Even though I’ve never watched Doctor Who. I still know what those things are.
#general
wind geyser
mental meadow
what the fuck are you even on about
wide chasm
Hypixel uses their own custom stuff
cosmic raft
for SMP they use Paper
brave radish
favoriting that
worldly karma
Yo Im having a slight problem
I run a factions server, and when people like 10-20 tnt the server will crash
twin lagoon
what version
twin lagoon
define crash
brave radish
send a timings report in #paper-help . Either you're on a potato or you have a weird plugin
worldly karma
The server will stop
twin lagoon
then provide logs
brave radish
send logs too, but in the right channel plz
worldly karma
Sure
restive turtle
Hey, is there a way to find a dragon egg using the command? 😄
brave radish
not really?
with some WorldEdit hackery you could put some glowstone or something obvious next to it ig
idk about in vanilla though
worldly karma
Which channel would I send logs to
brave radish
native wolf
Which server software hypixel use
Heavily modified 1.7
potent fossil
lol
native wolf
That's true actually
They modified the software so much that it isn't even 1.7 nor Bukkit anymore lol
mental meadow
well yeah they have both the money and expertise to do that
nimble depot
So I am faced with a dilemma. I been offered to write a fake online plugin for a substantial amount of money. Should I do it?
On one hand it's rigging online statuses, on the other, it's not directly telling people a lie.
I don't know
formal turret
imo it's up to your own morals if you should take such a commission
mental meadow
If you need the money do it lol
formal turret
yea, i mean if you're morally against it don't, but also realize if they really want the plugin they'll just get someone else to do it for them
mild iris
Is it safe to use 1.17 without a world loss etc or could it still happen?
brave radish
fake online plugin
means what?
formal turret
faking online players i'd guess
nimble depot
If you need the money do it lol
I don't need money. But I worked with that client before so yeah. Would be rude to tell them no and explain why but I wot probably have to
brave radish
Is it safe to use 1.17 without a world loss etc or could it still happen?
Could still happen; if nothing else, there's a bug where the server doesn't always shut down properly, meaning you have to kill it, possible harming your world
nimble depot
> fake online plugin
means what?
Basically: a plugin that makes it appear more people are playing than there actually is. The fake players have balances, usually have a rank, occasionally drop something into the chat and have a schedule of: active, inactive snd offline. Like a real player
void void
server not crashing after last update yea
no problem for 2 days
started to improve now paper
brave radish
Basically: a plugin that makes it appear more people are playing than there actu...
I mean, that seems a bit creepy to me, but I don't see anything morally wrong with making the plugin, especially because, as aurora said, they'll probably just ask someone else if you don't
nimble depot
I will consider your advice. Thank you.
red ember
Is paper 1.17 full release coming soon or is it out already
dusk drift
Its out
dusk drift
Any chance anyone here knows who is behind or know the repo for https://easymc.akiradev.xyz/index.html
mossy cliff
Is there a known bug for nether generation? I got weird chunk borders in nether after updating from 1.16 to 1.17 after generating new nether chunks by entering a nether portal. oh and the server crashed when generating those chunks
green tartan
gentle oyster
is it safe to use 1.17 paper even though its beta
brave radish
if you want to have your server stop when you run it and not stop when you tell it to, it's safe
gentle oyster
monkaW
brave radish
The current major bugs are some chunks not loading, eventually resulting in a server crash, and the server not always shutting down properly when you type stop
green tartan
well 1.17 work for me so far without issue except the chunk stall
gentle oyster
cause i plan on using it for server with friends for 1.17 and did not know if I should just use spigot until better paper version comes out
what are yalls thoughts?
mossy cliff
Is there a known bug for nether generation? I got weird chunk borders in nether ...
So is think acknowledged by the devs? those chunk borders are nasty for an update where nether generation should not be affected
brave radish
If the chunks are being upgraded wrong, that is not a known issue. If it's just crashing and breaking chunks in the meantime, it may be. Send logs in #paper-help @mossy cliff
hardy ginkgo
is there a dupe cuz i think there is but i apparently can't post it in here
rare herald
lament patio
I think there's one known dupe that's going to be fixed in 1.17.1
brave radish
is there a dupe cuz i think there is but i apparently can't post it in here
If you have a known dupe, DM someone important (aka someone at the top of the sidebar.) If you're talking about the two fixed in 1.17.1, they have been fixed in Paper
rare herald
Heh, Wikipedia is quick.
potent panther
If you have a known dupe, DM someone important (aka someone at the top of the si...
mossy cliff
If the chunks are being upgraded wrong, that is not a known issue. If it's just ...
Where are log files?
ashen cliff
Pulled a Jeffery.
wispy blade
in the logs folder
mossy cliff
Because when traveling in overworld, going through a portal where nether has not been generated, it crashed the server and made ugly nether chunk borders.
brave radish
Where are log files?
the folder is literally named logs 😉
mossy cliff
And had some errors about structures
broken rampart
If you have a known dupe, DM someone important (aka someone at the top of the si...
It’s been fixed in paper and will be fixed in mc for 1.17.1
rare herald
Pulled a Jeffery.
Not sure, Spain's High Court just agreed to extradite him to the US earlier today
frank otter
was it tax evasion?
rare herald
Indeed
ashen cliff
If only it was just that. 
cyan elm
eyo guys anyone know why its not working ? am doing 1.17 serverj host on my computer please help java -Xmx8G -jar server.jar nogui
Invalid maximum heap size: -Xmx8G
The specified size exceeds the maximum representable size.
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
i have 12 gb of ram
lament patio
Try less than that and make sure you have 64-bit Java
frank otter
I didn't know java could take Xmx as G
magic river
Huh, I guess I missed it but gitter apparently is or will be just some matrix channels
The company that makes Element (the main matrix client) bought gitter
cyan elm
Try less than that and make sure you have 64-bit Java
how do i know
ancient bolt
gitter was weird
cyan elm
I didn't know java could take Xmx as G
wdym
ancient bolt
it was like...a worse slack and a worse discord without really targetting either audience
lament patio
Type java -version on a command line and see what it outputs
worn crest
#announcements i only read tacos 
cyan elm
java version "1.8.0_291"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_291-b10)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 25.291-b10, mixed mode)
brave radish
Can the delicious tacos channel be unarchived in the name of Z750? 🥺
lament patio
java version "1.8.0_291"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_291-b10)
J...
