general

[elfin gyro]

Then PaperOS

[magic river]

Beidou only went global in 2019, Galileo was supposed to be in 2020 but probably didn't make it, GLONASS is global right now but iirc has at times failed to be

[merry talon]

And then PaperPOS

since everyone is doing their own POS

[ancient bolt]

Can we do PaperCoin

[merry talon]

No.

[elfin gyro]

NO

[magic river]

You can, easily

[ancient bolt]

I want to contribute to the death of the earth

[elfin gyro]

Crypto

:/

[magic river]

A lot of idiots would buy it too

[ancient bolt]

sell a paper NFT

[merry talon]

I guarantee you a paperchan NFT would go for thousands

[cosmic raft]

what is nft

[ancient bolt]

lol

[merry talon]

just don't bother

[magic river]

I'm glad you asked, let me get that video

[ancient bolt]

so it's where you take a thing that you don't own and you sell it for crypto

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrNOYudaMAc

[merry talon]

and then the one who buys it still doesn't own it, either

[elfin gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-astley-rick-roll-dancing-dance-moves-gif-14097983

[merry talon]

:(

[cosmic raft]

NFTs are a type of digital asset designed to show someone has ownership of a unique virtual item, such as online pictures and videos or even sports trading cards

yea SNL is no in Canada

[ancient bolt]

oh yeah we're using java 16 now aren't we

inserts var

makes fully qualifying everything a little nicer

[magic river]

Time to redo all the patches again to use var everywhere

I think Mini already stripped out all the access transforms

[ancient bolt]

it.unimi.dsi.fastutil.objects.ObjectOpenCustomHashSet<TickingBlockEntity> toRemove = new it.unimi.dsi.fastutil.objects.ObjectOpenCustomHashSet(net.minecraft.Util.IdentityStrategy.INSTANCE); // Paper - use removeAll

became

var toRemove = new it.unimi.dsi.fastutil.objects.ObjectOpenCustomHashSet<TickingBlockEntity>(net.minecraft.Util.identityStrategy()); // Paper - use removeAll

[wild escarp]

thats so cool

[ivory light]

I fell like this is the one time I fell like var is good

[ancient bolt]

var is good most of the time

[ivory light]

cause I hate people who over use var

[ancient bolt]

you're just not used to it

[magic river]

You should use var for everything

Stop repeating yourself

[ancient bolt]

var var var var var var var var var

[wild escarp]

var var = new var

[merry talon]

js ingrained the idea that var is evil in my brain before it was a java feature

probably a lot of people like that

huggles :=

[elfin gyro]

int k = marja.bhosdike

java 16 is cool

[analog yew]

its getting closer bois

[magic river]

The last thing on your screenshot should already be checked

There is a test build in #❗-1-17

[potent fossil]

I am entirely dead, beat saber is so worth every penny holy shit

That's like the test test build tho

[elfin gyro]

from where u can see that?

[potent fossil]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[potent fossil]

At that link

[elfin gyro]

which

[potent fossil]

The one Korobi just sent.

[elfin gyro]

link

[weary heath]

[brave radish]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[merry talon]

yeah beat saber is fun

I just need to add more songs

[potent fossil]

i loaded so many up from beastsaber i dont think ill be running out for quite a while

[night mason]

I’m posting nsfw stuff in

3

2

1

[honest quartz]

dont

[potent fossil]

ok?

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-awkward-smile-gif-5307535

[fathom peak]

One more question for you peeps 🙂

Do you think this would be good for streaming as well?

[merry talon]

Is there a reason you can't get a desktop PC?

[ancient bolt]

you know it's a good laptop because it's ugly

[warm anchor]

streaming on discord? yeh that's way overkill

[unreal quarry]

thats the slightly newer version of my laptop. you wont be upset with that purchase ^_^

[brave radish]

Discord isn't good for streaming on Discord

[fathom peak]

College

[warm anchor]

how was your oydisen cloth? was it good or only the newer version gets it

[unreal quarry]

idk wtf that even is

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm anchor]

LOL

[honest quartz]

And im over here thinking my iris xe is alright...

[fathom peak]

Hey could you dm me

[unreal quarry]

mine is the ryzen 7 3750h, 1tb nvme, 32gb ddr ram, and gtx 1650

(ram and nvme i upgraded after purchase)

[potent fossil]

mfw i get pinged in admincraft

tfw you realize you're still in shitty communities you forgot about

[merry talon]

They have a discord?

[ancient bolt]

yup

[potent fossil]

guess so cause i got pinged there, but im not now

[fathom peak]

[ancient bolt]

unfortunately

[rare herald]

You can toggle the announcement role in #welcome at any rate

[potent fossil]

Ye, or leave. Which I did :p

Thanks

[rare herald]

👋

[fathom peak]

[ripe sphinx]

oh hi intelli

[rare herald]

Hola

[ripe sphinx]

open source coreprotect when

[rare herald]

2021

[unreal quarry]

😮 thats now

[fathom peak]

[rare herald]

👀

[void void]

I hate people sometimes

[rare herald]

Lol saw that

Isn't it heavily downvoted?

Ye, -18

[merry talon]

Just z's cronies

Trying to hide the truth

[fallen oracle]

@potent fossil With that stuff being merged, do you plan to update the README now?

[potent fossil]

with response examples? yeah, soon(ish) (TM)

[fallen oracle]

Actually, I gotchu.

I'll do that either before I go to bed or during my lunch break tomorrow 🙂

[potent fossil]

thanks daddy <3

[fathom peak]

Paper > anything else

[coarse urchin]

https://mcflags.emc.gs/ down?

[fallen oracle]

It's been having issues lately.

You can use https://startmc.sh/ in the meantime.

[coarse urchin]

great

[brave radish]

I copied it to https://github.com/TwoLeggedCat/pages/blob/main/flags.md if you want to read the explanations

[limpid comet]

i wish i had the power to understand jvm flags

the descriptions on startmc.sh are so bad

[coarse urchin]

this link has the expanded explainations

[limpid comet]

yea, the descriptions on startmc were made via a combination of aikars explanations and Oracle docs

[merry talon]

You aren't meant to

It's black magic only understood by the Deranged

[deep dove]

how i can play with my friend he is playing with pocket addition plz help

[upbeat falcon]

GeyserMC

https://geysermc.org/

Geyser is a bridge between Minecraft: Bedrock Edition and Minecraft: Java Edition which allows you to join Minecraft Java servers with Bedrock Edition servers ...

