general

[golden gust]

it also doesn't attach the existing perms to op levels automagically either

as well as the fact that there is no real sane way to know when that stuff updates

[mossy cliff]

Is there a permission node that removes the ability to travel through portals?

[golden gust]

No

[swift root]

not in vanilla cb/forks

[golden gust]

.g craftbukkit commands

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://bukkit.fandom.com/wiki/CraftBukkit_Commands

[golden gust]

That's basically the general perm list

everything else is generally up to plugins

if you wanna disable the end/nether, you can do that in server.properties and bukkit.yml, iirc

[shy robin]

to paper team

[mossy cliff]

I want to disable it for new players because our houses are far away and grieferd getting on the highway would mean easy access to our houses to grief

Then have like a "member" group which will just allow to do everything vanilla

[ivory radish]

you can use griefprevention

to claim areas

[mossy cliff]

I got rollback plugins

[golden gust]

The moment you start bringing in concepts like "new players", you start to hit a snag around how you're basically at the point where you need a perm plugin anyways to manage that

[void void]

I don't know about their server type but that's your best option

[civic socket]

did eta arrive?

[quasi valley]

no

[ivory radish]

nah

[golden gust]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[golden gust]

please read

[civic socket]

sure

[ivory radish]

sounds like a regular smp

[void void]

It does sound like it but it seems like they don't want new players to grief neither protect claims so 🤷‍♂️

[mossy cliff]

I don't mind if someone from the server steals my diamonds cuz i can get my revenge. Just don't want random people from joining, griefing and leaving forever

[void void]

So you want to be able to grief people back as revenge but you don't want them to grief you and basically dip forever

[mossy cliff]

Yep

But at the same time I don't wanna make whitelists

[ivory radish]

Will aikar's flags need to be changed for java 16 or no?

[olive marlin]

Nope.

[green turret]

Man, I want flags named after me.

[ivory radish]

Ah cool

[swift root]

you already have all of garbage collection named after you

[green turret]

Maybe just one flag. That's a bit more ominous.

Oh right!

[olive marlin]

I was about to say you have garbage flags.

[swift root]

the flags only modify garbage collection, you're still the overlord

[ivory radish]

wait what, paper 1.17 took 9s to start while spigot takes 90s to do that first time...

[void void]

spigot took me quite literally 453 seconds to load while paper usually takes maybe 40 to 30 LMAO

idk whas up with the start times

[vernal moth]

I love updates when ppl downgrade to spigot for a while, suffer and then come back appreciating how much nicer paper is overall ^^

[void void]

Paper startup times is poggers

[ivory radish]

Im happy i dont have to wait a minute looking at Preparing spawn area: 0% spam

[random tide]

did the 1.17 channel get removed

[ivory radish]

#❗-1-17

[stone terrace]

Will it still be ram hungry or is that a base game problem

[random tide]

Jesus i had it minimized sorry

[golden gust]

I mean, that's base game and "literally java"

[ivory radish]

Happens easily, I randomly press Ctrl+Shift+A and it does that

[stone terrace]

My resource usage went up like crazy when moving too 1.17

[void void]

Running 1 gb ram server with 0 players on 1.17 ain't even possible LOL

[ivory radish]

Idk how it is with paper but with spigot 1gb caused the server to hang mid start

[stone terrace]

I gave up last night trying to find a good middle ground and just chucked 32gb until a stable build is released

[mossy cliff]

It is. I'm currently running spigot 1.17 on 1GB RAM

[lime oak]

it's possible but stupid

[mossy cliff]

Not even lagging lol

[olive marlin]

Hmm
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[golden gust]

I mean, I don't recommend like sub 2-3G of ram for MC servers these days

[void void]

Wait, it ain't april 😳

[golden gust]

The server is just doing a whole lot more these days and needs the extra memoery

[mossy cliff]

But if you can pay 3$ vs 12$ and the server runs fine without lag on 1GB why upgrade?

[ashen cliff]

Bro. Do you recommend 120Tb+?

[golden gust]

Yea, ofc

[stone terrace]

1gb is for proxies. Not worth having it for anything else. As a minimum server with friends it's not worth going under 8

[ashen cliff]

Ok good bro.

[golden gust]

120TB and zero-GC

should keep you up for an hour bro

[ashen cliff]

Exactly.

[quasi valley]

that looks closer to a mac now?

[ashen cliff]

2 minutes if you have ViaVersion.

[ivory radish]

how many players to count as a minimum server?

[golden gust]

recommended minimum != minimum

That's the thing, we say 2G just for having some headroom and safety nets

You can always run less, just, you push more towards the danger zone

[stone terrace]

I'd not see much point in having a server without at least 5 players on..

[ashen cliff]

I mean, I ran a 8 player server with a single core and 700MB of ram some time ago.

[ivory radish]

The person said for a minimum server, you should not get less than 8gb ram

[golden gust]

8G is more than most servers need

But, it's better to have a more resources than too little

[ashen cliff]

GC lag.

[naive moat]

1.17 spigot requires 4 gb

If you have less, the server will not start

[stone terrace]

To keep a consistent 20tps.. But with 1.17 I'd have no idea where that bar sits now

[ivory radish]

I ran it 2 days ago with 2gb ram

[glass delta]

me with my hub server running on 2GB: 👁️👄👁️

[naive moat]

my server just didn't start

[mossy cliff]

Let me tell you this. 2 single chests full of TNT exploded in a single chain reaction and it didn't crash the server on 1GB of RAM. It didn't even lag. 1.16.5 paper

[glass delta]

this is running on paper 1.17

[ivory radish]

It depends on the cpu too

[naive moat]

[glass delta]

o it's running on 5950x so nvm then

[naive moat]

i have i9 9900ks 5ghz

2cpu

[mossy cliff]

If you got a page file on an SSD, then all small ram can do is just lag the server for a second and then everything runs fine

[glass delta]

preinstalled fh5 pog

[serene tinsel]

poggers

[twin lagoon]

when is it releasing even

[glass delta]

in ~150d

[twin lagoon]

lol

[serene tinsel]

How do I play Genshin Impact when my mom is in my room

[twin lagoon]

you don't

[ivory radish]

^

[serene tinsel]

But I wanna

:((

[meager tusk]

Too bad

[serene tinsel]

E.

[glass delta]

take apart ur display and take out the polarizer, make glasses with it

[naive moat]

Turning off the monitor

[glass delta]

wear glasses

you'll look drunk while playing a blank white screen but who cares

[naive moat]

I just thought of that

[simple karma]

paper async wen

[void void]

paper async multi threaded 25 tps

[vernal moth]

Paper is already async

In places where it's matters

[void void]

spigot in same time

[glass delta]

are you allocating all 4gb?

