it was practically a fresh install
#general
golden gust
magic mesa
sounds good
astral linden
oh like fork of a fork of a fork of a fork?
magic mesa
let's get on that
golden gust
the speed of atoms startup was literally known to be a complete cancerfest
void void
hey even emacs managed to solve it in 3 different ways
void void
hey even emacs managed to solve it in 3 different ways
- emacs client/daemon architecture
- compiling lisp to binaries
- state dumper (but worked only on linux)
faint crystal
goskript pog
astral linden
^
void void
why would you ever write skript...
faint crystal
im creating the org and repo
astral linden
its not Skript its GoSkript
magic mesa
He legit is lol
golden gust
who wants to port paper over to scala with me?
void void
cat, kotlin would be better option
that'll piss off a lot of people here
porting to scala would be a suicide trip, by the time you get it done scala will be unmaintained
golden gust
kotlin would make me much happier...
scala would push me to jump off a cliff which would be a final happy ending however..
faint crystal
astral linden
π
void void
https://github.com/GOSkriptTeam/GOSkript
best time to delete this was before posting; second best time is now
faint crystal
π
astral linden
lol
cunning raft
wtf is GoSkript
thorny rivet
https://github.com/GabrielMajeri/kotlin-rust what in all seven hells is this
golden gust
sounds like your kinda thing
cunning raft
go back to your rug
faint crystal
wtf is GoSkript
π
cunning raft
ok
faint crystal
Your new nightmare
cunning raft
ok
void void
don't worry it'll die in next few months or so
void void
https://github.com/GabrielMajeri/kotlin-rust what in all seven hells is this
that's nothing
now this is some next level thing
metaprogramming allows you to do wild stuff
thorny rivet
I mean, using jni to use rust in itself sounds like an interesting thing
chunk generation or something
void void
it's not considerably more interesting than writing JNI library in C++ or C tbfh
rust is just another language what allows you to do this
π€·ββοΈ
thorny rivet
technically yes
thorny rivet
yes, provided you can cope with the compiler/rust itself. I've heard someone proclaim that those that understand why their rust program doesn't compile, would be kinda eligble to write sane c++ code as well
void void
i'd say rust is easier to pick up than c++
void void
well probably also less footguns
well ok, definitely; unless you really love to use weird shit like https://crates.io/crates/fake-static
thorny rivet
It's more canonical I guess, like in c++ there are thousands of ways doing it
different std's, boost, some copied solution from SO
void void
if you want to write code in c++ without boost, you're going to have quite a hard time imo
std doesn't have much batteries included at all
good luck when you aren't even on latest c++ standard
void void
damn that's very funny bro
thorny rivet
Cargos go a long way, yep. But then not being linked against is also fun, like you need to build everything locally
void void
mnyeah
thorny rivet
I think openSSL was a fancy thing on Windows
faint crystal
https://github.com/GOSkriptTeam what do you guys think abt our logo
faint crystal
what
cosmic raft
logo, sillies
swift root
you can bypass discord cache by adding ?1 to the url lol
cosmic raft
uncached by adding ?1
faint crystal
doesn't work for me it's cached
golden gust
WORKED WELL
cosmic raft
works here :p
thorny rivet
Same, not working here π
swift root
worked for me too haha
faint crystal
swift root
faint crystal
still nop
cosmic raft
swift root
darn
vernal moth
That's not how the cache works
swift root
is for me :PPPPPPPPPPPPP https://i.imgur.com/lcjQNtk.png
golden gust
DISCODO GO BRRR
vernal moth
Would need to change the url of the file linked in the GitHub response
cosmic raft
has always worked liked that for me before :p
marble niche
mspaint rule34
void void
no
wispy blade
no
thorny rivet
does the most recent intelliJ also fuckup readme/markdown rendering for you?
apparently it's even so broken that the notifications aren't referesh/cleared
void void
isn't md rendering provided via plugin?
thorny rivet
it is, but it says bundled 211.7628.27 (in this case it's CLion anyway, but I could swear I saw that on IntelliJ as well)
brave radish
I think I should run a 1.12 server as a honey pot that will tweet every time someone dupes or crashes just so people get off 1.12 π€
void void
people don't care
warm anchor
that will probably make your server even more popular!
1.12 dupe allowed, no rule, anarchy!
ivory jay
hmmm, been waiting ages for papermc 1.17 release, but after the release, me:
Hummm, It is so, so, I have nothing to do again, guess I will have to wait for 1.18
potent fossil
hi kash
warm anchor
hi kashi
potent fossil
jfc lmao
im cringing
in my art class people are finishing up giving presentations about their self portrait collages and this chick just went and was going off about her desire to travel to south korea and the art prof goes "why such interest in SK?"
because BTS is there
SHOOT ME
ancient bolt
behind the scenes?
tropic flame
that sounds like a presentation for an english class
potent fossil
No, idk what BTS stands for but it's a KPOP band
tropic flame
in a non-english speaking country
void void
boys that shit
potent fossil
.g bts kpop
tropic flame
boys that shit
Boys That're Shit
potent fossil
oh thats right my vps is ded, thx oracle
ancient bolt
I mean, wanting to see an artist you like is a perfectly reasonable reason to want to travel
tropic flame
true
potent fossil
i have no issue with travelling to see an artist but when it becomes your entire personality i start to get a little worried
ancient bolt
do you know her enough to know it's her entire personality?
