general

[cunning raft]

and we patch/build paper in less than 5 minutes

[golden gust]

Basically, you're running in a niche environment which actively fucks us over every time we care to spend 5 minutes on it

If you wanna work on it, feel free to submit improvements and such

But, we're not going to waste time on an environment used by a handful of people when an environment is available which does not have those implications

[serene bolt]

WSL1 works fine too, have had no issues

[solid siren]

Does using the 1.18 datapack cause lag in server?

[lament patio]

Yes

[cunning raft]

It will fuck your world up in ways unimaginable

[serene bolt]

you'll have significantly more complex caves and a much taller world, so yes

will it be insane? probably not, but it's experimental and you should treat it as such

[true canyon]

[solid siren]

So no?

[golden gust]

I mean, very few have used it afaik

[brave radish]

you also may not be able to upgrade a preview world to 1.18

[golden gust]

Do note that you cannot use that pack and upgrade your world

[serene bolt]

does it cause lag more than a normal world? yes
is it unplayable? no
is it experimental? yes
should you use it for a production server? no

[solid siren]

I see i see

[golden gust]

I mean, no confirmation from mojang that that is the case but they don't have a mechanism to promise upgrades will work anyways

[solid siren]

Thank you guys appreciated

[brave radish]

somehow, magically, they're supposed to upgrade 1.17 worlds but idk how that'll work

[twin lagoon]

your shits fucked

it takes 6 minutes here (git clone, no caching) on windows, no wsl2 or anything to applypatches

1 minute to shadowJar (no caching again, no dependencies cached either)

26s to applypatches after caching

[cunning raft]

they're gonna check border chunks, see if they're unmodified, then use dfu to make a gradient to the new chunk gen

(presumably)

[brave radish]

I know they won't do this but I wish they would even though I know it would break things:
I wish they would just generate everything under y = 0 the same as it would be generated if the chunk were brand new, and then replace the old bedrock layer with stone

that way I would get new caves in old chunks

unfortunately, that would break anything designed to be on bedrock

[potent warren]

welp, what do I do now?

[twin lagoon]

idk

unfuck your stuff

[potent warren]

also, are you doing that on an ssd?

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

yes

[warm anchor]

Unfuck it

[twin lagoon]

obviously

[potent warren]

ugh

[warm anchor]

Wtf Michael so fast

Lol

[potent warren]

I'm not rich to afford another ssd

[solar hearth]

is there any chat to post for comissions?

[twin lagoon]

there you have it

[twin lagoon]

[warm anchor]

[warm anchor]

Time to get a job first

[potent warren]

my ssd has 15 gb left and it has the windows installation

[cunning raft]

use wsl2

[potent warren]

I'm a student. No.

[cunning raft]

Will get you the best speeds

[warm anchor]

Student can work too

[potent warren]

🤢 I'll try that then

[golden gust]

No, read the rules.

[warm anchor]

In China they start working at age of 8 @potent warren

[potent warren]

No. My life is complex enough already. One step at a time.

[golden gust]

FINALLY

THE QUALITY CONTENT WE ALL DEMAND FROM YOUTUBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neZZfPfAdsk

[potent fossil]

Lmao

[rain sleet]

epic

[potent fossil]

So a scammer made a fake facebook profile of my grandma and my brother has been talking to him on FB messenger for the last hour and a half

Like, having a legit discussion

He's showing the scammer his snakes right now

[royal kernel]

Lol

[warm anchor]

Now we know what zzcat is doing at 2 AM Monday morning

[random tide]

How bad of an Idea would it be to run paper right now. I see they are on version 19 of their build so is it getting more stable with each version?

[royal kernel]

There are still many glitches not patched

[brave radish]

is it getting more stable with each version?
yes
does that mean it's stable?
no

There are also two dupe glitches that came from vanilla
am not sure if those effect 1.16 though

[royal kernel]

Not for production, but if your using it personally make a backup

[potent warren]

why wouldn't that happen

[brave radish]

huh

[royal kernel]

More stable != stable

[brave radish]

why wouldn't what happen?

[random tide]

So just wait for 1.17.1?

[brave radish]

Yeah and probably a bit after that

[royal kernel]

Its recommended a few weeks after, so they can patch the bugs

[brave radish]

But at least .1; even if Paper had no bugs of its own you still get vanilla bugs from 1.17[.0]

[magic river]

I always ran the first build CraftBukkit put out

[random tide]

How did that work out?

[magic river]

Was usually fine

It was also 2011 and early 2012

[random tide]

I wanna throw it on my server so bad but I know its a horrible idea. Still waiting for a couple plugins to update as well

[magic river]

If you're running a survival server for friends I'd be fine using it now

If you're running a business no

[royal kernel]

[magic river]

Between backups and logblock, coreprotect, etc you can usually recover, at least most of the way

[royal kernel]

Gc lags my server SOO bad

[magic river]

Usually that means your heap is too big

[royal kernel]

Like xmx?

[magic river]

Yeah

[rare herald]

Ah good old CB days. I remember the one time there was a bug that caused a chunk in the middle of our spawn building to reset

[royal kernel]

Thanks

[magic river]

Yeah, losing chunks was kind of normal back then 😛

[rare herald]

Haha indeed

[magic river]

Remember when beta 1.6 had that bug where dropping an item on the ground wiped its durability so it'd break next time you used it?

Was fun to deal with on a PVP server

[royal kernel]

What edition did you start playing minecraft

[random tide]

Well i have a network and the only one that runs paper is my hub. The actual playable servers that people use run purpur so I have to wait anyway

[magic river]

Sounds like a business

[magic river]

alpha something or other, September 2010

[royal kernel]

Og, I started in like around 2011

[random tide]

Business but not in it for the money if that makes sense

But I do have people counting on my server so I guess its best not to break things

[olive marlin]

I remember from one of the release version that it wouldn't save durability when throwing it on the ground, so it always reset to being brand new.

[magic river]

I think that was in alpha

[olive marlin]

I didn't play in alpha nor beta.

[magic river]

Alpha multiplayer didn't even pretend to work right

[olive marlin]

And I remember using this feature.

[magic river]

Oh did they do it again?

[olive marlin]

Unless I'm horribly misremembering something, yeah.

[magic river]

If I had to guess probably 1.12 when they stopped using the damage short and moved to NBT

[peak dirge]

I'm going to be late here, but with Velocity Polymer, we're going to go towards SemVer for plugin versions too

[olive marlin]

It's gonna be enforced?

