general

[void void]

is there any software other than spigot and paper?
I wanna run geyser but spigot lags like crazy with people

[unreal quarry]

pssh. just double click the jar and enjoy my sexy GUI

[wispy blade]

9 gb ram usage means you have atl 32 gigs of ram :p

[novel horizon]

sure billy ^^

[woeful kettle]

No I have 22 on my VPS

Still

[wispy blade]

hmm

[next frost]

If you give it the memory, it will take it

lol

[somber onyx]

In 1.16.5 i used to have tuinity server with 10 plugins installed and 2 players online only 800mb ram usage and my server had 8gb ram soo

[next frost]

but it runs with 1 GB too

[potent fossil]

Okay?

[novel horizon]

maybe you cannot double click because of settings and only having jdk 👀

[potent fossil]

Not sure what that has to do with anything I said

[waxen panther]

[potent fossil]

But thank you!

[limber knot]

bromcc

[woeful kettle]

Spaget

Not spigot

[waxen panther]

mari mari mari !

[novel horizon]

špigot

Špygod

[somber onyx]

@novel horizon tha sou spigotaro thn mana

[novel horizon]

Špïgóť

[woeful kettle]

Im patiently waiting for paper

[blazing quarry]

Is there a point in using more than 10gb ram on a server

[woeful kettle]

Cause I did the stupid thing of switching to spigot 1.17 which broke half my server

[ashen cliff]

ZGC.

[woeful kettle]

And it converted the world's so I can't go back

[novel horizon]

well you did 2 mistakes

using spigot and also early release

[wispy blade]

Spigot more like Kraan

[novel horizon]

everyone uses yatopia, right

[somber onyx]

I downloaded spigot server and i run it on localhost and i had only 40 fps with lags lmaoo

[wispy blade]

gonna make NLSpigot bro.

[novel horizon]

hey don't tell anyone but i use skinsrestorer

[woeful kettle]

Nah my server was fine in that regards

But it broke a ton of plugins

Including crucial ones like geyser

[wispy blade]

you WHAT?

[novel horizon]

👀

I use SkinsRestorer

[wispy blade]

unbased.

[woeful kettle]

Also as I said for empty launch a hefty 8.3 GB ram

[blazing quarry]

What is that

[novel horizon]

AntiWorldFly, ArmorStandTools, AuthMe, AutoMessager, ChestCommands, ChestShop, ChestShopNotifier*, Chunky, Citizens, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, dynmap*, EntityDetection, Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsSpawn, FarmLimiter, Harbor, HeadsPlus, HolographicDisplays, HolographicPlaceholders, Jobs, LiteBans, LuckPerms, MineableSpawners, Multiverse-Core, Multiverse-Inventories, OpenInv, PlaceholderAPI, Plan, PowerlessLamps*, ProtocolLib, Residence, Shopkeepers, SkinsRestorer, SuperVanish, TabList, UltimateTimber, Vault, Votifier, VotingPlugin, WorldEdit, WorldGuard

[blazing quarry]

What's skinrestorer

[woeful kettle]

While paper was fine with just like 3

[novel horizon]

[somber onyx]

Good plugin for offline servers

[wispy blade]

AuthMe

[novel horizon]

yep

don't beat me

offline 👀

[wispy blade]

i hit like a girl bro

[unreal quarry]

sets ShadowHacker's shoelaces on fire

[novel horizon]

.kill ShadowHacker

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.

[woeful kettle]

Pff

[novel horizon]

.kill ShadowHacker

[next frost]

already killed

[limber knot]

snacks on ShadowHacker's dismembered body.

[novel horizon]

now

[wispy blade]

throws cold water on ShadowHacker's socks

[woeful kettle]

Offbrand discord bot

[novel horizon]

I want to use online mode now but most players are off sadly

[ashen cliff]

Least epic compliment in AuthMe: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-14_11-15-22.png

[wispy blade]

krusic bro!

did you see that ludicrous display last night?

[woeful kettle]

What does authme do

[novel horizon]

./login /register

[woeful kettle]

Oh ...

Ahhhh

[ashen cliff]

It adds pain to my life.

[novel horizon]

What else can i do

[woeful kettle]

Unregister

[novel horizon]

people mad

😠

[somber onyx]

[novel horizon]

yeah that emoji adds pain too

[ashen cliff]

That tag adds pain too.

[woeful kettle]

[novel horizon]

[wispy blade]

why not stop with authme then bro

[ashen cliff]

Not how it works bro.

[novel horizon]

because server is in offline mode 🤔

[woeful kettle]

Cause he likes pain

He also likes to register himself for his offline server

Oh wait offline doesn't mean no one else can play

Forgot

[novel horizon]

Also what is kinda nice, sometimes I can try some things as another testing account

[woeful kettle]

[potent fossil]

krusic is saying that because he maintains authme

i think

[waxen panther]

poor krusic

[potent fossil]

yea, he does

[woeful kettle]

Krusky

[potent fossil]

and via

[ashen cliff]

:ekk

There we go.

[novel horizon]

woah woah

is it him

[ashen cliff]

The week of no sleep has taken its toll.

[blazing quarry]

What happens if you set eula to false

[novel horizon]

you cant run server

[ashen cliff]

The server won't start.

[blazing quarry]

Rip

[woeful kettle]

What happens if you set EULA to maybe

[novel horizon]

ahoj Kristjan ❤️

[woeful kettle]

Maybe I accept maybe I don't

[blazing quarry]

Schrodinger eula

[potent fossil]

nothing happens, the server simply won't start

[novel horizon]

https://youtu.be/ojpTpT5i-PI

[blazing quarry]

It is both accepted and declined until you start the server

[woeful kettle]

[potent fossil]

If you really didn't wanna agree to it, the real thing to do would be fork and remove the eula check code

However... lul

I have no idea what happens then

M$ will stop by your house shortly...

[blazing quarry]

Nah im good

[novel horizon]

I kinda want the server to be in online mode now but a lot of people are not and I'm too nice to just change it

[woeful kettle]

The universe implodes

[spice ether]

Or don't update past 1.8 lol

[blazing quarry]

I don't need to open an item shop

[ashen cliff]

So like Akarin?

[potent fossil]

Does it do that?

[ashen cliff]

It used to.

[blazing quarry]

Hell nah I'm not p2w

[magic river]

After watching the Starfield teaser I had to pull up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA again

[ashen cliff]

Toddy BOY!

