general

[novel horizon]

Have you turned off server, removed/renamed plugins folder and it still is there, right? Do you use any datapacks or do you not really have server-icon.png ?

[spare venture]

I mean you should ideally have an idea what your plugins do and if something weird happens you should be able to almost instantly know which plugin fucked up

[novel horizon]

You need to check, maybe update SFTP client or so too, depends where you looking

[formal knoll]

no datapacks, server-icon.png with completely different picture (64x64 ofc)

[formal knoll]

um I can physically access the host PC lol

[wind geyser]

ransomware?

[novel horizon]

did you really restart the server

[formal knoll]

yes, /restart

[wind geyser]

no

not that

that bad

/restart is flawed

[rich cove]

"we have dropped 1.7 support for 1.17"
does this mean... 1.18 support will drop 1.8 😳

[formal knoll]

the window closed and it reopened with saving chunks something

[wind geyser]

true

[formal knoll]

um isn't that /reload that's flawed

oh

[novel horizon]

don't use any of them

just turn off server, change it, then try it

it's not like it's that hard to just restart the server, or use a better script probably

never?

[formal knoll]

still this weird icon with /plugins 0

[waxen panther]

if you're going to ping people just to annoy them, the mods will still ban you

[novel horizon]

i had good toasts now, thats nice, but im still sad 😦

life is agony

[cosmic raft]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

i dont mind pings

especially from kash

😳

[fallen oracle]

Why not now?

[novel horizon]

thats good for u ❤️ hope it will be great

well i just made toasts now too, i has been hungry for quite a few yours

i dont feel like doing anything, damn

feel depressed

sugar crash 🤔

the toasts were great but also i dont wanna overeat

[limber knot]

yay discord is broken

[swift root]

wooo

[novel horizon]

[rustic valve]

If there's a person called "Mod Mailbox", what is the "Mod Mailbox" called then?

[viral hornet]

broccolai

[rustic valve]

mmmm 🤤

[viral hornet]

😳

[rustic valve]

😉

[vestal jasper]

@viral hornet 😔

🥺

[rustic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/rhop-sharing-gizelle-keeping-it-to-myself-its-mine-gif-5239861

[cedar smelt]

@vestal jasperi like ur pfp

[waxen panther]

suck my foot account no.2?

[tacit ingot]

does anyone have a release date for 1.17 mods yet?

[swift root]

nope

there will be no release date for anything until the day it is released

[rustic valve]

Not today

[tacit ingot]

dang

well

[rustic valve]

Not tomorrow

Not next year

[swift root]

as a general rule, there's never a release date

[tacit ingot]

i hope yall have a great day/night!

[brave radish]

If you are referring to Forge or Fabric mods, that's a per-mod thing

[tacit ingot]

LMAOO

[brave radish]

assuming you're not, just making sure

[tacit ingot]

😨

[carmine shell]

should I use oracle's OpenJDK or AdoptOpenJDK

[brave radish]

Adopt

[tacit ingot]

idk

[rustic valve]

Nono, that’s wrong Larry.
There was a release date. Given two days ahead of release.

[grand pewter]

what release date

1.16.5 is already out isnt it

[rustic valve]

Ya know, to build hype

[brave radish]

They're mainly the same but Adopt has a nice installer :)

[novel horizon]

Adopt is better because of ToS

[rustic valve]

The snapshot for 1.18 is out. Nothing important

[brave radish]

not compared to OpenJDK, which is what they asked

But, if you mean Oracle's proprietary builds, use an Open*JDK over those

[magic river]

I didn't think official builds of OpenJDK existed, that was the whole point

Oracle is trying to sell builds, like some plugins do

So if you get the one from Oracle and want to use it for non-personal things you have to pay them money

[brave radish]

they do, sort of

http://jdk.java.net/16/

[carmine shell]

should I use Hotspot or J9 for the JVM

[brave radish]

HotSpot

[magic river]

Huh, strange

[brave radish]

Some things break with j9, though that's rare, and HotSpot it the more common one, especially here

[carmine shell]

thanks!

[magic river]

What's the big deal about builds then? Why is everyone providing OpenJDK builds like they're doing some great service

[brave radish]

Because that site only provides the latest version

[desert heath]

is Paper 1.17 coming out anytime soon?

[carmine shell]

i think you have to make an account

[brave radish]

not 11 or 8 or even 15

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[brave radish]

no, that's for the ones on oracle.com

[carmine shell]

oh

[brave radish]

and you don't always need an account for those, but they have a dumb license

[magic river]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1401738285655937026
https://mobile.twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1401738287090442241

SwiftOnSecurity(Hibernation) (@SwiftOnSecurity)

I'm sorry I had a gimmick for this account that lasted a few months but there only so many Swift lyrics people have memorized so I went through a bunch of new gimmicks and phases over time but I'm grasping for straws here it's been 7 years and 135,000 tweets that's 51 a day.

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Twitter · Jun 7, 2021, 3:10 AM

SwiftOnSecurity(Hibernation) (@SwiftOnSecurity)

Anyway this is saying I'm taking a break from Twitter. 🌽 👈🥺✌️

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Twitter · Jun 7, 2021, 3:10 AM

[potent fossil]

@twin lagoon Cilium vs WeaveNet go?

[warm anchor]

GOOD MORNING GIMPLE

[waxen panther]

go to BED eternity

😡

[vestal jasper]

flannel :^)

[potent fossil]

henlo etern

wtf i meant

@vestal jasper ur smarter than michael on topic of CNIs?

