get those in alpha though, a bunch of caves would run through each other and the underground would be more air than stone

We called that spaghetti, maybe they're bringing that back

[quasi valley]

long bois with a smaller radius

[potent fossil]

i really need to learn to go to sleep earlier so I can stop being so tired in class lmao

[worn crest]

That's so me 😂

But I have vacation since after today

[queen tusk]

It is

You need to download the build on the Discord

[void void]

can you send me the discord link?

[random tide]

anyone able to answer this :/

[novel horizon]

?

does mcmmo count time or what

you need some plugin too for collecting the statistics

[random tide]

No im saying separate leader boards. One for the top mcmmo level. A separate leader board for time played. Unrelated

[turbid spade]

anyone have like a list of all paper forks

[novel horizon]

and what are you asking, if mcmmo does have placeholders, use them

if not then you need to use some third party plugin probably

idk if papi has them

[waxen panther]

the only ones to care about are tuinity, airplane (probably unnecessary) and purpur (if what flying squids etc)

but, paper has the best support

so if you cant do something on your own, you should stick to paper

[random tide]

purpur runs the best however

[waxen panther]

no it doesn't but sure

[twin lagoon]

[turbid spade]

Thanks lol, I know

[random tide]

paper dones't run better than purpur

[waxen panther]

I didn't say it did

[twin lagoon]

thank you for your opinion

in other news, every 60 seconds a minute passes in africa

[random tide]

Im saying out of the options you gave

[brave radish]

wow really?

[waxen panther]

out of the options i gave purpur does not run the best 😀

[twin lagoon]

it may come to a surprise for some yes

[waxen panther]

i love michael

[twin lagoon]

[untold meadow]

SAME

[twin lagoon]

kezz my beloved

[brave radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/789864790389948436.png?v=1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/789864790389948436.png?v=1

[untold meadow]

michael rocks 10/10 michael

[brave radish]

oops didn't mean to send that; was just seeing if they were from the same server

[random tide]

what runs better. Seriously asking. Ive tried 3/4 and found purpur to be the best

[turbid spade]

I'm writing a paper right now and I want to insert a link like this "bukkit API, which includes bukkit, spigot, paper, and [many other](list of forks) forks"

I'm writing a paper, get it

[random tide]

that was funny and i hate you

[waxen panther]

purpur doesn't add any performance over tuinity, and airplane is a performance fork of tuinity

[untold meadow]

just search for the hundred other times people have written lists of forks with descriptions

[waxen panther]

that said most of the performance over paper comes from tuinity

[turbid spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289587909051416579/838321118162321419/image0.png this is pretty useful, however they don't all implement the Bukkit API, they're just like a tree of different projects

Ex. the whole bungeecord tree

[novel horizon]

wtf is that

it's so bad

[random tide]

But airplane only helps with large player counts and can have some unintended consequences. and while tuinity is the main performance boost over paper purpur does have some optimizations of its own

[novel horizon]

why is there empire minecraft O_o

[random tide]

so everything leads to yaptopia. Time to swtich i guess

[warm anchor]

Got bad news for you bro

[brave radish]

cuz some of that stuff gets put back in Paper and Paper forks like to take EMC's patches too

[olive marlin]

Yatopia is dead bro

[waxen panther]

purpurs performance patches are negligible, and if large player counts dont count then whats your point here

[turbid spade]

was sent by billy

[random tide]

ik im kidding

[novel horizon]

i thought its fork image and that is a server on its own with edits from aikar, so

[waxen panther]

you're not going to have perf problems at low players lol

[novel horizon]

is empire mc downloadable or what lol

[brave radish]

so is Purpur client, it's still on there

[waxen panther]

you can compile it

[novel horizon]

yeah unless you have shitty server or bad config

oh

didnt knew

idk what's there tho so

[turbid spade]

Yeah, lots of the forks are dead

[novel horizon]

let me say

https://sugarcanemc.org

xd

[turbid spade]

it still shows them, also it's a couple months outdated so it doesn't have like Airplane-Purpur and Sugarcane

[brave radish]

that being said, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720375089123688488/856864939460526080/Fork_Graph4.png?width=800&height=600

[novel horizon]

another fork

https://sugarcanemc.org

[turbid spade]

Yeah, Sugarcane's alright

[ancient bolt]

Billy left out CraftBukkit++ and the thing it turned into before it turned into spigot

but i guess it's all the same project

[novel horizon]

yep we need more forks

[magic river]

Woo we just got a social media policy at work

[brave radish]

who looks at Bukkit and says this –_–

[magic river]

A literal reading of it would prevent posting pictures on facebook at a bar or at the beach

[random tide]

my point is that all in all i don't see why you would use paper and especially not tuinity over purpur. Purpur also puts in paper's upstream faster than tuinity does.

