so which PR should I avoid reviewing?
#general
vernal moth
waxen panther
guess 
cunning raft
ok
vernal moth
brocc is special
quasi valley
weirdchamp
vernal moth
special needs kid
minor badge
who ever said we ain't lol
minor badge
broccolai is epic and we love him therefore he gets less rules X X X X XX
waxen panther
looks better than OskarZygTV to me 
waxen panther
its the name still linked
waxen panther
looks like its blocked in england lol
waxen panther
๐ฌ
mental meadow
@cunning raft 
cunning raft
<@!194473148161327104> <:meowangery:498258751581716497>
wat
cunning raft
why are we bad 
waxen panther
aoreweoraawa on the war path today
worn ember
Netsky gang
green edge
Why are you looking for a scalable proxy setup?
Bungee is generally capable of holding a couple hundred players on each instance
you need more you create more
very few servers need self-deploying proxies
same thing
just upload on all of them
unless you have more than 10
in which case you can create a sync tool to bother less
spare gazelle
Guys, any advice for this lag spike? https://timings.aikar.co/?id=4d1f42a01a4d4f30be50951b05f5108f
void void
Jesus I have like 7 songs to upload
dusk drift
.java11
limber knotBOT
Follow the guides for how to update to Java 11 here: https://gist.github.com/Proximyst/67615353e2575a71faaff3f7ae9cc2b4
spare gazelle
I'm surprised by how low the TPS loss is for 500 players
waxen panther
lol
spare gazelle
Basically adventure without interaction
formal turret
500 people in a 29 chunk area?
spare gazelle
kind monolith
hello
anyone can tell best lucky block plugin please for free ?
woven otter
doubt it
vestal jasper
No sorry my rate is $30/h
frigid lion
woven otter
paper should just add a channel for plugin suggestions
magic river
No sorry my rate is $30/h
Wow you're cheap ๐
woven otter
๐
brave radish
hello
anyone can tell best lucky block plugin please for free ?
they can: https://discord.gg/Dx6SSkx
woven otter
oh no not larry
magic river
In this community $30/h is probably almost impossible to get anyway, more would get you laughed at
vestal jasper
Let's be real $5 plugins aren't an uncommon thing in this community
woven otter
true people expect premium plugin prices
but they also dont understand the reasoning of those prices
waxen panther
its norway day
vestal jasper
People expect custom work for the same price as public premium plugins and don't understand the fundamental difference
woven otter
if you want to get a good rate just ask @worn ember
woven otter
People expect custom work for the same price as public premium plugins and don't...
ok vic
vestal jasper
Ok fuck
What
Autocorrect?
That's backwards. Since when does it change duck to fuck lmao.
magic river
$30/h as a contractor would be like being a salaried employee making ~$40,000, iirc
burnt heart
That's backwards. Since when does it change duck to fuck lmao.
autocorrect learns from the user it serves ๐
vestal jasper
True but I typed a correctly spelled word
magic river
Actually probably more like $30,000, since you have to price for not having consistent work too
vestal jasper
Im not even accepting anything rn anyway 
I can't imagine doing mc stuff my entire day, doing mc personal projects after that, and then on top of that accepting mc commissions.
magic river
You work for a network already?
waxen panther
a preettttyyy big one
magic river
I thought they did their own game now
limber knotBOT
btw. who else is getting spammed by let's encrypt right now? xD
vernal bone
I'm. Got like 6-8 mails from them just today.
magic river
Everyone who relies on a FIPS certified OpenSSL is going to fail on LE certs anyway
Starting in October iirc
vestal jasper
Not hypixel no
I hope to improve more and eventually get past my impostor syndrome tbh
I'm starting to gain confidence in my code 
If you asked me for my rate last year I would've said $20 lol
brave radish
btw. who else is getting spammed by let's encrypt right now? xD
โ
worn ember
if you want to get a good rate just ask <@!208641151509463051>
ducks dont have rights to ping me
woven otter
@worn ember
worn ember
woven otter
@worn ember bruh that's hurtful
worn ember
twin lagoon
vernal bone
Purchase an ssl cert for only and only 99,99โฌ!
twin lagoon
nothing is happening with LE
frank otter
Everyone who relies on a FIPS certified OpenSSL is going to fail on LE certs any...
this
what does it mean
wait no nvm I'm dumb
nothing happening
I want a domain
most likely sitemap.xml
frank otter
might be also Google webmasters idk
magic river
In OpenSSL 1.0.x, a quirk in certificate verification means that even clients that trust ISRG Root X1 will fail when presented with the Android-compatible certificate chain we are recommending by default.
frank otter
is there openssl 2.x.x
magic river
So after September if you aren't using OpenSSL 1.1 or newer you will see all LE certificates as invalid
frank otter
oh ok
magic river
The OpenSSL 1.1 FIPS certified version doesn't come out until after September though
frank otter
idk if this is the right place to ask but wheres the best place to get a domain name
magic river
namecheap
frank otter
did not know that .google is a valid ending
floral mesa
there is also namecheap, godaddy, and if you want your domain to suddenly stop working if someone buys your domain, freenom
frank otter
freenom sounds like fun
wraith trail
but its free
frank otter
more fun
limpid comet
did not know that .google is a valid ending
A lot of companies have their own gtlds
magic river
I'm surprised they don't use their gTLD to make things like https://mail.google work
frank otter
https://classroom.google my friend said worked once
not sure if he was waddling
*ff
frank otter
bloody heck that's a lot of random stuff from Google
minor badge
they're huge, they might as well
magic river
Welcome to megacorps
worthy geode
https://8888.google/ also works for their dns server
waxen panther
nice
frank otter
it's a mobile app?
minor badge
among other things yes
magic river
I forget, who owns 4.2.2.2? Level 3?
