general

[late atlas]

paper more valuable than bitcoin proof right there

[void void]

or it's your job

[wispy blade]

dude you get told the same unfunny joke 10 hours a day

how'd you enjoy that

[warm anchor]

idk about you but people who refused to read and think trolling is funny is the sad one

[swift root]

Tired of the toxic y'all just tired of the toxic

Saying things designed to make people uncomfortable is not cool

[potent panther]

I play minecraft

[void void]

whatever dude as long as i'm not someone like you i'm fine with whoever i am

[swift root]

Saying things designed to pick fights not cool

[mental meadow]

!kick @void void Don't insult people.

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked GalacticTrooper#1337 (Don't insult people.) [1 total infraction] -- aurora#4484.

[swift root]

Damn, going ez

[warm anchor]

I am just on my days off and dont feel like getting corona outside so I am home

[minor badge]

@warm anchor hi yellow

[warm anchor]

btw @mental meadow look I capture this earlier!!

[mental meadow]

People only here to insult others and pick fights are not welcome tbh, if they can't read the community guidelines I have no patience for them

Also I love that Eraser logs kicks with the door emoji

[warm anchor]

You were on my Home Screen @mental meadow

[mental meadow]

!!!!

That is epic

[wispy blade]

:ooo

[warm anchor]

@minor badge GOOD MORNING PROXI

[frank otter]

that's neat

[fathom plover]

Can we pls not get ETA in #❗-1-17 ? just updates are good ok?

[swift root]

What

[minor badge]

wat

[peak thistle]

? There is no eta

[mental meadow]

EterNity only 8 more followers and 3 more days of streaming till twitch affiliate

[frank otter]

wut

[peak thistle]

That’s literally what that channel is

[limber knot]

no ETA whatsoever

[fathom plover]

i mean the fake updates

[minor badge]

@warm anchor good night eternity !!!

[frank otter]

there's no eta, there are progress updates

[warm anchor]

time to pick up more shifts later

[swift root]

@minor badge good night mari

[blazing quarry]

What's the deal with seafood

[swift root]

[blazing quarry]

it tastes good

[wispy blade]

smells horrible though

[minor badge]

@swift root I'm not going to bed smh

[blazing quarry]

if there's one thing I love it's shrimp

[mental meadow]

We didn't publish those messages tho

[swift root]

Love the smell, love the taste

[fathom plover]

i keep thinking they got a new thing and then its this

[minor badge]

it's related to 1.17 so it's going there

[wispy blade]

that's why you read the messages

[warm anchor]

Those are commonly asked question since there are people out there that doesnt know what eta means. I think it's helpful!

[swift root]

EterNity isn't either? What is going on

[blazing quarry]

good frozen shrimp on ice. with garlic bread on the side. that's the perfect summer dinner

[minor badge]

so in the words of a great Larry at some point I'm sure, suck it

[warm anchor]

[fathom plover]

eta here yet?

[minor badge]

@warm anchor yellow asleep?

[warm anchor]

I actually just work up (again)

[minor badge]

[warm anchor]

I was up at 7 then went back to sleep

[blazing quarry]

I need to ask myself if there's an ETA on the next time I'm eating shrimps with garlic bread

it's soo good

[peak thistle]

That’s all on you

Could be 2 minutes

[blazing quarry]

I should have it tomorrow

[peak thistle]

Could be 20 years

[minor badge]

I'm sorry what on garlic bread

[blazing quarry]

I don't eat it on the bread I eat it on the side

[wispy blade]

you don't put stuff on garlic bread. cardinal sin 1

[peak thistle]

Cheese?

[minor badge]

[drowsy urchin]

https://twitter.com/kchirbas/status/997313242484625409?s=20 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

Kurt Chirbas (@kchirbas)

This box of ammo fell from a military helicopter, crashed through a roof, and landed in the middle of a classroom at Parkland Elementary in El Paso, TX, according to Ysleta ISD.

Fortunately, the incident happened at 3:45pm local - when all the kids had left. No injuries.

Twitter · May 18, 2018, 3:09 AM

[mental meadow]

the only thing you put on garlic bread is more garlic. Or herbs

[warm anchor]

one would say there must be garlic but I could be wrong!

[swift root]

Proclifo here just making controversial conversation

[cobalt stirrup]

yikes

[blazing quarry]

I eat some shrimp, then I eat some garlic bread. Not together

[spare karma]

this sounds like the most american thing ever

[minor badge]

[peak thistle]

Unfortunately, it is not

[spare karma]

ik

but like

[blazing quarry]

you don't put shrimp on the garlic bread, you eat one thing then the other

[spare karma]

if it was in america

i dont think anyone would be surprised

[peak thistle]

The most American thing recently would be what resulted in Texas getting frozen with no power

[minor badge]

when are you coming to Sweden for Nutella banana pizza though

[blazing quarry]

Oh my god

[peak thistle]

Imho

[spare karma]

the mayor dude fr went on a vacation

[wispy blade]

or come to NL for worstenbroodje pizza

[cunning raft]

feeling this entering#politics territory, continue there if you must

[blazing quarry]

How do you lose a box of ammo from a helicopter

[spare karma]

Lol

[peak thistle]

Not the mayor but yeah. Lol

[peak thistle]

Mmkay

[blazing quarry]

Is talking about history politics?

[peak thistle]

Could be

[blazing quarry]

uncontroversial history, not loaded

[cunning raft]

probably yeah

[peak thistle]

Is it political history? ;P

[cunning raft]

better safe than sorry to just keep it in #politics :p

[peak thistle]

I’d assume anything from the past century could be considered political, right? But things about Cleopatra, or even Napoleon, would be less political as they’re much farther back. That’s just my take tho

[blazing quarry]

okay i shared it there

[potent panther]

paper can go to the moon

https://youtu.be/AmFMJC45f1Q

[peak thistle]

Anything can go to the moon if you fold it enough times. 😜

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/xMiniDiggerx/status/1404504964110733320

MiniDigger | Martin (@xMiniDiggerx)

So apparently @PaperPowered is trending globally on github right now🤯
Close to 4k stars, add yours too! https://t.co/pVvUABB9s2

Twitter · Jun 14, 2021, 6:24 PM

[olive marlin]

Wtf?
Though not sure why, but I really wanna try it.

[vernal moth]

paper is on trending 😮

[cobalt stirrup]

😳

[blazing quarry]

wow nice

[terse marsh]

Guys I need an opinion.

Currently the requirements/mandatory things for my small server (6-8 players, my kids and their close friends) is to have a Creative zone where kids could build, then go Survival when they get bored. Also some NPCs that provide TPs to the "Creative/Survival border". Maybe I can also build a small Shop for basic stuff. All this can be achieved via Vanilla + datapacks (I already did most of these).

At the same time I can see that Spigot was really fast updating, also the plugins (GriefDefender, mcMMO, Citizens, AsyncWorldEdit, LuckPerms, ShopGUI+ and EssentialsX). So basically all plugins that I might need were updated in a matter of days.

Now here's the question: should I go

1. Spigot plus a small number of plugins in order to have some "wiggle space"
2. Vanilla in order to be ensure future compatibility

What do you think?

[swift root]

Pretty rad

[north crest]

im excited for paper 1.17!