[vestal jasper]

hell no

I literally googled "cilium weavenet alternative" and found a page that names random similar things

idek what cni stands for lmao

[warm anchor]

soon. I am messing with 1.17

[potent fossil]

container network interface

[formal knoll]

ah.. now the plugin that only supported java 8 only supports lower than java 11, I guess they did some work but not enough for 1.17

[vestal jasper]

I have an extremely basic understanding of k8s tbh

[potent fossil]

me too but am trying to grow it

[vestal jasper]

but 0 implementation knowledge

[warm anchor]

I really like this java16 update

[vestal jasper]

pass info onto me as you get it thanks simple xoxo

[potent fossil]

michale has a boner for cilium bc digitalocean uses it

[warm anchor]

finally the server are forced to get rid of old junks and those no longer maintained lol

[vestal jasper]

I wanna become familiar with more tools

[magic river]

You mean 1.16 will be the new 1.8 for a couple years

Depends on what plugins get left behind

[brave radish]

nah; if a plugin that important gets left behind, someone will pick it up

[warm anchor]

atleast now we can tell them it's unsupported

[brave radish]

Maybe Mojang will deprecate Windows

would make a lot of things easier

[potent fossil]

@vestal jasper from what i can gather, unless you're setting k8s up yourself, its really easy and if you just use the declarative config file way of setting stuff up (the normal way), then its p much docker compose on steroids

lots more config types vs one file, but yea

[vestal jasper]

docker compose on steroids
woah woah woah i'm barely getting into that too

[potent fossil]

like instead of putting all your container defs in one file, you:

• put container defs in deployment configuration file, which will create pods (container abstractions, can be >1 container but its a single work unit) and distribute across nodes as necessary
• apply service over the deployment, to provide an abstraction to allow for load balancing between pods
• apply ingress over service to open up to internet

[waxen panther]

eoahnsiteonash

[potent fossil]

whereas docker-compose = put stuff in docker-compose and run up cmd, and it'll run on 1 node or w/e

[minor badge]

helo simple

[potent fossil]

im not a k8s professional doe

hi mari

what really fucks me up is Google Borg tho

i wanna see that thang in action

[warm anchor]

BEST @minor badge
SLEEP @waxen panther

[potent fossil]

can you yell at me too @warm anchor

[warm anchor]

I DID EARLIER

[potent fossil]

OH OK THX

[waxen panther]

No!

I’m doing stuff!

[prisma niche]

how to run a 1.17 jar

[ripe sphinx]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[warm anchor]

same way you would running any other jar

[prisma niche]

i mean vanilla

[warm anchor]

yes I answered you

-.-

[prisma niche]

its not

[brave radish]

.g vanilla minecraft server download

[potent fossil]

download jar, run it like normal

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/download/server

[potent fossil]

java -jar jarfile.jar

thats not minecraft specific

[warm anchor]

yeah...

[novel horizon]

you could https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Java_Edition_1.17 and in there there's download links

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 274 hours...

[novel horizon]

for server

[limpid comet]

update java

[potent fossil]

Update your Java installation.

[brave radish]

.java16

[warm anchor]

you will need java16

[limber knot]

Follow the guide for how to update to Java 16 here: https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html

[novel horizon]

people don't pay attention to any info, about java 16 :/

[prisma niche]

i have java 16

[cosmic raft]

clearly not

[limpid comet]

clearly not

wtf kashike

[novel horizon]

if you do it is using something different

[warm anchor]

well your log disagree with you

[brave radish]

Well you're not running it then

[potent fossil]

im watching this stream and their pc is clearly dying and dropping so many damn frames but they dont appear to notice whatsoever

how can they play this

[brave radish]

You're running Java 8 in that screenshot

[potent fossil]

[novel horizon]

either choose the correct java with argument or use java 16 as default or whatever, uninstall older java etc..

[warm anchor]

dude there is gonna be so many java version issue in #paper-help

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/VtKXdNl.png

mine was before yours

[limpid comet]

i know

u got me

fair n square

[warm anchor]

blue you suck!

today!

[limpid comet]

excuse me

[waxen panther]

@limpid comet

[limpid comet]

what did i do

:(

[warm anchor]

[limpid comet]

@waxen panther

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

[limpid comet]

i just started playting valorant

[warm anchor]

wait your pfp changed

[limpid comet]

epic fun

[warm anchor]

yes

now my emoji is outdated and no longer epic

[limpid comet]

it wioll return to us

i guess now

nvm og bluely pfp is mia

[cosmic raft]

your emoji already is

emoji name is blue

this is bleu

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

[limpid comet]

updated

[waxen panther]

Pog

[warm anchor]

UPDATED @limpid comet

[spare venture]

they are in such beautiful sync

[waxen panther]

brocco pat 😳 😳 😳

[cosmic raft]

@warm anchor

lowercase that k!

[spare venture]

[warm anchor]

fixed

[ripe sphinx]

[warm anchor]

@cosmic raft

[spare venture]

kashike I miss your old avatar

[cosmic raft]

i want a new avatar again

[vestal jasper]

ᓀarty I miss your old avatar

[spare venture]

the other post Malone one?

[vestal jasper]

so we're just gonna completely ignore the sideways p

ok

[spare venture]

I’m not ignoring it

the first letter of my name is in a constant state of rotation

[vestal jasper]

!!!!!

[void void]

when is paper 1.17 coming out?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 275 hours...

[void void]

sorry

[spare venture]

the longer the better IMO

fuck

[magic river]

Output from a ML model for the prompt "dogs are superior to cats in ever way":

dogs are superior to cats in every way. They are better at watching TV, they are better at using their tails as fans, they are better at eating out of bowls, they are better at watching over children, they are better at giving head, they are better at being pets, they are better at eating on command, they are better at looking up at you when you speak to them, they are better at smelling and tasting, they are better at chasing balls, they are better at listening to you, they are better at being groomed, they are better at eating from the floor, they are better at being petted, they are better at eating from your hand, they are better at sleeping, they are better at eating from your hand, they are better at cleaning their own paws, they are better at drinking from your hand, they are better at sleeping, they are better at cleaning their own paws, they are better at sleeping, they are better at drinking from your hand, they are better at cleaning their own paws, they are better at sleeping, they are better at drinking from your hand, they are better at cleaning their own paws, they are better at sleeping, they are better at drinking from your hand, they are better at cleaning their own paws, they are better at sleeping, they are better

[cunning raft]

copypasta machine

[magic river]

[spare venture]

what the hell

[void void]

when is paper 1.17 coming out?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 276 hours...

