I thought they have rain all year round
#general
warm anchor
cobalt surge
He should get out more he would be much more happy
viral hornet
I thought they have rain all year round
They have 1 hour of sun once a week afaik
cobalt surge
If I could give you some of this Texas sun cat I totally would
warm anchor
They have 1 hour of sun once a week afaik
idk man Camm is aussie? they got deadly suns and animals
golden gust
it's been hot af these past few days, I've not been feeling well at all this past week or so so meh
I can't wait for covid to fuck off and for some of the local stuff to open back up
I miss some of the monthly meet ups 😦
viral hornet
Has the situation in the UK improved at all?
warm anchor
Just like it never happened!
cobalt surge
I'll share with you!!!
golden gust
I mean, we've had some restrictions lifted but police are wankers and generally like, many places are still closed
We're execting some stuff to be lifted next week but with the new variant, god knows
.wa weather liverpool uk
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Latest recorded weather for Liverpool, United Kingdom: temperature | 20 °C relative humidity | 78% (dew point: 16 °C) wind speed | 1 m/s (55 minutes ago) - Weather forecast for Liverpool, United Kingdom: between 14 °C and 16 °C clear (all night),... - https://is.gd/SBPMx2
viral hornet
Yikes, there's another new variant in the UK
viral hornet
We had a confirmed case of a UK strain of the virus a few months back
golden gust
over here the indian variant I think it was was causing havoc somewhere
viral hornet
Whole state went into mandatory masks & other limits, and the whole greater region of Brisbane (city where the case was) went into lockdown
That's messed up
Poor India too, I can't fathom what's happening there.
golden gust
horror for places like india and their communities over here is that they're generally tight nit af
My mates a paki and her mother was having some health issues and they literally struggled for weeks tryna stop people coming around all the time with covid around
viral hornet
That's fucked up
fickle spade
U guys can't imagine the heat in india
golden gust
Like, and it's like, I get it, it's nice that they're tryna help look after her and such, but, damn
fickle spade
It reaches upto 54°C
viral hornet
Yeeaaah, best help is to stay away lol
cobalt surge
Hell in Texas the governor has made it where noone can ask if you have been vax'd and it's not mandatory to wear a mask anymore unless you are in public transportation hospital church federal building and things like that
zenith scaffold
whats the number of server patches they need to do
fickle spade
cobalt surge
But this heat I'm already over it
viral hornet
whats the number of server patches they need to do
Like ~750 give or take iirc
zenith scaffold
Like ~750 give or take iirc
Aight, tyty
golden gust
I got an idea
cobalt surge
It's bairly the beginning of our summer and it's already this hot next month is going to kill me
golden gust
best soultion
viral hornet
I'm generally fine with heat
golden gust
next to AC, i guess
viral hornet
Just the humidity fucks me
cobalt surge
I might have to in the middle of my apartment living room
Y'all don't understand I have to be out in the heat all day every day
I went to the grocery store yesterday and my best friend thought I was going to pass out in the middle of the store..
I was like it's these damn masks
I told billy that if I could get 6 rides in today I was taking tomorrow off
warm anchor
Big oof
vast idol
Can confirm its too damn hot in TX rn
And soon it wont rain until like december
6 months of summer here basically
but the real question isnt paper when, its when is mojang gonna give us concrete slabs and stairs vs random new blocks no one will ever use
brave radish
Concrete slabs and stairs 👀
vast idol
Why is that not a thing for years already?
brave radish
That would be so many blocks; they'd have to make stairs a block of its own that can take any texture or something
Image <every single color of concrete> slabs and <every single color of concrete> stairs in your creative inv
vast idol
They added SEVEN layers of all types of blocks for deepslate tho lol
deepslate, cobbled deepslate, polished, cracked, chiseled, tiled, brick, cracked brick, cracked tile (ok 9 layers) and all have all blocks including walls
brave radish
Mojang should give us custommodeldata for blocks
novel horizon
vast idol
7k votes
novel horizon
yep, takes time
and they're talking even about walls, lol
you know how many textures you need to do
stairs in every possible way, walls connected in every possible way, slabs top/bottom and so
brave radish
One, and then a computer makes the rest
vast idol
Its one solid color just remap the current texture lol
novel horizon
ohoh
brave radish
or, rather, three: walls, stairs, slabs
vast idol
Even just stairs and slabs alone most would be happy with
novel horizon
don't tell me you do 1 texture for wall and nothing else, and then it makes multiple textures from it when it's alone/when it's connected and also the sides
it would be nice to have concrete blocks
but idk why they won't add them, probably not on their list
maybe their plans are already made
vast idol
For concrete tho isnt the texture a solid color? Wouldnt require much art effort
vast idol
Backed by microsoft? Lol
novel horizon
yep
microsoft is also small studio
idk about their priorities
it should be pretty easy to do
everything
few hours of work for 1 person at most?
novel horizon
yeah, it's not, just saying
golden gust
I doubt that the person dealing with arts really understands how to define them in code
golden gust
Like, this isn't a one man studio where something being tossed out can be code churned for weeks
they have months to get it as right as possible on the first actual release
and, well, they're not exactly great at that either
novel horizon
maybe they already have plans for 1.18 and don't want to add some random blocks in there
yeah 🤷♂️
slim relic
Hey, when was 1.18 supposed to come out? Christmas Holidays right?
vast idol
Most of 1.17 feels random lol
slim relic
novel horizon
yeah but they had plans to do 1.17
vast idol
The way the blocks are implemented. Get moss from a shipwreck or wandering trader lmao
golden gust
I mean, 1.17 was going to be bigger but they split it up
novel horizon
i wonder
i wonder if it wouldn't been better to just not do 1.17 and wait for later to have 1.17 as a whole update
warm anchor
those method is just temp so you can get the blocks without OP
vast idol
Yes it would have
warm anchor
it will be changed for sure later.