[void void]

yes

[glass delta]

bad idea

[void void]

ah

if all

to it isn't

it's hosting

i don't think what it do

[glass delta]

11x/12-1200, where x is the amount of purchased memory in MB. Round to the nearest 100MB.
source: https://birdflop.com/recommendations

so for u it would be 2600mb

[void void]

i just tried the 1.18 datapack supposed to be like the part 2 update but it was literally all lush caves lmao

[ashen cliff]

Works fine for me.

[void void]

how did you get the profile banner thingy?

[void void]

yeah ik it's beta but was there a requirement to partake in the beta?

[glass delta]

no

[golden gust]

yes

the ability to read

oh, that one, nvm

mfw

[glass delta]

[blazing quarry]

I'm loving the progress

[dense hedge]

how long

are they

with this paper thing?

[glass delta]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[void void]

so with the new build system we can easily use a command to get the latest patch update without having to go to papermc.io website to download the update every time?

😳

[glass delta]

wait what actually? 😳

[void void]

with spigot I could use buildtools and it would automatically download latest update and patch it. very nice and clean

but papermc does not have a sophisticated build tools at the moment

[elfin gyro]

this is

[glass delta]

oh u mean a buildtools typa thing

[elfin gyro]

Purpur

1.17

[glass delta]

purpur 1.17 doesn't exist

[void void]

yes, something like this: https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/

[glass delta]

did u build their 1.17 branch or sum

[elfin gyro]

kind of

[glass delta]

yea i thought u meant an in-game command

[elfin gyro]

sorry its vanilla

😂

[limpid comet]

i'd actually say the lack of an auto updater functionality is intentional

you're supposed to vet builds yourself

[spice ether]

Or edit your start script that ask if you want download latest paper when you reboot the server. It's even more easy then buildtools

[void void]

In my dreams it do 😔

[limpid comet]

if a broken patch is released unto this world and your server was auto bumped to the latest patch, you're SOL

[void void]

so many plugins can just auto update automatically very simple and clean. why paper can't auto update?

[glass delta]

i tried adding an update purpur command on my discord bot with pterodactyl api but my mind is doodoo and got stuck on the part where it uploads the jar file

[elfin gyro]

😢

[void void]

Not true at all, I used to use spigot buildtools all the time and auto update daily. never ran into any problems.

[limpid comet]

yes true because it's happened

there's been a few broken patches and people who auto updated had corrupt worlds

[viral hornet]

Auto updating is stupid

That was established long ago lol

[void void]

besides, I have scripts in place to automatically backup server before updating the server version and backup every 24 hours automatically

[spice ether]

Then make a update script it's easy

[glass delta]

||yatopia: adds auto updater functionality and fucks up hard||

[minor badge]

@viral hornet

[viral hornet]

BELLWALD

hahahaha

[limpid comet]

then you can make scripts in place that update yourself

i've done it

[viral hornet]

@minor badge

[limpid comet]

just use the API

it's just not recommended

[void void]

can you share your auto updater script that works with every new version released?

[limpid comet]

it's on github

startcraft

it's actually a nodejs cli tool to pull the latest version manually, but it uses the paper API same way an auto updater would

[spice ether]

Don't expect to have auto update script that update from 1.16 to 1.17

[void void]

I want it to be fully automatic. so keeps updating whenever new update has been released. no user intervention

[glass delta]

so ur telling me i made a wholeass discord.js thing for it and i didn't have to because startcraft already existed

[limpid comet]

https://github.com/kadenscott/startcraft/ it's not maintained or listed on the npm registry

[void void]

no, not major updates. minor versions should get updated automatically. major updates like from 1.16 to 1.17 be done manually

[limpid comet]

just a side project (and my first time writing a cli js tool)

[spice ether]

Not recommend if there is a broken build you have issues

[limpid comet]

yea, auto updating really is a bad idea

i want to make sure you fully understand the implications

[void void]

I think it won't hurt to download a jar once a week and upload it tbh

[limpid comet]

you should do testing yourself

[void void]

I understand the risks. however out of habbit I want things to be automated and updated at all times. on ubuntu whenever I ssh , first thing first is sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade it was very annoying to do this manually, so I automated it. same thing for plugins and server. anything that needs user intervention is dumb. everything must be fully automatic

[viral hornet]

Well automate stuff for yourself then?

[limpid comet]

keep in mind your automatic system needs to account for human error

which, given this is an open source project, is definitely something you need to watch out for

i'd rather test and vet before changing anything user-facing like a server, but that's just me i guess

[mossy vessel]

Know your packages and pull updates when needed.

[limpid comet]

yep

[viral hornet]

@mossy vessel

[limpid comet]

peepoehar

[mossy vessel]

good morning

[viral hornet]

idk what you're talking about beluly

[mossy vessel]

kenni didn't wash my car, very mad

[viral hornet]

[limpid comet]

i just sat there trying to figure out a way to misspell camm

cmam

[void void]

thats why I have two instances of the same server. one is for development and new changes and the other is the production server. any changes I make to the dev server, will be pushed to production server after testing with 1 single command. all automatic

[viral hornet]

GOTTEM

[minor badge]

Problem is that no amount of backups will help your players being furious if your server runs for 8 hours then you need to roll back it all because it fucked up during saving at shutdown

[mossy vessel]

camm

[limpid comet]

yea keep in mind players aren't going to love the idea of their last day of work being rolled back

[void void]

so I want to automate updating papermc.jar on the development server. test everything then push it to the main production server

[limpid comet]

hi @minor badge

[minor badge]

.api

[limber knot]

https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html

[minor badge]

ack that's not it

[limpid comet]

trolled

[minor badge]

could've sworn we had a downloads API command

.dlapi

[limber knot]

Documentation for our downloads API can be read at https://papermc.io/api/docs/ (you can also try the API out here, too!)

[minor badge]

use that, specnull

[void void]

never had to rollback any world. because worlds are backed up seperately with a different backup system that can rollback every minute if I needed to

pog

[viral hornet]

@void void

[high sierra]

Anyone know when paper 1.17 is out?

[viral hornet]

.eta

[spice ether]

Poggers

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[viral hornet]

Read that @high sierra

[limpid comet]

t-5 min before paper mods get mad at boost

[minor badge]

@limpid comet iwi

[high sierra]

Ty!

