do i look like a bathtub expert?
#general
worn ember
wispy blade
||i think he died in the show||
marble lark
One's Java and C/C++ the other is PHP and Python
no other IDE works properly on my PC
wispy blade
LOL
marble lark
unfortunately
marble lark
already tried
wispy blade
or notepad++ for crying out loud
worn ember
eh, eclipse isnt bad
marble lark
Eclipse is still decent enough for Java tbh
although it can't compete with the better ones
the PHP one is bad tho
wispy blade
"pc"
battery charging icon
marble lark
Whatever I call it a PC lol
left swift
||i think he died in the show||
No he didnt
left swift
worn ember
lmao
left swift
Broken legs perhaps
unkempt drift
theres actually two people in there
left swift
😳 😳 😳
formal turret
yes, they're drowning
wispy blade
deviantart level photoshop ngl
left swift
Nah maybe their just decoy legs so maybe if someone sneaks up and tries to shackle his feet he can just get up and run away cuz thry shackled the fake feet instead
worn ember
hate when i get shackled out of my hot tub
left swift
Dont yall hot tub with decoy legs in case of emergency??
wispy blade
no cuz i dont have a hot tub
worn ember
i have several questions
wispy blade
Sadge
worn ember
noice
worn ember
can confirm
left swift
Smh
wispy blade
chunky like my ass
worn ember
left swift
wispy blade
left swift
Looks old
worn ember
old people music
left swift
Fonkee
worn ember
banging hard is my specialty
left swift
worn ember
left swift
Wow "womanmoment"
worn ember
i think its hilarious how their first reaction is to record it instead of telling her lol
left swift
I think the story on that video is it's a novelty water hose lol
Who fkin knows tho it's the internet
worn ember
magic river
Why is blonde in the title? 😛
wispy blade
cuz blondes are stupid 🙄
worn ember
obvious reasons
brave radish
I don't think it's ever "supposed" to be down
fallow tapir
Well... steam is supposed to be down on Tuesdays. Didn't know if bukkit had something similar.
unkempt drift
@void void
formal turret
cf is having issues again like last week
fallow tapir
Guess this is a good excuse to take a break. I need to either figure out a way to manually reroute nether portals or figure out if multiverse netherportals does that automatically.
I've been using
Bukkit.dispatchCommand(Bukkit.getConsoleSender(), String.format("mvnp link nether %s %s", name, name_nether));
Bukkit.dispatchCommand(Bukkit.getConsoleSender(), String.format("mvnp link nether %s %s", name_nether, name));
but would like a better method.
brave radish
Multiverse doesn't have an API?
fallow tapir
They do but I don't know how to use it if I don't have the internet.
brave radish
why would it require network access?
brave radish
I mean maybe it does but I'd assume not
fallow tapir
@brave radish it doesn't require network access, i do. lol
worn ember
the wiki has a dev section
unkempt drift
how are you talking on discord without internet access?
brave radish
But... you have internet access because you're talking to us, so wdym?
fallow tapir
I was referring to cf being down and not being able to access the bukkit forum page I usually use for MV info.
brave radish
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
worn ember
https://github.com/Multiverse/Multiverse-Core/wiki/API-Usages-(NetherPortals) i think this is what you want
unkempt drift
or ya that
worn ember
idk why everyone is obsessed with java docs, they tell you fuck all if you dont know what you're looking for
fallow tapir
How.. the hell.. does Google cache everything?
worn ember
they crawl through the web and index everything
fallow tapir
idk why everyone is obsessed with java docs, they tell you fuck all if you dont ...
I'm in between knowing what to look for and knowing how to use it.
void void
fallow tapir
I know what's important when I see it. I just don't know what to do with that information.
brave radish
idk why everyone is obsessed with java docs, they tell you fuck all if you dont ...
works perfectly fine for Bukkit
if you know the API's structure you can guess the names
worn ember
ah yes bukkit and sane names go hand in hand
brave radish
well they're searchable names at least
does a command throwing an exception in the console instead of a normal error message qualify as a bug?
worn ember
depends on the purpose of the command, but generally, you dont want end users to see exceptions
fallow tapir
Look at me, Mavening some API shit into my IDE...
I feel powerful. I feel dangerous.
brave radish
generally vanilla commands don't throw exceptions though
limber knotBOT
wispy blade
player executed server command x?
fallow tapir
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/561287494075678721/i...
cant make plugin, no links just code thx
karmic harness
Wyd after smoking this
karmic harness
Perhaps
wind geyser
have there been anymore bans in the past couple days?
besides people threatening me?
as a joke
waxen panther
what
limpid comet
@waxen panther make a funny, jester
waxen panther
sorry, GAMING.
limpid comet
ur fired
worn ember
sorry, GAMING.
ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING
worn ember
seeing others suffer is my happiness fuel
wind geyser
glad to see that this makes you happy
worn ember
also 1.8 pleb, that makes me less happy
worn ember
permaban
wind geyser
I have a joke
I would be on 1.16 a lot more if my friends would actually join my server :(
also, I'm still waiting for 1.16 HCF
worn ember
i mean, that was like 2012-2014 for me
formal turret
"hey bro, why'd you shut down the server, i was about to play on there!"
worn ember
every time
wind geyser
i mean, that was like 2012-2014 for me
I didn't have a server back then. My server is literally my first computer
I would've still had my first computer back in 2012, nor would I be able to pay for a hosting provider back then
wind geyser
"hey bro, why'd you shut down the server, i was about to play on there!"