[novel horizon]

the people doing all the forks, obviously

[turbid spade]

imo basically yatopia but it doesn't have a shit build system that misleads its users into thinking development builds are production ready

[brave radish]

that doesn't make sense really but ok you do you

[waxen panther]

Tuinity waits 2 weeks to upstream because leaf likes to make sure the patches are good. 99% of people dont need Tuinity, and most people need a lot of support

and support is something that paper is amazing at

[novel horizon]

it's leafs work 😮

[vernal moth]

Your company wanna control off work things? 😂

[lean kiln]

so yatopia but not as bad because their developers write less code

[novel horizon]

ok tuinity is nice

[vernal moth]

I would laugh at their face

[turbid spade]

😂

I guess

[waxen panther]

sugarcane is just Yatopia with a head dev that has even less experience lol

[turbid spade]

I think Yatopia would've done better had they just ported patches

[ancient bolt]

very #infosecbikini vibes

[lean kiln]

yatopia's devs all quit and the least competent ones formed sugarcane

[turbid spade]

Yeah

[lean kiln]

it's actually the yatopia discord mods that made it

not even devs

[waxen panther]

Jerry made some mistakes but he's 100x smarter than the sugarcane team

[turbid spade]

Jerry's a good guy

[cunning raft]

pretty sure cat writes most of sugurcane's patches in #paper-dev

[lean kiln]

[turbid spade]

yep lol

[cunning raft]

because nobody there knows what they are doing

[waxen panther]

[novel horizon]

okay lol ^^

[magic river]

Their reasoning:

No matter how carefully you attempt to keep them separate, the lines between public and private, and personal and professional, are blurred in virtual networking and social media.

[novel horizon]

sounds great cat is nice so sugarcane must be great

[turbid spade]

That's insane

[ancient bolt]

they can fuck off

they pay you for the work you do, not to own your life

god fuck that shit

[vernal moth]

Yeah that shit wouldn't fly here

[magic river]

Welcome to at will employment

[waxen panther]

what country are you in amaranth?

[magic river]

US of course

[turbid spade]

That's on par with companies asking for medical records and doctors notes for calling in sick

[waxen panther]

ah, of course

[ancient bolt]

where else is shit like that legal

[novel horizon]

you mean the country of FREEDOM?

[vernal moth]

Any attempt to implement that would cause backlash of the workers council

[golden gust]

as I say, pretty sure I killed a sugar feature because I didn't wanna answer some questions in #paper-dev

[turbid spade]

rip

[cunning raft]

[magic river]

That reminds me, was it machine that was trying to port my old logout cooldown stuff to modern MC?

[turbid spade]

Was kinda a kek moment when Purpur banned Sugarcane's team from their Discord and then they ported their patches

[cunning raft]

they didn't port their patches

they pressed control+v

[turbid spade]

Tru

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-gif-18913147

[golden gust]

I mean, yat's big thing was that they where porting patches from the optimisation mods, etc, issue is that they didn't understand how the patches worked so it seems and so tryna integrate it into the server kinda blew

[potent fossil]

so yeah yatopiav2. merge it all, without understanding it, and then advert best perf

[golden gust]

many of the patches in optimization mods are fun but many of them are kinda flawed as they don't expect plugins or theres a much better way to do it cos we don't gotta care toooo hard about retaining compat, etc

[quasi valley]

I also love how sugarcane wants to be better than Yatopia but has literally copy pasted patches prone to extremely obvious concurrency issues again

[novel horizon]

yeah its bad forks mostly so whatever

some people will be like <insertforkhere> IS THE BEST and also BEST PERFORMANCE

[waxen panther]

sadarcane wen @quasi valley

[novel horizon]

happycane?

[waxen panther]

@quasi valley don’t thinkang me

[novel horizon]

new fork broccolia ❤️

[wispy blade]

@quasi valley uwu

[waxen panther]

@minor badge please get a hold of our kenny

[minor badge]

@waxen panther ok

[turbid spade]

I'm going to be honest..

While you're absolutely right in them porting patches

They're putting a lot of hard work into the project

[novel horizon]

everyone is putting a lot of work to their things

but if it sucks 🤷‍♂️

and they won't listen to help from anyone

[turbid spade]

And personally, I haven't seen a single person actually mention a specific patch or issue with Sugarcane that has been neglected.