[swift root]

U pretty rad

[blazing quarry]

I don't see how you can achieve that using vanilla server @terse marsh

[cobalt stirrup]

spigot might be the better option as vanilla will sometimes break things you do with datapacks

[kind island]

how hungry are the goblins?

[potent panther]

with datapcks villagers can trade tp books

[blazing quarry]

How do you add NPCs and separate creative/survival zones in vanilla?

[terse marsh]

Via datapacks.

[potent panther]

oh the creative and survival zones...

[blazing quarry]

oh i forgot about datapacks

[royal kernel]

I hope what when 1.17 comes out, i hope the plugins I use also updates, otherwise that would stink

[potent panther]

datapacks aren't that powerful to change worlds

[terse marsh]

Yeah, I already have zones + NPCs, I might be able to do the basic shop as well.

[potent panther]

make 2 servers for creative survival

the shop it can be villagers with custom command

[terse marsh]

Yeah, I don't need two separate worlds, I need a 300x300 creative zone

[terse marsh]

Exactly.

[potent panther]

oh ok

but the enderchest

[terse marsh]

https://mcstacker.net/npc/ & https://mcstacker.net/ basically do the datapacks for you.

[blazing quarry]

sounds fun, just a little playground area in the middle of a survival world

[terse marsh]

yup

[blazing quarry]

i don't think you'd need a tp to border if it's only 300x300 big

they can fly there in creative

[potent panther]

Razva but the enderchest you could put anything while on the creative zone and when you go to survival on your enderchest

and well infinite diamonds

[blazing quarry]

that's true

[terse marsh]

nope, because I set the zone to execute /clear on exit

[blazing quarry]

does /clear remove ender chest things?

[terse marsh]

so you can't move anything from creative on survival

[potent panther]

/clear doesn't work with ender chest i think

[terse marsh]

oh, I don't know? I'm not a MC player, I'm "the techy dad" 🙂

[potent panther]

this is an ender chest

[dreamy cradle]

wow

[blazing quarry]

even so, you'd be deleting all their items whenever they cross the border

[terse marsh]

ok, so can the kids create an ender chest in the Creative zone and access its contents outside the zone?

[blazing quarry]

so their progress in survival would be reset

[potent panther]

yes

ender chest is like a second inventory on a chest

the ender chest connect with each other

but only for you you cant get the ender chest of other

[terse marsh]

ouch. ok, how can they build an ender chest?

[blazing quarry]

i'm not sure how i can program a 300x300 area to have a separate inventory from the rest of the server

[terse marsh]

the idea is to force them not to cheat

[terse marsh]

you can't

[blazing quarry]

one Ender Eye and 8 obsidian. but in creative they can just spawn in the ender chest

[terse marsh]

got it. and on the other side in survival?

[potent panther]

yes they can

unless...

you make a datapack to delete the crafting!!!

[terse marsh]

if they build a "normal" chest in Survival, will it have the Ender Chest accessible "by default"?

[potent panther]

the ender chest is not like a normal chest

[terse marsh]

sure, I can do that, but that's not ideal

[potent panther]

you cant acces the ender chest on a chest

but you need to craft the ender chest

[dusty spruce]

500 server patches

[blazing quarry]

also imagine if they visit another player's house in Survival and borrow one of their items, then go back to creative world and the /clear command gets triggered. they would be deleting another player's item

[potent panther]

the ender chest is a different type os chest

[terse marsh]

it does /clear @p

[potent panther]

you could also use lava/cactus

[dusty spruce]

You do realize there is a plugin for multi world inventory?

[blazing quarry]

I mean if the kids take another player's item and brings it back to creative zone

[terse marsh]

ok, so about the Ender Chest, you craft it, you put stuff in it, cool. now, how do you access its contents?

[dusty spruce]

No need to clear players inventory when going to creative 🤔

[blazing quarry]

you open it

[dusty spruce]

Or

[potent panther]

with another ender chest

[dry tusk]

there’s two that i can think of

[potent panther]

ender chest are "connected chests"

[terse marsh]

ok so you need two, one on one side and one on another side, right?

[blazing quarry]

Thing about ender chest is the inventory is the same no matter which ender chest you open

[potent panther]

yes

[blazing quarry]

Ender chests are player-specific inventories. When you open an Ender Chest, you access your own personal Ender-inventory

[terse marsh]

ok, so if they make one in Creative you can't access its contents 'till you create one on the Survival zone

that's acceptable, because in order to create an ender chest you need quite a lot of things

[potent panther]

yes

[terse marsh]

how?

[blazing quarry]

sure if you can somehow disable access to ender chests in the creative zone

i guess that can work

[potent panther]

lava and cactus destroys items

[terse marsh]

yeah I could just disable ender chests in Creative and call it a day

[blazing quarry]

But let me ask you this: Can you throw items over the border?

[bleak anvil]

Think of the ender chest like an ATM machine.... you can only access things you put into it, but you can access it from any other ender chest.

[terse marsh]

uh oh....yes...you're right

snap. at some point they will think about throwing stuff over the border.

[potent panther]

obsidian is lava and water you mine it with diamond pickaxe and ender eye is a ender pearl (from endermans) and blaze powder from converting blaze rod to powder (blazes)

[cosmic wyvern]

You could try using a multiworld plugin

Seems easier

[blazing quarry]

Wait dude I got an idea

[terse marsh]

not in vanilla

[potent panther]

make command so that if items touch the border they dissapear

[cosmic wyvern]

Ah no my bad

[blazing quarry]

How about you separate the survival and creative border with a lava lake, and the only way to cross over is Ender pearling

then they cant throw items over

[cosmic wyvern]

Problem would be building

[potent panther]

to craft enderchest obsidian is lava and water you mine it with diamond pickaxe and ender eye is a ender pearl (from endermans) and blaze powder from converting blaze rod to powder (blazes)

[crystal compass]

why are people specifying him/he/her/she

[cosmic wyvern]

What if I build a bridge over the lava

[terse marsh]

or I can just create a 10 blocks wider zone and just disallow access to it, like a buffer zone between creative and survival

[cosmic wyvern]

That would work yes

[potent panther]

make a repeating /fill command

[blazing quarry]

maybe a small area between the survival and creative where no one can build

[terse marsh]

"offended"

[terse marsh]

yup

[potent panther]

good idea

[cosmic wyvern]

It depends how hard the players try you might want to build a wall in this zone aswell

[crystal compass]

with that logic my name should be "Sam(21,Male,Him,He,White)"

[cosmic wyvern]

Against tnt cannons etc.

[blazing quarry]

Haha that's hilarious, imagine your children making a massive TNT cannon just to destroy people's houses from a distance

Or a dispenser with fire charge, those things are practically endless

[potent panther]

@terse marsh https://www.sportskeeda.com/minecraft/how-to-make-ender-chest-minecraft

[cosmic wyvern]

Yeah or shooting people with a bow

That could work to steal loot

Shoot people

[blazing quarry]

lmao i love how we are just making up ways to break the server

[cosmic wyvern]

Go survivaltake the loot

[potent panther]

@terse marsh They could make also a nether portal in the creative zone go through the nether and make a new portal and appear on the survival

[frank otter]

Is mojang going to add a craft for a scoped crossbow with a spyglass

I'm not sure if they should but it would be cool

[terse marsh]

Believe it or not, yesterday I spoke with a male and I was asked to address him with "them" because he was identifying with multiple genders. I won't coment more than that.

