no, but it is still a fork
#general
floral mesa
silk gyro
I know, just example
brave radish
Waterfall is a fork of Bungee
vernal moth
Paper spigot and Purpur are Minecraft server softwares
silk gyro
Too long of a name, for a compatability table.
brave radish
"Bukkit"
silk gyro
Distribution maybe?
silk gyro
Or just server
vernal moth
Waterfall bungee and velocity are proxies
brave radish
If you want Waterfall in a compatibility table, just say "Waterfall" or "Bungee" if it works on that as well
silk gyro
still technically a server software though
floral mesa
no game logic pretty much
silk gyro
i put this
vernal moth
Just do software then
silk gyro
No as it has no logic
but it's still software.. and a server
brave radish
Or Platform
brave radish
but it's still software.. and a server
fine it's not a Minecraft server
silk gyro
but its a minecraft proxy ๐
floral mesa
you should separate the proxy software into its own table, because its like comparing nginx to php.
also, I believe there is a table that already exists somewhere
silk gyro
is their a list of the different softwares?
or like.. can you list the top 5 most popular
brave radish
Servers or proxies or both?
silk gyro
Servers
brave radish
The only real popular ones are Spigot, Paper, Tuinity, Airplane, and Purpur (you said 5)
CB still has a surprising amount of users but you're not really supposed to use it
silk gyro
perfect.
nimble hedge
is paper more lightweight then spigot
lament patio
Yep
silk gyro
Boom. thanks you guys ๐
brave radish
gusty lance
worn crest
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720375089123688488/856864939460526080/For...
from where is the graph ๐ค
gusty lance
Hi
brave radish
hi
worn crest
Been floating around for a while now
only because i have that picture in old and dont know the exactly souce ๐
worn crest
dont know that server ๐
brave radish
I grabbed that one just now from Purpur's Discord cuz it's pinned there
brave radish
dont know that server ๐
worn crest
I grabbed that one just now from Purpur's Discord cuz it's pinned there
on purpur i am ๐ very nice pins
limber knotBOT
mfw someone includes Origami in that graph
and not even including the correct logo ;_;
void void
rekt
limber knotBOT
also forge is completely missing
void void
is forge even relevant these days
void void
liteloader, canary, tridentsdk
topaz mortar
also spout!
Spoutcraft โค๏ธ
heady spear
I hope you're all watching football, as you should
void void
no
limber knotBOT
lmao no
void void
i'm writing clojure
limber knotBOT
is england getting destroyed?
plucky sparrow
no
limber knotBOT
sad
plucky sparrow
football ๐คฎ
topaz mortar
I hope you're all watching football, as you should
The only balls I would watch are ...
heady spear
england scored within the first 2 minutes and everyone started screaming
this country is way too attached to โฝ
grave rover
are you winning son
limber knotBOT
what a dumb goal
daring gulch
It was a good goal
heady spear
no
if england wins i won't be able to sleep tonight because everyone will fucking scream on this street smh
limber knotBOT
then silence them
waxen panther
๐คit is not coming home ๐ค
void void
just buy some ear caps
limber knotBOT
thank god germany is already out
daring gulch
Double glazing + earplugs, ez fix
brave radish
I don't know BSD
Every time I shut down this system it gets to a Input full path to shell or press RETURN for /bin/sh prompt instead of actually shutting down
I have no idea how anything on this system works so I asked here
void void
saying BSD is quite ambiguous
brave radish
it's pfsense, which is based on FreeBSD
void void
halt -p ?
brave radish
googles around to make sure mikro isn't trolling again
seems legit, worked, thanks
What's the difference between that and the shutdown command?
void void
not sure what freebsd's shutdown does differently
but halt -p works on dragonflybsd & openbsd
they don't even have shutdown command iirc
.g freebsd shutdown man
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.unix.com/man-page/FreeBSD/8/shutdown/
void void
When run without options, the shutdown utility will place the system into single user mode at the time specified.
makes sense
that's why you'd get that message you mentioned
brave radish
lol that would make sense
shadow cove
Does anyone know when 1.16.5 will be moved to the Legacy section?
limber knotBOT
@void void there you go https://minecraft.ceo/โ/gpllRzpB.png
cunning raft
@faint crystal no illegal restreaming
faint crystal
its very legal bud
cunning raft
You have a license to restream it to discord?
faint crystal
its a free stream
unkempt drift
What was being streamed?
faint crystal
euro
cunning raft
just because it's a "free" stream doesn't mean you have permission to stream it to discord
cunning raft
You weren't kicked?
faint crystal
yes i was
cunning raft
Nobody was kicked from the discord today
faint crystal
i mean vc
faint crystal
lol
limber knotBOT
just minutes after I declared them to be playing bad as they pushed the ball towards their own goal
vernal moth
Oh we watching millionaires chase balls again?
limber knotBOT
myes
plucky sparrow
football is boring
limber knotBOT
smh
faint crystal
holy shit
obtuse jasper
https://twitter.com/NewsForAllUK/status/1414268273487716360?s=19
Blocked servers changing the dns.
obtuse jasper
https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486?s=19
Brits with 0.01% alcool in their blood
vernal moth
Screams outside again, who stumbled upon the ball now?
faint crystal
vernal moth
Inselaffen (Island apes) and it's coming Rome is trending in germany ๐
I can relate
obtuse jasper
I'll give you respect for that meme, it's not everyday that people remember that Portugal isn't spain!
faint crystal
I'll give you respect for that meme, it's not everyday that people remember that...
actually?
no they don't
obtuse jasper
I mean, I talked with a bunch of people from different parts of the globe, like 5% though Portugal was a city
merry talon
This is a sports thing right
obtuse jasper
America is the globe ๐
static badge
what the hell is wrong with people in the UK
why are they such degenerates
cc @waxen panther
merry talon
like ur not a degenerate
obtuse jasper
why are they such degenerates
They drink 2 much
faint crystal
They drink 2 much
so do germans
hexed dragon
I mean I am just waiting on updates on the goal scores not even bothered watching the game.