[blazing quarry]

Is that todd howard

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[blazing quarry]

Nice

So who's excited about e3 this year

[ashen cliff]

Time to play Morrowind MP again.

[wispy blade]

^

[blazing quarry]

I can't wait for Nintendo to unload on us tomorrow

They have to talk about botw 2

[ashen cliff]

Reimu in Smash?

[novel horizon]

[blazing quarry]

I hope they don't throw a tantrum about all the leaks

[novel horizon]

wdym i dont get papers performance on spigot

[somber onyx]

Same . My friends dont wanna waste 25 euros for premium minecraft

[blazing quarry]

Damn that's quite a rabbit hole

[somber onyx]

Hahah

[ashen cliff]

Offline mode should be faster, as it doesn't have to talk to Mojang servers.

[blazing quarry]

Your player base has trapped you

Cheap asses should just buy legit

[somber onyx]

But less security . Imagine someone types ypur name and enter the server without an authentication plugin . Just F

[chrome kite]

I changed the directory i still get this error

[ashen cliff]

Imagine not using AuthMe.

[somber onyx]

Yes

F

[wispy blade]

Imagine having to use AuthMe.

[blazing quarry]

Mojang only ever asks for one purchase and then you're set for life. It's not a lot

[chrome kite]

Imagine using GeyserMC

[novel horizon]

Well people cannot login for you so 🤷‍♂️ that's why u use authme

[somber onyx]

Mojang must stop cracked minecraft forever

And force people to buy premium if they want to play minecraft

My opinion

[potent fossil]

lol

[blazing quarry]

It's not even expensive. Most games cost 60 dollars

[wispy blade]

easier said than done

[novel horizon]

Why not, idc that much 🤷‍♂️

[somber onyx]

Exactly

[potent fossil]

offline mode is there for development, it's not there bc mojang wants to let people rip their game and host offline servers

[novel horizon]

Well that depends

[potent fossil]

people just do that because they suck

[ashen cliff]

And now we have people staying on 1.17 forever.

[twin lagoon]

Bro.

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[novel horizon]

There's a lot of games that cost less

[ashen cliff]

Imagine wiping PS and Via from this world bro.

Paradise.

[novel horizon]

oh

love that

[blazing quarry]

You bought Minecraft once and you have it for the rest of your life, all updates

It's a great deal

[twin lagoon]

best 20 eur i've spent

[novel horizon]

But what I want to say

[somber onyx]

Yep

[novel horizon]

Minecraft site sucks really bad

[twin lagoon]

good ROI on minecraft

[novel horizon]

like there's so many errors on minecraft/mojangs site

its horrible

https://www.minecraft.net

[wispy blade]

agree

[wispy blade]

also they removed the option to download the launcher directly

[novel horizon]

but https://www.minecraft.net/en-us works

when you click on get minecraft

like

i hate that

click on games and then on minecraft ( https://www.minecraft.net/about-minecraft )

again

[wispy blade]

school wifi

[novel horizon]

we're ssssorry

like most of the website doesn't work properly

how do you buy the game

and its been for years like that, idk why

[twin lagoon]

site works fine for me, problem is that you're not being redirected to the countryt specific version of the website

you're not supposed to be accessing minecraft.net/about-minecraft

you're supposed to be accessing minecraft.net/en-US/about-minecraft for example

[novel horizon]

yeah but thats their problem, not mine

i just click on their links

[twin lagoon]

it works fine here even if i click on your link

[novel horizon]

yep it doesn't work for me and all of my friends here

🤷‍♂️

if i change it to add en-us then it works

[waxen panther]

workz for me

[novel horizon]

but i cannot change every url by hand lol

[wispy blade]

workz for me too

[novel horizon]

yep for some reason it doesn't work in here

no idea why

[wispy blade]

small bug

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther

kori epic

[waxen panther]

michael 🥺

epic .

[wispy blade]

brocc and mimchale 🥺

[novel horizon]

basically their links are not working in my area at all, for basically everyone around me :/

so im gonna say people "yeah go buy it" and they go and click on "get minecraft" and it just shows lol nope sorry

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[novel horizon]

👀 I have it too

it's annoying tho, they should fix it

[twin lagoon]

yeah it's fucked here too

[novel horizon]

when you cannot use their links :/

[magic river]

I guess it's a euro?

[wispy blade]

yes

€

[novel horizon]

woah

[wispy blade]

yea

i legit can't change my minecraft account's email since i lost access to it B)

[novel horizon]

nice

[magic river]

I'm confused

[wispy blade]

LMOA

[novel horizon]

like idk why i have no idea why the website doesn't work properly - or rather their links, but .. what can i do 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

It's using UTF-8 too

[novel horizon]

but hey i'm in small country so 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

Or rather, the page claims to be UTF-8, clearly someone missed the memo

[wispy blade]

 $

Âûstrâlîân $ /s

yes funny

[empty falcon]

Æ

[chrome kite]

someone please tell me what is offline mode

[novel horizon]

online-mode=false in server.properties so you can play without paid minecraft launcher

[warm anchor]

Don’t do it! Pirate is bad! Only good in movie!

[chrome kite]

any way i can play without internet?

in my server?

because my net suck 😦

[novel horizon]

if your server is on the same network/pc yes

[chrome kite]

how do i do that then any wiki or guide?

[potent fossil]

If your server is on the same PC you are using now you would just connect to the IP localhost.

[novel horizon]

idk 🤷‍♂️ on your pc it's just the same, you download .jar and run it and connect to it it will show probably itself or through localhost ip

[potent fossil]

However if you have no Internet, then nobody else would be on your server as well...

So that would make no sense. Just play SP.

[void void]

is there any software other than spigot and paper?
I wanna run geyser but spigot lags like crazy with people

[potent fossil]

Yes, but you're not going to find them here. This is Paper. Either wait for Paper, or go ask Google.

[void void]

Oh mb

[novel horizon]

i wonder how bad really spigot is

[potent fossil]

Don't know, and won't know! Cuz don't care

[warm anchor]

Most sane people just wait for paper release 🤷‍♂️

[heady spear]

I am still in love with kennytv

[warm anchor]

Oh yes kneny is cute!

[heady spear]

the cutest

@quasi valley love me back 😦

[quasi valley]

[olive marlin]

It struggles to do 14CPS on 5600X with niceness set to biggest priority.
And takes a long ass time to start up. Didn't bother using it further.

[gritty grove]

So how much percent is 400 patches

My name got changed

Rip

[waxen panther]

yes pepega stupid unreadable names are against the rules

[gritty grove]

Pepega?

