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ashen cliff
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That's like the "best" modded version.

golden gust
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with some level of community backing still? yea, sure, I guess

unkempt drift
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I quite enjoy AE2 channels, they provide just another thing to consider which I like. Those are missing in 1.7.10 tho

golden gust
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But, 1.6.4 was obviously better

ashen cliff
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To be fair, if I wanted I could port my whole pack to 1.7.10, but I would have to give up AE.

formal turret
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is 1.7 where AE became more difficult?

unkempt drift
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I thought it was post 1.7

ashen cliff
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Channels and panels.

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Aka, hell.

unkempt drift
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oh channels is on 1.7?

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I love channels

golden gust
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I wanna say it was .7 where it changed

dark ginkgo
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1.5 was good too lol, I still remember using stuff like the Arrow Golem mod like a decade ago

unkempt drift
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I thought it was post .7

tropic flame
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i used to play quite some 1.7 modded but nowadays i can't live without the vanilla features from 1.9-1.12, so i play 1.12.2 modded now

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which is a quite fantastic version for mods too imo

golden gust
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I forget which mod it was exactly which had the means to clone items using energy

formal turret
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1.7 and 1.12 have lots of really good mods on them

formal turret
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and then there are some pretty cool modern mods now like Create

ashen cliff
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But that died back in 1.4.x.

golden gust
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Now that was dope af towards the mid point of the game where you got tired af doing large mining sessions for the odd material here and there

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Ah, Yea, they did some stupidly large change at some point in which it borked

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maybe I loved 1.4 more then

unkempt drift
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Its back in some other mod, I forget what its called

formal turret
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project E is what the modern version is called

unkempt drift
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yea

ashen cliff
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Tekkit was epic.

tropic flame
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i remember in 1.7 I'd always aim to do the infinite lava energy setup with industrialcraft2, it was cool

golden gust
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I think that some of the older mods just had a lot of creativety which added onto the game as opposed to the whole kitchen sink mods have these days

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Like, one of the things I kinda hated with mods was tryna get into them, especially as an "oh shiney" person

tropic flame
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i guess I'm the opposite, then

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throw machine mods at me, I'll eat them up

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or similar magic mods like thaumcraft or botania

formal turret
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there is so much to do in the kitchen sink packs that after i get some form of automated mining i'm just like "what next"

ashen cliff
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GregTech. kekwhyper

tropic flame
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well i never get to play botania before i get tired of the game tho LMFAO

shell vine
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Ur either a gregtech person or not

formal turret
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2 sticks per log

tropic flame
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lately I've enjoyed Thermal Expansion quite a lot

unkempt drift
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infinity evolved expert mode is maybe my favorite pack ever

formal turret
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I've been trying to play Botania since 1.7, and I have still not played with it logics

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so I guess i'm the same way

tropic flame
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it's less complex than IC2 while simultaneously not making you be a god with the quantum suit and stuff

formal turret
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I played through all of Forestry though, but never botania

tropic flame
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which is i guess a balance

golden gust
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I mean, my thing is that I have the attention span of a potato and if I gotta cross reference too much or two many different energy systems or mods, just, bleh

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I used to love some of the reactor mods though

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Used to have to maintain backups consistently incase I got bored though :L

tropic flame
formal turret
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oh, yea that too

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at least back in 1.7 there were usually servers you could play on

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but otherwise yea, if I make a modded server with friends we play it for 2 weeks and then no one wants to play anymore

ashen cliff
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It's interesting to see, some 1.6.4 packs that are "new", but still use old mod versions. From the looks of it, I have the most up to date mods for 1.6.4. kekwhyper

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I would post them somewhere, for other 1.6.4 people to find... but some devs might not really appreciate that.

formal turret
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are they not all downloaded from curseforge?

ashen cliff
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1.6.4 was the time of CurseForge and Minecraft forum, so no.

tropic flame
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it's so stupid that apparently many threads in minecraft forums got deleted because the authors did not migrate their accounts?

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or accepted the new privacy policy, or something like that

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we actually lost official sources for mods like BetterFurnaces and Rei's Minimap

ashen cliff
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And then you run into cursed mod versions. Like, my version is newer, but smaller, compiled with Java 5,
but the older version, has more code, bigger API and build with Java 6.

tropic flame
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1.6.4 by itself is a bit cursed already

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you need a patch for Forge to run with java 8

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and it was also the era of Cauldrons and MCPCs

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which kinda still exist to this day

ashen cliff
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And non of them work with my pack. kekwhyper

tropic flame
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awesome kekwhyper

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tbh i understand when people say that Bukkit was not meant to be used with mods and any sort of compatibility made between it and Forge is merely on the base of hacks, but

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on the other hand

ashen cliff
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There is also a wrapper that tries to async stuff.

tropic flame
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i understand the users' stance

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in how it's apparently a void that stayed ungapped since Thermos got abandoned until like 2018?

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and people wanted it

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I was one of those people kekwhyper there was no sponge for 1.7 so there I went to use Thermos and complain that buildcraft would hang and crash the server every 30 minutes

golden gust
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The issue is that mods and bukkit where never designed to interop

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if you wanted proper interop you'd need a proper events system bridged between the two ecosystems capable of working properly

formal turret
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isn't that part easy

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sorry, 'easy'

ashen cliff
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Even then, people mostly just wanted stuff like /sethome.

golden gust
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custom items are basically borked af as bukkit doesn't support that, so, unless you wanted to be total ass with defining the material enum at runtime which I can imagine would be fun

ashen cliff
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No Forge mod offered that without a bunch of issues.