heady spear
several people have approached me on the street over the last couple of days just telling me "hi mate, you know it's coming home?" or like "hi, did you hear it's coming home?"
they're fucking obsessed
static badge
faint crystal
you know it's coming rome tho
quasi valley
ah yes, football
obtuse jasper
||https://twitter.com/_RB1N_/status/1414281322005151748?s=19||
that's small
quasi valley
both have a good bunch of peak human hooligan fans 
mint pike
Is there a command to check the version of papermc?
faint crystal
/version ?
hexed dragon
Did you know England will get an extra bank holiday not yet announced when if England win
wispy blade
LOL
mint pike
/version ?
right, there is papermc console version. But that puts me into the papermc shell... I mean to just print out the version
wraith oracle
what
faint crystal
what
limber knotBOT
wat
royal kernel
https://twitter.com/Pinhead6/status/1414276726708912129?s=19
๐
wraith oracle
you want to get the version without having to start up the server?
obtuse jasper
https://twitter.com/Pinhead6/status/1414276726708912129?s=19
let's rotate the image?https://twitter.com/DoentesPFutebol/status/1414293330364600326
wraith oracle
otherwise I don't really know what yu meant there
mint pike
I'm writing a bash script that gives me a notification when paper needs an update.
vernal moth
obtuse jasper
the server startup says that
wraith oracle
you could probably compare the checksum and call it a day
brave radish
Err.... no, I don't think you can do that without starting but ^^ to the checksum thing
the API provides checksums too
Just check if the current one is equal to the latest
limber knotBOT
just keep the build number around?
brave radish
that'd be messy if you download yourself though
mint pike
the server startup says that
Right, but the server has been running for 8 days now. in that time, the server got 4 versions behind
brave radish
only 4 
anyway, just check the checksum from the same endpoint you get the filename from
wraith oracle
Just check if the current one is equal to the latest
yeah, that's what I am saying
mint pike
If I made a script that just checks this automatically I don't need to go into this shell every few days...
limber knotBOT
a bit annoying that the paperclip doesn't include the version ๐
no
it only includes the minecraft version
wraith oracle
it could probably include an auto-updater as well
or at least the ability to download updates
brave radish
no, there's a reason the latest endpoint is gone
mint pike
heard that auto updates were bad for paper
lyric hinge
Surely the build # is not known until it's built by Jenkins so it couldn't be included
limber knotBOT
auto updates are always bad
brave radish
(network usage too) but auto-updating is dangerous as you're supposed to test first
limber knotBOT
of course it can be included
the number is included in teh patch file
just not the paperclip
brave radish
auto updates are _always_ bad
I autoupdate. Fight me ๐
limber knotBOT
แ(เฒ ็เฒ )แ
mint pike
I autoupdate. Fight me ๐
share script plox
faint crystal
I never update
limber knotBOT
lmao they are not showing the guy running on the field
brave radish
got tired of redownloading every time I test a bug
faint crystal
i only update when something is not working
brave radish
https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/766e3b39fa1c4cd4ad5bc9411fe36ce0 @mint pike but this is probably horrible so don't use it
(that and autoupdating is bad for real servers anyway I just linked since you asked)
royal kernel
Never updates, uses 1.8 (เธ'ฬ-'ฬ)เธ
formal turret
void void
what did they do lol
faint crystal
n word
brave radish
spam ping too
void void
:(
void void
https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/766e3b39fa1c4cd4ad5bc9411fe36ce0 <@!214869078324674...
make it worse
curl -s https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper | jq -r '.versions[-1]'
no you don't have to google this
not trolling this time
๐
limber knotBOT
jq <3
brave radish
I know what that does lol
brave radish
but I ain't gonna use it
mint pike
https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/766e3b39fa1c4cd4ad5bc9411fe36ce0 <@!214869078324674...
start is just papermc start?
limber knotBOT
eww
brave radish
start is just papermc start?
huh
limber knotBOT
(but I use that too ๐ )
void void
I know what that does lol
i'm just joking anyway
brave radish
oh, that script relies on having a normal ./start.sh in the same folder
royal kernel
Start script
brave radish
normal startup script
mint pike
kk
brave radish
.startmc
limber knotBOT
mint pike
tyty
faint crystal
https://startmc.sh
bookmarked ty
royal kernel
.kill Spigot
limber knotBOT
unleashes the armies of Isengard on Spigot.
brave radish
.kill paperchan [BOT]
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.
royal kernel
.kill CoreTeam
limber knotBOT
gets some friends together and shivs CoreTeam a few times.
limber knotBOT
throws DiscordBot to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.
vernal moth
Let's not
royal kernel
to which one lol
quasi valley
to bot spam
brave radish
I just put in [BOT] to make it clear I wasn't killing @ paperchan lol
but it didn't like it apparently
limpid comet
odd
brave radish
dumb router trying to show an error page?
limpid comet
pretty sure this is either caddy or cloudflare's fuckup
brave radish
Mine usually tries to give a "network login page" which is actually an error message that never helps
waxen panther
cc <@!264203519806930944>
i hate being here .
void void
pretty sure this is either caddy or cloudflare's fuckup
rule out cloudflare - check where given subdomain A record points to
well i did it myself - it's not CF
so it's caddy then
limpid comet
now trying nginx instead of caddy
void void
what would that solve?
but tbh that's probably good idea - caddy's config is quite inconvenient to use
limpid comet
i am now finding that out
void void
though if you're mostly using docker to host your apps then strongly consider traefik perhaps
limpid comet
i'm not
void void
you'll get nice autowiring
limpid comet
i do love traefik
void void
otherwise... nginx is good choice
limpid comet
this is just for hosting a docker registry
so actually i guess i am using docker to host my app
waxen panther
heyyy bluelly
merry talon
TIL the girl I've been talking to is literally a world class fucking athlete??