For now I decided to support just a very small subset of SemVer:

    @staticmethod
    def _versiontuple(version: str) -> tuple[int, ...]:
        return tuple(int(i) for i in version.split(".")) # TODO: Don't assume version are int only

Will see if that'll break when I'll actually start running it over plugins I use. Maybe it won't 🤞

[magic river]

Neat https://blog.frankel.ch/blockhound-how-it-works/

[potent warren]

nice, now Intellij on windows crashes when I load the project inside WSL2

[cunning raft]

Your setup is omega fucked my guy

[potent warren]

how the fuck. I legit did what you told. "use wsl2"

now I got gradle to apply the patches, but IJ freezes when loading the project

I have a normal EAP installation

[waxen panther]

just be like phoenix and use intellij 2014

[potent warren]

[mighty storm]

freezes? thats normal just give it a minute (multiply all durations by 10-20x because windows)

[peak dirge]

We're starting with providing NPM-style version matching for dependencies. To use that functionality you have to do SemVer.

[true canyon]

Will TenVer match your matcher appropriately?

And what about Drone-Ver?

[peak dirge]

I'm pretty sure where this is going, but nope.

[ashen flint]

how stable are the builds

1.17 builds

[potent warren]

welp, I restarted it a couple of times and now it works

[ripe sphinx]

my code's now in it so it'll probably make your computer explode
it still should be considered unstable, so if you're planning to use 1.17 builds take backups before etc

😛

also github thank you for this lol https://i.imgur.com/vQwJARE.png

[cosmic raft]

that's what happens when you're running on windows 98 with a pentium processor

[potent warren]

I am not, sadly

Also, it appears that McDev is, for some reason, freezing the UI

[cosmic raft]

what are you running then

because it takes ~5-6 minutes for me

[potent warren]

on Windows, no cache?

are you using an ssd to store the project?

[upper flicker]

this was my windows, fresh clone

[potent warren]

how

[swift root]

he plugged in the cpu !

[cosmic raft]

Windows, no cache

and an SSD yes

[potent warren]

for some reason, git is very slow to apply patches

[cosmic raft]

specs of your machine?

[potent warren]

i7 8th gen

and the project is on an hdd

no, that time was just windows

[cosmic raft]

you're doing something very wrong then

because a bunch of people have it finish in ~5-6 minutes, some a few minutes longer

[potent warren]

need me to send you my git config?

[cosmic raft]

your git config should have nothing to do with it

[potent warren]

I just know that git is taking forever to run the am command to apply the patches

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

output of which git please?

[cosmic raft]

are you running on windows directly (cmd, powershell)? git bash?

[upper flicker]

if mine took an hour I'd be repaving the whole mess

[potent warren]

I ran gradlew within powershell

[potent warren]

w i n d o w s

[potent fossil]

thought i saw WSL

[cosmic raft]

then look in control panel, what git version?

:p

[potent fossil]

you can do where git on windows 🤷‍♂️ same thing as which

[lament patio]

Fresh Windows reinstall time

[potent warren]

git version 2.27.0.windows.1

i'm a few minor versions behind

but I don't think they made a major breakthrough from 2.27 to 2.32

[warm anchor]

you dont hve SSD?

[golden gust]

it matters a good chunk

git and windows performance is like a roller coaster

[potent warren]

I have it, but it's for the OS install only

[void void]

hey, anyone got a list of "hate speech" words for a blacklist?
I don't wanna ban swearing but I wanna ban stuff that will get me into hot water like the N word

[golden gust]

every one in a while something will completely obliterate the performance of git on windows

[warm anchor]

oh wait this is the same person from earlier lol

yeah there is no hope lol

[potent warren]

damn, I'll update then

[ripe sphinx]

oh maybe that's why mine is so slow, git version 2.24.1

[void void]

git on windows even with ssd is slow af

[lament patio]

Erm, probably not the best place for that
Google it or smth

[heady spear]

Why would you willingly suffer through that tho

[void void]

not in chat lmao i mean a link

[heady spear]

Hello paper tell me every naughty word you know

[waxen panther]

broccolai

[potent warren]

pls fix my printer

[void void]

i am a developer who would like to know where to find a blacklist to sanitize user input.

[cosmic raft]

heard of google?

or bing?

[potent warren]

ddg

[upbeat falcon]

A List of 723 Bad Words To Blacklist & How to Use Facebook's ...

https://www.frontgatemedia.com/a-list-of-723-bad-words-to-blacklist-and-how-to-use-facebooks-moderation-tool/

Mar 3, 2021 ... While the profanity filter filters out traditional curse words, the moderation tool can also filter out additional words that would be questionable for ...

Requested by Amaranth - About 2,260,000 results (0.40 seconds)

[heady spear]

Admit that you’re just trying to expand your vocabulary

[cosmic raft]

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers

[potent warren]

lmao. my printer from 2010 is beyond reparable

[void void]

this isnt what i mean

i can just google that

I dont want swear words

[potent warren]

I've heard that the printers became even worse

[void void]

i want racist words, hate speech words

[cosmic raft]

then fucking google for them

we are not google

[magic river]

Just dump urban dictionary in there

[golden gust]

There is probably only like 200 lists of common blacklisted words

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

most people with common sense generally don't bother because Scunthorpe problem is fun

[potent warren]

nice, love the blocking actions https://i.imgur.com/RfUTsBe.png

idea legit isn't usable when the project is inside WSL

wtf

"use wsl2, it's better"

yeah SURE

[cosmic raft]

it is

^

[potent warren]

how the fuck is it fucked. works fine for 99.9% of my projects. Paper+Paperweight is such a snowflake that everything is borked

[magic river]

I'm on a 7th gen i5 and have never built any java project on this machine before, I had to go download java to try this out

[mighty storm]

how do you have 1000 projects 😂

[magic river]

I think it's almost done, I'll let you know how long it took in a minute

[warm anchor]

Amaranth

[golden gust]

I mean, paper is like a one of a kind project

and you are literally the only person I see having these issues

[potent warren]

The fact that y'all are still relying on Git to apply the patches is beyond me. Might as well do everything java and at least it's performant everywhere

[ripe sphinx]

I mean there's all the forks

[golden gust]

git is git

git for java is fucked as all shit for this

[upper flicker]

seems plenty performant everywhere but your machine

[potent warren]

I find it funny that everything else works just fine. Then Paper and forks™️ are just fucked for no reason

[true canyon]

Just ran the following on windows (no WSL):

 git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper.git; cd Paper ; ./gradlew applyPatches ; ./gradlew shadowJar

Took approximately 9 and a half minutes in total, including grabbing that version of gradle for the first time. The applyPatches run was 8 minutes, and shadowJar was 1.25 minutes.

[magic river]

It does take like a minute to apply server patches, that is surprisingly slow

[potent warren]

not on an ssd, right?

[ripe sphinx]

I need to figure out what's causing my uncached applyPatches to run so slowly apparently

[upper flicker]

I have it running in a 4 core 4GB windows VM on what can only be described as a thermally constrained macbook - I’m sure it’ll be done in about 10 minutes

[mighty storm]

ru not on an ssd? good lord

[true canyon]

Yes, an SSD. Pure windows though so... stuff's slow.