frank otter
i have discovered the freenom experience
magic river
The mobile app uses a local VPN to change your DNS in every app (except ones that uses DNS-over-TLS or DNS-over-HTTPS)
It also provides an actual VPN service
frank otter
that's neat
magic river
It's also just a pain to edit all your wifi connections and such on your phone to change their DNS
So the local VPN gives you one place to change it for every connection
vernal moth
Don't need a local vpn got that tho, it's a seperate setting in modern android
worthy geode
My phone just has a setting "DNS" for all connections, yeah
vernal moth
worthy geode
I use that for adblocking
vernal moth
The private DNS overrides per connection dns iirc
magic river
per-network is bad, we want to set it for every network ๐
vernal moth
Which is what the private DNS setting does
void void
Sheeeeeeesh ๐ฅถ ๐ฅถ
wraith trail
what do you mean?
frank otter
everything is not available
vernal moth
Sheeeeeeesh ๐ฅถ ๐ฅถ
First ssd you owned?
wraith trail
.g how does dns work
limber knotBOT
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Z750#0750 - DNS - result 1 of 10
waxen panther
sulu can you look at this guy in paper dev
i dont think its mod ping worthy but
they're... something
basedstone got him
olive marlin
upper flicker
play nice peoples
void void
i don't
lethal locust
My life in a nutshell:
User/buyer has an issue
You ask them what fork they use. They reply with "paper/paperspigot"
You scratch your head, but issue still persists for some time
Eventually, you ask them to do /version, and it replies back with some weird fork name
People really don't understand that a fork of Paper is not Paper
lethal locust
same happens with spigot
what fork do you use? Uhm, spigot
do /ver, MineSpigot is the fork
worn ember
OurSpigot
lethal locust
dude, it's just annoying to perfection
waxen panther
BroccolaiSpogit
lethal locust
a fork of something is not that something
vivid marten
When you ask which version people are on they always go latest
worn ember
dude who said my plugin was broken and used airplane never got back to me xD
lethal locust
When you ask which version people are on they always go latest
yeah ๐
worn ember
so i figured it was airplane after all
vestal jasper
Remember there is no barrier to entry for devs and admins.
I've learned to not trust what users say and go straight to them giving me /version.
Blindly trust, I mean
worn ember
yeah dont take their word for it, logs or gtfo
lethal locust
What version do you use?
Latest (Latest being 1.3)
Please do /pluginName
version is 1.0
vivid marten
And in the end they're 6 months out of date ๐
lethal locust
yeah yeah, totally latest
vivid marten
Aw too slow on phone
vestal jasper
The people who ask for help are the people who couldn't figure the solution out themselves.
Not that people can't ask for help, but the very nature of them being there means they don't fully know what's going on.
vivid marten
I've even had people not using our plugin but another one ;/
vestal jasper
I've seen some fun support requests for plugins
People who use sketchy or inhouse permission plugins reporting issues with permissions, for example
When all I do is check hasPermission lmao
lethal locust
see, answer this
vivid marten
That's always fun
lethal locust
someone bought something for me, it's a plugin, so you already know it's cheap
now, after trying to help them almost all day by having them tell me wrong fork information, they may ask for a refund
should I be like? You will get your money back, how will I get my time back?
vivid marten
Ouch
lethal locust
it's honest question. I won't get my time back, so get half your money back and be happy
vivid marten
I've only been supporting free plugins so far and the 1 stars for support when people don't even ask triggers me
lethal locust
because my terms allow it, in such a case, I allow a 50% refund
novel horizon
Well that's on you then ^^
lethal locust
I've only been supporting free plugins so far and the 1 stars for support when p...
i once released a free plugin that took off, it was a free limited version of my paid anticheat
I took it down within weeks, I was tired of dealing with stupid reviews
vivid marten
Yeah so many bad reviews
lethal locust
one guy left a review, I helped them, they deleted it, and when they had a problem again, they left a review once more
another one told me the limited version of the paid plugin is better than the paid plugin
so I was like "that's it, that's enough"
magic river
When you say paid you of course mean they were paying for builds and all your code is on a public github repo anyway, right? ๐
novel horizon
xd
lethal locust
well, I do provide a form of the source to comply, but only when asked, and no one asks
vestal jasper
I've only been supporting free plugins so far and the 1 stars for support when p...
no support old version????? 1*
lethal locust
Also, it's funny when someone donates money and then tries to chargeback
paypal is like, no, that's why we donate, we give wealth for a cause
vivid marten
no support old version????? 1*
Yeah the worst cases of this is people asking for 1.7 kcauldron support. Or even people complaining that our plugin doesn't work with modded items
(Using spigot and forge hybrids)
lethal locust
I had someone offer me a bunch of money to make my anticheat compatible with 1.6-1.6.4
I looked at the api of that age, was like, sorry bud
when people offer you good money for something and you don't it, you know that something is bad bad
unkempt drift
1.6?
lethal locust
yea
unkempt drift
why 1.6, like at least the 1.8 people can give you a reason
lethal locust
no 1.8, not 1.7, freaking 1.16
unkempt drift
wait, 1.6, or 1.16
lethal locust
1.8 can no longer give me a reason
vivid marten
1.6*
lethal locust
I used to love 1.8 but it's been how long? 6+ years
I only support it because I already made the libraries for it, otherwise I wouldn't
vivid marten
Yeah it's time to move on ;/
unkempt drift
lethal locust
wait 6 years there and then move to latest
woven otter
so no clarification 
lethal locust
I knew it, I freaking knew it
waxen panther
I freaking knew it
lethal locust
someone would send how old it is
unkempt drift
took me like 4 tries to get the URL right in my browser
woven otter
well it is old
vivid marten
Doesn't suprise me tbh
lethal locust
58% use 1.16 hopefully
vivid marten
I honestly expected more 1.8 users
waxen panther
always was
lethal locust
using OldCombatMechanics is more than recommended
vivid marten
I've been playing a lot of 1.9+ pvp over the recent years so that's what I prefer 
void void
Legacy pvp mechanics ๐คข
At least legacy pvp implementations on newer versions, its just unplayable
void void
but the combat system is utter garbage
false
void void
why
merry talon
spam clicking lol
using 1.8 today is like driving a ford pinto today because you like the fact that they explode sometimes
void void
imagine using 1.8 lol
true canyon
Imagine supporting 1.8 because it's more than a third of your plugin's userbase
void void
Yeah i absolutely dont understand people who support 1.8. Yes, pvp was fun, but this is not a reason to reject progress and updates
unkempt drift
what is SpaceSpigot
mossy vessel
Spigot
true canyon
IN SPACE
cunning raft
mfs just changed every string to their shitty mcm name
true canyon
Upsetting is the 1.7.10 users are gone! I worked so hard to support them, too.