[minor badge]

Because just like you specify your name, we would like to be referred to by our identities.

[cosmic wyvern]

This is a serious problem

[potent panther]

It's solved with command blocks also in the nether and end

[terse marsh]

as soon as they exit the creative zone /clear is executed

[cosmic wyvern]

Oh good

[blazing quarry]

The question is how smart are your kids and how much do they wanna break stuff

[cosmic wyvern]

So a bufferzone with a bedrock wall should work except for the enderchest part

[potent panther]

Razva but like if they touch the border or if they are not in range?

[terse marsh]

Oh that's the first thing they'll think about, how to workaround the limitations. 😄

[blazing quarry]

that sounds fun in itself even

[terse marsh]

what range?

[potent panther]

when they get out of the creative zone what do you use to put them in survival (what command)

[cosmic wyvern]

He means is the command executed when you touch the border or when not in that zone

[potent panther]

yes

[terse marsh]

gamemode

[cosmic wyvern]

Wehn is gamemode triggered

[potent panther]

gamemode @a[???]

[terse marsh]

execute positioned 0 40 0 if entity @e[type=minecraft:player, tag=!gamemode_creative, distance=..250] as @e[type=minecraft:player, tag=!gamemode_creative, distance=..250] run function playmc-zoneprotection:player/gamemode_creative

no, the player

[blazing quarry]

Here's an easy way to be destructive

1. Place down dispenser
2. Fill it with fire charges
3. Add two observers facing each other on the back
   ...and watch the fire charges go on for thousands of blocks

[terse marsh]

execute if entity @s[tag=!gamemode_creative] run gamemode creative @s
execute if entity @s[tag=!gamemode_creative] run clear @s
execute if entity @s[tag=!gamemode_creative] run tag @s add gamemode_creative

[potent panther]

Oh yes it's protected agaisnt nether travelling

[potent panther]

It is protected from nether travelling

But the ender chest

[terse marsh]

ok so I need to disable the ender chest

[blazing quarry]

are you limited to only one Minecraft server or do you have a VPS with root access? if so you can make a proxy with two separate servers

[cosmic wyvern]

So this works if you are to get a bufferzone, would recommend it making some larger indeed like 10 but I would recommend a bedrock (undestroyable) wall from level 0 to 256 all around it against anything with larger range

[vast peak]

That would be cracked ngl

[cosmic wyvern]

except the enderchest though

[potent panther]

found this plugin to add clear enderchest command but its not vanilla

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/clearenderchest

[blazing quarry]

i think he wants to not use plugins

[potent panther]

yes

[cosmic wyvern]

yes its vanilla

no

I think theres another possiblitiy

there is a vanilla command which is quite similar to worldedit

[potent panther]

replaceitem!!!!!!11

replace item on ender chest

[cosmic wyvern]

you could use a repeating command block spam this meaning they cant use a enderchest

because when build it would be removed

for example by replacing it with air

[terse marsh]

it's fill I guess?

[cosmic wyvern]

I believe so yes

It should be possible to target only enderchests

[twin lagoon]

@peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge @peak dirge
EDIT FALSE ALARM CITYMONSTRET DUM

 Could not HEAD 'https://repo.velocitypowered.com/releases/com/velocitypowered/velocity-brigadier/1.0.0-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml'.
               > The server may not support the client's requested TLS protocol versions: (TLSv1.2, TLSv1.3). You may need to configure the client to allow other protocols to be used. 

halp pls fix

thx

[royal kernel]

Hi Michael

[twin lagoon]

@heady spear is MAD and FUMING

[blazing quarry]

wow that's a lot of pings

[cosmic wyvern]

anyone to recommend me a free antivirus which works without paying

[heady spear]

urgente

[cosmic wyvern]

AVG doesnt detect it but I got adware again

[graceful wyvern]

urganto!

[mental meadow]

Windows Defender

[heady spear]

I am crying

[mental meadow]

not even joking

[heady spear]

on the floor 😦

[twin lagoon]

I am dying

[heady spear]

good

[twin lagoon]

wtf

[wispy blade]

wtf

[brave radish]

Wait why are we talking about putting /fill in a repeating command block?

this doesn't sound good

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[cosmic wyvern]

someone wants to make ''seperate'' servers within 1 vanilla

1 creative and 1 survival

enderchests would make it possible to transfer items

cheesing survival progress

[wispy blade]

tip: don't use vanilla to host your server

[cosmic wyvern]

oh I dont have adware I think

[potent panther]

@terse marsh this commands will clear the ender chest
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.0 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.1 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.2 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.3 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.4 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.5 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.6 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.7 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.8 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.9 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.10 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.11 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.12 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.13 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.14 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.15 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.16 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.17 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.18 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.19 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.20 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.21 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.22 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.23 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.24 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.25 air
replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.26 air

[ashen cliff]

Already done bro.

[cosmic wyvern]

Windows is the adware I believe

stupid update

[royal kernel]

does do not disturb stop only @pings or does it also stop dm pings?

[blazing quarry]

idk i'd probably just use Paper and if they ever drop support try to develop something with datapacks

[cosmic wyvern]

both

also calls

[wispy blade]

can i try it, bro?

or do i need to be a member of KGBForums

[cosmic wyvern]

so how do I disable this annoying weather thingie from windows?

[ashen cliff]

Sorry bro. Only for KGB staff.

[potent panther]

@terse marsh on 1.17 replacitem will change to item raplce is the same

[wispy blade]

we'll just pretend i'm KGB staff bro

[blazing quarry]

he wants to use vanilla because it supports him for the future but paper still has lots of support

[royal kernel]

The KGB secretly has spyware in all minecraft servers

[cosmic wyvern]

yes fill should work

fill I believe spammed against enderchests within the creative zone

[wispy blade]

it's called AuthMe omegalul

[blazing quarry]

i would just use paper for now and cross the vanilla bridge if you need in the future

[brave radish]

Then you are aware Mojang often doesn't patch exploits or waits to patch them until the next update when Paper does not and patches them instantly instead?

[cosmic wyvern]

place the command blocks within the no tresspassing zone

[blazing quarry]

it's not dangerous to downgrade from paper to vanilla

[heady spear]

@twin lagoon still broken I blame you

fix it

[blazing quarry]

if you need to do it in the future

[cosmic wyvern]

paper doesnt have 1.17 though which is sad

still updating

wait why were we discussing vanilla in the paper discord server? 😂

[mental meadow]

I mean you can use Paper on 1.17 already. But it probably does have quite a lot of the paper stuff missing

[cosmic wyvern]

sadly this isnt possible for me

I run my server on aternos

They do not support uploading thus I will have to wait for the official release

[brave radish]

Just us ViaVersion; it's not like there's that much new stuff in 1.17 anyway

[mental meadow]

yes

[wispy blade]

i love axolotl

[brave radish]

axoltl are cute but they can wait a bit longer

[ashen cliff]

I have the worlds best idea.

Does Aternos support PAPI?

[native wolf]

Well it should

[void void]

[blazing quarry]

isnt PAPI just a plugin

[native wolf]

Yeah

[ashen cliff]

Well yes, but Aternos has a curated list of plugins you can install.

[cosmic wyvern]

let me check

[blazing quarry]

well i cant imagine any server host limiting-

never mind

[ashen cliff]

eCloud is unregulated AF. Just make a module thing, that allows you to download jars. Since you know Java can do that.