I could see this happening, but the only two people that really join are me and my best friend
2 people out of 7 people total
including me in the 2 and the 7
one friend hasn't even joined the server yet
wind geyser
"hey bro, why'd you shut down the server, i was about to play on there!"
I could see this happening tbh
but I could probably work on it behind the scenes and try to figure out a way where I can get more people to play
since it's hosted locally
potent fossil
Z friended me on discord, that's it boys I made it. I can die happy now
(I'm using 'boys' very gender neutrally there, everyone is boys)
fallow tapir
I am impressed with how well paper handled me chunkloading 8k chunks
I'm running at 13.5 mspt currently. Normally it runs at ~4 mspt so it's definitely a performance hit but well under 50ms.
Is there a way I can detect if paper is done loading all my chunks?
Currently, it's done async so there's no easy way for me to know when it's done.
lament patio
Wait until you test on Tuinity
fallow tapir
What is Tuinity
fallow tapir
o.O I just want something that works. I'm already using paper instead of spigot.
lament patio
I don't understand what you're doing tbh
How, exactly, are you loading those chunks?
fallow tapir
Consumer<Chunk> consumer = chunk -> {
Bukkit.getLogger().info("Chunk loaded at " + chunk.getX() + "x " + chunk.getZ() + "z for world '" + name + "'.");
chunk.setForceLoaded(true);
};
for (float x = minX; x <= maxX + 15; x += 16) {
int cx = (int) Math.floor(x / 16);
for (float z = minZ; z <= maxZ + 15; z += 16) {
int cz = (int) Math.floor(z / 16);
world.getChunkAtAsync(new Location(world, cx * 16, 0, cz * 16), true, consumer);
}
}
Ah ok this discussion is for #paper-dev then, you'll prob get better answers about it there :p
fallow tapir
There's no questions or answers, they were just asking how I did a thing
potent fossil
Yeah you were asking about how to detect when it's finished though, soooo
Whatever tho lmao
fallow tapir
Oh. Uhh
brave radish
you see when it's done because it calls your consumer
waxen panther
potent fossil
hi brocc
waxen panther
hei !
potent fossil
what's a regi
potent fossil
limpid comet
Pokemon
potent fossil
Just never heard of those pokemon lol
warm anchor
Wtf
limpid comet
the night is fucked
there's also some mod that makes infinite mobs spawn in the nether
that's cool
waxen panther
how can people use unactivated windows without going insane
unkempt drift
umm no smooth lighting? gross
worn ember
i love whatever mod it was that adds smoke particles to everything
until you have 50 of them and run at 3fps
limpid comet
im just gonna throw them in a big box and hopefully ignore them
worn ember
reminds me of the old mekanism, machines would constantly light updates every tick
worn ember
and the good old multistructures breaking if they crossed chunkborders
limpid comet
limpid comet
ITS A GOOD GAME
unkempt drift
That was a thing like… 5 years ago
limpid comet
day 1 account 
limpid comet
im the best kind of mobile gamer, the f2p
ruby ridge
toilet
limpid comet
ok
true canyon
@limpid comet nice!
limpid comet
brave radish
It's an interesting game technologically
It also never worked, at least when I played it, and, from what I've heard, didn't get much better
Their auth servers used to go down more than Mojang's
limpid comet
its very much better now lmao
it was shit for the first bit, but i've not ran into any bugs/bad servers for years
waxen panther
@unkempt drift HEY YOU
fierce narwhal
can we ban people from making more /fly plugins and uploading them to spigot mc
fierce narwhal
and this useless crap
fierce narwhal
because this is papermc, not spigotmc
well yeah got that far
potent fossil
why complain about it here, we can't do anything about it :P
fierce narwhal
its a waste of evreything
spare venture
this isnt even spigot
potent fossil
oh hey its bart
fierce narwhal
more people reeling at the bleeding edge of infuriation of these crap plugins the better
potent fossil
spare venture
guess theyre not getting my business, 6 calls later
spare venture
yea im pretty bummed
warm anchor
trust me they dotn care lol
the one in my local are so busy
they dont give a shit about losing sale from those call ins
worn ember
a year later
void void
can somebody guess when will paper 1.17 come out?
left swift
It's out already bro
void void
WHAT
left swift
Where u been
void void
lol didn't know
void void
is this joke or truth?
brave radish
it's not out
void void
lol
brave radish
vanilla 1.17 isn't even out
void void
almost fell
brave radish
@left swift is just strange
warm anchor
wow that's rude
warm anchor
he's not just strange. He's also special
brave radish
lol they did just say 1.17 is out
warm anchor
worn ember
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See #❗-1-17) Paper for 1.17 will be released when it's released. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 162 hours...
left swift
I don't even know how to respond to you right now zombie
U broke my heart saying that
I cant believe after 24 years
worn ember
wait does it count up every time you type it?
worn ember
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See #❗-1-17) Paper for 1.17 will be released when it's released. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 162 hours...