potent fossil
every sentence was about south korea
ancient bolt
so maybe that's what her presentation was focused on?
potent fossil
okay well we appear to be in a mood here right now, so i will head back to class, enjoy whatever discussion was occurring prior
waxen panther
lol
void void
simple try to be more tolerant of people's preferences next time
dim monolith
in my art class people are finishing up giving presentations about their self po...
lool
faint crystal
oops
ancient bolt
yeah core is rewriting paper in rust
lament patio
Adding @ before any word here is risky business
golden gust
still waiting for a single written from scratch server to get even close to feature parity with vanilla
ancient bolt
well im first going to write a java to rust converter
then just run it over all of paper, ezpz
true canyon
Convert it to kotlin and then compile it to js please.
faint crystal
π
ancient bolt
oh you want to run a minecraft server in the browser? shouldn't be hard
what could possibly go wrong
main sorrel
the performance will blow your mind
true canyon
Chrome plus MC server should negate each other's obscene RAM usage right?
main sorrel
yeah
ancient bolt
yeah chrome should optimize it all away
running a server in a browser is silly. Instead, we'll run the server inside nodejs
main sorrel
run it in firefox and you'll be golden
ancient bolt
then run the client in the browser
prime hawk
hi guys, do I need to allocate 4gb of ram for 1.16.5 paper localhost server?
bcs someone is saying that 2gbs would be too few
just a test server
but seems to be working fine for me
true canyon
You're right, Den, I don't know what I was thinking.
faint crystal
fuck it vim script minecraft server software
main sorrel
running a server in a browser is silly. Instead, we'll run the server inside nod...
ah yes. we love node
golden gust
2GB for a small server is fine
faint crystal
fuck it vim script minecraft server software
is that possible?
prime hawk
and for one person?
golden gust
Where there is a will, there is a way
main sorrel
and for one person?
yes. 2GB is more than enough
faint crystal
fuck it Minecraft OS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaILnmUYS_U
prime hawk
just asking out of curiosity
true canyon
Theoretically if you run it yourself you can get it started on 1GB. I've seen plenty of server hosts 1GB plans fail to start newer servers though let alone handle someone logging in.
quasi valley
disable spawn chunk loading and set view distance to 2
ancient bolt
just never keep anything in memory
faint crystal
ancient bolt
need to break a block? open the region file, load the chunk, change the block, save the file
need to load a chunk for the client's view distance? read the file, send the packets, close it
faint crystal
Dream minecraft chalenge
astral linden
Write minecraft server in Chromium
ancient bolt
every entity tick does the same process
ashen cliff
*disable spawn chunk loading and set view distance to 2*
Bro. But that would break ProtocolSupport bro.
quasi valley
true
astral linden
:}
quasi valley
can't do that then
ancient bolt
so it's ProtocolUnsupport then
ashen cliff
Just run a JS Linux VM in Firefox and install Java.
void void
just never keep anything in memory
tmpfs enters the chat
pfft just make server software which stores packets directly on disk
faint crystal
use disk as memory
void void
and then just use sendfile or...
what was that alternative
splice, there we go
client requests a chunk?
char *fname = malloc(PATH_MAX);
sprintf(fname, PATH_MAX-1, "%s/%d.%d.chunk", base, x, z);
int cfd = open(fname, O_READ);
size_t chunk_sz = 0; // TODO: calculate somehow
splice(cfd, 0, clientfd, 0, chunk_sz);
ez
brave radish
There a good reason I shouldn't store my world files in git aside from "rdiffbackup is better?"
ancient bolt
why would you use git for that
i mean feel free, do whatever you want, just like
not the right tool for the job
void void
git lfs
olive marlin
Git doesn't store changes, it stores whole files.
ancient bolt
Git doesn't store changes, it stores whole files.
that's both incorrect and correct at the same time
golden gust
it just stores a copy of the full file as-is each time it's changed
ancient bolt
git is very complicated, but also very efficient
golden gust
for LFS it stores the full file seperately iirc
ancient bolt
with binary files though it can't really optimize that
yeah LFS doesn't have any optimizations, except for the massive optimization of only having to pull down files needed for the currently checked out commit
it reduced the size of the mono repo at work from 22GB to 200mb
and checkout times went down from several minutes to a few seconds
LFS is β€οΈ
ancient bolt
I just wish they would build in better support for binary files
they are slowly improving the CLI but it needs a lot more work still, that being said I've used it enough I don't mind
doesn't mean the CLI is good, just that I'm used to it
the overloaded git checkout command is probably the worst of the worst
golden gust
I mean, bar some inconsistencies I've never really had any massive issues with the CLI
ancient bolt
means fetch a remote branch, or switch to a local branch, or switch to a tag, or change a single file (or multiple files), and probably other things
ancient bolt
I mean, bar some inconsistencies I've never really had any massive issues with t...