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge mari pog?

[turbid spade]

Like if people actually reported problems instead of talking shit "oh they have bad patches".. lol

[novel horizon]

they do

they behave badly

some of the devs behave like shit

[turbid spade]

Okay, have you tried out Sugarcane and actually tested that the patch is behaving poorly in Sugarcane, though? I mean you can't just say something doesn't work because it hasn't worked before.. In Yatopia

[warm anchor]

wut

[turbid spade]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi valley]

we don't need to report bugs if there are VERY obvious issues with their patches

that's their problem, AGAIN like Yatopia's, not ours

[turbid spade]

Right.

But also, what issues lol

[lean kiln]

why are we still talking about trash software

this is paper discord

[turbid spade]

Because we're Paper :P

[quasi valley]

I told you. and if the devs can't figure out what patch exactly I was referring to, then they shouldn't be copy pasting Yatopia patches

or porting optimization mods for that matter

[warm anchor]

paper is best!

[turbid spade]

I mean you never really told me what patch but alr

[golden gust]

I mean, they're not contributing to us, we're not gonna spend time tracking down issues in forks to report it to them

[lean kiln]

"porting" do you mean copy pasting bits of code until it stops crashing

[turbid spade]

That makes perfect sense

[golden gust]

I've had enough bs from them when telling them that a patch was blatently dangerous

[twin lagoon]

stickers in papermc when

[turbid spade]

Those are from paper?

[warm anchor]

Michael teach zzzcat how to add them

[golden gust]

I told them that a patch was blatently dangerous, one of their devs started on a rant from how if their patch is unsafe how can async chunks ever be safe?!

[twin lagoon]

cat add stickers

[golden gust]

That was about a month before they removed the patch as people where complaining their player data was being deleted

[warm anchor]

zcat ptsd moment

[haughty bear]

has anyone figured out where all of these steam scams are coming from? I've seen so many in another server, and they're popping up here as well

[brave radish]

The people who run 100 players disagree lol

[turbid spade]

anyways, yeah that's fair.. But there's a fine line between pointing out "hey this is breaking shit fix this" and just bullying inexperienced teenagers with a hobbies

[lean kiln]

those have existed since steam has

[formal turret]

no can u explain some more

[queen tusk]

You may, server owners won’t

[turbid spade]

😂

[warm anchor]

report the user account to mods. They are like chian mails. Those may be user who clicked the link and got their account hijacked.

[formal turret]

oh thank you i get it now

[brave radish]

inexperienced teenagers with a hobby who advertise their software to be one day used in production

[quasi valley]

take 10 minutes to read through https://github.com/kennytv/Yaptapia if you think any of what we are doing is "bullying"

[haughty bear]

I've been seing a lot more recently

[lean kiln]

inexperienced people shouldn't publish things they don't understand as if it's something people should actually use

[golden gust]

then why are you here?

[haughty bear]

waiting for someone to come up with a regex to block these 😄

[warm anchor]

they have been there since the beginning of time as jmp said

[turbid spade]

It's not what you did. It's what wasn't encouraged, but not necessarily discouraged

[golden gust]

Cool, we don't care

[lean kiln]

people put large warnings on better tested software

[quasi valley]

neither Yatopia nor Sugarcane are advertised as "hobby projects", so everything they get from here is just a response to the false promises they make

[turbid spade]

Paper's userbase straight up told people to kill themselves over a f*ing block game lmfao

[queen tusk]

I assume you’re just a player, why do you care what software the servers you play on use?

[turbid spade]

It's absolutely not you guys, you're amazing developers and people.

[potent fossil]

core team kinda...does speak for the project

[turbid spade]

But

[potent fossil]

that's why...they're core team

[turbid spade]

the community

[warm anchor]

Again, why are we talking about fork on paper

[turbid spade]

Well it's being discussed in off-topic so /shrug

[potent fossil]

alright well this is a very low effort shit tier troll, im absolutely not wasting my time on this

[queen tusk]

It’s a troll ig

[turbid spade]

anyways Imma make a sandwich

[quasi valley]

obviously users telling these devs to kill themselves or calling them names is bad

[turbid spade]

cya guys

[lean kiln]

"Paper's userbase" is a misnomer here

we ban those types

[golden gust]

I've literally never seen somebody here say that

[lean kiln]

and that yeah

[golden gust]

and we do ban people who intentionally run out to attack other servers

We're pretty well known for banning people for doing that stuff in the community as a whole

