general

[vivid ivy]

It's almost completely seamless honestly, the only thing is that the hand jitters for a second because of the teleportation

[potent fossil]

can someone smarter than me tell me what urbit is? they market it as an os but its some crypto thing, but also its existed since before crypto all at the same time?

[left swift]

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1398580576819585025?s=19

garry (@garrynewman)

There's something very pleasing about how our ragdolls are spawning right now https://t.co/PAPmYfNQcJ

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[quasi valley]

didn't know garry's mod still existed

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

Best game EU can't just vanish.

[left swift]

This is s&box for source 2

[quasi valley]

imagine CS were built on Sauce 2

[left swift]

Lol

[wispy blade]

dota is source 2 why can't csgo be source 2 😔

[left swift]

Csgo is too much spaghetti code

[quasi valley]

cs just doesn't have the sauce

[left swift]

The UI system in csgo is source 2 tho

Panorama UI

[full rune]

panorama is not on source 2

[ashen cliff]

Panorama is used in all Source 2 games and has been back-ported to Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

[left swift]

Truuu

[quasi valley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYi1ugN1f8

[ashen cliff]

Tessellation was a mistake.

[quasi valley]

brought to you by sauce 2 https://i.imgur.com/ulMiXIs.png

[ashen cliff]

It's true.

[left swift]

[unkempt drift]

I was trolling around for a fix to this issue and came across this gem of a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1576859/comments/4

[quasi valley]

lmao

[unkempt drift]

But for real, the graphics totally spaz out if I wake my machine after it sleeps

I have to alt + F2 and R to restart gnome-shell

[quasi valley]

my Windows sometimes blue screens doing that

"sometimes" being 2 of the 10 times I ever used the sleep functionality

[haughty bear]

why are there so many people now in #paper-help ? summer?

[quasi valley]

well you see, issue no. 1 is your channel list doesn't look like this https://i.imgur.com/jUJ61qi.png

[waxen panther]

[unkempt drift]

can't be a very good malware investigator if you aren't exposed to the masses and all the possible malware out there

[potent fossil]

shots fired

[quasi valley]

we will happily accept you in the malware investigation team as well, given you're already a yatopia dev

[waxen panther]

all the malware i need is in #paper-github

[warm anchor]

Is it officially summer?

[golden gust]

based on the sweat puddle on my chair, yes

[waxen panther]

ew

[warm anchor]

the what puddle??

[golden gust]

||I jest, but, I wanted to induce horrors in your minds||

[warm anchor]

oh wait I forgot UK people loves suffering. They dont install AC in their houses

[left swift]

Just open a window m8

[warm anchor]

dude opening window = hot air comes in

[left swift]

What kind of natural disasters does the UK experience? Do they get earthquakes?

[warm anchor]

if you cant get air flow, it only makes it worse where I am lol

[left swift]

The uk is devoid of airflow

[potent fossil]

the UK is in itself a natural disaster

absolute tragedy

[golden gust]

not really many, tbqh

Like, earthquakes are kinda rare and most are meh

Worse we generally get is like stormy weathers

[potent fossil]

me, who lives right on a fault line:

[warm anchor]

UK doesnt need natural disasters, their own people are destroying itself from within inside already

[golden gust]

yo mama fell out of bed

[left swift]

Yea pretty amazing experience

[unkempt drift]

anyone know why https://github.com/tryashtar/shulker-preview is broken on bukkit/spigot/paper according to the author?

says it breaks a command, but I really dont wanna sift though this entire datapack

cause it looks crazy complex

thought maybe someone already knew

[vernal moth]

Ask them I guess

[golden gust]

tested on a server without plugins?

[vernal moth]

"hey am paper contributor and would like to work with you to provide compability"

[golden gust]

I mean, I know that there was one pack that was working

Theres nothing paper specifically changes in regards to commands and not aware of anything upstream that does

Kinda makes me wonder if it's some rando plugin 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt drift]

yeah, I haven't done any testing yet, just thought to ask first

[vernal moth]

Oh god I just peaked at the code

[unkempt drift]

yeah ik

usually I can figure out datapacks pretty easily (see my VanillaTweaks replacement plugin), but this looks crazy

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/tryashtar/shulker-preview/blob/1.16/datapack/data/tryashtar.shulker_preview/functions/return_item.mcfunction

[potent fossil]

[warm anchor]

lol

mini is gonna have a stroke

[left swift]

Omg wtf

[waxen panther]

i hate datapacks

[left swift]

Datapackers are the future

[unkempt drift]

this is worse https://github.com/tryashtar/shulker-preview/blob/1.16/datapack/data/tryashtar.shulker_preview/functions/analyze.mcfunction

[vernal moth]

I mean, I can't fool them, there prolly isn't a better way, but only way I would write data packs is via some high level language that compiles to datapacks

[potent fossil]

make MiniPack now, Java->Datapack tool

[vernal moth]

Ah they do thank God

https://github.com/tryashtar/shulker-preview/blob/1.16/script.py

[potent fossil]

[vernal moth]

I mean, its still horrible code, but at least python has loops 😂

[quasi valley]

python

[unkempt drift]

dont really wanna msg them on twitter, and I dont think theres a way to direct message someone on discord without being friends or having a common server right?

[potent fossil]

if they have DMs turned on you can

[unkempt drift]

how?

I looked it up and they all said have to be friends or common server

[vernal moth]

Not if there is no common server simple

Open an issue on GitHub MM

[waxen panther]

i found their discord server

i could dm it to you if you want machine

[vernal moth]

Also, lmao, police uses drones with heat cams to search for weed farms, found something, search it, it was a bitcoin mine that was stealing power
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-57280115

[waxen panther]

probably the best place to ask

[left swift]

Brocc is the investigator

[unkempt drift]

oh yes

I didnt see one

[waxen panther]

i am truly an investigator

done

[unkempt drift]

well, gonna check to make sure it actually doesnt work first

[magic river]

Would a weed farm even show up on thermal cameras these days? They were mostly finding the heat from the lights I thought but now you would use LEDs

[left swift]

Maybe to find weed farmers stuck in the past

[golden gust]

Most people doing farms steal electricty

[vernal moth]

The electricity for the whole equipment creates heat too I guess

[golden gust]

Well, you need to create a decent climate

[magic river]

Decent climate is just a house 😛

[vernal moth]

They got suspicious of the building first because of the traffic of ppl, then used a drone, then decided to raid

[golden gust]

and, so, the heat sorta like pours out unless you insulate the thing properly

decent houses are insulated so heat doesn't generally pool up in the attic

[magic river]

But yeah I suppose if you're trying to stick it in some out of the way place

If you just did it in your basement with modern equipment I'm not sure they would ever be able to tell

[golden gust]

Like, attic spaces for actually living in are kinda rare as most houses are old af

UK doesn't really have basements, tbqh

[warm anchor]

Crypto needs to drop more so we don’t have dumb issue like this lol and graphic card hoarding

[left swift]

Just build ur own 3090 eternity

[unkempt drift]

ugh, how can I get the NBT of an item in vanilla? F3 + I doesnt copy item entity data it seems

[warm anchor]

Suffering here with my slow 2080ti /s

[wide chasm]

Does it not copy NBt if you open your inv in creative and then copy the item via middle mouse button?