I mean, spend literally any amount of time on the internet lol
golden gust
Yea, that's a PITA because it trips up so much shit in one go
ancient bolt
git confuses the fuck out of people
and for good reason, inconsistency is very confusing
so many people come to me with questions about git at work too
void void
back to svn pls
merry talon
and because black magic is confusing also
golden gust
To be fair, being exposed to our toolchain either makes you REALLY fucking scared of git or probs more skilled with it than majority of the dev community
ancient bolt
lots of people like refuse to force push ever because they don't understand what it means or what the consequences are, even though I am constantly encouraging people to force-push to their feature branches
yeah what we do with git is borderline insane
merry talon
god I think 80% of my pushes are force pushes
golden gust
force pushing is a fun one, I think it's one of those things where you've really gotta understand the consequencies of it and what it does
void void
what does qualify under "borderline insane"?
golden gust
We basically store all of our work in a git mailbox dir
and reapply that, rebasing the tree consistently, etc, etc
void void
does using rerere, using interactive rebase and casually merging 2 branches with different 400 commits together fall under borderline insane as well?
golden gust
probs use rebase more in a day then people use in a week when working on paper stuff
--fixup is really nice too
I've actually not used rerere in so long
I don't think I even re-enabled it after I last reinstalled my OS
void void
fixup is wonderful
golden gust
it's handy with paper as I can just enable git annotations, right click the gutter and get the commit hash of the patch am modifying and chunk it onto fixup
and then --autosquash it in
brave radish
I mean, it's a server for a few friends, so I don't really care if it makes copies of the same region file a lot rather than storing changes cuz there will only really be a few region files that change
and better than my current solution which is just tar.gz the whole thing and copy it somewhere Β―_(γ)_/Β―
golden gust
well, wheres your git repo gonna be?
brave radish
mhm
waxen panther
monka
void void
get yourself a linux box on lan
merry talon
that's uh
void void
git init --bare
merry talon
very monka
brave radish
I mean, yeah, git is simple enough to set up for this, and again it's not a big world
void void
though you're probably better off setting up your server to run on btrfs...
brave radish
Most of the world is things I flew over with an elytra like once so I don't really need to back that up every single time when it doesn't change (really the only goal here is to not copy those)
void void
and then do snapshots
well unless you're using windows then forget about it
even on macos you can set up zfs easily to get filesystem level snapshotting ability
(not sure if you can do that with apfs without dark undocumented hacks / root)
you'll get cheapest backups that way
brave radish
With git I could just git commit -am 'backup' and then push to as many remotes as I wanted but ok fine I'll use rdiffbackup or smth
even though this seems simpler
hasty tree
β
magic river
https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1320325110973202436 dude sounds like he would literally drink the koolaid
Twitter
potent fossil
he's on the crypto, snorting it up all day
limber knotBOT
Reminder from DiscordBot, for dejay: bother soup
limpid comet
@peak ginkgo ^
limber knotBOT
Reminder from DiscordBot, for dejay: (#general message)
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: fuck
merry talon
peak ginkgo
Good morning
topaz mortar
Good evening. π
viscid wedge
Good morning
I'm at work, give it another 5hrs
waxen panther
@viscid wedge
crystal compass
nice silent nms update in 1.17.1
viscid wedge
@waxen panther
crystal compass
feels bad, more broken plugins
cunning raft
pr api and don't use nms :>
crystal compass
Not my own
crystal compass
pr to them
thinking that people on spigot keep their software open source 
merry talon
you can choose not to use closed source plugins
crystal compass
right
void void
or just decompile, make changes as you wish and don't give a damn
merry talon
but the authors terms of service say decompiling is strictly prohibited!!!!!1
void void
bukkit api is still gplv3.0 (since 2011), requiring plugins actually to be compatible with the license
true canyon
π€£
ancient mica
Hi! Someone can help me with my IPWhitelist please?
I have put my adress ip of my minecraft server into the whistelist but it didn't work
It's say to me : You have to join through the proxy. (but I join through the proxy)
In my flamecord I have ip-forwading: true and on my spigot server I have bugnee: true so idk
void void
those authors can go and fuck themselves
merry talon
I thought bukkit was gpl 2
golden gust
use bungeeguard
merry talon
but still same thing
unreal quarry
just print out the source code into a packet and fedex it to buyers that request the source. that's gpl compliance π
ancient mica
use bungeeguard
bungeeguard > ipwhitelist?
void void
yes
golden gust
yes
ancient mica
Ok thx
merry talon
Does the gpl allow newer versions of the license as equivalent?
true canyon
It's v3.
golden gust
people can upgrade the license but not downgrade iirc
ashen cliff
Just wash the license bro.
void void
github copilot will help you with that
ashen cliff
crystal compass
has anybody stumbled upon players without permissions being able to tab complete commands that they shouldn't have access to? in 1.17.1
people with 0 perms can select a worldedit brush but can't use it, super weird.
crystal compass
tf
using luckperm's verbose mode, there is no permission checks happening for some of these commands, wtf.
unreal quarry
welcome to the club, sam
crystal compass
unreal quarry
i've pointed it out to many plugin devs. most dont care
crystal compass
What caused it?
golden gust
it relies on plugins defining their perms properly and many just don't
unreal quarry
they just dont register their permissions correctly, or at all for some commands
crystal compass
Yikes
mossy vessel
WorldEdit registers permissions differently to how you are """supposed""" to, hence tab completion is still possible for commands you don't have access to.
unreal quarry
worldedit has a few commands with no permissions at all, too
brave radish
I think YouHaveTrouble made a plugin for hiding commands when their plugins don't but you'd have to add them all
crystal compass
My testers can set worldedit selections, but cant manipulate them
ashen cliff
worldedit has a few commands with no permissions at all, too
//calc
Till the incident.
mossy vessel
Registering permissions to the plugin.yml avoids that afaik
unreal quarry
i was maintaining a worldedit fork just to fix the permission mess. but i've recently been able to get rid of the plugin for good on my server (only needed it because another plugin depended on it)
\o/
brave radish
My testers can set worldedit selections, but cant manipulate them
well that's not just the tab completion
fervent otter
people with 0 perms can select a worldedit brush but can't use it, super weird.
they see it but in the end they cant really do anything w it
crystal compass
Players can tab complete - all commands almost. They are using commands and are getting the Argument check messages rather than permission errors
but the permission errors are working when they try to use commands with arguments.