golden gust
issue is that later probs woulda been pushed to holiday 2021
novel horizon
yeah
vast idol
yeah but as a player it doesnt make sense. To a coder sure lol
golden gust
which, oof for any server which made big plans around the changes they expected to have to make in 1.17
warm anchor
yeah ugh we will task you to explain this to the 12 year old
brave radish
They tried in 1.13. People complained so they merged with would-be 1.14 to redo oceans
novel horizon
I would rather deal with 1 update later
vast idol
Yeah my server is dead through this right now lol
golden gust
I mean, we've said to them that we'd really fucking love it if they just had an update dedicated to this stuff
novel horizon
but idk, maybe they really wanted to release something
golden gust
downfall is ofc that you've gotta explain to people who really don't care about this stuff that it's worth it
warm anchor
kids dont care
brave radish
"But wear fancy squid?!"
warm anchor
they play on 1.8 with their 15 year old PC, they aint gonig to notice your improvement
vast idol
most of my players play on $50 8 year old laptops. So a performance update would be great lol
novel horizon
what why
brave radish
They'd have to pull a 1.15 at least. Take one feature (bees) and release it so there's something for the players
golden gust
big caveat is that a huge performance update would be to get rid of all the crap which allows them to support that far back
novel horizon
i mean performance update would be great, but i dont care about 10 years old pcs
novel horizon
idk i could find worse ideas
vast idol
Yeah but most younger people dont care or know anything about pc these days. Sad fact
brave radish
idk i could find worse ideas
iceolleger or whatever it was called
🤷♂️
Better question is why did people vote for it?
vast idol
lets add an ocean mob in a mountain update. Makes sense lmao
brave radish
Mooblooooooom
golden gust
They did add the invisible light block we asked for iirc?
warm anchor
dream 
brave radish
yeah but that was near the end
vast idol
never let the public vote. Just make it lol
brave radish
They did add the invisible light block we asked for iirc?
tru, but likely just cuz it was already in Bedrock
brave radish
yeah it's the only thing I really wanted from Bedrock
vast idol
at least lava cauldrons finally work now in java. Been a bedrock thing for years
novel horizon
not pushable entities? you don't want that?
golden gust
block entities or entities?
novel horizon
i mean tile entities
brave radish
oh; Bedrock has that? Anyway, pretty sure leaf tried to make that and it imploded
novel horizon
lol
vast idol
Yeah you can push chests etc on bedrock
golden gust
issue iirc is he tried to hack it into the existing piston code
brave radish
Look at the number of dupes that come up as-is. Now imagine if you could push chests.
golden gust
if you wanted to do that you'd probs just wanna nuke the existing code and manage the entire state shitshow yourself
vast idol
Yeah it does cause dupe issues
brave radish
if you wanted to do that you'd probs just wanna nuke the existing code and manag...
At which point, given he also wants to redo the chunk system and the DFU and did do the light engine, you just go write Glowstone
potent fossil
Good god, all the armchair laywer phd minecraft server owners on spigot have already managed to deliver me a splitting headache
going to commit vascular dilation with coffee now
potent fossil
vascular dilation via coffee is literally just getting an energy boost from caffeine shadow
novel horizon
but still I don't want that
potent fossil
chill boi
brave radish
Simple... did you read that forums thread?
novel horizon
vascular dilation via coffee is literally just getting an energy boost from caff...
long term problems 😢
potent fossil
i mean assuming the one where the little 12 year old tried to inform everybody that the legal text was incorrect and that, thus, he could do, literally, whatever the fuck he wanted with mojmap w/ no reprocussions
vast idol
The only problem from coffee is when you run out
novel horizon
idk tho i hate those dupes that's true pushable tile entities couldd bring a lot of dupes
brave radish
i mean assuming the one where the little 12 year old tried to inform everybody t...
what-?
I didn't see that lol I only read the last two pages though
The people on the last two pages were actually trying to accomplish something though
and made a valid argument that the text is extremely unclear
potent fossil
ye there were trying to fix the absolute stupidity that irradiated out of the 12 year old and into the minds of the 16 year olds who believed him and replied
vast idol
My server asking me when ill give out last seasons world 
150GB
brave radish
k now I have to go read it to make sure we're talking ab the same thread
novel horizon
just give it to them 🤷♂️
i recently deleted end which had 40 GB
people flying around and looking for elytras etc
potent fossil
starts here, with mr "no executive function whatsoever" https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-bungeecord-1-17.510208/page-11#post-4186812
vast idol
where am i gonna host something to allow that much transfer? For free cuz i am not paying lmao
potent fossil
You're probably not going to
novel horizon
i just gonna let people download it from my server 🤷♂️
and yeah torrents could be used
potent fossil
they may not have that extra space for 150gb zipped world + their prod servers
novel horizon
yep
brave radish
starts here, with mr "no executive function whatsoever" https://www.spigotmc.org...
heh
who said that?
novel horizon
it's gonna be smaller than 150 GB, I will make space tho for it, idk where else would i upload it
brave radish
oh wait nvm simple
elder atlas
The most recent update in #❗-1-17, does that mean it's done or not? Srry I have no dev knowledge
brave radish
It is not
elder atlas
Ok
brave radish
When it's done, they will state so very clearly 😄
and there will also probably be an announcement in #announcements
elder atlas
Ok thanks
brave radish
(just assuming on that last part)
limpid comet
if there wasn't an announcement i'd be concerned
brave radish
there's also the easy way: you'll see it on the downloads page
elder atlas
You recon it will be done by 2 days time?