twin lagoon
hot
merry talon
is it if i have no chance
twin lagoon
well now you have to try
waxen panther
wweeeooo
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
waxen panther
void void
lol wut
limber knotBOT
btw. why tf is alsmost nobody in that stadium wearing a mask? Oo
twin lagoon
i assume masks aren't mandatory there
limber knotBOT
I mean even so, do they just want to die already or wat?
twin lagoon
if it's not mandatory i don't wear them either lol
i don't think anyone in that stadium remotely cares
limber knotBOT
lol
twin lagoon
they're all probably drunk
limber knotBOT
rip you I guess
vestal jasper
michael 
twin lagoon
michael <:pepeLove:660425578834558987>
uwu
limber knotBOT
not wearing a mask around random people is dumb af
vernal moth
The UK got an 7 day per 100k of above 300 or whatever
They just stopped caring
They gave up
limber knotBOT
I mean, at least they are out of the EU so we don't have to care about them anymore. can just not let them leave the island until everyone who isn't immune is dead ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
oof, there is 1 new case in my region in the last 7 days again :S
waxen panther
you truly are the strangest person i've ever met
twin lagoon
vernal moth
Sadly bunch of mainland ppl traveling for football
limber knotBOT
thanks, I get to hear that often
vernal moth
Well, I really don't care anymore since I am vaccinated
limber knotBOT
that's gonna suck if everyone thinks like that
vernal moth
Just gotta hope the raging virus in the UK develops yet another Mutation
Should call the next mutation Boris
potent fossil
vaccinated != can't get or transmit it, it simply means you are much less likely to have to go to hospital or die
carmine hinge
hello, is there documentation for how to use paperweight?
twin lagoon
plenty
limber knotBOT
like you can still infect people and the protection rates aren't really that high
carmine hinge
where can I find it?
limber knotBOT
lots of people are gonna get it again once everyone is vaccinated and doesn't care about masks and shit anymore
potent fossil
yea, murica is about to learn that lesson very hard
delta is gonna wreck us shortly
limber knotBOT
it also extremely sucks for people that can't get the vaccine or are on chemo and stuff (unfortunately that's the case for two of my friends ;_;)
potent fossil
my mother in law also couldn't get it for a long time due to a preexisting health condition but she finally got one
potent fossil
wat
limber knotBOT
half a year what?
half pewter
like protected then mutation and u need to take new n stuff
warm anchor
Wut
half pewter
idk lmao
potent fossil
yea, its called needing a booster. this doesn't happen only with COVID
people need flu boosters every year
same idea
limber knotBOT
they should really just find a way to get rid of viruses for good already smh
runs
potent fossil
"it's flu season" = "hey influenza mutated again now we need a new shot everyone!"
half pewter
pc gamur lief superior 
twin lagoon
the fuck are you smoking
potent fossil
dunno but, i want some
warm anchor
Heโs too young to smoke
limber knotBOT
you want some? I want them to keep it as far away from me as possible lmao
waxen panther
๐ 
๐
potent fossil
hi brocc
warm anchor
Hi brocco
warm anchor
half pewter
have you eaten enough broccoli
potent fossil
am gud <3
waxen panther
good 
potent fossil
im not sure why im even on Libera tbh, I don't even chat there
limber knotBOT
is that the answer for the freenode shitshow?
potent fossil
ye
waxen panther
you're far too epic to use irc simple โค๏ธ
heady spear
@waxen panther is it coming home ?
waxen panther
it is NOT coming home
twin lagoon
city 
waxen panther
i would like to sleep tonight
i dont need 45 yearold hopeless men screaming on my street all night
twin lagoon
watch a fucking civil war start if they lose
regardless of the outcome, you're not going to bed tonight brocc
heady spear
I am taking the train to Nottingham tomorrow so they better not bomb the train tracks
waxen panther
you should book your train now
twin lagoon
nottingham 
heady spear
I live in some Leeds ghetto, people have been screaming all day
waxen panther
I am taking the train to Nottingham tomorrow so they better not bomb the train t...
how else am i waking up before 2pm 
wrong reply
waxen panther
regardless of the outcome, you're not going to bed tonight brocc
this
heady spear
nottingham <:flooooosh:802638801339678770>
I am doing an escape room with Noxite
twin lagoon
are you actually
twin lagoon
heady spear
Definitely not my idea .-.
heady spear
I am getting locked in a room with my boss the first time I meet him
twin lagoon
hot
limber knotBOT
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
vernal moth
There's a promotion cuming!
heady spear
Stefan is cool tho but I feel like he will yell at me for not understanding the clues lol
waxen panther
just phone them for the solution before you go
heady spear
๐ฅธ
warm anchor
waxen panther
daring gulch
Penalties
limber knotBOT
lmao
faint crystal
its coming rome
limber knotBOT
nice
hexed dragon
Italy won
heady spear
Lelll
vernal moth
Get prepared for the riots
heady spear
@waxen panther yay we can sleep ๐ป
twin lagoon
prepare for the fucking civil war
magic mesa
Shouldn't have been up to Saka imo, too young
left swift
It was italy vs who
hexed dragon
England
left swift
Lul
vernal moth
Who would have thought that the UEFA euro 2020 has a winner from the EU
waxen panther
did we lose?
magic mesa
England
waxen panther
lets fucking GOOOOOOO
limber knotBOT
lmao mini
magic mesa
Ah love it when discord doesn't load immediately
left swift
Poor england
daring gulch
Sad days
twin lagoon
they did not score some fackin goals
vernal moth
You luckily we let you even take part in this tournament
heady spear
england couldn't possibly win lol, they can't even win eurovision
talentless people, I tell you
vernal moth
Italy wins the cup, the UK gets delta
magic mesa
Eurovision is crap tho, not really a priority for us
vernal moth
Fair deal
wispy blade
eurovision is as rigged as can be tbh
vernal moth
Oh god ppl honking their cars now
hexed dragon
@magic mesa Now go cry like that girl and get paid.