[potent warren]

Well, I can't run it on an SSD

[true canyon]

Running on WSL2 now, for me 😄

[warm anchor]

sulu did you cave in and get one as well? lol

[magic river]

I don't see how you think a java version of patch is going to make Windows any better at applying a bunch of tiny patches to a bunch of tiny files

[true canyon]

In 2021 this is a you problem.

[warm anchor]

I got like 20 people so far all my friends

[potent warren]

I'm on a laptop. Not everyone can just afford to buy stuff all the time

[mighty storm]

yoo what free vps just dropped???

[ripe sphinx]

I've got a 9900k lying around I could try running aP on for kicks

[swift root]

used to run syscraft bot on one of those... one day I turned it off and back on and it never came back

[cosmic raft]

Laptops can have SSDs, too

[mighty storm]

im surprised youre running windows at all on non-ssd

it fucking kills itself without one

[warm anchor]

hold up kashi not everyone has $500 for that yet!

[potent warren]

My Windows install is on an ssd, but I don't. have. space. .-.

[ripe sphinx]

can confirm, am on a laptop with ssd

[warm anchor]

No no Larry this is the new one!

[static badge]

I sense that NickAc is mad AF

[cosmic raft]

You don't have space for what?

o.o

[potent warren]

oh nice, mocking the poor

[mighty storm]

mocking the rich*

[potent warren]

I'm just sad that everything works and when it comes to Paper, my stuff is just fucked for no reason™️

[warm anchor]

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/qmSpCik.png

[potent warren]

[magic river]

I guess you don't get to work on Paper stuff then

[mighty storm]

Ac in NickAc stands for Apple computer btw

[warm anchor]

paper when everyone benchmarking

LOL

[ripe sphinx]

it's much better than when we were forced to run stuff in WSL to dev on windows at least

[true canyon]

Nick, have you run disk cleanup recently, including in admin mode

[ripe sphinx]

(although I want to figure out a nicer way to git rebase -i because notepad is fugly)

[potent warren]

Idea has that

[ripe sphinx]

uh idk how Idea would handle it with paper

[magic river]

Applying patches on HDD is much slower, can confirm

[golden gust]

you can set the EDITOR environment variable to point to whatever text editor you want

[static badge]

wow are you telling me I/O on a HDD is slow as balls

especially random access I/O

[magic river]

I still don't think this is going to take an hour, probably will take like 15 minutes though

[potent warren]

yes, didn't help much.
And even if I had space on there, my projects folder will stay on the HDD

[mighty storm]

no fucking way, big if true

[warm anchor]

where is my Starlight for my HDD??

[true canyon]

You can have a single project elsewhere though 🙂

[static badge]

i'd suggest again using wsl in general, you just don't need to I mean I've maintained an entire fork of paper using the stupid bash scripts on the base windows system, although only because the vm i had broke. so just use a vm, much faster

[potent warren]

I'd rather not

[ripe sphinx]

symlink!

[true canyon]

So this goes back to being a you problem, if you do have an SSD and just refuse to use it 😛

[magic river]

You don't like or can't do any of the things we suggest to make it better, I'm not sure what you want here

[potent warren]

well, when I managed to get it on WSL, once I pointed IDEA to WSL, it just kept freezing the UI

[static badge]

but u should at least understand that paper is a non standard project because it needs to rebase and apply hundreds of fucking patches to a source set

and that source set has its own patches

[true canyon]

Shaved an entire 3 minutes off by running on WSL2

[static badge]

aaaaaaaaaaaand it's all built on minecraft

so you need to decompile that fucker

[warm anchor]

thanks for benchmarking mbax

[potent warren]

can't I just blame git

[static badge]

you've tried blaming anything but your own stupid setup

[true canyon]

Can we offload decompiling to gpu? I'd like to show off my card. 😦

[mighty storm]

blaming progtrms for your own problems? crazy

[potent warren]

it's the only thing I have, can't just unfuck it when it's not fucked everywhere else

[magic river]

You probably can't blame git, even if some releases are broken

[static badge]

use a VM

[potent warren]

Patches applied cleanly to Paper-API
only took 5 minutes to reach this point now

[static badge]

i use a standard ubuntu VM and it's fast

[potent warren]

my virtual disks are still stored on the HDD

[static badge]

doesn't matter

[cosmic raft]

lol

[potent warren]

might as well use WSL 2 at that point

[static badge]

even when I was on HDDs only

[true canyon]

But with your setup you could run it on your SSD, you just refuse to do so. 😉

[static badge]

mind you

[warm anchor]

Have you try letting it run overnight while you sleep.

[static badge]

ancient HDDs

so they were fucking slow as balls

VM was the way and it was fast

faster than fucking 10 minutes

not even a minute from what I remember to do an apply

[potent warren]

On WSL 2, it took like 9 minutes to get it ready

[magic river]

I've got an old HDD I shucked from an external thing a few years ago, running it there now

[true canyon]

Well this was odd. The shadowjar task took 1.25 seconds on windows, 1.50 on WSL2.

[static badge]

like 20s or so

on the slowest HDDs around

[magic river]

On a system with a slower CPU than his, I think

[ripe sphinx]

my issue becomes what to point it to. Currently I'm just using notepad (since you can't use esc to exit insert mode in vim when you run it in idea terminal lol), but it's search is ass. Ideally I'd have it open in Idea <somehow>, but no idea how one could do so.
Maybe I'll poke around and see if I can do it using Idea guis, and have it not be hell

[static badge]

and on top of that my CPU was omegalol

literally so slow it bottlenecked a fucking gtx 750 TI

[potent warren]

:filterSpigotExcludes at 8 mins so far

[static badge]

so even on trash hardware a VM will pull

[magic river]

This is sounding somewhat normal

[static badge]

windows is slow as fuck

WSL is even worse

[potent warren]

I updated Git

maybe it fixed itself

[static badge]

change your setup or suffer

[cosmic raft]

for reference

[potent warren]

WSL is running on a VM

[limber knot]

WSL1 maybe

WSL2 is just a VM

[cosmic raft]

with zero cache (no .gradle directory, or .m2 just for sanity)

https://i.imgur.com/fDT7bDi.png

completely fresh clone, zero caches

[potent warren]

ssd or hdd?

[cosmic raft]

ssd

[potent warren]

bruh

I'm past that already obivously

[cosmic raft]

nobody except you uses an hdd these days :p

[static badge]

what in god's name are you doing running WSL on a VM

[true canyon]

You have an SSD and you refuse to use it. 😦

[cosmic raft]

^

[true canyon]

We want to see you succeed.

