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#general
potent fossil
you can tell it to expire in like 30 mins and the next time you try to get it, it will load it
specify a load function to do the web request in and it just works (tm)
it runs on its own threadpool, so, probably not in the context of bukkit
idk wat ur doin
they have a sync loading cache and an async loading cache and you can specify your own thread executors, so, if the velocity api you're using is specified as thread safe then yes it should be fine
unkempt drift
Who uses labeled for loops? That’s gotta be in the running for the most obscure java syntax feature right?
potent fossil
demon did previously i think
vernal moth
I used labels before
so break the right loop for nested ones
but yes, its almost always really ugly
waxen panther
not sure i've ever seen it in java lol
wide chasm
I only ever use them to break outer loops, yeah.
Although you can label any kind of code block, so if you really want you can kinda simulate gotos with them
wide chasm
Yes, everyone will yell for good reason, but if you're feeling evil...
worn ember
until like last week i didnt even know they existed
olive garden
oh god please help me
drek has acquired forbidden knowledge and therefore new ways to make stupid mistakes
@worn ember please do us a favor and read this book by Dijkstra: https://seriouscomputerist.atariverse.com/media/pdf/book/Structured Programming.pdf
it's very important
faint crystal
wait, i also want to make stupid mistakes, what forbidden knowledge are you talking about?
worn ember
labels
royal kernel
Does yatopia count as forbbiden knowledge
waxen panther
no it's just forbidden
royal kernel
Ok then, lets use atom spigot
limpid comet
labels 
faint crystal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ei-rbULWoA&t=1045s
Wait he's a genius
worn ember
take a piece of paper, put it between your fingers and pull it backwards fast
vernal moth
hes the creator of java, lol
worn ember
wtf he looks like 65 in that
vernal moth
he always looked like that
faint crystal
thats exactly how i'd imagine a java developer to look xD
yo that's kinda true
faint crystal
fuckin granpa language
vernal moth
this is the team that created java
worn ember
i'll just blame those for all my struggles in life
vernal moth
(edited higher res)
faint crystal
i was about to complain about how i can't see shit
worn ember
no high res for irc users
faint crystal
i'll hang this on my wall
and whenever I get mad at some "java was designed to be a simple language" bs i'll beat the fuck out of this picture
i'm really addicted to operator overloading btw
vernal moth
other than generics, what do you have in java?
operator overloading is what makes a language complicated and hard to follow
worn ember
why would you ever overload an operator
faint crystal
no it's how you use it. There is nothing wrong with overloading the = sign on a Vector2 class but c++ std was written buy crazy people who thought that std::cout << "" << std::endl; makes sense
vernal moth
new Vector(1,2,3) + new Vector(2,3,4)
but I wouldn't never allow that in my codebases
faint crystal
you mean the new Vector(1,2,3) + new Vector(2,3,4)?
vernal moth
operator overloading in general
faint crystal
oh
vernal moth
if that ever becomes a java feature, it would be banned from code bases I control
waxen panther
upvote
vernal moth
but I highly doubt that the openjdk stewards would ever allow such a "feature"
unkempt drift
Operator overloading is great
waxen panther
gross
faint crystal
upvote
twin lagoon
https://github.com/darrenburns/ward this looks very fancy @olive marlin 
waxen panther
keep it in kotlin ty
royal kernel
Why is your name so long, I cant even read it lol
potent fossil
cuz hes epic
royal kernel
Hes been demoted from politics manager
potent fossil
no
waxen panther
i have ascended
royal kernel
your name has (ping) does that mean pinging you is fair game?
waxen panther
of course
royal kernel
@waxen panther cool
faint crystal
Can i get some tips or a motivating story on how to start contributing to open source. I mean making pr's and stuff. Whenever I look at some good-first-issue issues, I just get confused by everything and go cry in the corner of my room
potent fossil
ask questions if you're confused, it is (should be anyway) welcomed. that's really all i got
faint crystal
thanks i'll write that down
potent fossil
😎
wide chasm
but I highly doubt that the openjdk stewards would ever allow such a "feature"
I mean, with all the new stuff Java has been adding, I wouldn't be so sure tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if some JEP by Brian Goetz came along one day adding operator overloading because "people complain Java is too verbose".
meager tusk
what's wrong with operator overloading
waxen panther
u
faint crystal
complexity
meager tusk
except for ambiguity i think it would be just fine
wide chasm
It gets really complicated really quickly
meager tusk
how come
i agree that people overusing it might become a problem but
other than that operator overloading is completely fine
vernal moth
I mean, with all the new stuff Java has been adding, I wouldn't be so sure tbh. ...