elder atlas
Oh yea sorry
limpid comet
i like how intellij shows the colour of things now
nice little webstorm feature ported over
brave radish
I thought that was the mcdev plugin?
brave radish
believe so, yeah 😆
elder atlas
brave radish
I never learned how to properly use colors in Adventure so I just use hex codes for everything
limpid comet
i have a few colour constants i reference
brave radish
I need a red? 255,0,0. There we go. Idc if it's the same as ChatColor.RED
limpid comet
but NamedTextColor is from adventure
just pass a reference to an object
that's all it is really
potent fossil
dependency injection. plz do not eject your dependencies they are very fragile
limpid comet
lol
brave radish
Excuse me, simple, but I eject my dependencies very often
potent fossil
.kill ZombieChickenMan
limber knotBOT
slices ZombieChickenMan's limbs off with a sharpened katana.
brave radish
idc about their puny little dependency lives
potent fossil
now I don't care that you're basically a jellybean with a head
brave radish
I will clear Gradle's cache if I so desire
potent fossil
Yes thank you for explaining and providing your opinion
brave radish
that just makes you an easier target for his .kill bot
it won't even have to sharpen that katana
potent fossil
its tunity
idk should i just go there
yup.
empty orbit
is there paper 1.17?
timid hull
I miss u
timid hull
Lots of personal stuff so I kinda went MIA on the internet
I miss you too lol
Also I ate a huge burrito and now I'm tired af
feral locust
Why sometimes there's some chunks become transparent but we can still see the block type and the broader of block
(Just wanna know why, it's wierd to me cuz the block packet is received but isn't shown)
golden gust
loooong standing client issues
feral locust
Oh
brave radish
person in #paper-help asked
the loottable replenish feature, will it regenerate chests if they are broken or will the chests be protected?
and it took me a solid minute to figure out that by broken they meant broken as a block and not filled with oversized data
you know Minecraft has too many exploits when...
vast idol
so ive noticed lately that creepers blow up farther away from you than they should. anyone else noticed this? no idea if its from vanilla, a fork or what. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed (1.16)
true canyon
@timid hull ❤️ 🥺
timid hull
mbax!
potent fossil
please do
brave radish
so ive noticed lately that creepers blow up farther away from you than they shou...
I did a while ago. It can just be network lag sometimes when the creeper is actually close than it appears. If the explosion is centered around where the creeper was on-screen, of course, then it's not that
The wiki mentions no changes to the range in the history section
vast idol
yeah this is constant, with no lag
wasnt sure if anyone else had noticed this as well, and was just checking around 🙂 i use purpur so could be something in there too possibly not sure
brave radish
I run servers on lots of different forks including both Paper and Purpur. I noticed it seemed longer than usual even on Spigot though
so could've come from vanilla, idk cuz I don't play vanilla
primal isle
void void
I know why I am named wilderop, why is zzzCat named zzzCat?
swift root
das his name
void void
Why?
brave radish
but I thought Larry knew everything 🥺
swift root
i don't know the answers to the real big questions ya know
like... why someone is named what they are
void void
Why are you named Larry?
swift root
because, (i know this one!) That Is My Name.
blazing quarry
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
void void
Okay but why is that your name?
swift root
!warn @blazing quarry stop spamming the ETA command, it's always the same.
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned ProClifo#1715 (stop spamming the ETA command, it's always the same.) [1 total infraction] -- Larry#6086.
brave radish
Ok, while we're on the subject, here's a question: why is fabric4lyfe's nickname fabric4lyfe in Paper
novel horizon
everyday multiple times asking :/
brave radish
and also fabric4lyfe isn't in Fabric Discord
void void
Like most people have a reason for their name.
swift root
there's your answer
Also most people don't really have any reason more than the fact that their parents named them that
brave radish
and most people have even less reason for their usernames :)
Why is wilderop named wilderop?
blazing quarry
I did it to get the GitHub link
potent fossil
my name is simple authority because i typed simple and it was taken so i typed authority at the end and it wasn't taken
swift root
reading the channel helps :)
blazing quarry
Oh
swift root
blazing quarry
I didn't know
brave radish
my name is simple authority because i typed `simple` and it was taken so i typed...
nice
potent fossil
and i use simple because i have no idea what the fuck else i'd use, simple is simple
swift root
Sauth
potent fossil
That sounds weird
brave radish
That's not at all what I thought
potent fossil
lul
swift root
That's not at all what I thought
cause you already know
brave radish
no, cuz I thought S-authentication
potent fossil
simpleauthority
siauth
sith
left swift
Hit
void void
and most people have even less reason for their usernames :)
Around 1996 I wanted to be named wild on a MUD and that name was denied, so was wilder, so I settled on "wilderness operator" aka wilderop
brave radish
hm
swift root
okay!
void void
Nice to meet you Larry, son of Larry.
blazing quarry
My name is ProClifo because I'm pro at being a clifo
void void
What's a Clifo?
blazing quarry
I don't know
brave radish
blazing quarry
I made it up
void void
I don't know
Imagine, one day finding out it had another meaning.
brave radish
Larry when is the Syscraft update coming?
swift root
huh
analog locust
hello
swift root
which
void void
Hello
analog locust
i have a question can i ask here ?
minor badge
hi larreeeeh 
blazing quarry
My name used to be Podifo because I was part of a Poke-Digi-Forum then I added an r and c in there to spice things up
swift root
hi larreeeeh <:zmlove:851934003152945163>
mareeeeh !!
brave radish
i have a question can i ask here ?
if it's about Paper, #paper-help , Waterfall, #waterfall-help , otherwise, no reason why not
potent fossil
I usually don't mind anyone's name or question them, but the names that really grind my gears are the ones that just take random english words and add on suffixes to make them seem like adverbs and adjectives or whatever lol.