[potent warren]

WSL2 is a VM

[static badge]

WSL2 has its problems as well

[true canyon]

We have given you the information to do so. You refuse to use it, and it's disheartening.

[serene bolt]

I use WSL1 and it takes 6 minutes to complete, 11 minutes on windows, no cache fresh clone

[potent warren]

because. I. don't. have. space. and. like. to. keep. things. organized.

[cosmic raft]

this is a you problem

[shrewd portal]

paper is like, sub 5 gigs

isn't it

[static badge]

mostly the fact that the moment you cross the boundaries between systems you get fucked

[golden gust]

and what folder are you in?

[shrewd portal]

am i just forgetting something or is paper less than 5 gigs

[static badge]

I'm telling you

[warm anchor]

idk how small of SSD he has lol

[static badge]

your setup is fucked

[ripe sphinx]

and. like. to. keep. things. organized.
Store it elsewhere, and then symlink it into your project dir

[static badge]

WSL is bad, windows is bad, and WSL2 is bad if you don't treat it carefully

[limber knot]

like, SSDs are super cheap these days

[shrewd portal]

even if you can't use ssds you can probably fit paper build in memory

[potent warren]

oh yeah, let me just plug an ssd to my laptop!

[warm anchor]

hold up zml hes gonna say you are poor shaming

[limber knot]

you could get the money in like 4hrs of work

[true canyon]

Entire Paper dir, after building, is half a gig. If you don't have half a gig on your windows drive you have bigger issues.

[potent warren]

:patchCraftBukkit at 11 mins

[static badge]

from what I remember, using a ram disk on my old ancient system only improved patch times by 2x

windows is just actually slow as shit

[magic river]

This would probably run faster on a USB3 flash drive

[shrewd portal]

i was using ramdisk as a way to like skip the hdd issue

[potent warren]

lmao

[shrewd portal]

if he really doesn't want to use the ssd

[limber knot]

https://i.imgur.com/UfUYhkc.png for me on windows

that's while this computer is doing whatever it does waking up from sleep after a few days off

[vestal jasper]

I'd personally shove everything onto the HDD for storage and use the SSD for frequent access things

[magic river]

I think my guess of 15 minutes is going to be pretty close

[shrewd portal]

also as someone that oversees a fucking ten hour build process this conversation is vaguely funny

[potent warren]

:patchSpigotServer 13 mins so far

At least it might take less than 1 hour now

[shrewd portal]

you turned off the defender stuff right

just out of curiosity

[static badge]

no

[potent warren]

who doesn't turn it off

[magic river]

I didn't turn it off

[golden gust]

show us the pwd

[warm anchor]

I have it on but I am also on latest NVMe

[shrewd portal]

idk, there can be some level of performance improvement if you disable the live scaning whatever its called

[static badge]

i am on NVMe these days so I/O is fine for me

[shrewd portal]

since it hooks into every fucking io

god

[warm anchor]

from old SSD to NVMe is also a HUGE jump

can never go back

[magic river]

Oh yeah turning the antivirus off can be something like 50% perf improvement I think

[limber knot]

oh yeah, hm wonder if that needs to happen on this computer

[serene bolt]

windows defender slows down file operations by an extreme amount in basically everything I've ever tested

[potent warren]

I should probably start saving for a desktop pc

git port to gpu when

[warm anchor]

or you know get a laptop with 2 ssd coz you dont want to use the ssd with OS for some reason.

[golden gust]

Issue with git on windows is the IO

[upper flicker]

19 minutes

[static badge]

ew you're using a mac

[potent warren]

a desktop would probably be better anyway since I don't have to pay the "laptop tax"

[upper flicker]

man this VM is slow

[static badge]

maybe you're slow

[potent warren]

time for decompileJar @ 18m

[potent warren]

why is it so bad on Windows? wtf

[upper flicker]

windows has never done lots of small files well

[magic river]

Windows sucks at small files and Windows doesn't have fork(2)

[upper flicker]

its one of the reasons why game devs make archive files of all their gamedata rather than littering them all over the filesystem

minecraft being one of those same games

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/pDqko9Q.png

runs

[potent warren]

oh no

[upper flicker]

word art in 2021?

[potent warren]

applyServerPatches

[warm anchor]

Did you just make that

[golden gust]

bro

word art was class

[cosmic raft]

i felt like word art was fitting since hdd

[warm anchor]

You forgot the call out. You gotta put the man's name on it

[potent warren]

lmao

21 minutes so far

at least it's not 1h y e t

[magic river]

I never want to go back to a HDD

Windows on HDD is apparently like 6x longer than *nix on SSD

[shrewd portal]

i think the most common issue i run into is search indexer on some old build vms i have going

[magic river]

I think it really is going to take like 5 minutes for applyServerPatches

[static badge]

apply patches on my old ancient system took like 10-20 minutes

(the whole apply, from cb -> paper)

although CB's apply was the worst

idk what CB is doing to apply but it's just slow

[cosmic raft]

in any case

we know it is slower on windows

but if it takes 1 hour your setup is fucked

[static badge]

do you

d

o

y

o

u

k

a

s

hj

[heady spear]

ye man this is slow

[golden gust]

R E K T

[ripe sphinx]

lmfao did leaf get automuted

[magic river]

7th gen i5, Windows 10, 5400rpm HDD

[golden gust]

GG

[limber knot]

fuck your automutes

can't mute me here you stupid irc bot

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/TYapiDL.png

[shrewd portal]

wait

[golden gust]

!unmute @static badge

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Unmuted Spottedleaf#0001 [2 total infractions] -- electronicboy#8869.

[shrewd portal]

we fixed the @ everyoen from bridge right

[golden gust]

Yes

Hey, spotted

[static badge]

ah I remember pinging everyone

[golden gust]

fuck ya chicken strips

[heady spear]

almost 7 minutes on a 10th gen i7 (H) and an nvme drive D:

[pastel pivot]

nooo why 😄

[brave radish]

there was a spec on my screen so that looked like -24 minutes
leaf must've made that patching system

[magic river]

That is about 3x as long as doing it on SSD

And on SSD is about 2x what people can get on macOS or Linux

[shrewd portal]

https://s3-c2.potato.io/a/1F14TjRs-jEn9-yWKg-fYtD-ChM9ZbbFthsj.png

[magic river]

So yeah, about 6x longer than the ideal

[potent warren]

oh nice, now java isn't playing well with ImDisk ram drives

[magic river]

If you figure out a way to make it faster feel free to let someone know 😛

I don't think rewriting patch in Java is going to help (more or less what git am is doing)

[ripe sphinx]

just rewrite paperweight in rust

😛

[magic river]

It's probably IO bound except for the few minutes it's running SpecialSource

[golden gust]