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Sorry not all commands. Probably just the ones that aren't registered correctly, which seems to be most... 
unreal quarry
here's where i forked and fixed worldedit permissions (had to make up my own perms) https://github.com/BillyGalbreath/WorldEdit/commit/378676f5b498cdaecc6c2b3be55551fb294081f4
and here's how you would fix most other plugins, by editing their plugin.yml and setting the permission on each command https://github.com/DevLeoko/AdvancedBan/pull/316/files
crystal compass
oh, thanks billy!
unreal quarry
plugins that use other frameworks (ACF, Cloud, etc) will have to be done in code like the worldedit one
crystal compass
gotcha
mossy vessel
Manually editing the plugin.yml is very tedious
Especially if you have over hundred permissions lol
worn ember
i use annotation processors to build documentation of my commands
ashen cliff
twin lagoon
BRO!
worn ember
why would you want to see twitter xD
wispy blade
true
vestal jasper
people with 0 perms can select a worldedit brush but can't use it, super weird.
The reason for this one specifically is legacy
all other commands in WE have permissions but that specific one afaik
adding the permission would technically be a breaking change or smth lol
unreal quarry
permissions aren't just on/off or true/false. they are quad-states (true, false, op, not op). all they would have to do is add a permission node to it and then set its default value to true so that all players would get the permission by default. nothing would break, but we would gain the ability to negate that permission
viscid wedge
@peak ginkgo @merry talon https://www.tagspaces.org/
peak ginkgo
This is perfect.
crystal compass
bruh
wtf
If paying in any way isn't possible for you, send me a PM and maybe there's something you can do for me to earn my plugin.
topaz mortar
Uwu @brave radish
brave radish
topaz mortar
topaz mortar
Is it just Idiom stuck in translation?
obtuse jasper
obtuse jasper
``If paying in any way isn't possible for you, send me a PM and maybe there's so...
glub glub
tropic flame
^ this
plucky sparrow
meio burro
trim karma
Anyone wanna chat about administering a server - trying to learn the pro-tips in some facet.
waxen panther
you'd have better luck in the syscraft discord
trim karma
Awesome thanks for the heads up - didnt even know about that Discord π
trim karma
Just now π
brave radish
Just use EAP, they said
It'll be fine, they said
melts down completely
wow that's nice though
don't think it's ever done this before, but it just suggested the MC Dev plugin cuz I'm depending on Paper
weary burrow
I just clicked on your profile picture @void void.
big mistake. thank you for the fact that I wont have any chance for sleep today.
indigo tusk
Hey any domain experts here? Why does the "mc2" subdomain sometimes redirect some users to the default 25565 port?
half pewter
cloudflare dns experts*
twin lagoon
not every ISP supports SRV
void void
most reliable way to get your players to connect is by always providing ip & port, change my mind
dns is beyond broken sometimes so you gotta do resolving ahead of time :')
indigo tusk
not every ISP supports SRV
It is weird because it works properly, then shows them only the default server IP for half of day then fixes itself
I assume resolving problems
void void
could direct players to use cloudflare's dns
as it has proper tutorials
uh oh
they're shilling their client now
indigo tusk
B-but it is cloudflare
indigo tusk
Not everybody knows how to change their DNS, but hmmm I'll give it a try
I have no idea what this app they shill is
viscid wedge
You have to keep in mind that the primary audience for this game is children
twin lagoon
viscid wedge
Most players don't even know what DNS is
twin lagoon
a better alternative is to just run a velocity server
viscid wedge
Yeah, for real
indigo tusk
Most players don't even know what DNS is
Most players don't understand constant 20TPS servers cost a lot and needs cut corners π€
twin lagoon
and used forced hosts to make people join a specific server
viscid wedge
+1 for Velocity forced hosts
void void
You have to keep in mind that the primary audience for this game *is* children
worth a try, not everybody's community consists of <13yo children
viscid wedge
You can give them individual MOTDs and stuff too with the Catalyst plugin
My server is primarily 16-22 year olds and I don't trust most of them to change DNS servers
Lmao
As administrators we vastly overestimate the technical competence of your average user
void void
mnyeah it's getting quite common that people have <2 second attention span and learned helplessness nowadays...
viscid wedge
Indeed
void void
if it ain't working in a split second then it's shit server and all admins related to it are random slur here
viscid wedge
Now you're thinking like a player!