Shit like:
DevelopifyCreatify
etc lmao
Those are all over spigot, mcm, and minecraft forums
minor badge
simplify
potent fossil
no
brave radish
is that ok? at least it's a real word
blazing quarry
Verlisify
brave radish
not a word made into an "ify"
potent fossil
I mean sure, simplify is fine as it's a real word but using an adverb/adjective as your screen name in general is just kinda weird
That's my opinion tho, to each their own
blazing quarry
I don't wanna go to work now
blazing quarry
Lord give me strength to wake up
swift root
a Larry person is one who is larr
elder atlas
Hey, just wondering, is it possible to start a minecraft server on spigot then switch to paper and keep all the plugin data?
swift root
yes
dusty spruce
potent fossil
about 800
mossy cliff
I see you are working hard on it 24/7 that's what I call a dedication
ancient bolt
we take shifts :p
mossy cliff
What do your friends and families think of you speedrunning code?
wicked plank
mossy cliff
Indeed. Thanks!
warm anchor
we take shifts :p
sleep now!
ancient bolt
will soon
warm anchor
mossy cliff
I wonder... Can a rushed release of spigot or paper theoretically mess up world generation?
ancient bolt
do not use the first builds of paper until we announce that we believe it is stable
golden gust
unless you wanna be what is basically an alpha tester
mossy cliff
do not use the first builds of paper until we announce that we believe it is sta...
I'm using spigot but my 1GB RAM server cries in pain
golden gust
mojang is expected to drop a .1 as theres been some fun issues in vanilla apparently
ancient bolt
yeah we will need testers of course
toxic bane
golden gust
You're daft for even using 1.17 at this point
toxic bane
funny number
mossy cliff
Uwu. Issues? Duplication glitches?
brave radish
mojang is expected to drop a .1 as theres been some fun issues in vanilla appare...
Fun is literal this time 😄
upbeat falconBOT
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brave radish
oh whatever Google
warm anchor
Uwu. Issues? Duplication glitches?
its like spacex's first rocket. it may flies but you probably dont want to be on it
brave radish
mossy cliff
Speedrun to die 😏
brave radish
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyKxnVjdLgU>
more precisely, https://youtu.be/pyKxnVjdLgU?t=292
That and some serious bugs I don't remember cuz they weren't as funny
mossy cliff
So that's minor bugs. No need to update client to play on newer server
brave radish
You probably will
Releases almost always require client and server to be on the same version
1.16.5 was a rare exception
mossy cliff
Was it? Oh :/
brave radish
It's been done before, but it's not common
mossy cliff
Well, gonna use viaversion
mossy cliff
Haha
brave radish
what about right now? you have them downgrade to 1.16.5?
novel horizon
yep
mossy cliff
Ban
novel horizon
they still use 1.16.5
brave radish
wow ok, even I installed Via and I have about three people that play on my server
easier than explaining how to downgrade 🤷♂️
mossy cliff
wow ok, even I installed Via and I have about three people that play on my serve...
Yeah. I got like 12 players
novel horizon
there's also some people that play on.. some.. launcher... 👀
mossy cliff
Just friends
vast idol
i can see doing that, because it can create confusion that youre on 1.17 when you arent. I had to enable 1.17 support tho because bedrock players lol
mossy cliff
Bedrock players ale like cyclists on the road. Disgusting
vast idol
They should have their toenails slowly pulled out
The good news is on offline tests about 50 of my 57 plugins are working on 1.17
brave radish
wow
vast idol
and none of the ones that arent are mandatory
Looking at you holographic displays
but i do need Shopkeepers to update since some players use those in their shops
i might can compile it tho and see if that works since its open source
brave radish
If compiling the same exact code worked, just running it would probably work
vast idol
well version checks is what is causing most to not work
Not worried about updating my minigame/skyblock server yet. Ill wait on that and just let viaversion do its thing there lol
mossy cliff
I'm waiting for dynmap, protocol lib and skins restorer. Rest of my plugins works too
mossy cliff
I hate the uuid system. Back on version 1.1 skins worked even when online mode was set to false
mossy cliff
I played on 1.1-1.6 and then came back to 1.14 a lot has changed over the years
vast idol
some of the changes are questionable but eh what can we do lol
Still gonna be a hot minute for me once paper is out. Gotta wait on tuinity and purpur
Especially since i enabled the expanded echest storage on purpur
novel horizon
👀
vast idol
I was told it will release exactly on <redacted>
weary heath
bruh
vast idol
what?! Is this china?
vast idol
i think what theyre doing with the streaming is a great idea and is helping with the "when". People who dont know that side of it can see what it takes
when they look and then think "i have no clue what this is" then they shut up lmao
humble topaz
will release in some time i hope
sometime like today? or next week? 😢
merry talon
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
vast idol
no way to know really. Impossible to give an eta
untold copper
GM BOIS
vast idol
also spigot is still releasing numerous versions per day
Gm snoopa
Almost 12:30am here and i gotta be up at 7am, fun
on my offline test i noticed no seams at all with chunk gen going from 1.16 to 17
So i wonder if they transitioned it well where geodes etc start a certain distance away from the old chunks?