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Like, holy ๐Ÿ’ฉ /help doesn't even work in Forge 1.6.4 without A MOD TO FIX IT!

tropic flame
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until Sponge came along no Forge mods really rivaled the mainstream Bukkit plugins imo

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I mean, you didn't have a fancy permissions plugin like PermissionsEx from that time

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WorldGuard was out of the question too

tropic flame
ashen cliff
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Still have to find someone to send me the full 1.6.4 Forge mod making toolchain. Since most files are just gone from existence.

tropic flame
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the libraries and all?

golden gust
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Yes, but pretty sure ess goes out of it's way to accomidate that stuff partially

tropic flame
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i mean maybe the Omniarchive could help

ashen cliff
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Like, just their whole Eclipse setup. kekwhyper

tropic flame
formal turret
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isn't the mdk for the old versions still around?

golden gust
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oh, maybe they do it then

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But, it's still somewhat limited

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e.g. you're not gonna be able to access additional data on modded items, etc

formal turret
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oh, nope nevermind

golden gust
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everything is generally "it works to a degree, the rest is stuff we hack around to a degree"

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You're lying yourself on a foundation of hacks all of which are often a headache of effort to port forward

ashen cliff
golden gust
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and you're relying on mod devs not getting stuck on a specific version themselves

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these forks often have their own goals in mind and often don' have the time/inclination to move it forward or even stick to it

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hence why they die or get stuck on versions until somebody starts almost from scratch

tropic flame
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yeah they all seem to be stuck at 1.12.2 for the moment

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although CatServer and Magma seem to be working on a 1.16.5 build

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far from usable as of now tho

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and Mohist was abandoned kekwhyper

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semi-related, remember the "multithreaded server fork" craze from some years ago?

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like Torch

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what happened to it

ashen cliff
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Abandoned.

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Torch was epic tho.

tropic flame
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Torch and all the similar forks just spawned someday and died LMAO

golden gust
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people found out that the people maintaining this stuff had no clue and the devs kinda gave up

tropic flame
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yeah

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and wasn't the server multithreaded by then already anyway?

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unless they were actually making stuff at the main tick loop async too

golden gust
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They basically tried to thread the tick loop

formal turret
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now it's called akarin? lol

golden gust
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But, basically, new Thread() { .... }

tropic flame
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omg Akarin

golden gust
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all over the fucking place

tropic flame
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sounds like a very decent solution /s

formal turret
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which i guess is abandoned too

tropic flame
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yeah they just all spawned and died like very unfunny memes

golden gust
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Well, that's the issue, practically nobody working on these things knows the first thing about concurrency, so it often just turns into a massive shitstorm of "magical" inconsistency bugs

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in a codebase which mojang can't nail down consistency on a single fucking thread

tropic flame
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they're this weird piece of minecraft history that neither became very important in a positive way, nor was at least present enough to be known by everyone for its shittyness

tropic flame
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and that's without throwing plugins into the equation

blazing flicker
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e now im here

bright dawn
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but whyohmagawd

coarse urchin
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does the bungeecord component thing not have a way to set the sender?

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trying to make a test plugin on spigot api to reproduce a bug

lean kiln
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I think it does have at least one method to send where you can provide the sender identity

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yeah

coarse urchin
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on it's on the stupid spigot inner class

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forgot that existed

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thx

unkempt drift
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using bungee components

coarse urchin
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trying to make a test plugin on spigot api to reproduce a bug

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smh

unkempt drift
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oh didnt see that

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smh

void void
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hello, do i need the jar files for the plugin to run, or just the folders will run it?

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oo ok, thanks

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oo ok

golden gust
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hm

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I liked Not Machine Maker better

true canyon
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Shame they're gone now.

sudden aurora
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yo is anyone familiar with moneyhunters?
My issue is this:
I bought the premium version, and im trying to make it so certain ranks are getting constant boosts but i'm doing it wrong and i would appreciate it if someone could show me the proper way ๐Ÿ˜„

true canyon
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As a first step, did you consider asking the people you paid money to?

sudden aurora
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Maybe im just slow but i tried to contact them on Spigot and theres nothing to do so, last comments are from 2020

golden gust
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.whotoblame

limber knotBOT
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Aikar, of course!

golden gust
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(needed for internal use)

sudden aurora
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Ranks:
Money_Multiplier:
Mythic_ultra: 4.0
mythic3: 3.0
mythic2: 2.0
mythic1: 1.5
Exp_Multiplier:
Mythic_ultra: 4.0
mythic3: 3.0
mythic2: 2.0
mythic1: 1.5

This is what i put in the config, I replace it from the default and made sure there was no spaces and when im in one the ranks mentioned above, no boosts are applied

golden gust
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We can't provide support for random software on the internet, especially not "premium" software

true canyon
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Cat, you'll love this plugin's 1.17 update changelog:

1.17 Support. Bugs, lags and errors are included.
golden gust
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Nice!

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I love included lags!

true canyon
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Complimentary slowdowns! Just for you! Don't even need to ask!

warm anchor
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Man they take your money and make fun of you!

untold copper
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owo

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@warm anchor new avatar

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very cool

void void
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Hello guys, how do i make a spawn point where every body joining server will be spawning at, and every body using command /spawn should be spawned at that point

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please help

warm anchor
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you can use essentialx it has a spawn plugin

warm anchor
void void
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how to make glowing line effect in minecraft like hypixel has for Mvp++,

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pls help

bronze fractal
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you guys notice the awful minecraft wiki redesign?

chrome kite
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..

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.

bronze fractal
void void
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which pluggin?

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but i use Paper

untold copper
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paper

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is vanilla

void void
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oo ok, thanks

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thanks, but is there a pluggin to make like this?

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and also this command only works for 30 seconds, how do i make it forever?

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/effect give @s glowing

untold copper
void void
covert latch
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Will the - y depth update likely lead to Minecraft worlds fully just breaking in major ways again? I'm unaware if they covered what might happen..

woven osprey
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How to brake bedrock in paper 1.17?

limber knotBOT
covert latch
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Ah okay, wonder how that'll effect em but that's good to know

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Are we gonna get chunk cliffs but instead.. Cutoff underground areas ๐Ÿค”

unkempt ridge
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Hey there, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this- it's been a while since I spoke in this server.

Does anyone have any advice on the best way to archive an old minecraft server's world files? (Also if I post this to the forums where should I put it?)

void void
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but i want the wings affect

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its premium, so any other pluggins that will ad 2 wings in my back?