.java16
cyan elm
java version "1.8.0_291"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_291-b10)
J...
@lament patio
limber knotBOT
Follow the guide for how to update to Java 16 here: https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html
ancient bolt
Can the delicious tacos channel be unarchived in the name of Z750? 🥺
It will be archived forever in the name of Z750
lament patio
You'll need Java 16 to run 1.17
brave radish
It will be archived forever in the name of Z750
at least don't delete it
cyan elm
You'll need Java 16 to run 1.17
so what do i do
lament patio
Follow the guide for how to update to Java 16 here: https://paper.readthedocs.io...
.
worn crest
Can the delicious tacos channel be unarchived in the name of Z750? 🥺
i muted everything except landig category, paper & waterfall help and general 
ancient bolt
there was a time when all intellij plugin related chats were on gitter...
that was a dark time
now they're spread across slack and discord
Discord sounds nicer but if you actually want answers, slack is the place to go
cyan elm
@lament patio what do they mean
if you’re on Windows 10, you will want AdoptOpenJDK’s JRE. You can find the msi file you should install on their website.
Remember to reboot your computer after installing.
wispy blade
you go to their (AdoptOpenJDK's) website
cyan elm
i didnt do that
i mean
i never did that
i dont know anything
i barely know how to find the cmd
im a dumba**
wispy blade
reading hard i know
cyan elm
helpp
warm mesa
15 minutes in and I'm still compiling paper...
fallen oracle
On what OS?
warm mesa
Windows 10 (not using WSL)
fallen oracle
Weird. We've clocked 7 or 8 minutes off WSL.
warm mesa
> :applyServerPatches
w*nbloat*
fallen oracle
That step should only take like 12 seconds.
warm mesa
Literally just finished as you said that.
fallen oracle
Yw
wispy blade
wispy blade
glare the magic man
warm mesa
I don't run a potato so WTF.
wispy blade
don't get openj9
cyan elm
ok
wispy blade
hotspot has better performance
cyan elm
i need to get hot point ?
wispy blade
yes
rare herald
J9 also breaks some stuff
warm mesa
I wish I ran a build scan so I could see exactly where gradle stalled.
fallen oracle
Do it again 
warm mesa
I don't want to wait another 17 minutes.
fallen oracle
You can leave it going in the background 🙂
warm mesa
I wonder how long it would have taken on my Surface Pro.
cyan elm
anyone french there ?
viscid wedge
J9 also breaks some stuff
what's it break?
twin lagoon
@fallen oracle 
fallen oracle
Hallo!
blazing quarry
Shadow seeds are perhaps the coolest thing about seeds in minecraft
wispy blade
@twin lagoon miahmclae
twin lagoon
don't tag me smh
waxen panther
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
viscid wedge
anyone french there ?
Mon français est pauvre, mais je parle un peu
blazing quarry
for every seed, there is another seed with an identical map. it's really cool i'm glad mojang kept it in
cyan elm
ok beacaus i might need help and my system is in french @viscid wedge for the java 16 thingy i said might tho ihope i dont get fc*edup
viscid wedge
Gotcha
cyan elm
what is a powershell prompt
rare herald
what's it break?
JDBC drivers can be finicky for starters. Notably SQLite, I’ve seen NoClassDefFoundError’s relating to NativeLibraries
warm mesa
cyan elm
ok thks bro
viscid wedge
JDBC drivers can be finicky for starters. Notably SQLite, I’ve seen NoClassDefFo...
Yeah that makes sense
waxen panther
paperlover is posting extreme cringe
broken rampart
what's updog
cyan elm
[22:06:28] [main/WARN]: Failed to add PDH Counter: \Fichier dÆÚchange(_Total)% Usage, Error code: 0xC0000BB8
[22:06:28] [main/WARN]: Failed to add counter for PDH object: Fichier dÆÚchange
[22:06:28] [main/WARN]: Disabling further attempts to query Paging File.
[22:06:36] [main/ERROR]: Failed to load properties from file: server.properties
[22:06:37] [main/WARN]: Failed to load eula.txt
why did it do that when i launched the server
warm mesa
🤦♂️
blazing quarry
what's updog
nothing much how about you?
broken rampart
i looked on spigot but can't find it
warm mesa
Anyone going to watch the Windows event Microsoft is having tomorrow?
brave radish
oh I put that on my calendar and then forgot about it, thanks
warm mesa
I'm hoping they announce 100% more Clippy in the next version of Windows.
golden gust
that PDH error is a bug which is already fixed in paper but is down to some library mojang included which craps itself because windows is fucking awesome (and by awesome I mean trash)
worn ember
I blame cat for allowing Mojang to use bad libs
wispy blade
I blame DED for being DED
worn ember
vernal moth
That lib is actually pretty cool
worn ember
Can't hear you over the amazing sound of my tractor brrrrrr
vernal moth
The dev of the lib appeared on mojangs bug tracker
golden gust
Basically, the issue ain't really with the lib, it's windows being fucking moronic
vernal moth
That must me so cool to find out that our lib is used in the most successful game ever
worn ember
Inb4 no credit
golden gust
So, basically, in some random version of the OS, they changed from using localised names in some part of the windows system for getting perf metrics, etc
so, any lib program whatever tryna use localised names because that's what you gotta do, blows up
YAY WINDOWS \o/
worn ember
Hmmm
That does sound pretty stupid
Sounds like some gucci winAPI bullshit
I used it a few times in wpf and it's really annoying to use and super inconsistent. So yeah I can see that happening lol
golden gust
It's what I love about microsoft
They go super fucking ass backwards over compat to the degree that it hampers their ability to move forward
But, in random corners of the API it's like, fuck iiiitttt
warm mesa
I think they are getting rid of 32-bit Windows for their next version.