[left swift]

Poor eternity smh

[potent fossil]

me with plain 1080:

[left swift]

We start a GoFundMe for you so you can upgrade ur 2080ti

[waxen panther]

[unkempt drift]

I mean in text format

so I can like paste it and actually read it

[magic river]

1070 here, can't even run my monitors at full spec

[wide chasm]

Ah, eh, don't know if that's possible

[unkempt drift]

I can get my own entity data and the inventory, but its WAY too long for the chat to display

[quasi valley]

/data get entity @s SelectedItem

[magic river]

Wait did Microsoft abandon their D3D12 pipe idea for WSL2 and get GPU vendors to allow GPU virtualization on consumer parts?

They require new drivers to support virtual GPU in WSL2 to get GL acceleration

[unkempt drift]

yeah kneny, but its way too long for the in game chat

I maybe can do that from the console?

[quasi valley]

well you should definitely be able to select the player

[unkempt drift]

ah yes

[magic river]

I mean, Intel already supported it but only on Linux and only on older hardware, they claimed they just hadn't had the time to do the bring up for Ice Lake and newer yet

[unkempt drift]

ok, perfectly readable now

[left swift]

[quasi valley]

what and why

[unkempt drift]

its what this shulker preview datapack does to shulker nbts

[quasi valley]

oh god

online json formatter ftw

[unkempt drift]

basically in combination with a resource pack abusing fonts,

its using the Lore with fonts and special chars to display an inventory inside the lore

with empty slots, the inventory header, etc

[quasi valley]

oh lmao

but like

just get a mod?

[vernal moth]

I mean, it's cool that smth like that is possible now

[wide chasm]

Datapacks are like esolangs, neat that you managed to do it, but please don't actually use it

[unkempt drift]

yeah, thats what I suggested, use a client mod that would do this super easily

yeah, it does indeed not work on a paper server with no plugins

and the NBT tag of the shulker is WAY smaller than the monstrosity from vanilla

[magic river]

No plugins should mean all the vanilla commands are actually vanilla, right?

[unkempt drift]

apparently not

or the execution of datapacks is different

[golden gust]

The commands themselves are

[unkempt drift]

something is different

[golden gust]

But, there is some caveats iirc around how data is handled somewhere

[vernal moth]

I would have said it's a bug in adventure since it's lore

But they also said it's broken on spigot soooo

[unkempt drift]

I didnt test it on spigot, just vanilla and paper

and it was broken before adventure

[vernal moth]

Yeah but that readme said so

Ye

[unkempt drift]

well, I dm'd him, so hopefully he knows the issue and isn't just guessing at the problem

[twin lagoon]

[woven otter]

yes but no

[warm anchor]

Duck coin crashing?

[warm anchor]

if it works on spigot and doesnt work on paper
Must be paper's fault

[brave radish]

mfw Ubuntu tells me I have unsupported packages and it's cowsay

[vernal moth]

Author claims it doesn't work on any Bukkit serve r

[true canyon]

Death to crypto!

[worn ember]

Yeet the rubber duckies

[left swift]

Yummy yummy

[unkempt drift]

These videos are so good

https://youtu.be/1ApfDyeP7Zk

Disregarding the fact that it’s an accurate depiction, the story telling is excellent

[left swift]

You should checkout history buffs yt channel they're pretty good too

[wispy blade]

https://youtu.be/lE8DUQqhAxo

[magic river]

Whoops, thought I grabbed a 256GB USB stick to drop a backup on, was only a 32GB

Luckily the file I put on it is 30GB so I didn't notice

I removed all the caches and node_modules and such from my Ubuntu install then tar.zst'd my home directory and wiped the drive

Did a sha512sum to make sure it copied correctly but wow that was close

[left swift]

And such

[unkempt drift]

So, guy says that the shulker pack works up until the end where it copies a massive text component over to the shulker

paper put any limits on the size of setting such an nbt tag?

that lines up with what I saw in the NBT for the shulker on paper vs vanilla, paper's missing like 99% of the nbt data

[merry talon]

node_modules

[woven otter]

hurtful wtf

@warm anchor yes buy the dip now

[vernal moth]

Yeah that could be it, could be an exploit fix we do, but then again, they also say it's broken on spigot, so that greatly limits the things to look at again

Would prolly need to look at the code path for the exact command they use

[unkempt drift]

well to copy data, its all /data right? can you do that with /execute

[golden gust]

There is some arbitary data copying which is prevented somewhere iirc

[vernal moth]

I have no idea about these commands, Mojang keeps changing them

[golden gust]

It's not the commands

the commands themselves are vanilla

[vernal moth]

Oh yeah I know

[golden gust]

The issue is that there is some command filtering from CB somewhere

[vernal moth]

But generally

[unkempt drift]

ik, im just trying to follow where it sets data to find the check

[worn ember]

imagine not knowing your own codebase

[golden gust]

codebase is a clusterfuck of legacy CB crud ontop of spigot and then paper, is fun

[worn ember]

uwuwuwuwuw cat

[golden gust]

part of why I can't wait for a hardfork an to change the project structure a lil is that it might make it easier to deal with all of this stuff

[waxen panther]

ok hardfork right now 😀

[worn ember]

brocc, how many pr's have you made to paper

[waxen panther]

0

[worn ember]

wtf

[waxen panther]

too busy pring ur mom

[wispy blade]

just gonna have spigot fork paper and paperHF lol

[waxen panther]

[worn ember]

my mom is already perfect, she dun need pr's

[golden gust]

'cept maybe putting down

[worn ember]

wow

[golden gust]

She's got more miles on her that a UPS truck

[worn ember]

bad cat

[wispy blade]

THAT EMOTE NAME LOL

[left swift]

[waxen panther]

[worn ember]

[left swift]

[lone agate]

selamlar.

[wispy blade]

man

rewatching etho's project ozone 2 series

takes me back 😢

[left swift]

Who

[wispy blade]

wtf

ethoslab

[left swift]

Asked

[wispy blade]

unfunny.

[worn ember]

mana is uncultured, dont take it personal

[wispy blade]

@left swift bonk

[worn ember]

[left swift]

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-meme-dog-doge-gif-14889944

[magic river]

lol, the default scrollback in windows terminal is 9001 lines

[wispy blade]

windows terminal

yes

i still have the preview installed on my laptop LOL

havent updated it

[magic river]

If you're on insiders builds it comes with Windows these days

[wispy blade]

im on prod builds cuz idc about insider features

[worn ember]

must be crazy to run insider builds

[magic river]

I wanted the GUI

[wispy blade]

fair enough

[waxen panther]

windows isnt stable either way so who cares ammirite

😎

[wispy blade]

you're not stable either way so who cares ammrite

😎

[waxen panther]

TRUE

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

say what you about winblows but remember: every OS has flaws

not as much as windows tho OMEGALUL

[worn ember]

getting it to run is already more than half of the linux distro's

[left swift]

I care about brocc

[magic river]

It doesn't integrate very well

I would have thought they'd do something special to get Windows to draw the titlebar or at least theme it to look like Windows

[unkempt drift]

god, this CommandData class is impossible to comprehend

just trying to find the start point for setting nbt from a block

[wispy blade]

probably something you can enable

but since my locale is on japanese i have no clue :p

[worn ember]

yuck, more weebs

[wispy blade]

it was for BMS and TJAPlayer ok

and i think KSM also required it at some point

[wraith oracle]

is that the new feature that allows to run GTK-based GUIs on Windows

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/vTMEdHcKgM4 my boy's back

[wispy blade]

YO

i love sebastian

[wraith oracle]

I believe they're just running a glorified X server under the hood but I could be wrong

[waxen panther]

[wispy blade]

i mean the project's on github, you could check

[wraith oracle]

wsl? yeah, I could

[waxen panther]

@cunning raft jealous ?