Requested by ZombieChickenMan - About 9,900 results (0.45 seconds)

[brave radish]

@deep dove ^^

[viscid wedge]

Java documentation requires your mind to be a certain level of twisted and warped

I use OpenJ9, which is even less documented

[floral mesa]

please tell me you arent using openj9 for minecraft

[proven summit]

giv e mmm papr

[waxen panther]

no

[proven summit]

oh ok

[brave radish]

.downloads - you didn't specify a version :)

[limber knot]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[proven summit]

noooo

[viscid wedge]

Long as you understand the differences between hotspot it's fine to do

[potent fossil]

interesting, ran a normal update on archwsl (pacman -Syu) and it completely wrecked my system

currently reinstalling every package with pacman-static

[viscid wedge]

what shared lib got fucked

[potent fossil]

Not a clue lmao

[viscid wedge]

Well what happened when you tried to use it prior?

[potent fossil]

I ran pacman -Syu and it worked as usual, then went to install a package and when I ran pacman it'd just immediately return w/ no output. Did file /usr/bin/pacman and got empty

And then I didn't investigate further I just said fuck u, im reinstalling everything

[viscid wedge]

lmao

that's bizarre

[tough tiger]

has anyone tried the very unstable 1.17 build?

[potent fossil]

Yeah got no alerts from the first command. It looked as if everything ran just fine

The experimental build is for bug hunters and devs. Yes people have tried it. Yes it is buggy. No you should not put it on your server.

[brave radish]

If you put the current one on, every single chest will be wiped. Do not use it just to be 1.17.

[rare herald]

Sounds like a win for my economy

[brave radish]

ok not every single chest

but any chest you go near that isn't in spawn

[rare herald]

Even better

[brave radish]

Also, apparently blocks randomly appear 64 blocks above themselves

[viscid wedge]

CoreProtect developer huh

[rare herald]

Rich spawn plot owners get to keep their stuff, and screw over the poorer players

Just like IRL

[untold copper]

gm bois :D

[viscid wedge]

I appreciate your work, saved me hours of time

[untold copper]

Summer vacations are over today :(

[rare herald]

❤️

[untold copper]

rip

[grand pewter]

someone should just open up a permanent paper-0 server just for lols

wonder what kind of community would build on that

[untold copper]

whats a paper-0 server?

[grand pewter]

idk calling it paper 0 cause its not really a build on the site

[proud lance]

first alpha build of paper

[grand pewter]

usually theres a paper-1

[untold copper]

o.O

interesting, that would be

[merry talon]

"come play on my server, its extremely unstable"

Yeah that would work out well

[untold copper]

absolutely

[viscid wedge]

Just join any yatopia server

Same experience!

[vital mural]

berry bushes deal damage when not moving on 1.17 spigot

Thats not supposed to happen...right?

Tested it on a single player world and they only deal damge when moving.

[viscid wedge]

[unreal quarry]

i'm looking at the code, and it only deals damage if you've moved. however, it throws a bukkit event regardless, so if a plugin is listening to that event to customize the damage or whatever, it will damage even if you dont move

[viscid wedge]

That makes sense, thanks Billy

[vital mural]

I dont have any plugins on the server though
https://youtu.be/ZJbOVZEftco

[vast idol]

I havent found others much with this problem but has anyone else on 1.16 server noticed creepers exploding too far away from players, past the usual distance? Or rather they dont deactivate the explosion once you back away like usual

[unreal quarry]

not sure what to tell you. the code wasn't even modified by cb/spigot. its straight from mojang, other than the event paper added to the beginning

[vital mural]

Strange

[potent fossil]

Alright, there. Got my system fixed. My only saving grace was actually disabling package sig verification after checking my mirror was trusted (octyl ) and then reinstalling everything and permitting it to overwrite every conflicting file. It got really really fucked and I'm not sure why. Probably too late to try and figure it out, but oh well. It's fixed.

It's WSL anyway so If nothing would've worked I would've just thrown it away

[unreal quarry]

actually, i lied. i see CB has touched the code but git blame isn't claiming that.. hmm. must be a paperweight issue.

i'll check stash to see what cb edits there

[ancient bolt]

I have an idea to help improve git blame for that

right now I'm doing a full remap in a single commit, and I think git has a hard time tracking which files are new files vs which ones are renamed etc

so I want to see if I can do 1 commit where files are only renamed, then another commit where they are actually changed

[unreal quarry]

ok, yeah, cb didnt touch the move check https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/nms-patches/net/minecraft/world/level/block/BlockSweetBerryBush.patch#27-36

[ancient bolt]

git should be able to maintain history if I do that

but blame will still label most things as remap lol

but at least history behind remap should still exist

[stuck wind]

I BLAME OBAMA

I USED 1.17 paper build just for testing adn it ruined our smp xD

thank i made a backup sheesh

[warm anchor]

ok

[ripe sphinx]

shockingly enough the warnings about stability weren't for fun 😛

[stuck wind]

indeed

[ancient bolt]

I believe running hypo at reobf has removed entire classes of potential reobf issues

[stuck wind]

thats why we made a backup

[viscid wedge]

got what you deserved lmao

[stuck wind]

sheesh

yesh

its good

lets force p2w servers to use 1.17 paper and ruin them

yikes

[viscid wedge]

[cosmic raft]

So, uh, question...

[unreal quarry]

ok, i can confirm the issue. make a ticket on GH and I'll look into it when i have a little more time. this is mildly frustrating now that i know its a thing

[cosmic raft]

What is the easiest way to move 2FA stuff from one phone to another? Or such

My old Google Pixel still has some things on it

[woeful urchin]

Most of the time u just gotta suck it

[warm anchor]

no easy way

[woeful urchin]

To prevent anti fraud and stuff being stolen

[ancient bolt]

Authy imo

[ripe sphinx]

what 2fa app?

[clever pollen]

Where can I find Paper DevBuilds?

[cosmic raft]

heeeeeeeh

Google Authenticator

and Duo

[ancient bolt]

transferred to a new phone just like last month

[ripe sphinx]

google auth has a QR code transfer thing

[ancient bolt]

first switch everything to authy

[cosmic raft]

no

[ripe sphinx]

top right

[ancient bolt]

then you're set :p

[cosmic raft]

I will not use Authy

[woeful urchin]

Google auth is ez there is a QR code thing

[ancient bolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cosmic raft]

I used to, I switched away

[woeful urchin]

I thought u meant steam

[vital mural]

I tested it using the vanilla jar, and bukkit's jar none had the issue. Once I use spigot's jar the issue appears. So do I use the https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira to report the issue then?