[cosmic wyvern]

it does

[cosmic wyvern]

aternos doesnt try and limit anything

[brave radish]

probably because of the people like me who use plugins to touch files you're not supposed to

[cosmic wyvern]

it would be possible though to make ''plugins'' that run the server forever

[smoky sage]

does this server have a goblin pit ?

[ashen cliff]

It does now.

[smoky sage]

neat

[cosmic wyvern]

so you can ask plugins to be accepted but it does not allow your own

[wispy blade]

you can just upload files right

[native wolf]

No

[blazing quarry]

well that sounds pretty limited

[native wolf]

You can upload only worlds on Aternos

[blazing quarry]

idk sounds like aternos is limiting a lot of stuff to me

[cosmic wyvern]

its free so yes

[native wolf]

It's a free host bruh

[potent fossil]

You get what you pay for.

[blazing quarry]

oh it's free

[potent fossil]

If you pay nothing, expect to be limited.

[cosmic wyvern]

honestly theyre a great server host for free

they only run on ads too

[modern steppe]

almost nothing by nothing

[cosmic wyvern]

no premium possible

[void void]

I've heard of aternos some of my friends use it

[cosmic wyvern]

its out far the best free host

[blazing quarry]

do you need to renew it every 24 hours too?

[native wolf]

Aternos is only great for playing with friends and things like that imo

[cosmic wyvern]

no, when someone plays its on

goes off when noone plays for like 6 minutes

but you can allow other peoples aternos account to turn the server on

[ashen cliff]

So, who is going to make a eCloud bash/shell addon?

[cosmic wyvern]

and then choose permissions so they cannot abuse this

[blazing quarry]

so the server turns itself on when players try to log in?

[cosmic wyvern]

you have to turn it on

[blazing quarry]

oh lol

[cosmic wyvern]

you then get like 6 mins to join

[native wolf]

And it has a queue

[cosmic wyvern]

if you were to play it would be forever on

[void void]

You could make a plugin that makes a bot to keep the server on 24/7

[potent fossil]

For what Aternos is, it's a fantastic product.

[cosmic wyvern]

does not happen often though and is fast

[modern steppe]

basically aternos total garbage if you have white ip

[cosmic wyvern]

exactly thats why you are not allowed to upload

[void void]

Oof

[cosmic wyvern]

plugins* you can upload worlds

[potent fossil]

You could do that without a plugin but I'm sure they check.

[native wolf]

And only worlds

[void void]

You could make a pc just to keep the server up lol

[cosmic wyvern]

yeah true but then a premium host is cheaper

[native wolf]

They reset the idle timeout

[cosmic wyvern]

so why bother

[void void]

Radmin VPN is a thing too

[cosmic wyvern]

you could workaround that with autoclicker I believe

[ashen cliff]

Mineflayer.

[cosmic wyvern]

otherwise autowalking isnt hard aswell

[potent fossil]

Just make a bot with mineflayer that walks around and breaks blocks then fixes it.

Lol.

Done.

[cosmic wyvern]

yes

but elictricity costs

probably are more then a premium host

[native wolf]

Also they auto restart your server if it's up for some time

[ashen cliff]

https://github.com/Frigusas/aternos-keepalive

[potent fossil]

At that point tho, you better just host a damn server

[potent fossil]

Jesus that is some callback hell.

[cosmic wyvern]

yeah

like sure you can

[void void]

I've heard apex hosting is getting pretty big

[cosmic wyvern]

but its cheaper to even pay premium hosts

[wispy blade]

just host it locally if you don't need it to be up all the time

[modern steppe]

linux server for minecraf is really cheap if friends arent bastards and gonna help you with money for it

[potent fossil]

That is correct.

[native wolf]

Aternos is not worth the effort, it's made for playing with friends not a public server bruh

[potent fossil]

That is also correct.

[cosmic wyvern]

yes

[blazing quarry]

i pay $60 a month for a vps on server.pro

[potent fossil]

you WHAT

[cosmic wyvern]

this is why aternos is usefull

60$ discount and only 90% less of content

[potent fossil]

@blazing quarry You are being actively scammed

[native wolf]

server.pro is oversold to all hell

[blazing quarry]

Oh really

[modern steppe]

we dont know specs

hol up

[potent fossil]

VPS.

[modern steppe]

oooh

[potent fossil]

We know enough.

[modern steppe]

lmao

[left swift]

Hi swimple

[modern steppe]

not vds lol cringe

[native wolf]

They are using AMD Epyc

[blazing quarry]

4 vCores
12 GB Memory
180 GB Disk
150 / 150 Mbps Net

[void void]

I had this one friend that was trying to host a public server on it later I found out he was 11

[modern steppe]

lmao

[potent fossil]

I'm paying $30 a month for a dedi that is at least 3 times more powerful than that

[blazing quarry]

Oh really

Where?

[potent fossil]

Hetzner, but I don't use it for Minecraft.

[mental meadow]

I pay 40€ a month for my dedicated server with an i7 4700k, 16GB Ram, 250GB nvme SDD

[potent fossil]

Probably would not run well.

[wispy blade]

me, paying nothing for a dedi pc i still had B)

[potent fossil]

But, just so you know.

[void void]

I pay 20 dollars a month for 8gbs of ram and 40gbs storage

[worn ember]

insert i pay template here

[potent fossil]

@blazing quarry https://www.soyoustart.com/us/game-servers/

$41.99 for better specs than you have now, dedicated.

[native wolf]

If you want to host a small server you can use Birdflop, it's a nice host. They don't oversell and performance is really good.

There are some others like bloom and dedicatedmc

[potent fossil]

bloom and dedicatedmc are also great

no idea about that bird one

[shell vine]

[potent fossil]

Yeah I choked

Like, actually

[blazing quarry]

thank you for telling me about these options

[void void]

I use SMC Server Solutions to host my server

[potent fossil]

Never heard of them.

But, if they're good then cool.

[void void]

There support is really great

[main sorrel]

i spit out my gatorade

[shell vine]

honestly i cant eat ovh's ass enough theyre the best

[native wolf]

server.pro is literal garbage, stay away from them

[void void]

Why?

[modern steppe]

3x price tag

[void void]

Oof

[potent fossil]

The last time I seriously looked into them (years ago), they were oversold to shit

You'd buy 4gb ram sure, you would not get it. Lol

[modern steppe]

mental ram

[native wolf]

They still are lol

[void void]

Has anyone tried summer hosting? Or has them for there current hoster

[potent fossil]

Your swap would basically be on fire

[amber frost]

yea

[potent fossil]

a summer host literally called "summer hosting"

literally no creativity anymore

they don't hide it

[void void]

Lol

[feral nebula]

anyone know what mob cap gaurdians count as

[amber frost]

i contacted them saying i was gonna quit because they were slow and they give me 3 free months

[potent fossil]

Yea cause they won't exist in 3 months.

Not a big deal for them.

[brave radish]

Monster I believe

[modern steppe]

pog

[amber frost]

true true

[blazing quarry]

They take automatic backups every day but don't allow you to restore a backup while a new backup is being created. My server has a big storage so it takes 20 hours to create a backup. That means I have a 4 hour window to restore a backup before a new one starts being made

[void void]

There were my old hoster they wouldn't stop changing There prices snd when they stopped it was to much for someone under the age of 15 so I moved to SMC Server Solutions

[potent fossil]

That's literally what a summerhost is.