[spare venture]

I liked dogs more than cats but I wouldn’t say either are “better”

That’s so general

[magic river]

No no, actually read it

Or at least the first few

[spare venture]

Ugh

[brave radish]

first half is much better

first half is actually quite good

[spare venture]

Oh yeah I see what you mean

That is not ok

[magic river]

Zombie I think we need to call the police now

[brave radish]

*in computer accuracy 😠

[spare venture]

The machines need to be stopped

[magic river]

Dunno what the prompts were but it can also output things like this:

You can travel through the universe to the furthest reaches of the unknown, where the background radiation of the early universe grows in intensity as you go further and further away from where you started. Somewhere beyond that radiation lie the last remnants of the beginning of the universe. Here there is an ‘ultimate singularity’, an instant of time that doesn’t have a name. At that point the laws of physics as we know them all break down. There is no matter, energy, or anything else; there is just an unbound, unmeasurable amount of energy.

The laws of physics are fundamental constants that set the parameters of our world. But they seem arbitrary, without foundation. What if the laws that shape the universe are themselves arbitrary, like the laws of grammar and vocabulary, and just the result of our limited human brains? What if there is no underlying logic that holds it all together?

[spare venture]

That’s scary

[magic river]

That's some Carl Sagan shit

[spare venture]

It thinks it’s a human

[brave radish]

You could publish that first half as a theory and people would believe it 👀

[upbeat falcon]

My GPT-3 Blog Got 26 Thousand Visitors in 2 Weeks - Excavations

https://liamp.substack.com/p/my-gpt-3-blog-got-26-thousand-visitors
Aug 3, 2020, Over the last two weeks, I've been promoting a blog written by GPT-3. I would write the title and introduction, add a photo, and let GPT-3 do the

Requested by _11#0011 - gpt-3 blog - result 6 of 10

[magic river]

That first looks like it was copypasted from a real paper or lecture transcript

[brave radish]

maybe it was

[limpid comet]

better at giving head

[magic river]

[spare venture]

It was worded and structured very well

[magic river]

It was also more or less accurate, at least based on my understanding of the early universe

[surreal sparrow]

hola

[brave radish]

mfw I realize all you need to do to convert snowflakes to users is pretend to mention them with the WYSIWYG thing on
how did I not realize that before

[limpid comet]

@730149366345629786

[minor badge]

"they are better at giving head"

[ripe sphinx]

<@ID>

[minor badge]

yep

good night folks

[vestal jasper]

gniet mari

[limpid comet]

paper general gone too far

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil e

[potent fossil]

@vestal jasper f

[vestal jasper]

oof ok ic

[potent fossil]

wat

[vestal jasper]

nvm

[teal pawn]

When 1.17 coming for paper?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 277 hours...

[vestal jasper]

that counter is real btw

#general message

[static badge]

juan dot seventeen wen

[teal pawn]

OwO

[vestal jasper]

UwU

[magic river]

[teal pawn]

TwT

[magic river]

[waxen panther]

leaf ?

[cosmic raft]

http://imgur.com/gallery/SE3seDa

[olive garden]

Leg day?

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hamster-yaUG0KDAcIcWA

[cosmic raft]

that's @waxen panther on his way to the anime convention obviously

[waxen panther]

doxing me 😭

[vestal jasper]

lmao

[static badge]

mod mailbox

[visual veldt]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[upbeat kelp]

world gen gonna lag server now

[vernal moth]

Why?

[warm anchor]

[vernal moth]

Oh, new task bar icon is cool

[void void]

woah

[limber knot]

Ocelot!

[wispy blade]

hi mariell

[limber knot]

👋

[lament pumice]

does anyone know when 1.17 paper is releasing?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 279 hours...

[cosmic raft]

why are your services sad :(

[vernal moth]

Lmao, I never thought of that

[wispy blade]

mini going for that windows vista look

[vernal moth]

SAD = selbständiger Aussendienst

[warm anchor]

lamo 279 hours now

[vernal moth]

As in, the insurance agencies that exclusively work for us, but we don't own

(all agencies outside our bigger campus that have our logo basically)

[cosmic raft]

hehe

[vernal moth]

sadservice is basically just a directus install at this point tho

cms content supplier is wrong too

It doesn't supply content anymore

Just render cms content

[wispy blade]

wtfff

illegal

[vernal moth]

That project was my bachelor thesis, and since then 3 others have written their bachelor thesis about it 😂

[foggy veldt]

Wait is Me4502 sk89 renamed or did sk89 quit

[worn crest]

Isn't it written with a sharp ẞ 🤔

[waxen panther]

different people

[vernal moth]

sk hasn't been part of this Community since before sponge I think, lol

They were the ones getting ppl together for sponge and then kinda left iirc

[vernal moth]

Außen is, yeah, but fuck that

[worn crest]

[wispy blade]

imagine writing sz like this ß

even dutch isnt that dumb

[worn crest]

Dutch also have it?

[vernal moth]

I like how my right shoulder is hard as stone

[worn crest]

Ah lol my English is broke 😅

[vernal moth]

At least I can still move my arm so fuck that doctor from yesterday that said I couldn't today 😂

[worn crest]

What happened?