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like this

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anyone help me please

unkempt drift
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probably can do that with a datapack.

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Someone can get right on that ๐Ÿ˜›

void void
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what is repeating command blocks?

upbeat falconBOT
void void
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thanks, but a last help, how do i give a color to it?

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looks like redstone dust which has a way to do color

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at least I think redstone dust was the special RGB one, I'm sure a quick google search would solve this question

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oh didn't realize we were talking about the glowing effect

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yeah team colors from what I know

woven osprey
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Why doesn't my paper 1.17 server have the paper.yml file?

potent fossil
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Are you sure it's paper you're running

void void
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i have a team named owner and the color is light blue for the team but when i use that command, it gave me white effect instead of light blue

woven osprey
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[23:10:04] [Server thread/INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-71 (MC: 1.17) (Implementing API version 1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: 0ae6dd2)

potent fossil
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Have you already accepted the eula? Is this a new server, or old?

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Also, update to build 79

woven osprey
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Half new, half old.

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The world is old but the server is new

potent fossil
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so eula is done already?

woven osprey
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yep

potent fossil
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Like server is fully starting up

woven osprey
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The servers been running 1.17 for a week now.

potent fossil
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There should be a paper.yml then, for sure. I'd get the latest jar from the downloads page on the website and try it, and if not then erm...definitely file a bug report as it should be generated when the server starts. Can I see a startup log?

warm anchor
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are you running with one of those free host ._.

woven osprey
upbeat falconBOT
woven osprey
warm anchor
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so your paper.yml will be in the root folder of whereever you start the server on

lime oak
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what os are you running it on

woven osprey
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Windows

lime oak
woven osprey
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nvm, I found the paper.yml.

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Thanks for all of your help though.

void void
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how to make a rainbow star?

warm anchor
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what

void void
# warm anchor what

like i saw a video where i can have a rainbow glow effect in my body with rainbow star

frank otter
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.

golden gust
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if that's a question you're asking us, generally, yes

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We're not teachers, we're people who've been working on java many of us for years and many of us have forgotten the hells of learning and finding all the material

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We don't have the time or energy to commit to teaching everybody java, especially when 99% of "java help" specific questions are stuff you'd do first few lessons of any decent course material (printing out durations into pretty, etc), or have already been asked & answered 100 times before

vernal moth
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Day two, here we go

wispy blade
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wtf

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a thinkpad not running linux?

golden gust
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god, I miss a clit mouse

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) xkcd: Appropriate Term (2 April 2007)

golden gust
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and, yea, mini is a being of many sins

vernal moth
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It's my work 16 inch

golden gust
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You get used to it

formal turret
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...

vernal moth
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My work 13 inch is fedora

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Both aren't my choice

formal turret
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Do you sleep cat? It seems like you're always here

wispy blade
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lol

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cat shits on my rug to regain energy

formal turret
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O damn ok

wispy blade
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it's really counterintuitive

golden gust
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I erm, sleep schedule, and, broken, and, erm... yea...

formal turret
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Ah ok

vernal moth
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I get a new Thinkpad next year apperently

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Maybe I get a better cpu then

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But am ready to be disappointed

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The difference between a normal laptop and a dev laptop is 8 vs 32gb ram ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Before we also got ssds and plebs didn't but now everybody gets ssds

wispy blade
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my laptop has emmc lol

void void
vernal moth
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Paper go brrrrrr

wispy blade
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spigot always at the same level while paper keeps getting more and more Pog

frank otter
frank otter
lime oak
vernal moth
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This is how you are supposed to participate in a seminar, right?

golden gust
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close enough ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

frank otter
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mini can you play the entertainer

vernal moth
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Kek he goes into Tesla talk again

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And yes I can

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Today even without the notes apparently

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Ah yes m4a

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Also no embed, smfh google

wispy blade
lime oak
vernal moth
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Am really bad at piano ๐Ÿ˜‚

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But I play from memory mostly

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U know that one?

ancient bolt
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recently had a friend give me an antique (1940s) player-piano with the player mechanism removed

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looking to get it restored properly, but I've been fiddling with it a little bit. makes me want to get back into learning piano

frank otter
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there's a massive piano in a hospital near where I live, and I'd love to play the entertainer on that

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issue is i don't know the entertainer

vernal moth
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Do you see the timestamp?

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That means I first played this song at age 10

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So you can do it too

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It's rather simple

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but it requires regular access to a piano where you can play

magic river
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I found what I'm using for all my shell scripts https://github.com/google/zx

GitHub

A tool for writing better scripts. Contribute to google/zx development by creating an account on GitHub.

wispy blade
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18k stars

vernal moth
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basically I try to play every day for like 15 mins in a lunch break or smth

wispy blade
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wtf

vernal moth
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often more

faint crystal
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are people like this trolls or just really bad?

vernal moth
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its how I got thru quarantaine, first stole back my keyboard, later stole back my epiano from my parents

vernal moth
faint crystal
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NO

vernal moth
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but you right

wispy blade
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hey kacper where tf were you last night

vernal moth
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I shouldn't play anno right now

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I should play league and p0wn some n00bs

faint crystal
vernal moth
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you know its too early when nobody on your league friend list is playing, lmfao

faint crystal
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no?

vernal moth
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excuses

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I am working too right now

faint crystal
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ah right

vernal moth
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am learning about levels of architectural decisions right now!

wispy blade
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i am

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omw to school for exams

vernal moth
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glhf

wispy blade
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should probably study while i can

vernal moth
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no, work, lol

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I wasnt kidding when I said I was working

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I am in a 3 day seminar about flexible architecture

faint crystal
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oh sounds fun

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meanwhile my panth sup jumps into mf and leo solo

desert fjord
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what is hangar dev?

golden gust
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they're, erm... devs, on hangar

desert fjord
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ic lmao

lime oak
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read the channel topic thinksmart

void void
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reading

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๐Ÿ˜ด

wispy blade
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@ashen cliff bro! i finished KGBdb