That's a step in the right direction at least.
worn ember
Buh me 16 bit games reee
void void
@upper flicker good luck with life dude 🙂
desert terrace
What is the cat role for
warm mesa
They aren't removing support for 32-bit apps but I think they are going to deprecate it.
golden gust
last year they stopped doing sales for 32 bit to OEMs, last year or whatever
I doubt that they're gonna kick the comsumer edition just yet
potent fossil
God damn it I bought something on bestbuy for digital delivery and they're fucking like "the email is aUtOgEnErAtEd By ThE sYsTeM" and "it could tAkE tWo HoUrS!" "plz bE pAtIenCe" (sic)
i swear to god just tell me you've got a bug, this has never happened before literally ever
warm mesa
There is no SKU for Windows 11 32-bit (or whatever the next version will be)
potent fossil
32-bit 
wispy blade
most computers nowadays are 64 bit anyway
warm mesa
exactly.
wispy blade
if you really need 16 bit games there's always dosbox
worn ember
anyone ever played dodge ball in tf2? xD randomly crossed my mind
magic river
wispy blade
yea
waxen panther
Wtf
potent fossil
I can't say I didn't see it coming, dude was on the run for many years, but still yikes
worn ember
Cant protect your pc, and not himself either apparently
magic river
What ever happened with that murder charge?
They don't mention it in the article but apparently that's what got him out of central america
warm anchor
Wholesome announcement 
nimble depot
At least I can make SOME webpages look good (but 5 megs webpage big oof)
nimble depot
the bulk is not the image. The image only take up .9 megs with some trickery. It's the fact client wants all js frameworks known to man on their site (based)
warm anchor
Why not 
twin lagoon
ew
nimble depot
the fact they refuse to get off vBulletin tells a lot
I mean, FluxBB and Flarum are pretty nice forum engines
twin lagoon
ew
vernal moth
All forum softwares suck
twin lagoon
xenforo still best
nimble depot
Someone should write a decent one in Go or something
vernal moth
A bit more frontend stuff would also create a more pleasent experience
vernal moth
Someone should write a decent one in Go or something
Eww
golden gust
issue is that forums for the most part are dead
mental meadow
We still use PHPBB lol
vernal moth
Not really
nimble depot
Forums are still my thing (especially the I2P ones)
golden gust
Like, you've got some niche communities which gravitate to forums, but, the entire rest of the common world outside of the boomers probably haven't visited a forum in their lives
nimble depot
FluxBB is my go-to forum engine. It's open source (so free and community supported, stable and rather fast)
vernal moth
Ppl like to use chat but chat fucking sucks
Impossible to have async communication
Not indexed by google
Etc
nimble depot
the google knows everything
golden gust
Yea, but your average normie doesn't care to use a forum these days
even as flawed as shit like live chats are, most people just drop shit on facebook or google it and pray an answer comes up
vernal moth
I doubt there is a plugin dev in this community that doesn't visit spigots forum at least once a week while working
nimble depot
now a days for support one uses Matrix (or Telegram, or a discord, or all of them at once)
vernal moth
Forums never were mainstream?
golden gust
Developers are a whole are a niche aspect in the wider world
vernal moth
They were always niche nerd corners
golden gust
There where more mainstream than they are now
Like every minecraft server I know used to have a forum
vernal moth
Not really, the internet is more mainstream, nothing else changed
golden gust
many of them are mostly dead or they've stopped maintaining the forums as they use has dried up
nimble depot
To be honest, I prefer niche communities so my views are biased
vernal moth
I never got why servers had forums
Mostly only for ban appeals and staff applications
golden gust
years ago the server I was working for, we tried hard af to get people to actually use the forums
vernal moth
Server forums being dead isn't a new phenomenon
nimble depot
I would do appeals / applications through forms and such. Not a forum
vernal moth
Forums only aren't dead if you above a margin of users, then forums work
Like hypixel
golden gust
The thing is that for most crap where a forum was used, things like discord have just taken over, because most people don't really care for async communications
to think
modern peeps will never understand the joys of posting a thread, and sitting around hitting ctrl-r waiting for somebody to drop an answer
nimble depot
one thing is forums are pretty easy to abuse and a massive pain to moderate
golden gust
I mean, they where always niche, but, I think that many of the aspects of them which made them useful to niche communities sorta withered away
With things like discord, you just drop a message in a channel and if peeps are around, they'll talk
vernal moth
Google still makes forums unbeatable
golden gust
no sitting around hitting F5
nimble depot
modern peeps will never understand the joys of posting a thread, and sitting aro...
true. I still remember when my n00b question got to the first place in the active threads. That felt good that all those people put their time to try and help me
golden gust
I think that as a side-effect of all of that, forum software just hasn't been something people really give a shit about
Like, discourse
Don't get me wrong, it's okay, but, I think it's clearly designed to be more "modern" looking than actually used by people who deal with moderation and shit
Posted 2018-12-31 FluxBB 1.5.11 released
Okay, whoever designed that site should not be making sites
but, still
magic mesa
nimble depot
I posted my question, went to sleep and waking up and checking my email I get a lot of notifications from the forum. So I log in and see that the thread is all the way at the top. That was a good memory (I was only like 12 at the time so that memory stuck. More than 10 years after, I still remember this day)
golden gust
I just think that with the rise of discord an already kinda niche and under attack communication mechanism took a pretty heavy blow
nimble depot
true
golden gust
There are still use cases for forums, but, the number of people using them is pretty meh
waxen panther
cat is under attack
golden gust
Like, we've got away from the moronically sized skype channels which where unmanagable to something as flawed as it is kinda works
nimble depot
Skype was fun. I used to use clownfish back in the day
left swift
Clownfish was a virus
vernal moth
Man, these Skype groups where amazing
Remember the server owner group where poor grum got dragged into?
nimble depot
Or whatever the program was called. Had a voicechanger, custom soundboards, music player and fake webcam
mental meadow
yeah Clownfish was nice
apparently people now watch football in Minecraft (or at least fake it)
nimble depot
I did a lot of cringe things back when I was a wee kid on the internet
vernal moth
I don't think clownfish itself had malware, but it was really common for malware to disguise itself as clownfish and there even was some laptop manufacturer that preinstalled an infected version of clownfish that would fiddle with root certs or smth
limpid comet
lenovo?