I mean, theres even a git implementation in java

[potent warren]

merge all files into one, apply patches and split back

[golden gust]

last I knew md tried it in BT but it caused a few dozen issues

[ripe sphinx]

paperclip is that you?

oh no I guess paperclip is the inverse

[magic river]

Merging all the files in to one and splitting them back out would probably take 10 minutes 😛

But it still might be a speed up, you just have to patch the patches to deal with it being like that

[shrewd portal]

wait hold on let me see how fast i can get this to compile

or build

or whatever

[magic river]

And then you still have to deal with the fact that everyone else is expecting paperweight to be building a git repo, they use rebase and such in there to work on patches, so in the end you have to run applyServerPatches anyway

But you could skip that while you're working on stuff

[golden gust]

meanwhile night just spins up a super computer to build paper

[grand pewter]

just tested paperweight on WSL2, its pretty slow lol

[magic river]

lol, it failed on my laptop, probably doesn't like something in my gitconfig

I feel like I gave you guys a patch for this before to add some flags to override some strict checking

[grand pewter]

what are you guys doing to make it faster

[magic river]

Yeah it doesn't like my apply.whitespace=fix config

[potent warren]

it was 9 minutes for me on WLS2

[warm anchor]

LOL

[grand pewter]

i just tested cause of all this iv been hearing about it being slow, didnt expect to have the same issue XD

fresh install wsl2, installed java 16, set up git

it doesnt work on git bash or powershell at all for me (hence trying wsl2)

[ripe sphinx]

I'm building fine with plain old cmd.exe

[grand pewter]

havent tried cmd

[potent warren]

well, I'm gonna go now, if anyone finds a magic way to fix (other than run on an ssd ), let me know lmao

[magic river]

I did my windows tests using Git CMD

[ripe sphinx]

(just because I'm too lazy to switch IJ to use PS instead of CMD)

[grand pewter]

im running on an m.2 ssd

[heady spear]

ye just did it with normal cmd and it finished in under 7 minutes, running on wsl rn

[magic river]

There is no magic fix, the fix is getting a better drive and a better OS 😛

[ripe sphinx]

trying this on my WSL install too for shits and giggles

[grand pewter]

that being said btw, havent tried running it twice, maybe cached is better

[magic river]

Oh yeah I didn't increase the RAM or anything

[grand pewter]

@ripe sphinx this is exactly what i did XD

[upper flicker]

41 minutes on wsl2 😕

[magic river]

I thought you guys were doing that for me

[upper flicker]

what are you crossing the boundary or something

[ripe sphinx]

yeah I'm getting cached applyPatches at around 3 minutes

(ish)

[heady spear]

I feel bad about leaving my linux desktop at home for weeks D: should prolly bring my macbook just for building paper lol

[ripe sphinx]

oh lovely failed because I don't have my git set up lol

[grand pewter]

ya i got that too 11 lol

[heady spear]

need to set your name and email c:

[grand pewter]

ez fix though

[ripe sphinx]

yup I forgot to do that since I had to nuke my wsl install last week

[magic river]

10th gen i7, Linux, NVMe

I need to fix that red

[warm anchor]

on the Sunday night in paper general, people are benchmarking this

[grand pewter]

linux most definitely isnt an issue

[heady spear]

it's 5am

should I sleep or build paper?

[warm anchor]

11 PM here City

build paper

[heady spear]

am building

[warm anchor]

obv choice

[grand pewter]

ya thats how it be eternity

[warm anchor]

LOL

[grand pewter]

[magic river]

When are you guys going to switch to a better OS?

[ripe sphinx]

side note gg 20 seconds just to clone lol

[grand pewter]

i use linux too @magic river

[cunning raft]

windows 11 isn't out yet

I'll switch as soon as it's released

Don't worry

[serene bolt]

if every game I played supported linux perfectly I'd be using linux as my main today

[magic river]

I wonder how it'd do on my 2015 MBP

[heady spear]

linux on a laptop? yikes

[magic river]

I think it's 2015, the last one before butterfly keys

[heady spear]

I use linux as my main on my desktop and I'm happy with that

[magic river]

This is a laptop, it uses Linux

[heady spear]

that is gross

[grand pewter]

ill be back in like half an hour, just gonna let applyPatches do a second run (idk if that would make it faster for caching or whatever)

[ripe sphinx]

I wish I could use linux but $education requires me to use the MS Suite

[grand pewter]

just testing tho

[magic river]

It gets between 4 and 22 hours battery life depending on what I'm doing

[warm anchor]

I think someone should benchmark building paper on windows 11 for science

[grand pewter]

can you even get win11 yet

[warm anchor]

not legally

[serene bolt]

only leaked build

[heady spear]

ok fuck it, this is too slow. I am gonna sleep instead 😛

all I know is that I absolutely won't do this shit in wsl in the future

[grand pewter]

lol

[warm anchor]

good night city

can you also take @waxen panther to sleep too

[grand pewter]

why not, just wait an hour for each change

[waxen panther]

NO

[warm anchor]

YES

[waxen panther]

i am DOING things

[warm anchor]

you can watch anime tomorrow brocco

[magic river]

Some day I'l work on my project to make a spigot-compatible reimplementation on top of Sponge and that'll compile fast 😛

[waxen panther]

im not watching anime 🤬

[heady spear]

my invoices will look great "Made a patch. Spent 1 hour waiting for patch to build. Tested patch. Rebuilt patch" invoice for 8h

brocc discord docs when

[magic river]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png

[shrewd portal]

k got paper built in 83 seconds

[grand pewter]

oh ok i guess i havent left yet but heres an update

[brave radish]

was that applyPatches or...?

[grand pewter]

first build 42 minutes, second build 7 minutes

good improvement

[magic river]

Yeah, applyPatches from a clean clone

[shrewd portal]

https://s3-c2.potato.io/a/sUOFSbtE-gL9L-dAtg-IEPr-EAfCWe7lllVP.png

[magic river]

I might have built a java project on here before but I definitely didn't have gradle 7.1

[grand pewter]

yeah so it seems like from clean clone takes like an hour

after that its a bit better

[serene bolt]

that with the daemon still active?

[grand pewter]

yeah prob

[serene bolt]

hopefully it doesn't go back to being horrible once the daemon dies

[grand pewter]

ill kill it and i can do another test while im away lol

[shrewd portal]

anyway, bedtime yeet

[brave radish]

5m 54s no daemons pre-existing... Amaranth how is your computer so fast 😭

[magic river]

It's an ice lake i7

[grand pewter]

hes using an i7 10th gen

im using a 3700x and nvme if it matters

[magic river]

Also there is a decent chance the entire clone was still in RAM since I have 32GB

[brave radish]

I have 96 😛 yours still toasted mine

[ripe sphinx]

what does one do with 96gb of ram

[magic river]

Isn't the E5-2470 like 6 years old?