(See #❗-1-17) Paper for 1.17 will be released when it's released. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 162 hours...
brave radish
I would like to know the the eta on the eta on the bot incrementing that counter. Machine asked for the eta but didn't get an answer so I'm asking for an eta on the eta
left swift
brave radish
Kashike's I think
jade flax
worn ember
sulu i think
warm anchor
sulu has pencil
brave radish
@upbeat falcon is sulu's
worn ember
ur a pencil
warm anchor
simple has paperchan
left swift
Z owns some tacos
brave radish
I was about to say that
void void
can somebody tell me what is waterfall
worn ember
bungee but better
wraith trail
yeah basically
void void
how can servers even jump
void void
ok
worn ember
poxy
wraith trail
something that can let you jump between servers
worn ember
no
wraith trail
not really, waterfall isn't a server
worn ember
thats not how that works
wraith trail
there is some extra api but not the paper api
wraith trail
good idea
worn ember
basically your proxy routes all players to the correct server
void void
oh ok
worn ember
and you can hook up multiple servers together so the proxy can switch you between them
ancient bolt
I really hate how everything is loud
Can't go to a restaurant or a bar or literally anywhere without a ridiculous amount of noise and stupidly loud music playing
who the fuck likes this shit
it's terrible
worn ember
maybe you got sensory overload?
brave radish
Maybe he has functioning ears and went to a modern restaurant
worn ember
impossibruh
ancient bolt
so you enjoy going to a restaurant where you have to speak louder than normal speaking volume to talk to your friends?
ancient bolt
or just in general you enjoy loud music playing that you didn't pick, or have any control of the volume
yeah im not talking about clubs
and i would never go to a club anyways
worn ember
i dont without earplugs
left swift
Invest in a nice dining room set then you can bring the restaurant home
ancient bolt
im talking about just literally any modern hipster restaurant with """atmosphere""" where the atmosphere is just stupid fucking music playing way too loud
worn ember
havent had any issues with loud music in a restaurant tho
ancient bolt
Dinner parties are fun, but I am not really into the idea of having to do that any time I want to go out with some friends
worn ember
usually its just the radio playing softly in the background, if at all
worn ember
belgium, 😉
warm anchor
Ded is just deaf that's why all music is soft for him
ancient bolt
the only places I know of that have soft / reasonable music / noise are the expensive places that you can only really go to if you're dressed up and it's a special occasion
worn ember
odd
ancient bolt
and coffee shops, but those are just for coffee
left swift
Ded doesn't have to worry about loud music cuz belgium doesnt have good music to blast
ancient bolt
can't really sit down and have a meal at a coffee shop
worn ember
seems like the most normal thing here lol, never even considered it could be different
brave radish
Ya know all these Hollywood hackers that do stupid things like making redlights green? Someone should make a movie where some dude strolls through town turning off people's music when its too loud
ancient bolt
my SO used to live 2 blocks from a bar and sometimes the music would be so loud it would keep her up at night
worn ember
lol, thats what we do at parties we provide audio equipement for, if it starts clipping the amp shuts down
they usually only go over it once 😉
left swift
Was the rent cheap atleast or was it more cuz it was close to a bar
ancient bolt
probably more, apartments near city centers are expensive af
left swift
Probably way more lol
spare venture
restaurants that blast music are definitely bad
worn ember
bars dont usually play music here
well some do, but those are like "party bars" lol
not your general pubs
spare venture
ye
brave radish
qarty bars
spare venture
same here
left swift
Why would you want to talk when u want to eat food tho that's all I'm saying
ancient bolt
general pub would be great, but that's not really something that exists in america
left swift
Talking is for car rides and the bedroom
ancient bolt
you sound boring
worn ember
seems like a general lack of common sense is a thing in murica
spare venture
wat? Those are just dive bars haha
spare venture
Like most bars are definitely like that here, at least
ancient bolt
tru
brave radish
seems like a general lack of common sense is a thing in murica
bout time DED understands this country
lapis marlin
this is an insanely loaded question BUT
left swift
Oh boy
ancient bolt
here in the US people seem to think not playing loud music == boring
lapis marlin
what is in your opinion the best anticheat
ancient bolt
what is *in your opinion* the best anticheat
turning off your server
left swift
Gottem
lapis marlin
LMAO
ancient bolt
can't cheat if you can't play
potent fossil
lul
left swift
Idk the new wendy anticheat is nice
worn ember
i'm all for playing music, but nothing more annoying than trying to have a convo and having to shout over the music
spare venture
that’s what I did with my rust server so I don’t get raided
worn ember
what about mcdo anticheat?
ancient bolt
i'm all for playing music, but nothing more annoying than trying to have a convo...