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther please find malware

[waxen panther]

sorry i am on holiday

i will be back in office on monday

@woven otter why do you hate me again 😡

[woven otter]

no not again brocc

not again

[waxen panther]

then stop being mean

😡

[woven otter]

hate is a continuous process brocc so not again

[worn ember]

he's trying to gain your trust to inject you with malware

[waxen panther]

wow ok

🍲

[woven otter]

dont cry lil' vegetabl

[left swift]

Duck soup

[woven otter]

shut up mana

[unkempt drift]

k, found where its trying to load in the massive NBT info I think

[woven otter]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wall-gif-11781743

[unkempt drift]

oh I bet I found it... the datapack is using a sign at the edge of the world to store temp data, and its trying to load that massive thing into a sign

and I see a > 2048 check in TileEntitySign

[icy fractal]

Tuinity o purpur?

[wraith oracle]

Tuinity

probs not the best place to ask anyways

[unkempt drift]

yeah, that totally fixed it, commenting out that > 2048 length per sign line thing that CraftBukkit added

is there an exploit around that? or whats up

[quasi valley]

waddafuq even

[wraith trail]

is that the intended way for datapacks to store temp data?

[unkempt drift]

asking the wrong person here, idk

I would think you can put stuff anywhere

[golden gust]

Yes

[unkempt drift]

# place the global shulker box and signs
forceload remove 29999977 9832
forceload add 29999977 9832
fill 29999976 0 9831 29999981 2 9833 bedrock
setblock 29999977 1 9832 shulker_box{CustomName:'"tryashtar Global Shulker Box®"'}
setblock 29999979 1 9832 birch_sign{Text1:'""',Text2:'"tryashtar"',Text3:'"Evaluation Sign®"',Text4:'""'}
setblock 29999980 1 9832 birch_sign{Text1:'""',Text2:'"tryashtar"',Text3:'"Evaluation Sign®"',Text4:'""'}

has some global shulkerbox and sign way out there

[golden gust]

a really old bug which seems to be been kinda mitigated for survival elsewhere

But, for creative mode, it's basically a huge data store pretty much

[wraith trail]

there has to be a better way to do that

it just seems so wrong

[quasi valley]

time for someone to travel there through the nether and break into bedrock

[golden gust]

I was answering as to if there was an exploit around it

as for data storage, there really is no other way bar using a different TE

[unkempt drift]

well that's persistent right? can store stuff but ill get wiped at the next save/load

[golden gust]

that data? no

load is called to apply that to the TE

[unkempt drift]

oh right

[golden gust]

I think ideally you'd sorta like seperate off the filtering and apply it elsewhere

[unkempt drift]

you could probably let the load called from either a CommandDataAcessorTile or CommandDataAccessorEntity bypass that check

cause that only pertains to specific use of the /data command, nothing related to creative mode inventory

[quasi valley]

but then again

wtf

I swear, if I ever see that used somewhere, I’ll travel to those coordinates, break through bedrock and clap the sign and shulker box

[golden gust]

issue is that datapacks have no real arbitary data store

and so they do stupid crap like that to work around it

[quasi valley]

then they shouldn’t get around it and not use data packs

[unkempt drift]

the uh, marker entity thing in 1.17

[golden gust]

but, datapack go brrr

I mean, am not saying that it's good, am saying that it's dumb, and so people do varying crap to get around all of the limitations of it

[quasi valley]

what about the marker

[golden gust]

Like, it's dumb, but, erm, they work for all this stupid crap even on vanilla, so :/

[unkempt drift]

is that supposed to be an arbitrary data store

[quasi valley]

the marker?

[unkempt drift]

yeah

[quasi valley]

it’s just another entity, so anything you can do with it you can already do with others

just that the marker isn’t sent to players

[unkempt drift]

right, but its loaded/saved

[golden gust]

it does fuck all else and doesn't tick, doesn't collide with stuff, etc, etc

it's primarily designed for data packs to be able to store data in a way which doesn't get in the way, isn't sent to the client, etc

[quasi valley]

so you can use entities for that as well? why doesn’t it use an invisible, invincible armor stand then

[golden gust]

entities don't store arbitary NBT

[unkempt drift]

the marker does is what Im sayihng

its got the data nbt thing with takes anything

[golden gust]

yea, the marker is basically just an arbitrary NBT data store entity

[quasi valley]

ahh

now I get you, alright

[golden gust]

it's a giant ass cop around, but, welcome to datapacks

[unkempt drift]

but there shouldn't be a limit put on the marker, creative mode doesnt have access to it so...

this shouldn't be an issue in 1.17 assuming this guy changes the sign to a marker

[wraith trail]

if there was no limit, can you create signs that big in survival or only creative?

[quasi valley]

Inb4 spigot limits all nbt in it

[golden gust]

only creative

the size of the update packet for real text is limited

[unkempt drift]

there are other limits like that on other tile entities I assume, would a "force" boolean or smth be useful for the execute/data commands?

[golden gust]

probably

[unkempt drift]

instead of adding it as a parameter, I'd have a field on the tile entity that would get toggled before and after the load

wait, how do I, in creative mode, get a sign and place it to try and trip the 2048 limit?

[golden gust]

in legit creative mode? you're not

You'd need to have a modded client or already have such a sign

[unkempt drift]

how can I give myself such I sign is what I meant

so I can put it in a saved toolbar thing

/give @p sign{BlockEntityTag:{Text1:"Hey"}} is what I thought

[golden gust]

yea

you'll need to run the command on the console

[unkempt drift]

right cause itll be too long

wow, random.org wont generate me a 2048 length string..

limit is 20

[worn ember]

lame

just convert it to base64

[unkempt drift]

ok good, so I got the massive sign, put it in a hotbar, and then when I recall that hotbar, the sign is empty

well its not until I place it

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/wvfR3XLXPvw
It's all crabs
always has been

[limpid comet]

DarkEyeCrab

[golden gust]

might wanna get that checked out buddy

[worn ember]

wut

[grand nebula]

What's the keybind in intellij to fill in override statements? Like onCommand()

[unkempt drift]

Ctrl I is implement

Ctrl O is override

[grizzled walrus]

Does anyone know when version 1.17 will be released?

spigot version

[brave radish]

nope

we don't even know when 1.17 will be released from Mojang

[unkempt drift]

I’m guessing after mojang releases 1.17

.eta also

[limber knot]

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

[brave radish]

md_5 releases early just to prove you wrong

[tropic flame]

the way md_5 does things, he'll probably send out a version for a prerelease at the day of the actual release and tell everyone to PR the stuff

[worn ember]

alt+insert is your friend

[grand nebula]

Thank-you! I couldn't remember it! You're a lifesaver.