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can handle 1 billion inserts at once, processed within 1 cpu cycle

heady spear
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@mental meadow uwu cutie x

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@minor badge du lukter fis

minor badge
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@heady spear tack

heady spear
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vรฆrsรฅgod

wispy blade
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phone abt to die sadge

vestal jasper
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nerd

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smelly nerd

minor badge
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!ban @void void Ads

thorny flickerBOT
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:raised_hands: Banned EmpireBlocks.net#5518 (Ads) [1 total infraction] -- Proximyst#6900.

wispy blade
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mari best mari

astral linden
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๐Ÿ‘

wispy blade
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with the warp speed bans

vestal jasper
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mariiiiiiiiii

minor badge
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helo

astral linden
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hello

warm thunder
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Has someone a good solution for player tab-autocomplete for bungee since BungeeTabListPlus doesnt support auto tab a players name

worn ember
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probably easiest to make a feature request for that with the plugin author

vernal moth
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What the actual fuck

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Discord has a startup sound

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That so cancer

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Who thought that that was a good idea

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I thought the application startup sound died with Skype

plucky sparrow
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huh the "discordo" thing?

vernal moth
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No application ever should make a sound when starting

golden gust
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probs tryna score credits for the next time MS decides to try buy them

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extra leverage and all

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Yoooou have a startup sound?!

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WEEEE have a startup sound?! samsies? more $$$$?!

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I mean

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if you're tryna say that mini is dumb

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Well, nobody can argue against that

worn ember
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i can still hear the skype startup sound

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its carved into my brain for the rest of my life

golden gust
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itt: Paper startup sound.

worn ember
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Yes plz

little frost
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if you click the home button in the top left like 15 times rapidly it toggles a startup sound which is uh... something

worn ember
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Discordu

golden gust
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wat

worn ember
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try it cat lol

wispy blade
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can confirm it does

little frost
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it feels like uh, weeb pandering

worn ember
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its real

golden gust
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wow

wispy blade
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disukodo

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why

little frost
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I'm pretty sure it's been around for a long long time as an "easter egg"

worn ember
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yeah, theres a few easter eggs

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its true i saw it on yt kappa

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its just weeb version of discord

little frost
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internally the sound file is called "Discodo"

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there are also variants for the april fools garbage

golden gust
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I just want you peeps to know that

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screw you guys, am goin home bed

cobalt surge
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Hi cat

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You can't go to bed yet

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I just got up.. I have to bug you for a few minutes at least

golden gust
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Do I know you?

cobalt surge
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Stranger danger??

golden gust
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Got any candy?

cobalt surge
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Tons actually

golden gust
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Deal!

cobalt surge
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Lol

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Now that I'm done bothering you... I must get ready for work

worn ember
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imagine working

prime hawk
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Hi guys? Is this the right channel to get some plugin recommendations (im asking about punishment plugins today, so the likes of AdvancedBans, etc) Or should i go to #paper-help?

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Or is that strictly not the right server to ask such questions

viral hornet
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I would use LiteBans

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Some people are always against it, but, for me it's always worked well without any issues.

void void
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world guard don't allow players to destroy blocks and allow to break for players with ops, but can i make it like also not allow users with ops to break blocks? and only allow the user with ops to break block if the user use the command /enableblockbreak ? i tried googleing but did not found any solution

quick pasture
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deny the worldguard bypass permission for your ops ig

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why do you even have ops, if you dont want them to have all permissions?

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cant you just then setup a manager role in which u give all permissions manually?

void void
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how do i always set weather clear in my mc server i dont want it raining and i dont want to use command blocks too

quick pasture
quasi valley
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gamerule doweathercycle

void void
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false

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?

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o

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okie

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lemme try

void void
quasi valley
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why do people always ignore the majority of a sentence where they're told to use another channel omegaroll

tawny stag
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Hello, I use cleaner of aikar in my project but the repository is down ?

mossy vessel
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return aikar's vac asap!

tawny stag
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?

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I don't understand

mossy vessel
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From the little bit I understood, yes, it appears the timings server has a few issues atm.

tawny stag
#

ok

void void
mossy vessel
#

This is not a marketplace

warm anchor
#

Sounds like your typical โ€œletโ€™s share a house but I have full control type of scamโ€ PepeLa

warm anchor
wispy blade
#

just get a friend to do it lol

warm anchor
#

Look at this Naomi flexing her friends

olive marlin
#

EterNity new epic avatar?

frank otter
#

oh yes that is a new avatar

#

reminiscent of a helicopter

warm anchor
#

New banner too weebravemove

frank otter
#

I completely forgot banners were a thing

wispy blade
#

smh

warm anchor
#

Fixed

twin lagoon
warm anchor
mental meadow
#

hui

warm anchor
royal kernel
#

What character is your avatar?

mental meadow
#

Rie is best girl

meager tusk
#

sticker spam ๐Ÿ˜

olive marlin
#

She seems to be missing her arms.

twin lagoon
#

@meager tusk IDRIZ!

#

BRO!

meager tusk
#

BRO!

royal shadow
#

1.17.1 gang

#

let's go

void void
#

1.17.1 ๐Ÿ‘€

warm anchor
#

Oh god

waxen panther
#

Let the etas begin

warm anchor
#

Now people is gonna ask 1.17.1 when

waxen panther
warm anchor
tropic flame
#

did Refreshment get banned?

warm anchor
royal kernel
#

Thats pretty cool

warm anchor
royal kernel
#

Who drew her? Thats a really good drawing

quasi valley
#

replied to the wrong message but AlienPls3

warm anchor
warm anchor
little frost
#

1.17.2 when

royal kernel
warm anchor
novel horizon
radiant oriole
#

Kenny appreciation post

warm anchor
#

ITT people with no knowledge of how to install other version with built in feature phossure