[limpid comet]

specnull there's also https://github.com/kadenscott/startcraft/blob/909a5cc5b13e54938d1c4bd937a5fd705cc5eb35/src/questions/paper.ts#L36 if you want to see it in action

[rustic valve]

For you, never

[limpid comet]

ignore the shit code. i don't pride myself on the ability to write good typescript

[void void]

also most of my servers don't have any changes in the worlds since they are games. with fixed maps. only creative and survival server need backups for worlds which are done automatically.

[minor badge]

[rustic valve]

Then update the stuff you want automatically. There's an API for it.

[minor badge]

@limpid comet it's not that ugly smh

[limpid comet]

i think that might actually be because of brocc

he made everything typescript at some point because he's cute

[void void]

using that API but had difficulties setting it up to automatically detect new changes when new version is released

[rustic valve]

Run it once a day and call it

[void void]

okay

shortly about spigot packets:

Channel channel = ((Craftplayer)player).getHolder().b.a.k;

[minor badge]

just store the build num

[void void]

it's so shitty

[limpid comet]

yea you'll wanna track what build number you're on and get what you want to update to

after that its just a few http requests

[rustic valve]

Sounds like work. Just overwrite the same file multiple times until some day it changes

[minor badge]

that's what I do

[void void]

yes a bit of trouble. but I can make it work

[limpid comet]

lol

[void void]

but if there was auto update implemented that would be great!~

just turn it off by default so noobs don't get into trouble

[rustic valve]

They still will

[spice ether]

No it would not be great

[minor badge]

we won't

[limpid comet]

majority of the servers won't benefit, why bother when there's a whole API for it

[olive marlin]

You don't need to download file or store the version - can compare the Sha.

[minor badge]

it's easier to just overwrite it though

[limpid comet]

i like to track the version just so i know

i need my numbers

[olive marlin]

But there's a reason there's no auto update. We sometimes break things.

[minor badge]

Norwegians all think alike for we are huge brained

[rustic valve]

Giant

[void void]

okay how about auto update that updates to the latest version of a week behind. so if any wrong code or mistake gets released. I won't get into trouble?

[olive marlin]

And for test server, I didn't have an issue writing like 5 lines of Bash to check the version and update.

[rustic valve]

If we aren't seeping oil, we're seeping brain

[olive marlin]

If a week ago we broke something and fixed since, you'll still be impacted.

[minor badge]

[olive marlin]

That solves nothing.

[void void]

okay I guess its clear what to do. I'll setup my own scripts to auto update. got the great idea just now tnx

[viral hornet]

[rustic valve]

[ashen cliff]

Check out how well the SkinsRestorer auto updater went.

[rustic valve]

oh - Camm did the clap

[heady spear]

@mental meadow uwu.

[rustic valve]

I've never understood fully how to deal with this, because it basically feels like the answer is to not update to the latest version of something, or be fully indepth of the development of every single thing you have.
And both of those things seem, Iunno, off?

[limpid comet]

the answer is to test before updating anything

you should most certainly be aware of any software you're running

[rustic valve]

But how much should you reasonably test?

[limpid comet]

check announcements, see what people have to say about the build, etc, etc

[heady spear]

i disagree, u just always run nightly builds and then yolo it

if it breaks you send death threats to the devs

[limpid comet]

generally issues are reported very quickly and from what i've seen the paper team is quick to respond and let people know what happened

[void void]

https://i.imgur.com/Xe7wiwa.png

1.18 pretty pog

ngl

[rustic valve]

My statement isn't exclusive to Paper though, it's an umbrella term for, well, everything

[vernal moth]

U also working on a custom client?

https://i.imgur.com/PvfjA26.jpg

[limpid comet]

thats the OG build isn't it

[vernal moth]

Minecraft be pretty

[void void]

hell yeah

[limpid comet]

nice mini, is that your godot creation

[rustic valve]

I think you have a bug in your code here

[heady spear]

implying you're actively working on that mini

[vernal moth]

Sssssssh city

[void void]

building a house rn

https://i.imgur.com/CTCYUJv.png

[vernal moth]

It's on hold for godot 4

Since that's close to alpha now, I'll pick it back up soon

[limpid comet]

i think i'm going to play around with godot later today, i have something i want to try

[olive marlin]

What I do is I do basic test before I update, but I also:

1. Track GH changes (I won't update quickly if new API is added)
2. Don't update unless there was usually 48 hours since last build, unless there was a critical fix i really want.

[limpid comet]

#2 is a great idea

well they both are

[heady spear]

i wanna try out korge now that i am an epic fulltime dev

[lean kiln]

wtf is korge

[vernal moth]

What ya wanna do?

[olive marlin]

Tbh, for most people, just waiting 48 hours since last build minimizes the risk so much, that it's not necessarily worth tracking anything else.

[vernal moth]

Since kotlin compiles to llvm you can use it with godot actually

[heady spear]

https://korge.org/ :]]

[limpid comet]

2d thing. bullet hell but instead of moving directionally, you use things like grappling hooks or swinging around a point or something to move

no clue if it'll be fun or not but only one way to find out

[heady spear]

actually though, godot is exciting

I've just had nothing worthwhile to work on yet

[void void]

nostalgia is unreal

[vernal moth]

Yeah, neither have I

I don't get why ppl get nostalgia for old mc versions

Like, unless it's beta 1.5 piston Mod, everything is shit

[limpid comet]

everything is shit
at least one thing stayed consistent throughout the versions

[waxen panther]

a

[limpid comet]

hi brocc

[void void]

looking back at how simple the game was mechanic wise? idk tbh 🤷‍♂️

back when the nether and the end were only there to serve one purpose and thats it LOL

[viral hornet]

brocc

[rustic valve]

The game was simpler. There were fewer mechanics, but they let you get a sense of freedom. Say, the pillagers. It's a fun game-mechanic that provides a "game", but while it adds to the game, it removes the freedom to, Iunno, also not?

It's a weird thing

[waxen panther]

wat

and camm

[heady spear]

broccolai 😠

[waxen panther]

citymonstret ?

why are you : angry :

[shell vine]

people used to build nice things more

rather than "beat the game"

[ashen cliff]

Before the dragon there was peace and prospect.

[shell vine]

before enchanting and potions 😄

[void void]

all i see now are people playing for 30 minutes killing the ender dragon and then leaving the world to die in peace until a major update happens so they have a reason to revisit

[shell vine]

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/iKBs9l8jS6Q

[whole prawn]

is this 1.8?

||the joke is that 1.8 is a old shitty version nobody should use anymore||

[olive marlin]

That's for sure some videos because they are short and dynamic.
Doesn't stop people from collaborating and create awesome stuff.
I feel like it just added a category of speed runners without hurting people who just want to be creative.