void void
actually kid botched their tcp settings using random "booster" batch script
viscid wedge
lol
void void
mm yes mtu 500
viscid wedge
perfect, fantastic idea
let's run an openvpn server and connect to it on 127.0.0.1 for extra security as well
void void
either way i've had luck by telling people to go follow directions on cloudflare site and everything worked out fine
i don't want to hear other versions, that'll just make me sad ;(
brave radish
mfw Minecraft Discord has 897 boosts
tidal spoke
quick question, my spawn rates on my server seem extremely high in comparison with vanilla. I remember changing the difficulty in server.properties to normal but the spawn rates are through the roof at times, with players being chased by hordes of 14 zombies on some (extreme) occasions
is the "easy" default difficulty the setting for normal vanilla spawn rates (normal vanilla equivalent)?
brave radish
no
Paper doesn't really mess with difficulty
If you want to fix the mob spawning issue, you can post Timings in #paper-help so we can see your configs
tidal spoke
will do thanks!
brave radish
actually I have to go but someone else will take a look when they can
tidal spoke
i'm not worried, thanks for the direction!
shell vine
indigo tusk
either way i've had luck by telling people to go follow directions on cloudflare...
I'll try to teach them the way, but kids...we'll see π
novel horizon
will paper have some stickers too? ^^
novel horizon
that's sad :/
unkempt drift
pls no
novel horizon
pls machine maker sticker?
warm anchor
@unkempt drift pls pls pls 
waxen panther
machine has no power x d
brave radish
π
true canyon
warm anchor
shell vine
novel horizon
brave radish
wow sulu making GitHub a better CI system just for Paper /s
cunning raft
brave radish
actually @wraith trail are you sure you want to run that Action from another repo? I believe things even Actions run like that can access repository secrets, but I could be wrong
Yeah but I mean do you want to fork it?
tropic flame
https://ptb.discord.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/770358428...
oh, awesome
brave radish
In case the author goes rogue/their account is compromised
Since you're running from master too, not a tag
I mean, right now, whoever wrote that Action could just go change it
cunning raft
you'd need to approve the run
brave radish
Not PRs I mean the Action you ran from your Action
cunning raft
but I think they mean the action repo
brave radish
yeah
I mean, they also have a release and you can probably use tags
yeah I'm just saying you should probably fork it
even if you don't change anything
Might not be a security concern, idk, but a stability one either way
better safe than sorry π€·ββοΈ
also someone might add a secret one day and not think of it
novel horizon
i kinda like updates, anywhere, but they could make either small updates or not that often that break so many things, i feel like now it flies a lot faster
now 1.17
half a year 1.18 because of their reasoning
lots of work for everyone :/
and also 1.17 seems to me kinda not worth, I think they should moved the whole update to later if they wanted to
brave radish
Apparently as of Ubuntu 20.10 the deb files in the official repos will be compressed with zstd
brave radish
lol
novel horizon
idk how you accidentally drop the whole db
but hey
and not have a backup
maybe using phpmyadmin
"THIS WILL DELETE THE WHOLE DATABASE, ARE YOU SURE?"
yep i am π
but the support on that discord is really bad, so many people asking for everything
and complain why people don't help them, especially devs
why won't the creator help me π
nimble depot
lord I hate Visual studio
brave radish
.kill ShadowHacker
limber knotBOT
rips ShadowHacker's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.
nimble depot
but intellisense is cool
potent fossil
You better run, I like my meat dripping with the lactic acid of the stressed
novel horizon
Hmm that nickname makes sense too kinda
Chickens tend to run or so after.. that, so
oh that reminds me i have a salad in fridge with salmon tho, had it with chicken before
potent fossil
nice
novel horizon
yep i kinda like those β€οΈ
mint jetty
Has anyone found that glitch that sometimes the mobs appear complete black at some angles
And sometimes even invisible
potent fossil
Can somebody explain this wording to me please? I'm unfamiliar with how this is phrased :/
https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Unfinished-Wobbegongshark-50.png
It's proportional to the magnitude of its own charge and the other charge, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
Is that just a fancy way of saying the product of the magnitudes divides the distance squared? Lol
Or is there something more here?
novel horizon
Has anyone found that glitch that sometimes the mobs appear complete black at so...
do you use shaders or anything? or some custom clients etc
brave radish
Has anyone found that glitch that sometimes the mobs appear complete black at so...
That only happens to me on a horribly bad computer that's almost certainly below the minimum hardware requirements (especially with the new GL version)
nimble depot
to me that first read like Godwin's law
mint jetty
do you use shaders or anything? or some custom clients etc
No I use optifine
Without optifine it doesn't happens
brave radish
add it to the list
novel horizon
Well.. then you should mention that in the first place lol
but that's what you get for using it, idk if it's stable version or not, but..
brave radish
My advice: forget Optifine and go use the Caffeine family instead. Optifine has been notoriously buggy, especially lately
novel horizon
I use OF just fine with no glitches, on 1.16.5
mint jetty
I use optifine 1.17.1
covert latch
Might anyone be able to suggest a good Plugin that'll help with giving items unique textures? I know a part of it is resource packs, but also isn't it like custom model data or somethin like that?
mint jetty
Maybe some fix needed
brave radish
I use OF just fine with no glitches, on 1.16.5
most of the problems have been with non-vanilla server stuff not working like armor stands that aren't possible in survival not rendering correctly (that and the known inaccurate math it does)
gimple: this is Paper general. Good luck getting an answer with smart people stuff lol
potent fossil
covert latch
2 smart
mint jetty
novel horizon
mint jetty
Mobs come like this with some angle
potent fossil
gimple: this is Paper general. Good luck getting an answer with smart people stu...