[novel horizon]

[celest rose]

What does "Mojang Mapping" actually mean?

[waxen panther]

mojang names for fields methods classes etc

[gritty grove]

What is pepega

[celest rose]

So it just means using the same names they do?

[waxen panther]

the emoji shadow sent

[olive marlin]

Mapping between obfuscated names and names Mojang uses.

[waxen panther]

yos

[gritty grove]

Oh

[novel horizon]

That's like being dumb, pepega

[obsidian vapor]

Hi, don't you know when Paper 1.17 will come out?

[waxen panther]

.eta

[novel horizon]

"oh it works like that, im a pepega"

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[waxen panther]

but its much nicer to dev with than a, b, c etc

[gritty grove]

If you want a translation it means never gonna give you up

[celest rose]

Obviously

[meager tusk]

This But Unironically.

[waxen panther]

This But Unironically.

most balkan naming scheme

[meager tusk]

Least balkan naming scheme*

[waxen panther]

hmmmm

[meager tusk]

You don't know.

Poor brocc.

[waxen panther]

most balkan idriz

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[ashen cliff]

Very Balkan.

[novel horizon]

me hungry

⛈️

[primal fern]

[novel horizon]

yep

that's right

it's like when paper doesn't support 1.15 paper or older

[ivory jay]

just wondering, what percent are they on right now? don't say Doesn't Mean It Will Take The Same Time For Them To Finish The Rest Of The Patches and stuff, I'm just curious

[chrome kite]

it would

[potent fossil]

...? ok

[chrome kite]

what if you want to play with plugins offline

simple logic

[vernal moth]

Update your browser smh

[potent fossil]

then say that you want plugins? lol. all you said is "how can i play in my server without internet"

we're not mindreaders, if you don't say it we don't know it

simple logic

[heady spear]

learn mind reading

stop making excuses.

[potent fossil]

oh my bad

[torn iron]

contabo a good hosting ?

[potent fossil]

no

[novel horizon]

no

[warm anchor]

Hell no

[novel horizon]

one of the worst probably

[primal fern]

(School Computer) had to open it in order to download me an newer version of an portable browser)

[torn iron]

what do you recommend?

[novel horizon]

I had it for a few months but it was one of the worst, like for some low thing, okay, but for minecraft definitely not

[potent fossil]

dedicatedmc.io

[novel horizon]

I personally use Hetzner and it's good

people recommend dedicatedmc/bloomhost

[potent fossil]

if you want root control of your server, grab a true dedi from Hetzner/OVH/PNAP

[chrome kite]

indeed

[novel horizon]

Hetzner good, cheap, really great so far and i have it for more than a year

[primal fern]

I use Hetzner and Netcup and both are great

[potent fossil]

if you just wanna host and don't wanna worry on infra, get dedicatedmc or bloomhost

[heady spear]

hetzner good if you want your servers to break randomly

and then be told to just deal with it 😎

[novel horizon]

what does that mean

[potent fossil]

also that's kinda the point of hetzner

[warm anchor]

[potent fossil]

they have aging hardware for cheap

what can you expect

[novel horizon]

lol what aging hardware 👀

[potent fossil]

??

[chrome kite]

so, how do i make my server not consume network

[primal fern]

[chrome kite]

or data

[novel horizon]

you're getting 10 years old ryzen 5900x?

[waxen panther]

what am i reading

[potent fossil]

all the HDDs in my hetzner dedi are prefail

[twin lagoon]

sudo systemctl poweroff

[potent fossil]

Then again I don't buy hetzner for highend

I just buy hetzner for server go brr

[warm anchor]

To be fair all hardware are aging hardware

[heady spear]

just get some ovh boxes smh

[twin lagoon]

ew ovh

[novel horizon]

I bought the amd one, 45€ for R5 3600/450 GB NVMe, 64GB RAM

🤷‍♂️

[heady spear]

ew michael

[potent fossil]

If I buy Hetzner, it's from their auction

[novel horizon]

mm michael ❤️

[twin lagoon]

shadow gets it

[celest rose]

My personal recommendation from experience is Aquatis.io, but I may be lucky with my experiences with them

[potent fossil]

So I'm paying 25 euro or so for 64 gigs of ram and 4tb of hdd with a "decent" CPU, not sure model I'll check in a few

and it will prob die, so i take backups

[novel horizon]

well okay but i wouldnt say that they have only some old low servers with which they will say lol your bad bye

i had some problems and they got helped me, it was my mistake

locking myself out of server

[potent fossil]

I didn't say only, but yea I guess. I'm sure they have some higher end servers, but, the way their auction machines drop like flies doesn't give me much hope for their highend stuff

That said, hetzner is still fine, no problems if you want hetzner

Just take backups as with any host

[ivory jay]

oops

[novel horizon]

well yeah you need backups thats for sure, like everywhere

i had contabo and they were much much worse

they even contacted me after some time i left them "hey wanna server we'll give u discount"

[heady spear]

you 100% get what you pay for, and considering you're not paying much... you're not getting much

[potent fossil]

contabo is really bad

[waxen panther]

[heady spear]

I wouldn't use hetzner for anything I care about

[novel horizon]

i use it and its great 🤷‍♂️

[potent fossil]

I'm prepared for my hetzner machine to die right now

[novel horizon]

what else would you get

[last timber]

.eta

[potent fossil]

I have everything ready to redeploy

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[waxen panther]

just use a $5 digital ocean box 😎

[last timber]

What is eta of 1.17

[heady spear]

DO let's you overcharge quite a bit, I've discovered 😛

[potent fossil]

There is none. It literally just said that.

[warm anchor]

Read

[potent fossil]

Use your eyes, read it.

[heady spear]

free hosting :))

[novel horizon]

damn people shitting on my host

[last timber]

Lol

[novel horizon]

anjd i thought hetzner is pretty good

well back to contabo

[potent fossil]

I mean, they're fine. Lol. All that's really being said is, prepare (perhaps more than normal) for your server to die. If you're prepared, then, whatever.