limpid comet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish i think this is what you're thinking of mini
vernal moth
Oh
vernal moth
Well clownfish still was used as disguise, that part am pretty sure about
limpid comet
they probably slipped everything into clownfish
vernal moth
Who cares about bloat, just reinstall when you get the machine
limpid comet
true
i'll happily sacrifice control over my rgb keyboard if that means i don't have to have 35 different asus services running
nimble depot
I always install win10 ltsc (because I got my own licensing server)
I had to bodge some custom drivers for my Das X50Q's knob button actually be a macro button
vernal moth
To this day I haven't figured out how to actually control my RGB ram
limpid comet
using corsair icue to control my mouse's DPI is horrible enough
nimble depot
Imagine having RGB
limpid comet
i'm just glad steelseries is mostly plug n play for headphones
vernal moth
I only brought them because they were on black Friday sale for incredible cheap
And they look nice
It's the trident RGB or whatever
The standard RGB ram everybody has
nimble depot
THAT used to be my computer back in the day
brave radish
doesn't really matter much, and you can also just use -Xmx2G (assuming Java), but 1024
unreal pike
ok cool
vernal moth
You can use 1337 for all java will care
brave radish
But use 1024 for the sanity of your fellow human beings
-Xmx16385M
wow, new record
someone just filed two duplicate issues at once
cursive sundial
1024 is more accurate
meager tusk
mcafee died
golden gust
if you know the other duplicate comment it, because lulz
golden gust
I just saw the main one, other is mojang being mojang
wispy blade
nice rickroll redirect buddy
void void
Happy birthday to me
waxen panther
happy birthday!
void void
Wtf
supple briar
I want to ban all commands starting with essentials:. Do you know of a plugin that can do this 
golden gust
!ban @radiant snow bait elsewhere
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned AS10#6969 (bait elsewhere) [2 total infractions] -- electronicboy#8869.
waxen panther
I want to ban all commands starting with `essentials:`. Do you know of a plugin ...
Permissions
void void
I want to ban all commands starting with `essentials:`. Do you know of a plugin ...
luckperms.
essentials.* false
void void
happy birthday!
Thanks
supple briar
Actually it has nothing to do with it xD, like: I have to give msg permission. But I don't want /essentials:msg to be used
waxen panther
why?
supple briar
Mute plugins... Too much hassle. Essentials has too many command alternatives
It's killing me to avoid these one by one-_-
daring gulch
I want to ban all commands starting with `essentials:`. Do you know of a plugin ...
Try CommandWhitelist plugin
brave radish
I just saw the main one, other is mojang being mojang
yeah the "mojang being mojang" one was the other dupe I was referring to; there's also a (closed) one for that bug on Paper though
golden gust
yea, leaf no scoped it, typical mojang state BS
vernal moth
fiery orbit
Mute plugins... Too much hassle. Essentials has too many command alternatives
I think the easiest solution for you would be to just disable all the command aliases for /msg in the ess config :P
vernal moth
Is this real? Lol
brave radish
since when is there an xkcd mobile site 👀
I wrote a shortcut with his API just to see the alt text
wispy blade
xd
unreal pike
are there any recommended jvm arguments for client?
left swift
vernal moth
I got this bot that sends me any new ones
brave radish
are there any recommended jvm arguments for client?
Mojang's
unreal pike
dont touch it?
brave radish
yeah
unreal pike
gotcha
pallid edge
Happy birthday to me<:paperPls:850902955473502228>
Happy birthday
brave radish
unless you wanna play with ZGC, but that harms a lot of people a lot
brave radish
I got this bot that sends me any new ones
Since I had my shortcut anyway I have it check for new ones every day at 6 PM and send them to me
Couldn't figure out a good way to persistently store data from an iOS shortcut so I just have it check at 6 PM every day if the latest comic came out the day before
brave radish
wait
pallid edge
Imma wait till at least 1.17.1
warm anchor
Good idea
left swift
Bad idea update now no backups
magic river
should I use paper for starting a new 1.17 smp
You shouldn't use anything for a new 1.17 smp
golden gust
updating without backups? That's the MANDEM way to it
magic river
You should wait until 1.17.1 at least
void void
alrihjt i do ert
left swift
Backups are a myth created by Bitcoin and PaperCoin to get you to buy into the 5g vaccine by bill apple
worn ember
anyone know if you can add events to your calendar on windows and have them show up on your gmail account too? i cant seem to change that
mighty storm
Just add it to your gmail calendar ig?
worn ember
lame
i want to just add it in the windows calendar and have it pop up in my others
looks like there used to be an option for it
but not my calendar at least
and clicking my account crashes it
worn ember
yeah well if you have the memory of a goldfish you kinda have to
left swift
Ded too responsible for papermc general
worn ember
more like too much shit going on when is it going to stop
i have like 5 projects running i need to do stuff for lol
left swift
Why
worn ember
cuz $$$
left swift
Gross
worn ember
a few projects went stale so i picked up another few and now those others picked up again and now i'm big sad and drowning in work xD
atomic swallow
What are the best cheapest server hosts
void void
I bet a admin won't pin this
formal turret
what do you bet?
void void
What are the best cheapest server hosts
Depends on what you mean by that, do you mean standard hosting or dedicated?
cosmic raft
@nimble depot nice rack server :p
golden gust
oh, yea, but, when I say nice rack...
nimble depot
<@!346026244220911619> nice rack server :p
IBM System x3550 if you want the details (;
cosmic raft
heh
golden gust
Pretty sure that my desktop had the same CPU
wasn't stupidly great, but, did okay for its time
cosmic raft
I would guess you are a fan of IBM/Lenovo, @nimble depot?
twin lagoon
thinkpad 
cosmic raft
hi michale
what laptops do people have here? am curious now, like i was with phones last week :p
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
twin lagoon
what laptops do people have here? am curious now, like i was with phones last we...
dell xps 13 9300
cosmic raft
dell :(
twin lagoon
next one is probably an lg gram or macbook
golden gust
lg
cosmic raft
lg gram seems like a baaaaaaaaad idea
novel flume
Because when traveling in overworld, going through a portal where nether has not...
is this fixed yet or?
golden gust
comes with free creaks!
lyric hinge
M1 Macbook Air 
cosmic raft
based on everything i have seen and heard
golden gust
chunk gen is mostly handled by vanilla, we don't go out of our way to touch it
for 1.17 crashing, it's still a known issue, see the issue tracker.
novel flume
the github issue tracker? sorry i'm kinda smooth brain
golden gust
Well, that's our only issue tracker, so, yea
warm anchor
lg gram seems like a baaaaaaaaad idea
Bad!
golden gust
I've not had an LG product in years, but, every single LG product I've ever had or touched has been kinda flimsy and creaky
mossy vessel
Work sponsored a macbook pro 16, feels quite clunky
The 13 pleases my design expectations way better
nimble depot
I would guess you are a fan of IBM/Lenovo, <@!346026244220911619>?