[cosmic raft]

incorrect

[vernal moth]

Got my 5g chip installed

[cosmic raft]

sk89q used to be a leader at sponge

[vernal moth]

Oh he was at the beginning, I see

[wispy blade]

the only thing sz in dutch is a z changing to a s depending on the verb form

[vernal moth]

Oh right yeah I remember

Don't remember when they left tho

[worn crest]

Euh okay I'm not so offen in the Netherlands 😅

[wispy blade]

xd

[vernal moth]

Offen

I wouldn't be open in the netherlands either

God knows what those hippies would inject into you

[wispy blade]

leftover astrazeneca

[unreal pike]

Hi, how do I fix this error on localhost:

[22:28:59 ERROR]: Could not load 'plugins\FastAsyncWorldEdit-Bukkit-1.16-701.jar' in folder 'plugins'
org.bukkit.plugin.InvalidPluginException: java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/sk89q/worldedit/bukkit/WorldEditPlugin has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

[waxen panther]

update java

[meager tusk]

update java

[unreal pike]

The JDK?

[meager tusk]

sniped

yeah

[waxen panther]

JRE but yes

[unreal pike]

Oh

alright thanks guys

[waxen panther]

ig if you just have jdk for whatever reason that works

np

[unreal pike]

Do I have to download another version?

[waxen panther]

yes

java 11

[unreal pike]

ok

I guess im not supposed to use java 16?

this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0
nvm

[waxen panther]

You can use Java 16 or Java 11

for 1.17 you will have to use Java 16

but that specific plugin wants at least Java 11

[unreal pike]

I have java 16 installed currently

[rustic valve]

Java 4 forever

Best Java

[unreal pike]

Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1+9-24)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0.1+9-24, mixed mode, sharing)

[waxen panther]

it cant be on your path properly then

[coarse lily]

52 is 8

[waxen panther]

Yeah

[unreal pike]

ill check it out

[waxen panther]

the plugin is asking for 55

[vestal jasper]

this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

[coarse lily]

^^

[vestal jasper]

aka they're running j8

and the plugin has a class version past 52

[waxen panther]

is ocelot saying im wrong

pepehands man

no faith in me anymore

[coarse lily]

Geez

I was. But I’m an idiot.

Josh hit me over the head.

With Java 8

I shouldn’t be reading Java messages after 10PM :)

Sorry brocc <3

[vestal jasper]

nah more like I threw the ball and you took a couple times to catch it

it happens

[coarse lily]

Yeah I’m a bit jetlagged.

[waxen panther]

[minor badge]

@coarse lily

[vestal jasper]

ok but not always

you could have an arbitrary list / map of properties

[coarse lily]

Evenin'!

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon @coarse lily

[coarse lily]

<3 <3

I've been mostly AFK for like 4 days.

I feel like I missed everything.

[unreal pike]

seems i already have java 8 installed

[coarse lily]

Seems like you want Java 11 or Java 16.

[meager tusk]

Just get Java 16.

[wispy blade]

idriz with the facts

[unreal pike]

u mentioned it was on java 8?

[waxen panther]

You're on Java 8

[unreal pike]

i deleted java 16 and the server broke...ill stick with regular worldedit for now

[waxen panther]

You need to be on 11 or 16

[unreal pike]

when installing java11 it said already installed even though i dont

[waxen panther]

you have to change your path

windows is terrible

[unreal pike]

i tried out linux on a vm and actually is usable (for consumer)

but im not about to give up all the compatibility for it

[wispy blade]

wine: exists

[meager tusk]

no its not

[unreal pike]

i remember using wine for my mac

[meager tusk]

it's fine

this guy just sucks at using it

🚶‍♂️

[unreal pike]

🙂

[wispy blade]

dual boot: exists
windows vm: exists

[meager tusk]

um

wsl2.

just use that

[wispy blade]

lsw when

[waxen panther]

wrong

😷

[meager tusk]

Have I ever been wrong?

[unreal pike]

im not smart enough to figure that out

[meager tusk]

That's right so shut your mouth

[waxen panther]

yes

you're wrong rn

[wispy blade]

windows isnt great but it could be worse

cough bsd

[meager tusk]

what do you use

[waxen panther]

void linux sir ?

like an alpha

unlike beta idriz

[meager tusk]

why am i still talking to you

[wispy blade]

alpha males when full release male walks in

[waxen panther]

i love u idriz

[meager tusk]

aired forever

Hacked

I love Brocc

[waxen panther]

i wasnt

🥺

[wispy blade]

okay but where the fuck's my bus at

[meager tusk]

what in the terrible distro is void linux

[wispy blade]

^

[waxen panther]

its the best distro

[wispy blade]

void's kinda very quirky

[waxen panther]

its not for noobs !

[wispy blade]

arch btw intensifies

[waxen panther]

ew

arch is my old distro

😷

[meager tusk]

who's it for?

[wispy blade]

coming from manjaro and debian

[waxen panther]

chads

[meager tusk]

I beg to differ

[waxen panther]

@minor badge confirm

[meager tusk]

It's for LOSERS.

[waxen panther]

WRONG.

were you hacked

[meager tusk]

I was.

[wispy blade]

i keep forgetting i cant say the r word here xd

[meager tusk]

It's for people who can't get Gentoo working.

[waxen panther]

i would use gentoo if i had the time

[wispy blade]

<- got gentoo working but forgot login details

[minor badge]

@waxen panther hello

@meager tusk You are smelly

[waxen panther]

love u mari!

[meager tusk]

Wow.

Hacked?

[wispy blade]

rude hacker

[minor badge]

No. I have a nose.

[meager tusk]

Ok.

Gonna cry.

[mental meadow]

Good morning uwu

[meager tusk]

Didn't Ask G

[wispy blade]

hi @mental meadow

sleep well?