#

Via is nice but people who canโ€™t be arsed to use older version on first day of release isnโ€™t worth either rieYEP

waxen panther
#

spigot already out mcc_pog

radiant oriole
#

My server is for the masses - and the masses leave their launcher on โ€œlatestโ€

#

So I do my absolute best to support the new version a day before it releases

warm anchor
#

Fuck them krappa

peak ginkgo
#

I agree

foggy veldt
#

:o I saw u on otv server

#

Dj famous

peak ginkgo
#

Just got recognized, you've made my day @foggy veldt

foggy veldt
#

Autograph ๐Ÿ™‡โ€โ™‚๏ธ

peak ginkgo
#

Bro it's so weird I googled my name on a new computer yesterday

#

Somewhere that's not my home network

waxen panther
#

who is dejay

peak ginkgo
#

Some of the top autofillable results are "dejaydev OTV"

#

And people looking for my twitch/twitter

foggy veldt
#

I saw a glimpse of the site icon and got confused

charred sleet
peak ginkgo
#

LOL

charred sleet
#

idk i have just seen this conversation

peak ginkgo
warm anchor
#

Nice pornhub dejay

charred sleet
#

no offence for not knowing you

#

๐Ÿ˜„

peak ginkgo
#

DisguisedToast pays me to maintain a server box for them

#

And sometimes stuff happens on it

novel horizon
#

wth happened to gamepedia wiki

peak ginkgo
#

They have a domain dedicated to their projects and I rotate subdomains from words related to temperature

cunning raft
#

Funny

peak ginkgo
#

Frigid, icy, cold, snowy

novel horizon
#

Gamepedia now redirects to fandom confusedparrot

peak ginkgo
#

I've used icy cold and snowy

#

We don't talk about cold I accidentally leaked that one the day before we streamed :|

warm anchor
#

Dejay big server maintainer

#

Wow

peak ginkgo
#

One of the mods in the modpack thought it would be funny to attach to my Discord

warm anchor
peak ginkgo
#

My friend dmd me the ip in full

peak ginkgo
#

"how"
"Check your status"
"Shit"

charred sleet
#

oh wait

meager tusk
#

LOL

charred sleet
#

i know how

#

lmao

peak ginkgo
#

Actual pain

charred sleet
#

yeah

meager tusk
#

Whaaat

foggy veldt
#

Itโ€™s 2021 everything from your text editor to your chrome tabs need rich presence

meager tusk
#

That should be opt-in

charred sleet
#

well - at least it was the day before and not the day of

peak ginkgo
twin lagoon
#

what's the motd @peak ginkgo

peak ginkgo
#

On the Minecraft server?

twin lagoon
#

yes

peak ginkgo
#

I think it's the name of the modpack

twin lagoon
#

what's the modpack name

foggy veldt
#

Was the server running one of those forge bukkit hybrids like arclight or just forge server

peak ginkgo
#

&bBetterMC OTV Edition

charred sleet
twin lagoon
#

do you host a webserver on the same machine

waxen panther
#

legacy moment

peak ginkgo
#

@foggy veldt Just forge, I wrote everything personally

#

Well everything we needed

#

@twin lagoon Wings, yes.

#

Nicknames, some of the game balancing features, bunch of other random shit was all made by me, so now I can write Forge mods

#

Actually not that hard, surprisingly.

charred sleet
#

they seem harder than plugins tho

peak ginkgo
#

Very much more "technical"

foggy veldt
#

Havenโ€™t messed around with forge, heard they added mixins tho

peak ginkgo
#

But you're literally bound by almost nothing

charred sleet
#

yeah true

peak ginkgo
#

Forge mixins are dope

#

The mod was called Basic and because Basic added nicknames

#

I used Mixins to force claim blocks to support nicknames

cunning raft
#

Shoulda called it essentials 4Heed

peak ginkgo
#

Basically yeah it was Essentials

#

Random stuff I needed

#

Figuring out where someone hid their claim block, figuring out who's property I'm on

#

Who's pet something is

#

Worried Michael is gonna dm me the servers IP

twin lagoon
#

already got it

warm anchor
#

Lmao

charred sleet
twin lagoon
#

deez nuts

warm anchor
charred sleet
peak ginkgo
#

So smooth

#

I love blob

cunning raft
#

Man

#

Will discuss with the mod team how quickly we can instantly ban anyone who uses stickers

twin lagoon
#

warship can block stickers

#

just saying

cunning raft
#

Nah nah

warm anchor
#

Bro

waxen panther
charred sleet
#

what is wrong with stickers ๐Ÿ˜ 

warm anchor
#

Noooooo

cunning raft
#

Can't block stickers

warm anchor
#

No blocking

cunning raft
#

Need to instantly ban anyone who uses them

twin lagoon
waxen panther
twin lagoon
#

kori stickers when

waxen panther
#

im too dumb

charred sleet
#

im suprised there isn't a separate perm node tbh

twin lagoon
warm anchor
#

brocco got a job so he can afford stickers

charred sleet
#

for using stickers

warm anchor
charred sleet
#

true

cunning raft
waxen panther
#

๐Ÿ˜

warm anchor
cunning raft
#

/mute @waxen panther disrespectful

waxen panther
#

please dont ping me

cunning raft
#

I'm so sorry@waxen panther

waxen panther
#

its ok @cunning raft

warm anchor
#

broccolai [working/very limited availability]

waxen panther
#

broccolai [broccolai]

twin lagoon
#

@waxen panther

misty dune
#

Hello

warm anchor
misty dune
#

Have times a quick question and namely there Paper also for 1.12.2?

twin lagoon
#

yes

#

.downloads

limber knotBOT
misty dune
#

k

twin lagoon
#

legacy page

misty dune
twin lagoon
#

legacy

#

hit the legacy button

misty dune
#

Ah ok+

#

Thx for the help :)

warm anchor
#

I was wrong as what that person was gonna ask paperUwU

wind frost
#

Hello

#

Is Minecraft 1.17.1 released?

wide chasm
#

Yes

gilded cedar
#

don't you have it when companies put 1 program inside a folder on the start menu...

twin lagoon
#

any idea why mc client performance is very bad on a 6800xt & 3960x?