I mean that's what I'm complaining about yeah. It's not that every place is like that it's just that it seems to be more popular right now (where I live) to be like that vs not
brave radish
i'm all for playing music, but nothing more annoying than trying to have a convo...
go to every corporation in America and tell them this plz
worn ember
sounds like a found a hole in the market
worn ember
american dream, here i come
unkempt drift
@waxen panther you are fired
lapis marlin
finally
left swift
I'm a better jester then sleepy brocc
lapis marlin
I am a furry 😭
brave radish
american dream, here i come
Yes. Come open a new chain of restaurants just like Chipotle except they don't play dumb music
left swift
Dont ping me u monster
lapis marlin
smh
left swift
Someone get an acid spray bottle
lapis marlin
ew one of those guys
worn ember
i should name it "It's actually good"
left swift
It's on the table again
worn ember
lapis marlin
EWWW
warm anchor
STAPH
left swift
I remember u now last time I saw you typing in here was when 1.16 released
warm anchor
DELETE THIS
worn ember
left swift
Eternity gonna have nightmares
lapis marlin
I remember u now last time I saw you typing in here was when 1.16 released
i dont talk here much, either i get bored and come here or i come here about plugin / waterfall support mostly
lol
worn ember
good
warm anchor
Why is he signel us to share???
worn ember
cuz he wants you to shit together
left swift
You scared eternity so much they forgot how to use english
worn ember
Yes
lapis marlin
now im confused
worn ember
Why is he signel us to share???
You want some product? Only 50 gold
left swift
Advertising
worn ember
its good product
lapis marlin
ban for ads!!!!!!!
left swift
oh wait wtf I have a spray bottle emote
worn ember
lapis marlin
yes
left swift
So fast 😫
worn ember
left swift
warm anchor
its good product
just die once, full mana again 
left swift
Is that how to get mana
left swift
Yikes
left swift
Like super yikes
subtle hedge
anyways
worn ember
Kbye
subtle hedge
Ok that's enough paper discord for today goodbye
bye
worn ember
Go get mana by deding
subtle hedge
warm anchor
CUTE
Cant wait for Discord Sticker to be out of beta
we can have paper chan in sticker size 
worn ember
Bigger = better
warm anchor
unless it's your student loan 
brave radish
or a low-res image of paperchan
magic river
warm anchor
limpid comet
So how's everyone on this fine eve
vestal jasper
meh
potent fossil
merp
limpid comet
hallow stone
Hello... I need to call attention to a growing problem.... I run a Minecraft server and it's constantly in danger of being hacked because there isn't any code to prevent hackers done by Mojang.
Please go and vote for my thread on mojangs website, this is critical!! This isn't a player problem it's an server operater problem, we need better security to provide a better experience for our users!
Please click here, login, and vote for my post PLEASE!
And THX!!!
ripe sphinx
yeah gl lol
left swift
that isn't mojang's job AT ALL
ripe sphinx
and besides just get an anticheat ^
magic river
The only way Mojang could solve it is DRM and a rootkit to stop you from tampering with the client at all
left swift
imagine kernal level anticheat on minecraft game
magic river
Well, they could redesign the protocol to make some cheats less effective or impossible but they couldn't stop xray and similar things
night finch
don't really know what the modes are
just don't send the inside of chunks until they are visible
that mode
magic river
Mode 1 replaces ores with stone, mode 2 replaces everything that isn't exposed to air into random blocks
magic river
Mode 1 you can still xray caves and such
night finch
replace everything not exposed to air with stone
or just replace it with nothing and render a void before it loads in
I think mojang just doesn't really have any priority for preventing cheats
magic river
Nope, because Mojang doesn't care about public servers
night finch
I wish they would remove their useless flycheck, moved too quick, and block-distance checks too
magic river
They'll occasionally do some things to make sure they don't screw them up or add something they ask for but their primary audience is single player and Realms users playing pure vanilla or datapacks
formal turret
lol i've been wanting to make mods that interface with plugins but feedback posts like that make think people would use them to ban players if they see they're using fabric
spare venture
I genuinely thought you meant your server was in danger of being hacked
Not fucking cheaters LOL
night finch
why would you ban players using fabric
magic river
They're more likely to do things to make it easier for you to fix it yourself
hallow stone
imagine kernal level anticheat on minecraft game
Exactly
formal turret
idk, it's seemingly becoming a more prevalent thought in recent years to just ban people using any mod loader
magic river
They gave you the mappings, you have the code, do it yourself 😛
night finch
that doesn't even make any sense
formal turret
er, recent years being the past 2 years
night finch
wurst and forgehacks and whatever mask the modloader network packets
hallow stone
I just want people to adhere to server rules... Idc what people do elsewhere...
night finch
if you ban forge/fabric from their handshake then you're literally only banning legit players
formal turret
many server owners are crazy lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
magic river
That feedback post is asking for something that modded clients would bypass by default
hallow stone
I don't run an anarchy server....
night finch
I mean it's not like these cheats are private just install wurst and join your server where you banned fabric and you can plainly see it doesn't work
magic river
Why would I go out of my way to report to the server that my cheat client is a cheat client
I'd just leave the part alone where the client claims to be vanilla
formal turret
yea, lol do better admin work
hallow stone
In fact I'm a parent andhost for kids... Would you want to protect ur users like your own kids?
formal turret
watch the players that you think are cheating
night finch
If your own kids are cheating then ground them or something don't install an anticheat what
hallow stone
whitelist the server
I have a job irl.. I can't 24/7
formal turret
get a trustworthy kid to do whitelist applications when you're not around
night finch
It's like, your suggestion is nice and all but not it's not trivial
left swift
This like the same mentality of parents getting mad at online websites showing their kids inappropriate stuff and demanding they cater to their whims instead of the parents doing a better job monitoring what their kids are using lol
hallow stone
So all I'm hearing is excuses... And not.. why not give it a chance...