For me, the money savings is worth it lol

[novel horizon]

woah woah hold on

their cheapest one

[ivory jay]

My Server Setup:
Primary Server:

CPU: I9-10980XE@4.8GHz 18Core 36Threads
RAM: 4 x 8GB DDR4 @ 2133MGHz
Storage: 4 x 500GB HDD RAID10; 1 x 256GB Nvme

[potent fossil]

I get the power, I can redeploy in 30 minutes, and I'm getting exactly what I pay for and want

[twin lagoon]

simple

[potent fossil]

Good for me, make your own decisions tho

[novel horizon]

😦

I'm sad now

[heady spear]

just bulk order servers for a couple of thousands and you'll get decent discounts

[novel horizon]

the way you say it though it's like it's basically expected to happen anytime, but that hw is pretty much new

yep

[heady spear]

the key to saving money for hosting is to just spend above ~5000 🤷‍♂️

[novel horizon]

i wish

[waxen panther]

genius

[novel horizon]

im poor

[waxen panther]

hey city can i have a loan

[heady spear]

*of someone else's money

[waxen panther]

exactly

i'll spend your money

😁

[novel horizon]

ill go again and download databases and other stuff just to be sure

[heady spear]

michael is really good at that part

[vernal moth]

You can tell that I worked too much on Minecraft/paper this weekend when I just entered "stop" into my spring console to close it

[warm anchor]

Oh no. City got his meat colored role back!

[heady spear]

it wasn't meat coloured when i was still around smh

GitHub is struggling rn. I get 404d on random pages lol

[wispy blade]

back to not ver ysmart gang B)

[novel horizon]

[wispy blade]

i only pray for the great boben 🙏

[ivory jay]

My Server Setup:
Primary Server:

CPU: I9-10980XE@4.8GHz 18Core 36Threads
RAM: 4 x 8GB DDR4 @ 2133MGHz
Storage: 4 x 500GB HDD RAID10; 1 x 256GB Nvme
Secondary Server:
CPU: 2 x E5-2660 @ 3.1GHz 16Core 32Thread
RAM: 1 x 4 GB DDR3 @ 2133MGHz
Storage: 1 x 128GB SSD
Backup Server:
CPU: 15-9400 @ 3.9GHz 6Core 6Thread
RAM: 2 x 8GB DDR4 @ 2133MGHz
Stroage: 1 x 1TB HDD
not gonna mention my nas here, cause it is a server discussion... right..?

[potent fossil]

NAS are still servers

[ivory jay]

[potent fossil]

usually, anyway

[wispy blade]

network attached storage

[potent fossil]

ye, installed in a server

lol

[wispy blade]

MGhz 🤔

[novel horizon]

what would you say is the best host in europe then if hetzner is not one of the best ones

[wispy blade]

mega giga hertz?

[ivory jay]

megahertz.....

[unreal quarry]

i hear OVH in EU is on fire 😉

[twin lagoon]

My Server Setup:
52 x E-2288G, 8 core, 16 threads
RAM: 32 - 128GB DDR4
Storage: 2 x 960TB NVMe

is this good?????

[waxen panther]

they're not urs 😡

[twin lagoon]

shut the fuck up

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[waxen panther]

love u 2

[potent fossil]

ye not sure what MGHz is

[twin lagoon]

brocc

[ivory jay]

MHz

srry..

lolo

[waxen panther]

[ivory jay]

[twin lagoon]

kori epic

[ivory jay]

what is this???

[potent fossil]

is this that uh

shitty community thingy

[twin lagoon]

no

[potent fossil]

??

[warm anchor]

Your post lack critical information. We all know good server has good RGB and you didn’t list it!

[twin lagoon]

i just gave a random number ngl

[potent fossil]

lul

[wispy blade]

My Server Setup
1 x FX-6300, 6c/6t
RAM: 1 x 8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz
Storage: 320Gb HDD

[warm anchor]

Man at simple still on it! His ptsd experience in OR!

[wispy blade]

RGB strip died 2 yrs ago 😔

[ivory jay]

Bug -> Feature conversion

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

[potent fossil]

I mean for real tho

fuck em

[warm anchor]

First thing I did in OR is to swim in the ocean at the starter hub and confirm there was a border there

[ivory jay]

let me see... i m probably the youngest in here.. right?

[wispy blade]

nop

there's people coming in here with a mental age lower than an infant

[ivory jay]

oooof, nice one

well, i am talking about the AGE age, not mental age

im 14

[twin lagoon]

right so you're leeching off of rich parents' money

good job

[warm anchor]

[novel horizon]

well how do you live at that age

i mean did you work at 10 years old or what 👀

[wispy blade]

that's illegal in NL

13yo at least

[warm anchor]

He’s from China I think

[novel horizon]

yeah

[ivory jay]

i m from china...

qwq

[novel horizon]

still tho he has a lot of things for his age 👀

but not my problem idc

[wispy blade]

hi from china

[ivory jay]

wdym?

[novel horizon]

you didn't bought the things yourself

you did not work for it

that's what he means

[wispy blade]

saved up for 3 years for first gaming pc

[warm anchor]

Michale is trying to tell you to not flex random things if it isn’t pay for with your own money. In a rather nice way

[twin lagoon]

no i just meant it's weird how he has a fucking $5000 server at the age of 14

lmao

[wispy blade]

getting WifiSpy vs md_5 irc convo flashbacks

[novel horizon]

that's what im saying 🤷‍♂️

first message 🤷‍♂️

[ivory jay]

dude, in Chinese, there is something called "道德绑架" which is the perfect word, well, tell me that you make your own money since you are a new born or something...

[ivory jay]

what language is that?

[novel horizon]

czech

he doesn't care you have but you flex it a bit

[ivory jay]

oh... sry for that i guess... lol

[novel horizon]

🤷‍♂️

[ivory jay]

🤷‍♂️

[potent fossil]

It's not so much that you shouldn't have stuff like that, it's just a $5000 server is a bit more than the gifts we got as children. 😂

I mean, I can't speak for everyone. Not everyone is born on equal on the socio-economic playing field, so, I dunno. Some people, me included, it freaks out.

That's a lot of money to me.

[wispy blade]

honestly wish i had a job

[novel horizon]

me too

😦

[wispy blade]

so i would stop wasting my time procrastinating and actually start being productive

[novel horizon]

im kinda poor but im alive, so

i have food 🤷‍♂️

and where to sleep

and computer 🤷‍♂️

[warm anchor]

This remind me of that one dude in #paper-help who claimed to have a $2000 Cisco router at home but somehow has zero clue about networking

[wispy blade]

lmao

[novel horizon]

well it can happen in theory

[ivory jay]

ah, that, nvm, i got the wrong point i guess, sry, but usually i don't use those server for minecraft, most of time, it is for compiling codes, and for rendering idiotic stuffs, and i could make profit by doing this

lol

[wispy blade]

buying secondhand i guess

[novel horizon]

why dont u make profit then 🤔

[warm anchor]

Y’all compiling codes on an offloaded server?