#

like <50fps with vsync off for some reason

astral linden
#

you try with vsync on?

twin lagoon
#

yes

#

it's a specific mc issue asell

#

since other games work fine

magic river
#

MC is probably the only GL game you have

#

AMD's GL implementation is kind of shit

astral linden
#

i mean for a game thats not really a gfx card intensive game and more processor and memory... whats your processor and memory specs?

magic river
#

Processor is a 3690x

wispy blade
#

lol

astral linden
#

hm

#

couldnt explain.. using 1.17.1?

twin lagoon
astral linden
#

shouldn't is the operative word

magic river
#

That's kind of the opposite?

#

I think the GL driver on Linux is better than the one on Windows

#

It's definitely better than their old closed source one on Linux

wispy blade
#

always does kekw

magic river
#

And the closed source one is supposed to be similar between Linux and Windows

#

So it's probably shit on Windows too

twin lagoon
#

yeah AMD GL driver is better on linux

#

just need mesa aswell

#

nothing picky about linux

digital ruin
#

someone know a good tool to try to fix corrupted chunks?

magic river
#

delete and regenerate

digital ruin
#

or kill then

#

how could i do this only in a chunk, without remove all region?

magic river
#

Make backups first, of course

digital ruin
#

thanks i'll try

jolly belfry
#

1.17.1 released?

wispy blade
#

vanilla and spigot yes, paper not yet

#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Paper updates have no ETA, "rough estimate", or anything of the likes -- ever. They come when they come. Be patient.

jolly belfry
#

I am asking vanilla

#

Naomi is super fast

wispy blade
#

what 100 wpm does to a mf

#

๐Ÿ˜”

viral hornet
#

only 100wpm?

#

weak

jolly belfry
#

๐Ÿ‘€

viral hornet
#

@twin lagoon is like 160 ๐Ÿฅบ

wispy blade
#

michael is a wpm sweat

twin lagoon
#

180

wispy blade
#

but do you use qwerty

twin lagoon
#

yes

#

dvorak is dumb

wispy blade
#

hmmmmm

#

true

worn ember
#

Oops

twin lagoon
#

colemak is also dumb

worn ember
#

If only you had a layout to complement your lang amirite

wispy blade
#

dutch layout kekw

worn ember
#

Azerty gang

wispy blade
#

hang on

#

grades/layout (lower is better)

#

azerty with the highest grade kekw

waxen panther
#

azerty is terrible

wispy blade
#

fact

worn ember
#

The only reason they're so much higher is cuz no normal person uses the others

#

Skewed stats lol

wispy blade
#

not really

#

it's literally people saying they hate azerty kekw

worn ember
#

Grades is what

frank otter
#

whats the server start flags thing

#

.startmc

limber knotBOT
blazing flicker
#

1.17.1 has been released YEY

#

Time to update now devs JN_keka

wispy blade
#

kenny's working on it rn

void void
#

which command is used to always have constant weather like, not rain, no thunder etc, i know how to make of day, but dont know this

wispy blade
#

use the minecraft wiki

digital ruin
potent panther
#

paper 1.17.1?

magic river
#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Paper updates have no ETA, "rough estimate", or anything of the likes -- ever. They come when they come. Be patient.

mighty storm
#

vanilal 1.17.1 is out? what

#

man am i behind

wispy blade
#

yes

olive marlin
mossy creek
#

i use arch btw

mighty storm
#

well who cares bout them lol

olive marlin
#

Paper patches seem to apply too.

#

Well, we do because we can work on Paper update already.

#

Don't have to wait for MD to wake up.

mighty storm
#

oh yeah thats fair

lime oak
#

mojang updated at around <t:1625579212>
fabric updated at around <t:1625580232>
spigot updated at around <t:1625580232>
sponge updated at around <t:1625584560>

mighty storm
#

oh damn fancy timestamps

#

where is sponge

true canyon
#

Less than 2 hours after Mojang.

olive marlin
#

Exactly 90 minutes later they made an announcement.

true canyon
#

Published Sponge announce was <t:1625584560>

mighty storm
#

also where is forge

#

gotta cover all the bases

#

and where is roryspigot

olive marlin
#

Who cares about forge?

mighty storm
#

me

meager tusk
#

Where's hMod?

olive marlin
#

Where is QuiltMC?

mighty storm
#

quilt mc > forge > fabric

wispy blade
#

Where's KGBTuinity 2.5 Idriz?

mighty storm
#

i will take no questions

meager tusk
wispy blade
#

oh sorry bro

olive marlin
#

Smh, I started meeting and someone started drilling...

true canyon
#

My server can finally go live as soon as Yatopia's out!

meager tusk
wispy blade
mighty storm
#

sponge > paper > spigot >= craftbukkit < vanilla > yatopia

meager tusk
#

You've got it backwards.

olive marlin
meager tusk
#

Yatopia > โ™พ๏ธ

#

What the fuck is Sugarcane

wispy blade
#

KGBTuinity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything bro

olive marlin
#

Yatopia is dead. Long live Yatopia 2.0

olive marlin
meager tusk
#

God damn it

olive marlin
#

It's called SugarcaneMC, but has bamboo as logo

true canyon
meager tusk
#

wow it really is bamboo lol

lament patio
lime oak
#

ye

#

doesn't work on mobile tho lul

#

<t:EPOCH_TIMESTAMP_IN_SECONDS>

mighty storm
#

yes it does? update your app

tidal spoke
#

Just wanted to pop in and say thanks to paper devs for working so hard on this, 1.17.1 just got out and there's already 3 commits for 1.17.1 support, sounds like the devs are forsaking their life to work on it or something, so thanks a bunch

mighty storm
#

ive heard it work fine on ios and android

meager tusk
#

Hmm. <t:-1>

#

Wow that's neat

mighty storm
#

you can even do negativw

#

<t:-54435435:t>

meager tusk
#

Yeah I'd expect it to

mighty storm
#

<t:-62167198164>

<t:1624924743>
<t:1624924743:T>
<t:1624924743:d>
<t:1624924743:D>
<t:1624924743:f>
<t:1624924743:F>
<t:1624924743:R>

brave radish
#

<t:1625579212:R>

#

<t:1625579212:R>

lime oak
wispy blade
#

certified poah moment

lament patio
#

Hm

#

Where do you guys get info on the syntax?