[turbid spade]

That's good news, this has been an interesting conversation

tru

its as simple as diss

https://tenor.com/view/discord-rules-no-hate-speech-c-walk-wc-gif-19937751

xd

[minor badge]

we do not guarantee free speech lmao

[golden gust]

We do

You have the freedom to say whatever you want

You are however not free from the consequences

[turbid spade]

I think people should be able to have as open a conversation as they want, just dont be arses

[golden gust]

if you break the rules, you will suffer the side-effects

[minor badge]

fair enough

[turbid spade]

👍

[golden gust]

The rules basically boil down to "don't be a cunt"

[turbid spade]

lol

[limber knot]

with many extras attached

[turbid spade]

I'm all out of mayo

[potent fossil]

(it's true, but they use the work jerk instead of cunt because they're afraid of appearing too bri'ish)

[golden gust]

I mean

[turbid spade]

Yes

[golden gust]

It's only a prison stay between being british and australian

[turbid spade]

First get a jar

Patrick that's mayonnaise

[golden gust]

I still always wind my aussy mates up by calling it prisoner island

[lean kiln]

yeah but australians are criminals

[wispy blade]

nop

[golden gust]

That's literally the history of it

I mean, idk the full story of it all, but, that's where we shipped our prisioners to

[lean kiln]

that type of thing tends to happen when people colonize places

[vernal moth]

Why do we even allow ppl with new discord accounts on this server?

[turbid spade]

Just wait till you hear what canada and the us have done to their indigenous

[cunning raft]

#politics

not here

[vernal moth]

It always ends in low effort trolling

[merry talon]

oh boy

[turbid spade]

Thanks

Pg & J or dry turkey with no cheese 😔

[golden gust]

I miss the old days of the internet

trolls which actually tried 😦

[vernal moth]

Yeah, it's so sad

[warm anchor]

lol

[golden gust]

Like, tell me something more enjoyable than a classic top quality troll?

[vernal moth]

Trolling is supposed to be an art

[turbid spade]

Swatters aren't Trolls™️

I cant tell you how many times ive been told im gonna be swatted on xbox live

[vernal moth]

Swatters are criminals

[golden gust]

I mean, that's not a troll

that's literally just being a trash-tier human

[turbid spade]

Agreed, i feel like the media always calls them "internet trolls" tho

[warm anchor]

your first mistake is taking whatever media says without thinking

[turbid spade]

💯

Honey is stuck at bottom bc someone didn't put it upside-down like YOURE SUPPOSED TO

[nova plume]

wot

u good?

[turbid spade]

Nop

[nova plume]

understandable

[turbid spade]

Crunchy peanut butter be god-tier

[potent fossil]

Get a cup of hot water and submerge the honey in it, the crystallized junk at the bottom will melt back into liquid

Honey bottle that is

[turbid spade]

Hmm

Let me try that, thank you!

[potent fossil]

True story

[frank otter]

if your not feeling much like it you can always just mix it into a hot tea if it needs sugar

that's what I do and it works for me

[potent fossil]

They can't get the honey out of the bottle is the problem

[frank otter]

Oh ok

yeah melt that stuff

[nova plume]

get a hammer

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn7Gqv9vIgQ

[turbid spade]

Wut

[wispy blade]

rpi gets crypto values -> sends them out through pins as control voltage -> converted to sine wave you can hear

[potent fossil]

lol

[turbid spade]

Wow

Btw ginple

Gimple

Ura legend

[potent fossil]

😎

[turbid spade]

Did you guys hear Vegas it 54C/130F the other day

[potent fossil]

The coolest summer of the rest of our lives

[turbid spade]

That makes it the hottest air temperature ever recorded

😔

[fervent otter]

I dont think anyone outside of nevada knows it

[potent fossil]

it's not just nevada getting hot

canada got so hot a small fire burned down an entire town

right near kash actually

[turbid spade]

thats sad

[potent fossil]

won't be long before humans are either extinct or living entirely in underground cities

[fervent otter]

its hot as hell everywhere far as i'm concerned

[turbid spade]

Climate change is a real fucker

[potent fossil]

it's not like we haven't been screaming at the top of our lungs about it since the 70s

[fervent otter]

yo mamas basement count?

[potent fossil]

while the corps say "it aint real"

[turbid spade]

Ikr

Apparently like 300 have died in the past week from the heat wave

[potent fossil]

We live in California, we don't have basements

Shit would sink

[fervent otter]

tell me a corporation that outright denies it

[turbid spade]

You think the corps do anything about it?