[untold copper]

this is fricking awesome

[worn ember]

yes

[limpid comet]

i like the speedrunning stuff

i think minecraft speedruns are hilarious on their own just because of how this game is entirely RNG

[shell vine]

im watching it rn i have to keep pausing to actually take it in O_O

[worn ember]

yeah, imagine being to create something like that

[wispy blade]

learn blender 😔

[worn ember]

i dont have the patience

[wispy blade]

don't need to have patience

just gotta mess around

[worn ember]

shhh

[wispy blade]

shut up DED

learn blender

:c

[worn ember]

i used to cinema4D

[wispy blade]

xd

[static badge]

please give me world data producing the codec errors, I am preparing a fix and I need to verify it

[waxen panther]

@static badge

[static badge]

please only the regionfiles that produce it, anything else I will not look

[void void]

is this java 16 ? For windows

[ashen cliff]

Use this: https://adoptopenjdk.net/

[void void]

okay thx

what is this

[ashen cliff]

Hotspot.

[void void]

ok

[pale hinge]

hi guys, i need your help. someone keeps joining my server with different names and cheats to get money somehow. i dont know how he does that. if you have any idea, pls help. these are my plugins:
antiRedstoneClock, AuctionHouse, BackLobby, BungeeChatBridge*, Citizens, Clans, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, DriveBackupV2, dtlTraders, Essentials, GoldenCrates, GriefPrevention, GSit, HolographicDisplays, KeepInventory, LPC, LuckPerms, Matrix, NexEngine, NoVillagerTrade*, PlaceholderAPI, Plan, PlugMan, ProtocolLib, PvPManager, SkinsRestorer, TAB-BukkitBridge, TerraformGenerator, TigerReports, TimeIsMoney*, Vault, VeinMiner, WarpSystem, WorldBorder, WorldEdit, WorldGuard

[limpid comet]

lol

wouldn't know what plugin but there could be any number of exploits possible on your server

[worn ember]

no one is gonna magically know how to exploit your server lol

[limpid comet]

track down this player and watch how he does it

check your logs and stuff

[worn ember]

^^

[limpid comet]

ded

[worn ember]

[viral hornet]

SkinsRestorer

[pale hinge]

👀

[royal kernel]

[viral hornet]

You probably won't find support if you're using offline mode here

[pale hinge]

okay, thank you ❤️

[royal kernel]

Are u using bungeecord

[pale hinge]

yes

[viral hornet]

Why do you have skinrestorer then

[royal kernel]

There are plugins that protected you from bungee spoof

[pale hinge]

it works in bungee mode now

[pale hinge]

can you please share some of them? 👀

[royal kernel]

Idk them off the top of my head, just google bungeespoof plugin and it will be there

[void void]

no. I using waterfall

[wispy blade]

was the question directed at you?

no.

[royal kernel]

Thats what I ment lol

[clever pollen]

[oshi.util.platform.windows.PerfDataUtil] Failed to add PDH Counter: \Файл подкачки(_Total)% Usage, Error code: 0xC0000BB8

[twin lagoon]

thanks

[waxen panther]

#paper-dev message

[zealous knot]

https://shx.gg/7tl9NK.png

Third year in a row

[twin lagoon]

lol

[blazing quarry]

Damn Mojang out here causing bugs

I got the generation error too

[plain thunder]

im very sad that the new generation, i really wanted to have only exists in a experimental datapack

😦

[ashen cliff]

Install the datapack and call it a day.

[plain thunder]

well

[viral hornet]

That's not a good idea if you plan to use the same world in 1.18

[plain thunder]

i tried converting my pre-1.17 server to 1.17's stable

[blazing quarry]

Nah I won't break my server like that

[plain thunder]

and it corrupted the world

and broke the server

[waxen panther]

@twin lagoon

[ashen cliff]

Very good.

[lean kiln]

@waxen panther

[blazing quarry]

Don't use snapshots or data packs

It's a recipe for disaster

[plain thunder]

yep

i used to use datapacks for my server

things worked fine

[blazing quarry]

Hell Mojang accidentally deleted iron at one point

[waxen panther]

@lean kiln

[lean kiln]

hi

[waxen panther]

go to bed

[plain thunder]

until i updated from 1.15 to 1.16 then basically got forced to use a plugin version of the datapack

[plain thunder]

bruh

[golden gust]

Mojang does not have a sane way to manage biomes across updates properly

[mossy vessel]

ceo of ceos

[waxen panther]

waiting for my promotion

[lean kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-blah-emoji-gif-11584943

[golden gust]

all it takes is for mojang right now to add or remove a biome without imtentionally writing migration logic and boom goes your world

[lean kiln]

mojang? messing up a datafixer? never!

[plain thunder]

I still wonder how they haven't tbh

updating from 1.12 to 1.13/14 really messes up the border between old world and new chunks

like every other version its bad

[void void]

Wait... what's gonna happen with 1.18? Bedrock is gonna be moved down 40 blocks in 1.18

[plain thunder]

thats in 1.17, technically

[void void]

The Mighty Wall of Bedrock will come into existense

[plain thunder]

in 1.17 the build limit is removed

[plain thunder]

oh no

but yeah

theres a huge cave system going to be made below y=10

in 1.18

1.17 was supposed to bring it, but they decided it's covid so we're just pushing the update without the most wanted features right now

[void void]

No that's 1.18

[plain thunder]

no its removed in 1.17

[void void]

Brb I'm going to google

[golden gust]

a lot of the tech changes ended up in 1.17

[glass delta]

the limit is removed, it's still at 256 but that doesn't mean u can't change it in 1.17

[golden gust]

datapacks can change it

[plain thunder]

yeah datapacks can change that now

[void void]

So how was everyone's day

[void void]

so i can build 100 million miles of blocks till I reach the sun? 😳

[plain thunder]

the sun is just visual, not an actual block

so nope'

[lucid prism]

Hmmm today I will ask for a 1.17 ETA

[waxen panther]

k

[plain thunder]

but i think in reality it would indeed be possible to build that many blocks into the air

[lucid prism]

*gets banned instantly *

[waxen panther]

probably!