They all pop up in June, and die in August.

Right when school ends and starts.

[modern steppe]

server pro?

[blazing quarry]

Yeah

[modern steppe]

hetzner has like holy crap amazing backup system

[void void]

SAME it was annoying

[worthy spruce]

Try easyminecrafthosting if you want good quality and price. I know that is a new name for you but is one of the best options you can find. Maybe the only issue you can have is that is mainly in spanish but the nodes are in miami and canada

[amber frost]

pebblehost are really good

[blazing quarry]

I need one with root access, preferably VPS

or dedi

[coarse lily]

Is that your host?

[shell vine]

https://www.soyoustart.com/us/game-servers/

[modern steppe]

i really like minecraft1337hostong247.com.xyz host, they only take x$ for y GB

[shell vine]

FORTY TWO DOLLA

[brave radish]

https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/how-to-set-up-and-run-a-really-powerful-free-minecraft-server-in-the-cloud
If you know how to manage a server yourself, here

[potent fossil]

yea, can we just, stick to already well known hosts if we're gonna recommend stuff

the summerhosts are not good recommendations

[worthy spruce]

Yes. they are very serious

[potent fossil]

I just joined that server and you have a rank so chill.

[coarse lily]

No, I meant do you work there?

[potent fossil]

Are they paying you to do word of mouth advertisement like they're paying you to make videos

He doesn't, he's a Youtuber in their server.

[amber frost]

u dont need much RAM anyway

[void void]

If anyone else had a bad experience with summerhosting mind sharing?

[worthy spruce]

No, but I know them very well. more than 1 year with them

[amber frost]

just get heap limiter and paper plugins to minimise memory use

[worthy spruce]

Before them i used Heavynode, Gtxgaming

[void void]

Well I already have a hoster and it's fine

[dreamy cradle]

A M O G U S

[wispy blade]

idk, i'm fine with hosting it myself

[amber frost]

run it off ur own pc if ur alpha enough

[native wolf]

Heavynode is also a good host

[blazing quarry]

wait is the solution in the Oracle link for hosting on your own computer or an outside server?

[potent fossil]

Server.

[blazing quarry]

Oh cool

why am i not just doing that lmao

[void void]

Summerhosting got into so much debt lol they had a free hosting option they had to remove it because they were losing to much money

[blazing quarry]

it's free forever with 24 gb of ram jesus

[potent fossil]

But it's a VPS. Even with 24gb ram don't expect many players on that CPU.

[blazing quarry]

what's the catch

[potent fossil]

10-20.

Nothing. They want you to use their cloud platform.

[amber frost]

£1 a month on pebblehost

[blazing quarry]

haha like i will ever have more than 20 players

[potent fossil]

One VPS w/ 4 cores and 24gb ram is not shit to them if it's possible they will hook you on a contract for other services

Calculated risk.

[native wolf]

Pebble is i believe the most oversold hosting

[blazing quarry]

It probably works too

[amber frost]

oh nooo

[native wolf]

Wait what?

[amber frost]

not my minecraft server

[shell vine]

inject microchips into the bloodstream too prob

[blazing quarry]

I have three servers and one proxy, so I could split the ram 6+6+6+1 or something

[amber frost]

oh nooo they are going to hack my minecraft server

their going to sell my ip on the dark web

[potent fossil]

Yes you could do that paperlover.

[blazing quarry]

nevertheless it's better than the PAID deal i have today with 12 gb of ram on a VPS

[main sorrel]

I'm hosting my server for free with credit i have with Azure

[blazing quarry]

does it say anything about storage space?

[lyric hinge]

Hey - we've always shown our public node statistics at https://status.pebblehost.com however you're right that in the past sometimes performance has slipped a little, we've been working recently on improving the performance side of things and hopefully that should be a good improvement for our customers 😄

With regard to the:

Pebble uses custom jars injecting own timings for example, you never know what else they inject. Maybe they backdoor your server? Nobody knows

There is no "backdoor" installed in the server, although that would be a pointless concept anyway as when running a Minecraft server with any hosting provider, that hosting provider implicitly has access to all server files anyway, a "frontdoor" if you will - not that we (PebbleHost) or any other major hosts I'm aware of would ever abuse that access

[nova hatch]

i mean u would have to keep the host 24 7 to keep this alive

so it would not be worth it

just host ur own server

[amber frost]

pebble goated

[potent fossil]

Don't speak for others lol, if you want the source then say you want the source. The Paper team didn't ask for the source, so don't drag them into the drama you guys are creating.

[ashen cliff]

Yes, but no. You could use something as simple as an old phone to keep up a much more powerful server.

[potent fossil]

Okay, then, that was a really useful comment

[nova hatch]

what drama

[potent fossil]

What

[nova hatch]

then jus thost it ur own if u can use own phone

[brave radish]

"host bad"
"host not bad"
"host hackers"
"host not hackers"
typical host drama

[nova hatch]

LAMFO

[novel scaffold]

aren't timings Java runtime and not the code itself

[potent fossil]

Uh, yes...no?

[worn ember]

[lyric hinge]

It has a Java backend for creating the data, and a React frontend for displaying it

[amber frost]

i dont speak java

[potent fossil]

Also, I'm not stirring up anything. But the Paper team is not the one who 1) called out pebble, 2) said they backdoor with custom timings, and 3) pinged them and demanded the source

You did.

So, Ok

[worn ember]

🍿

[novel scaffold]

this is fun to watch

[potent fossil]

Everything, and I do mean everything, went better than expected.

[ashen cliff]

No.

[mental meadow]

😄

[novel scaffold]

did they really block them?

[true canyon]

Oooh, did I come back to some drama I can use my hammer for? 🍿

[potent fossil]

Nah

[limber knot]

phoenix616: You use overviewer, right? Or do I remember wrong?

[true canyon]

[potent fossil]

Was kinda low tier

[brave radish]

no hammer needed mbax. Just sanity serum

[minor badge]

helo mbax

[blazing quarry]

no they just told me about better server hosting options

[true canyon]

[blazing quarry]

it's great

[novel scaffold]

and jtop here is being funny

[true canyon]

Didn't know Discord let you block yourself! 🤔

[minor badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-shades-on-gif-20056963

[potent fossil]

I've haven't slept in 14 hours now, and I really want an energy drink

[true canyon]

🤣

[potent fossil]

But also, driving is probably bad when sleep deprived

[blazing quarry]

I made everyone choke on their airplane-boiled tea when I told them how much I pay for my server

[potent fossil]

mbax u go gib me energy drink plz?

[novel scaffold]

Good to know Jtop managed to block themself

[amber frost]

anyone else scared their minecraft servers gonna get hacked

[true canyon]

I have some snapple iced tea, come and get it

[potent fossil]

I ACCEPT

[cobalt stirrup]

nah

[amber frost]

its literally a minecraft server

[cobalt stirrup]

good password security is a must

[lyric hinge]

It's reasonably simple to keep your server safe

[novel scaffold]

not really, unless im an idiot with perms or set my server to offline

[limber knot]

I found it has an undocumented regions.js as well as found some other random snippet with laflet.js to generate region on the map.

But I can't get it to work and, well, there's no documentation.