[mental meadow]

Eh

[viral hornet]

Imagine being mean to idriz 😔

[swift root]

@waxen panther I'd like to report a crime

[waxen panther]

yes hello

Moderator, broccolai here

[swift root]

You're too damn cute it's illegal

[waxen panther]

woah

could say the same about you :larrypat:

[meager tusk]

I can't imagine.

But apparently @minor badge can. Which means she hates me. And wants me dead.

[swift root]

Slander and lies

[viral hornet]

No

[waxen panther]

the following things have come to my attention

[viral hornet]

Everyone love idriz

[meager tusk]

You hate me.

[swift root]

??? Nothing is following? Do you have no attention?

[minor badge]

@meager tusk Eating my pizza leftovers.

[waxen panther]

i cba to find the copy pasta!

[meager tusk]

Ok?

[viral hornet]

There is a 3-5 business month delay with mod mailbox sorry

[waxen panther]

Are you bullying Mari?

[meager tusk]

Still haven't refuted the fact that you want me dead.

[minor badge]

Why would I?

[viral hornet]

Okay now mari is also pizza

[minor badge]

I hate you, Idriz.

[viral hornet]

I have decided pizza is for dinner

*if I can eat it

[waxen panther]

i have decided

i will set my alarm for 10:45

[viral hornet]

Excellent

[waxen panther]

so i can get mcdonalds breakfast

[meager tusk]

Okay.

[viral hornet]

How long is that away

[waxen panther]

its 7:10 atm

[meager tusk]

I only talk to good developers so now I'm gonna ignore you.

Hi @waxen panther

[minor badge]

Ok.

[meager tusk]

How are you today

[viral hornet]

Gn for 3 hours brocc

[waxen panther]

Hello!

[meager tusk]

Doing well?

[waxen panther]

I am GREAT idriz, how are you

[minor badge]

@viral hornet best Camm ever ?

[meager tusk]

I'm doing fantastic.

Especially because you're here.

[waxen panther]

Love to hear it bro!

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[viral hornet]

Worst camm ever

[waxen panther]

Fact!

[minor badge]

@viral hornet no ?

[viral hornet]

Vc again tonight mari ????

[waxen panther]

Least loving bulkan couple

[viral hornet]

Broc ?????

C*

[meager tusk]

If Mari calls you the best..

[waxen panther]

Of course ?

[minor badge]

bo

no

[waxen panther]

????

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[waxen panther]

mari u hate me ?

[minor badge]

i am going to be with Isaac

[waxen panther]

oh

[viral hornet]

Pog !

Please tell Isaac I said hello 🥺

[cosmic raft]

👀

[waxen panther]

Hello issac!

Best issac.

[minor badge]

smh

[viral hornet]

????

[quasi valley]

are you okay camm

[minor badge]

@viral hornet @waxen panther they say "hi hello"

[waxen panther]

good

[cosmic raft]

mari #staff !

[wispy blade]

fuckin hay fever making my eyes itch all day

[waxen panther]

kash there must be a bug i cannot see batcave

[minor badge]

nanananana

[viral hornet]

no .

[ancient bolt]

@waxen panther please change your name to not be confusing

[waxen panther]

blame jroy

[viral hornet]

😔

[swift root]

Make it NON-MODERATOR or something

[ancient bolt]

thx bby

[swift root]

Gotta be very clear

[waxen panther]

[swift root]

Fair enough

[wispy blade]

hello mr broccolai

chat killed 😎

[waxen panther]

😎

[meager tusk]

Most intelligent minecraft community chat

[wispy blade]

it's cuz im here bro

[meager tusk]

Nvm naom's here

[waxen panther]

gottem

[wispy blade]

yep

facts

[cosmic raft]

@swift root hello

@quasi valley

[swift root]

Hello

[cosmic raft]

👀 larry

[viral hornet]

[swift root]

Why are we looking at me

[quasi valley]

[wispy blade]

why not

[viral hornet]

[waxen panther]

[cosmic raft]

[swift root]

Because it's scary

[cosmic raft]

larry!

look in the direction of the eyes

[swift root]

I have so many pupils focused on me I might as well be a teacher

[cosmic raft]

[swift root]

Wow

[swift root]

This one's even sitting on a washing machine

[shell vine]

[viral hornet]

[waxen panther]

no

[wispy blade]

😐

[waxen panther]

god natt camm!

[viral hornet]

gn brocc !!!!

👄

[worn ember]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-magic-no-no-sabrina-tv-gif-14293457

[stray oyster]

[swift root]

What are you the eye police

Bold for someone with eye in their name

[vernal moth]

phoenix616: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/nvhfdu/with_the_new_117_particles_i_can_now_create for your FX

[viral hornet]

@quasi valley ^

[magic river]

🥦 🥦 🤢

I see you lost your fancy new position

[viral hornet]

Please don't bully broccolai 😔

This is a broccolai bullying free zone

[quasi valley]

brocc will remain the mod mail in our hearts

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPL5ctFTK4

Oh, neat, they stop giving you the blocks for the ores you have to smelt now

They give you an unprocessed hunk of ore to smelt instead

[quaint acorn]

You can still have the ores. Just use silk touch.

[wispy blade]

in response to issue #5790: imagine not reading your errors

like imagine

[magic river]

Sounds like they yeeted their DB

Experience Orbs now sometimes merge when in large quantities to improve performance. This does not change the rate at which the player can absorb them, it simply limits the amount of separate orbs floating around in the world. Orbs that merge will gain the lifetime of the most recently created one.

woo

[wispy blade]

"no such column" sounds like you didnt set up your table correctly

because i've had the same issue KEKW

[minor badge]

Let's not use gay as a negative descriptor

[wispy blade]

sqlite is kinda stupid

[twin lagoon]

mari epic

[wispy blade]

need to use an upsert instead of insert or update into

[worn ember]

huh, what changed witht he particles?