vast idol
Calcite is going to be highly sought after on survival worlds for builders. Gonna get very little at a time
and idiots will destroy all the budding amethyst and ruin the shards from growing lol
ashen flint
on 2b if it can handle it maybe
wispy blade
2b updating 
vast idol
Geodes seem to form in close close clusters but im not sure the rules of it
ashen flint
oof
vast idol
2021: but can it store a MC world
warm anchor
Just how massive is your spawn wtf
vast idol
Pregen will get you every time lol
novel horizon
"spawnregion" 23 GB zipped lol
vast idol
I was gonna give the old world to my players
But its 150gb
Need a reliable tool that can delete chunks unbuilt on
novel horizon
there's plugins and tools that allow you to delete chunks/regions that are uninhabited for long time
wispy blade
zip is compressed just saying
vast idol
Wont really help being time based tho. Needs to be if anything was modified on the chunks
molten drift
so is paper 1.17 coming
vast idol
That world is generated out to 10k so probably 70% of chunks are untouched mostly
novel horizon
😡
swift root
so is paper 1.17 coming
Read #❗-1-17
vast idol
Fact: paper is coming
molten drift
like did they patch all of the stuff and now in testing?
vast idol
Yw
swift root
like did they patch all of the stuff and now in testing?
Read #❗-1-17 please. Any info we have is there
molten drift
im just confused on "MiniDigger fixed the GitHub actions build and got tests working so commit status on GitHub is now working correctly."
swift root
if they screwed something up before, GH tests wouldn't properly catch it - now it does
they're still doing patches
molten drift
Ah
wispy blade
DBM asking the real questions
ancient bolt
What was the fate of Zs dum patch
gone
wispy blade
F
vast idol
Lmao f
sick robin
when will we get 1.17
ancient bolt
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
mossy cliff
@cerulean plume also using the chunk editor software to remove unnecessary chunks?
potent fossil
Ok can someone 'splain to me what's goin on? So, is Spigot mojmapping, then reobf, then paper is mojmapping, and reobf again? But then there's weird drama going on about how that's not necessary and no reobf is even needed?
So confused
ancient bolt
So, is Spigot mojmapping, then reobf, then paper is mojmapping, and reobf again?
no
Spigot is spogmapped
paper is mojmapped
paper reobfs back to spogmapped
dry wren
i dont even know what reobf is
ancient bolt
so runtime is still compatible with spigot's shitty mappings
dev time paper is mojmap
spigot is never mojmap
potent fossil
and that is for compat reasons?
ancient bolt
yes
potent fossil
hmm okay, so what's the deal on that 1.17 spigot thread with all the armchair lawyers going off about mojmap licensing when spigot isn't even mojmapped
i mean, he's releasing a mojmapped jar for downstream right? is that what it's about
ancient bolt
he is not
potent fossil
o
ancient bolt
spigot is spogmapped, and that's what he's "releasing" for dev use (you have to provide a command-line parameter to buildtools)
not sure I'd call that releasing anything
Spigot's current mappings for 1.17 explained:
- package names are mojmapped
- some old class names are spigot named
- some old class names are mcp named
- new class names are mojmap
- some class names are entirely unmapped whatsoever
- some method names are spigot mapped
- most method names are entirely unmapped
- field names are mojmapped
potent fossil
In order to assist developers with the transition we have added an additional option to BuildTools, --remapped. This option will install additional Spigot jars into your local Maven repository with the classifiers remapped-obf and remapped-mojang. You can use these to develop against a 'Mojang Mapped' Spigot jar, and then use the below Maven configuration to produce a jar suitable for distribution.
"Mojang Mapped" Spigot jar?
And I believe that end clause there about producing a jar 'suitable' for distribution is not really relevant (as everyone in the thread is screaming about how it's not a problem)
oh
jesus
ancient bolt
that is what md_5 is referring to when he says "mojang mapped"
ancient bolt
at runtime spigot leaves everything the same, except for field names which are reobfed back to vanilla
so at runtime spigot field names are actually worse than they used to be
potent fossil
ancient bolt
the reobf includes stuff like enum constants for example
potent fossil
fuck's sake, alright 
thank you for the explanation
ancient bolt
paper's mappings at dev time:
- everything entirely mojmapped
- method parameter names from yarn
paper's mappings at runtime:
- everything matches spigot mappings
potent fossil
Ahh, gotcha. So then at runtime, does Paper suffer from the same thing Spigot suffers from with the worse field names (for compat)?
void void
mossy cliff
If spigot is so shitty why dont you guys merge with them and make spigot better instead of building on top of spigot?
ancient bolt
Ahh, gotcha. So then at runtime, does Paper suffer from the same thing Spigot su...
yup
twin lagoon
If spigot is so shitty why dont you guys merge with them and make spigot better ...
communication is the main reason spigot sucks
so merging is not a thing lmao
potent fossil
If spigot is so shitty why dont you guys merge with them and make spigot better ...
You say that as if it hasn't been tried
mossy cliff
So they couldn't comply so you just made a fork?
ancient bolt
paper exists because working with md_5 is impossible as he's actively hostile towards the community
potent fossil
not couldn't comply
ashen flint
huh
potent fossil
wouldn't
mossy cliff
Is he a single dev on the spigot dev "team"?
potent fossil
ye
ancient bolt
yes
mossy cliff
How come he works on spigot himself and paper got an army of devs?
potent fossil
it's a CLA you must sign, which is fine, but that's not the issue
potent fossil
How come he works on spigot himself and paper got an army of devs?
that's a good question, go ask him
(don't)
ancient bolt
How come he works on spigot himself and paper got an army of devs?
he's actively hostile towards the community
ancient bolt
on the 1.16 update post he bragged about how he's a one-man team
we don't do that here
potent fossil
well anyway, thank you for the info Den, appreciated
mossy cliff
What i mean is... Is paper so much advanced that it takes about a week for a team of 6 developers to update paper but only takes a few days for a single dev to update spigot?