Indeed. also Sun Microsystems
golden gust
I think that 13 is a nice size for actually lugging around, but, 3" is 3"
I think that the 16 is just an awkward size which doesn't really fit in anything unless you specifically look around for something big enough to contain it
But, when you're working on dev stuff at such, that 3" adds up
swift root
think that extra 3 is worth it?
potent fossil
.larry
limber knotBOT
golden gust
I mean, I still got a 13" 2011 MBP
golden gust
I don't really use it much outside of watching crap in bed, most stuff I do on my desktop
But, on the odd case I've done work on it, I have kinda often wished that the screen was a tad bigger
It really depends on what you're using it for as just watching YT on it or a movie and such when lazing in bed, the screens close enough that the size really doesn't matter all that much, at least to me
cosmic raft
Indeed. also Sun Microsystems
neat. got stuff other than the ThinkPads and the server you showed? :p
cosmic raft
Work sponsored a macbook pro 16, feels quite clunky
too bad no 16" M1
swift root
I'm hoping to get a MBP 14" when it launches later this year, hopefully - I thought maybe the 16 might be worth it but 14 seems much more portable
brave radish
16 is too big for me but yeah 14 would be nice
golden gust
I think that it's that weird sorta like place for size
13 feels too small for a good chunk of work stuff, 16 is just kinda clunky
brave radish
also the M1 would be a substantial upgrade from my current one
swift root
if you get a MPB 14" as well, it should be the case that its M1X would be a substantial upgrade from even the M1 🤞
cosmic raft
13" is nice
brave radish
I'd settle for just the M1 though 😄
swift root
ya know, it's all personal - whatever goats your float
cosmic raft
I used to carry a 15" laptop around all the time
brave radish
I'm fine with a 13, but I also don't care enough to not get a 14 with an M1 just because it's 14
cosmic raft
was too big imo
swift root
I'm fine with a 13, but I also don't care enough to not get a 14 with an M1 just...
if you'd like the m1 then the current MB air with the higher spec is just as good as the pro in terms of performance in nearly all practical usecases
it's also a stellar price
brave radish
is it really any cheaper?
swift root
spec for spec, pro's like 300USD more I think?
also the air imo is just better overall. no fan, nicer typing experience, no touch bar
brave radish
$1249 for the base 8 core Air
$1299 Pro
brave radish
also the air imo is just better overall. no fan, nicer typing experience, no tou...
I wish the Pro had an "air mode" where you could just have it throttle itself to the point it won't need fans (wouldn't disable them of course but it would just try really hard not to use them)
I know there are other things about the Pro that make it need fans than just its willingness to throttle but it would still be nice
Once Linux gets working on the M series, I'm sure someone will make a thing for it, but not for macOS
golden gust
was mac fan thingy updated for the M1? thiiink it was
swift root
I think they said it was but iirc a teardown found the fans identical
golden gust
brave radish
mac fan thingy doesn't control throttling
golden gust
CPU will throttle naturally
swift root
oh the software
golden gust
or shooould
brave radish
I wouldn't bet my laptop's life on that though
brave radish
even though I could just feel if it got hot
golden gust
I mean, it will get hot, that's expected
golden gust
But, the CPU should throttle when it gets hot enough
brave radish
even though I could just feel if it got hot
*way too hot
chrome quest
Is there no difference in terrain generation between 1.16.5 and 1.17?
viral hornet
Is there no difference in terrain generation between 1.16.5 and 1.17?
There are a few changes to world gen: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Java_Edition_1.17#World_generation
tame ermine
this is extremelly important, a crasher vid is actually on discord and if you click on it you will get hacked, one limeade staff member fell for it so please guys for your safety dont watch any video before discord fix this
vestal jasper
tropic flame
🤨
the thing is I even have trouble doubting this at this point
discord's client is shit
lament patio
Well
nimble depot
neat. got stuff other than the ThinkPads and the server you showed? :p
Let me think. I got my security camera collection
lament patio
I've seen being unable to open Discord until the offending video was gone
tropic flame
i just use discord on firefox at this point
literally none of those crash videos ever worked on a browser
sullen dome
Hey, so I am trying to setup Codimd in Docker but whenever I try to reach it via the Apache Reverse Proxy domain, i get an error and in the apache error log I get HTTP: failed to make connection to backend: 127.0.0.1, how can I fix that?
google wasn't helpful unfortunately
thats their instructions
no apache is installed using apt in debian 10
and the codimd software is installed via docker: https://hackmd.io/c/codimd-documentation/%2Fs%2Fcodimd-docker-deployment
take your time
well I tried putting in the docker container ip in the reverse proxy, that worked but that isn't a solution as the ip changes every docker restart
potent fossil
i swear to god best buy is having a stroke or something right now
still have not gotten any emails from them for my order. no receipt, no game codes, nothing. chat is entirely unhelpful. phone ppl hung up on me. forum ppl are jumping over my thread to answer others
what the fuck is wrong with these people rn lmao.
worn ember
getting stroked at best buy
sullen dome
connection reset by peer
to be precise curl: (56) Recv failure: Connection reset by peer
what do you mean?