[plain thunder]

Gets banned instantly
Causes the official release to be postponed by yet another day

[void void]

Antvenom on the case 😳

[vernal moth]

Nah, if you go above a few thousand blocks everything starts dying

[plain thunder]

well ive seen that a few hundred million eventually just crashes minecraft

[vernal moth]

Don't ask me how I know

[plain thunder]

End crystal flying goes brrr

[honest quartz]

you just do

[void void]

The legend of the vertical world border

At how much your pc can last

[plain thunder]

horizontal

my pc needs a new cpu, but for that i need a new gpu and gpus are literally thousands thanks to bitgarbage miners

[full forum]

Will there be an (@)Everyone ping when 1.17 paper gets released?

[void void]

yes i suppose

[full forum]

Alright, just making sure

[honest quartz]

Also ive been seeing some performance issues lately on the server i moderate, like 6fps low vs 240fps high? Is there smth wrong?

[wispy blade]

fps issues are client side

[plain thunder]

wdym fps, fps is client side lol

tps (20) on server is fine

tps 17 is not

[honest quartz]

Fps

Like

I go on singleplayer i have no issues

[plain thunder]

bro

its because lobbies are usually full of players and a thousand systemized things

[honest quartz]

I think its a hardware issues

[plain thunder]

ofc you have no issues on singleplayer

[honest quartz]

...with 2 players online

[waxen panther]

use fabric with performance mods

[plain thunder]

servers usually send a billion things to the client at once

[waxen panther]

vanilla client pretty pegega

[honest quartz]

i use optifine

[waxen panther]

optifine is garbage

[plain thunder]

shaders?

[honest quartz]

No

[waxen panther]

yes

[honest quartz]

Kinda

[plain thunder]

well if optifine's garbage

[mental meadow]

brocco 😦

[waxen panther]

awoourwar

[void void]

Did you know that farlands might be added back

[plain thunder]

tell me how to use shaders without optifine

[full forum]

There are better options

[honest quartz]

smh

[waxen panther]

He's talking about performance, how are shaders even remotely related to the conversation

[golden gust]

literally all it takes is enough glass blocks and you can drop a high end GPU into single digits

[mental meadow]

better performance means more shaders

[honest quartz]

i wanna figure out why im having these issues where as before i had no issues

[plain thunder]

lmao true

[honest quartz]

Im on Iris XE lmfao

[plain thunder]

whats iris, some shader mod or?

oh

[honest quartz]

intel

[void void]

hi guys

[waxen panther]

iris is a shader mod, it's also a intel lineup

[honest quartz]

yes

[waxen panther]

They're talking about the mod though

[honest quartz]

o

well

[full forum]

Hi @void void

[plain thunder]

intel cpus lo

[void void]

pong

[honest quartz]

can we like not stray away from the issue?

[magic river]

I'd rather have sodium than shaders

[honest quartz]

like

[honest quartz]

Sodium looks like poopoo

[waxen panther]

?

It doesnt change how the game looks what are you talking about

[plain thunder]

i use sildurs vibrant extreme shaders

[honest quartz]

Ugh i think its my drivers

[plain thunder]

optifine just completely broke on forge for some reason, makes every entitiy invisible now

[honest quartz]

Somebody tell me how to reinstall intel drivers

[magic river]

Get yourself some sodium, lithium, and starlight, client goes brrrrr

[honest quartz]

nope

[wispy blade]

shaders on intel

what

[honest quartz]

Iris xe is an amazing iGPU

Fh4 low 30fps

[magic river]

Too bad Intel's Windows driver is known to be a bit buggy

[honest quartz]

yes

uhm

[magic river]

Switch to Linux, problem solved

[honest quartz]

Lemme find the screenshot

[honest quartz]

Laptop

[void void]

isn't it weird that out of all the games minecraft is the one that can make any pc bend to its knees

[magic river]

I'm running Linux on a laptop right now?

[royal kernel]

Do u guys game on linux or windows

[wispy blade]

depends on how quirky im feeling

[plain thunder]

so what can i use to keep using shaders

;-;

[magic river]

Laptops are the best place to run Linux, assuming you didn't get suckered with one of those nvidia GPUs

[honest quartz]

Hahahahahaha as if its my client

[royal kernel]

I like windows for most games, but linux for everything else

[honest quartz]

Those are the drivers crapping the bed and bsoding

[wispy blade]

that's normal

[honest quartz]

lmao

[magic river]

Dedicated GPUs in laptops are a joke though

[honest quartz]

no its not when every 3 errors cause a bsod

[royal kernel]

The 3000s series in laptops, hows that a joke

[wispy blade]

seeing errors in event viewer is literally normal

[magic river]

They're either not much better than the iGPU or they make the laptop larger, thicker, hotter, and cut the battery life to 90 minutes

[honest quartz]

That means about 533 bsods from that error

[wispy blade]

windows soft errors all the time

[honest quartz]

Read

smh

[waxen panther]

my brain hurty

[honest quartz]

Wall of text incoming

I found this

A common stability problem in graphics occurs when the system appears completely frozen or hung while processing an end-user command or operation. Usually the GPU is busy processing intensive graphics operations, typically during game-play. No screen updates occur, and users assume that their system is frozen. Users usually wait a few seconds and then reboot the system by pressing the power button. Windows tries to detect these problematic hang situations and dynamically recover a responsive desktop.

This process of detection and recovery is known as Timeout Detection and Recovery (TDR). The default timeout is 2 seconds. In the TDR process for video cards, the operating system's GPU scheduler calls the display miniport driver's DxgkDdiResetFromTimeout function to reinitialize the driver and reset the GPU.

During this process, the operating system tells the driver not to access the hardware or memory and gives it a short time for currently running threads to complete. If the threads do not complete within the timeout, then the system bug checks with 0x116 VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE. For more information, see Thread Synchronization and TDR.

The system can also bug check with VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE if a number of TDR events occur in a short period of time, by default more than five TDRs in one minute.

If the recovery process is successful, a message will be displayed, indicating that the "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered."

For more information, see Timeout Detection and Recovery (TDR), TDR Registry Keys and TDR changes in Windows 8 which are located in Timeout Detection and Recovery (TDR).

This was on Microsoft's website
@wispy blade

[slim plover]

hi

[honest quartz]

pls no ban

[waxen panther]

dont spam lmao

[honest quartz]

its not spam

[waxen panther]

pretty spammy

[magic river]

And then of course since nvidia doesn't have open source drivers dealing with having two GPUs on Linux is a PITA

So you get a hot brick that can't run Linux well

[honest quartz]

Im explaining whats wrong with my gpu

snh

[magic river]

Dunno why you'd ever want it

[wispy blade]

it tells me literally nothing except what windows does to prevent stalling

[honest quartz]

i need to reinstall drivers but cant figure out how the heck i do it

[honest quartz]

Read it again

[vernal moth]

Oh god youtube is so cursed

https://youtu.be/Y5MIr9k_dPA

[honest quartz]

Basically

[wispy blade]

read it yourself

[honest quartz]

It bsods

Every time it throws ~3 of those errors

With VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE

[waxen panther]

[wispy blade]

then say that in the first place lmfao instead o
"every 3 errors it bsods!!!!!!!!!"