[unkempt drift]

well that brings up a menu with all the things

[grand nebula]

That's the menu I needed

[worn ember]

tbh i didnt know about hte other keybinds

[grand nebula]

Oh, I reset my PC, and switched to a faster DE and intellij is still slow to type on

[worn ember]

weird

[merry talon]

I wrote this for stuff like that https://github.com/sweepyoface/dotfiles/blob/master/.local/bin/rand

repo is super outdated but yeah

[brave radish]

time to make a cryptographically secure generation algorithm EDIT: double scratch out, someone did that

[grand nebula]

Question about Java's extends/impliments:
Say I have a class, called customItem:
extends would be used to change/add functions of the class customItem
implements would be used in the same sense that new customItem() is used.

Correct?

I looked at the documentation, and I want to make sure I understand properly

^ ping/reply so I see it please!

[golden gust]

ZCM, I think MM was working on porting something from fabric

think I clocked one one of the last few things holding him back there or something

[brave radish]

I wasn't serious anyway, but, yeah, he's probably porting SecureSeed already 😆

[golden gust]

yea

[brave radish]

that's nice, they made 9,745,314,011,399,999,080,353,382,387,875,188,310,876,226,857,595,007,526,867,906,457,212,948,690,766,426,102,465,615,065,882,010,259,225,304,916,231,408,668,183,459,169,865,203,094,046,577,987,296,312,653,419,531,277,699,956,473,029,870,789,655,490,053,648,352,799,593,479,218,378,873,685,597,925,394,874,945,746,363,615,468,965,612,827,738,803,104,277,547,081,828,589,991,914,110,976x the seed combinations

[golden gust]

GOD FUCKING MOJANG AND THEIR FUCKING STATIC STATE ALL OVER THE DAMNED PLACE

[unkempt drift]

https://github.com/Machine-Maker/Paper/tree/secure-seed
yeah, its slow going tho

if its going to be an optional thing, that makes it slightly more complicated

[golden gust]

oh, thought you had more stuff done

smh

god damned tease

[unkempt drift]

it would be pretty straightfoward if it wasn't gonna be an optional thing, that and I def dont fully understand all the seed stuff in the first place

Also, I think it’s supposed to replace the 20 other seeds that are already configurable so idk how to handle that either

[brave radish]

Mr. Yatopia Dev, do you run a server?

[waxen panther]

a

[brave radish]

a?

e

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uzw1Zr1FE4

[brave radish]

very nice

Extremely insightful video, 10/10

[warm anchor]

wow is zzzCat into Vtuber now too???

[pulsar wigeon]

imagine thinking a shark is a cat

[warm anchor]

Not helping Hololive been giving very girl cat ear recently

[merry talon]

i literally clicked on one of her videos

and then my youtube suggestions was only vtubers for a week

[waxen panther]

good

[warm anchor]

gura is one of the biggest (current 2nd highest sub count channel) @merry talon that maybe why coz YT loves to suggest shit that are currently popular

whatever they use for weighted suggestion is way too fucknig heavy. Once wrong click on certain type of video there is no going back

[waxen panther]

i dont like gura personally

the rest tho

[austere ivy]

ok ok, i'm not saying anything bad about the plugin. it's great code and obviously very well done

but

this is the biggest dang "util" class i've ever seen in my life

[magic river]

I'll have to do more testing but based on short runs and the system's own estimates I think my laptop battery life is 30% worse with Windows than with Ubuntu

[waxen panther]

I just hide all my ugly utils in a dependency with a stupid name

[austere ivy]

just made "tehlib" yesterday 😎

gonna stuff a whole lot of stuff in there mwauahah

[potent fossil]

ok i need someone smart

i have an api and i want to secure it, i dont want to do fancy shit or anything too insanely overkill but i do want it to be secure

i've made rudimentary login systems before just fine but i guess I probably didn't handle sessions correctly. what i typically do is hash pw with bcrypt (or argon, whatever the new shit is) and then when they login I generate a jwt with some basic profile info, sign it, and send it back but i don't store that serverside (bc i need serverside to be stateless i mean? idk)

so obv that's problematic bc i can't invalidate a session myself, there'd be no way to legitimately log someone out short of rotating the JWT keys lol

so, I know of the method where when you sign in you get a short-lived access token and a long-lived refresh token -- where do you store that refresh token securely? And if the refresh can simply be used to grab an access token -- besides the fact that the refresh token can be invalidated on the server side -- how is that any different than just generating an access token, storing that, and giving it to the user? just seems like extra steps.

and finally, is ^^^ that the same thing as Oauth2? Because from my limited knowledge Oauth2 has to do with allowing your application to serve as a sort of 'authorizer' (similar to "login with google/twitter/facebook") but my app just wants to (at least for now) handle its own auth.

I would like to design it in such a way that later adding a way to 'login with <MyAppName>' wouldn't be complete cancer to add in later (so keep the access/refresh scheme I suppose)

and yea that's like 30 questions in one wall so thanks :)))

[austere ivy]

ok i need someone smart
aight well im out cya

[formal turret]

same

[magic river]

You stick the refresh token in a DB for at least a day so you can invalidate it

Or 30 days or however long you want a session to last

[golden gust]

1. assuming you store the login in some db, what you generally do is store an "not issued before" type token, which lets you know to ignore JWTs issued before
2. refresh tokens are generally stored ^ as they're generally considered more of a "long term" type solution, so something the server needs to have authority over
3. You need a central cert for this in order to sign stuff and be able to verify it, no real way around that safely

[magic river]

I can't remember the reason why you don't just have one token and store that, it was something tricky and it's late

[potent fossil]

Yeah so store refresh token in a db server side for revocation purposes, but clientside (say a webapp) would I just store that in localstorage or whatever? I mean, I guess so :L

[golden gust]

I'd imagine the reason why you don't just have 1 token is that the token is broadcasted all over the place during communication

[magic river]

It turns out the most secure way of doing this is old school sessions 😛

[golden gust]

idea in part is that you're able to short-issue those tokens and recycle them "fast" relative to the session of a real token, the refresh token is sent much less often and so generally considered to be a bit more secure over a JWT shot around the place

[potent fossil]

so I mean, I guess my worry is doing the access/refresh tokens but not implementing in a way that im fully oauth2 compliant? but, at the same time im not really trying to be :p

so, can it really be that simple? Sign users up normally, generate a refresh token and access token on login and from then on just have the user grab new access tokens as needed

[magic river]

XSS attacks can't hijack your HttpOnly cookies but they can get into your local storage

oauth2 is a whole different thing afaik

[potent fossil]

yeah but im going to be running quite a lot of stateless services, so im not sure how i'd do standard sessions (but then again, im likely ignorant so who knows)

[magic river]

Nothing to do with any of this

[golden gust]

yea, oath2 is an entirely seperate set of mess

[potent fossil]

i thought the access/refresh concept came from oauth

but kk

[magic river]

Maybe?