I'll have you know Spottedleaf taught me Calculus 1 in paper general
I almost failed that class but regardless
novel horizon
that's nice ^^
unreal quarry
well, cat. i done did it this time ^_^ i dropped my bike on my leg and broke my ankle lol
novel horizon
you are so
ancient bolt
so you're too weak for you bike
unreal quarry
mud made it slide out from under me π¦
novel horizon
π¦
true canyon
β One gold star for you!
cobalt surge
cobalt surge
im not old
cobalt surge
i told him it was broke or fractured
unreal quarry
legit that was me
cobalt surge
pretty much
novel horizon
yep i understand
"does it hurt?" "well it hurts not that much tho"
that's how it is often
cobalt surge
with him... far too often
novel horizon
yeah me too, it's not rare
i fell on my hand kinda and was like yep nothing and then i noticed i had a little scar?no.. hole in my hand, so.. but i didnt go to doctor, so..
now i have scar on hand
idk the proper word lol
unreal quarry
its just a flesh wound
literal katana sticking through head
viscid wedge
novel horizon
now i have this π€·ββοΈ
you can see there's scar, not too much visible, but still
should have go to the doctor
#paper-help message
I just generated new paper.yml, there's no "nerf-spawner-mobs", was it removed or is that some bug?
wraith oracle
Can somebody explain this wording to me please? I'm unfamiliar with how this is ...
kinda late but yes
potent fossil
Yea just asked in a math discord and they went all math definition on me but eventually just said yes
unreal quarry
nice scar, but i think i got you beat ^_^
novel horizon
haha yeah i just fell when it was wet outside, not that big of a deal
wraith oracle
directly proportional just means they're a product and inversely proportional means they're a ratio (aka a division)
novel horizon
you got it pretty nicely done lol
potent fossil
yeah I was actually confused on what it meant to be proportional like that vs being equated, as I have never seen alpha used like that
was brand new notation to me
but i get it now
wraith oracle
yeah, it's definitely confusing if the book doesn't have a note about it somewhere
chilly fulcrum
Just a friendly warning that @pseudo pond is a scam, she infiltrates your server only to prune half the members and reset a bunch of channels!
novel horizon
?
and how could they do that if they have no perms to do that
do you give some random person permissions? π€
full rune
nimble depot
My router just crashed
unreal quarry
i hope it had insurance
nimble depot
Interesting that it did not boot back up and recover. I had to unplug it and plug it back in
so the watchdog also died
wispy blade
rip
i hate having to cycle to the next town to take the bus
they're doing some construction in a different town and they just skip my stop and that town completely :+1:
untold copper
i hope it had insurance
BILLY
I JUST FINISHED WATCHING ALL THE MATRIX MOVIES AGAIN
IM SO BLOWN AWAY LOL
wispy blade
matrix lol
wispy blade
hi cat
untold copper
lmao
wispy blade
alright brb pissing in your litterbox
austere ivy
wispy blade
hi bairn
warm anchor
alright time for bed 
wispy blade
NL buses i swear
ot should've been here 5 mins ago
now watch it casually skip the stop im waiting at
queen tusk
@wispy blade Question, did you used to work on a Dutch server called PGNL?
wispy blade
i've never worked on any server except monkegame
queen tusk
Hm, alright
wispy blade
and the one i had when i was 12/13 
warm anchor
so not too long ago
wispy blade
lol
peak ginkgo
It's even still on my google drive
I can just download that world and keep playing it
wispy blade
anyway bus arrived 15 mins late how's your day going so far
potent fossil
My day has been aight
potent fossil
bed is a great idea. im heading there soon to be embraced by soft
potent fossil
anyway bus arrived 15 mins late how's your day going so far
My busses do this so often we call it Schedule B
wispy blade
i wanna go back to bed but i also wanna be congratulated by my computer science teacher that i got a 10/10 grade
potent fossil
There's the main schedule and they might show up, but we automatically assume schedule B when it doesn't show up
wispy blade
last couple years my bus home was late so many times i'd be surprised when it showed up on time
potent fossil
Yeah we just plan "Schedule B" into everything because we assume it will happen
turns out, it's a good practice...just about everywhere
wispy blade
except i couldnt really plan it in cuz school ends 30 mins before
potent fossil
F
What I mean is I always show up to a stop expecting to wait at least +15 mins from the stated arrival time
Then I am happily surprised if I don't need to
It helps prevent me from being late to things on accident due to the bus
wispy blade
ah
potent fossil
If it shows up on time, it gives me time to breathe and meet the time for whatever I was heading out for
If it doesn't, I'll still be on time
queen tusk
That sounds really annoying
potent fossil
It adds a bit of scheduling work, yeah, but in the end it helps
queen tusk
I used to be in the bus 4h daily for uni, hated it
potent fossil
And tbf, it's not daily, this only happens when I need to go somewhere at a specific time and I'm planning the route
queen tusk
There were times where it just left 9 minutes early
potent fossil
Bus schedules are fickle beasts
wispy blade
now wait until you hear about dutch trains
potent fossil
Actually, any public transport schedule is
Shit happens, planning for shit to happen is just good preparedness
I.e. if I land in an airport, I expect that my flight is going to be cancelled for some reason or other and I am already aware of hotels in the area to call immediately should the need arise, before the stampede of outgoing calls starts
If it's not cancelled, perfect. If it is, backup plan already initiated
queen tusk
In highschool I was always like βeh, Iβll get my drivers license when I feel like itβ, but after the year of daily 4h bus drivers I was more motivated than ever
potent fossil
Yeah, this more so happens to me when I am travelling (and don't have a car/not going to rent one)
twin lagoon
ok
viscid wedge
ok
queen tusk
ok
wispy blade
ok
nimble depot
ok
wispy blade
hi michael
wispy blade
gg
shell vine
paper
novel horizon
rock
queen tusk
You willingly lost
wispy blade
respect
novel horizon
π
viscid wedge
What do you guys do to keep survival servers interesting?