[unreal quarry]

google auth has a transfer feature

[warm anchor]

o.O let me check

when did it get implemented

[cosmic raft]

where? o.O

huh

[unreal quarry]

the 3 dots

[warm anchor]

oph wow

[unreal quarry]

top right

[warm anchor]

did not know that!!

[unreal quarry]

yeah, its a life saver. i have like 15 accounts and i've switched phones like 5 times in the last 5 years

[cosmic raft]

Huh

[warm anchor]

There kashi if iOS. Looks a bit different

[potent fossil]

i have all my 2fa on bitwarden

[ripe sphinx]

kashike strikes me as team android

might be wrong tho

[potent fossil]

can autofill form and it auto-copies the 2fa code to clipboard after submitting login form

[warm anchor]

kashi is team iOS! I believe!

[potent fossil]

then can just paste code and it's done

[lime oak]

was about to recommend this ^

got my steam 2FA on there too \o/

[potent fossil]

yeah it's fantastic

i used authy before that

[warm anchor]

I use steam 2fa for steam app

you dont even need to transfer. iOS restore actaully transfer steamguard over

[lime oak]

yeah since it's stored as a file on your phone

[cosmic raft]

I'm thinking of moving 2FA onto 1Password as well

[viral hornet]

What don't you like about authy?

Bad experience or just not a fan of it or something

[cosmic raft]

Bad experiences, and it is meh compared to Duo

[lime oak]

only negative i've had with Bitwarden so far is no keyboard shortcuts

[unreal quarry]

i've only ever used google auth. it was the first one i ever tried and its never given me any issues, so i've stuck with it

[potent fossil]

I actually did have a bad experience on that. I had to change my phone number as I was being doxxed and harassed and I changed it quickly to stop the harassment. was fine.

Then I got a new phone, got it all set up. Conveniently, like an idiot, forgot to check authy thinking it'd just be fine.

Nope. Lost every 2fa account.

[cosmic raft]

Yea, that

Authy is connected to phone number

So when I changed mine, I ran into problems too

[potent fossil]

I could've recovered, but I erased the old phone. So it is my fault, but I don't like how it happened. Authy is a fine app, but its just not for me anymore. Bitwarden is amazing.

[cosmic raft]

I use 1Password for passwords

and Duo for 2FA currently

Old phone I used a mix of Google Authenticator, Authy, and Duo

Since Twitch is stupid and forces you to use Authy for 2FA

[viral hornet]

Yeah that's similar to what I do right now, I have 3 (maybe even a forth) app for 2FA and it's annoying haha

Just the one pls 😌

[lime oak]

bitwarden for everything \o/

[cosmic raft]

Why BitWarden over stuff like 1Password?

[potent fossil]

selfhosted

that's my only reason

[ancient bolt]

bitwarden is great

I use bitwarden because it's 100% FOSS

[lime oak]

everything is open source

[ancient bolt]

so I'm more than happy to pay to support them

[potent fossil]

Those are also great points

[ancient bolt]

I don't use bitwarden for 2fa though

[void void]

If your excited for paper 1.17 and you really really wanna show it clap your hands!

[ancient bolt]

not exactly a second factor if it's in the same app lol

[potent fossil]

ALso kash, what do you mean twitch forces you to use authy? I have my twitch 2fa in bitwarden as well

[proud lance]

I second bitwarden, I really want to use it more and deploy it at work

be nice to not pay a last pass subscription

[potent fossil]

🚶‍♂️ walks away whistling

[ripe sphinx]

I jumped to bitwarden after lastpass's stupid-ass decision to restrict to either mobile or computer, no way in fucking hell I'm supporting that

[cosmic raft]

I don't use BitWarden because of the self-hosting

[potent fossil]

I mean they also host for you

[ancient bolt]

bitwarden does not require self hosting

[potent fossil]

selfhosting is just an option

[ancient bolt]

I do not host bitwarden

[ripe sphinx]

^

[cosmic raft]

always thought it did

but in any case

[proud lance]

they offer both

[cosmic raft]

1P works, and no reason for me to switch

[ancient bolt]

it is also free, even when they host it

[ripe sphinx]

til you can selfhost bitwarden

[lime oak]

the TOTP is locked behind a premium account (but that's only $1/month)

[cosmic raft]

Since WHEN do they allow non-Authy?

It did not work at all without Authy

[potent fossil]

I'm not sure when, but, mine is not using authy

[ancient bolt]

I'm not arguing you should switch, just explaining it :p

[cosmic raft]

huh

[potent fossil]

I do recall they just gave a standard QR code for it, so you can use any 2fa app

[cosmic raft]

They didn't use to

[warm anchor]

same. The only reason I have authy is twitch lol

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/6Toqdtz.png

[smoky fable]

Ello

[cosmic raft]

"Authenticator App" is new

[warm anchor]

I am removing that shit as we speak

[potent fossil]

ah ok

[cosmic raft]

What phone do you have?

[potent fossil]

me or etern

[cosmic raft]

everyone

[potent fossil]

S20+ atm

[warm anchor]

iPhone 11 Pro Max

[potent fossil]

My next phone will be an iPhone though

[warm anchor]

its a bit too big for back packet but I usually dont have my phone in my pant most of the time

[potent fossil]

Whenever that happens, it's in the future for sure. My S20+ is gonna be my daily for probably a few more years at least

[cosmic raft]

Samsung Galaxy S20+?

[potent fossil]

Yea

[ripe sphinx]

rocking a Samsung S6 lol

[viscid wedge]

Toss VaultWarden on one of those free Oracle servers

[cosmic raft]

that is literally self-hosting

lol

[potent fossil]

I don't think he wants to selfhost it though

lol

[cosmic raft]

anyone else? what phones? :P

[viscid wedge]

But yeah if you wanna pay they'll host it for you

I have a pixel 5

[true canyon]

Pixel 3a

[cosmic raft]

good to know, though I will stick with 1Password

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYnK9rmnbtqBb-qZ9OUaGheP48dbwE4cwRWdZJzRQzo/edit?usp=sharing

[ripe sphinx]

I'm thinking of getting a pixel once this POS finally kicks the bucket

[cosmic raft]

time to record everyone

[minor badge]

OnePlus 8 Pro ^^

[proud lance]

Pixel 5 as well, I like it

native call screening is a godsend

[viscid wedge]

How are you finding it? I had the 7 Pro and started having bizarre issues I couldn't explain

[minor badge]

very nice

[viscid wedge]

I thought it might've been my custom Lineage build, so I hopped back onto OxygenOS and nothing changed

[lime oak]

iPhone 11 here o/

[minor badge]

it took some getting used to the curved screen, coming from a phone with bezels and flat edges though :p

[cunning raft]

3axl kash

[viscid wedge]

Yeah I bet

[viral hornet]

Samsung Note 10+ 🥺

[cosmic raft]

3axl?