All I know about oauth2 is I wish I could die

[potent fossil]

pepela

[golden gust]

oauth does use the same sorta thing

[potent fossil]

so oauth would be entirely separate from this system im making for login/sign up regardless of how i do the login/sign up

[golden gust]

bearing in mind that with oauth your autorization comes from a 3rd party, so there is 0 means to invalidate an existing token elsewhere without checking with the auth server all the time, which would imply having apps spamming the auth server

hence short lived access tokens

[potent fossil]

right

oauth isn't logging in, it's letting your app be an identity provider or whatever right

[magic river]

If you want to do an oauth2 provider just stop now, give up on that idea

If you want to let people login via Google or something that doesn't change how you issue tokens

[potent fossil]

well no im just confused really lol, all i want at this stage is to design a modern authentication system with email/pass, but not shoot myself in the foot if later if I wanted to login with social media and shit, but if that doesn't change how i issue tokens then

but i was also thinking about the provider thing as well, though im quite sure I'd never need to implement it

[golden gust]

I mean, you generally just consider that in the flow

when you login to google, etc, they should pass you back to your own place and post the stuff to you or something iirc

[magic river]

An oauth2 provider in your stack is going to be a whole separate piece of software and probably subdomain and may not even be able to use the same DB or table design you have now

It's not something you're just going to whip up real quick or plug in to an existing program

[golden gust]

Yea, with oauth you generally wanna consider having like an SSO auth flow so that you can cater for that mess

Like, I ain't dealt with oauth and don't wanna touch it, but, that's the general flow I see elsewhere

[potent fossil]

Right, that was my question because I wasn't sure what it was really :p

[magic river]

Something like https://www.ory.sh/

[golden gust]

sometimes it's all kept in one thing but if you're planning to make an auth system which covers multiple things, it's the ideal flow setup

[magic river]

Also oauth tokens usually never expire iirc so that'd be a permanent refresh token

The only way to stop it is to revoke it in some UI

[potent fossil]

So yeah I mean, I don't really wanna touch that with a 20 foot stick. I just wanna sign up/login to my app, which is simply a stateless rest service storing refresh tokens in a db with a web/mobile frontend. No need to be an identity provider, so I should be able to get away with something relatively simple

[magic river]

The thing I'm going at work has 15 minute access tokens and 24 hour refresh tokens, you have to log in again once a day

[potent fossil]

Interesting

[magic river]

I think the actual point behind splitting them is that you can have a dedicated server handle refresh tokens and so only have one place to make sure you don't mess up

If any of your microservices or functions screw up and leak access tokens then it's not a huge deal, they expire quickly

Like, if you log requests and somehow manage to log the access tokens unless someone can get live access to that log by the time they see if those tokens are all expired anyway

[potent fossil]

That would make sense

Well I'm glad to hear it can actually be that simple

I was kinda worried that I would have to do something like oauth2 (identity provider) stuff to do authentication 'right'

[golden gust]

You should do oauth

you know you want to

[potent fossil]

cat plz

[golden gust]

me, I just wanna watch you suffer

[magic river]

I'm not even sure how oauth is going to work for me

[unkempt drift]

Just have a map with IP and user if their logged in. Request from that ip and it’s in map, all good. 👍

[magic river]

I have a system where we want employees to be able to login with their AD creds and plan on doing that via oauth but we also have external people so need to have normal accounts too

But then we want to use this system as an oauth provider for other things

So I guess I'm chaining them?

[golden gust]

MM PLZ

[magic river]

This is like if you use your google account to login to github then use your github account to login to travisci

Does that even work?

[unkempt drift]

CAT PLZ ||(merge a PR)||

[magic river]

I think I'm just going to have to support using the AD oauth provider on everything

[vestal jasper]

Merge? Pfft

[warm anchor]

Alternatively, when an user is logged in, use an automatic voice call to contact the employee and have them manually enter a 20 digit randomized OTP

[unkempt drift]

You need oauth2-ception. You log into each account with the other account

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[magic river]

Looks like the standard for oauth (and so probably what you should emulate) is to store refresh tokens in redis, cassandra, etc

Probably because you cycle through them so much and you can make the DB remove them automatically when they expire

I haven't figured that part out yet, for now I'm just sticking them in a postgres DB that grows forever

This thing probably won't launch for 6 months (if it ever does) so I have time to figure something better out

[potent fossil]

I mean you don't remove expired ones?

Why does it grow forever

[merry talon]

Since when can you log into github with google?

I don't know of a single oath provider that you can log into via another

but I guess it could technically work

I honestly stay away from using it due to the concerns of a single point of failure

aside from like github login for dev stuff

[magic river]

Huh, I thought you could

gitlab then

[dusk drift]

Anyone by any chance have experience with any OCR java libs, I'm using one but its a free trial sorta thing and its not the most accurate thing in the world too.

[ripe sphinx]

I remember looking into OCR in the past, and from what I recall, surprisingly enough there's nothing good for free
(Would have expected there to be some sort of decent FOSS one, but apparently not)

[olive garden]

tesseract, possibly via opencv?

[merry talon]

bo burnham special coming out in 2 mins

[frank otter]

tesseract didn't work particularly well when I tried it

[gilded cedar]

or in here @wraith pumice

[wraith pumice]

👀

[mossy vessel]

@twin lagoon morning 👀

[twin lagoon]

[light raptor]

is there any like actual proof that fawe corrupts worlds?
because ik it does
but someones asking

[vernal moth]

It can

It doesn't always

And since WE is mostly used on build servers and not in prod, nobody really cares and it's a worth tradeoff for many

[limpid comet]

i've had issues with it in the past; i.e. a builder was copy/pasting, and //undo removed like 4 chunks of builds for some reason

[dense pine]

I'm not really sure where to put this since I can't find a bungee discord server, but if I wanted to send a player to another server in a different region to reduce pint (e.g. US to Australia) is it possible to configure it like that? I've tried but the ping remains the same

[limpid comet]

not until mojang adds transfer packets

[ashen cliff]

Currently you are limited by the users ping to Bungee and then Bungee to end server.

[mossy vessel]

The major of commands related to word corruption are pre 1.12, and do no longer exist in sane versions

[limpid comet]

we had the issue on 1.15 but i only observed it happen so maybe pebkac

[dense pine]

No way around it? Would forced hosts work at all?

[mossy vessel]

Anvil?

[ashen cliff]

No since the connection still goes thru the proxy.

[dense pine]

Darn, any recommendations on a way to improve ping in different regions, other than a different IP?

[ashen cliff]

Anycast.

[dense pine]

?

[ashen cliff]

https://www.keycdn.com/support/anycast

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[grand nebula]

Why is there so few people with this badge? XD

[ashen cliff]

BRO!

[dense pine]

Hrm, how would I integrate this into MC? I currently have a server selector with a US spleef and AU spleef (for testing purposes)

[ashen cliff]

Run the proxy instances on anycast IPs. And that's mostly it.