[brave radish]

ye

[magic river]

Oh god, that's from 2011

Well, I guess the Xeon version is from 2012

[brave radish]

CPU First Seen on Charts: Q2 2013

[magic river]

My 2011 MBP was probably as fast as what you're using there

At least for this task

[warm anchor]

zombie your machine is almost old enough to play Minecraft!

[ripe sphinx]

https://i.imgur.com/cIdZBHZ.png

8:22 on a fresh clone in wsl

[upper flicker]

6m fresh clone on my laptop

[brave radish]

-y > /dev/null seems like a bad idea to me 😝

[upper flicker]

havent tried linux on my desktop, maybe tomorrow

[ripe sphinx]

normally I wouldn't but I wanted to not clutter up the screenshot

[magic river]

boo zombie you have snaps 😛

[brave radish]

oh that's true 🤔
I don't use them

[magic river]

First thing I do is purge that garbage from my system and put in a lock file so Canonical can't backdoor it back in via a chromium package or something

[brave radish]

doesn't the GUI require snapd installed now?

[magic river]

Nah

[brave radish]

I mean, I haven't seen the GUI on this machine in a year so I wouldn't notice

it just sits on a shelf running Paper test servers now

should find it a real job

[mighty storm]

snaps arent even supported on my vps cus it's LXC

[grand pewter]

ok so killed gradle daemon, built again, 6-7m again

so yeah it seems like its just the first build that sucks really bad

• some general overhead on windows obviously

[magic river]

I need to find something to do with my MBP too other than pull it out for dick measuring benchmarking

It's just sitting on my keyboard tray off to the side, it gets turned on like once a year

Ok, that's a lie, I've only stopped using it for like 16 months and I've used it I think 3 times

[static badge]

could use it as a paper weight

[waxen panther]

BUILD SUCCESSFUL in 2m 46s

slow ass

[static badge]

all those things are good for anyways

[magic river]

That has to be a cached build

[brave radish]

This snap includes a GNOME 3.34 stack (the base libraries and desktop
integration components) and shares it through the content interface.
that's not important? 🤔

[waxen panther]

nope thats from a fresh clone

[magic river]

No, that's just shared libraries for other snaps to use

[brave radish]

k

[magic river]

It's a copy of the desktop, not the source of it

[brave radish]

kind of assumed GNOME used it too

[mighty storm]

how fast would it be with a good decompiler

[magic river]

Nope, desktop comes from real packages still

[brave radish]

ForgeFlower isn't considered good? What would you prefer?

[radiant ibex]

has 1.17 papermc released? or is the unstable version still dangerous?

[magic river]

Most of what paperweight does isn't forgeflower

[brave radish]

Still unstable; read #announcements

[magic river]

If you have to ask don't use it yet

[brave radish]

oh well Spigot stuff yeah

[mighty storm]

yeah hence why i said how fast would it be with a good decompl 😂

like multithreaded, modern, etc

[magic river]

SpecialSource only exists because md_5 couldn't understand Wolv's code for Overmapped, afaik

[mighty storm]

or was too afraid to use it or smth

[magic river]

tbh Wolv can write some unreadable code if you let him sit on a problem long enough to try to squeeze every CPU cycle from it

Nah, he wrote it before 1.8

[mighty storm]

ah

[radiant ibex]

any eta for papermc being released?

[mighty storm]

im going to lose my fucking mind

[static badge]

next two seconds

[mighty storm]

what version

[radiant ibex]

i mean 1.17

obv

[mighty storm]

why are you asking eta for already released versions

[warm anchor]

true!

[radiant ibex]

1.17 Stable release I'm asking.

[static badge]

paper has been cancelled as a project

there wont be 1.17

[mighty storm]

darn it did we remove the ggoblin message

[radiant ibex]

yes true

[ripe sphinx]

someone should put .eta back to the pre-1.17 goblin message

[mighty storm]

-v 1.16.4 ignored what lol

tf is .eta

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[mighty storm]

nothin

oh

[brave radish]

Tuinity hardfork?

[mighty storm]

yoo

hoppin on the tuinity train

nice

[magic river]

tuinity rebuild on top of sponge when?

[static badge]

I'd lose my fucking mind seeing the optional allocations

would sooner die

besides sponge isn't even updated yet

how many years at this point? 3?

[brave radish]

they have 1.17 builds

experimental, but there

[mighty storm]

more experimental than paper?

[brave radish]

Probably less 😛
Experimental build 1 was bad

I don't use Sponge though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static badge]

it ain't updated till you push recommended builds to your users

[true canyon]

Day 1 experimental builds of 1.17

[true canyon]

So... spigot and paper haven't ever updated? 🤣

[brave radish]

If only we could have snapshots :sadge:

[static badge]

oh yeah it's not prod ready at this point

although i wouldn't call spigot prod ready at any point in time these days :>

[mighty storm]

it's never prod ready why tf you using bukkit bro it died 7 years ago

around the times my hopes and dreams did

[true canyon]

Another few weeks and SpongeAPI 8 is totes frozen with beta builds of spongevanilla, per recent announcement 🙂

[brave radish]

Why am I using Bukkit? 🤔

is good question

[static badge]

it wasn't frozen already?

[mighty storm]

fuck bukkit+forge, all my homies do bukkit+sponge

[limber knot]

people did legitimately try that back in the day

[true canyon]

Soft freeze. There's a non-zero chance they remove Optional before hard freeze.

[limber knot]

https://github.com/LapisBlue/Pore

[static badge]

non-zero > 0

[mighty storm]

bonge (or spukkit) and all it is is just one single jar that shades in bukkit and sponge. guaranteed to work, 100% trust me

[static badge]

there is hope

[mighty storm]

spongeweight wen?

[limber knot]

it's VanillaGradle :p

[golden gust]

noice

[brave radish]

what
are
you

doing

[mighty storm]

0m0 whats this

[golden gust]

that's on a vm running on proxmox on spinny rust

[limber knot]

thanks mbax

[mighty storm]

big if true

[true canyon]

Had it ready

[mighty storm]

i remember mbax sending me a similar meme a while back

[limber knot]

bye cat's irc

[paper pagoda]

wwhy not use WSL

[mighty storm]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/@me/700177701377671270/747511684670685324
Made specifically for me

[magic river]

I feel like that's a 2004 meme

2006 apparently

That meme is old enough to run a minecraft host

[mighty storm]

meme is probably older than half this server's members

[paper pagoda]

but why

[golden gust]

was rebooting for those sweet kernel upgrades, I didn't upgrade the znc VM but meh

[paper pagoda]

obligitory windows bad meme here

[limber knot]

at that point it mostly depends on internet speed i'd guess

watch nick have like 5mbps down internet

[grand pewter]

maybe

i was gone for a bit but okay it seems like we got quite a bit of testing lol

[void void]

How is everyone

Fuck wrong server

[warm anchor]

wow rude

[marble lark]

how's updating Tuinity to 1.17 going haha

probably a nightmare I'm guessing

[waxen panther]

LIGHT work for the mind of spottedleaf

[marble lark]

rip trying to update the EMC framework for the new mappings xd

[waxen panther]

wat

[potent fossil]

oculus quest 2 is fucking awesome w/o ext sensors

well impressed

my brother grabbed one and it is fantastic

[random tide]

I showed someone my plugin list earlier and they brought up a concern that has me seriously worried now. I have a tree feller plugin called "Ultimate Timber" which is from songoda. I didn't actually install this one so I didn't know about this. I was told to not trust this website and now am concerned and am not sure if I should be taking action or not.