void void
Anyone think they can code a version of this for 1.16.5 https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/sleepers-1-8-1-14-4.72310/
hexed dragon
Google search UEFA Euro 2020 and fireworks for Italy.
fossil cedar
๐ค
fossil cedar
https://twitter.com/JnMadnessYT/status/1414343604701736960?s=19
lmaooo
void void
void void
multicraft
void void
how can the xeon get a better timingcost ๐ฆ
lower the better
foggy elbow
yes but xeon e-2288g isn't better than ryzen 7 5800x
twin lagoon
different workloads & i wouldn't use timingscost as a way to compare cpus
nor would i be worried or even look at timingscost at all
foggy elbow
the ryzen currently do not get any boost as used at 0-1%, so 3.7Ghz
the xeon is running so it's 4.6Ghz
twin lagoon
clock speed is irrelevant when comparing cpus
foggy elbow
the timingcost on the xeon runned on paper 1.12 *
I'll try the 1.16 server on the xeon to
twin lagoon
right so you're comparing different workloads as i said
foggy elbow
Yeah I know
twin lagoon
eitherway, > i wouldn't use timingscost as a way to compare cpus
foggy elbow
to compare the cpu I used "tab cputest", it can tells you something more precise than timingcost
twin lagoon
that's also irrelevant
foggy elbow
the only important thing is stability with players
golden gust
timings cost is a s somewhat useless metric
I mean, it is a factor of how fast the CPU can perform a specific set of operations, but, it's also affected by platform tick rates too, etc, etc
Theres just so many factors in play that using it for anything straight up is pretty meh, only really good for spotting slower machines, not faster ones
foggy elbow
just launched again the server but on java 16 lol
worn ember
69
lyric hinge
Nice
void void
it's larger than ded mom's weight for sure
worn ember
worn ember
more moma for me
warm anchor
worn ember
cuz int overflow
worn ember
they're brittish
worn ember
oi
warm anchor
That poor dude holding the fence got literally ran over lol
void void
learn2english, mate
golden gust
oh god, remember tux toying with freebsd
timings is literally unusable on that platform as they have to optimizations to nanoTime at all
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://tip.golang.org/src/runtime/vdso_freebsd.go
void void
.g openbsd vdso
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://lwn.net/Articles/806776/
worn ember
mikro so dum, cant even remember
worn ember
i dont even know what freebsd is
void void
noob
worn ember
free clearly means its crap 
void void
you joke but there are enterprises who pick oracle database over postgres for that exact reason
worn ember
at least its not mssql
void void
i'd pick mssql over oracle's
worn ember
ive used both and they both suck tbh xD
potent fossil
@limpid comet hello, hi, what is oligarchy?
limpid comet
Program that will manage my server's docker containers
nimble depot
Someone made a poker plugin. Why?
I mean, it is pretty impressive (and I like it) but I think most servers don't bother with that
limpid comet
Poker in Minecraft sounds pretty cool, what's wrong with making plugins even if most servers won't use it?
I've always wanted to do poker/table games in Minecraft
nimble depot
Want the link? (It's on the spigot site)
nimble depot
Fun fact: back then poker cheaters were punished on the spot by other players. Things usually got physical
marble lark
Anyone know which set of mappings is the final one applied to the Spigot sources
marble lark
bot go brrrrr
lmao
wraith oracle
I have always wondered but why not just call #paper-dev plugin-dev
brave radish
Cuz server dev goes there too?
wraith oracle
it's more plugin dev than it is server-dev and plugin-dev would still make a bit more sense in that case
brave radish
eh, there aren't that many there, but idc as long as there's still a #server-dev
brave radish
Though the line between plugin and server can questions be very thin
potent fossil
I've always read #paper-dev as "dev related to paper" 
marble lark
Though the line between plugin and server can questions be very thin
how so?
Server Dev would be work on the core Paper Server that's distributed I would think
brave radish
how so?
"How does the server do this?"
"What's the class name for this?"
etc
but, again, idc so long as there's somewhere to talk about the server
marble lark
"How does the server do this?"
"What's the class name for this?"
etc
fair enough
wraith oracle
I've always read <#555462289851940864> as "dev related to paper" <:shrug:8562845...
in no way "paper development" is read as "development related to paper", at least for the big majority of people
brave radish
That's why we have channel topics
marble lark
I always read Paper Dev as Plugin Development and Paper Help as help setting up and running the server lol
wraith oracle
no one reads channel topics
brave radish
no one reads channel topics
then it's not the server's problem if they don't know the topic of the channel 
wraith oracle
I do read them, I am saying that the big majority of people don't and it shows
otherwise people wouldn't confuse channels as much
potent fossil
this is the same argument as "why did i get warned? I didnt know that was a rule!"
when the rules are first channel everyone sees
"i didnt read those!"
potent fossil
yeah, and that's our fault why
wraith oracle
I am not saying it is?
potent fossil
paper-dev has a channel topic defining its purpose
if people don't read it, why is that our problem
it doesn't need to be renamed
wraith oracle
the same argument could be made for pretty much everything related to administration
brave radish
@ modz just rename it to #paper-plugin-and-server-development-and-sometimes-other-stuff
wraith oracle
the idea is to have an overall better QOL when it comes to organization of the guild
then again, it was just a suggestion or rather, a question there is no need to get defensive about it
potent fossil
Okay so when we need to do work on the actual server and have text-based discussions about internals, where does it go after we hypothetically rename it to plugin-dev?
We have to make yet another channel called server-dev to handle that? Why?