[topaz mortar]

Nothing on bungee. It's more before Bungee

[ashen cliff]

You are then just limited by proxy ->server.

[dense pine]

But then wouldn't the problem still exist? The only bungee proxy is in the US? Won't it have to go from the US to Australia and back again?

[ashen cliff]

You would need multiple Bungee servers.

It's not a cheap solution.

[dense pine]

Ohh, then anycast would decide which bungee?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

[dense pine]

Is this keycdn page the only provider, or can I shop around? (part of the network is already hosted on google cloud, for example)

[potent fossil]

there are a lot of anycast providers

https://cloud.google.com/load-balancing/

[twin lagoon]

google cloud

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

Is any big server even using anycast? Since most just use RRDNS.

[grand nebula]

public class CustomItem {
    // stuff
}

public class CustomWeapon extends CustomItem {
    // stuff
} 

CustomWeapon sword = new CustomWeapon()

sword would be a CustomWeapon, thus also having the properties of a CustomItem. Correct?

[potent fossil]

yes

[grand nebula]

Ok. Tha ka

Thanks*

What would be the benefit of using an interface instad of a class?

[next frost]

different use case

[grand nebula]

should CustomItem be an interface, and CustomWeaponItem implement CustomItem?

[twin lagoon]

hypixel

[wide chasm]

Depends. If CustomItem should only specify which behaviour should exist, but not implement it, then an interface is appropriate. If it should also implement it, then an (abstract) class is more appropriate.

[dense pine]

i cannot for the life of me figure out how to make google cloud load balance my bungee stuff

The closest I got was the TCP load balancer set to multiple regions, but it wants an instance group which is restricted to 1 region each

that face when you find what you were looking for but can't specify a custom port

[night forum]

there is a channel for cat persons but what about dog persons?

[minor badge]

ew

[warm fossil]

Why I'm getting this error? I updated my Java version

[wide chasm]

You probably aren't actually running your server with Java 16, but with Java 11. Check your start script to see if it perhaps points directly to Java 11 instead of your global Java.

[warm fossil]

so if I install a new version I need to reboot the linux probably?

[potent fossil]

.paste

[limber knot]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[potent fossil]

Paste your start.sh or run.sh file

What you start your server with

[topaz mortar]

No, you only need to source it or just restarte the shell session.

[warm fossil]

where is it? Sorry for that questions but I'm a lit beginner xD

[potent fossil]

How are you starting your server atm?

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-jack-black-ill-be-waiting-half-stance-funny-gif-17917419

[wispy blade]

?

[potent fossil]

waiting for the person who asked for help to gib moar information

[twin lagoon]

that's pterodactyl

pterodactyl uses docker containers

it doesn't use your system java

[potent fossil]

:L

[void void]

Will Minecraft servers ever get multi-threading?

[minor badge]

it already uses several threads...

[void void]

The official server or Paper or Tuinity?

[vernal bone]

Any Paper fork will utilise multiple threads.

[unreal quarry]

all of the above and more

[void void]

Because I just heard Minecraft servers can't use many threads somewhere

[unreal quarry]

you're probably getting confused because the main tick loop runs on a single thread.

and no, that will never change.

[void void]

Oh, so only lighting and others utilize other threads, right?

[worn ember]

pretty sure worldgen is on the main thread for vanilla

[unreal quarry]

just for craftbukkit and spigot. vanilla its multithreaded. md_5 removed that. paper put it back.

[worn ember]

oh really? damn

when did that happen?

[unreal quarry]

1.14 iirc

[worn ember]

ah, well thats good

i figured it wasnt a thing in vanilla since spigot didnt have it

just md being md again

[wispy blade]

imagine being md

[empty orbit]

Hello, how do i make the papermc anti xray work in the nether?

[warm anchor]

.xray read the page carefully and apply the setting

[limber knot]

https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

[empty orbit]

does this works in 1.16.5?

[warm anchor]

Ofcoz

[empty orbit]

i did try this but it wont work

Do i do it like this?

[warm anchor]

Well then you didn’t read the page carefully

[empty orbit]

Sorry for my stupidity

I think i know now

[potent fossil]

@magic river i noticed Subnautica is on your steam wishlist. gonna get it?

[worn ember]

it was free on epic a while ago

unless ur talking about the new dlc

[potent fossil]

not below zero, just regular subnautica

[worn ember]

ah

[potent fossil]

i wonder if i can install minikube in wsl

[wispy blade]

probably could

[potent fossil]

put on your seatbelts im going in

[wispy blade]

lesgo

forgot how much i hate libreoffice

[worn ember]

office gang

[wispy blade]

not gonna pay for office

lmao

[potent fossil]

gaggle dox

[wispy blade]

will say that google docs >>>>> libreoffice

did pay for windows but upgraded so i have cool watermark

[twin lagoon]

k3d

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[ashen cliff]

I need a LITHIUM 12V battery for my UPS.

I would build one... but that ended with a fire twice already.

[untold copper]

lmao

How hard can it be

[worn ember]

just have a big water tank connected to a waterwheel to generate power

[untold copper]

ez

[ashen cliff]

Too slow.

[potent fossil]

am just testin

[twin lagoon]

k3d is kubernetes in docker

[potent fossil]

minikube worked

[twin lagoon]

All you need is Docker (or similarly compatible) container or a Virtual Machine environment

o it supports docker now apparently

fair enough

[potent fossil]

k3d looks hot for the future tho

thx bby

[twin lagoon]

nop now that i know minikube supports docker

k3d is ass

[potent fossil]

does that also mean k3s is ass or

[twin lagoon]

no

[potent fossil]

how do we pronounce k3s

[twin lagoon]

k 3 s

[potent fossil]

aight good

[minor badge]

koober net three ez

[topaz mortar]

kate

[undone crest]

is the answer 12 or 18?

[quasi valley]

12

but wtf even is that

[untold copper]

9 * 10 = 90
8 * 9 = 72
7 * 8 = 56
6 * 8 = 42

[undone crest]

its 12 right?

its just a question I saw on FB and everyone was saying its 18, and I got a racist remark saying I answered 12 because I came from Philippines...

[quasi valley]

well there's your problem

you browse facebook

[next frost]

those questions are always dumb

[unkempt drift]

I think its 18

[quasi valley]

I think ur dum then

[unkempt drift]

6*8 doesn’t equal 42…

Unless we got some trash level trolling going on here

[next frost]

both are totally valid I guess, as there's no clear instruction how it is meant

[quasi valley]

snoopa probably wanted to write 6*7

and is just being snoopa

[unkempt drift]

How do you get 12 from that? I’m prob just not seeing that

[next frost]

3 * 4

[unkempt drift]

Why would you do 4?