[potent fossil]

They have a bad reputation, but, like, the plugin isn't malware as far as I know

So you're probably fine from that standpoint

[true canyon]

Plugin will be fine.

[potent fossil]

Don't worry bout it

[waxen panther]

they're not malware just dogshit

[grand pewter]

its just not a very well reputable dev

[random tide]

Ok thanks guys I appreciate it

Ahhh gotcha

Love the plugin but don't like supporting shitty people

[fallen oracle]

This might be an alternative for you. https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/thizzyz-tree-feller.64346/

[grand pewter]

i've always been a fan of https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/treeassist.67436/ (old classic, haven't tried some of the newer ones)

[fallen oracle]

That's what I was actually looking for.

[grand pewter]

theres like a billion tree fellers though certainly

its definitely more a matter of "pick one you like"

[marble lark]

Tuinity uses the byof/EMC patch system I think

[golden gust]

that's dead now

[waxen panther]

tuinity has already updated to the new tooling

and almost all of the patches are done

[tribal temple]

i have created a moded server and when i am joining it is showing io.netty.channel.connecttimeoutexception connection timed out

what can be the proble ?

[waxen panther]

modded?

[tribal temple]

yes

[crystal compass]

treeassist is pretty bad performance wise imo

thizzy's has been working great for me

[random tide]

I use spartan anti-cheat and multiple people have told me its shit but I don't know why they say this. Does anyone agree with this and why?

[crystal compass]

I don't use an anticheat

[golden gust]

They're all generally shit

[crystal compass]

[golden gust]

anti cheats in general are pretty hefty against server performance

[viral hornet]

I've only ever heard people say NCP (following a specific config) is good

[crystal compass]

yuh just have a staff team that checks on members

[random tide]

Spartan Dev says spartan will never use more than .25% of the tick per player and that seems to hold true for me

[golden gust]

and, in general, they release being extra good at one or two checks and on par for the others, but, cheat devs adjust, plugins are rarely updated with new "amazing" checks, so just become as moot as one another for the most part

[marble lark]

jesus that's quick

[ancient bolt]

Pretty much all of the forks have

[random tide]

Really. I hated NCP maybe just me

[golden gust]

It's free

and is generally no bullshit

[cosmic raft]

https://i.redd.it/ylp36w6ryf671.jpg

thanks I hate it

[golden gust]

it's not perfect but is generally good enough for most

[marble lark]

I thought it would take way longer if I'm being honest

[vestal jasper]

rs 232?

[golden gust]

not enough breakouts

[crystal compass]

in my experience, players hate anticheats and they cause more harm than good, even running good configurations

[cosmic raft]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cablegore/comments/o48ha0/inspired_by_ciscos_octal_standard/

[viral hornet]

Leaf is quick, no messing around

[ancient bolt]

It's easier for forks to switch to paperweight than it was for paper - paper has to do a lot of shit to get the whole thing up and running correctly to begin with

Forks don't have to do any of that

[vestal jasper]

huh

[random tide]

NCP was getting bypassed pretty bad on my server so I just said fuck it and bought spartan and haven't had many problems since. Maybe I'm missing something but I just want to know why people complains

About spartan specifically

[static badge]

true stories i just copied the example

[waxen panther]

🙄

[crystal compass]

printer intern assistant

nice

[waxen panther]

i was demoted

twice

[vestal jasper]

yeah that's 25 pins they have breakouts for, so it's probably rs-232

[crystal compass]

Loool

[vestal jasper]

or at least some DB25

[golden gust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o0k0m6/dont_know_how_but_i_turned_this_cables_led_on/

jesus

[stuck wind]

Ok listen up you Dumb Sadistic Error of the world , stop fricking ping me like a stupid FRicking child cant you just stay away like a cockroach and Scat sumwhere else you annoying parasite disgusting piece of shit, so shut the mouth up and get the fack away from me

[viral hornet]

what

[stuck wind]

wait um wrong place

[crystal compass]

what the hell

[waxen panther]

really funny

😂 ❗

[random tide]

Hes a part of hypesquad bravery what did you expect

[minor badge]

@waxen panther iwi

[crystal compass]

my comment was to the reddit post btw

[stuck wind]

this isnt hell

[crystal compass]

the shit post didnt surprise me

[waxen panther]

nwn

[solid siren]

is it fine to use paper 1.17 for survival with friends

[stuck wind]

nope not at all

[crystal compass]

er

[stuck wind]

may have issues

[random tide]

I mean wouldn't be the worst thing

[stuck wind]

and crashes

[crystal compass]

if you are not scared of serber go boom

then send it

[limber knot]

depends on what you're willing to deal with

[stuck wind]

yeah but remember to make a backup of the server before switching to paper 1.17

[crystal compass]

ive been running 1.17 paper on a test server with consistent like 20ish players, with the 1.18 datapack and some plugins, and no issues so far

¯_(ツ)_/¯

how big are your nuts feelin today

[marble lark]

Can I make a fork and f*ck with Paperweight so the generated classnames and methods become complete rubbish

[stuck wind]

but its opposite with me the server crashed almost 47 times in a row

the world became like hell

[crystal compass]

ZOINKS

scoob

[stuck wind]

everything went wrong

player inv reseted

[marble lark]

just want to know if it's possible it would be pretty funny

[crystal compass]

bro what

[stuck wind]

but i made a backup so no worries

[crystal compass]

are you for real or shitpost

[marble lark]

who lol

[stuck wind]

prob shitpost

[crystal compass]

to be fair, i generated the server starting with 1.17

maybe upgrading is fucked idk

[viscid wedge]

It's open source, do whatever the fuck you want man

[marble lark]

ah

time to rename every class to F*ckYou.java

[void void]

512 fucking variables

[marble lark]

wat

[void void]

i did it

[crystal compass]

im happy for you but idk what for

[void void]

that is a pot

from promised archaeology.

since it will not be in 1.17, I made them myself, albeit incomplete

with brushes

and etc

[crystal compass]

bro

why does a 12 year old on my server send me this

https://gyazo.com/840a58f48a060451bff7d6c03c164117

[warm anchor]

bro why do you keep a tos breaking known 12 year old in the server...