[cunning raft]

3a XL

[limpid comet]

s10+

this thing been through hell and back

[minor badge]

can't speak for anything with custom ROMs though; am not allowed to unlock bootloader

[cosmic raft]

alright, updated list

[viral hornet]

I have the ability to upgrade in August for $99 (new phone, same plan), and I want to, but now they aren't doing the notes anymore I don't know what to go with.

[limpid comet]

i would go for a pixel 5

once this s10+ finally dies

i had a dream i killed it

[cosmic raft]

no

not for $99, that must be a contract/etc :P

[ripe sphinx]

just trip and drop a sledgehammer on it bluely

[viscid wedge]

I was really not a fan of some of the stuff in OOS, which is why I switched. I had previous knowledge of the Android build process from being an unofficial Lineage maintainer for the Essential Phone so I thought may as well

[limpid comet]

i could easily do that on accident

my last s10+ died because i stepped on it while it was lying face down on a pebble

😬

[cosmic raft]

I go insane with spreadsheets :p

[limpid comet]

i've been wanting to make a spreadsheet to track my pokemon go candies

[ripe sphinx]

no charts 0/10

[cosmic raft]

I was getting there

[limpid comet]

CHART

[lime oak]

i don't see no formulas auto-populating cells

[cosmic raft]

lol granny

you should see this spreadsheet i made for where I used to work

let me copy a couple formulas I wrote from it

[ripe sphinx]

what's that thing rian's in love with? Airtable?

[cosmic raft]

so first there's this

=REGEXMATCH(INDIRECT(ADDRESS(ROW(),COLUMN())), "(1Z((?:[A-Z0-9]){6})((?:[A-Z0-9]){2})((?:[A-Z0-9]){7})([A-Z0-9]))|(([EHVW])\d{10})")

and this:

=AND(NOT(ISBLANK(INDIRECT(ADDRESS(ROW(), COLUMN())))), EQ(INDIRECT(ADDRESS(ROW(), COLUMN() - 1)), "HOLD"),(NETWORKDAYS(INDIRECT(ADDRESS(ROW(), COLUMN())), TODAY()) - 1) >= INDIRECT("Configuration!B4"))

[ripe sphinx]

it was basically spreadsheets but with an api iirc

[cosmic raft]

:D

[lime oak]

i was once asked to help modify something that used the sheets api

[ripe sphinx]

yeah I looked at it once since for some fucking reason the server I dev for uses google sheets for databases, looked like a fucking mess

(not programmatic dbs mind you, human edited)

[proud lance]

handsontable is nice

[celest coyote]

I got an s9 i got in jan 2020

[tough depot]

Question from the stupid in me who is NOT a programmer: Is Paper programmed using Java? (It seems like the answer should be obvious, but I want to make sure I'm not telling my kids wrong.)

[celest coyote]

Prob won't be switching for a long time

[lime oak]

correct!

[proud lance]

ye

[tough depot]

thanks!

[tough depot]

thanks!

[ripe sphinx]

very helpful sulu

[lime oak]

don't confuse her

[celest coyote]

Github knows best

[ripe sphinx]

10/10 mod

❤️ no ban pls

[tough depot]

Sulu, I'm not a programmer. 😉 Does "shell script" mean you take a basic outline and then modify little parts to fit your job?

[novel steppe]

I still have drops of tps despite having a "good" machine, the cpu consumption is low but the tps also 😦
will there be a way to increase consumption to have good tps?
https://timings.pl3x.net/?id=c04542f871cb4da09e51df2d89a5671c
(I know it is purpur but if someone could help I would be very grateful)

[lime oak]

reproduce w/ paper and go to #paper-help

[cosmic raft]

there

another chart

:p

[celest coyote]

Wtf is mundo

[tough depot]

lol, okay! I'll go with that. My 10yo wants to program mods and plugins, so I want him to learn the ACTUAL language, not just use the play and drop functions.

[lime oak]

those are a good starting point i'd say

[potent fossil]

sign him up for jetbrains academy 😎 or codecademy might be easier for a younger kid

[tough depot]

we're almost done with Minecraft Education Python (which is NOT Python, because they changed it to go into ME), so we're looking at the next step

[proud lance]

thats wholesome

[tough depot]

I have ulterior motives... I have ideas, and he has time to troubleshoot. 😉

[void void]

Good mom, very wholesome

[proud lance]

smh

[tough depot]

I also run a server for 75 5-15yo kids

[proud lance]

child labor

[tough depot]

eh, he gets paid by the hour in my house for actual work.

[potent fossil]

he gets paid with a roof over his head

oh gg

[proud lance]

tbh, I wouldn't mind

[potent fossil]

i got paid with a roof over my head

[proud lance]

simple make me some plugins or I am taking the roof away

[tough depot]

thing is, he can't "work for pay" until his schoolwork and chores are done.... so there's that too

[celest coyote]

Did you get house privileges taken away if you didn't work

[proud lance]

you get a shingle

[potent fossil]

anyway this is a great place to learn java https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/
codecademy as well

then from there making a plugin isn't too much of an ass kicker beyond learning some tools and the API available

i think it's a great idea!

[tough depot]

thanks!

[potent fossil]

lol no

[tough depot]

that's not a bad price for JetBrains

[novel steppe]

world in spanish 😎

[potent fossil]

Yeah it's nice. If you're efficient you can learn Java for free.

Get 7 days, finish the first stage and you get a month. Use that month to finish the first project and you get another month. Then do one more project in Java with that last free month and he should be solid enough to make plugins

[tough depot]

I feel like I have a good handle on a lot of Java just by trying to figure out why my blasted server crashed 5 times in the past week. 😛

[minor badge]

Once your son starts to get the hang of it and whatnot, challenge him with some Exercism.io and leetcode tasks :) They're great fun, but can also be very hard at times (though they have levels, so you can take easy ones!)