[magic river]

So you're saying your driver is so fucked it triggers the watchdog more than 5 times a minute?

[honest quartz]

yes

[magic river]

Are you sure that's the driver and not a bad GPU?

[honest quartz]

yes

confident

[magic river]

Well then go fix it

[honest quartz]

how

[wispy blade]

google

[upbeat falcon]

Clean Installation of Intel® Graphics Drivers in Windows®

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000057389/graphics.html

Right-click the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter. Select Update driver. Click Browse my computer for driver software. Click Let me pick from a list of device drivers ...

Requested by Amaranth - About 3,000,000 results (0.45 seconds)

[soft hollow]

Just ddu in safe mode and reinstall drivers

[honest quartz]

Thx

[honest quartz]

no

[waxen panther]

??

[vernal moth]

Wow this is cool

https://utopia.app/

[waxen panther]

ooo that does look cool

[honest quartz]

Thanks @magic river

[waxen panther]

it'd be nice as a vsc extension or something

[void void]

Spam is food <3

[magic river]

Now if I could just get people to use utopia instead of xd 😛

[full forum]

Out of curiosity, is there a quick way to quickly disable the fixes for glitches that were patched by paper?

[twin lagoon]

no

[full forum]

I use paper for plugins and performance, not to break complex machines

[twin lagoon]

if you want full vanilla compatibility, don't use paper

use fabric with performance mods

[full forum]

Ok, but I'm on a server

[twin lagoon]

yes

and fabric can be ran on the server

[full forum]

Well the reason I'm sticking to Fabric rn is that it's holding my nether and end hostage

I'll look into it though

Thank you

Why does Fabric even do these patches?

It seems to be an odd thing for a performance optimization program to do

[twin lagoon]

what?

your question doesn't make much sense

[full forum]

Fabric patched out bedrock breaking and broke TNT duping

[twin lagoon]

that's paper?

[full forum]

Paper, I'm dumb

[twin lagoon]

paper fixes bugs, exploits & improves performance

[tropic flame]

... fixing bugs is a good thing though?

[full forum]

Not in every case

[tropic flame]

if your server's economy depends on bugs, your server's economy is wrong

[worn ember]

so much polen in the air it feels like its snowing

[tropic flame]

polen sucks

actually noses suck

[full forum]

Although Mojang considered Iron Farms to be an exploit, they never fixed it because it's the only way to get large amounts of iron

Same thing here

[golden gust]

performance optimization program

[worn ember]

i dont really have issues with it, luckily, other than the occassional sneeze

[golden gust]

you.. erm.. forgot to read the full tag line

[twin lagoon]

Paper is a high performance fork of the Spigot Minecraft Server that aims to fix gameplay and mechanics inconsistencies as well as to improve performance.

Paper contains numerous features, bug fixes, exploit preventions and major performance improvements not found in Spigot.

[tropic flame]

idk i like to mine but you do you

[waxen panther]

michael

[wispy blade]

my nose was full snot river earlier 👀

[tropic flame]

but sure, quasiconnectivity on redstone was supposed to be a bug but they kept it in as a feature

[twin lagoon]

brocc my beloved

[tropic flame]

bedrock edition does not have it though

[mossy cliff]

The vanilla structure bug... Is it just a console annoyance or does it have impact on world generation?

[mossy vessel]

brocc, ceo of brocc

[worn ember]

bruh im trying to eat here

[waxen panther]

woah 😳

[mossy cliff]

Broccoli soup is the best soup

[twin lagoon]

kori epic

[minor badge]

In case you meant Paper, we do not

You can simply rename them to DIM1 and DIM-1 and move them into the base world

I do not remember which is which but it's really that simple

[mossy cliff]

DIM1 is end

[tropic flame]

does the server still use DIM1/-1 from minecraft 1.13 and up?

i thought they had dropped those kind of IDs

[full forum]

Oh ok

Why does paper do this?

[golden gust]

craftbukkit did it due to their own multiworld stuff before vanilla added it, basically

[full forum]

Sorry if I'm annoying anyone, I'm just curious on how and why this works

[mossy cliff]

Wait so which folder does paper use? The DIM1 and DIM-1 or world_nether world_the_end?

[golden gust]

No need to rename anything, btw

just gotta move the DIM folders inside of the nether/end folder into the world folder

and paper uses the world_ folders

[tropic flame]

i think they meant in case they move the world from Craftbukkit-land back to vanilla

[golden gust]

as said, it's an artifact of craftbukkit adding multi-world before vanilla had their own system in place

[mossy cliff]

I remember those world folders even from 1.1

[magic river]

Don't Sponge and Forge do something similar with multi-world?

[tropic flame]

from my experience (1.12.2), no - everything stays inside the world folder

like vanilla

[magic river]

Does the vanilla client shit itself when you send it to dimension -2? 😛

[tropic flame]

probably

[wispy blade]

try it and see

[tropic flame]

a Forge client will just act normal tho

[magic river]

I suppose you could add something to the level.dat with names for each dimension and possibly mappings from whatever it is on disk to one of the vanilla ids and then have things work in a more vanilla manner

[worn ember]

send them to the depths of mordor

[tropic flame]

as long as there's a dimension -2

[magic river]

But that's kind of shit compared to having the world name be the directory name and being able to use the vanilla dimension id for multiple worlds

[glass delta]

wat is eta for eta for eta for eta of paper 1.21

[waxen panther]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5849 bruh

[wispy blade]

was

another person messing up git history gg

[magic river]

Did they make a PR for a branch they don't own in order to file a bug report about their plugin trying to use libraries they shouldn't use?

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

what are they even trying to do lmao

[glass delta]

makes 2147483648% sense to me

[worn ember]

10 minute build times

[waxen panther]

ur dum

[wispy blade]

hey

facts

DarkEyeDragon more like DarkEyeDummy

[worn ember]

haters

[wispy blade]

no

im tsundere af

[worn ember]

more like weeb

[magic river]

It only takes 10 minutes the first time you do it

[wispy blade]

needs to build the caches :>

[magic river]

I think half of that is running through the spigot build process?