Speaking of that, are there any new Java features likely to show up in publicly exposed Paper API any time soon, completely screwing me over? ๐
peak ginkgo
Can we please find the people on 1.16.1-1.16.4 and help them
unkempt drift
adding lots of pattern matching, and replacing every variable declaration with var as we speak ๐
true canyon
Can we please find the people on 1.16.1-1.16.4 and help them
I had a "My plugins are all tested on 1.16.4, I'm staying on it for now thanks" last week
cunning raft
Speaking of that, are there any new Java features likely to show up in publicly ...
yeah that will be fun 
void void
Who even needs 1.16.1
cunning raft
you could hack around that can't you? as long as you don't use those new features
true canyon
adding lots of pattern matching, and replacing every variable declaration with `...
Brilliant! But really, though, I've been trying to think of ways that API could be declared that would be problematic and I'm not coming up with anything immediately.
peak ginkgo
I had a "My plugins are all tested on 1.16.4, I'm staying on it for now thanks" ...
Most of them are fine! :(
My favorite is just going "try it."
true canyon
My favorite is just going "try it."
I struggle to get some users to restart their server to put in an updated, fixed jar that they specifically asked for to resolve some odd bug only they experienced. I'm like "I did this for you, please now do this for me so we can confirm it's working" and they're just like... nah I can't
unkempt drift
var wont be an issue tho right? cause the type is still inferred at compile time
true canyon
Isn't that only local variables?
unkempt drift
yeah
true canyon
Just imagining an interface with var getSurprise();
peak ginkgo
Maven actually will complain if it can't figure it out
Can't speak for Gradle I don't use it day to day
twin lagoon
gradle epic
unkempt drift
For example, if we use it with the diamond operator introduced in Java 7:
var empList = new ArrayList<>();
The type of empList will be ArrayList<Object>and not List<Object>.
didnt know that, but I guess it makes sense
peak ginkgo
Gradle doesn't like Git Bash so I don't like it
I have to set TERM= for gradle to look alright
true canyon
Yeah, goes against what I was taught- defining variables as the most super interface that meets your expectations for its purpose, not the implementation! ๐
unkempt drift
yeah exactly
basically, I see myself using var mainly for iterators for entry sets from a map
var iterator
is better than
Iterator<Entry<BigLongThing, OtherBigThing>> iterator
and then var for the entries themselves
(and other stuff like that, just long types essentially)
peak ginkgo
I've purposefully used var as a cop out solution to face some issue I was having in lombok
unkempt drift
doesnt lombok have its own var/val thing or smth?
upper flicker
makes generics so much nicer sometimes though ๐ฆ
cunning raft
yeah i'm just afraid people will start overusing it
upper flicker
probably will
peak ginkgo
for (var plugin : getPlugins().toArray()) { // Lombok is a gift to this world
I wrote this :<
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
upper flicker
but do you want to kill every decent feature because idiots will use it wrong?
upper flicker
rip threads
wide chasm
I just put var guidelines in my style guide, problem solved
woven otter
back to essentials you go
wide chasm
They're also really strict, so now you can barely use them
cunning raft
ashen cliff
OOP was a mistake.
woven otter
programming was a mistake
here's a question: if you send a message to someone and that someone wakes up because of a notification. are you at fault or the person not turning off the sound/internet? 
ashen cliff
It's their fault for not buying a OnePlus phone.
Since then they would get the notification 10 days later.
woven otter
ashen cliff
At first it was annoying, now it's just epic and a very good excuse.
vestal jasper
I'd disagree but I started noticing a few apps would not show notifications until days later
new phone and I don't have the issue with the apps lmao
ashen cliff
Like OP has a very strict sleep policy. So it just kills everything if the phone isn't charging.
novel horizon
@void void For now worldborder is 100k, 50k to each side, so quite a lot. I need to change it, however, I don't want to change it, because some people might have something a little bit too far (I don't think so, but still) - I deleted End few weeks back, people flying there too much (it's not bordered) and End alone had like 40+ GB, which is kinda funny
Now I have it at 76 GB overworld, 10 GB Nether, 7 GB End
So I'm not sure what to do, best thing would be just to create new world and whatever
golden gust
virgin media, shamefully
I mean, VM is great when shit works
Just, because they're the only one who roll their own stuff when shit doesn't work well you gotta deal with vm support and sometimes it can take a good while for them to actually resolve it, if they do
then again, openreaches network is literally overaged to all shit and falling apart but they're working on a replacement, slowly
golden gust
Well, openreach does FTTC, not FTTP, so your speeds are limited there, assuming they offer fibre
VM don't block ports but are excessive around preventing piracy on their network but I've yet to personally trip their warnings
but, VM offers much better speeds than even openreach fibre, so
VMs is okay
unkempt drift
๐
hey, its 50% better than my internet
download-wise
its 9x better than mine upload wise
novel horizon
Yeah I got recently an upgrade, because why not
I paid like $12 a month and now I pay about $14 and got this
https://www.speedtest.net/result/11433792314.png
The connection before was 100/100, like 99% of the time it was 95/95 so quite fine
But for just $2,5 more I can get this? Why not lol
wraith oracle
it is weird to see a company offering as much or even more upload speed than download speed
novel horizon
It's 1000/1000, but ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Also it might fluctuate I'm doing something with download, but I don't mind lol
Now i'm quite happy with this
Before I had some moments that were like need to pause/slow down something so I can do this or that
wide chasm
new phone and I don't have the issue with the apps lmao
Bit late, but noticed that I get email notifications very late. Sometimes I got a notification of Travis that my build from 7 hours ago passed, while I can't even remember what change I made.
wraith oracle
I'd like to have a 1000/1000 connection speed just so I can seed a lot of torrents tbh
novel horizon
Before? Maybe. Today? Not seeding any torrents, ty
true canyon
I'd like to have a 1000/1000 connection speed just so I can seed a lot of torren...