Brian is particual is really careful
faint crystal
i agree that people overusing it might become a problem but
yeah and people will overuse it
meager tusk
yeah but that could be said for every language with operator overloading lol
meager tusk
except for ambiguity i think it would be just fine
yeah so what i said here
wide chasm
I depends on the language, but you could for example add on some class ++, += and + and make them do completely different things. x = x + y and x += y can do different things, you can only define one or the other, you can make them not be pure, etc. etc.
faint crystal
yeah but that could be said for every language with operator overloading lol
and it is a problem in every language with operator overloading
olive marlin
https://github.com/darrenburns/ward this looks very fancy <@!209234044657991680>...
Ooo, it really looks nice. Not sure if I like the annotation naming though, but perhaps can get used to it?
I'm writing a tool and testing it in pytest, but might rewrite it just for fun.
wide chasm
Brian is particual is really careful
I feel like lately Brian will do anything to remove verbosity from Java tbh. Like, we're getting pattern matching.
meager tusk
and it is a problem in every language with operator overloading
static can be overused as well
does that mean the static keyword should be removed
wide chasm
Some would argue that
vernal moth
For pattern matching it's pretty clear what's happening in your code tho
wide chasm
Sure, but it's a feature that I personally don't think was necessary for Java.
meager tusk
Some would argue that
yeah but Java deciding that static is fine creates a precedent that they're not necessarily worried about overuse if it makes things simpler
faint crystal
static can be overused as well
well it does confuse newbies and they do overuse it
vernal moth
Sure, but it's a feature that I personally don't think was necessary for Java.
That's different to adding features that hurt readability
wide chasm
I find readability one of the lesser problems with operator overloading, though.
vernal moth
Readability was the wrong term, understandability I guess
It's hard to judge exactly what's happening
Cause the verbosity of a method actually helps you understand the code here
meager tusk
i think there should be steps taken to make it more readable syntactically speaking
to differentiate overloaded operators from non-overloaded ones
wide chasm
True, although I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to operator overloading if there were some heavy restrictions on it to ensure it's understandable.
faint crystal
what's the point in overloading them then
meager tusk
To make it easier to write lol
vernal moth
True, although I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to operator overloading if ther...
Yeah they shouldn't be able to mutate state for example
meager tusk
yeah
wide chasm
Absolutely
Point was more that Java seems to be moving away from the relatively simple language it once was and adding more language features.
faint crystal
ok look all i want is to be able to use == instead of .equals() in my if statement
i don't even care about adding or substracting
vernal moth
Absolutely
Point was more that Java seems to be moving away from the relatively...
You could critisize that for increased barrier of entry, but I don't think that's fair
meager tusk
that has the same problem as operator overloading though..
wide chasm
== and equals make sense tbh
meager tusk
arguably overriding == might be even more problematic
merry talon
wide chasm
You could critisize that for increased barrier of entry, but I don't think that'...
Well, that, but it also just complicates the language - if people use these new language features, you as a reader also need to know and understand them to properly read the code.
merry talon
meager tusk
Well, that, but it also just complicates the language - if people use these new ...
This.. isn't a problem
If people don't understand the language they can just google things they don't understand lol
echo sky
well, hello there.
merry talon
If people need to google how a language works every 5 minutes they're probably going to use a different language
meager tusk
If people need to google how a language works every 5 minutes they're probably g...
Incorrect, see Rust
vernal moth
20 hours, wtf, that's more than you should pay for rent, 20 * 12 * 4 = 1k or smth
Ah yes thanks discord
faint crystal
noo i even google for loops every 5 minutes
wide chasm
"If my overloaded operator mutates state then you can just go look at the implementation and see that that is the case"
Complicated languages are more complicated to read and write.
Of course if the added functionality really enhances the programming language, that's a trade off that should be made.
merry talon
20 hours, wtf, that's more than you should pay for rent, 20 * 12 * 4 = 1k or smt...
well technically a 1 bed 1 bath apartment goes for 1300 around here :(
vernal moth
wut
meager tusk
"If my overloaded operator mutates state then you can just go look at the implem...
If you're reading code and you see two objects being added with a + you should in general know that you're dealing with operator overloading
If you don't know that as a new language user and try it yourself, you'll figure out that you can't just add two objects without overloading operators and you'll learn about the feature
faint crystal
restrict operator overloading to only == + - * /
faint crystal
If you don't know that as a new language user and try it yourself, you'll figure...
but you will be very confused why it doesn't work for you
meager tusk
but you will be very confused why it doesn't work for you
You'll get a compiler error.