[waxen panther]

Most of it is

only took me 2 mins to build from clean gh actions are just slow

And cuz it’s gradle now it’s all cached cor next run

[wispy blade]

pog there was still apple pie left

was kinda stale tho

[worn ember]

ur kinda stale

[wispy blade]

mrsstaleobrine

[languid karma]

love the new color coded thing that they added

[wispy blade]

happens

[waxen panther]

yes jomp features are the best

[gusty rock]

"7.48 GB / 8 GB"
haha, wtf with this 1.17

[next frost]

[wispy blade]

"haha it's actually using the ram i allocated"

[next frost]

very surprising

[gusty rock]

after disable multiverse
4.14 GB / 8 GB

or multiverse not support now for 1.17

[next frost]

you're clearly not understanding how the jvm manages memory

that's the only issue here

[void void]

I've heard that paper 1.17 will use up all our ram is that true?

[mossy vessel]

(/s)

[worn ember]

yes, and then it'll use the ram of the entire neighborhood until its omnipotent

[mellow quiver]

1.17 was omnipotent from the start

[gusty rock]

this

not just paper, vanilla, and spigot in 1.17

[wispy blade]

that depends on your settings

[heady turret]

WALAHI

Who here can't wait till Friday

[wispy blade]

it's only wednesday

chill

[elfin gyro]

👀

[plucky sparrow]

I've setup my Raspberry Pi 4 as a server 😼

[wispy blade]

oh no

[plucky sparrow]

not for Minecraft though

I already tried that

[wispy blade]

what kinda server :o

[plucky sparrow]

way too bad 😔

Oh I'll just use it to host my Discord Bots

It's more than fast enough

[sage herald]

So I can use it on my server? 😎

[potent fossil]

Morning.

[worn ember]

so funny i almost drowned in my tears

[sage herald]

It is because I am funny

[blazing quarry]

ok so this is my first time running a server from a terminal

is it bad to close the window to shut down the server?

[potent fossil]

Yes

That's killing it, not shutting it down

[blazing quarry]

ok so i should definitely type "stop" first

[potent fossil]

Always type stop in console or /stop in game.

[blazing quarry]

alright

[worn ember]

it wont run its saving cycles if you just end the process

[potent fossil]

correct

it just gets killed at whatever its doing

world corruption is common

[wispy blade]

hey simple

how was your slep

[potent fossil]

I was unconscious for it, so that's a plus

[blazing quarry]

soo

is the structure loading issue serious

should i wait on updating to 1.17?

[wispy blade]

yes

[potent fossil]

yes.....

do not use that for your server under any circumstances

that is an alpha build

not even a test build

[wispy blade]

unless you want to help find bugs ofc

[blazing quarry]

I wasn't talking about the paper build

[worn ember]

its a mojang bug tho

[blazing quarry]

It's an issue on vanilla

[waxen panther]

public experimental build was a mistake people just see link and click

[potent fossil]

Oh, ok, well. I wouldn't run vanilla or spigot regardless

But that's me

[worn ember]

their problem then brocc

[waxen panther]

not really when all they do is come complain

[potent fossil]

My bad

[worn ember]

complain back, that'll teach em

[blazing quarry]

this is an issue that people experience even when upgrading in a vanilla world

from vanilla 1.16.5 to vanilla 1.17

[potent fossil]

indeed

[blazing quarry]

should i wait for mojang to fix it or do you think it's ok?

[potent fossil]

i mean, in general, unless you like to live on the bleeding edge, wait another week

[bronze widget]

Is spigot chunk loading async?

[potent fossil]

you dont typically want to upgrade immediately, for any software

[potent fossil]

no

[bronze widget]

Ah no wonder

Chunky is taking forever

[potent fossil]

I would expect that

[drowsy maple]

How do i get paper 1.17 experimental?

[bronze widget]

don't

[potent fossil]

#❗-1-17.

[waxen panther]

#❗-1-17

but yea prolly dont lol

[void void]

pp mc

[potent fossil]

If you run it on your server, it's your own risk. Don't come and cry to us when it ruins your worlds and whatever. Take backups if you plan to ignore what I just said

[waxen panther]

@bronze widget If its a big world you can move your world to fabric with sodium and starlight, would gen a lot faster

[blazing quarry]

love it when i just remember a password from 3 years ago on a wild hunch

[bronze widget]

Fabric is server software?

[waxen panther]

It can be yes

[blazing quarry]

yes

i didnt know fabric loads chunks faster?

[waxen panther]

With starlight and sodium it would be far faster than spigot

[blazing quarry]

oh, wow

[bronze widget]

Oh interesting. Any place I can see how to do it?

[blazing quarry]

i thought fabric was terrible at optimization

[potent fossil]

that's why you add the mods starlight and sodium

[plucky sparrow]

oh oops

[waxen panther]

not really, and it's lithium not sodium, i always get them confused

[waxen panther]

no

[potent fossil]

gg brocc

[waxen panther]

fabric loader is just a smaller wrapper

its not my fault they have stupid names

[worn ember]

fabric itself doesnt do much

[blazing quarry]

lithium sodium and phosphorous

[potent fossil]

oh im stealing that emoji thanks

[waxen panther]

no

starlight is much better than phosphorous

[blazing quarry]

oh

[waxen panther]

and sodium only affects client

[blazing quarry]

i dont know what they do

[bronze widget]

So does fabric support spigot plugins?

[potent fossil]

Perfect

[blazing quarry]

no

[worn ember]

fabric paper wen

[waxen panther]

nah, im just saying you can gen your world on it. it's not a replacement ^^

[blazing quarry]

fabric and spigot are two different ecosystems

oh that can be an idea

[potent fossil]

all brocc means is set it up, move your world, pregen, then move it back to your spigot/paper server

[plucky sparrow]

Paper & Fabric are two whole different materials 😩

[blazing quarry]

generate your world first then switch to paperspigotuinityatopiairplane

[bronze widget]

Ok i see. Is tutorial/article that someone can link on how to do that?

[potent fossil]

you can skip the last two

[nocturne agate]

Airplane ain't bad

[blazing quarry]

yeah stop at tuinity

[potent fossil]

ah yes taking open sauce project, mek it close sauce, sell it

[blazing quarry]

maybe purpur

[potent fossil]

[blazing quarry]

purpur has stopped putting airplane in their build also

[nocturne agate]

ah, well if you look at that way

[waxen panther]

do people just come in here and say fork names to bait or what

[potent fossil]

yes

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/k2uqp0a3Krk

[nocturne agate]

but whats up with yatopia? I tested it last month and its quite stable

[limber knot]

SpigotPaper best Paper!

runs

[nocturne agate]

not as crappy as before

[waxen panther]

ok yes they are just trolling

[potent fossil]

yatopia i will give no comments on

as for airplane, i just don't respect any fork (not just in the mc community) which splits off, closes source, and doesn't contribute back upstream all in the name of Capitalism!