So many linux ISOs so little time!
novel horizon
Most things you can just download directly with no problem
But torrents are mostly just piracy things
true canyon
Someone in another discord was recently talking about writing some Java code to manipulate their MC host as a linux distro's package mirror.
wraith oracle
But torrents are mostly just piracy things
the whole international anime industry is based off pirating so not much to be done there
novel horizon
To me, yeah, I live in Czech, so conversion is like $14,35
299 CZK / monthly
James what are you doing
true canyon
NO VACANCY
wraith oracle
I pay ~15 dollars for 30/8 fiber, lmao
cunning raft
please contact wizjany for bookings at mbax's cat carrier
wraith oracle
cries in devaluated argentinian peso
novel horizon
Peso is nice
golden gust
leave wiz alone
vestal jasper
oh god
novel horizon
In argentinian peso "oh look i have 1 000 000 im rich"
(Do actually)
I don't know what to do with the worlds on mc :/ should i create new one, or just make the old one bigger and so.. idk
formal turret
terrifying
royal kernel
Dont use the internet 
potent fossil
lol
@merry talon re way back when discord did the anti nsfw thing, i just found this setting on PC https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Treasured-Africanporcupine-bd.png
๐ค
potent fossil
It wasn't there when they did that tho, must be a new setting
Let me check on my iPad
It is not
merry talon
hmm
ancient bolt
I thought discord still had the NSFW filter
merry talon
As long as you can open discord in safari and it's there 
potent fossil
They do
ancient bolt
oh i remember something about being on the apple store they had to leave it out because otherwise they would have to mark the app as containing adult content or w/e
potent fossil
The drama was a server being marked as NSFW by discord itself if too many reports came in, and then any discord user on iOS could not join that server period
merry talon
oh i remember something about being on the apple store they had to leave it out ...
Apple straight up doesn't allow adult content
potent fossil
However, now there is a setting (on windows at least) in the privacy menu where you can override that
merry talon
don't think you can mark it as that even
merry talon
yeah
cunning raft
must be some workaround for an ios guideline
potent fossil
yea
ancient bolt
similar to how netflix gets around google's and apples rules around payments. You cannot have any purchases for content in your app without going through google or apple's payment systems, so with netflix, the app only lets you log in to an existing account. You can't sign up for netflix through the app because of that, though
ancient bolt
that applies to basically all big subscription services at this point, if they can afford to run their own payment infrastructure, they do, but they do it outside of the app so they don't have to go through the mobile payment systems which takes 30%
ancient bolt
yeah, has to be a big enough name that people just know
cunning raft
and apple doesn't let you charge 30% more on ios
lmfao
iirc android does allow that
potent fossil
They should
potent fossil
But oh well, just found that interesting when I was looking at my settings
Wonder if it's on mac too
let me check
cunning raft
given they don't use mac app store i imagine so
potent fossil
You are right
So aight, not a big deal for ios users anymore
Was kinda big before that setting
merry talon
I still don't understand why that option can't exist in the ios app, its still people explicitly agreeing to it either way
but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cunning raft
Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content, Chatroulette-style experiences, objectification of real people (e.g. โhot-or-notโ voting), making physical threats, or bullying do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice. If your app includes user-generated content from a web-based service, it may display incidental mature โNSFWโ content, provided that the content is hidden by default and only displayed when the user turns it on via your website.
potent fossil
bc apple
cunning raft
there it is
potent fossil
it's not in the android app either
cunning raft
** it may display incidental mature โNSFWโ content, provided that the content is hidden by default and only displayed when the user turns it on via your website.**
potent fossil
however i may not be updated on android, let me verify lol
merry talon
well you don't need it on android and presumably you wouldn't have both devices so meh
merry talon
Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content ... do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice.
apple said sex is a sin
warm anchor
The drama was a server being marked as NSFW by discord itself if too many report...
my biggest fear 
potent fossil
my biggest fear <a:run:811430329884606464>
warm anchor
It was funny af when Azur Lane Partnered server posting swimsuit anime ship girl pictures to Discord Dev and ask them if they are considered NSFW 
potent fossil
warm anchor
Google "Azur Lane swimsuit" and you will get an idea what I am talking about coz even their official arts are kinda 
potent fossil
bruh moment
merry talon
warm anchor
Imagine if they are partnered with Azur Lane as their core community and got yeet'd out by Discord because they post official artworks from the game itself. 
pulsar wigeon
kancolle discord forbids posting game cg of questionably aged characters too lol
warm anchor
Yeah that's probably due to the same Discord issue of never really defining what is ok or what not. ( I mean it's kinda hard to draw the line when it comes to some CGIs)
Discord also rely on its auto filters to do most of the work (One you are forced to enable if you want to open your server up as community server)
Otherwise, everything else is report based
pulsar wigeon
tbf the auto filter shit is terrible
novel horizon
Hmm Aikar ๐ค
cunning raft
tbf the auto filter shit is terrible
probably some AI model they trained once and never touched again
golden gust
Wiz is just upset that the model can't differentiate between boobs and moobs
pulsar wigeon
https://i.imgur.com/PMeIqXy.png this is 2 yrs old~ dunno if they've improved the filter since but uh yea
golden gust
LOL
warm anchor
Not really LOL
The filter is still kinda bad. Any skin toned pictures or similar one has high chance to be removed/blocked still.
potent fossil
Lol
novel horizon
Alright so I talked about this - I reported the bug with long nick as numbers.. And now I got another answer after 3 days.