Keep it just as one channel.
Or I guess there could be a new category created for contribution-related chats and make channels in there like #paper-contrib, #waterfall-contrib etc.
brave radish
Though I wouldn't be against adding Includes Bukkit, Spigot, and Paper-added APIs or smth to the end of the topic cuz a few people have thought you couldn't ask about Spigot API
wraith oracle
I think most of these discussions I've seen them happen either on paper-dev or here
brave radish
Including #paper-help for people who don't read
wraith oracle
Though I wouldn't be against adding `Includes Bukkit, Spigot, and Paper-added AP...
I mean, it isn't like you can't ask about it but it's somewhat frowned upon if anything
potent fossil
it's not frowned upon to ask about spigot here
brave radish
again speak for yourself
^
wraith oracle
that being said, there are a lot of other guilds where you could probably get better support without questions of what platform you might be using
potent fossil
why do people seem to think that paper and spigot have some organization-level hostile warpath going on and that it's illegal to mention each other and that both sides have eternal hate for each other
like, what is that
when did that happen, why
brave radish
I don't know where you got the idea that it's frowned upon to ask about Spigot API in #paper-dev
marble lark
why do people seem to think that paper and spigot have some organization-level h...
to be fair that really does seem to be the case at first glance, especially to newcomers
potent fossil
cause i've been here a lot longer than some of the people saying that shit, lol
wraith oracle
I think PaperMC is a lot more open to discussion about other server platforms though I've seen people completely reject help just because of they asking about a platform that isn't Paper
and Spigot just denies the mere existence of Paper
brave radish
I think PaperMC is a lot more open to discussion about other server platforms th...
yeah, in Paper-help lol
potent fossil
people, individuals, are free to do whatever they like. They don't dictate paper's views though as an organization
brave radish
I do that all the time, and then I normally follow that person to the appropriate fork Discord and answer their question there
Unless it's Timings v1, cuz I ain't reading that
marble lark
I think PaperMC is a lot more open to discussion about other server platforms th...
I still remember that one guy talking about Nukkit in general chat in the background with someone else and he got nuked so hard by everyone that he left the server entirely lmao
marble lark
Unless it's Timings v1, cuz I ain't reading that
who even does
brave radish
Like literally just use Spark lol
potent fossil
Well anyway, I have a huge todo list and its already 8pm so I need to light a fire under my ass and get to work. Suffice it to say my views on this are that the channel name is fine and that the channel can host both plugin and server dev
๐ถโโ๏ธ Peace for now
marble lark
Well anyway, I have a huge todo list and its already 8pm so I need to light a fi...
light fire under ass
lel
wraith oracle
I still remember that one guy talking about Nukkit in general chat in the backgr...
that's more or less what I was on about, while Paper as organization doesn't condone nor favor it, its community may do
wraith oracle
there's nothing inherently wrong with that however it is rather counter-intuitive to the organization's view
brave radish
No one refuses to support users of other software out of Paper elitism lol
Well unless that software starts with a Y or an Su
golden gust
You can ask about spigot stuff in -dev but we really wish people wouldn't
ripe sphinx
Y is dead, what starts with an S?
brave radish
but that's still not elitism
marble lark
Y and S?
brave radish
Y is dead, what starts with an S?
Sugarcane
marble lark
Well unless that software starts with a Y or an Su
I'm surprised T isn't in there
brave radish
I'm surprised T isn't in there
T? Tuinity?
wraith oracle
I'm surprised T isn't in there
Tuinity?
marble lark
yeah
brave radish
People like Tuinity
what are you on about?
We don't ignore Tuinity based on Paper elitism lol
@ Spottedleaf contributes a bunch of his stuff back upstream too
wraith oracle
no one says it is off elitism or whatever
marble lark
you said "Refuse to support unless it starts with XXX" pretty sure
marble lark
no one says it is off elitism or whatever
yeah I know
brave radish
no one says it is off elitism or whatever
That's kinda what
though I've seen people completely reject help just because of they asking about a platform that isn't Paper
implied
wraith oracle
Art of War
golden gust
#paper-dev explictly states in the topic that it's for development on paper and paper plugins
I don't see how there'd be any real confusion in that?
marble lark
"Minecraft is Minecraft"
well unless it's a Minecraft Server written in Python or Javascript
golden gust
I mean, changing the name doesn't really fix anything, people don't read anyways
We still get people asking about paper in the waterfall channels
ripe sphinx
why on earth would you ever write a MC server in python or js
brave radish
Also cat since you said you wish people wouldn't ask Spigot questions the discussion was about API that happened to be from upstream, not like BuildTools
brave radish
why on earth would you ever write a MC server in python or js
Someone wrote a Bedrock server in PHP
marble lark
well unless it's a Minecraft Server written in Python or Javascript
Pocketmine using PHP is still at least acceptable but Python and JS is...
ripe sphinx
like C or Rust or some low-level lang I can kinda get, but python?
wraith oracle
it says discussion of server and paper development, it should be implied that it is paper-only but people don't seem to realise they're in the PaperMC guild, go figure
golden gust
API from upstream is still part of paper API
brave radish
exactly, that's what I'm saying
marble lark
Someone wrote a Bedrock server in PHP
PHP is still acceptable at the very least
brave radish
I don't think anyone said BuildTools questions and stuff should be there
golden gust
my big headache is people stuck on supporting spigot using paper-dev
wraith oracle
my big headache is people stuck on supporting spigot using paper-dev
I mean, you could just recommend PaperLib and call it a day
wraith oracle
may add a command for it even
golden gust
mainly because it creates so many headaches with people not being able to use API we have, and often just leads to tears as people think we're gonna hold their hand through the nms access for random stupid stuff
paperlib only covers so much of the API, however
e.g. we have 0 interest in maintaining nms code in there, and one common area people get upset with is skulls
marble lark
mainly because it creates so many headaches with people not being able to use AP...
this is why you go for the shadowJar option instead of reobf
ripe sphinx
https://github.com/mcpyproject/McPy
I'm not surprised someone's done it, it's just dumb
marble lark
to be fair
Minecraft in Python is still at least readable
although it's horrendous
wait till you see the Minecraft JS Servers
chrome kite
what is blackspigot, is it a version of spigotMC? because my friend sent me a download from site.
ripe sphinx
no bad wrong โ
wraith oracle
blackspigot is a plugin piracy site
marble lark
I'm not surprised someone's done it, it's just dumb
wraith oracle
don't use it
ripe sphinx
it's a site that is used to distribute pirated versions of paid plugins, often with extra viruses mixed in
warm anchor
what is blackspigot, is it a version of spigotMC? because my friend sent me a do...