oh one sec
you mean this? https://img.sentinalcoding.eu/EgZpJ
let me start without -d
I. Am. Confusion. it suddenly works?
well I restarted it like 2.4 million times, like I said I am confused. Thanks alot tho
turbid spade
hi
worn ember
Can people stop putting tiktoks on every social media... Like if k wanted to watch tiktoks I'd just idk... Go on fucking TikTok lmao
potent fossil
Was the same story with vine, hardly anybody on the net is truly original anymore
cunning raft
I feel like vine was original for a fair bit but got copy cat towards the end
TikTok appears to literally be shameless copying all the time
"this person did x and got a million views, I will do the exact same thing and hope I get more then 10 views"
potent fossil
I mean stuff posted on vine was okay, it was the going on Reddit/FB/Twitter (though Twitter ran Vine, so that's to some extent expected) and seeing Vine spam everywhere. Same complaint as DED about TikTok. If I wanted to watch a feed of vines, I'd have gone on the vine app (and I did do that from time to time)
But I'm not a tiktok user
worn ember
Never liked either
magic river
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1407669776969715718
https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1407691015733997570
Twitter
Twitter
Make it stop
cunning raft
Netflix is just giving YouTube commentary channels free content at this point
bright pollen
What is the general consensus of furries around here
waxen panther
furry free zone 
magic river
Realistically? Whatever float your boat man. Doesn't stop me from helping pile on the leaf bullying
bright pollen
So y'all hate furries?
brave radish
Spottedleaf is a furry. Therefore you cannot hate furries.
bright pollen
won't stop me
brave radish
you clearly haven't installed Starlight
shadow jolt
novel horizon
https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/o6rxfj/new_server_software_on_the_scene_sugarcane/ look what i found 👀
"yatopia 2.0"
night mason
novel horizon
turbid spade
> For educational use only
Well that's disappointing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wdym?
I'm not extremely familiar with it
golden gust
IJ has a free edition
brave radish
There's an open source version ^^
turbid spade
Ah
golden gust
Not as feature packed, some refactoring features aren't available iirc, no enterprise stuff, etc
turbid spade
Gotcha, I honestly didn't know that lol
brave radish
All their other IDEs are based on Intellij. By making a community edition, they can have the advantages of open source, attract all the Java devs, and still get to use contributions in their other IDEs
golden gust
"educational" is a pretty large coverage, most places are generally nice and don't care about much unless you're making money with it
turbid spade
Oh okay good
This is pretty educational imo
I get to learn stuff thru programming 🤔
brave radish
Pycharm also has a free version, presumably to attract students and newbies
turbid spade
Yeah I think I've heard of that
brave radish
anyone else find it really annoying that Intellij doesn't open new projects when you make them from templates?
it doesn't even show a confirmation; you just hit "finish" and it silently makes it
wow the template handling is even worse than last I used it; it just commented out ever line of gradlew
turbid spade
lmao
willow delta
there is paper vs fabric discourse on my minecraft server rn, im going to cry
brave radish
that's not even a competition 👀
I would say it's like apples and oranges but it's worse than that cuz I can clearly say apples are better
willow delta
i dont know enough
so idk which one performs better
any guidance would be appreciated
brave radish
Well how Fabric holds up has nothing to do with Fabric; Fabric is just a mod loader
There are tons of Fabric mods for improving performance, though
willow delta
oh well when i refer to fabric i mean like fabric + lithium and phosphor
brave radish
Lithium + hydrogen + starlight gives you a good combo if you go with Fabric
novel horizon
It might be really good, also I would recommend using also Carpet, really great mod
brave radish
(Starlight replaces Phosphor; don't get both or the game will crash)
novel horizon
Offers A LOT of settings for gameplay, and improvements to performance
grand pewter
you're bringing up fabric and don't even mention starlight
phosphor is pretty outdated now with that i think
starlight's just way faster
waxen panther
starlight is cocaine compared to phosphor
willow delta
oh well
novel horizon
You don't need like Fabric server with 3+ mods just for performance tho
willow delta
thats swag
novel horizon
If you have low perf hardware, nothing's gonna help you
true canyon
My favorite is reading posts on reddit where people claim fabric + [insert mod here] is [some two digit percent] better performance than paper/tuinity/airplane/whatever, and then go utterly silent when asked to prove it.
novel horizon
2-3 mods (good ones) is really enough for performance
celest ridge
minecraft performance is pretty bad 😦
novel horizon
Don't download like 10 mods which each one does "something"
willow delta
so how about paper then?
brave radish
phosphor is pretty outdated now with that i think
Phosphor is still used by the "technical" players who exploit bugs that can't handle how fast Starlight is
true canyon
Paper's great! 🙂
waxen panther
technical players 😬 👎
celest ridge
$40 server can barely handle 10 players concurrent
willow delta
ive used paper for a while and had a good experience, im just at a point where i need to make a choice
novel horizon
what
brave radish
If you're to the point of switching to Fabric, try Tuinity first
grand pewter
what I've noticed with fabric is that there are some performance mods that do good things, but paper is a better all-rounder (fabric mods don't fix everything)
waxen panther
its ok bro we have yatopia 2.0 now
novel horizon
Everyone here loves yatopia
waxen panther
willow delta
my decision really just depends on performance mostly
novel horizon
$40 server can barely handle 10 players concurrent
well i was confused about this tho
willow delta
$40 server can barely handle 10 players concurrent
that sounds like the worst host in human history
golden gust
celest ridge
that sounds like the worst host in human history
DO
DO is pretty decent from my experience
brave radish
my decision really just depends on performance mostly
Lithium rejects performance improvements that break vanilla behavior
waxen panther
You're not saying digital ocean right?
celest ridge
I am
celest ridge
what would be better :x
willow delta
i have an ovhcloud vps
waxen panther
ovh, pnap, hetzner
potent fossil
Ok what is this sugarcane shit. Their "development" process is a carbon copy of what yatopia's was...right after they say they aren't yatopia 2
novel horizon
contabo best right 🙂
potent fossil
"ok"
brave radish
the Bukkit forks have gotten to the "screw it" phase (started that way, really) and change vanilla behavior (usually configurable, though) to improve perf
novel horizon
Yep gimple
brave radish
DO is great if you need a testing VPS or a small website; don't use them for Minecraft
celest ridge
ovhcloud starts at 70/mo 😮
celest ridge
DO is great if you need a testing VPS or a small website; don't use them for Min...