Could you check and make sure you're on the latest operating system version, your drivers are up to date, and most importantly antivirus is disabled as these are the common reasons why the app is unable to install and update?
If reinstalling didn't help, could you try these versions of the desktop client to see if it helps?```How does my operating system version, latest drivers and antivirus disabled helps with finding for users on Discord O_o
Well, whatever, I won't be talking about it anymore ๐คทโโ๏ธ
warm anchor
sounds like a canned answer
potent fossil
Just like when krusic told them about a valid amplification attack and got politely told to fuck off
warm anchor
damn. I guess they just need to be fucked in the ass once to take stuff people reporting to them seriously
I mean their bug report program is already vetted no? (like no dumb user can go in)
unkempt drift
no, any activity removes the state label
left swift
Stale just like my bread
spiral robin
@warm anchor gn
potent fossil
@spiral robin why no gn to me
spiral robin
@potent fossil gn xoxoxooxoxoxoxox
potent fossil
@spiral robin gn ๐ฅบ 
vernal moth
Hmm Aikar ๐ค
@slim nymph, not sure if you know, but your website broke because some of your deps require modern PHP
novel horizon
Website works fine, /lp doesn't, idk what that is, it was link from Aikar's Github
Oh well, Aikar's gonna fix that later probably ^^ ๐
vernal moth
I still feel like this deserves a ping so he's aware ^^
slim nymph
spiral robin
Hi
spiral robin
I cannot sleep
potent fossil
spiral robin
Larry is telling me a bedtime story currently
potent fossil
Go Larry, go!
swift root
Larry is telling me a bedtime story currently
literally talking to other people while i do my best to make you doze wtf
vestal jasper
@potent fossil
potent fossil
@vestal jasper
vestal jasper
hi
potent fossil
hi
novel horizon
Does any of you know https://minestorecms.com ? Somebody asked about it in Ptero discord, looks kinda nice, but also weird, especially some parts of the website
Why is here Lorem Ipsum .. ? ๐
potent fossil
never heard of it, but it's likely brand spanking new or a scam
potent fossil
Nice design but that design could be ripped
novel horizon
Yeah, of course
potent fossil
their homepage almost certainly looks like a downloaded template
novel horizon
Icons for FB/Instagram doesn't work either
potent fossil
this gives me a hint
<style type="text/css">
.page-businesses .slide-3 .right{width: 100% !important;}
</style>
the .page-businesses seems like a css class they didn't or forgot to rename
also logo-white/logo-blue pointing to the same logo
novel horizon
Also they have install script wonder what's in there ๐ค if it's really legit
Also weird thing is why there's no "Pricing" or something clearly shown
Someone saying that they used it before already few times and it's fine, but it's really weird
potent fossil
also has broken html, the typo is a missing space which would lead me to believe they were in that line deleting stuff and deleted a bit too much
But also only "100+" customers, so could be new. Even if it is a template page, that's not exactly "bad"
but yeah the social media links are pointing to #facebook and #instagram
novel horizon
If you want to buy the license key and check prices or so you need to login, idk. Looks nice, but suspicious
Yeah said that, also really weird
potent fossil
I ain't buying shet
novel horizon
Yeah, me neither lol ^^ just curious what people think here if someone knows it
novel horizon
lol
novel horizon
Maybe they just bought it lol
potent fossil
Yeah, that's fair. It's not "bad", but it's lazy
golden gust
landing pages are pretty much the norm these days, very few people seem to create their own pages these days for this type of stuff
potent fossil
it can lead to other issues
novel horizon
Yeah, in some ways it's weird, but I don't mind - what I mind is not editing it properly
novel horizon
Invalid links? Lorem Ipsum texts? Like what the
peak ginkgo
I've learned never to trust anything from the Minecraft community unless I know the owner.
potent fossil
Yup
golden gust
CMS = WYSIWYG editor
novel horizon
They have install script also lol
potent fossil
Benefit of the doubt, could be a very new product and they have more stuff to do
mental meadow
DeJay? Who is that, don't know them.
waxen panther
DeWho?
golden gust
I mean, being frank, creating this type of stuff is really not that hard
novel horizon
Looking at their install script now
golden gust
like, practically anybody with some level of basic web skills can do this type of stuff
peak ginkgo
mental meadow
<:Sadge:715448677162024980>
golden gust
Biggest concern is always going to be "how well did they secure it"
novel horizon
Yeah
mental meadow
like, practically anybody with some level of basic web skills can do this type o...
Thing is, stuff like that will never reach the quality of properly developed websites, like
.kneny
for example
limber knotBOT
novel horizon
Especially someone said (who is using it)
That's also a bad thing though
lol even that video Korobi
golden gust
self hosted is fine so long as you know it's built by somebody who knows what they're doing
novel horizon
well at least i laughed ^^
mental meadow
I wanted to have that video autoplay in the background but for some reason browser completely locked down autoplay stuff, can't imagine why
potent fossil
just hopped in their disc 
https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Rundown-Wallaby-f0.png
novel horizon
Although I kinda understand you, I'm glad it don't autoplay it
Yeah lol ^^ ๐
Ban in 3..2..1..
what the
potent fossil
Well if so, then we know for sure
novel horizon
their shop "plugin" is a zip from their site
just some zip
Like they couldn't post it somewhere with more info
oh look
potent fossil
the panel they use is definitely also a template but that's also not necessarily bad
potent fossil
i've seen this before, buy page was given to me as a possible backend for a prior freelance job
it's called Adminium or something
mental meadow
Imagine having a proper website that isn't just an empty template
waxen panther
awouaouworuaorua
potent fossil
like i said, the templates are not necessarily red flags. more like yellow flags of "use caution"
novel horizon
Also I use WordPress ๐ don't be angry at me
ashen cliff
Automatically updated
Lost me there.