night finch
If you want to give it a chance install a publicly available anticheat
There are plenty
magic river
Their suggestion already exists and can be bypassed by doing less work in your mod
night finch
you will see they don't work that well
night finch
Yes, and anything Mojang adds won't work 100% either
hallow stone
They do help .. but not foolproof
formal turret
that's where your discretion comes in
magic river
I'm not asking for anticheat or anti hack built in, but, can we please make it easier for servers to detect and call out users
night finch
Even games where the developer controls end-to-end the client and server like Valorant and they have whole divisions of people dedicated to anticheat, don't prevent hackers 100%
formal turret
they're there to aid you
left swift
night finch
Anticheat and detecting cheaters are equivalent on a technical level
magic river
I'm quoting them 😛
night finch
I realize
hallow stone
Mc has a sandbox mode... Why do people need kill aura anyway
night finch
I don't even know what your question is anymore
magic river
Because they want to bully everyone else
ripe sphinx
because getting more internet points give them sastisfaction
waxen panther
paper should just like, be better 😎
night finch
is this just a rant about cheaters? Cheaters cheat because they want to be the best, or they want to bully, or whatever
hallow stone
They cheat themselves.... They should try to be legit and earn it
night finch
Honestly I'm of totally the opposite opinion, Mojang clearly has no idea how to make a good anticheat and I wish they would remove their existing checks like the block break distance a flycheck
magic river
I spent a couple years thinking about how to block cheaters and fixing what I could in CraftBukkit, there is only so much you can do before you start breaking the game
left swift
brocc should be better
magic river
anticheat plugins break the game so go further than the server could but they still aren't enough
night finch
@magic river I'm a fan of anticheats that don't modify the game's behaviour at all
magic river
Those are called CraftBukkit 😛
night finch
imo anticheat should analyze a player's packets and behaviour, and once it has enough certainty that they're cheating it can ban
magic river
If there is an exploit fix that doesn't change behavior it should be in the server, not in a plugin
magic river
Oh, you mean doing analysis instead of prevention
waxen panther
i think paper should ship a full neural network for detecting cheaters in a block game 🙂
vestal jasper
@waxen panther e
magic river
You want VAC
waxen panther
@vestal jasper hi there mister
vestal jasper
hi there mister
spare venture
yes pls ban all the hackers
night finch
every anticheat I use I make sure to disable all the rubber-banding behaviour and such that I can
magic river
My one attempt at detecting non-vanilla movement packet sending was a pretty big failure, too many edge cases due to TCP or client bugs that cause random bits of packet spam
night finch
it ruins the experience of legit players and cheaters don't need to have the instantaneous feedback of knowing their cheat doesn't work
merry talon
Fairly sure that's how hypixel does it
magic river
It's easier to detect invalid movement vs invalid movement packets
spare venture
design the game so you don’t need to worry about cheating
warm anchor
why cant you just run a whitelist and have their parent send in an application for their kids to join
how is this hard?
magic river
But I wanted it all 😛
night finch
it turns out stupid people are more likely to turn their cheat settings up if they think the anticheat is not detecting them 🤣
spare venture
Or only have trustworthy players
warm anchor
which is what I just suggested
spare venture
Like on my server idgaf if people are cheating that much tbh
hallow stone
Considering java 16 upcoming... Hacks and cheats vs anti hack and anti cheat r gonna be a new battle
spare venture
All they do is ruin their own experience
night finch
It's easier to detect invalid movement vs invalid movement packets
What's the difference?
night finch
Considering java 16 upcoming... Hacks and cheats vs anti hack and anti cheat r g...
Java 16 has little to nothing to do with cheats
waxen panther
lol what. java 16 isnt going to change anything
magic river
Not a ton but a spam of packets that doesn't actually move you is probably just the client bugging out
spare venture
Didn’t you hear Java 16 built in anticheat 😳 but only if you pay Oracle $1337
hallow stone
Java 16 has little to nothing to do with cheats
Anything legacy is gonna die
night finch
I don't know what you're talking about
ancient bolt
Anything legacy is gonna die
wat
warm anchor
Didn’t you hear Java 16 built in anticheat 😳 but only if you pay Oracle $1337
Do you know Java16 blocks java illegal reflective access! built in anticheat! /s
night finch
Java is generally backwards compatible, making outdated cheats work with java 16 should be fairly trivial
spare venture
That’s how they were hacking on my server!
night finch
max you have to do is probably --add-opens
hallow stone
Java 16 is a completely different level of code
night finch
Java 16 is a completely different level of code
You're just completely wrong, not sure what to say
magic river
I was trying to make a thing that would allow exactly as many packets as vanilla would send in a worst case scenario plus a buffer when you didn't send enough packets to handle TCP-caused delays
hallow stone
It's gonna break a ton... I can't wait, but also alot of rewrite gonna happen
warm anchor
Is this some really high level troll or I am just dumb?
magic river
I kept finding cases where vanilla sent more packets than my maximum
spare venture
Fortunately it is still java and they don’t change that much between versions that would break your shit, at least without a ton of warnings in advance
magic river
By the time I random out of cases that broke I was allowing like 200 movement packets a second
May as well not bother at that point
hallow stone
I already tried to run my server on java 16.. nope... Not compatible...
night finch
I was trying to make a thing that would allow exactly as many packets as vanilla...