Ps: does TNT duping work on paper?
ancient bolt
That's a complicated question
mojmap isn't really slowing us down that much
if anything it might be speeding us up
mossy cliff
So what exactly is mojmap?
twin lagoon
https://twitter.com/gorhill/status/1401243256755785729 that explains why my adblock is broken
Twitter
lmao
potent fossil
Oh ok, I don't know then I'll yield
void void
Why people think that purpur is better?
twin lagoon
cuz it has more f e a t u r e s
potent fossil
cuz it has more f e a t u r e s
me ride bee, buzz buzz brr
tranquil charm
Word
ashen flint
md_5 seems like a jerk
void void
any words on tuinity 
ashen flint
honestly
ancient bolt
Why does spigot take a couple days to update and paper takes a week, if spigot only has 1 person and paper has people working 24/7?
Multiple reasons. Primarily md_5 has been able to work on updating spigot to 1.17 since before the release due to snapshots and pre-releases. Paper does not have that luxury since Spigot is a closed-source project and he hides all of that stuff until he releases 1.17 final.
Second, Spigot currently has 91 patches. Paper has 750 patches.
void void
Damn
potent fossil
Second, Spigot currently has 91 patches. Paper has 750 patches.
That's lewd
mossy cliff
If I were you i would just... Not care about patches and plane that on Mojang
ancient bolt
The difference is big because paper actually accepts and encourages contributors
mossy cliff
*blame
everyone contribute to paper
ashen flint
lets wait for him to graduate
untold copper
day #8 of trying to get abs: Did a 45 min workout, 30 minutes AMRAP of lower body + 10 minutes of core workout non stop. so yeah pretty much everything hurts
void void
can't paper make thing like spigot, so they don't have to wait for spigot 
potent fossil
lol
novel horizon
no
potent fossil
(@ snoopa)
twin lagoon
can't paper make thing like spigot, so they don't have to wait for spigot <:thon...
spigot compatibility is important
minor badge
well yes but actually no
ancient bolt
can't paper make thing like spigot, so they don't have to wait for spigot <:thon...
that's a very complicated question
untold copper
(@ snoopa)
o.O hi
novel horizon
people do that because of compatibility, so you can just use plugins on everything
void void
well that means I know nothing about spigot
novel horizon
imagine paper changes something like that, every fork of paper suddenly can't use plugins for spigot 🤔
would be funny
ancient bolt
we have major plans to drop spigot eventually
but we have to make sure that when we move, people follow us
novel horizon
yeah
ancient bolt
if not this project is dead
void void
they will follow
ancient bolt
correct
void void
People are tired of spigot
ancient bolt
they will follow
that's easy to say, but people with a lot of old plugins they haven't updated in years probably won't want to have to find new plugins
ashen flint
yeah
deep vigil
need to convince half my plugin users to update 😔
empty orbit
is there some kind of papermc 1.17 beta?
wispy blade
no
ashen flint
not yet i dont think
empty orbit
sad
void void
discord should allow option to connect spigot profile
novel horizon
why lol
void void
why not
ancient bolt
is there some kind of papermc 1.17 beta?
it's currently buildable and runnable on the repo if you want to get it that way
ashen flint
what language is minecraft?
twin lagoon
github actions is failing though 
ashen flint
java right?
twin lagoon
what language is minecraft?
java
ashen flint
im dumb
void void
or maybe it could start whole new era and devs will shift to paper?
ashen flint
yeah i forgot
its name minecraft java
anyway where is a good place to learn it?
yup
twin lagoon
there is some form of modding in bedrock edition
ashen flint
you pay for it
twin lagoon
as datapacks have a lot more power there
potent fossil
I mean, bedrock is written in varying languages as it works on multiple platforms, no?
Or maybe C++ and run with natives ig
twin lagoon
whatever language bedrock is written in is pretty ross-platform
potent fossil
I have no fuckin idea
ancient bolt
lol tried to troll by uploading a current build of paper 1.17 to this channel but it's too big
probably for the best
potent fossil
ashen flint
i got it 2 years ago
mc java i mean
so i didnt get bedrock
an smp server im in is waiting for paper
in order to start
potent fossil
many are
ashen flint
that sarcastic?
potent fossil
I don't like bedrock, personally. Very hard for me to use. The PC version is "ok" I guess but feels very clunky
twin lagoon
it feels like an offbrand minecraft yes
ashen flint
from vids i saw its very glitchy
twin lagoon
minor differences like movement & lighting
potent fossil
the clock: 11:30pm
my neighbors: time to set off fireworks
broken rampart
@twin lagoon go to bed
twin lagoon
no
broken rampart
ahhhhhh
ashen cliff
Bro.
twin lagoon
Bro!
untold copper
sleep is for the weak
lavish compass
Michael 
twin lagoon
KGBChromium
ashen flint
i use brave with duckgogo
twin lagoon
no
lavish compass
wait is this Paul from airplane
broken rampart
i'm actually paul from meet the kardashians
mental meadow
smh
novel horizon
heyy aurora
mental meadow
disappointed
twin lagoon
aurora 
lavish compass
I missed the Paper banner from April 1st
twin lagoon
novel horizon
mental meadow
don't worry
twin lagoon
the devs are vibing
broken rampart
like cardboard?