mental meadow
I think i don't have anything but empty templates as homepages rip
novel horizon
Well it's really weird
mental meadow
simple wanna make my homepage pretty 
potent fossil
simple wanna make my homepage pretty <a:hypershy:759703837010427906>
i don't know if i have the skills for that
golden gust
Issue is that it's also one of those environments where to do anything you basically need several plugins
novel horizon
I was like "Oh this isn't so bad that number of vulnerabilities"
golden gust
and then you need a theme...
mental meadow
I use WP for a few projects mostly because ease of use for stupid people
And i just make sure everything is up to date and secure
novel horizon
Thanks ^^
golden gust
It's the horror of CMSes, really
potent fossil
looks like the dev of that is leaving the project as well @novel horizon
golden gust
By the time you have the entire plugin set you want you're often relying on far too many projects for something sane
novel horizon
Sure its not good, but okay
novel horizon
looks like the dev of that is leaving the project as well <@!207878545727291392>
Like.. they have multiple devs? Or?
potent fossil
his recent messages indicate he is creating a final version to pass off to new developers
nope
novel horizon
oh lol
golden gust
and often you're there to like, set it up, and then you get paid a few months down the line after it's been exploited...
novel horizon
so the one dev that created it is leaving it?
potent fossil
that's what I'm gathering yes
novel horizon
What else should I use, Cat
golden gust
That's the sad part
Outside of static site generation assuming its for yourself, GLHF, basically
novel horizon
Yeah
I don't want some html site and I won't do some good php site by myself, lol
I'd say WP isn't great, sure, but it can't be that bad... right.. right?
potent fossil
Directus is a nice custom headless CMS. You set up all your custom data types and it exposes a full rest resource API with authentication and you can just make your frontend
Not sure how high it can scale, but it does work
Mini uses it for enterprise stuff
golden gust
it's the horror of any plugin induced environment, really
novel horizon
On WP I have now 5 active plugins, and they're just some additions I find useful
Well so I'm just left with WP anyway ^^
golden gust
if you can keep it lite, that's good
Most sites I've worked with generally have many more than 5
novel horizon
Yeah, they tend to do a lot of things
potent fossil
Throwback to my last long term freelance job which was using Wordpress as a social network with 60 plugins
Admin panel barely worked anymore and frontend was SLOW
novel horizon
The one I use is like poll addon, minecraft status widget, sitebuilder which makes it easier to just create some things while editing pages
60 plugins? Damn
I'd like to see the updates
golden gust
Theres often stuff required for themes, pretty little things, some random updater plugin for some theme or some addon, and then you'll have a theem which is often either old and if you're lucky was legally bought, a plugin for caching because WP is slow as fucking balls in these environments...
potent fossil
Was 90 before I forced them to cull the really unneeded ones
novel horizon
lol
potent fossil
I'm unfortunately not kidding
novel horizon
I could cut one of even now
Was trying some plugin for SEO info
Recent Posts Widget Extended, Server Status for MC, Polls, SEO, Page Builder
I just need a normal website, not much
And I used Joomla quite some time before, but.. I just left it
ashen cliff
Just mention Drupal and like 50 Germans will show up.
novel horizon
It's gonna be like 8+ years since I've touched anything from Joomla
oh Drupal I've heard about that
Is it good? ๐ค WP should be decent tho, still updates and such
novel horizon
๐ฆ
golden gust
last I recall, drupal was 'eh
I'm pretty sure I tried toying with it and it was nothing special, felt kinda limited in terms of what was available but that was years ago
novel horizon
I think Drupal is too basic, from what I remember
Yeah I didn't heard about Drupal for quite some time now
Completely forgot it existed a bit
golden gust
idk if I overloaded my computer or if their site is just slow as balls...
golden gust
Yea
novel horizon
๐
Homepage took like 1 sec to load at most, not even that, most thing are at 500 ms
ashen cliff
Drupal is secure and fast. Since it has no plugins and you have to make everything yourself.
golden gust
So, basically, for me, both
ashen cliff
So all security issues are blamed on the user not the platform.
golden gust
Like, they don't even have theme previews
novel horizon
Well WP shouldn't be that insecure, right? Sure nothing is 100% secure, but
golden gust
I mean, it's fine, biggest implication these days is the fact that most sites need stupid numbers of plugins because reasons
novel horizon
Yeah plugins bring quite a lot of insecurities, at least some do
ashen cliff
WP will at some point become the most secure platform.
Since there are so many people searching for bugs and exploits.
golden gust
Pretty much, lol
novel horizon
when I'm talking about it I should probably backup it again with db and update it
Yeah, that's the thing too
Quite a lot of people use WP
Not like some minestorecms ๐
potent fossil
Basically got told "our product is not the landing page" (yes it is) and told to fuck off.
So, there we go. Not worth the time or effort.
novel horizon
I was interested kinda, lol
novel horizon
But now looks like shit
Not only the website, but also the people behind it? Ew
The website raises a lot of questions tho, so
potent fossil
Oh well. I'm over it. Back to Star Trek.
golden gust
which one?
novel horizon
Yeah ^^
novel horizon
we talked about some random thing someone asked in Ptero discord
novel horizon
Does any of you know https://minestorecms.com ? Somebody asked about it in Ptero...
here
Wanna know what our panel does? Lorem Ipsum dolor sit amet ๐
vernal moth
Mini uses it for enterprise stuff
literally fiddling in node_modules rn to try to debug something
enterprise
potent fossil
He told me that he knows who I am and that I don't want to buy. 95% of customers don't care about the landing page and that my advice (?) is useless.