Purpur was received quite well with my players, looking at what to do next
Preferably plugins or datapacks or what have you, not really looking to change server jars again
warm anchor
Install marriage plugin
warm anchor
Keep it interesting 
viscid wedge
wispy blade
i'd probably do some vanilla+ modpack
shell vine
Death perm bans
novel horizon
yep and support lgbt too
hardcore yep interesting too
and offer mines
diamond mines definitely
and netherite too
or ancient debris if u want to
shell vine
Perm bans for not having ten llamas
olive marlin
Give access to /gib
novel horizon
with efficiency 10 pick or more
warm anchor
I think bluemap is cool
warm anchor
Eats fuck ton of ram
shell vine
Add shrek
olive marlin
It sadly is too expensive client-side and doesn't support most features we need :/
novel horizon
π¦
warm anchor
i want it on wipe after i go for 1.18
We made an 1k map and just gonna paste it back to survival when 1.18 hits 
novel horizon
i use dynmap still for now
but man does it takes a lot of space
gonna limit map on 1.18
warm anchor
But I think itβs cool people can see details
novel horizon
I don't use one
I use almost the lowest one, and tried the low with boosted quality
but still
olive marlin
I need to check pl3xmap again, last time I did there was barely any features.
novel horizon
need to limit the map
warm anchor
Plexmap is barebones
shell vine
Ur barebone
warm anchor
novel horizon
idk tho, bluemap looks cool but i never used it for more than just testing
half pewter
sus
warm anchor
The only thing bluemap missing that I really want is sign support
novel horizon
That's sad, but still
bluemap is like the cool one
dynmap is like the.. uhm
the one you use to just look around you mostly not look at buildings unless it's better quality, mostly
olive marlin
We don't use dynmap for looking at buildings, it's used as a map.
warm anchor
Your GC is gonna get hit hard so provably not possible for big server.
olive marlin
Kinda split whether I want to add greylist or bluemap.
warm anchor
@novel horizon 15G ram allocated with 10 player on
shell vine
Dynmap NOT causing lag?
novel horizon
<@207878545727291392> 15G ram allocated with 10 player on <:PepeLa:7989510905399...
right now with 3 players
and 8G allocated
idk tho i use dynmap because i want to but i like bluemap more
i'll need to try it and see
nimble depot
is there some test server I don't know about
warm anchor
Give it a try itβs fun to look around
novel horizon
yeah exactly
I gave it a try, not used it though on server
I'll probably on 1.17/1.18 ditch dynmap and use bluemap and see
olive marlin
@warm anchor did you consider having bluemap standalone and just re-render it periodically?
warm anchor
My server is a bunch of weebs so they start to spell words on top of their roof for everyone to see
wispy blade
lol
warm anchor
<@177150983258767360> did you consider having bluemap standalone and just re-ren...
I host it with a webserver on the same dedi
novel horizon
I'm not surprised
nimble depot
my server just has edgy symbology all over the place
warm anchor
It makes it a lot faster with compression
novel horizon
I'll see what people say too about it later
olive marlin
Hmm, I meant without spigot plugin.
But that's only doable if you don't need live data ig.
warm anchor
Oh that will provably save even more load
nimble depot
fun fact: my latest 2b2t base is in the shape of the Windows logo
wispy blade
lol
warm anchor
My main thing is live data on player movement so yeah
olive marlin
I'll see how well it performs with compression on staging at some point.
warm anchor
Gonna play hide and seek
olive marlin
I think when I last checked, there wasn't plots/areas and now it looks like bluemap has it?
warm anchor
I think you will like it. Just because itβs sexy 3D render
olive marlin
Looks ugly in the air. But at least it's there.
warm anchor
So it shows claimed area and spawn and tp points
olive marlin
I don't use either of those.
warm anchor
My phone isnβt happy when I open the map on mobile
novel horizon
:/
warm anchor
I can feel the heat right away
warm anchor
I'll see how well it performs with compression on staging at some point.