[potent fossil]

should be 3=30 right? which is 12 smaller than 42 which is 14 smaller than 56 which is 16 smaller than 72 which is 18 smaller than 90

[next frost]

you could either argue it's always n * (n + 1) or it's always n * the number above

[quasi valley]

^yeah it's dumb in any case

[potent fossil]

@next frost please do not bully me :'( i am not smart

[next frost]

nah I like the way you think

[potent fossil]

[quasi valley]

cut out the "the way" and "think"

[potent fossil]

[next frost]

[undone crest]

its 12 I think

[twin lagoon]

k minikube sucks

partially sucks*

[quasi valley]

michael

[twin lagoon]

i'll just continue renting servers smh

[potent fossil]

oh i get it lmao yeah its 12

[twin lagoon]

ur 12

[ashen cliff]

Gotem.

[quasi valley]

[woven otter]

The only right answer to that problem is that it is all wrong

[next frost]

best is to just ignore stuff like that. It's ambiguous on purpose to make people discuss about it (as seen here lol). That's the perfect way to increase reach on facebook

[void void]

Paper is amazing lol

Tuinity is better

[twin lagoon]

should be noted that more threads does not always mean better performance

[void void]

Purpur is incredible

[potent fossil]

9~~*10~~ = 90
8~~*9~~ = 72
7~~8~~ = 56
6~~7~~ = 42
~~56 = 30~~
~~45 = 20~~
*3~~4~~ = 12

that's what it is, snoopa had it :p the crossed out parts are what was not included on the paper

[void void]

Yatopia is an abomination

[meager tusk]

Not true bro!

[twin lagoon]

purpur is bloatware change my mind

[void void]

Thanks, noted!

[void void]

Like yeah, if you don't care about gameplay features, just install Tuinity

[ashen cliff]

Bro! What do you mean? The Lua script spawning 5000 threads is not efficient?

[meager tusk]

Airplane.

🛫

[wispy blade]

Lua monkaW

[void void]

Oh yeah That's better

[cunning raft]

✈️
🏹

[wispy blade]

^

[meager tusk]

No stop

[unkempt drift]

What about my fork? Not the best?

[wispy blade]

what about my fork? way better

[topaz mortar]

or mine

[ashen cliff]

Bro. You should be supporting him bro.

[true canyon]

🍴

[quasi valley]

Spigot best fork

[meager tusk]

I only support KGB Paper bro.

[wispy blade]

there is no fork

[ashen cliff]

Good bro.

[wispy blade]

only knife

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[ashen cliff]

Just don't leak the source bro!

[twin lagoon]

how is kosovo

[ashen cliff]

Got to keep that secret for now.

[worn ember]

My iq > your iq

[meager tusk]

10minute per tick. Great success!

[undone crest]

how did people wake up one day and decide "Its time to build paper"

[meager tusk]

About as well as can be expected bro.

[twin lagoon]

how did people wake up one day and decide let's join the paper discord

[ashen cliff]

By saying I hate <lead dev here>.

[meager tusk]

The chinese were pretty smart people

[worn ember]

how did people wake up one day?

[meager tusk]

They didn't like writing on rocks ig

[quasi valley]

someone just wanted to take revenge on those trees

[true canyon]

How did people wake up one day and decide "it's time to dunk kenny in cheese" 🧀

[wispy blade]

"hmm i need some help with making a config.yml work"

[worn ember]

stones preserve better tho

[meager tusk]

Ok

[twin lagoon]

knenwald

[worn ember]

and they dont burn

[twin lagoon]

viaversion 1.17 eta wen

[worn ember]

stones > paper

[quasi valley]

I really hope noone has ever and will ever decide that

[undone crest]

[cunning raft]

16 to 12 business weeks

[wispy blade]

scissors > paper

[unreal quarry]

sad panda noises

[meager tusk]

No I'm pretty happy with that statement

[twin lagoon]

[meager tusk]

👑

[void void]

Does Airplane support Java 16?

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

This Paper.

[cunning raft]

if purpur is bloat ware it's certainly the best bloat ware

At least you can config all it's shit

[meager tusk]

Bloatware isn't necessarily bad

[cunning raft]

Unlike certain kitchen sink plugins 🙄🙄🙄

[worn ember]

cant even get rtp right

[wispy blade]

imagine

[hazy orbit]

how to install this

cuz idk

[wispy blade]

paper jar in folder, run paper jar

accept eula

basically done

[hazy orbit]

in minecraft folder

u mean

or any folder

[cunning raft]

#paper-help

[hazy orbit]

ty

[void void]

Switching from Tuinity to Airplane right now

Let's see how it works

[twin lagoon]

ok

[waxen panther]

ok

@twin lagoon

[worn ember]

brocc sponge

[waxen panther]

hmm?

what about it

[worn ember]

🧽

[waxen panther]

[worn ember]

cheese sponge

[waxen panther]

i thikn ded is broken

[worn ember]

nah i'm fine

[echo kettle]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehs

[potent fossil]

thanks!

ok

[worn ember]

unbreak it then lol

[true canyon]

How so?

[potent fossil]

find where it broke it, and then make an issue report so we can help

LOL

[true canyon]

Yeah that doesn'tanswer my question though

How did paper break it

[untold copper]

plugin's problem probably then

[true canyon]

Or something?

[untold copper]

go report to the author, if the plugin breaks while switching to paper, the author is in deep shit

[true canyon]

How do you not know fhe issue

[potent fossil]

mbax at work mmmmf 🥵

hi josh

[vestal jasper]

why are you trying to report an issue and blame software when you don't properly know what the issue is

did you use some patch to increase inventory size or something

[potent fossil]

yes he tested on yatopia

[vestal jasper]

that's not the fault of the plugin nor paper

it's something you did lol

if you're messing with inventory sizes and changing them you're bound to get weird results

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith trail]

nah they're writing the plugin

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil hi

[wispy blade]

#paper-dev ngl

[quasi valley]

... it means you're passing more items than the inventory can contain

[worn ember]

inventory size is 42 (0-41) by default

[wispy blade]

because yatopia is built different

[vestal jasper]

because it's yatopia

possible they disable the check to allow certain things

or some upstream from them does

[worn ember]

whats the actual value of the index?

[void void]

Is there any channel with discord role descriptions lol

[wispy blade]

do you really need them though

[void void]

kinda

[minor badge]

why would there be

notable folks are notable, hangar team works on hangar, contributors contributed, you get the gist

[waxen panther]

ok proxi, whats the old prune role then

[minor badge]

old prunes are old prunes

[quasi valley]

and what's taiga-chan

[potent fossil]

do NOT attack me

[waxen panther]

[minor badge]

the egirl of the spruce trees~

[wispy blade]

spruce egirl? Pog

[void void]

why so much people doesnt have tables

[wispy blade]

desk > table

[potent fossil]

linode and azure both have free k8s control planes

not bad

megapoggers https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Excitable-Americansaddlebred-25.png

unless anyone knows cheaper 😏

[wispy blade]

dual boot.