[potent fossil]

Although I like that word you sent, in English it's "moral kidnapping". I got the point you're saying. You can't just apply your values or experiences to somebody else and expect the equation to still work, there are too many variables.

But still, it's a very expensive machine and, even at my adult age, is out of my reach. So, I consider you very lucky. I hope you enjoy your hardware 😂

[warm anchor]

Man I must be poor!

[ivory jay]

i did, made enough money to pay off those servers already....

[warm anchor]

I compile on my own pc!

[wispy blade]

Man I must be poor!

[novel horizon]

yeah lol imagine having servers for just compiling something

[blazing quarry]

hi

[novel horizon]

constant spigot updates on another server

[potent fossil]

If you come from money, it is by default easier to make money 🤷‍♂️

[novel horizon]

yeah lol

[charred sleet]

true

[wispy blade]

so simple what are you doing on this fine monday morning

[potent fossil]

Anyway, it's how the world works. Not everyone is born in the same socioeconomic caste (I hesistate to say caste, but it's all I can think), so it's very difficult to actually get across a point to somebody who doesn't understand what it is like to be you.

[warm anchor]

He’s struggling to sleep

[novel horizon]

yeah 🤷‍♂️

[ivory jay]

well, there is a platform called taobao in china, i could rent my i9-10980xe out for about 1k yuan/month, and the server only costed me 10k, because everything is cheap in china. and also, there is something called new year in china, for a ok family, you could get ATLEAST 1k/yr, one family member = one red pocket, i get up to 30k/yr from red pocket... lol

[novel horizon]

poor simple

[potent fossil]

So, oh well. Let's talk about other stuff

[novel horizon]

let me hug you simple

[heady spear]

$5000 isn’t a lot if you are actually making an income from that investment. $5000 for something entirely random would be expensive, however 🤷🏻‍♂️

[potent fossil]

Correct

[warm anchor]

Bro he’s 14

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor @warm anchor

[heady spear]

It’s kinda the same reason those apple displays aren’t actually out of reach for professionals, despite being veryyyyy expensive

[ivory jay]

there is something nice called red pocket...

[warm anchor]

[heady spear]

Michael when will you learn kotlin?

[warm anchor]

Yeah but most parent just took the money

[minor badge]

@heady spear

[twin lagoon]

ew kotlin

[heady spear]

Hi lover

[warm anchor]

Red envelope exchange is just parents flexgin on other parents on how well off your family is

[potent fossil]

$5000 to me is paying the bills, getting some necessary car maintenance, house maintenance, food, and other essentials that I'm struggling to afford atm.

But if that $5000 is disposable enough to you that you can invest it and use it as an engine to more capital, then fuck yeah you rock -- but also, like I said, it's very hard for me to see that PoV as I have never even seen my bank account with numbers that high.

[warm anchor]

Rarely do they actaully give the money to kids

[ivory jay]

well, i don't know about that then, at least my parent don't....

[warm anchor]

So if your family did give you 30k yen at 14

You are defiantly on the rich part

[potent fossil]

Is "red pocket" an allowance?

[warm anchor]

No

[heady spear]

Smh stop being lazy

[warm anchor]

It’s a Chinese New Year thing

[potent fossil]

I see

[warm anchor]

You give family kids red envelope

It’s basically how you flex on your extended families

[potent fossil]

I see

[warm anchor]

Coz the more you give means the more well off you are

[potent fossil]

Well, for my gift, I was allowed to live in my parents house.

That's it.

[heady spear]

I got a red envelope from my mandarin teacher 😎

[potent fossil]

I'm very thankful for this as well, not shitting on it.

[warm anchor]

True

[ivory jay]

it kinda make sense that i get 30k on new year, because my parent gives away about 200k.....

[heady spear]

That is pretty solid :p I lost that privilege at 14

[warm anchor]

Wtf city!

[potent fossil]

Yeah, well, that is more money than I will probably ever see in my life. Stay humble. Haha.

[warm anchor]

Poor city!

[potent fossil]

I'ma go do other stuff.

[twin lagoon]

my gift is a copy of minecraft, a computer and a gigabit uplink

[heady spear]

Should take away minecraft from you

Not deserved at all

[novel horizon]

okay ill make some food then 😦

[warm anchor]

Imagine what michale can be if he didn’t start off with Minecraft

[novel horizon]

nobody giving me anything

[warm anchor]

He could be a roblox dev

[heady spear]

Idk how Michael would be doing

[ivory jay]

my gift was a cake + a giant box of snack

[novel horizon]

some instant food

[heady spear]

But my life would be so much easier

[novel horizon]

hot water and let it boil while mixing it for 10 mins

🤷‍♂️

[heady spear]

@twin lagoon is a pita.

[ivory jay]

anyone wanna play minecraft or something

bored to death waiting for update...lol

[novel horizon]

ill play on my server probably on.. 1.17 but for sure on 1.18

[twin lagoon]

roblox devs make bank though

[novel horizon]

that depends

[heady spear]

Roblox is so much more profitable

[novel horizon]

than minecraft?

[warm anchor]

Yeah!

Yes

[heady spear]

Like, a loooooot more profitable than minecraft

[twin lagoon]

yes

[novel horizon]

yeah

[heady spear]

Yes. Hundreds of times more profitable.

[twin lagoon]

for the majority atleast

[novel horizon]

but its far less nice

[warm anchor]

The combine market is in billions

[ivory jay]

am I the only one hosting a community Minecraft server?

[novel horizon]

yep

noone else

🙂

[twin lagoon]

the adopt me people earn insane amounts of money

[potent fossil]

You're the only one running a server in this entire Discord of over 16,000 people.

Yup.

[novel horizon]

Yep

[twin lagoon]

https://uplift.games/careers/

[heady spear]

It isn’t even that easy to make bank from minecraft

The marketplace partners don’t make a lot, at least not compared to roblox creators

Unless you’re one of the founding marketplace members, then good luck getting anywhere

[vernal moth]

I don't think I would ever build a buisness around somebodies else's game

[heady spear]

Servers don’t make a lot either

[vernal moth]

If I wanna do game dev, I want to do it properly

[twin lagoon]

[novel horizon]

nice

[vernal moth]

That's not even much Michael

[novel horizon]

that money tho any kind of money is way too much for us in the middle of europe

[twin lagoon]

roblox

[vernal moth]

It's a management job

[heady spear]

You’re looking at a couple of millions at year if you’re one of the most profitable marketplace partners. That’s it.