[vernal moth]

Any oil company? 😂

[turbid spade]

No they act like they're doing something and do as little as possible

[potent fossil]

Literally every company that survives based on burning fossil fuel denies it and funds climate denial

So yes, any oil company, most car companies, lots of pharma

Not sure what point that was making but you failed

[turbid spade]

Pharma companies denying it is just out right messed up

[fervent otter]

muh big scary corporations, i doubt most outright deny any sort of climate change cause its just not good for marketing

[worn ember]

this dude tho

[potent fossil]

the fuck lmao

[turbid spade]

big storm here wow

been going on since 10 am, its 3

[potent fossil]

Companies can say whatever they want to say. They'll spit out blatantly false shit just to up their clicks, views, interactions, and possibly sales. But the kicker is that no company can be "for" climate change (and is therefore against climate change) when their political spending is such that it's clear their money is going to places attempting to silence climate activism

It's like, no shit, of course they won't go out on a soapbox and tell everyone they're against it. They'd get run out of town. They do it quietly.

But anyway this is quickly spiralling towards #politics territory so feel free to go there, but I've got a dr appt to go to shortly so I'll reply later if at all

[warm anchor]

simple pls concentrate on the class

[potent fossil]

im not in class

[left swift]

Woo minecraft realms yeaaaa

[fervent otter]

as technology gets more efficient, and we get less dependent of fossil fuels, add on top that the public awareness of climate change, we can safely assume warmer weather ain't gonna kill us all any time soon

[meager tusk]

Never forget coca cola used hitmen

[fervent otter]

we will only have to deal w warmer weather

[potent fossil]

no we'll likely survive and so will our children, that's always been known. It's not going to be fun though. After that though, it's likely to go downhill really fast.

[fervent otter]

balances out, no need to have such a defeatist attitude

[warm anchor]

I am picturing simple with kids

[meager tusk]

big mistake

[twin lagoon]

IDRIZ!

BRO!

[meager tusk]

BRO!

[potent fossil]

defeatist? I don't feel defeated, I feel angry that this has been a problem for 50 years with no substantial action

I can't do much at a personal level about it though

[cunning raft]

please continue in #politics if you'd like to

[fervent otter]

home

[potent fossil]

im fine with that, but about to head to dr appt any minute. waiting for a ride

[ashen cliff]

Idriz, did you ass experimental snapshot support to KGBViaPS yet?

[meager tusk]

I never ass experimental snapshot support bro.

But I did add it.

[ashen cliff]

Good.

[left swift]

Ass adding

[void void]

It doesn’t work on 1.16.5 properly throws a lot of bugs and doesn’t load a config

[worn ember]

excuse me what

[formal turret]

[meager tusk]

FUCK

[warm anchor]

A mature player base + whitelist with an application and voice interview to join is best AC

Virtually no performance impact

[marble niche]

hola

[meager tusk]

hello

[twin lagoon]

bonjour

[unreal quarry]

i didnt make that graph :p

[unreal quarry]

thats not at all what purpur is...

[warm anchor]

Chicken you are now fired!

[brave radish]

too late

[warm anchor]

We will put you back in some PR training class so you can do better job in the future

[olive marlin]

ZCM could really learn a lot from the CEO of Oracle PR

[brave radish]

excuse you? I'm the one who hired the CEO of Oracle PR

[olive marlin]

excuse you? I'm the one who nominated EterNity as the CEO of Oracle PR

[meager tusk]

EterNity? CEO of Oracle PR? Makes sense.

[olive marlin]

Idriz - CEO of Balkans?

[brave radish]

brb searching message history for "CEO of Oracle PR"

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[brave radish]

I was first :)

unless Prof_Bloodstone said it in some secret channel, that is 👀

[olive marlin]

Why does Paper have to be like this

Stop adding trailing spaces!

[olive marlin]

I don't think I did, but I did change EterNity's nick after I saw someone say it 😉

[vernal moth]

Blame sneakyaml

[olive marlin]

I also need to finally PR patch that allows disabling that stupid random-sorting of server.properties and injecting the date.

[brave radish]

and that someone was me 🙂

[lean kiln]

disabling injecting the date I think is not possible with the default properties writer

have to use a custom one

I might be remembering wrong though

[olive marlin]

Idk, haven't looked into it. Just annoyed that each my commit updating config also has update to server.properties

[lean kiln]

could probably just add an option to not write back if the file already exists

saves the need for manually writing out properties

[olive marlin]

But then new options won't be added?