lime oak
#

yeah iOS is dead last when it comes to updates

mighty storm
#

i just saw jda pr about it lol

brave radish
#

Now we can just say "shut up, Mojang only released <t:1625579212:R>"

#

then it'll look really weird in a year though kekw

mighty storm
#

1 year ago

lime oak
#

found the regex for it

#

"^<t:(-?\\d{1,17})(?::(" + L + "))?>"

nimble depot
#

Hold on, Warship is a a custom bot or a generic one

mossy vessel
#

Not custom, but invite only

unreal quarry
nimble depot
#

I know Carl has pretty good logging functionality

brave radish
#

I forgot Carl was even here

mossy vessel
#

If they wouldn't be used, they wouldn't be here.

nimble depot
#

I always prefer to go the custom bot route (mainly because I like to have one tool that does exactly what one needs)

potent fossil
#

mfw i just got up for nothing. i got up, went into class, all of it. just to find out lecture was cancelled

cunning raft
#

Kash is making Eraser

warm anchor
#

Lmao

untold copper
#

day #30 of trying to get abs: 1 month checkpoint bois. Weight is ~58kg and height is ~162cm. Not bad but not good either. Next whole month is gonna be strength and conditioning rather than cardio. Also im stopping all sugar :(

#

this is fine

nimble depot
#

I rarely see the bots getting used here. Moslty someone getting banned for spam and such

wide chasm
#

Moderation is basically all we use bots for

untold copper
#

why did we yeet dyno?

wide chasm
#

Some other stuff as well, but moderation is the main one

brave radish
untold copper
#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Paper updates have no ETA, "rough estimate", or anything of the likes -- ever. They come when they come. Be patient.

untold copper
#

ok gn im exhausted

#

wiring ethernet wall ports all day is tiring

brave radish
#

It also pastebins log files automatically, and I think it can even do gziped ones

nimble depot
#

What I usually see is people using bots as toys

brave radish
#

no one would ever do that here...

#

.tacos

limber knotBOT
#

๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ

waxen panther
#

bmi is a terrible measurement if you're trying to gain muscle

green tartan
#

how come spigot update 1.17.1 so damn fast

brave radish
#

Cuz md_5 does snapshots and doesn't release them so forks can't do the same

green tartan
#

oh

worn crest
#

md_5 is a special boy

brave radish
#

paper hardfork wen

ancient bolt
#

and spigot doesn't really have very many changes to apply, craftbukkit included

rich elbow
#

"issues will get fixed once reported"? lol

humble topaz
#

when paper 1.17.1 ?

waxen panther
#

.eta

#

๐Ÿ™„

limber knotBOT
#

Paper updates have no ETA, "rough estimate", or anything of the likes -- ever. They come when they come. Be patient.

frank otter
#

wait since when did tacos exist

#

.tacos

limber knotBOT
#

๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ๐ŸŒฎ

green tartan
#

can i know what exactly did the dns changes mean in 1.17.1? affecting minecraft server?

left swift
#

DNS means do not smell

#

So if u smell mojang bans u

#

Forever

broken rampart
#

it's nice that 1.17.1 is mentioned often enough in general that a #1-17-1-status channel isn't necessary

warm anchor
hot hamlet
#

Uh this is one cave of many like this. I think i have alot of mobs xD

left swift
#

Wheres the mobs I can t find them without a red circle

hot hamlet
warm anchor
#

Wow nice mob

frank otter
#

this is brilliant

#

.whatdoyouputonyourtaco

limber knotBOT
#

I put Z750 on my tacos!

hot hamlet
#

Considering the server mob spawn cap is 50. Im not suprised xD

warm anchor
#

Wow you gave your member 50 mobs???

#

Insane owner!

hot hamlet
#

Yea 50 for the whole server OMEGALUL . jk. Well i have 30 players and the mspt is around 30 with this on a survival vanilla farm based server so its wroking well

#

Powered by Airplaneโ„ข๏ธ

lime oak
#

.whip someone

limber knotBOT
#

whips someone

heady turret
#

Taking BARE LONG

waxen panther
#

no

nimble depot
#

Hold on, .eta is triggering it to yell at someone. Not automatically yelling at someone

brave radish
#

yeah

#

but Pencil used to automatically

#

.eta is Korobi

warm anchor
#

No eta

#

Oh wait I was scrolled up

brave radish
#

(including people trying to trigger it intentionally in #paper-help )

warm anchor
#

You guys already yelled at them

vernal moth
#

Kek

#

My phone regonized my piano playing

#

Is that a compliment to my phone or to my piano skills? ๐Ÿ˜‚

potent fossil
#

Your phone is just trying to make you feel better about yourself by recognizing general tone patterns

vernal moth
#

Did we really need yet another game engine?