Yea this approach is not gonna work, because the packets aren't timestamped
warm anchor
magic river
They don't need to by timestamped, you just need to allow an up to 30 second buffer
waxen panther
Just because you have a plugin that doesn't work on java 16, that doesnt mean anything to do with anticheats will change?
night finch
I already tried to run my server on java 16.. nope... Not compatible...
You're completely misinformed, there are only minor changes that need to be made to become compatible with java 16, speaking as a java developer
magic river
(that's how long before the server times you out)
spare venture
my job fired me because I didn’t know Java 16 only Java 1.8.0_51 😔
waxen panther
im still waiting for amaranth to make minecraft two ☹️
spare venture
they’ve had years to make it so it wouldn’t break
magic river
Some plugins doing extra crazy things with loading code and really invasive reflection will break
vestal jasper
have you reported the issues you found to the respective parties
magic river
Hopefully they've updated by now but some won't
spare venture
^^ and or don’t use bad plugins. Or update them because they might already be updated for it
hallow stone
Most coders don't want to hear it.. well... 1.17 is getting closer...
night finch
They don't need to by timestamped, you just need to allow an up to 30 second buf...
not really following. if you receive a bunch of packets late it will appear that you are receiving a large amount of packets in a short time-frame, even though the client didn't send them that fast
magic river
6 months ago you could find a lot that would break, maybe even 3 months ago
warm anchor
btw since you are here. @magic river
https://drama.essentialsx.net/eyJzZW50ZW5jZSI6NjQsInBlb3BsZSI6WzEwXSwidGhpbmdzIjpbNjldfQ==
night finch
or are you saying that the vanilla client can sustain 200 movement packets per second for an extended period of time?
magic river
not really following. if you receive a bunch of packets late it will appear that...
Sure which is why you allow a buffer to build up. If due to packet loss or something I only got 10 packets from you in the last second then 10 are missing so I add them to your buffer of allowed packets
The 200 thing was a glitch with positioning on the edge of a block and jumping, or something
The client would actually send 200 packets a second or so, I was testing with the client and server on the same computer
night finch
ah
mojank
a cheat that just sends a lot of packets isn't that useful though, I would try detecting too fast movement patterns or something
magic river
I did at least get most things involving the player to run on the server tick and not on the player movement packet
I think vanilla ended up making most of those changes too
night finch
I don't understand that
magic river
Before that players got ticked as a part of processing their movement packet
night finch
why do most anticheats run on the server tick
can you not just queue the incoming packets and process them on another thread?
magic river
Didn't send a packet? Your damage cooldown didn't tick
No no, I mean you know how entities tick, right?
night finch
sure I write mods
magic river
Block grow, mob burn, monster move, etc
Players used to only do all of that when a movement packet came in
You could just stop sending movement packets and be invincible (you couldn't move but whatever, just turn it off after the idiot trying to attack you dies)
night finch
huh
magic river
They could do the opposite too, drink a regen potion then spam movement packets and regen really fast
These are the kind of fixes I was talking about for blocking exploits without changing behavior
warm anchor
let's just say Minecraft isnt make for competitive pvp at all.
magic river
Technically that is a behavior change but not one a client will ever notice and it was a bug anyway
night finch
Yea, that's a sensible thing to fix
magic river
Yeah, the real solution is to turn PVP off
night finch
on the other hand, I do think that cheaters are a lot more likely to turn on their obvious cheats if they think it's not detected
and it's much more preferable to me to have someone regen really fast for a few minutes, get detected, and permanently banned
magic river
Yeah, if you have the staff to monitor such things having systems that just detect cheats is a better idea
They'll crank them up once they think you don't have any anticheat which makes for obvious bans
If I can fix a bug without breaking things for non-cheating users I'll always pick that though
warm anchor
just turn pvp off 👍
night finch
no regard for pvp servers smh
plus doesn't fix fly hacks or xray or anything on an smp for example
when I ran an smp the amount of people who would use movement cheats think they were undetectable was ludicrous
warm anchor
cant relate. I run whitelist server so everyone knows everyone. We just be chilling
the roleplay aspect of MC is the best part of it. Anything pvp is just pure toxic
untold copper
day 2 of trying to get abs:
Can't feel my legs and arms are shaking
ripe sphinx
well and as usual while it may be hard for an automated system to detect it, it's usually quite blatant if you just have a staff member check on everyone every 30 minutes or whatever
night finch
bruh if you run a whitelist server you're in no place to talk about the usefulness of anticheat
warm anchor
day 2 of trying to get abs:
Can't feel my legs and arms are shaking
hello snoopa your abs is location on your chest not your leg
night finch
well and as usual while it may be hard for an automated system to detect it, it'...