[lyric hinge]

a) Use 2FA and good passwords
b) Don't download plugins that people send you on Discord
c) Don't download plugins from Blackspigot
d) Don't download plugins below a few thousand downloads on Spigot

Do that and you're sorted @amber frost 😄

[dull linden]

Rat

[amber frost]

was all sarcasm lad

[lyric hinge]

Oh and make sure your Bungeecord backends are bound to localhost

[mental meadow]

I love that the weird Spigot Virus checker thingy people use reports EVERYTHING as an exploit

[brave radish]

Only download plugins from Hangar. Then you won't get a virus

[lyric hinge]

And oops, r/woooosh

[mental meadow]

[AntiMalware] [13:54:15] [DETECTED]: File: plugins/BungeePerms-4.0-dev-131.jar MIGHT be infected with Spigot.MALWARE.SystemAccess.Process Class Path: com/mysql/

I love that

[lyric hinge]

MIGHT

We're not quite sure

But maybe

It uses mysql so seems pretty dodgy

[ancient bolt]

what the hell

[novel scaffold]

agree

[blazing quarry]

BungeePerms might be infected with Spigot

[amber frost]

from table get virus

[novel scaffold]

hmmmmm

[cobalt stirrup]

not the hacking program known as mysql 😭

[ancient bolt]

MALWARE

[blazing quarry]

It's over. Your server has been infected with Spigot

[minor badge]

tbf that's not the dumbest thing, but it should be clearer about what that means tbh

[wispy blade]

just put them through virustotal

ez

[novel scaffold]

man i hate it when my bungeeperms might be infected with spigot

[cunning raft]

guess who made it

:>

[mossy vessel]

VelocityPerms wen

[cosmic raft]

I found @quasi valley favourite store

[cunning raft]

did you guess yatopia dev

[mental meadow]

UPDATE virus SET active = true WHERE BungeePerms

[potent panther]

corona?

[mental meadow]

kashike buy me presents pls!!

[ancient bolt]

maybe we could build a "plugin report" thing in hangar which shows which packages are in the plugin and which external packages the plugin access, would take some time to build but it could be a pretty useful tool for people to see potentially

[potent fossil]

I'll help, I'm probably too stupid to help but I'll help

[blazing quarry]

ok, i know i should change to a better server host. i just have to get past the learning curve, because server.pro has an interface that allows me to create everything with a simple click

[ashen cliff]

Add a CI with Sonar.

[potent fossil]

If you like the interface, then go to dedicatedmc or bloomhost.

[blazing quarry]

so i've never had to learn console stuff

[lost trail]

emotional support

[potent fossil]

(or pebble)

But if you like the dedi deal then it's worth it

[blazing quarry]

how hard can linux be

[potent fossil]

https://linuxjourney.com

That should help

oh jesus

[blazing quarry]

not ava

oh

[brave radish]

simple leave it

it's accurate
EDIT: oh you fixed it alreaddy

[potent fossil]

Huh

[novel scaffold]

jtop was honestly funny to watch

[potent fossil]

Oh, lol

@novel scaffold just drop it :p

[cobalt stirrup]

https://linuxjourney.com/

[potent fossil]

yea i typo'd

good stuff on there tho

[novel scaffold]

how do you get that testbuildnotification role

[potent fossil]

You can't right now, as there are no test builds yet

Check back later

[blazing quarry]

ok so i make a VM in the oracle cloud

[potent fossil]

Yeah follow that guide though, you need to make sure it is "Always-Free".

If it doesn't say that you're going to get billed

[blazing quarry]

if i dont give them my credit card number

[potent fossil]

I mean yea, I'm not sure if they'd let you create a paid resource w/o billing info. Doubtful. So probably safe.

But if they do let you, then you'd still get invoiced regardless

[novel scaffold]

what timings would you recommend?

[potent fossil]

Just check the page and make sure it says Always-Free before you click create and you will be fine

[blazing quarry]

from a marketing standpoint it doesnt sound smart to require credit card info for free services. that puts a lot of people off

[wispy blade]

true

[potent fossil]

Yeah but they're not targeting that crowd.

[olive marlin]

It makes it easier for people to buy more stuff.

[buoyant pier]

gIvE eTa nOw

lol

[potent fossil]

They're targeting companies who need extensive cloud infrastructure.

[blazing quarry]

alright i'll be careful

[potent fossil]

The small fish making minecraft servers are not on their radar.

[wispy blade]

bye _a

[olive marlin]

!kick @buoyant pier ETA for kick - NOW

[void void]

Does anyone have a dog or a cat?

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked Duck#7352 (ETA for kick - NOW) [1 total infraction] -- Prof_Bloodstone#0123.

[potent fossil]

I had a dog.

[tender swift]

welll they also don't want to be busy with trying to get the bill paid in any way possible

[blazing quarry]

hell if my server grows i might just buy better hardware from them in the future

[potent fossil]

@tender swift They have infra for that, there is not a person tracking people down

[late atlas]

i have a cat, 3 snakes, 1 barn owl, 1 bearded dragon and 1 harris hawk

[potent fossil]

If you don't pay you'll just get sent to collections and have fun with that phone call spam.

[twin lagoon]

simple

[potent fossil]

It'll stop in 7 years.

[molten parrot]

@olive marlin hey

[tender swift]

bop

[wispy blade]

imagine doing it unironically

[potent fossil]

[wispy blade]

i nominate simple 4 mod

[potent fossil]

I don't

I'd be a horrible mod

[mental meadow]

I nominate simple for cutie to hug me

[wispy blade]

you can't nominate yourself dummy

[blazing quarry]

these racists at oracle dont have Scandinavia as a "region" to choose from

[novel scaffold]

I use an extra PC i have for my server and while it runs well, i have to give my IP, which isn't as goood

[potent fossil]

There would be tyranny which none of you have ever experienced

You'd all be banned

It'd just be me and aurora in here.

[mental meadow]

Perfect

[wispy blade]

it's called a Direct Message

[main sorrel]

you could use dynamic dns

[potent fossil]

I'd use my mod powers to make the PaperMC Server a direct message.

[wispy blade]

doubt

[potent fossil]

Okay I'm getting spam called by random numbers rn

[potent panther]

yes use a ddns like no-ip

[blazing quarry]

Oh, they do require credit card

[potent fossil]

@merry talon Sir you didn't happen to sign my god damn number up with a shitload of spam services did you

[olive marlin]

Hi

[lyric hinge]

That deosn't hide your source IP

[twin lagoon]

he asked for an ETA before he editted it

[potent panther]

no-ip doesnt need credit card but it will end you like on somethin like ddns.net

[lyric hinge]

Not that somebody having your IP is a huge issue - the worst they can do is find your approximate location

[potent panther]

true

[lyric hinge]

TCPShield is the best option if you do wish to hide your source IP & have some DDOS Protection too

[potent fossil]

Or boot your poor consumer hardware right offline.

[wispy blade]

might sign up for free cloudflare who knows

[potent panther]

you'll also know their ips of who enters

[potent fossil]

[blazing quarry]

I wonder if I just use the credit card number that expires this month

then I can't be charged regardless

[potent fossil]

Are they requiring payment info?