But that's good enough, I guess. Only need to update them on vanilla updates.

[prime hawk]

Hiii, any known dupes that work on the newest release of paper 1.16.5?

Some of my players (of the server that is soon to release), are a little too cocky? They seem to be very positive they will be able to dupe anything instantly

Like carpets

[brave radish]

@ Kevin mentioned he had suspicions of one but there are none AFAIK

[prime hawk]

And im a little scared

[brave radish]

well there was one bug with carpet duping a while ago

but it's been fixed and the fix is on by default

ensure allow-piston-duplication is set to false in paper.yml

[broken rampart]

There's no publicly known dupes for 1.16.5 atm

[merry talon]

welp...

[warm anchor]

Hello sweepy thank you for choosing oracle. You can speed up this process by submit your blood sample to oracle HQ

[merry talon]

mfw I have to use oracle linux

[brave radish]

you don't

You can use Ubuntu, just not the minimal image

[merry talon]

oh

[brave radish]

Go set it to full 20.04 and it'll let you

idr what other OSs they even have aside from Windows though

[merry talon]

cool thx

[turbid spade]

Very off-topic, has anyone here every heard of or used Minestom

It's kind of epic

multithreaded n stuff

[minor badge]

@untold meadow time to show up!

[turbid spade]

doesn't implement the bukkit api or use any mojang code

:o

[twin lagoon]

for your standard mc server it's kinda useless

for a lobby server or something, maybe

[untold meadow]

yes

if you want to make an smp server you would be dumb af to use it

[vernal moth]

It's the kinda stuff you can only use if you got a dev team

[untold meadow]

but if you want to make a lobby or minigame server id rec it over paper/etc if you know how to code

i mean personally, i wouldn't recommend it for anything other than hobby servers until the api is more stable

[twin lagoon]

kezz

[untold meadow]

there are massive breaking changes constantly which is a good thing as there are a lot of breaking changes needed but if you're not willing or able to keep up with that then just wait

[limber knot]

eww, rocket league removed family sharing on steam -.-

[untold meadow]

michael my saviour

[limber knot]

actually why is only one game showing up in the shared library?

I wonder if steam messed something up there lol

[tropic flame]

lol epic has been removing shit ever since they bought rocket league

first it was linux support

[twin lagoon]

epic games

[vernal moth]

Epic is epic

[warm anchor]

epic

free nitro!

[twin lagoon]

epic is cancer

[tropic flame]

the only reason I got epic is for the free games

[warm anchor]

litearlly buying customer base

well that's what they wanted logic

[vernal moth]

Epic is doing so much good for the industry

[warm anchor]

They can then go back to investor and say "look we've gained X million users, give us more money"

[twin lagoon]

their engine is the only good thing

the rest can fuck right off

[warm anchor]

I dont think theri model is a good thing

[vernal moth]

They investing into open source projects

Like blender, godot and stuff

[limber knot]

how about investing into linux gaming?

[vernal moth]

I don't give a shit about the store, lol

[limber knot]

oh right, their CEO is a shithead that hates linux lmao

[warm anchor]

They are also paying off game dev to remove access of their games on other platforms such as rocket league

[vernal moth]

Nobody cares about Linux gaming

[untold meadow]

linux gaming hahaaaaaaga

[twin lagoon]

linux gaming is a waste of time at the moment but there's no reason to remove support when it worked fine

[nova plume]

wsl gaming kek

[limber knot]

if they replace the CEO with someone who is reasonable...

and doesn't go on random twitter rants

[brave radish]

Linux gaming brings the year of the Linux desktop even closer 🦾

[vernal moth]

Tim is the reason why epic is where it is today

[untold meadow]

tbf there are a lot of games i play really regularly that work beautifully on linux

[vernal moth]

He is also the majority shareholder

[limber knot]

yes, mini

new CEO culls mac gaming due to ancient feud

that's the issue

[vernal moth]

So good luck getting rid of him

[untold meadow]

it's definitely a hell of a lot better than it used to be

[limber knot]

he is the reason they are where they are at lmao

which is: everyone hates Epic

[warm anchor]

[vernal moth]

If everybody would hate them, they wouldn't be so successful

Just a dum vocal minority

[warm anchor]

sometimes its hard to take him seriously if you read his twitter post

[pallid edge]

uh what's the issue with Epic? They removed linux support from unreal engine or what?