mental meadow
I'm already dying so the update can't make things worse
novel horizon
ashen flint
i just delete random code and stop when it stops working
novel horizon
what kind of domain is that O_o
twin lagoon
mental meadow
mine 😄
mental meadow
i also have <lastname>.gay so I can do aurora@<lastname>.gay
novel horizon
hah nice
twin lagoon
there's a ton of new tlds
mental meadow
v2 includes 
and stuff
novel horizon
it's quite expensive tho
mental meadow
it's like 10$ a year or smth
mental meadow
let me check
broken rampart
wish I could get a .ve domain :(
novel horizon
i thought it's more expensive
mental meadow
got i love my ubikey sooooo much easier for 2fa than to get out my phone every time
novel horizon
oh it is
twin lagoon
yubikey bio 
novel horizon
godaddy has some sale now even lol
mental meadow
I wanna have aurora.dev or smth
okay the .gay domain was 28€ for the first year minus 17€ promotion
dunno for how much it renews
broken rampart
1000 euros prob
mental meadow
I really hope not
novel horizon
yep 👀
come get the domain for just 9.99€ monthly
oops renewal is 505230230€
🤷♂️
potent fossil
aight i downloaded bedrock to try it out again, i spawned it, and there was a Drowned right next to my spawn that through a trident into my skull
mental meadow
does ovh tell you somewhere for much it renews?
potent fossil
10/10
broken rampart
ba dum tiss
twin lagoon
vh
empty orbit
it's currently buildable and runnable on the repo if you want to get it that way
where can i get it?
mental meadow
27,99€ per year? i think that is super okay
novel horizon
well you get others for like 10€ per year
lavish ivy
mental meadow
i have way more expensive domains
mental meadow
yes, rich
novel horizon
paper is making billions of dollars every hour 👀
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
mental meadow
please tell me where those billions of dollars are I'd like to have a talk with them
novel horizon
poof, they're gone by now
well im poor 🤷♂️ me make jokes about lots of money
there's tools and plugins to remove chunks that are uninhabited for long time
how do you have 130k region files
you mean in "world/region" number of files?
😦
ashen cliff
Ask your admins to stop flying around. 
vestal jasper
<@!184165847940464641> uwu
uwu
potent fossil
@vestal jasper uwu
vestal jasper
<@!184165847940464641> uwu
uwu
lavish compass
meanwhile I only have 1 domain
novel horizon
mine world has like 80 + GB and it has only 20k region files
so either you have some regions overfilled and it creates much more files (if it still does that?) or your world folder is like multiple hundreds of gbs lol
shy arrow
mental meadow
.eta @sage fern
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
formal kindle
sage fern
@mental meadow yes
sage fern
How many time we want to wait for paper mc 1.17 updated
mental meadow
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
mental meadow
Please Report to [Broken Images]
potent fossil
anyone wanna explain to me why
def willRoundDown(num):
return int(num//1)
def willRoundUp(num):
return int(-(-num//1))
??? python moment??
twin lagoon
@olive marlin 
next frost
what even is //
potent fossil
// operation rounds down....Rounding down negatively confused me...
-34.5 -> -35 would be rounding down.... :/ lol
// is integer division
next frost
ah
next frost
lol
mossy cliff
anyone wanna explain to me why
```py
def willRoundDown(num):
return int(num...
this code written by md_5?
potent fossil
no
blazing quarry
I'm picking grass in a graveyard
ashen cliff
Don't forget to leave the flowers.
blazing quarry
That's the idea
Taking unwanted grass so the flowers can grow
Smh i just wanna go home and play Minecraft
mental meadow
not still, again
potent fossil
^
modern bone
mental meadow
i slept 8 hours and now I'm back and will probably continue when MM is tired
potent fossil
uwuwa will you gib me one on one training for updating paper so i can do 1.18 with you 🥰
tame pendant
is there a way to see how many of the ~800 patches have been done? or should I just wait for updates in #❗-1-17
potent fossil
i have been staying up for 48 hours straight already ....
Go to bed
mental meadow
watch the stream or check the commits DrBot^^
potent fossil
is there a way to see how many of the ~800 patches have been done? or should I j...
just watch stream and look at the filenames when they go to commit
patch number is first in the filename
next frost
uwuwa will you gib me one on one training for updating paper so i can do 1.18 wi...
yeah I'd like to help too but I feel like it would just take more time 
mental meadow
The patches in the patches/server folder are done, the patches in patches/server-remapped have to be done still and the patches in patches/removed/1.17 have been removed for now and have to be looked at in the end
potent fossil
well, idk, if there's anything I could do I would. But it's very intimidating
mental meadow
uwuwa will you gib me one on one training for updating paper so i can do 1.18 wi...
like I have any idea what I'm doing lol, just pull one patch in, try to use apatch to wiggle it in and fix any conflicts
potent fossil
yea but, like
i need you to teach me how to do apatch/wiggle etc
i can pull a patch, sure
twin lagoon
apatch is easy
olive marlin
<@!209234044657991680> <a:clappywappy:763461609175384114>
Hello
mental meadow
mv server-remapped/patchwhatever server/
./gradlew applyPatches
cd Paper-Server
../scripts/apatch.sh
fix conflicts
git am --continue
cd ..
./gradlew rebasePatches
Preferably I'll try and do some of the 1.17 update again after it's done (for practice, not to release lol) if there's a way to do that. Then when 1.18 comes I may have enough experience to help, i dunno
potent fossil
```
mv server-remapped/patchwhatever server/
./gradlew applyPatches
cd Paper-Ser...
o ok
mental meadow
for anything to hard I just move the patch to removed and add a comment so that someone smarter can look at it lol
potent fossil
ye, I just dunno if it would be necessarily helpful to anybody if I were to try to help if I'm just skipping patches all day long
but ye i got you
mental meadow
ye, I just dunno if it would be necessarily helpful to anybody if I were to try ...
yes same 😂
feelsbadman
shell vine
paper gotta lot of patches
potent fossil
yep
mental meadow
me yesterday: I feel bad for skipping so many patches
simple yesterday: no don't you're doing a great job
simple today: I don't think I'd be a lot of help just skipping patches all day long
me today: ouch
potent fossil
I mean, I feel like I'd be skipping a loooooooooooot more than you did
blazing quarry
Paper devs you are doing a great job take your time
potent fossil
Maybe not, who knows
mental meadow
but honestly let's say 20% of the patches are awful, the other 80% can be applied by dum dums like us and the smart people can focus on the 20%
potent fossil
mossy vessel
Less patches, less work, very(,) simple
potent fossil
Yeah fair enough
How fucking dare they https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Trifling-Swellfish-f2.png
I ordered it at 11:30pm last night!!!!!!!! It ain't here yet, they said it'd be here today! Can't believe it!