[blazing quarry]

And I'll keep my account going

Yes

[potent fossil]

I don't remember if I put any billing details in

Must've

Ye just make sure it says Always-Free

Are you in the US by chance

[blazing quarry]

it doesn't matter, that card expires this month so they cant really charge anything with it

no i'm in Norway

[potent fossil]

ah ok

There is a service in the US called Privacy, I would bet there is one in Norway too. Virtual credit cards. You link your bank and make a virtual credit card, and set a max spend limit. You could just set it to a $1 and the payment would not authorize if they tried to charge you

[blazing quarry]

It does say "You won't be charged unless you elect to upgrade the account"

[potent fossil]

But, err, ye

[brave radish]

You do get charged $1

[lyric hinge]

Revolut is a similar one in the UK and (I think) Europe

[brave radish]

they just refund it

[potent panther]

get a 100% free ddns like no-ip

[potent fossil]

Well, yea, that is true. But same idea.

[potent panther]

will not ask credit card

[brave radish]

They're not talking about DDNS services @potent panther

[potent panther]

ok

[blazing quarry]

I already own a domain name

[novel scaffold]

im small enough where i couldn't care about having a domain, i technically already have one, it's just way longer than the IP

[olive marlin]

I think Revolut split after Brexit - there's separate for UK and for EU?

[novel scaffold]

and i only play with like 3 or 4 people outside my house

[olive marlin]

But yeah, it seems to work around here.

[blazing quarry]

that's really nice of oracle to give me a free server

what kind people!

[wispy blade]

yo odd

[rustic valve]

Yes! I get my goblin feed again!

[potent fossil]

Don't expect it to be anything super special, but yea. It is nice.

[blazing quarry]

they must really care about me!

[potent fossil]

Like I said, it's not out of kindness. They want to hook customers into contracts. It's a fantastic strategy

[rustic valve]

[wispy blade]

SUATMM

[worn ember]

[blazing quarry]

Alright, says my account is still being set up

[rustic valve]

[potent fossil]

what does this mean

[wispy blade]

shut up and take my money

[potent fossil]

Ah yes

[wispy blade]

i played so much tetris on my calculator today 👀

battery's so low a

[blazing quarry]

i still can't see anything about storage space

[rustic valve]

Just chonk it full of stuff until you can't throw more into it, then check how many 1Gb files you've uploaded. That'll tell ya

[limber knot]

prof_bloodstone: I do

[flat shale]

quick question re: 1.17, what type of goblins will we be fed to when asking about an ETA?

[worn ember]

hah my calculator works on sunlight

no sun, no calculating

[blazing quarry]

i'll just ask the oracle live chat

[limber knot]

phoenix616: Did you try adding the regions I mentioned?

I can't get it to work, there's no documentation at all and the example I found doesn't seem to work :/

[wispy blade]

hah, that's not a TI-84 then

[potent fossil]

Hungry ones.

[worn ember]

true, it also doesnt play tetris

[limber knot]

prof_bloodstone: regions?

[flat shale]

hmm, i don't want the goblins to get hungry...

[limber knot]

oh I see, no idea

[wispy blade]

the goblins in this case is just simple

[limber knot]

phoenix616: you can add regions like WB

Oh, rip

tried that a couple years ago before their move to leaflet (when they used google maps) and couldn't get it working

[wispy blade]

and maybe the entirety of the mod team 👀

[blazing quarry]

I always get nervous when I type in live chat services, because I know they can sometimes read my messages before I hit send

[vast idol]

10 mins outside in texas and my phone overheats XD

[limber knot]

don't use shitty live chat services

[blazing quarry]

They did that on Apexhosting. They can see what I'm writing before I send, so they already have prepared an answer for me

[worn ember]

dont worry, i can read your messages before you even type them

[blazing quarry]

it's almost creepy

I asked them how did you reply so fast and they said they can see what I'm typing

[worn ember]

lmao at least they're honest

[limber knot]

phoenix616: I tried both injecting leaflet code to overviewer.js as well as using the regions.js: https://paste.gg/p/prof_bloodstone/33d8bfd3357a4337b9568411549d77f6

Sucks, but I guess I'll have to live without it.

well their signs or whatever it's called internally work

[blazing quarry]

Apparently I get 200 GB on the Always Free service. that's pretty decent

[limber knot]

I use it for warp indication and also have a script for player positions

I would assume their other stuff also works somehow

[radiant snow]

What’s the eta?

[limber knot]

but I know that their docs either don't exist or are outdated :S

[blazing quarry]

eta for what?

[radiant snow]

1.17

[blazing quarry]

ETA for you getting banned? oooooh sick burn

[rustic valve]

Me! I desire feed!

[limber knot]

Minecraft 1.17 is already out, just use it

[olive marlin]

!kick @radiant snow ETA for a kick - now

[wispy blade]

i feel a !bam incoming

[limber knot]

runs

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked AS10#6969 (ETA for a kick - now) [1 total infraction] -- Prof_Bloodstone#0123.

[wispy blade]

there it is

prof wit da speed

[blazing quarry]

what's the ETA for the next person to ask for ETA and get banned

[rustic valve]

mmmm
My goblin feed

30 seconds

[flat shale]

can i be fed to the goblins without getting kicked?

[vernal moth]

do we really dont have any other topics today?

its so boring

[minor badge]

hi mini

[potent fossil]

Do you prefer the recommendations of various summerhosts by random people who never talk except update time?

[minor badge]

how was work

[blazing quarry]

yeah sorry i've been hogging the chat with me setting up the server

[potent fossil]

I can accommodate Mini

[ashen cliff]

We can talk about how you took away someones table today.... again.

[worn ember]

we can talk about the holy RTP if you like

[wispy blade]

accommodate where 🤔

[potent fossil]

Anywhere and everywhere, any time.

I love Mini

[mental meadow]

https://twitter.com/lennaert89/status/1404012558986719232?s=19 @twin lagoon 😂

Lennaert (@lennaert89)

Yay yet another one.

Retweets

475

Likes

3334

Twitter · Jun 13, 2021, 9:47 AM

[wispy blade]

gg

[blazing quarry]

do you need more than 1 gb on a proxy

[worn ember]

i have one for covid lol
"All i got during lockdown was this tshirt, and pretty fat"

[wispy blade]

just use 512M, really all you need

[twin lagoon]

[wispy blade]

imagine getting fat

[blazing quarry]

oh but velocity says 1g is recommended

[lyric hinge]

No. Especially not with Velocity

[worn ember]

cuz mari is nub

[lyric hinge]

Bungeecord, sometimes depending on your plugins it's needed

Velocity, no

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/xMiniDiggerx/status/1404422201982525447

MiniDigger | Martin (@xMiniDiggerx)

If you thought you had a bad monday: somebody at work just flicked the wrong switch and shut down power to our datacenter. Oops.

Twitter · Jun 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

[olive marlin]

One place of docs in Velocity says 1GB, another 512MB and a different says 256MB

[lyric hinge]

Not unless you're plugging like 400-500 players through it

[worn ember]

consistency is key

[minor badge]

that sounds like a lot of fun

[blazing quarry]

Oh okay thanks for the help

[vernal moth]

it indeed was!