[wispy blade]

on conflict uuid do update set x=x.excluded, y=y.excluded

[minor badge]

it's just got its own SQL dialect

@twin lagoon no U ?

[wispy blade]

true but still

that's kinda dumb to not have

because your queries just explode in size

the more columns you have

[potent fossil]

just logged in facebook (my own fault ig smfh) and got shown a giant anti-lgbtq post on my feed. tab closed. i have no energy for dis shet rn

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/cLBCRd2QnJo kek

[wispy blade]

lol

[wispy blade]

gg zucc

[potent fossil]

ah yes, it was very funny a real knee slapper /s

[rustic valve]

You're supposed to read the error log? I thought the consensus was to just copy it then paste it raw in here for someone else to fix

[vernal moth]

waiting for spigot be like

[hidden ravine]

:D yep

[rustic valve]

Sweet Tooth on Netflix is a pretty decent show if you're up for it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn ember]

They're your friends m8

[rustic valve]

How many of the people you have on facebook do you actually know?

[worn ember]

Even if you don't. Remove them and ez pz

@vernal moth did you take the day off?

[potent fossil]

"friend of friends"

[vernal moth]

no am working ^^

[waxen panther]

working

[worn ember]

Didn't know you worked in a casino 🤣

[rustic valve]

Card playing is a weird field of work. Where do I apply?

[idle galleon]

moin, is it possible to create a infochannel for the 1.17 like so i can follow them ? if u know what i mean xD sry broken english

[waxen panther]

there will be an announcement when its ready

[rustic valve]

You mean, #announcements?

[waxen panther]

otherwise you can follow the gh issue in #❗-1-17

[rustic valve]

I wanna follow #❗-1-17, because once I'm told it's gone, I can go back to forgetting about it until 1.18 🙃

[idle galleon]

i mean this type of channel :=|

[waxen panther]

no

there wont be hour to hour updates on it, when its ready it'll be ready and in announcements :p

[rustic valve]

I yes this no

[idle galleon]

okay, im fine with that ^^ but great work what u did with minecraft servers ^^

[minor badge]

mfw they're gambling without the gambler

[rustic valve]

What's the fun in gambling, if you aren't risking anything?

[minor badge]

joke is that I work with it smh

[warm anchor]

Sad can’t see on mobile. I am in bed

[waxen panther]

eternity go to bed 😡

[quasi valley]

eternity go to sleep

[warm anchor]

I am in bed!!!

[vernal moth]

I don't, proxi does ^^

[waxen panther]

sleep !

[rustic valve]

You work with gamblers?

[warm anchor]

[minor badge]

i work at a casino

[idle galleon]

it is 9 am how tf u are in bed

[rustic valve]

I feel sorry for you

[minor badge]

no direct contact w gamblers

[rustic valve]

Wait

Works at casino
No contact with gamblers

But how

[ashen cliff]

Don't touch them.

Simple.

[topaz mortar]

Look at the poker players in #851516819177209878

[minor badge]

I saw

[minor badge]

Software dev

[rustic valve]

Should've guessed.

[minor badge]

now if only I could have no contact with anyone

[rustic valve]

Say you've got the covid. Gotta isolate from home 😉

[waxen panther]

issac ?

[minor badge]

I already WFH

[topaz mortar]

proxy just have contact with city. 😄

[minor badge]

City lives in Spain now I believe

[twin lagoon]

awa

[minor badge]

awa

[waxen panther]

no

he just went there for a couple weeks

[twin lagoon]

he moved back

[minor badge]

oh

kekw

where does he live now? Karlstad still?

[waxen panther]

you would know if you were in incendo 😠

[topaz mortar]

My last info was that he came back from spanish vacation

[minor badge]

he said he wanted to move there for a couple months, then finally he did

completely missed him coming back though lol

[vernal moth]

city never properly moved to spain, he just tried it for a month to see how its there iirc

[left swift]

[ornate dirge]

Spain is great but too hot m8

Sauce: im spanish

Also in Andalucía (south cool part) we speak with a really strong accent and its harder than regular spanish

[void void]

hi

[signal bluff]

hey coreteam, thank you for your awesome work, can't imagine how much development time it takes to support this project

[vernal moth]

I mean, currently half the team is gambling in voice chat instead of working 😂

But thank you, we will get real busy once MD pushes his code

[left swift]

Wtf late night voice party

Kneny is in there cant join

[worn ember]

Mini feeding papers gambling addiction

[topaz mortar]

Early morning voice party. It is 09:45 UTC+2 here.

[worn ember]

Lucky. I have a final in 2 hours

[left swift]

Ah yes

I know some of those numbers

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/4e2L19Z.png

pop getting bullied by the game

[limber knot]

Poor pop

[unreal pike]

.optimize

[limber knot]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/

additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550

[ornate dirge]

I thought this guide was obliterated from existence

[twin lagoon]

cilium

i did actually want to try out weavenet but their docs were too confusing

[shell vine]

[twin lagoon]

anyone know how to start a java process on linux bound to two cpu cores? kinda like docker's cpu container limits

[mossy cliff]

so how exactly does the development work? Does paper rely on spigot updating ti 1.17 first?

[twin lagoon]

there's taskset but that only allows you to limit it to two specific cpu cores

[foggy veldt]

#❗-1-17

[hasty jay]

yup, it is based on spigot...

[foggy veldt]

The issue goes over the dev process

[mossy cliff]

I got a friend who does Steam client modifications and they can update the software within 2 hours of reverse engineering new structs from a decompiler

[hasty jay]

BTW kudos to mods for the autoreply on new version questions... Made my day! :)

[mossy cliff]

so i guess updating mc shouldnt be harder than this

[median narwhal]

Hey
Sorry if its a silly question
right now, I am running a paper 1.16.5 version on my apex server, and as there is no 1.17 paper for the time being, can I change it to vanilla 1.17, and when paper 1.17 is released, can I revert it back to the paper version?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 285 hours...