One of my do servers is handling 1 million requests a day
So it's decent even for medium traffic
formal turret
(Yatopia doesn't even exist anymore)
what? yatopia is gone now?
quartz temple
wait really?
willow delta
the one person who keeps pushing me to use fabric is like a total redstone dweeb so
waxen panther
Yeah, they stopped the project
quartz temple
I had a server running on that
waxen panther
brave radish
the one person who keeps pushing me to use fabric is like a total redstone dweeb...
enable use-faster-eigencraft-redstone in paper.yml to fix a fair amount of problems with Paper's destone
*redstone lol
dedstone
celest ridge
That's only for performance right
novel horizon
redstone sucks even then 🤷♂️
it helps a bit with some things, for redstone performance
willow delta
most of my players are just casual players but ill make sure to enable that, thanks
waxen panther
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
novel horizon
There's like 0-0 reasons not to
waxen panther
Vanilla isn't even stable yet, waitfor 1.17.1
brave radish
That's only for performance right
no; it replaces a lot of the redstone code with a new version that is faster and also doesn't have a lot of the problems that CB, Spigot, and Paper introduced
waxen panther
eigencraft has it's own quirks though
celest ridge
no; it replaces a lot of the redstone code with a new version that is faster *an...
Oh, I've never noticed any changes in actual logic for redstoning
waxen panther
it does not make it the same as vanilla
willow delta
whats the consensus here on airplane?
celest ridge
i prob dont redstone enough tho
novel horizon
Maybe there's like 1 out of 1k mechanics that break, but if they do, they'll get fixed if they are reported
waxen panther
unless you have an 80 player server, you probably dont need airplane
grand pewter
eigencraft seems pretty good though
willow delta
i have a lot of concurrent players
novel horizon
yeah
grand pewter
i have used it on my server and i have a bunch of technical/redstone players
novel horizon
basically everyone uses that.. well almost
brave radish
Oh, I've never noticed any changes in actual logic for redstoning
they're not very big; tbh I don't even know what they are, I just know everything I've built works the same
grand pewter
no one has ever complained really about the very minor details
broken rampart
Developers from Paper, Tuinity, Purpur, Airplane, as well as large plugin projects like EssentialsX are strongly and explicitly advising against using Yatopia.
i didn't know about kenny's yatopia message, apparently i'm quoted in here lmao
golden gust
eigencraft was mainly to improve performance but, generally, it's redstone events aren't implemented by spigot nor is it messed with it
novel horizon
idk how airplane is good, maybe with lots of players
broken rampart
it's probably not
brave radish
> Developers from Paper, Tuinity, Purpur, Airplane, as well as large plugin proj...
that's why they shut down
(the message; not cuz you were quoted lol)
waxen panther
broken rampart
it doesn't really matter what i say about projects tbh everyone makes their own opinions based off random evidence anyways
novel horizon
I didn't make any testing, so idk
grand pewter
essentials has a pretty fat message about forks on their downloads page because of all the BS they tend to bring lol
specific forks though mostly, not in general
willow delta
so am i hearing that airplane is nice if i have a lot of players?
novel horizon
I would completely miss few things like yatopia or so, never use it basically
🤷♂️
try it and see
idk personally
quartz temple
so if not yatopia then what should I use for a 30 player server?
broken rampart
spigot :pepela:
celest ridge
yeah if i ever run into lag issues i'll check out airplane
grand pewter
paper is fine
quartz temple
just normal paper
celest ridge
how are u guys running a 30 person server
quartz temple
cool
celest ridge
is just everything toned down?
novel horizon
you can just do testing, either with people or multiple tests with entities in same enviroments and see if there's imporvements
grand pewter
30 player servers are small in terms of what you're talking about when you say you want to use a performance fork
willow delta
are you using the vanilla server jar 
quartz temple
I advertised on reddit and got 20 people in a day lol
celest ridge
no i mean like
novel horizon
afaik there were some improvements in one fork of paper, quite good improvement, idk what it was even now lol
grand pewter
if you need a fork of paper for a 30 player server you're doing something wrong
novel horizon
i did some testing some time ago
celest ridge
how are u running a 30 person server without lag
grand pewter
probably bad configuration
quartz temple
alright
brave radish
@celest ridge I can reach no other conclusion except your server is a potato. 30 is not huge.
warm mesa
Wait Yatopia is dead? Perfect opportunity for me to create FastAsyncYatopia.
golden gust
Don't spam
broken rampart
if you need a fork of paper for a 30 player server you're doing something wrong
tbf though starlight 😳
waxen panther
Because you're hosting in digital ocean lol
celest ridge
are u guys running low configs?
golden gust
Aikar ran like 100 odd players on his server with reasonable settings
grand pewter
tbf though starlight 😳
starlight's good, nothing wrong with it lol
broken rampart
i'm just saying even for a 30 player server faster chunk loading, saving, and gen is huge
grand pewter
im just saying people seem overly obsessed about forks, paper does a good amount already for smaller servers
celest ridge
Because you're hosting in digital ocean lol
I mean apparently there is a big performance gap even though I didn't expect there to be one
warm mesa
@brave radish i had a feeling you would notice my message.
waxen panther
Yes there is a crazy gap lol
quartz temple
im just saying people seem overly obsessed about forks, paper does a good amount...
alright, I appreciate the advice
celest ridge
its $70/mo :x
golden gust
VPSes are generally horrible for MC
willow delta
whys that?
brave radish
<@730149366345629786> i had a feeling you would notice my message.
wat
novel horizon
shared cpus, low performance cpus etc
celest ridge
cause VPS shares resources
golden gust
You're paying for something spec'd for a web server
celest ridge
I mean if im paying more yeah ofc I'll get more
celest ridge
i mean without going beyond 40/mo can I get better?
novel horizon
uhm yeah sure
golden gust
You can get better for cheaper
waxen panther
You can pay less than that and have a better server than you do at the moment lol
You're using a web host 
celest ridge
can u recommend some
golden gust
bloom, dedicatedmc, extravm, etc
novel horizon
bloom.host dedicatedmc or hetzner should be okay
well hetzner for me at least lol
check them, depends on your location and see
dedicatedmc/bloomhost can be good
well for sure better than some VPS like that
warm mesa
I can let you borrow my potato to host your sever. It gets very hot though. 🔥 🥔
novel horizon
Sure it's not the best cost/perf but it's probably much better than you have right now
quartz temple
how big of a server is that for ^?
celest ridge
I see. Yeah I'll try that. I mean at $60 I can get a dedicated CPU on DO
novel horizon
how big of a server is that for ^?