[minor badge]

move to aws

[rustic valve]

Also, brainwashed by the Swedes. Don't forget that

[vernal moth]

technically am still on call

[worn ember]

the question is, why is that button next to the other button

[wispy blade]

thinking of making a load balancer plugin for waterfall, cuz it seems useful

[worn ember]

do it

[blazing quarry]

this place has been more helpful than Admincraft has ever been i think

which is the usual place to discuss servers lol

[worn ember]

admincraft

[minor badge]

https://tenor.com/view/kungen-swedish-king-carl-xvi-gustaf-of-sweden-nee-jag-tror-faktiskt-inte-det-i-dont-actually-think-so-gif-16696756

[rustic valve]

The question is, why is the power button not labelled better

[wispy blade]

gonna write down some ideas of how im gonna do it and maybe read some api docs 👀 cya in tmr with 4 hrs of sleep

[vernal moth]

idk wtf they did

[olive marlin]

Reminds me of our client's DC technician who, instead of shutting down a single server, cut power to 2 racks. All servers there were being manually setup for the past week and almost all progress was lost lmao

[rustic valve]

It's okay, we'll rescue you, one day ❤️

[worn ember]

do you wake up at 2am or something?

[vestal jasper]

Surely the button is labeled?

[rustic valve]

These borders open, a team will be dispatched

[vestal jasper]

Like "this is power absolutely do not touch" lol

[olive marlin]

I was on site in California that day, it was fun seeing them break down.

[rustic valve]

I mean, if they hit the wrong switch that easy, then it surely can't be labelled well enough.

I want to imagine a big red button behind a transparent box, like in the movies.

[worn ember]

Me fixing code: commenting out 400 lines

[void void]

Where are goblins

[minor badge]

@ashen cliff

[tender swift]

@worn ember just delete the lines and call it optimized cause its smalller xD

🤔 thats how it works right

[worn ember]

well they're just commands, but they're broken, and icba to fix them

[ashen cliff]

Good way to reflow a switch.

[rustic valve]

I don't think an oven would be a good way to dissipate the heat

[ashen cliff]

[chrome fulcrum]

woah. That is a fun fact

[rustic valve]

But I have been wrong before.

[worn ember]

make the cake absorb all the heat

[rustic valve]

Slot it into the bottom, then put a pizza above it?

[worn ember]

is that audio equipment or server equipment?

[ashen cliff]

That is audio.

[worn ember]

ok lets see how hard jenkins will shit itself with j16

[ashen cliff]

Run? Dead.
Compile with? No problem.

[limber knot]

yeah, does it even run with j11 yet? lol

[ashen cliff]

It does.

Already told you that like 2 times now.

[rustic valve]

Will it implode though?

[limber knot]

[rustic valve]

Does it run with j8?

[wispy blade]

no 6

[ashen cliff]

It runs with J8 by default.

[rustic valve]

I mean, I'm supposed to run on water by default, doesn't mean I do.

[short yarrow]

So if someone uses HashMap<String, String> .. = new HashMap<>. Would you tell them to use the interface as the type? Also are there any cases where you actually want the implementation as the type?

[minor badge]

that's very concerning, odd

[wispy blade]

#paper-dev @short yarrow :p

[worn ember]

[ashen cliff]

Just shifted 2 lines.

[short yarrow]

My questions just a generally programming question, but I can ask it in paper dev since I was curious if someone had a PR for paper that used HashMap<String, String> .. = new HashMap<> would you tell them to change it to use an interface

[rustic valve]

Gotta go fast

[minor badge]

not necessarily, hydra

[worn ember]

usually it doesnt matter, its just a matter that if you ever want to change the map type you can without breaking compat

[short yarrow]

Yeah, most of the time people don't usually change the implementation though

[worn ember]

its just one of those "good practice" things

[minor badge]

its about sticking to Liskov's Substitution Principle (LSP): if you have a type A and B where B is A + a little more, you should use type A if you don't need some property of B

[olive marlin]

I'd use the concrete type if that implementation has some special behavior I need. Otherwise, use interface.

So - what Mari said 🙂

[worn ember]

guess the answer is no

[minor badge]

e.g. if you just need something for a for loop, accepting any Iterable is often fine. if you need to know it has no duplicates, a Set would be appropriate. if you need to know it keeps order, List or any linked structure would be the way to go

and pretend HashMap has something like #bucketOf(K), you would require specifically that type if you need to know the bucket a key would go into

[formal kindle]

private int Value = 0;
Value = (Value == 1) : 2 ? 0;

Doesn't work

Why

[minor badge]

condition ? truthy : falsy

[formal kindle]

Yea it should be resulting in 2

[worn ember]

no

[wispy blade]

syntax error

[minor badge]

no, you that is invalid syntax

[formal kindle]

If Value °= 1

[brave radish]

Maybe after a while, but do not use it just because it's still there

[minor badge]

possibly. we have no plans on either keeping nor removing it afaik

[formal kindle]

Will there be a way to add NPCS

[minor badge]

note it still has subcommands we would need to keep either way

[worn ember]

hmm interesting, jenkins failed to build it with j16 even tho it builds fine with j16 locally

[formal kindle]

Because current it's impossible to make npcs without needing nms

[minor badge]

no

[formal kindle]

And nms doesn't work for my brain

I just wanna be able to create and delete npcs

[minor badge]

use a library that handles the hard parts for it

[rustic valve]

Is there a confirmation message for simply running /reload? Could solve some headache there.

[formal kindle]

Also will Paper 1.17 use datapacks?

[worn ember]

'Java 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 are not supported'
wtf

[minor badge]

yes, Odd

[worn ember]

dum jenkins

[formal kindle]

You gonna add 1.17 features to paper? Or am I gonna have to install vanilla

[minor badge]

likely rooted in Java 12's changes to default protections of jigsaw for java.base

[brave radish]

They. Are. Coming.

[worn ember]

why does jenkins care tho? doesnt it just build it?

[formal kindle]

Okay

[minor badge]

if you mean it using a JDK toolchain, yes, that already works fine

it can however not run itself on Java 12+

[formal kindle]

Are y'all gonna code in the warden

[wispy blade]

"will 1.17 server add 1.17 features?"

[formal kindle]

Or is that for spigot

[brave radish]

Mojang didn't even do that yet, so no

Mojang delayed that until 1.18

[formal kindle]

O

[worn ember]

oh

[formal kindle]

What's a good resource for preventing plugins from deleting my server stuff

[worn ember]

its complaining about not knowing j16 tho, odd

[brave radish]

Getting competent plugins that aren't viruses

[minor badge]

did you add it as a toolchain?

[formal kindle]

I loaded a plugin and all my worlds had the chunks regenerating into stone

[worn ember]

i have no clue what that means, so probably not xD

[minor badge]

keep also in mind that you need to add a JDK8 or something if you want it to run that afterwards; it can't use host toolchain if you have at least 1 defined

[rustic valve]

I'll show it my fist, that'll teach it

[minor badge]

System Configuration -> Tools iirc

[brave radish]

Restore from a backup then

[cosmic wyvern]

best would be to just backup your server

for if anything goes wrong

just download your world

[worn ember]

fun stuff

[cosmic wyvern]

if it goes wrong

use the old one

[brave radish]

And also test plugins before you deploy them :pepehands:

[formal kindle]

I have to pay 20 for backups to be recovered

[brave radish]

Then get a non-dumb host

Or do it yourself if you have upload access

[formal kindle]

They won't let me do that

[cosmic wyvern]

upload and download yourself

[rustic valve]

Don't test on the production server

[brave radish]

your host won't let you leave your host?

[formal kindle]

They say they the best and If I move then my files will be deleted