[tough depot]

OOOH! I might have my summer planned now for PD. 😛 The life of a teacher.

[potent fossil]

exercism is fantastic as well

[tough depot]

I'm taking notes, frantically right now.

[minor badge]

Exercism and LeetCode are both 100% and forever free, by the way ^^

[potent fossil]

We can shove a lot of resources down your throat. Believe me we have a lot of them.

[minor badge]

Same with Project Euler if you want some recreational maths in code (usually far harder than Exercism easy levels though)

[potent fossil]

It's rare somebody actually will use them though

[lime oak]

https://learngitbranching.js.org/ is a good resource for learning how to use git as like an optional thing

[tough depot]

It's one thing to say "fix this for me" and a totally different thing to say "show me what I need to be able to learn how to do it." I'm tired of waiting for someone to be available to help, so if we can make this our elective class this year that's a win

[potent fossil]

You have no idea how much of a breath of fresh air that is for us here lmao

Big props

[swift root]

ahhhh the sweet taste of excellent pedagogy

props indeed

[minor badge]

Feel free to ask for help in #paper-dev with it too! Remember to share experience level, too, so nobody assumes you've been doing it for years :p

[limpid comet]

never have i ever seen paper general go from so bad to so great

[tough depot]

lol... the server we're using is physically located at a private residence. I had to wait for people to get off work to physically reset it. I want to get to where I can understand enough to do start to finish where I am located!

[tame tangle]

i released experimental paper 1.17 on a server for 30 people, all with creative hacks etc, was awesome XD

[tough depot]

I was nervous to ask there... because "professional" and "hobby professionals" are there!

[tame tangle]

there was nothing left 1 hour later

[tough depot]

I've got a bedrock server going for 25 kids... believe it or not, there's not been any griefing yet, and it's been up 4 hours!

[potent fossil]

If you let us know you're a beginner, we will be happy to explain a bit deeper for you. If people just ask, we sort of assume that there is knowledge backing the question and we fill our responses with jargon

[tough depot]

Makes tons of sense! I lurk, to learn. I'll get there. Thanks for these starter sources!

[potent fossil]

Any time!

[swift root]

[proud lance]

check out geyser btw, you can have your bedrock kids connect to your java ones

[vast idol]

now thats one AWESOME mom/teacher. XD

[cosmic raft]

larry what phone do you use

[void void]

elo

[potent fossil]

hi

[viscid wedge]

There's a community edition of the JetBrains editor that's free as well, if you're interested

[serene tinsel]

Hewwo everyone

[tough depot]

That's also happening in my testing this summer.... thankfully I have 6 kids to test with

[swift root]

oneplus 6

[potent fossil]

We were talking about JB Academy, not the IDE.

[tough depot]

that would be awesome!

[viscid wedge]

Oh, gotcha

[potent fossil]

There is no community edition of JB Academy, just the free trial.

[tough depot]

Okay! I'm clueless. 🙂

[potent fossil]

No worries, just wanted you to be properly aware

[tough depot]

And tired.... g'night!

[potent fossil]

Night

[viscid wedge]

That's okay, I definitely should know better and apparently don't

Goodnight

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[potent fossil]

.lombok

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[potent fossil]

(copypasta reasons)

lol

got a credit card offer, dont need it but i opened it up to look and they wanna give me 29.99% interest

[wispy blade]

seems scammy

[golden gust]

I mean, it is

[potent fossil]

(as if im ever gonna get hit with a [cc] interest charge ever again in my life, but still)

and yes it is

[golden gust]

they approve basically everybody on the basis that the fees are so high and the people desperate enough to use them will often be stupid with a card in general

[stable lily]

[void void]

Is geyser buggy

[ripe sphinx]

it's not perfect but it's pretty good

[grand pewter]

geysers a similar boat to viaversion, it works well for what it tries to accomplish

[golden gust]

JE and bedrock are entirely different to one another in how they work more or less

different feature sets, etc, etc

There are obviously going to be gaps in functionaility between the two

[dire flint]

it's actually pretty smooth for how complicated it is

[ripe sphinx]

i.e. you need to use a command to block iirc lol

[dire flint]

ofc there's bugs like everything, but it's not too bad

[proud lance]

lmfao, I have been playing from my phone in the bathroom and I never realized

[cosmic raft]

@potent fossil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtXrWQ7Re8U

[potent fossil]

[queen knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/798955580391292988/801563996347039744/image0-1-1.gif

[wispy blade]

hm

[void void]

#memes

What happened to memes??

[wispy blade]

dead

[grand pewter]

[blazing quarry]

After a night's sleep the 11000 files have finished transferring over ftp

Should I have zipped it? Maybe, but it would've been more work to put them in all the different directories

Easier to just copy them directly over to the right directories when transferring

[ashen cliff]

Zip.

[warm anchor]

now I hope you enabled binary mode transfer

or half of your file is gonna be fucked

[void void]

wt

[blazing quarry]

What's binary mode transfer?

Is it enabled by default?

[potent fossil]

"binary mode" means the ftp client is treating the files as binaries, and thus no modification is acceptable in transit

whether or not its enabled by default, idk, but it is usually the right choice to use binary mode so i would guess it is selected by default

[wispy blade]

waiting for DED to wake up so he can say a funny

[potent fossil]

DED isn't funny, he's just DED

[wispy blade]

exactly

that's why he would say "a funny"

[vestal jasper]

ded is ded

@potent fossil's funny tho

[potent fossil]

stand up professional here

[vestal jasper]

funny looking

HAH

[wispy blade]

true.

[potent fossil]

.kill Josh

[limber knot]

rips Josh's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.

[potent fossil]

.kill naomi

[limber knot]

gets some friends together and shivs naomi a few times.

[potent fossil]

fuq u

[wispy blade]

wtf

[vestal jasper]

ah simple's in a mood

[wispy blade]

getting Britained over here

[potent fossil]

you can't bully me my birthday is in 22 minutes

[void void]

bruh wtf is this bot talking about

[vestal jasper]

i'll fucking bully you even harder wtf

[potent fossil]

🚶‍♂️

[wispy blade]

the bot is a bot

[potent fossil]

That's the one you take issue with?

Not the intestine jumprope?

[wispy blade]

i love jumprope

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil your smile is so bright I'm legally blind

[void void]

huh

[potent fossil]

barely aware of your surroundings, understood

[wispy blade]

.kill mrmcflurry

[limber knot]

goes bowling with mrmcflurry's bloody disembodied head.