Let me know how it goes
If I ever want to use it on my main map, I will definitely go with your route for none live map for sure
warm anchor
Prof wants to pull data only periodically and host it that way
novel horizon
someone explain me why flags link always takes years to load/redirect
warm anchor
Instead of doing it live
limber knotBOT
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warm anchor
Something is borked but Aikar is too busy to fix it iirc
It wasnβt like that months ago
novel horizon
I remember it's like that for quite a long time
idk why tho
someone recreated it on github iirc does someone have the link? idk who did it
golden gust
It's wordpress
He had a look but debugging wordpress slowdowns is a fucking ballache
warm anchor
someone recreated it on github iirc does someone have the link? idk who did it
.startmc you can use this for now
limber knotBOT
magic river
Huh, turns out a widely used drug for chemotherapy is surprisingly explosive
Seems no one actually ever checked, they just accepted what the first report about it said
warm anchor
quasi valley
that sounds like you're on the verge of becoming a pyromaniac
magic river
It's supposed to "degrade" at 212C but instead combusts/explodes at 170C and it also goes bang if you hit it with a hammer
Sometimes it goes bang even lower than 170C, they aren't sure why yet
golden gust
We've got this killer treatment plan
magic river
To be fair, these tests were done because people were looking in to it for a rocket fuel
It's a prodrug of a prodrug of something quite volatile so they knew it had some energy in there
novel horizon
.startmc you can use this for now
I know about that, but that article is kinda nice, this has some tips and explanation on hover etc., but still
viral hornet
GOOD MORNING @quasi valley
ashen cliff
Good morning @viral hornet.
twin lagoon
BRO!
ashen cliff
Bro.
viral hornet
Good morning <@171898972330262538>.
Good morning bro
@quasi valley ??? pardon you ??? dinkdonk ?????
number 1 on my list now kenny
viral hornet
Add yourself to your list of shame
twin lagoon
@viral hornet 
viral hornet
@twin lagoon 
ashen cliff
Right next to the Australian?
topaz mortar
olive marlin
@viral hornet 
viral hornet
@olive marlin 
green cedar
im so confused how to get paper 1.17 not 1.17.1
waxen panther
No
green cedar
yes
golden gust
on the downloads page, click the more button
There are known bugs, that version is 100% supported, good luck
golden gust
then click it more.
green cedar
to what #
golden gust
π€·ββοΈ
waxen panther
If you read the page you'll see it
golden gust
you'll see the 1.17 header when you get there.
green cedar
it was #79
waxen panther
ok
green cedar
for survival should i put claims or not i know its my decision but what do u guys think
waxen panther
You wont get support for outdated cringe versions π
green cedar
err wait lemme see
damn ur right
Minecraft Version:
1.16
no claims for me then
ig
golden gust
plugin devs rarely care to update that info for every single version
queen tusk
for survival should i put claims or not i know its my decision but what do u guy...
Depends, SMP? No, Survival? Yes (and mainly depends on who you let on, anyone? whitelisted? friends only?)
golden gust
most plugins use the API and very rarely break across versions
queen tusk
Minecraft Version:
1.16
Something like GriefDefender is 1.17 compatible (you have to join the Discord though)
green cedar
Depends, SMP? No, Survival? Yes (and mainly depends on who you let on, anyone? w...
anyone and it will have anarchy with no claims and survival with maybe claims
green cedar
Something like GriefDefender is 1.17 compatible (you have to join the Discord th...
free?
oh
i can do that
queen tusk
Build it using a buildtool
But nvm, their repo seems not up-to-date, you probably have to purchase it, wait for him to invite you to the Discord, and then use the 1.17 build
green cedar
okii
queen tusk
But if you don't want to pay then I can't help you, I only have experience with Lands and GD, and both are paid
queen tusk
π€·π»ββοΈ, paid plugins generally provide more incentive for the devs to provide you good support in a timely manner and to fix issues you have
green cedar
That is true
last nova
Spigot Paper server how does it handle?
quasi valley
yes
worn ember
solid siren
what u guys use for a modded server?
void void
Sponge
twin lagoon
fabric / forge
ashen cliff
Fukkit.
twin lagoon
KGBFabric
void void
meager tusk
KGBFabric
Bro. I told you to keep that a secret. WTF.
Most trustworthy Dutch person.
ashen cliff
Bro. We need people to stop leaking all the KGB projects/forks bro.
meager tusk
Fact.
real raven
tropic flame
Fukkit. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
wispy blade
it's worse than 99% of dutch internet
void void
the bus I took to get to my hotel had wifi
and by that I mean it didn't work unless u were right by the bustop
wispy blade
lol
the reach they have here is fine but the speeds are barely enough to send messages on discord
Twitter
warm anchor
Whatβs tmuf
wispy blade
trackmania united forever
limber knotBOT
I'll never get why ppl don't wanna talk about anticheat development but whatever
wispy blade
but imagine going undetected for 15 years
warm anchor
Imagine cheating
wispy blade
true
limber knotBOT
which is why idk why not to talk about anticheat development
that's like not talking about antivirus/malware development
wispy blade
yea
limber knotBOT
gotta lvoe security by obscurity
tropic flame
b-b-but open source anticheats bad!!! :c bwaaaaaa
limber knotBOT
"it is best for anticheat development"
tropic flame
people don't understand there are only so many ways for XYZ cheat to exist until it's eventually patched with no other way around it
but hey let's take longer for that to happen by obscuring the fuck out of everything
fervent otter
What is map pregeneration
basically generates all the chunks
so players dont have to
brave radish
When a chunk is loaded for the first time ever, it doesn't exist yet; it has to be generated based on your world seed. Pregenning is doing that in advance so it's already done by the time your players get there
fervent otter
chunk generation is basically worst common lag producer out there
brave radish
It's not really that useful on Paper though cuz it doesn't cost that much to do it later
If you have people flying around on elytras, sure, do it
visual swift
guys pls How can I get 1.17 version it got deleted from my backups and I need it
brave radish
chunk generation is basically worst common lag producer out there
no, not at all