Its a site where you find free MC softwares with virus and back door without paying
marble lark
it's a site that is used to distribute pirated versions of paid plugins, often w...
Imagine writing a virus in Java lmao
wraith oracle
imagine writing a virus
marble lark
^
marble lark
around spigot?
wraith oracle
I love how Spigot didn't care to take action at all
brave radish
@ MiniDigger | Martin Hanger wen
chrome kite
I love how Spigot didn't care to take action at all
why?
ripe sphinx
Imagine writing a virus in Java lmao
Most of them are targeted specifically for MC servers i.e. forceops, dupes, backdoors, etc
warm anchor
Yeah Letโs force two FA on all accounts on spigot forum
wraith oracle
I don't know
golden gust
because resource manager and being pro-active against stuff is generally not something they care to do
marble lark
Most of them are targeted specifically for MC servers i.e. forceops, dupes, back...
oh
true canyon
Yeah Letโs force two FA on all accounts on spigot forum
Not enough. 3FA!
brave radish
Yeah Letโs force two FA on all accounts on spigot forum
let's not lol
golden gust
The thing was pretty trivial to detect too
marble lark
I thought you meant malicious system viruses
chrome kite
because resource manager and being pro-active against stuff is generally not som...
lmao man just roasted the staff team
golden gust
I mean, it was the actual plugin authors doing it
marble lark
which would be pretty ridiculous to write in Java
warm anchor
I thought you meant malicious system viruses
Two most popular one is just crypto miner and back door op
golden gust
The virus spread easily into other plugins, and so people would get some infected jar on their test server and then upload that jar to spigot, rather than getting a new freshly compiled jar
wraith oracle
what I find more amusing is how the community still tries their best to take care of it themselves
brave radish
?
marble lark
People wrote system viruses in Java and passed them through plugins
why would you handicap yourself writing one in Java at this point you might as well just write it in a low level language instead
golden gust
People making viruses do it for teh lulz
true canyon
The virus spread easily into other plugins, and so people would get some infecte...
It's floating around sold plugin packs now, which is good fun. Entire packs of dozens of plugins, all infected with that.
warm anchor
why would you handicap yourself writing one in Java at this point you might as w...
Coz MC server owner are dumb and you can trick them to run any jar
brave radish
B. They wrote it to spread to other Java plugins
golden gust
lol
if your main target is minecraft servers, releasing a plugin with a virus is the ez way to go
especially with how easy java is to fuck with, it's a prime target
warm anchor
Thereโs that youtuber whoโs sole video is just logging into infested server and grief it for content
golden gust
like, bytecode is designed to be easy to fuck with, that way the JVM can do stuff with it
marble lark
A. How is Java a handicap if it's a social engineering attack
you will lose access to system buffers and whatnot if you do it in Java unless you use JNI or Panama no? (Assuming we're talking about things like ransomware not not just Minecraft specific stuff like forceop)
golden gust
not talking about randomware
brave radish
you will lose access to system buffers and whatnot if you do it in Java unless y...
if it's a social engineering attack
marble lark
not talking about randomware
oh
marble lark
like, bytecode is designed to be easy to fuck with, that way the JVM can do stuf...
tell that to CraftBukkit with their insane Server decompile errors
golden gust
decompilation is much more complex than execution
decompilers are pretty much never gonna be 100%
theres a good chunk of info which is lost at compile time which makes producing a good decompiled output not super viable
ofc, doesn't help that spigots fernflower fork is pretty trash
forges does a muuuuuuuch better job
wraith oracle
ah yes, generics being erased by default is wonders for decompilation of a project
brave radish
ofc, doesn't help that spigots fernflower fork is pretty trash
btw, post hard-fork, Paper's gonna rebase all of the upstream patches on ForgeFlower?
golden gust
yes
no reason to not use forgeflower if we can
it fixes many decompilation issues vs spigots fork
brave radish
yay Paperweight can be so much faster
brave radish
ForgeFlower is a decompiler
marble lark
oh
brave radish
Paperweight is a build system for Paper
golden gust
paperweight is the entire toolchain behind decompiling the server and doing all the magic for mappings and patching and such
brave radish
(ForgeFlower is a fork of Jetbrain's Fernflower)
unreal quarry
paperweight is pure wizardy
wraith oracle
I hope paperweight can get plugin support soon
brave radish
The decompilers in modding land are getting as bad as the Bukkit forks
brave radish
I hope paperweight can get plugin support soon
check #paper-github ๐
marble lark
btw, post hard-fork, Paper's gonna rebase all of the upstream patches on ForgeFl...
does that mean Paper can split from Spigot without needing it as an upstream anymore
brave radish
Well that's what the hardfork is
marble lark
paperweight is pure wizardy
Especially since it's written in Kotlin f*ck Kotlin
warm anchor
Hardfork when
brave radish
Well that's what the hardfork is
The hopefully one-day coming glorious day we can have Paper snapshots
golden gust
Kotlin is much nicer to work in, especially against gradle
golden gust
god, I kinda miss working in Kotlin
brave radish
The decompilers in modding land are getting as bad as the Bukkit forks <:kekw:67...