[twin lagoon]

it is a lot harder

what the fuck even is that comparison

[golden gust]

it's not particularly hard, just, time consuming

and, well, completely different realms

[mossy cliff]

i guess you all bored after all these years speedrunning the update huh?

[minor badge]

oh yeah it's easy as fuck, just takes a few days of work

[twin lagoon]

my guy it's 800 patches that have to be looked over manually

[foggy veldt]

I got a friend who works at Home Depot and cuts wood, I guess updating paper shouldn’t be that much more difficult

[mossy cliff]

so what exactly does it take to release a new version? do you have to rewrite all the mob behaviour functions into your own code or?

[minor badge]

1.16 was a 4-5 day round the clock work session lol, it's just a lot to do

[twin lagoon]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

this issue contains all you need to know

[median narwhal]

can someone tell me this
plijj

[twin lagoon]

yes

[golden gust]

"yes", but you have to migrate to vanilla manually and will lose some metadata

[median narwhal]

ohhh okay, thanks

[rustic valve]

Funny how #general is somehow #tech-help

[olive marlin]

You can use what docker uses and create cgroups, or use cpulimit which will just send SIGSTOP and SIGCONT signals every so often.

[twin lagoon]

i found cpuset which apparently just uses cgroups yes

[golden gust]

don't use cpulimit

[mossy cliff]

so since spigot is based on bukkit... does that mean paper is third in the waiting queue?

[twin lagoon]

spigot maintains bukkit

so technically yes but technically no because bukkit & spigot release at the same time

[rustic valve]

Can we use Catlimit? 😏

[hasty jay]

second after spigot... MC is already out...

[void void]

so like did 1.17 change anything server side, like any optimizations?

[twin lagoon]

i don't understand cpuset ngl

[mossy cliff]

honestly, 1.17 is kinda lame. the only good thing i can think of is using fortune on iron and gold. but even then... kinda lame update tbh

[rustic valve]

Sounds like it'd just set the amount of CPU's to work on

[twin lagoon]

yes but i don't know how to use it

[rustic valve]

Oh no 😅

[golden gust]

you basically set what CPUs a process can run on

[twin lagoon]

cpuset is a bit more complicated than you'd expect

[mossy cliff]

Anyways guys. What are your professions or what is the field you study for?

[golden gust]

there was a pretty wrapper util for it iirc

[twin lagoon]

[rustic valve]

I looked it up - This hurts - Back to Netflix

[void void]

CE

not fun

i hate physics

[mossy cliff]

I just finished fourth semester of IT and i am still wondering why the f do we learn statistics 😄 it is so trash

[void void]

well mostly i dislike my teacher lol

what is IT?

[mossy cliff]

computer science

[void void]

oh

linear algebra

fun

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon

[mossy cliff]

maffs is da best

[twin lagoon]

mari epic

[olive marlin]

Never read the manpage, scroll down to examples immediately.

[void void]

i think linear algebra was the hardest math class ive taken

[twin lagoon]

wait

[mossy cliff]

Data analysis and simulation modeling is very fun 🙂

[twin lagoon]

can't i just use nice

[void void]

multivar and DE was much easier

[twin lagoon]

no i can't actually nevermind

[olive marlin]

Nice defines priority.

[twin lagoon]

fine cgroups it is

seems to work

[olive marlin]

[potent fossil]

so michale, if i go buy some hetzner cloud cheap ass vps's, do i do this ufw thing https://github.com/hobby-kube/guide#firewall on all machines (workers need 6443 too? idk )

and wireguard ? ? https://github.com/hobby-kube/guide#wireguard-setup first time i hear of that shet

and i also didn't realize etcd replicated to worker nodes as well unless thats just a side effect of being a cheap bastard with this hobby kube guide

and also tf you mean weave confusing, this hobby kube guide uses it and says it doesnt even need config

[twin lagoon]

use a vSwitch

[potent fossil]

what

[twin lagoon]

limiting to two threads

[rustic valve]

I see nothing wrong here

[twin lagoon]

honestly don't know why it performs so bad with 2 threads

[rustic valve]

Clearly you need to throw more money at the issue, I've heard it helps.

[ashen cliff]

GC?

[twin lagoon]

nah gc is fine

i'll raise it to 4 threads and see how shit goes

4 makes it happy for some reason

[solemn cedar]

[rustic valve]

Needs to be another version of that one. Just the same, but flipped.

[night forum]

so whats the eta for the new minecraft update?

just joking.

[minor badge]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-bad-bad-bad-new-johnny-orlando-bad-news-sad-news-terrible-news-gif-19000985

[frosty pebble]

Ok so I no there is no actual ETA for the update buuut is there any kind of rough estimate? Like within a month? 10 years? You must have some sort of idea

[golden gust]

no

[void void]

Look at previous updates

and be patient

[frosty pebble]

How long did previous updates take?

[void void]

Check it yourself

[golden gust]

it varies, we don't care to keep track of it

We don't offer ETAs in any capacity, stop asking

[mossy vessel]

One or two crates of beer

[night forum]

There wont be an eta because everyone will ask again and again.
Also this project is open source and all contributor do it in their free time. Nobody knows how long it will take or what kind of problems will occur. But everyone is doing their best.

[twilit quarry]

continuing to ask here will certainly not speed up the process ;)

can you maybe make the #❗-1-17 channel an announcement channel though so we can follow updates in our own servers?

[minor badge]

it won't have milestone updates

subscribe to the GH issue

[twilit quarry]

would help me with hosting customers who keep bothering me about when paper 1.17 will be available

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 286 hours...