[novel horizon]

low pay

if you make 1k$ a month youre with good job

so 100k$ a year damn

[vernal moth]

1k a month is nothing

[novel horizon]

here its the better pay

[vernal moth]

I earned 1k while I was in uni

[heady spear]

I earned that working for hegemony 🙃

[ivory jay]

in china, you could make millions by selling houses for some stupid reason... or even tenth of millions.....

which i think is weird

[novel horizon]

here with some university you can make 1500-2500$ and you are really happy

[heady spear]

However, American salaries gooooo way above and beyond what you can expect in most of Europe

[ivory jay]

it is just a freaking piece of land

[novel horizon]

if you make at least 1k$ thats great

yeah

thats the thing

but still here is really low pay

minimum here is like.. what 350$? idk

[vernal moth]

I don't even exactly know my current wage, lmao

I just got a 2% raise cause unions rock

[ivory jay]

by the way, how does the paper team make profit?

[twin lagoon]

it doesn't

[ivory jay]

or is it non profitable?

[novel horizon]

by working outside

non profitable

[potent fossil]

not everyone is born in a place where they can earn that amount of money with such ease. To you, that's a small amount. To others, that's so much stress lifted off their shoulders. For somebody who is not well off to hear somebody else, who is in a better place in life, scoff and say "that's nothing" is, well...

Honestly, it hurts. 🤷‍♂️ But y'all do you.

[ivory jay]

ok

just wondering

[vernal moth]

Paper is a team of volunteers

[novel horizon]

yep

the money they make of that amount of work is just a tip nothing else

[vernal moth]

We get a few donations, we use that to cover infra costs and buy beer or coffee, that's about it

[heady spear]

Mini actually puts in microads in the patches

You’ll get random ingame pop ups

[ivory jay]

according to what you said, how are you guys paid soooo low??? you guys can get this entire paper thing going

[waxen panther]

thonk

[novel horizon]

how would you get paid lol

[foggy elbow]

OVH Just released ryzen 7 5800x 🙂

[novel horizon]

just make paper for money easy

[vernal moth]

Yeah sorry, I always forget all the wage differences. I know how that feels, since that's kinda what I feel when I look at american wages. It's hard to compare wages cross countries

[novel horizon]

monthly subscription?

Paper is now 1$ monthly subscription

imagine if EVERY server really did pay 1$ monthly

nice

[twin lagoon]

have they?

[vernal moth]

Paper has 100k servers or smth

[foggy elbow]

https://www.ovhcloud.com/fr/bare-metal/game/game-2/

Yes

[twin lagoon]

ah it's a game server

useless then

[foggy elbow]

Why ?

[twin lagoon]

doesn't have private networking

[foggy elbow]

Oh ^^
I don't use it, so not a problem for me

[twin lagoon]

do you have more than one dedicated server used in the same mc network

[foggy elbow]

Nop

[twin lagoon]

then it's ok

[potent fossil]

Also be aware that you have a 12 month contract selected on that server. Don't accidentally fuck yourself.

[twin lagoon]

the pricing isn't that bad tbh

[ashen cliff]

Bro. Just route normally bro, we don't need private.

[ivory jay]

also, why don't you guys host minecraft server at home or something? why pay for the service?

[foggy elbow]

3500 single score compared to the 2900 of the xeon, great improvment

[ashen cliff]

It's all gets routed internally anyway.

[heady spear]

The thing that sucks about the game servers is that you can get them in bulk without a setup fee, and a nice discount

But they are essentially useless in bulk :))

[foggy elbow]

I already took one without subscription *
but thanks 😄

On a subscription of 1 year, you only earn "a free month", not really worth it

[unreal quarry]

if you can afford to buy servers in bulk, then you dont have to worry about discounts 😛

[ivory jay]

anyone? plz?

[twin lagoon]

that does not make sense at all?

[foggy elbow]

Hope they will release the 5900x, the frequency can be pretty higher on it

[twin lagoon]

look ovh just needs to fuck off with the game lineup and release new xeon w processors

[heady spear]

Eh? We got 13 boxes and got a 10% discount on all of them, plus no setup fee. It was a big upfront saving actually

[ashen cliff]

If you have to ask for the price, you can't afford it bro.

[potent fossil]

Not enough bandwidth, not enough hardware (notably a hardware firewall), couldn't pay electricity bill, etc...

[twin lagoon]

^ consumer ISPs are garbage

[potent fossil]

We are aware you are not limited in those ways, so you can do it from home.

[ivory jay]

oh....

[potent fossil]

You don't need to tell us.

[novel horizon]

hetzner has 5950x

[twin lagoon]

but hetzner is EU

[olive marlin]

It's often more expensive to host at home. You have worse network, usually it's illegal given your ISP contract and will be terminated when you get attacked,...

[novel horizon]

yeah

[ivory jay]

oh... nvr knew that?

[foggy elbow]

fuck hetzner

I tried them, my 5950x was 85°c and 3.8Ghz

[wind geyser]

Yo can someone tell me how to read?

[ashen cliff]

Solution: Host a proxy on OVH.

[unreal quarry]

i cant afford this 1 server at $120/mo

oh, thats easy fix, just buy 10000 servers for $5000/mo for the discounts

lol if you have $5000/mo for servers, then $120/mo is pennies 😉

[foggy elbow]

(on performance mode)

[novel horizon]

love hetzner so far 🤷‍♂️

[ashen cliff]

Normal temperatures.

[novel horizon]

yeah

[ivory jay]

btw, how much bandwidth should be enough for a minecraft server?

[ashen cliff]

I don't see the issue here. Hetzner rates their cooling without turbo.

That's not a joke.

[potent fossil]

yeah that message killed me earlier, i was like ???

[novel horizon]

fully utilized 5950x 85°C? 3.8GHz thats fine

[potent fossil]

1 Gbps uplink for starters.

At least.

[ivory jay]

what do you mean by your contract could be terminate?

[novel horizon]

yeah

[foggy elbow]

I got 45°c en OVH (xeon e-2288g)

and get 3.8Ghz on your processor, not really good, I can keep 4.7Ghz all the time on my xeon (yeah that's xeon versus ryzen, but the reality was here)

[novel horizon]

but most of the time your isp doesn't allow that

and also if you dont have some anti ddos then they will cut your connection or something

[foggy elbow]

No, just 2 servers on it, 25% cpu usage

[ashen cliff]

Due to OVH watercooling everything.