This is not true for ghost cheats like reach and aim assist
untold copper
it was lower body + core workout
night finch
or autoclicker
waxen panther
competitive mc gotta be the most boring thing on earth
actually no
not quite as boring as technical mc
untold copper
smh
night finch
competitive mc gotta be the most boring thing on earth
:\
untold copper
"technical" 
warm anchor
brocco dissing my sciCraft homie???
waxen panther
😬
ripe sphinx
autoclicker easy to detect automatically, reach is usually pretty obvious...aim assist fair enough
waxen panther
just put on a marriage plugin and call it a day 
warm anchor
and Gsit
night finch
autoclicker easy to detect automatically, reach is usually pretty obvious...aim ...
autoclicker is the hardest cheat to detect, it's practically undetectable, what?
waxen panther
warm anchor
CANT HAVE MARRIAGE WITHOUT GSIT
ripe sphinx
disclaimer: not an anticheat expert
untold copper
ok i go rest because i am dying
warm anchor
Snoopa I am sad to inform you everyone is dying... just in different rate
night finch
reach is the most obvious but also not easy to detect, especially if they have extremely low reach extension
these three I actually looked into trying to make an anticheat for and you have to really rely on statistical analysis and probabilities there's no certainty
ripe sphinx
yeah exactly, same with a bunch of movement hacks I believe. Difficult to detect programatically, but one glance by a human and you know without a doubt they're hacking
night finch
autoclicker is so difficult because autoclicker programs can just introduce noise and it looks perfectly human
most movement hacks are quite easy to detect with certainty
although some major server (cough hypixel) somehow miserably fail to do it
warm anchor
all my homie hangout in hypickle
waxen panther
true
spare venture
what do you have against gsit
waxen panther
who has something against gsit
eternity is making a joke where you can use /lay and /sit together + the marriage plugin and its 
spare venture
oh
warm anchor
😉
spare venture
yeah marriage plugins are the worst
warm anchor
the best?? all my homie marry each other in game
spare venture
ya nothing like throwing marriage onto a server with a mix of children, teenagers, and adults
practically skittles mc smh
waxen panther
maybe on your tiktok server smh
spare venture
well I don’t have marriage for that reason, it’s inappropriate on a kids game
spare venture
warm anchor
my server is vetted only the most mature and bestest guys and girls allowed 😎
shell vine
can kill ppl with a sword tho 🤨
left swift
Poly marriage and ender dragon later? 😳
tribal ravine
vernal moth
Paper is celebrating pride month, if that's am issue for you, I can show you the door
potent fossil
sigh
untold copper
sed
limber knotBOT
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[09:18:14] -Korobi- Illegal command name. Command names must start with an alphanumeric character.
wow, that's like... anti... erm... somethingist
quasi valley
I agree with korobi, that video is definitely illegal
twin lagoon
@warm anchor 
golden gust
Kneny, for one, she's 9k years old, so, you're lewding somebody older than your granny, and, ALLLLSSSOOOOOO
She's cuwute
quasi valley
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i like this new cat
twin lagoon
mari 
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mari <:PepeHeart2:763075310576467978>
golden gust
Depends
like, if you're just fucking around, latest gets you new features
only massive pro of LTSes is that fixes are backported to it
wispy blade
why would you release a beta for prod 🤔
vernal moth
yeah thats kinda dum, latest = latest for prod
golden gust
only real caveat of sticking to latest is that you get the potential for a breakage on each major release, e.g. removing deprecated API, etc
only reason to stick to LTSes generally is that the man power to keep your stack updated is too damned high (which is generally bad anyways)
vernal moth
my company sticks to LTS. we run 2k+ services in 4+ different environments
golden gust
E N T E R P R I S E
vernal moth
but we actually update to new java releases inside of a LTS
golden gust
how do y'all deal with LTSes disappearing from support?
Guess you's haven't really dealt with that one yet maybe
throw everything into the next release on test infra and pray the env doesn't blow up too hard? 😄
vernal moth
we updated everything to 11 earlier this year
and going forward we will try to keep on latest LTS
golden gust
I guess most of the headache really is gonna be dependencies really
vernal moth
I know ill be updating my shit day one 😄
wispy blade
personally i wait for like a week or 2 after major release for bugs to be found and fixed, then update
cosmic raft
if anyone is bored, two easy issues: https://github.com/PaperMC/bibliothek/issues :p
golden gust
games are just not as well tested these days and are often pushed too early to appease management and not "upset" players, with the rise of platforms like Steam being the defacto for gaming these days, or consoles, just "we'll push out a fix week after release" is too easy and too much of a norm, even for AAA titles
wispy blade
cough cough cyberpunk
ok yeah nodejs has fixes backported
LTS release status is "long-term support", which typically guarantees that critical bugs will be fixed for a total of 30 months. Production applications should only use Active LTS or Maintenance LTS releases
vernal moth
ok yeah nodejs has fixes backported
yeah, but thats meaningless when ppl don't actually update
when was the last time you updated your local java 8 or 11
wispy blade
it was just to run a small server for friends xd
like 2 years ago
and rn i have to use it to make awt applets for comp sci class 🤮
wispy blade
internet explorer
YEP
and basically we got an assignment to write a huge if else if statement
and me being me i wrote a switch statement
B)
proper isle
vernal moth
can PM me
worn ember
Smurf mini at your service
royal shadow
All these people wanting an ETA for paper 1.17, I just want to see what they come up with for the 1.17 Discord Banner
royal shadow
Well, it's nether themed, I assume it will change.