[limber knot]

you can hate a company while still enjoying parts of their products

[vernal moth]

No

[limber knot]

they removed linux/mac support from Rocket League and pulled it from Steam

[vernal moth]

I can enjoy a company while hating some of their actions

[brave radish]

cough cough @warm anchor cough cough

[limber knot]

they also killed Unreal Tournament 4

[untold meadow]

from a pure casual consumer standpoint (which is epic's market) the egl and all the free shit they give is great

[twin lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/ij48bf/rfuckepic_for_dummies_2020_edition/

[vernal moth]

Ut4 was never more than a hobby project for epic

[warm anchor]

tfw someone write a fucking paper

[limber knot]

the free shit is just marketing

[untold meadow]

no shit phoenix

[limber knot]

well if anything they could've left UT4 in a usable state instead of patching it to death

just let the fans play the alpha ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal moth]

It's open source tho

[limber knot]

no it's not

[vernal moth]

Source provided

Whatever

[limber knot]

it's "available source"

youc an't distribute modified versions

and pretty sure they would sue you to death if you would try to distribute a patcher

[vernal moth]

You can distribute mods

[warm anchor]

Thank you michael for this insightful post, I now reenforced my hate for epic even more!

[limber knot]

(besides the fact that the repo doesn't even build anymore iirc)

well whatever, I really only wanted to play one or two rounds of RL again for old time's sake but I guess that's not happening lol

refunded it back when they removed linux support lol

[fervent otter]

get free game of epic
wanna buy dlc
get game on steam
profit

[vernal moth]

I played the alpha when it was first announced, it was fun for a few rounds

Oh you mean rocket league

[limber knot]

tf does RL stand for otherwise?

[vernal moth]

It's late

[warm anchor]

sleep now mini!

[vernal moth]

I will

[limber knot]

sleep is overrated

[fervent otter]

dayum, i assumed you were in NA cus of the politics stuff

the more you know

[limber knot]

did someone say POLITICS?!? >:P

[warped pier]

When is 1.17.10 gonna be out on paper

[nova plume]

It is

[warped pier]

Fr

Where

[fervent otter]

few days after 1.17.10

[warped pier]

Oh

[fervent otter]

currently you can get it for 1.17.1

[limber knot]

the real question is: when is 1.7.10 out for paper?

runs

[warped pier]

I'm tryna play on my server but then it said my server was out of date bc I'm playing on 1.17.10

[fervent otter]

you living in the future

[twin lagoon]

are you using bedrock

because then you'll want to ask geyser

not paper

[nova plume]

why is there a trailing 0 (bedrock maybe idk)

[limber knot]

pretty sure bedrock uses the same versioning scheme

[nova plume]

idts

[twin lagoon]

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4404454406285-Minecraft-1-17-10-Bedrock-

[limber knot]

[fervent otter]

bedrock players can join 1.17.1 servers

[twin lagoon]

not officially with paper

that would be geyser

[limber knot]

wtf. did they do with the bedrock versions lol

[warped pier]

e

[fervent otter]

there was an issue like that for a few days, but after a day or two it got fixed

[vernal moth]

I made is pretty clear that I am German, lol

[nova plume]

He is always drunk

[brave radish]

@warped pier , if you're still having problems, cuz idek anymore, you can ask in #paper-help

[fervent otter]

drinking age is 16 there so there is a culture

[warm anchor]

you can drink at home at whatever age

[limber knot]

proper drinking age is 18 though

[fervent otter]

not in germany

[limber knot]

I am German and refering to Germany

[warm anchor]

tfw

[limber knot]

don't call beer and whine "alcohol" lol

[vernal moth]

Beer and wine is 16

[fervent otter]

i see isee

those aint alcohol?

[warm anchor]

those are like waters

to them

😉

[nova plume]

I think i might get my German speaking exam results back tmrw

[limber knot]

anything below 50% is technically not mostly alcohol :P

[vernal moth]

Beer is just liquid bread

[fervent otter]

so only like

vodka is considered alcoholic?

[nova plume]

My teacher said ask a question and I asked “did u smoke when u were in school” cos the prompt was rauchen

[limber knot]

ok?

[fervent otter]

i dont get it

[nova plume]

rauchen is smoke in german

my teacher is like 90 smth idek

she was mad

[limber knot]

yes but what's the joke?

why would she be mad?

[nova plume]

cos she really hates that sort of stuff lol

drinking, smoking etc

[fervent otter]

mad? triggered?
infuriated perhaps?