[ivory jay]

ok, and how many player should that much bandwidth be able to squeeze in and still playable?

[novel horizon]

how do you get cpu temp

[foggy elbow]

That's why I stay at ovh

[wide chasm]

I'd go with the first one still, that second one has such a massive discount, you're basically making them go bankrupt 😛

[foggy elbow]

I had to update kernel

[potent fossil]

1 Gbps should be able to handle, what, 100-200? But you need to make sure your other hardware can compensate otherwise you bottleneck.

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but you are comparing a 80€ host with a 130€ host.

[potent fossil]

This kind of stuff is why we outsource our servers. So we don't need to worry about it.

[heady turret]

ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALL'S COMING HOME

[foggy elbow]

way more than 200 players, some server get +600 players witg 1gbps

[potent fossil]

Yea, I dunno what the numbers are.

[ivory jay]

other hardware shouldn't be a problem, i am currently on 600MBps network... i think i will upgrade that then

[wind geyser]

As a person that hosts their server at home. My service hasn’t been terminated :/

[ashen cliff]

Tho, my temps on Hetzner look good. That's 100% CPU load 24/7:
https://posili.me/i/2021-06-14_13-16-49.png

[olive marlin]

Check your contract with ISP. It might say that you can't host stuff at home, in which case they'll cut your internet. And there might be fines, but you need to check the contract you signed.

[potent fossil]

660MBps network doesn't say much. Is it 600 down, 600 up? Both?

You need a good upload speed.

[ivory jay]

600down, 60up

[heady turret]

Nerds

[novel horizon]

60 up that's really low

[potent fossil]

60 up will not sustain many players at all.

[ivory jay]

i will do that

[foggy elbow]

because you got 6c/12th, 5950x was 16c/32th

[novel horizon]

yeah but still

[foggy elbow]

but yeah good temp

[ivory jay]

i think i will try asking my parent and contacting the isp to maybe upgrade to a 1gbps up network

[novel horizon]

you had 85°C with like 20% cpu utilization?

[olive marlin]

I host plenty of low-bandwidth stuff at home, but it's not used by broader audience either.
Doubt they'll do anything unless you use a lot of bw or you get DoSed

[ivory jay]

or something like that

[merry talon]

lol

[potent fossil]

If you can afford it, you'd ask your ISP for a symmetric link (same up and down speeds) and also as Prof said make sure they allow you to host services on their network

[ivory jay]

oooof.... that's ..... that's not a good sign...

[ashen cliff]

Depends™️.

They don't run the fan at 100%. So that would be normal.

[ivory jay]

ok, i will check

[wind geyser]

I’ve been DoSed before and it isn’t fun. Only because a server I play got hacked and the IPs leaked.

[kindred skiff]

some isp dont even allow port forwarding so we cant host

[novel horizon]

idk they said they had that cpu temps like that 🤷‍♂️

[foggy elbow]

yes, so i asked them, they checked the cpu cooling, told me it was normal to run at 85-90°c, so I left them

[novel horizon]

weird

[merry talon]

My isp has no concept of that unless you're a business so

[novel horizon]

but whatever

[wind geyser]

This was in 2018 though

[merry talon]

good luck

[potent fossil]

And get a hardware firewall. You do not want to be caught with your pants down, hosting servers from home, when some skid decides they're going to boot you offline.

[ivory jay]

that's not nice...

[ashen cliff]

VPS + Tunnel.

[ashen cliff]

You are still limited by your providers modem.

[potent fossil]

Yeah, that too

There are a lot of variables here

[foggy elbow]

They should make an option to get +3000mhz ram 😦

[heady turret]

Sorry

[kindred skiff]

how to do that

[ivory jay]

i am using my custom modem currently

so that shouldn't be a issue for now

[merry talon]

This is just a bad idea in general so I feel as though we should not be giving advice as to how to move forward with it

[kindred skiff]

3000mhz with ecc is tough

[cursive tartan]

This is fucking bullshit when is 1.17 coming to paper

[wind geyser]

#❗-1-17

[potent fossil]

We tried, he insisted

So, whatever.

He has the money for it, he's god damn loaded, so he can do it if he really wants to

Not a good idea, no

[foggy elbow]

Yeah.. but they didn't change the 2666mhz since many years

[ashen cliff]

Google.

[wind geyser]

I meant to say
.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[foggy elbow]

150€/month starts to be high for a single server ^^

[wind geyser]

And that didn’t even work

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[ashen cliff]

Well DDR4 3200 ECC is expensive.

[cursive tartan]

Mk

[wind geyser]

Oh nvm. It did work. My bad for spamming the bot

[foggy elbow]

That's why I said "as an option" even if it's 30€/month

[ivory jay]

ummm, this is just what i am interested in, if it is a really RELLY REALLY bad idea, i might just stop...

[kindred skiff]

but there is not much use of ecc these days

[ashen cliff]

If you need ECC, you buy ECC and you know what it's for.

[kindred skiff]

oh ya

[potent fossil]

It is a bad idea.

You can do it if you really insist, but it is a bad idea.

[ivory jay]

like really really bad?

[waxen panther]

wtf is going on in here

[potent fossil]

Yeah unless you execute everything perfectly and everything works out in your favor

You better find out if your ISP even allows it before you continue

My bet is no.

[ivory jay]

let me check with that

[wind geyser]

The life, universe, everything

Otherwise known as 42

[heady turret]

What a silly goose!

[ivory jay]

it is allowed, except the IP is dynamic, and port 80 is disabled

[novel horizon]

port 80 disabled woah

[ivory jay]

i mean, ddns would work.. right?

[potent fossil]

Yea, but...?

What's your goal at that point

Lol

[ivory jay]

I m just wondering should i do it or not...

[potent fossil]

You're going to be wasting so much time and money (not that your money matters to you I guess) managing your home grown infrastructure

[merry talon]

We've told you no probably a dozen times

[potent fossil]

You may as well just go outsource.

[ivory jay]

then no i guess

[potent fossil]

That's the last I'm saying on it

[merry talon]

Its cool to have a homelab, just doesn't make sense in the way you want to use it

[ivory jay]

i will probably find another way, but the big problem is, most vps or hosting service in china is really unreliable

[potent fossil]

Does the Great Firewall block Minecraft traffic?

If not just get a host outside of mainland China.

Latency won't be that bad.