[wispy blade]

we do a little trolling

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil ur so hot u rival the sun

[potent fossil]

no u

[vestal jasper]

listen it's not my birthday

[potent fossil]

[wispy blade]

178 days till my birthday ;_;

[potent fossil]

i'm not very happy about this one

it stops being fun after 21

[vestal jasper]

mine already passed and simple didn't get me anything smh my head

[potent fossil]

its kinda like "oh, shit, again?"

[vestal jasper]

oh right, simple has a partner, that's why he's giving me the cold shoulder

reeeeeee

[potent fossil]

I AM ENGAGED

luv u tho

[vestal jasper]

yeah and

o

[limber knot]

yeah congrats

[vestal jasper]

fire

[frank otter]

well

Happy birthday in 15 minutes I guess

[limber knot]

^

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[limber knot]

myes windows update failing to download updates

[honest fulcrum]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[viral hornet]

I don't 😳

[limber knot]

same 😔

[viral hornet]

😔

[potent fossil]

k im 24 now

night

[viral hornet]

wot

is it your birthday?!

[potent fossil]

as of 9 minutes ago ye

[viral hornet]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!

[untold copper]

o.o

[potent fossil]

thank you!

[untold copper]

happy birthday simple :D

[potent fossil]

thank you snoop

[untold copper]

have some cake

🍰

[full rune]

🥳

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[twin lagoon]

[limber knot]

hap borth simple

[broken rampart]

@twin lagoon go to sleep

[limpid comet]

are there any decent 2d java game engines

[limber knot]

probably

[potent fossil]

same thing minecraft uses

lwjgl

has 2d and 3d

(do they still use lwjgl)

https://www.lwjgl.org

ok apparently lwjgl is low level and if you want a 2d/3d engine that uses it then you want https://libgdx.com/ @limpid comet

[limber knot]

looks cool :o

[potent fossil]

also this but no 2d support https://jmonkeyengine.org/

still lwjgl tho

[limpid comet]

libgdx looks cool thanks limple

[potent fossil]

yw bby

[limpid comet]

I'll check it out tomorrow

[potent fossil]

[vernal moth]

Happy cake day simple!

[potent fossil]

Thanks mini

[vernal moth]

I can vouch for libgdx

[potent fossil]

btw md deployed the new version so you can use it anytime

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/MiniDigger/projecttd

[potent fossil]

uwu

[vernal moth]

Thanks! First gotta get this paper thing stable ^^

[potent fossil]

yeah ;)

[limpid comet]

That's a cool project mini, thanks for sharing

[golden gust]

was a fun project

I never touched it, I just got to bask in mini's cries

[vernal moth]

I exclusively wrote that in my numerics 1 class

So I would have had to suffer either way

[golden gust]

all I'm saying is is that your pain was nice to enjoy

[vernal moth]

That was my first proper almost polished game too

[ancient bolt]

When will Paper 1.17 be released?

What's taking so long

Y'all are so slow

[golden gust]

that den guy

breaking all the stuff

smh

[ancient bolt]

I didn't pay good money for this

[untold copper]

https://gist.github.com/DeflatedPickle/403e1eb0bb0bed7f2509142e63630726

i have found gold

[ashen cliff]

Thing we need: RF.

Things everything should and has to support: RF.

[ancient bolt]

Retroactive Fortnite?

[limber knot]

Radio Frequency?

[ancient bolt]

Recognizable Fundraising?

[plucky sparrow]

Rutherfordium?

[limber knot]

...

[untold copper]

#RFSupremacy

[limber knot]

#RFSupremacy

[ashen cliff]

#RFSupremacy

I remember how we got promised that after 1.6.4 everything will be unified, no more duplicate ores, no more 50 power gens, ...

[limber knot]

then Extra Utilities went and added grid power LMAO

[ashen cliff]

MFW I have 2 different power converts mods in my 1.6.4 modpack.

[edgy flax]

papers working like a dream in beta so far for me what about everyone eleses?

[limber knot]

haven't the time to test it sadly

[edgy flax]

updating all my 16.5 plugins and everything seems to be stable so far.

[lilac sky]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[ornate dirge]

Hello, bear with mi on this:
if you were held hostage by an animal, bear with me please,

and you could only send one message

bear in mind, only one message

and that was your only way to save yourself

bear with me please

what would you say?

[ashen cliff]

I would drink a shot of vodka with the bear.

[void void]

i try to do this)

[void void]

russian's motivation🇷🇺

[cedar zenith]

ª

[blazing quarry]

What do the poi files actually do?

[ashen cliff]

Villager identified beds, job sites, and bells in the world. Nether portals, bee nests, bee hives, and lodestones also use this.

[blazing quarry]

Is it important to delete poi files when deleting region files?

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[blazing quarry]

Because there's this software called MCAselector that removes chunks and region files

But sometimes it doesn't delete the entire region file, only some chunks in it

While the poi file isn't modified

[ashen cliff]

Should handle POI files already.

[blazing quarry]

I mean what's the worst that happens

Doesn't the region regenerate like it should anyway

[ashen cliff]

Worst that can happen: nether portals would act weirdly.

And villagers.

[blazing quarry]

Oh ok

And then there's also the Entities folder

[wispy blade]

mmmm i love winging things and performing well

[stuck wind]

[patent charm]

Wow no ETA, we all get excited for update today but now have to wait for whenever they decide to update. Poor service

[merry talon]

Ah yes

I wonder when they will decide

[untold copper]

pOoR sErViCe BrO!11!!1

[minor badge]

?kick @patent charm This is what poor service is. Learn some manners. Things take time when it's 100% volunteer work.

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked SoleFern#0001 (*This* is what poor service is. Learn some manners. Things take time when it's 100% volunteer work.) [1 total infraction] -- Proximyst#6900.

[patent charm]

[swift river]

hello

[patent charm]

crushing

[minor badge]

Yes, I for sure will remember something people said 8 days ago, thanks

[quasi valley]

bad jokes don't need to be repeated a week later

[swift river]

i was wondering when papermc 1.17 is going to be realesed

[minor badge]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[swift river]

who reacted

o-o

[void void]

There will be a build online soon according to #announcements

[olive garden]

But it is a good joke, I laughed out loud

[swift river]

oh ok

[patent charm]

I'll allow it

[olive garden]

But it is the first time I saw it :(

Wrong reply sry

[swift river]

uh

so do i have to make a backup before upgrading?