[twilit quarry]

I didnt ask about the progress, just if the channel could be an announcements channel, thanks :)

[frosty pebble]

Ah ok thanks

[golden gust]

done, but, updates are likely infrequently to be posted in there, hence why we didn't make it one in the first place

(kash did it)

[frosty pebble]

Wait does this bot actually count up the hour?

Lemme try

[void void]

XD

[frosty pebble]

I didnt ask about the progress, just if the channel could be an announcements channel, thanks :)

[twin lagoon]

the answer is yes

it increments

[void void]

You can check history of the bot messages

[frosty pebble]

Why didn't the bot reply to me lol. Is there a command for it?

[twin lagoon]

.eta

[frosty pebble]

Ah

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[twin lagoon]

wait no that triggers korobi

1.17 when

[minor badge]

you have roles Michael

[twin lagoon]

o

[night forum]

1.17 when?!?!?!?!?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 287 hours...

[night forum]

❤️

[frosty pebble]

It's been asked 287 times?

[night forum]

i really like the counter

[frosty pebble]

That's cool

[golden gust]

It started from a higher number based on some earlier gag

[minor badge]

Problem is that you won't get any updates nonetheless, though, only when it's actually out. That also happens in #announcements, not #❗-1-17 ^^

[golden gust]

But, apparently it's also been dropped a few times too, so, yolo

[twin lagoon]

time to upgrade to java 16, --illegal-access=permit to the rescue

[golden gust]

fix ur shit michael

[twin lagoon]

no

[golden gust]

FIX UR SHIT

I WILL IGNITE THEE

[twin lagoon]

[twilit quarry]

got it 👍

[unkempt drift]

Michael out here promoting lawlessness

[golden gust]

MACHINE, I SWEAR TO GOD

[twilit quarry]

Good luck with the update though!

[unkempt drift]

🙂

[golden gust]

wow machine, wow

I thought Z was bad, but, you've hit the mark

[frosty pebble]

Will these boxes be ticked or are they more like bullet points? (Never used GitHub before)

[golden gust]

they can be ticked

[vernal moth]

They are meant to be ticked, yeah

[golden gust]

We make no commitment to ensuring that that is 100% updated however

[vernal moth]

No idea if anyone actually bothers to in a timely manner

[twin lagoon]

alright let's head back to java 11

[golden gust]

[twin lagoon]

i just want https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8204089

[vernal moth]

That is not a java issue Michael

Post the full stack trace

[twin lagoon]

i am well aware

[vernal moth]

I blame dum dum plugins

[twin lagoon]

can't be bothered to look into it though

[wispy blade]

while (paper1-17out == false) {
  eta = eta + 1;
}```

[shell vine]

Eta

[swift root]

>:(

[waxen schooner]

100 years

That's your ETA

Lol

[swift root]

hey pencil I think I'd like to add another hour to when 1.17 releases

pencil? when does 1.17 come out

damn

[timber sentinel]

when pencil

[swift root]

hey pencil I think I'd like to add another hour to when 1.17 paper is out and releases

[timber sentinel]

do i need to include when and 1.17 in my message

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 288 hours...

[waxen schooner]

Watch md_5 make another complaint about kiddies whining about Spigot not updating fast enough like we got with 1.16 lol

[swift root]

ah looks like it just ignores me

do i need to include when and 1.17 in my message

yep

[wispy blade]

larry immune to being shunned

B)

[swift root]

not a bad deal

[lime oak]

bias >:(

[wispy blade]

no

larry's just cool

[swift root]

you say mean things and I will bring up your embarrassment at the battle of skribbl

like napoleon to waterloo

[royal kernel]

So if I say when 1.17 launches it will be epic, pencil still adds one

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 289 hours...

[swift root]

yes!

[lime oak]

:(

i was still second place

and we all know that second is the best

[swift root]

down by enough points to feed a nation in poverty

[wispy blade]

yes

[lime oak]

who's the mean one now

[swift root]

officer it was in self defense

[wispy blade]

me

[cosmic raft]

lush caves are nice

[lime oak]

:o

[royal kernel]

Nice

[wispy blade]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just me or do the forums not have a report button

nvm i wasnt logged in

classic naomi moment.

mhm

[lime oak]

yup

[wispy blade]

makes sense but im just not very smart

[void void]

Is that with the datapack or only vanilla?

[wispy blade]

datapack obv

[void void]

ah i see

[cosmic raft]

neither

[void void]

o h

[lime oak]

he built it himself block by block

[wispy blade]

chad

[small panther]

Hello

I wanna start an smp with my mates on 1.17 as soon as possible

would it be a good idea

to start it on 1.17 spigot since that comes out before paper

then switch it to paper once it releases 1.17

?

[wispy blade]

if it's just an smp use vanilla

[small panther]

with

mcmmo

i mean

[wispy blade]

if you want to start asap, i guess you could go with spigot

[small panther]

no problems would arise from switching from spigot to paper after like 3 days however long paper takes right?

[mental meadow]

nope

[small panther]

nope as in no problems would arise right

[minor badge]

We cannot guarantee there will be no problems off the bat, but after a week or two of stabilising, it should work 100% fine. Chances are it will also work fine to start off, though

[void void]

hi

[meager tusk]

Ok

Thank you for clarifying Mari

[minor badge]

Ok

[warped prairie]

1.17 was released

When will Paper support it?

[mental meadow]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[warped prairie]

Ok then

When will Spigot support 1.17?

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 291 hours...

[twin lagoon]

same story

[tropic flame]

lord christ

[warped prairie]

Ok sorry I won't ask again

[potent fossil]

[median wing]

291 hours...

[vernal moth]

291 times somebody annoyed us

[warped prairie]

Wait is this real?

Should I trigger the bot again to see if it actually increases?

[mental meadow]

the counter?`yeah it increases

[upbeat falcon]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 292 hours...

[vernal moth]

Let's not spam the bot

But yes, it's real