[ivory jay]

nope, minecraft is allowed

[potent fossil]

Then go with a standard host.

[ivory jay]

it is allowed, but all foreign traffic will be scanned by the gfw, for example, i get about 200ms-270ms in hypixel

sometime 170ms

[potent fossil]

Well, there's not much you can do about that unfortunately. I don't know any Chinese providers so at this point it is on you to go find it. Sorry.

[kindred skiff]

thats not bad i live in india and i get 200-250ms

[ivory jay]

i guess... i will try looking for a provider then

[ivory jay]

ooooooooooof

[kindred skiff]

yee

[foggy elbow]

1.17 is going to eat a lot of ram

on spigot with 6 players, it already takes 5-6go ram

[novel horizon]

that's not how it works tho

[ashen cliff]

Welcome to GC.

[warm anchor]

The amount of people who don’t get Java ram is crazy

[novel horizon]

and using spigot ew

[foggy elbow]

Hope we can switch to Z1C to allow more than 20GB

[twin lagoon]

no

[warm anchor]

No

[ashen cliff]

YES!

[granite slate]

I just tried to speed forward the stream, I was thinking it was a yt video. lol

[ashen cliff]

Also you don't need a bunch of ram for ZGC. Just non 💩 plugins.

[foggy elbow]

I just use all of songoda's plugins 🙂

[ivory jay]

No F*cking way, they charge about 30 dollar for a two core machine with 8gb ram, cpu model unknow, ram module unknow, and with only 20GB storage, it can't even access internet, you will have to pay extra for internet access????

[royal kernel]

Oof

[potent fossil]

I mean, that's a pretty bad deal, indeed.

[warm anchor]

It’s in China though

[ivory jay]

2150 dollar for 200MBps internet access for a MONTH????

[void void]

scam

[novel horizon]

[ivory jay]

2150 dollar for 200MBps network for a MONTH

wow

wow

wow

[novel horizon]

don't spam tho

chill

[ivory jay]

scammmmmm

[novel horizon]

we see it 👍

[ivory jay]

sorry

[potent fossil]

I mean, ye, stop looking there. Do more research. And, well, if you have to host outside of mainland China then do it. Or home host. It's not a great idea, nor will it be a fun time, but if that's what you need to do then...well, do it then.

Just do it properly.

[warm anchor]

Well you want to access outside of China network. You gotta pay extra for government 😉

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-06-14_13-38-39.png

[foggy elbow]

I don't see it, I don't know 1$ = how much chinese money

[pliant smelt]

The progress line doesn't move..

[waxen panther]

?

[ivory jay]

about 7 yuan

[novel horizon]

procesorska moč lul

[waxen panther]

oh

[ashen cliff]

That's 1 core, no ram and shared 100Mbps

[potent fossil]

It's because he's in China, though. Lol.

[warm anchor]

?

[novel horizon]

moč is piss in my language

[vernal moth]

Balkan host

[waxen panther]

thats paper as a whole, nothing to do with 1.17

[plucky sparrow]

How does home hosting work when you need to share your IP? Do you get another internet line just for the server?

[potent fossil]

Accessing the Internet means getting through the great firewall

So, ye, you gonna pay a premium

Sux

[ivory jay]

no, it meant access to china's internal network

[ashen cliff]

64€ for 8Gb of memory.

[warm anchor]

Just move out of China. It will be cheaper

[ivory jay]

INTERNAL!!!!

[novel horizon]

yep easy

[novel horizon]

?

[waxen panther]

yes

[potent fossil]

Access to China's intranet is not free? Then that business is not a good investment.

[warm anchor]

Can you not read?

[potent fossil]

FInd somewhere else.

[waxen panther]

not what that means

lol

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[ivory jay]

all services hosted by big companies, or at least trust worthy companies literally offers me the same price

[waxen panther]

sir?

[pliant smelt]

Как ты догадался?

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther please don't ping me

[waxen panther]

wont happen again

[warm anchor]

?

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther thank you

[pliant smelt]

Чё слышал

[waxen panther]

you're welcome @cunning raft

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[novel horizon]

paper takes long because 😠

[potent fossil]

Ok well then I don't know what to tell you my guy. Home host or host outside of China. If you're going to do it from home, you just need to do it correctly and there is a lot of shit to do correctly. So, if you can do it correctly then more power to you.

[warm anchor]

?? English pls

[unreal quarry]

because people keep asking when its ready 😦

[ivory jay]

let me check those less popular ones

[vernal moth]

It doesn't take long at all, it's extremely fast considering the amount of work needed to do

We just don't have the luxury to start early, md5 denies us that

[novel horizon]

even without it whatever

[waxen panther]

people working on patches 24 hours a day is just not enough, please make the days longer @severe surge team

[royal kernel]

The devs work VERY long hours coding paper too

[novel horizon]

LETS JUST PAPER DEVS DO PAPER STUFF!

[potent fossil]

Spigot: 97 patches
Paper: 750 patches

• what mini said about md not letting them start early.

Maybe that helps.

[novel horizon]

[ivory jay]

this is wayyy more reasonable now

[novel horizon]

ME SMASH

[potent fossil]

Screenshot please, I'm not downloading that lol

[vernal moth]

(that's not a fair comparison simple, as most of spigot is in the Bukkit and craftbukkit repos, updating those also takes ages)

[ivory jay]

here

[potent fossil]

(DenWav said that nearly verbatim like 5 hours ago Mini)

[ashen cliff]

Based hardware.

[potent fossil]

Ok, well

Be sad then

Anyway

Hi.

[ivory jay]

hi

[royal kernel]

How?

[novel horizon]

People that ask about eta make me mad 😡

[vernal moth]

If you want to be sad because we take more than a handful of days to update, when you contirbute literally nothing, you might as well just fuck off

[waxen panther]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[vernal moth]

Ppl are working around the clock till exhaustion for you, for free

[ivory jay]

,eta

[vernal moth]

You either appreciate that or you can get lost

[ivory jay]

虚晃一枪

[vernal moth]

There is no eta

[royal kernel]

How does free, and open source work make u sad?

[waxen panther]

[vernal moth]

Continuing to ask for one will get you kicked and banned

[soft hollow]

Bruh

[plucky sparrow]

why kicked and banned

why not just banned

[warm anchor]

Obv troll is troll

[vernal moth]

!kick @rustic sapphire fuck off

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked OneSaltyBoy#3544 (fuck off) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[waxen panther]

lol

[novel horizon]

nice