[olive garden]

Always

[merry talon]

You should have a backup anyway

[patent charm]

I am the backup

[quasi valley]

did you read the bold text

[viral hornet]

Would be very silly to not do backups all the time

[patent charm]

my host didn't like me taking backups every 3 hours

[sturdy sphinx]

Anyone know a plugin that makes users verify on discord to join the server?
(EG, join server, gives a code which u type in dc to verify)

[untold meadow]

discordsrv for example

very heavy plugin though

[patent charm]

I use DiscordSRV. You set up a bot and people type /discord link in-game, it gives them a code, then they DM the bot

[untold meadow]

there probably are more lightweight alternatives

[sturdy sphinx]

I see, didnt notice it had a linking section, hoy shit im blind but cheers lmao

[untold meadow]

haha it's a big ol plugin with lots of stuff, not surprising you missed it!

[candid token]

E

Robić plugin

A nie

[tranquil bone]

Italian mocha ice, telling you guys... it's the stuff

[wind geyser]

Still waiting for the public mod log lmao

[minor badge]

youre not getting it lol

[ashen cliff]

Check the IRC log.

[minor badge]

we do mod actions outside of public chat too, krusic

[olive marlin]

If you want that, go to Purpur discord >.>

[ashen cliff]

Oh I know. But still.

[livid swan]

Guys hows the domain mineit.net for SEO?

[void void]

maybe mine.it?

[livid swan]

.it is already taken

[void void]

ah

sad

[livid swan]

I got mineit.net tho

[twin lagoon]

can't register .it either without being italian iirc

[livid swan]

Just curious how it fares

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon hey

[blazing quarry]

Work cannot go by fast enough

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[ashen cliff]

Nah. https://posili.me/i/2021-06-17_13-26-18.png

[twin lagoon]

https://help.hover.com/hc/en-us/articles/217281527--IT-registration-requirements-and-legal-types

it's possible if you live in the EU apparently lmao

[ashen cliff]

Interesting. So no US people allowed.

[stuck wind]

indeed

btw can i apply?

[sacred cove]

I will sacrifice my live for pakistan

[twin lagoon]

apply for what

[stuck wind]

i don't know i'm really bored right now

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon my michale ?

[ashen cliff]

Our @twin lagoon.

[stuck wind]

i really dont know how to pronounce @twin lagoon do i call him Michael or Michael

i think Michael suits better

[twin lagoon]

Bro!

[twin lagoon]

mari epic

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon BEST michale

[stuck wind]

how do i even spell it

[twin lagoon]

[stuck wind]

michale or michael

what do we call @twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

stop tagging me

[stuck wind]

lets call him Mich

Mich sounds better

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther BEST brocc

[stuck wind]

lets call him Rock

[waxen panther]

absolute BEST michael

[stuck wind]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-for-rocks-the-rock-smile-dwayne-jhonson-gif-14790884

[void void]

hi how u guys doin

[stuck wind]

busy

[wispy blade]

what was the irc log command again?

.log

nice

SSL cert expired?

[obtuse canyon]

ETA paper 1.17 ?

[wispy blade]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[obtuse canyon]

will someone send me a link to download the paper 1.17

[wispy blade]

if you don't know how to get it you probably shouldn't use it

[minor badge]

?kick @obtuse canyon Read

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked PLASTAR#1136 (Read) [1 total infraction] -- Proximyst#6900.

[wispy blade]

thanks mari

[thorn rampart]

Seeing the sheer number of people who can't read, I kind of wonder how many people will ask for an ETA on the paper 1.17 release AFTER the release announcement eventually comes out
I'm gonna bet there will be at least 5

[twin lagoon]

nah they'll magically find that

[unique hare]

there are the goblins again, does this paper discord server already have a goblin emoji?

[thorn rampart]

I am willing to bet there will be at least ONE person who will ask...

[wispy blade]

it's just regular papermc discord things

[limber knot]

@dapper drumwwik there's always this "japanese goblin" 👺

[void void]

hai

[twin lagoon]

hi

[wispy blade]

we have dinkdonk isnt that enough

[limber knot]

so, uh, seeing as the global mc player and server count is declining, what are you guys going to do after corona is really over? xD

[twin lagoon]

it'll be fine

numbers are already going back up because of summer breaks

[unreal quarry]

hytale should be out by then ^_^

[twin lagoon]

and then probably go back to normal afterwards

[limber knot]

numbers tend to go down in the summer though?

[twin lagoon]

no

they tend to go up

[waxen panther]

hytale

[limber knot]

not according to bstats

[little umbra]

sus

[silver spruce]

Hyy

[twin lagoon]

the numbers go up during holidays & school breaks

[unique hare]

also, i have exam weeks right now, maybe that's a thing too?

[twin lagoon]

it has always been like that

and yeah there's still some final school stuff for most people

[wide chasm]

bStats is the best way to see how corona is doing 🙂

But I think there were still like 100k servers before corona, so I doubt it'll be much of an issue

[limpid comet]

i'm still in school right now

[limber knot]

well I usually experienced the opposite: people go on vacation/outside on breaks/in summer and don't play as much as they do when they should be doing homework/working instead ;D

[silver spruce]

Hello chat anbody play paper minecraft

[little umbra]

same

[limber knot]

playing minecraft

well there was half of the servers before corona as there were a month ago xD

also interestingly there are now more servers than players 👀

(at least the ones that send stats, hypixel & co aren't on there probably)

[little umbra]

wow

[twin lagoon]

not too surprising

[limber knot]

well it didn't used to be like that before the first lockdowns hit

[wide chasm]

It was ~100k servers before March 2020, now at around 170k with a peak of 200k a bit ago. I think it'll drop back to 120k or so again, but that's still quite a bit.

[limber knot]

also for anyone not having seen the corona start playercounts: https://i.moep.tv/gexw5FyL.png

[little umbra]

@wheat quarry why does it say bot by your name

[twin lagoon]

irc bridge

[wheat quarry]

It doesn't?

[twin lagoon]

[little umbra]

I meant this one

[wispy blade]

watch

[limber knot]

:P

[little umbra]

wut

[wide chasm]

At least the profile picture is now correct again 🙂

[limber knot]

now im a bot too poggers

[wide chasm]

Showed up as default for me before

[little umbra]

how

[void void]

Wtf

[twin lagoon]

irc bridge

[limber knot]

i just turned into a bot bro

[void void]

Link ?