So, okay. Good luck with the product.
novel horizon
Well, people who .. I don't wanna say it like that - who aren't experienced that much surely don't look at it that way
golden gust
couch
potent fossil
> literally fiddling in node_modules rn to try to debug something
> enterprise
sounds enterprise to me
vernal moth
mostly because its not really a cms
novel horizon
It looked kinda nice to me, even the demo
vernal moth
its just a reeeaaallly nice DB client basically
potent fossil
That's true
novel horizon
It's 40$ one time payment though and nothing else, seemed kinda okay, I couldn't make it by myself for sure, so
Why not pay someone for that
potent fossil
Atm my website is still on Strapi, which is...okay. It works. But it likes to stop responding to requests a lot for no reason whatsoever.
Latest update only kinda fixed that
vernal moth
but what more could I ever want? I can click together a db model and get a graphql api and even let my users edit the content without fucking stuff up?
potent fossil
Never had an issue with directus that wasn't fixed in next release
novel horizon
Need to go backup and update my WP now ^^
vernal moth
strapi is horrible in every way really, sadly they got money
I prototyped with it and it was so horrible
potent fossil
Yeah it's pretty bad
vernal moth
considering directus is more or less a two man project, one dev one designer, its amazing what they have created
they got a ton of contributors and a few paid freelancers every now and then, but its basically all rijk
which is why am happy my company is paying for a new feature now, sustainable open source development is important to me
potent fossil
Yeah it's a great project. Any issue I've reported got accepted and scheduled for next release
novel horizon
open source is always a nice thing
golden gust
flashbacks to openssl
golden gust
heartbleed was a fun one, but, it was defo a massive eye opener to the communities which rely on these libs and such
mental meadow
oh yeah I remember the short time after that. "Yeah we found a pretty massive security bug in a lib that literally everyone on the internet uses and oh yeah the issue has been there for half an eternity and pretty much everything needs to be patched asap"
mental meadow
it was a fun time
vernal moth
I have been working on this on friday and saturday when I got called in and today and yesterday
holy shit yes, I can repro the fix in my dev env
mental meadow
"hey we are using this windows ME machine in production somewhere could you make a patch for that"
vernal moth
lets go straight to prod with this
mental meadow
oh mini I wrote that email yesterday, can't wait for a reply ๐
vernal moth
tho whom? us?
mental meadow
yea
vernal moth
to info@?
waxen panther
๐ณ โ
mental meadow
brocc
waxen panther
vernal moth
in relation to the website apps that allow you to order smth?
then good, cause I hate those teams anyways ๐
mental meadow
yeah, also attached the latest court ruling that bonked the DB for that
vernal moth
last I checked our compliance/law dep knows and didn't care
but I think there was something recently, lemme search my inbox
mental meadow
Can't wait for the reply ๐
vernal moth
lmao found something
apparently "Ihre/seine Durchlaucht" is a valid Anrede in our mainframe, lmao
next frost
vernal moth
I am temped to write a prod query to see how uses that ๐ค
novel horizon
my WP update and backup is done ^^ should update maybe a lit more often
vernal moth
strange, the example from the document now has a different Anrede
novel horizon
I think I'm okay tho, most people don't even do backups ๐คทโโ๏ธ
vernal moth
it got changed 6 months ago, interesting
novel horizon
Funny thing is the reason why I made a server is because I can't play anywhere, a lot of servers are really shitty, bad settings, bad admin team :/
It happened to me multiple times (and friends when we were playing somewhere) - just playing and suddenly another day I login and admin was like "oops world got wiped lol i guess we got new world" just like that lol
"we don't have backup sry"
olive marlin
That's my biggest fear, this happening and backups not working.
potent fossil
When it becomes evident the staff are bad then I give them no more of my time. See: Michael's kickass server, which is kickass other than for the staff
novel horizon
Funny thing is also I often "help" them, they're on side like "f off" but also "is this good?" or so
potent fossil
lol
novel horizon
Oh I remember one time
I told my friend to get there as a helper, just for fun, he don't knows much about it, so I helped him, he streamed me TS on Discord and I heard everything and just told him answers
He got accepted and what made me kinda sad is later - the admin said "well you dont do anything so you need to go" and
for real
it was like 1 helper out of 3 who did something
kinda made me a bit sad or so
other helpers just logged in and didnt do anything
and he was like "you need help? yeah sure"
and such
That was the server that got suddenly wiped I think
potent fossil
Your first mistake was offering help (or giving it freely)
untold copper
choose your helpers wisely
novel horizon
I don't have helpers ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I have 1 moderator, which might be a bit enthusiastic sometimes, but it's okay
You should choose anyone carefully though
untold copper
yes
cosmic raft
hi simple
novel horizon
That's my biggest fear, this happening and backups not working.
Also I don't mind it if it's really just unfortunate thing to happen, but if people don't have any backup and they just say "well lol i guess its wipe" and so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
cosmic raft
do you like potatoes?
novel horizon
hi kashike do you like me?
cosmic raft
novel horizon
nice
potent fossil
wow! i want the screaming potato
novel horizon
let's cook it
cosmic raft
excuse you
potent fossil
and it was at this moment that simple decided it was time for @novel horizon to die
novel horizon
you said it's a potato ๐ค
Let me get my glasses
oh it's a dog alright then
I'll prepare the things
novel horizon
oh yeah, suck my soul
potent fossil
Ok kash we have a code red
mental meadow
potent fossil
Yes. Get Taylor. This is a job only She can do.
novel horizon
Why can't I even send a pic on my phone
quasi valley
that sounds like you're suggesting she'd torture him by singing 
novel horizon
Discord ๐
potent fossil
No, Taylor is our lead executioner.