[limber knot]

I'm clearly not

also it's a pretty harmless question lol

[fervent otter]

friends w owner?

but hey

[brave radish]

IRC bridge

[fervent otter]

thats just a game theory

[limber knot]

I mean it's clearly not a bot so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fervent otter]

we'll if you are, you're very well written

[brave radish]

for those of you wondering: phoenix is actually my bot, I just use the account to talk some times

[nova plume]

📠 no printer

[wheat quarry]

[fervent otter]

make sure to call up sam from samsung, i might know some ppl who could pay a pretty penny for a chance to talk w sam

[nova plume]

ononono

[fervent otter]

if there's profit to be made, there is profit to be made

[nova plume]

does “profit” include the r34 stuff

[fervent otter]

i might now a couple artists, and i'm half decent myself, maybe

though from what i heard

only furries bring in da real $$$

[nova plume]

lmao

[haughty bear]

god I love gitlab. try to change default branch, I only see my old default branch and no others. look up issue, no results ❤️

[nova plume]

||use bitbucket||

runs

[haughty bear]

im not spigot

[nova plume]

lmao

[waxen panther]

imagine being in spigot

[warm anchor]

how to tell someone uses gitlab

they will actively tell you about it

[grave rover]

i use gitlab btw

[haughty bear]

no that's arch

btw i use arch

[twin lagoon]

easier would be MR

[grave rover]

proceeds to elaborate on why linux is better in every aspect for the next 4.2 hours

[waxen panther]

gitlabs ui is 🥲

[twin lagoon]

hello brocc shut up

did NOT ask for your opinion brocc

[fervent otter]

it just is

[waxen panther]

yes you DID

[peak ginkgo]

we literally just had a gitlab discussion

stop

[warm anchor]

Dejay why do you like gitlab

[waxen panther]

yes and i was replying to that conversation

i dont see any conversation inbetween it

[twin lagoon]

only reason you should use github is for opensource projects because it's social media at this point !

good bye !

[waxen panther]

and i was 1 minute after the previous message about it

so ?

[grave rover]

and it looks pretty

[waxen panther]

gitlabs ci stuff is amazing

the ui for mr's is rough tho

[twin lagoon]

the dark theme looks like hot solarized shit

gitlab's UI is pretty rough here and there that is true

[brave radish]

I actually like the look of Gitea more than GitHub but ah well

[twin lagoon]

still waiting for github's redesign

[brave radish]

what's wrong with it now?

It's not that bad

[grave rover]

never used Gitea

[twin lagoon]

it's obviously coming sooner or later

[brave radish]

there's really no point unless you need to self-host for some reason

[grave rover]

I use Gogs though

[brave radish]

dunno what that is

[grave rover]

same thing but blue, I think

[brave radish]

Gogs is a painless self-hosted Git service

k so why though

[cunning raft]

if you don't use github you are not cool

you are not special

[grave rover]

why the heck not lol

[brave radish]

I dunno what GitLab people have against GH aside from the Maven thing

tbf GitHub is drunk sometimes but it's nice

I was referring to that by "the Maven thing" but yeah there's also the separation of issues from code and PRs and stuff

[limber knot]

papier!

[grave rover]

ppr

[median wolf]

I'm confused as to what the problem is
It worked with a test account, and it worked before

[brave radish]

Someone in #paper-help had that happen to them today. They were behind Bungee though.

[lavish siren]

don't use whitelist and just make your port really random, nobody will guess right?

[limber knot]

is there an easy wey for me to get Bukkit sources available in IDE? or

*way

[median wolf]

Well, I wanna make the server semi-public, and I had two random users fail to connect at one point, even though it's currently a random IP and port

[limber knot]

try adding to whitelist from console instead of DiscordSRV console, perhaps?

[brave radish]

Bukkit as in actual CraftBukkit?

[limber knot]

well, I wanted to make an improved /plugins command and I'm pretty sure that's in Bukkit not CraftBukkit

so; Bukkit

[grave rover]

are you running offline mode

[median wolf]

I had it ticked it on to do some testing because I'm too poor to have 2 accounts

[grave rover]

intentional or not, whitelist doesn't work well on offline mode

[brave radish]

well are you trying to PR to Spigot? cuz otherwise just use Paperweight

[grave rover]

for it to work, you need to disable whitelist, have the user to join, add them to the whitelist while they are in-game and then turn the whitelist back on

[brave radish]

that shouldn't be necessary though

cuz they did it by UUID in the top bit, not by name

[grave rover]

its been a long while since i ran a server in offline mode, but i dont recall uuids working like that either

[brave radish]

and the UUID matches the one that logged in