[twin lagoon]

.irc

[limber knot]

https://xkcd.com/1782/

xkcd: Team Chat

2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat.

[twin lagoon]

o

we don't have a proper irc command

[limber knot]

#paper on esper.net

[twin lagoon]

that

[limber knot]

i love xkcd

[honest quartz]

UwU

[limber knot]

"I'm in this picture and I don't like it"

lmao

nah, who am I kidding. I like being that guy lol

xd

ok phoenix

time to turn brain off in comp sci class B)

[wispy blade]

and go back to human

[limber knot]

I mean, it literally says that it will take until 2078 until I make the jump from screen + irssi to tmux + weechat

[wispy blade]

dude tmux is epic

[limber knot]

so is screen ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest quartz]

Idk what we're talking bout so ima be not here

[limber knot]

I should really get started with irssi, I don't like the client I'm using right now as it freezes with LWJGL 2

what are you using?

(also actually it's not screen, it's gnu/screen)

runs

Hexchat

ah

never had issues with that in the past when I used it 👀

also the single fact that screen is GPL and not some BSD-derivate like tmux makes it miles better lol

I mean, discord has the exact same issue, so it is not specific to it

🤔

And thanksfully that only happens in full screen so I just got used to windowed

already 371 servers are running ChestShop on 1.17 and nobody has complained yet... that's a new one lol

:O

*341 👀

I guess I can add 1.17 to the tested versions list lol

darn, J8 is dying quick

and 300 of those aren't even running the latest version smh

[void void]

heh

bots?

[twin lagoon]

irc bridge

[limber knot]

yeah, java 16 is already on 20% lol

that upgrade was one of the best decisions of mojang ever lol

well, the spigot discord is still flooded with "why Java 16 no work"

[vernal moth]

We annoyed them long enough ^^

[limber knot]

also 11 brave souls run java 17 👀

[vernal moth]

I run java 17 locally already

It's feature complete

18 is mainline now, iirc there are already builds for that

[limber knot]

I know a few ones that ran it for loom

[plucky sparrow]

java

18?

[limber knot]

interesting

well, Java 17 is releasing relatively soon

Given that it is an LTS version they want to make sure that there are as few bugs as possible, at which it only makes sense to freeze the API now

happens

[vernal moth]

Every version has the same ramp down phase I am pretty sure

LTS doesn't get special treatment

Just afterwards

[cosmic raft]

morning

[waxen panther]

gm

[unborn swallow]

are mojang auth servers down?

[vernal moth]

.mcstatus

Mmh, wasn't that a command?

[plucky sparrow]

no

[unborn swallow]

weird

[plucky sparrow]

hypixel?

[unborn swallow]

yeah

[plucky sparrow]

they're having problems

not mojang tho

[unborn swallow]

i tried joining with a different client and i got this so

[unborn swallow]

i know its not official

but still

[cosmic raft]

am collecting information just because I am curious: what phone (exact model) do you people use?

[twin lagoon]

the fuck is this client

google pixel 5

[unborn swallow]

https://webclient.prismarine.js.org/

[twin lagoon]

huh

neat

wtf that is very neat

[cosmic raft]

who else? :D

[waxen panther]

iphone 11 pro max

[twin lagoon]

ew

[waxen panther]

sunglass emoji

[unborn swallow]

but yeah hypixel is in offline mode rn

[waxen panther]

zzzzzz

who plays minigames

[plucky sparrow]

iphone 11 pro :(

[cosmic raft]

is that what you have dap?

[unborn swallow]

i tried logging in as a friend but it just stuck me in limbo

[plucky sparrow]

yes

[cosmic raft]

that looks unusually bright @unborn swallow

[plucky sparrow]

looks like bedrock

edition

[waxen panther]

no its the weird webclient thing

[unborn swallow]

its the prismarine client

[olive marlin]

Xperia XZ Premium 😎
Nice huge screen and got it a lot cheaper.

Though this might be my last Sony phone ngl.

[plucky sparrow]

last android phone i had was the S9+ and it sucked ass

such a bad phone

[twin lagoon]

that's samsung software for you

[plucky sparrow]

Oh no I had a custom rom

[twin lagoon]

that's custom roms for you

[plucky sparrow]

What makes it even funnier is that unlocking the bootloader breaks the knox lock and makes it so you can't use samsung pay, health etc

[twin lagoon]

well that's samsung for you

[plucky sparrow]

fr

[limber knot]

Hello Michale!

[plucky sparrow]

Should've gotten a oneplus

[twin lagoon]

hello

[plucky sparrow]

Well at least google gives a decent amount of updates and a very similar experience to android stock

[twin lagoon]

oneplus isn't stock android either

oneplus more like samsung now

[plucky sparrow]

it's really close tho

[twin lagoon]

no

[plucky sparrow]

huh

[twin lagoon]

oneplus has gone downhill

[plucky sparrow]

oh what

[twin lagoon]

from the forced facebook software (although removed after the entire internet complained) to the higher flagship pricing

[plucky sparrow]

Oh yeah I've seen

[twin lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWuj1q7VQU

it's not stock android like at all

[cosmic raft]

as someone who unfortunately owns a OnePlus 7 Pro

I cannot recommend

[plucky sparrow]

Is there any good android phone then?

[twin lagoon]

google pixel if you want the best android experience

[green turret]

I quite like my Pixel 4a. It was cheap and does what it needs to do for me anyway.

[twin lagoon]

else i'd just go for xiaomi and flash roms on it

[unborn swallow]

bluestacks

[plucky sparrow]

Xiaomi makes me want to vomit

[limber knot]

The Pixel 5A is apparently very nice.

[plucky sparrow]

rather not

[twin lagoon]

xiaomi has some interesting phone designs

but the best bang-for-buck stuff

and camera

[plucky sparrow]

MIUI is absolute garbage

[limber knot]

Xiaomi cameras are fucking fantastic.

[twin lagoon]

i wouldn't use MIUI myself no

but xiaomi always has a good custom rom community

[plucky sparrow]

I thought Pixel phones went downhill too

like camera quality-wise

[twin lagoon]

they're still high on dxomark

[toxic ivy]

what is happening here

[twin lagoon]

but the camera hardware hasn't changed for the last 2 - 3 years for some reason

pixel 5 is pretty interesting in general since it's more of a mid-range phone but with high-end flagship pricing

[toxic ivy]

seems like yall are talking about smartphones

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah it's what I've read