[crystal compass]

thats a good point, maybe he is 13

regardless i dont know why i got sent that

just double checked he is actually 12, time to ban him i guess

[marble lark]

lmao

[wispy blade]

mhm

[oblique kiln]

is there any major bugs or issues with paper 1.17's most latest release?

[swift root]

yep!

enough for it to not be production ready at least

[oblique kiln]

oh

alright

so like its still to be used for testing servers and not used for starting actual survival servers right

[vernal moth]

Not even Mojang things 1.17 is stable and thus releasing 1.17.1 this week

But yes, it's totally worth to test your setup with that and reevaluate stability once 1.17.1 hits

[oblique kiln]

but doesnt 1.17.1 just have minor bug fixes and tweaks to mechanics?

i mean are there any stability patches in that as well

[waxen panther]

not just minor

there are a few issues, at least one dupe too

[oblique kiln]

wait really?

[vernal moth]

1.17.1 fixes more stuff than in the changelog, private issues don't show up in the changelog

[oblique kiln]

dang

[vernal moth]

And there are fixes ppl discussed with Mojang that don't even have issues attached

[oblique kiln]

makes sense

more bugs come up as more people play it

[crystal compass]

Im probably gonna wait another week or so then update my main serv

[waxen panther]

monkas

[robust violet]

PufferPanel wasn't too bad when I tried it

[golden gust]

I mean, time wise depends on what you came from, on the rare one or two jobs I've done can't say that I've not forgotten to get around to setting up proper perms asap, but, eer

[worldly karma]

doing this. Even though their suppose to be "Professionals"

They aren't unknowns. I had a few people recommend them

[golden gust]

panel itself is like a 1 hour type job

[waxen panther]

2 minutes for CHAD michael

[golden gust]

headache may be in transferring files depending on where you're coming from

[worldly karma]

^ yeah but 1 they did didn't compress them

[golden gust]

Well, yea, can probs automate it to all shit easily if you do it often, run a command with a few args and go for a paid dump

[vale owl]

is travertine discontinued?

[golden gust]

yes

[wispy blade]

oh yeah

how much overhead does docker add?

[golden gust]

not much

last I recall it was sub 1%

Well, ptero isolates you from docker

you don't touch docker itself

a panel with docker has the same caveats as any magical block box panel system

[wispy blade]

i just wanna be able to ssh into my machine and change stuff if i need to

[golden gust]

at the end of the case, you've gotta consider the end user

having pretty scripts setup to do anything is nice, but, if the user can't linux, you're just gonna create many headaches

[wispy blade]

yeah

i do see the appeal of ptero but it just isnt for me

[wispy blade]

https://youtu.be/2waE446ps68

[steady quarry]

i cant open my sever with using start.bat

somebody help me

[limber knot]

Security researcher Carl Schou gave a personal Wi-Fi hotspot a name of "%p%s%s%s%s%n." On trying to connect to the hotspot, Schou discovered the iPhone simply couldn't connect to it at all, and later discovered that it disabled Wi-Fi connectivity completely on the device.

let's not...

[vestal jasper]

Bug in iOS can break iPhone Wi-Fi using rogue hotspot name

[potent fossil]

It can be fixed by settings->reset->reset network

but yea, silly

[limber knot]

simple <3

[vestal jasper]

oh

[untold copper]

@mental meadow ASSASSINATION CLASSROOM IS SO GOOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[solid siren]

any idea how to use all memory

Current Memory Usage: 4071/5040 mb (Max: 14336 mb)

why is it like this

[golden gust]

that's how java works

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[solid siren]

im using that

-Xms128M -Xmx14336M

but its like this

[potent fossil]

clearly you're not because that guide says to ensure Xms = Xmx.

[solid siren]

the hosting said it cant be -Xms12000M -Xmx12000M

[golden gust]

So, you're not using that

[solid siren]

idk why

[golden gust]

Generally because your hosting has no idea wtf they're talking about

[potent fossil]

Yes it can be just turn off pretouch or oom killer. And ^

[golden gust]

turning off pretouch is not a solution for those crashes

[solid siren]

i see ill try to talk to hosting again

[golden gust]

You gotta cater for the overheads properly

and hosts need to decide if they wanna take that overhead hit or pass it onto the clients

[potent fossil]

i didnt even see them mention crashing

[solid siren]

i see

thank you guys

[golden gust]

turning off pretouch just stops the memory from actually being claimed properly

[elfin gyro]

est time of 1.17?

[golden gust]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[stone terrace]

Is there a known issue with tnt dupe? I've enabled it in config. It works after building the machine but when the chunk is unloaded and reloaded again it blows itself up

[fossil cedar]

about this #paper-dev message, i'm curious about what would be the choice of Paper for hardfork ?

[lean kiln]

the most ideal situation would be runtime mojang mappings

that even being a possibility is really far out atm though

[fossil cedar]

does it means, there is a special step at startup (with paperclip ?) or just that there will not have remapping at compile-time ?

a paperclip step make sense imo

[golden gust]

remapped at compile time

[potent warren]

okay so, I'm doing some shenanigans with ramdisks and VHDs

[minor badge]

ok

[potent warren]

And a VHD within a ram disk came in clutch and it now takes 11mins to apply patches without any caching

[full rune]

[twin lagoon]

good

@mossy vessel

[mossy vessel]

good morning

[wispy blade]

@native cradle nice, what kind? (sata, m.2)

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley GOOD MORNING

[meager tusk]

Hello

[twin lagoon]

Idriz!

Bro!

[meager tusk]

Michael!

Bro!

[wispy blade]

Idriz!
Bro!

[meager tusk]

how are you bro?!

[wispy blade]

nice nice

[twin lagoon]

see now that is a waste of money

how much did you pay

[wispy blade]

~€250

[twin lagoon]

that still seems overpriced

oh prime day

actually eh you're right it's not that bad

[next frost]

for 2tb? sounds ok for me

[twin lagoon]

that said, do you have a pci-e 4.0 slot available

[spice ether]

I thought ducktape to the machine also worked

[wispy blade]

me with a 120 GB sata ssd

which has arch installed on it

[golden gust]

noice

[void void]

Wich vnc server do you use on your rpi4? Tiger and X11 haven't worked out for me

[wispy blade]

agree, aur is pretty cool

[golden gust]

I just use nomachine 🤷‍♂️

arch? peasants

it's all about LFS

[wispy blade]

TRUE

i mean i have installed gentoo once, does that count?

installed it in a VM