50+ players easily I'd say, with few more bucks thrown at it
potent fossil
lol
novel horizon
Depends on your settings, as always though
quartz temple
cool
celest ridge
i have a lot of sht on DO so it was jsut easy for me to spin another droplet up lol
warm mesa
My potato is free though! It supports less than 1 player and gets 0.1 TPS.
warm mesa
🥔
potent fossil
DO is not for minecraft servers. No cloud provider is, outside of a very cheap dev server or something. Seriously don't use it for your minecraft server.
willow delta
ive had a good experience with ovh so far, but i have my eye on dedicatedmc
cosmic raft
Woah
potent fossil
hi kash
cosmic raft
novel horizon
ovh is okayish but quite expensive i'd say
potent fossil
Woah
quartz temple
what do you guys know about hosting with Oracle?
novel horizon
hey did anyone see loki series? seems really interesting to me, saw first 2 episodes, recommend to look at it ^^
warm mesa
Episode 3 of Loki is already out.
potent fossil
Same story Watermelon. It's not going to have amazing performance. But, it's free, so 🤷♂️
quartz temple
what about wither hosting?
potent fossil
No idea.
quartz temple
the main problem I have run into with wither hosting is it seems to be ddos'ed a lot
which makes the server unplayable
and it happened a lot when I was starting my last server
it was a lot cheaper tho
novel horizon
check also extravm, hetzner too if u want
grand pewter
blooms good but yeah general problem they seem to have is stock
unless you wanna sit on a waitlist you're out of luck there 😛
novel horizon
what do you mean
golden gust
number of "top class" hosts is pretty small these days
So, the good ones generally get piled on
celest ridge
oh if I pay for the highest end they are avaialbe in US
novel horizon
how much u paying now?
celest ridge
40/mo for DO lmao
novel horizon
well just go for the best
there's no way it's not gonna be much better than what you have now
willow delta
i pay about $22 a month for my ovhcloud vps, would there be a better alternative out there?
novel horizon
I'd say also for sure, depends on your location too
generally most VPS suck
unless you're the one creating them
willow delta
should i look at dedicatedmc?
novel horizon
what kind of vps u have now?
celest ridge
more like I think mc just benefits too much from single core performance
willow delta
my vps has 8gb of ram, 4 cores, 160gb ssd storage
willow delta
yeah shadowhacker thats what i have
celest ridge
vps might be ok for bedrock
novel horizon
Although it has lower storage and such, I doubt the ovhcloud uses cpu like that or better one
it is worth to pay a bit more though
willow delta
alright thanks
olive python
spending that much a month isnt cost effective
novel horizon
but depends on your case, if you dont need to do it, just let it be
golden gust
bedrock is hardly much better than java edition
biggest thing is that it already uses what is basically no-tick in paper
celest ridge
it also scales off multiple threads
golden gust
it doesn't afaik
celest ridge
I ran one a while back and it was consistently using 80% cpu or higher on a 4 core setup
idk it was doing something with the other cores
golden gust
The thing using multiple threads is nothing special
brave radish
I ran one a while back and it was consistently using 80% cpu or higher on a 4 co...
that could just be I/O / chunk gen
celest ridge
I/O doesnt use CPU cycles
willow delta
i have good hardware at home but abysmal connectivity
golden gust
The thing is, unless somebody actually pulls the thing apart, it's pretty hard to say what it does for performance
celest ridge
it might have been chunk gen?
brave radish
even Java Edition (especially on Paper) uses multiple threads, it's just not really multithreaded as in most of the work is still done on one thread
warm anchor
i have good hardware at home but abysmal connectivity
Bloom or dedicaedMC are both good. You never tell us how many players
celest ridge
the difference is pretty big tho if i look at CPU utilization
olive python
spend the money on a one time purchase control panel
not a monthly service
if you have decent hardware
brave radish
or, preferably, a free one
olive python
that too
willow delta
im expecting a load of up to 30 players soon
olive python
McMyAdmin wasn't bad at all when I used it
warm anchor
spend the money on a one time purchase control panel
No. You are exposing your home network to public also you may be breaking isp user agreements. Self host is rarely better than buying a plan
olive python
we don't know what people they're inviting
golden gust
last I used it it was horrible to work with
olive python
if they're people they know and trust that's not an issue
golden gust
maybe they changed that
warm anchor
im expecting a load of up to 30 players soon
Try the two I suggested then. Otherwise oracle free tier 
brave radish
Ok EterNity [Oracle sales rep]
warm anchor
I'm about to have 50 people I know on a server
Not everyone lives in residential area where their connection can handle 50 people
warm anchor
Ok `EterNity [Oracle sales rep]`
Ok zombie purpur PR
olive python
once again they were not really specifying whether or not they lived in a place that could handle that
or the people they were inviting
warm anchor
He did
warm anchor
i have good hardware at home but abysmal connectivity
There
olive python
did not scroll back far enough for that ig
I meant for the player base
I saw the bad connection
untold copper
eternity uwu
untold copper
Go do homework <:Pout:415661830929776640>
I do homework 4 hours a day D:
willow delta
that moment when i trust my friends and now im not spending money effectively
well actually my patrons' money 
but still
willow delta
i believe i should be able to switch to that plan on dedicatedmc pretty easily
thank you for the advice everyone and happy pride month
celest ridge
fk this is gonna take a while to upload all the files zzz
willow delta
brave radish
Paper reached 1.1k forks on GitHub 👀
willow delta
median narwhal
Hey guys, can you tell me is this the stable version of paper 1.17?
in github, its still showing test builds, but in my apex server its showing this
brave radish
There is no stable version (yet)
warm anchor
Hey guys, can you tell me is this the stable version of paper 1.17?
in github, i...
Do you believe the actual official page or a host that take your money
median narwhal
Do you believe the actual official page or a host that take your money
of course official page
warm anchor
median narwhal
I was just confirming hehe
cosmic raft
@potent fossil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBKTA3QIok
cosmic raft
heh
potent fossil
Good song tho
warm anchor
potent fossil
hi etern
potent fossil
seriously look at this https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Dodgerblue-Squeaker-9f.png
there is so little definition her face is a blob
cosmic raft
lmao
potent fossil
help
wispy blade
pog