quasi valley
novel horizon
jokes on you I can torture by singing
and I'm gonna win
Okay I updated my app and I can't still send it
Alright here
2,7 kg damn ^^
half pewter
gg
novel horizon
she's cute tho right? ๐
Ptero Discord
I guess they want to translate it, but how from english when they can't form a sentence almost :/
potent fossil
the magic of google translate
novel horizon
Yeah, magic
vernal moth
no need to know perfect english when translating to a different lang
novel horizon
vernal moth
cause context is key
novel horizon
This kinda looks great though
novel horizon
It's really better (at least in my language) than Google
potent fossil
deepl told me that "ako ay isang putang ina" means "I'm a step mother"
it really means "I'm a(n) bitch/asshole"
vernal moth
deepl is hit or miss, its better with full documents and long sentences in general
but google translator has been stepping up
and its way better for small terms
novel horizon
I tried few sentences and they made much more sense in here than on Google, it might not have enough data still though for different things
potent fossil
It also said that the tagalog was german, and then proceeded to still partly understand it in tagalog
novel horizon
Woah they added quite a few languages lol
vernal moth
deepl told me that "ako ay isang putang ina" means "I'm a step mother"
gtranslate does the same
novel horizon
I'm not saying you need to perfectly understand english to translate it, but still
vernal moth
which would hint at that being the literal translation
novel horizon
"traduce it" is not even close, i never even heard that word
vernal moth
google at least shows the different meaning https://i.imgur.com/3GHmLbU.png
novel horizon
of course im not that great at english either, i had deutsch in school.. which i forgot ๐ฆ
potent fossil
I don't speak French but code switching like that is really common in southeast asian languages
So idk
novel horizon
Google is great with the terms, choosing them etc
potent fossil
google at least shows the different meaning https://i.imgur.com/3GHmLbU.png
"asong babae" lmao
yes that is literally bitch, as in female dog
thanks google
novel horizon
Still can't translate some things for me on Google, but I use it sometimes
I use it to search for some terms in english or - sometimes even in my language
potent fossil
If I need it, I translate single words and then use my grammar knowledge to build a sentence, so I use it more like a cross reference dictionary
novel horizon
I forgot what it means in my language - I can describe it, but the one word in my language - just got away
Yeah
potent fossil
But more often I just use an actual dictionary
novel horizon
Are you tired or just bored
potent fossil
both
novel horizon
Get some sleep ๐
potent fossil
no
potent fossil
sorry cant hear you just started some netflix https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Spanish-Bluejay-96.png
woven otter
Maybe someone happens to know how to do this in excel either convert formula to values but preserving calculation steps or convert file references to values
potent fossil
๐ Classic netflix screenshot
didnt see it was full black lol https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Darkcyan-Iberianmole-a8.png
novel horizon
๐ yeah lol they do that ^^
ashen cliff
Thanks HDCP.
vernal moth
Hdcp is so usless tho
ashen cliff
As it should be.
It's to protect from normal people, not people that actually want to bypass it.
Since the standard allows downgrading.
vernal moth
When I build led backlights for my tv is literally just brought an HDMI splitter
And that happened to terminate hdcp so that my pi can read normal HDMI
potent fossil
I'm not sure my screenshot was caused by HDCP as much as it was caused by me not paying attention to the screen when I took the shot and linked it
waxen panther
there is a lot of space in star trek
twin lagoon
mental meadow
waxen panther
potent fossil
there is a lot of space in star trek <:pepela:798950800894066708>
Also a lot of spaceships and space stations!
warm anchor
it really means "I'm a(n) bitch/asshole"
Itโs ok simple. No matter who you are we still love you.
potent fossil
Thank you.
woven otter
sometimes
novel horizon
https://donationstore.net Does this look decent? ๐ค
Never heard about it too
Looks much better than that one before at least ๐
potent fossil
better website at least
novel horizon
I'll look into it later. I know both of these, idk which one is better though, you use craftingstore because of? you have some reason?
twin lagoon
use tebex
novel horizon
well damn
twin lagoon
they're an industry standard for a reason
potent fossil
I also don't run huge networks, so
novel horizon
alright then ๐
olive marlin
they're an industry standard for a reason
Because people say they are industry standard and to not use anything else.
runs
twin lagoon
tbh you're not wrong but they've proven themselves over the past few years and while not perfect, it's fine
the only reason why i'd use alternatives is if you've got issues with tebex or pricing
novel horizon
I think I have account on both
twin lagoon
but if pricing is an issue, the fuck are you doing
novel horizon
Maybe the donation store I sent is also fine
Well I don't do it firstly for money, but ๐คทโโ๏ธ
twin lagoon
tebex checkout is great aswell
novel horizon
I'll look into tebex maybe, a lot of people use it also, that I know of
potent fossil
Only reason I ran craftingstore was pricing for a small friends server, where the friends were funding it. Never on a server list or advertised. So, fair disclaimer. I don't recommend it for any reason beyond that 
olive marlin
For me tebex keeps having issues with PayPal.
twin lagoon
For me tebex keeps having issues with PayPal.
they've released tebex checkout so tebex functions as payment gateway
potent fossil
I just wasn't going to sub for something that was only ever meant to break even
twin lagoon
removes the need for paypal while you can still accept paypal on the store
olive marlin
I'm using tebex for a small server, with the free tier since I don't need anything more.
Hmm, I'll have to take a look into it.
twin lagoon
if you use checkout you unlock all enterprise features too iirc
potent fossil
(I also wanted to style my store for free, because I'm extra, and tebex (at least then) did not allow that)
olive marlin
They already messed up subscriptions through PayPal like 3 times.
twin lagoon
i'd stay the fuck away from donationstore though
it's self-hosted
(and it's python)
olive marlin
Yeah, I don't want that liability.
novel horizon
Hmm true
CraftingStore/Tebex it is ๐
I'll look into both again, Tebex is a lot more used in my area too
twin lagoon
craftingstore has some what proven themselves over the past few years considering they've been alive for some time
but like, minecraftmarket happened in the past
olive marlin
I don't care for people being late to the party, if they do it well.
twin lagoon
i just care about their reputation and security
featureset comes after
minecraftmarket was massive back in the days, probably bigger than craftingstore & then they got hacked iirc and just vanished, all data lost etc
novel horizon
Is Tebex paid or just takes some money from purchases?