There's now ForgeFlower, which is a fork of Fernflower, and then Fabric-Fernflower, which is also a fork of Fernflower, and then Quiltflower which is a fork of Fabric-Fernflower with Forgeflower's patches, and now we need a new fork web
unreal quarry
we all know my fork is the greatest fork to ever exist
warm anchor
Why do they keep coming up with such unoriginal name 
brave radish
we all know my fork is the greatest fork to ever exist
PurpurFlower wen
wraith oracle
I prefer those names
untold copper
its sst paper
wraith oracle
it is clear what the intent of the fork is
untold copper
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i haven't studied im so dead lol
brave radish
speaking of people installing random plugins, who has the link to the Spigot 1.17 repo
untold copper
survive
science and maths are already done so its fine
https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-its-fine-everything-is-fine-burning-house-happy-dog-gif-21646319
golden gust
on their site, in the toolbar, go to the hub and then go to stash
brave radish
not the real Spigot 1.17 lol
The one that came out before Spigot did on GitHub
and all it did was play a baited song (which was a bad idea cuz people wouldn't hear it)
golden gust
brave radish
that would require me looking at that cursed place
golden gust
just, always remember, that my about-me is the truth
brave radish
yes
marble lark
paperweight is pure wizardy
speaking of Paperweight how do I inject my own mappings into my Paper Fork after all the upstream Paper Patches are done I'm screwing around with Paperweight rn for fun
warm anchor
just, always remember, that my about-me is the truth
Wtf
marble lark
speaking of Paperweight how do I inject my own mappings into my Paper Fork after...
trying to rename every class to FuckYou.java lmao
unreal quarry
i know nothing of paperweight. i just use it
golden gust
check a fork, they may have already done it to work around stuff
but, custom mappings ain't really an intended feature
marble lark
check a fork, they may have already done it to work around stuff
I've tried none of them do their own mappings
ain't ain't
lmao
brave radish
Found it! Had to just search in: general Spigot before: 2021-06-11 and keep clicking
golden gust
aye
brave radish
So yeah people actually installed this. No longer relevant to the convo but would have been 30 minutes ago https://github.com/nahkd123/spigot-1.17
marble lark
check a fork, they may have already done it to work around stuff
guess I'll have to work around it myself then
no trolling people with nms classes named FuckYou for the time being :C
golden gust
iirc, you basically tell it to use the mapping file from inside the fork and patch that or something
There was some steps somewhere
marble lark
mappings-patch.tiny?
golden gust
sigh
marble lark
rip
golden gust
Billy is a commie whore who disabled the file view thing in his jenkins
left swift
woah cat
marble lark
imagine using jenkins
brave radish
Billy is a commie whore who disabled the file view thing in his jenkins
You disabled access to Jenkins :P
unreal quarry
i did?
golden gust
yea
unreal quarry
what file you looking for?
golden gust
unless you yeet the work space all the time
was gonna have a look at the gradle setup things to see if the stuff was in there as I thought it was but ๐คทโโ๏ธ
brave radish
btw Paper uses TeamCity now, yes?
golden gust
yes
brave radish
why'd you switch?
golden gust
Jenkins is a fucking PITA, basically
unreal quarry
which project, cat?
golden gust
-Server
marble lark
the hell is TeamCity
golden gust
jetbrains CI system
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marble lark
oh
golden gust
jenkins just does a lot of stupid shit
unreal quarry
oh, thats right. i'm hiding the workspace so people dont grab mah non-paperclip jars
you know. legalities
golden gust
Like, waterfall would bork when building on a newer version of java in jenkins at once time
unreal quarry
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
marble lark
Imagine using a build system at all
mainly because I'm too dumb to use build systems
brave radish
I have a CI on my zero-user plugin cuz I wanted to
golden gust
it's a clean environment for compilation in which you can easily dump jars out where needed and such
We don't care about public access to our CI server, but, it does push builds for us automatically to our API
marble lark
y'all know the chronological order these mappings are applied in
golden gust
huggles biblo-whateverthefuckitwascalled
marble lark
been confusing me for a while
lean kiln
those are just mappings patches the actual mappings are generated by paperweight
marble lark
patches dedicated entirely to mappings
lel
some of them are patches using Mojang's names, others use the Spigot names, it's really confusing
warm anchor
y'all know the chronological order these mappings are applied in
I can see your research and break social media pattern from your opened tab 
golden gust
the patches are there basically as spigots tooling is crap
lean kiln
when you know how the files are used it's not that confusing
marble lark
mappings-patch contains Mojang fields and craftbukkit-patch-patches has BehaviorWorkComposter which is a Spigot name
marble lark
I can see your research and break social media pattern from your opened tab <:Pe...
heheh
90% of it is research lol
golden gust
mappings patch is for the spigot > Mojang ones
spigots mappings conflict with mojangs mappings in fun ways
marble lark
I can see your research and break social media pattern from your opened tab <:Pe...
the rest is just me watching Jill Valentine's Voice Actress stream herself playing RE8
out of boredom
marble lark
spigots mappings conflict with mojangs mappings in *fun* ways
I can tell lolol
golden gust
JILL SANDWICH?!
marble lark
Jill is technically one of Lady Dimitrescu's daughters considering they share the same actress lmao
"Daniela Sandwich"
marble lark
JILL SANDWICH?!