/s
fossil cedar
please someone #waterfall-help
limber knotBOT
no thanks
void void
lol
swift root
No point asking here for help in another channel in the same guild
we all have access to both here and #waterfall-help
quasi valley
fossil cedar
Was not asking help, just sayin someone spamming
novel horizon
swift root
Was not asking help, just sayin someone spamming
ahhhhhh my bad
also feel free to ping @ mods in cases like that
that's what the role be there for
potent fossil
yea ping larry all day long he loves it
novel horizon
yep
fossil cedar
lol ok i'll remember it
novel horizon
hey @swift root i love u ❤️
ancient bolt
anyone wanna explain to me why
```py
def willRoundDown(num):
return int(num...
Because it rounds towards 0
potent fossil
Yea :p
swift root
hey <@!347959633518002177> i love u ❤️
uwu
potent fossil
Figured it out earlier, just got confused
swift root
Are you just here to troll or spam?
ancient bolt
Preferably I'll try and do some of the 1.17 update again after it's done (for pr...
1.18 would be easier to learn on because the tooling would be solidified and the mappings wouldn't change
potent fossil
A very fair point
novel horizon
!ban 802079015984562217 xd
swift root
inb4 "I wasn't doing anything"!
torn quartz
asd
novel horizon
bye 802079015984562217
mossy vessel
!ban 802079015984562217 No need to spam & react on every message
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned weedisbadkids#2110 (No need to spam & react on every message) [2 total infractions] -- NotMyFault#3732.
ancient bolt
But learning on 1.18 would mean you couldn't help on 1.18 so, win some lose some
potent fossil
It was oddly satisfying seeing all those reactions go down
ancient bolt
I had actually never considered that banning someone would remove reactions too
mossy vessel
I didn't see that before until now
ancient bolt
What if I go back to 1.15 or something and practice doing patches to 16?
That would be a good idea
ancient bolt
Tooling changes are minor, the steps are still the same
potent fossil
Sounds gewd then
ancient bolt
The issue with tooling now is that paperweight is still in flux as mini and I are still in progress implementing stuff so it sometimes changes out from under people lol
And we're fixing bugs with it as they are discovered
potent fossil
Yeah makes sense
vernal moth
I don't wanna count how many times we renamed or move tasks in the last 3 days, lmao
unreal quarry
*still waiting on the ./gradlew doEverythingForMe task
nah, but in all seriousness, simple. its suuuper simple. i mean, even I figured it out :3
vernal moth
Sadly I don't think that's possible, gotta run applyPatches and the build seperately
Cause applyPatches generates stuff so gradle need to run the configruation phase again
ancient bolt
Yeah that's something I can look into later after this all settles down
static badge
just add a .sh that runs both 
ancient bolt
I could figure out what exactly is needed and see if that could be moved out of task execution without being too awful
You don't want to know the awful hacks forgegradle does to make it work lol
Build will never apply patches tho, so they will always be separate tasks
Otherwise build would just blow away whatever you're working on lol
potent fossil
nah, but in all seriousness, simple. its suuuper simple. i mean, even I figured ...
Probably just something I need to try and then I'll be fine. But we'll see
Thanks y'all 
desert heath
magic river
pliant smelt
What is an "ETA"?
pliant smelt
It's bad when you don't know English
potent fossil
Well, it's pretty easy. Just don't ask when it will be done. Wait for the announcement from the team, and that's all you gotta do 👍
next frost
why?
lavish ivy
Fr?
potent fossil
Vanilla is usually not a fantastic experience anyway. I don't run Spigot at all, though.
That is to say, I haven't run 1.17 at all yet. My first 1.17 will be Paper, when it's done. So, can't agree or disagree at the moment.
vale light
So spigot is the problem?
potent fossil
I have no idea. I haven't run 1.17.
vale light
Ok lol i hope its getting better with paper
potent fossil
If you're running Spigot and having issues with memory, then go to Spigot and ask them about it. I don't run vanilla or plain spigot ever, so I can't comment. Not sure about others, but I'd assume most of the people in here are patient enough to wait for Paper b/c they don't want to use Spigot.
So, overall, kind of irrelevant. If the issue remains in Paper after Paper is done, then let's talk about it then ;)
ashen cliff
You could always cache more of the FS.
next frost
imagine not using ram disk for your 20 gb minecraft world
ashen cliff
Špaget.
woeful kettle
Empty server consumes 9 GB ram
woeful kettle
That's like no players on it
ashen cliff
Found the Poljak/Čeh.
woeful kettle
And a handful of mods
novel horizon
yep
ashen cliff
imagine not using ram disk for your 20 gb minecraft world
Funny enough, I threw multiple worlds into a huge ram disk to accelerate BlueMap rendering.
That was epic.
woeful kettle
So in comparison
next frost
nice
limber knotBOT
hello birthday duck!
woeful kettle
Multiverse, world edit. World guard, and a couple of RPG mods
wispy blade
@woeful kettle what are your startup flags lol
novel horizon
he means plugins ^^
woeful kettle
Umm nothing