#

Why didn't all those companies just throw their resources at godot

#

I don't get it

#

Why design everything from first principles all the time

#

I guess most of this is just good old cry engine

#

Or whatever is left of it

#

But still

#

Why not support an already active community

left swift
#

They want to be next valve

vernal moth
#

I would have hoped for better from the fucking Linux foundation

ancient bolt
#

After we get it turned I'll try again and see if it works any better...

vernal moth
#

It's only a few songs it knows the piano versions of, but Amelie and river flows it gets every time after just a few bars

ancient bolt
#

I guess O3DE is supposed to be like a modern opengl? But don't we already have vulkan?

vernal moth
#

No it's a game engine

#

It's straight up what's left of cryengine

#

Afer amazon ruined it

#

But for some reason every game tech company on earth seems to be on board

ancient bolt
#

oh i see

#

i mean cryengine is amazing

vernal moth
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Some red hat dude on Twitter being like, red hat contributed to godot and to o3de, I don't see a ton of overlap

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And I am like, wtf

ancient bolt
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it was so far ahead of the competition back in the day

vernal moth
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It was

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It was never nice to use tho

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Nobody wanted to use it

ancient bolt
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heh

vernal moth
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Which is why it's dead

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Godot on the other hand has been developed together with the community for their needs

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And the user flows in godot are so easy and intuitive

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You can learn godot in a weekend no problem

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It just makes me sad that all these resources get wasted, because I don't have much hope that many ppl will actually wanna use a new engine

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Cause the market is already fragmented

ancient bolt
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does godot support the advanced GPU techniques and lighting and physics engines etc etc necessary for AAA games?

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Could be red hat doesn't see overlap because godot is easy to use but much less capable

vernal moth
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Godot 4 does

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Their new light mapper produces results comparable to ue5, just cheaper

ancient bolt
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seems like most games these days are built with unity, since it's like an all-in-one box

vernal moth
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Godot 4 has a Vulkan renderer

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Unity is a asshat company tho

ancient bolt
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and yeah ue

vernal moth
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Godot is the new unity basically, and ue5 is the big studio engine

ancient bolt
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but if godot is foss that's cool

vernal moth
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And everything else really is just duplicated work

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Godot is full foss

ancient bolt
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blizzard always makes their own engines lol

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there's everyone else, then there's blizzard and frostbyte or w/e

vernal moth
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Godot is backed by the free software conservancy

ancient bolt
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the engine battlefield and battlefront uses

vernal moth
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Everything at EA mostly uses frostbyte now

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Like, need for speed, fifa etc use it

ancient bolt
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played forza horizon 4 last night until like 4AM

vernal moth
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Frostbite is a game engine developed by DICE, designed for cross-platform use on Microsoft Windows, seventh generation game consoles PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, eighth generation game consoles PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Nintendo Switch and ninth generation game consoles PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S.
The game engine was originally employed ...

ancient bolt
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I had no idea there was a lego mode in it when i bought it

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fucking amazong

vernal moth
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Yeah all latest EA games are frostbyte

ancient bolt
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dice, that was it. couldn't remember the company

vernal moth
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More and more studios just use unreal tho nowadays

proud narwhal
left swift
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Gratz

proud narwhal
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thinking its my RP, seems its like 3 gb

vernal moth
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We will see what comes out of o3de

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I just wanna have godot 4 alpha and my life will be complete

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The info on o3de is really conflicting

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Some ppl just say it's lumberyard (Amazon's cryengine fork), opensourced

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Some ppl say it's a new thing, but code from lumberyard ported over

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Watch star citizen spend another year migrating engine again ๐Ÿ˜‚

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At this point that's the only game I know that uses lumberyard/cryengine

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Ok o3de is just the next major Version of lumberyard open sourced

ancient bolt
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lumberyard is a way shittier name than cryengine

unreal siren
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can we do paid advertising here?

vernal moth
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No.

vernal moth
unreal siren
vernal moth
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I mean, I would like to thank amazon for rescuing crytek

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But at this point all talent from crytek went to star citizen anyways

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Chris Roberts literally opened a studio in Frankfurt to have a place for all these frustrated ppl from crytek

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Crytek was such a nice company, but the founders just wanted too much and destroyed everything

mint pike
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๐Ÿค” maybe I should update?

wispy blade
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yes.

brave radish
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kek uh yeah

mint pike
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I just set this up ๐Ÿ˜… Some friends wanted me to host them a mc server...

lament patio
wispy blade
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those versions have numerous bugs that can corrupt your world ๐Ÿ‘€

mint pike
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I just picked up what was on the AUR ๐Ÿ˜…

vernal moth
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Paper is on the aur?

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Wat

mint pike
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yeah

warm anchor
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Ughhhhh

vernal moth
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Pls just use it from the official website :/

warm anchor
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Yeah who packaged that

mint pike
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I just followed the wiki xD

twin lagoon
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yeah just don't use the AUR for minecraft servers

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just create a directory, download the jar from papermc.io and run it in a tmux window

vernal moth
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Fucking arch ppl

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Smh

mint pike
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๐Ÿ˜‚

vernal moth
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I don't get why they dont make it auto updating

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This is worse than dum hosts

mint pike
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Because it doesn't auto update ๐Ÿ˜…

twin lagoon
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don't auto update

left swift
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The more out of date it is, the more stable! /s

vernal moth
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No they should have CI setup to push new paper build the the AUR

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If they decide to rehost our software, they should at least keep it up to date

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Nothing worse than distirbuting old builds

warm anchor
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Smh mini not providing a wget for latest auto updater smh my head!

vernal moth
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Well, actually, there is something worse

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Distributing modified paper Versions and calling it paper

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Whichever fucked host did that

mint pike
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With hosts, do you mean people who sell "minecraft servers"?

warm anchor
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||Pebble|| PepeLa

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Yes

mint pike
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ah. I just rent a vps

vernal moth
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What the fuck

brave radish
vernal moth
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Nuked that link straight from orbit

brave radish
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At least Pebblehost's Timings server they modified the jar for has a really nice UI

unkempt drift
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Have yet to encounter this mythical Paper host

vernal moth
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Cool, they should contribute that

mint pike
vernal moth
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Or at least call their software pebblepaper

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Or whatever

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But modifying paper and not changing the name is just asking for trouble

golden gust
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Insanely shit too

brave radish
# vernal moth Cool, they should contribute that

They said they thought about it but didn't think y'all were interested. Not trying to defend them, and yeah they should say it's not Paper, just saying if you want it maybe they'll give it to you :)

twin lagoon
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that's bullshit

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it's been mentioned various times before

golden gust
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Yea, that's complete bs

twin lagoon
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the director of pebblehost literally just does not want to contribute back