[blazing quarry]

i wouldnt think paper community has any problem with forks of paper

[potent fossil]

Like fuck that, lol

[waxen panther]

airplane is opensource now tbf

[potent fossil]

Well that's new information

[blazing quarry]

oh yes i can understand that, closed source is ass

[nocturne agate]

No give comment on yatopia. I actually want to know.

[waxen panther]

it's been opensource for awhile

its paid support now afaik

[potent fossil]

Okay I retract my comments then I guess

My b

[waxen panther]

i cant say i like everyone in technove but paul is pretty funny

[blazing quarry]

do forks contribute back upstream?

[potent fossil]

Some do

[waxen panther]

mari 🥺

[potent fossil]

mari best mari

[minor badge]

@unreal quarry is very good at contributing back to us :)

[potent fossil]

billy is just a good boi in general

[worn ember]

marked as stale

[limpid comet]

in general? maybe

but never open up nsfw

[waxen panther]

then where is the flying squid patch in paper !!!!!#!!#

[minor badge]

we're not good at merging but nonetheless

[worn ember]

[blazing quarry]

i bet 1.17.1 will come out very quickly

[potent fossil]

This is .1

[worn ember]

its .0?

[blazing quarry]

last year they released 1.16 then 1.16.1

[potent fossil]

Oh do they start it at 0

Damn I'm not doing well today huh

[blazing quarry]

i believe so

they must be fixing the structure piece error soon enough

[nocturne agate]

minecraft 2 when?

[limpid comet]

don't put your hopes on that

i need a new funny emotr

will do

[blazing quarry]

also they managed to completely screw up the diamond generation in Bedrock edition

They accidentally put the 1.18 diamond generation on 1.17 where diamonds generate below 0

[potent fossil]

Eh shit happens

[blazing quarry]

and as a result diamonds are super rare

[limpid comet]

that's hilarious

[blazing quarry]

because only a tiny amount of diamonds are above 0

the rest is supposed to be underneath in the deep caves

[shell vine]

yea its free open source, just the custom profiler is $5 patreon thing

[potent fossil]

understood

[south sequoia]

Anyone else find great joy in watching the reactions in 1-17

[potent fossil]

nah

[south sequoia]

sucks

[warped goblet]

has anyone tried 1.18 datapacks on 1.17 server?

[potent fossil]

Some have.

[warped goblet]

well the results of it are rly weird but awesome

[potent fossil]

Just be aware, you won't be able to upgrade to 1.18

[warped goblet]

it's just for testing

[potent fossil]

Yep good good

[warped goblet]

but it looks rly awesome and weird at the same time on a server when you had 1.17 chunks loaded in and go to new chunks

[potent fossil]

I never really had great luck with it

I found a single cave, and it was not very magnificent

[warped goblet]

just a slice of new chunks

[ashen cliff]

Watch me.

[potent fossil]

I'm watching, Daddy!

[ashen cliff]

Good.

[plucky sparrow]

minecraft 2 eta?

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[meager tusk]

@ashen cliff Do you approve of this name?

[limber knot]

@plucky sparrow -8 years

[blazing quarry]

i wish minecraft structures were more exciting

[ashen cliff]

I do not.

[meager tusk]

Good. Making sure bro.

[blazing quarry]

dude they should make some huge sunken ship structures and not just tiny ships

how about a huge titanic-like sunken ship at the bottom of the ocean with air pockets inside that you can walk in

and there's a drowned spawner

[vast idol]

If they add any spawners itll probably be a vex just to piss us off lmao

[tame tangle]

OMG

I learned now that windows 11 leaked

very happy, paper 1.17 and windows 11

[plucky sparrow]

windogs 11

[tame tangle]

lol

I hope the new operating system is good, I'll only download it when it's official from ms

[meager tusk]

Yeah seriously

It looks ass

[tame tangle]

fuck? just having "11" makes everyone happy

[meager tusk]

They clearly didn't think about how they wanted to implement rounded corners IMO

[tame tangle]

I didn't find those things there, but I hope it gets MUCH better by the 24th

[meager tusk]

and also that new start icon is so bad

not sure what they were thinking there

[tame tangle]

stayed ridiculous, minimalism attacking everything

[meager tusk]

it isn't even minimalism

the current windows 10 start icon is minimalistic

idk what the fuck they're doing with the new one

[plucky sparrow]

Windows 11 aims for a good design but fails at implementing it

Why would they try copying macOS

[ashen cliff]

@twin lagoon BRO!

[plucky sparrow]

like nobody can copy macOS

[twin lagoon]

Bro.

[tame tangle]

the new is minimalism of minimalism, the fucking icon is "straight"

[plucky sparrow]

all companies fail at it

[magic mesa]

I kinda like the new windows

[twin lagoon]

KGBWindows11

i'm being very productive rn

[ashen cliff]

KGBHosting Official VAGON!: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272837181226352640/854728646799130675/RDT_20210616_1626056275411504708251759.jpg

Rate plis.

[tame tangle]

now ms earns billions with this system

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[wispy blade]

100/10 bro!

[meager tusk]

Bro.

What is that piece of shit bro.

[ashen cliff]

BRO!

We had to hide all the income somewhere.

[tame tangle]

this is not common in Brazil, I hope it's not there either

[meager tusk]

Bro..

https://static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/posts/2017/08/bd9958c07183625e3e03ee38a246b49f.jpg

[ashen cliff]

That's it bro!

[meager tusk]

This is what I'm talking about!

[shut nacelle]

ñ

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

At least link the real one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7t4C_0BZT4

[tame tangle]

if you were from Brazil you would love a car called "gol quadrado gti"

[ashen cliff]

STOCK DSG!

[shut nacelle]

[meager tusk]

Slowest golf 2 in Balkan

[shut nacelle]

[ashen cliff]

Fact!

[tame tangle]

here in Brazil there is only mk4 above, the others are RARE

[shut nacelle]

[ashen cliff]

MK4 with stolen transmissions?

[tame tangle]

the mk4 is called "sapão" here, very good by the way

[shut nacelle]

[ashen cliff]

Very good.

[waxen panther]

stop spaming emotes

[tame tangle]

is a car targeted by bandits, nowadays it is difficult to find a beautiful one. expensive maintenance.