till this day I've never figured out where the meme came from
golden gust
Wat
marble lark
the one about Jill Sandwich
marble lark
I'm guessing it's a misheard line from back when the series had horrendous voice acting (Full respect to the actors and actresses from the OG games though)
marble lark
OG 2 is my personal best lol
though really I only played it cause I liked the Tyrants
Remake 3 was a disappointment though
might get RE8 some point later idk
golden gust
I never really got into the latter games
I did play surviver which was kinda k, but, not really all that great
marble lark
I never really got into the latter games
Village was a banger from what I've seen and heard
though there was also disappointment on how many things they scrapped
golden gust
I honestly kinda liked that it was more of a puzzle game than an FPS
marble lark
also the House Dimitrescu actresses are all really chill people
marble lark
I honestly kinda liked that it was more of a puzzle game than an FPS
same
iirc one of them died before the game released so the game now has a tiara on the vampire daughter she plays as
warped wind
What are some popular permission plugins all the cool kids are using now-a-days?
marble lark
none
warm anchor
Luckperm
marble lark
xd
brave radish
LarryPerms
marble lark
OP Levels to replace string perms wen
warped wind
ZombiePerms
golden gust
OP system is fucking trash and I wish we could remove it without making people cry
marble lark
OP system is fucking trash and I wish we could remove it without making people c...
in all fairness Mojang probably didn't intend for multiple rank levels and perms
though it would probably be better if you could set OP Levels commands required
and set OP Levels for each player
golden gust
I mean, that's part of why it's dumb
you can set the OP levels per player
just, not with the command
marble lark
you can set the OP levels per player
you need NMS iirc
golden gust
And, people are annoying and expect it to act as a magical replacement for a proper perm plugin
marble lark
I added a patch exposing OP API to plugins but it got turned down lol
marble lark
And, people are annoying and expect it to act as a magical replacement for a pro...
depends on your rank system tbh
golden gust
people expect to be able to control what commands players can/can't use using op
marble lark
either probably works better depending on how you build your ranks perms
golden gust
and, it's a PITA because yea, you can technically do it with permissions.yml, it's just a PITA that people discount perm plugins because "op exists and I should be able to do what I want with it"
unreal quarry
op is a tool, not a rank
marble lark
people expect to be able to control what commands players can/can't use using op
probably not a good idea using the default Mojang OP Level perms but would be better if you could set the levels commands required lol
what's PITA
unreal quarry
pain in the ass
marble lark
oh
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warm anchor
Something Billy feels so very often ๐
brave radish
I searched "yummy pita bread"; was interested in what would come up tbh
Edit: ooh that pizza looks good
Edit 2: that article is lame
wraith oracle
Village was a banger from what I've seen and heard
kinda late to the party but the game is meh
wraith oracle
it got a lot of attention due to Lady D
golden gust
I just feel that they kinda more prioritised being an FPS over the years
wraith oracle
other than that, it's not really the best out of the RE series
marble lark
the rest of the characters weren't too bad either but nfrom what I managed to dig up in the source code the game has a ton of unused code
wraith oracle
I just feel that they kinda more prioritised being an FPS over the years
they intentionally made it less scary since 7 was "too scary"
golden gust
I mean, I ain't played any of the newer versions and I didn't play too much of the older versions bar the first one way too many times coz didn't really have the hardware and such
survival horror
TOO SCARY
tf
marble lark
the rest of the characters weren't too bad either but nfrom what I managed to di...
there was a spare system for example
golden gust
Reminds me of that horror film from years ago which everybody was proclaiming how it was super scary, and best I could do was laugh
marble lark
it's a blast to see the actresses and actors play the game though
wraith oracle
I honestly don't get what was going on in the producer's head
why the hell are you even making a survival horror at that point
marble lark
it's a blast to see the actresses and actors play the game though
incidentally that woman is also Remake Jill Valentine
marble lark
I honestly don't get what was going on in the producer's head
like I said they cut tons of stuff
wraith oracle
Reminds me of that horror film from years ago which everybody was proclaiming ho...
which one, IT or the conjuring?
both are claimed to be supposedly scary but I didn't personally find them so lol
golden gust
erm
the one in the house with the baby or something and the moron walking around who had to record everything with a cam corder
aha, paranormal activity
golden gust
too predictable for me
I find that "jump scare" movies just fall into the jump scare movie tropes all too much
unreal quarry
horror films arent good anymore, and i blame technology. they all concentrate on making things look real, instead of going for your fears and imagination like they did 30+ years ago
wraith oracle
it's hard to find actually scary movies nowadays
wraith oracle
you can add as many jump scares as you want but that won't make it more scary
golden gust
I went to go watch the jungle book remake
wraith oracle
and most film makers confuse horror with suspense
golden gust
before that, deadpool
marble lark
horror films arent good anymore, and i blame technology. they all concentrate on...
the scariest monster is one you cannot see
golden gust
ohhh noo, they're walking down a dark corridor
golden gust
ohhh noooo, the lights flickered
ohhh noooo, there was a breeze
oh look, scary monster! aahhh, spooopy
wraith oracle
birdbox was so bad and it got promoted so much
marble lark
the scariest monster is one you cannot see
I meant something like the blair witch trials
the OG film
golden gust
literally the shittest horror movie in existence
the scariest bit was when the screen went blank and the credits started rolling
wraith oracle
I am surprised Sara Bullock accepted to work on such a bad movie
wraith oracle
the scariest bit was when the screen went blank and the credits started rolling
lmfao, I'll steal this one
normal frost
is there any idea that I will accept the transition from the chuncks geradas in the other worlds with the chuncks geradas at 1.18? -
warm anchor
Wut
brave radish
You will be able to upgrade your world to 1.18 once it comes out
golden gust
wat
Mojang has supported world upgrades for the past 10 years
they've literally commented publically that that is one of their major aims here and have even stated that ensuring that is part of why it's split into two parts
merry talon
horror films arent good anymore, and i blame technology. they all concentrate on...
pure horror movies were never good
change my mind
They're just like, fun I guess
if I wouldn't watch a movie by myself I wouldn't call it good
Stuff like annihilation is good because it's also scifi
But who tf wants to just watch a ghost kill people
golden gust
I mean, theres some really good old horror movies