viral hornet
Would make more sense to change it at 1.18 when the caves & cliffs update is fully released 😛
But either way that nether one is nice
royal shadow
I like the nether one, could be a geode next? I dunno.
void void
hangar is now sponsored by the CCP
Chinese Child p?
royal shadow
bro it's a troll
void void
jk
viral hornet
Yeah, no shit Ellie
void void
dont take it seriosly please
viral hornet
Doesn't mean it's necessary lol
royal shadow
camm I will punch you in your cock
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hot
worn ember
@viral hornet 🥺
void void
What is ccp tho
wispy blade
boutta fight sakuya in eosd @ashen cliff give me your blessing
untold copper
combined community codec something something
viral hornet
<@171898972330262538> 🥺
🥺
viral hornet
What is ccp tho
chinese communist party
void void
twin lagoon
Ok
median cliff
hi. all project minecraft .jar like that? I make diagramma 😄
twin lagoon
there's already plenty of those oput there
twin lagoon
that one isn't even worth mentioning
it's from the ssspigot mcm developer
straight up garbage
twin lagoon
yes
void void
hi. all project minecraft .jar like that? I make diagramma 😄
Purpur is just Tuinity fork, isnt it?
viral hornet
I jsut never understand why people bother with them so much, unless they're just using it as a learning tool or something
twin lagoon
purpur is a paper fork
void void
ah ok
viral hornet
however yatopia done something that they state add 20% speed increase to generation
but that's also minimal for world gen lol
median cliff
Purpur is just Tuinity fork, isnt it?
purpur take mixed patch from tuinity to
worn ember
Yes
median cliff
there's already plenty of those oput there
hm. here don't help if guy using purpur?
twin lagoon
what
that's unrelated but yes you're not getting support here if you use something other than paper
void void
nice english
twin lagoon
my point is that someone has already made something like yours
worn ember
Paper*
twin lagoon
on the other hand, no clue where that image is
worn ember
I have it somewhere
median cliff
*nice english*
I know
worn ember
median cliff
why paper cant use new light engine?
twin lagoon
because it's not in paper
median cliff
and fixed mirror bugs
twin lagoon
if someone wants to port it sure
twin lagoon
it's pretty stable
worn ember
Starlight port will be my first patch /s
worn ember
Kek
vernal moth
Leaf code is scary
worn ember
Is it next level java?
vernal moth
He writes chongous patches
worn ember
Oh
wispy blade
chungus patches 👀
worn ember
when will minimessage be merged into paper?
saw proxi mention it on the issue tracker
vernal moth
Soonish
4.2-SNAPSHOT needs some api polish by kash, then tests, then a release, then it can go into paper
Also need to update docs
But code wise it's there now, am happy with it
Since DenWav rewrote the parser with me
worn ember
noice
void void
@twin lagoon this one?
twin lagoon
yes
viral hornet
holy shit haha
twin lagoon
camm 
royal kernel
That makes yatopia look like the best
void void
yeah but theres a note at the bottom
vernal moth
That makes yatopia look like the best
Smth smth quality over quantity
Yatopia is a hack fest
royal kernel
That seems hard implementing all those patches
Now your core team so you get to do that 😆
worn ember
now mini can merge all MM patches
royal kernel
Ive never heard of origami (the fork)
viral hornet
Should consider moving Hangar's preview to the paper domain now that you're core team, mini? https://i.imgur.com/FlLeIYQ.png
twin lagoon
not all of them are active or actively promoted
akarin is dead, origami is somewhat server-specific, hydrinity is braindead
empirecraft is as the name implies empirecraft's fork
royal kernel
Never heard of them lol
twin lagoon
yes "not all of them are active or actively promoted"
twin lagoon
spigotcraft obviously has spigot 1.17 builds yes
worn ember
mikel
twin lagoon
you trigger me
warm anchor
you trigger me
twin lagoon
vernal moth
Imagine if spigot would be an open source project and publishing the source code for snapshots
median cliff
<:AYAYARie:788407255200038912>
ehehe
twin lagoon
imagine if we hardfork
vernal moth
Should consider moving Hangar's preview to the paper domain now that you're core...
Nah, too early, we are rebuilding our infra at paper rn, or well, planning
vernal moth
imagine if we hardfork
If or when? 😂
twin lagoon
their own server
warm anchor
It’s just gonna be 12 pi4 on the new paper infra
twin lagoon
a highly modified version of spigot 1.7.10
worn ember
It’s just gonna be 12 pi4 on the new paper infra <:krappa:739867712854950009>
is it pi2 now?
warm anchor
No. Rn it’s just kashi’s old laptop in his basement
vernal moth
We wanna be fancy and use k8s
twin lagoon
good
vernal moth
They use the forums
worn ember
ohnonono
viral hornet
Ah okay
vernal moth
worn ember
discourse 
isnt that super slow? literally on any site i've seen it it takes ages to load
twin lagoon
wat
viral hornet
Ah okay, I couldn't see that on the preview page
worn ember
discourse is thats the message thing right?
vernal moth
Papers forums use discourse
viral hornet
tbh Hangar is already nicer than Paper forums 