[potent fossil]

[vernal moth]

Just get a vps with dedicated resources, lmao

[potent fossil]

this is for an app I want to create that would benefit from microservices

[wispy blade]

dualboot for testing 😔

[potent fossil]

i can just make a single node k8s cluster for testing

[vernal moth]

For 40 bucks a month that better be some big ass CPU

Because 6 gb ram ain't impressive

[potent fossil]

its 3 virtual machines each $10, a node balancer for $10 and some storage for $2

and k8s distributes work across it

[waxen panther]

@twin lagoon

[vernal moth]

My host gives me 8gb ram for 8.40, with 2 dedicated cores of an epyk 7702 with 160gb ssd, lol

Double ram, cores and storage and it costs you 14 euro

[twin lagoon]

ew linode

[potent fossil]

alright fine well maybe i could make a cluster manually cheaper then

[twin lagoon]

use digitalocean

[potent fossil]

how do their prices compare

[twin lagoon]

yes

[potent fossil]

ah also free control plane

[wispy blade]

5/month for 1gb ram and 1 vcore i think

looked into it so i could host my discord bot

[vernal moth]

Like, don't get me wrong, I know the benefits of a scalable arch, but like, you ain't at such a scale

So you just pay extra for buzzwords

[potent fossil]

yeah but i dont want to start with a monolith because it means decomposing it later and im not interested in that activity

[vernal moth]

You can run 100 mircoservices on one vps for all I care

[twin lagoon]

the control plane is free for many cloud services

[vernal moth]

Your hardware isn't limiting your software arch

[twin lagoon]

so you're not paying anything extra

[potent fossil]

not google/amazon

they both charge god damn near $70 a month for them

[waxen panther]

im waiting for michael host

[wispy blade]

ngl having a vps company sounds cool

[twin lagoon]

said no one ever

[vernal moth]

Only reason for cloud stuff at low scale would be high redundancy

[potent fossil]

yeah, sure mini, i can start with a single node cluster. I'm not saying I'ma do that right now

[vernal moth]

We are currently looking at stuff for paper, cause that outage recently ain't looking good

[wraith trail]

wonder if that was why the build times had ballooned as well for you

[vernal moth]

Build times where bad cause our cpu was clocked at 800mhz

[twin lagoon]

this explains why @cosmic raft was looking into kubernetes

kashike kubernetes wen

[potent fossil]

yeah i mean im not saying ima switch to one of these at first for this project, ill most definitely start out devving with a local single node cluster and also my first prod will probably very likely be k3s single node mode until i need more nodes, and at that point ima see what will work best :p

[wispy blade]

800 mhz cpu 🤔

[vernal moth]

I think that was the lowest it could throttle too

So that's what it did

[potent fossil]

digitalocean is same exact price fwiw

$3 more actually

for less specs on the vms

[twin lagoon]

but it's better

[brave radish]

I like DigitalOcean

mainly cuz there website is nice 😆

[waxen panther]

true!

[brave radish]

it took them a total of 21.2 seconds to make my last VPS

not sure how that compares to the rest of the industry but impressive either way

also ik most hosting companies do this but I like that you can rent by the hour

I can just make a VPS to test something and only spend like gasp five cents

[potent fossil]

yea

[cosmic raft]

no actually

[twin lagoon]

smh

discord.gg/tuinity

[wispy blade]

tuinity = rat OMEGALUL

that only happens if you're an idiot and don't download it from official, reliable sources

[vestal jasper]

Possible they're someone who isn't active in paper or relevant communities

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[wispy blade]

10/10 would date

[vestal jasper]

If I didn't know of tuinity and some random player told me to use it i'd be a little suspicious of it

[wispy blade]

i wouldn't immediately say tuinity's a rat though

[vestal jasper]

Yeah I'd just say something like "I'll look into it"

[brave radish]

"yeah let's go around saying that the guy who makes Tuinity is spreading viruses and then realize he regularly contributes to Paper" - people who haven't heard of Tuinity before and want to sound smart

[waxen panther]

yea bro tuinity is malware

maybe leaf should hire a public relations team 🙂

[wide chasm]

You heard it here first folks

[magic river]

If someone joins your server and tells you to use some different server software if your first guess isn't "this is a RAT" you're doing it wrong

[brave radish]

he has one. you're in it. it's just his mods

[waxen panther]

wtf!

no!

i exclusively advertise craftbukkit

[wispy blade]

leaf should indeed hire a pull request team Kappa

[brave radish]

ah yes

the PR jokes

[waxen panther]

i intentionally spelled out the words to avoid this smh

[brave radish]

lol

[wispy blade]

you cannot avoid the funny when there's a naom around

[worn ember]

[void void]

Could you please send me a plugin that handles ban, kick and mute for bungeecord?

[minor badge]

litebans and advancedbans

[worn ember]

averagebans

[nova plume]

pain.

[meager tusk]

Ok

[ashen cliff]

Ok.

[nova plume]

its j wsl being wsl

[warm anchor]

Ok

[waxen panther]

Ok

[meager tusk]

Sucks I guess

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[nova plume]

bro

[ashen cliff]

So many bad thing happened today. Look at this bro: https://posili.me/i/2021-05-30_19-56-22.png

[potent fossil]

[warm anchor]

Sir will authme suoport java16

[ashen cliff]

Already does.

[ashen cliff]

Guess the server bro.

[potent fossil]

I have no idea bro

[meager tusk]

Least NSFW discord in the world

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-05-30_19-57-14.png

Fact bro.

Least NFSW server.

[nova plume]

......

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1398826689992482819?s=19

𝘼𝙥𝙚𝙭𝘼𝙡𝙥𝙝𝙖𝙅 (@ApexAlphaJ)

Is it me or Sony be making their lead female protagonist look masculine as hell..barely no curves or rough non feminine features..Unlike the average woman. Like *cough cough..TLOU2’s Ellie…etc. Just saying #My2cents
Pic from the game on the left, fan made on right. Hire fans lol

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Twitter · May 30, 2021, 2:20 AM

I just saw this

And I have lost all faith in man kind

MAN kind in particular

[worn ember]

what server

[ashen cliff]

Bro. Look up bro.

[magic river]

Why does she look like a model?

[meager tusk]

Maybe cause she is a model.

[waxen panther]

gottem

[meager tusk]

One made in modelling software.

[meager tusk]

Also no this is just average Serbian woman @ashen cliff confirm bro

[waxen panther]

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399052189214121987?s=20

𝘼𝙥𝙚𝙭𝘼𝙡𝙥𝙝𝙖𝙅 (@ApexAlphaJ)

All I hear is bunch of Beta males….on here…Very unfortunate. More butt hurt I suppose. I love feminine women and just want to see more of it🤷🏾

Twitter · May 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

[vernal moth]

Right side is what incels what the gal to look like, in an apocalypse, left side is one unfortunate screen shot

[waxen panther]

lmao

[magic river]

lol, he immediately went to "freedom of speech" in his reply to people telling him how dumb he is

[vernal moth]

For a better screen shot

[wispy blade]

that is a feminine woman

kinda reminds me of my aunt

[meager tusk]

Reminds me of 100% of Serbian women.

[worn ember]

female too male

[vernal moth]

She looks way more attractive than the bitch on the right, lmao

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

bitch on the right looks fake as hell

[minor badge]

i'd say the same if the one on the left was you mini

[meager tusk]

Maybe cause she is

It's a 3d model

[worn ember]

right one should be in a l'oreal commercial

[wispy blade]

they're both fake

[minor badge]

both of them are game characters

[wispy blade]

they're from horizon zero dawn lmao