You'll google it and figure it out
meager tusk
What
faint crystal
will you?
wide chasm
Yes and I think a heavily restricted form of operator overloading isn't necessarily bad. However, I don't think Java has a dire need for them. Writing object1.add(object2) versus object1 + object2 isn't really that much different, so I see not much of a reason to add the syntax.
quasi valley
it's sexier
meager tusk
You add two objects and if there isn't operator overloading you'll get a compiler error that you can't do that
faint crystal
- looks nicer
meager tusk
it looks nicer
merry talon
If you don't know that as a new language user and try it yourself, you'll figure...
you can in js
meager tusk
java != js tho
quasi valley
js 
faint crystal
You add two objects and if there isn't operator overloading you'll get a compile...
ok but i was confused when using == didn't work
meager tusk
we have strict typing
merry talon
js is just java but more lightweight
meager tusk
ok but i was confused when using == didn't work
arguably a bad decision on java's part
wide chasm
It looks a bit better, but I wouldn't add the language complexity to Java just to make it look slightly better
meager tusk
to be honest
faint crystal
js is just java but more lightweight
you tryna start a fight?
merry talon
js is java for the web
meager tusk
it makes sense but it's a bit ambiguous
faint crystal
js is java for the web
is it tho?
merry talon
prove me wrong
waxen panther
weblets exist
merry talon
it's in the name
meager tusk
it isn't used in 3 billion devices
waxen panther
meager tusk
faint crystal
it isn't used in 3 billion devices
thats funny
merry talon
something that's used in that many devices shouldn't be trusted
one of them is bound to break
merry talon
yes. its a rock with lightning in it
quasi valley
that’s magic
spring mango
it's bad for the environment
spring mango
ik
faint crystal
so is everything
spring mango
ofc i am proud when my country produces 3 times the waste compared to the world avg
mellow mulch
hi
faint crystal
hello
spring mango
amigo
faint crystal
ofc i am proud when my country produces 3 times the waste compared to the world ...
where do you live?
mellow mulch
america, duh
faint crystal
omg canada
spring mango
no
spring mango
america, duh
yes murica
faint crystal
well top five are 1.Canada, 2. Bulgaria 3. United States 4. Estonia and 5. Finland
faint crystal
:)
unkempt drift
cant wait till USA buys greenland
merry talon
it's all green, who wants that
Iceland
mellow mulch
iceland has 300k+ people living there
spring mango
iceland is green, greenland is ice, the irony
mellow mulch
nah you've got it mixed up
mellow mulch
i was joking dark
worn ember
no
spiral robin
Huh
mellow mulch
hi aber
limpid comet
@spiral robin
spiral robin
Hi @limpid comet @mossy vessel @mellow mulch
spring mango
Wake up node, please
warm anchor
What nod is that
spring mango
my school's servers
olive marlin
@twin lagoon Tried using ward.
- I kinda like
@testannotations - The fixture binding syntax is useful, but annoying. Wish it would be optional.
- Doesn't have any built in fixtures from the looks of it - so if you want to have temporary test paths that you can inspect if test fails, but also automatically delete next time etc, you need to write it yourself (pytest has it built in).
- Ward seems to crap itself when parsing the test files sometimes, if there's an error in fixture. Sometimes shows nice failure, sometimes full stacktrace.
- Ward doesn't have a plugin system.
- Ward failures seems more readable than Pytest, but I haven't checked how they look in Jenkins and without coloring etc.
frank otter
does anyone have ,uch experience with modded servers
as in mine does not work
my friend can get in but i cannot
and no clue why
if i look through server logs it just says onetesseract lost connection: Timed out
haughty bear
sometimes can be due to too high of a view distance or too much data that is trying to be sent
maybe lower the view distance in server.properties, works for me most of the time
woven otter
sad sad sad
left swift
Are u looking in mirror again duck
quasi valley
thank you prime video, very cool! https://i.imgur.com/UQDji9M.png
unkempt drift
SD
quasi valley
lower definition and you get it for onyl a few days, but the same price 
olive garden
I would go with buying the SD version and renting the HD version
mossy vessel
No 4k version?
unkempt drift
also euros
olive garden
default
true canyon
MOM GET THE CAMERA
vernal moth
is that fake league?
minor badge
very proud of you mbax
worn ember
MOM GET THE CAMERA
axe really good this patch
quasi valley
didnt know you lived in america, ded
worn ember
huh? am i wrong?
quasi valley
but yeah apparently some write it in front some after
swift root
sick burns all around
worn ember
pretty sure its like that
quasi valley
not everywhere
swift root
it's like... either, depending
worn ember
shut up
worn ember
standard dutch
worn ember
EU and being consistent is not a thing
true canyon
axe really good this patch
You mean I'm not just that good?
Meanwhile, just randomed into a new turbo and got arc warden so this is going poorly
worn ember
you play unranked so idk xD
turbo sucks tbh
its good to learn some skills but it's really bad for learning dota in general
its also extremely unbalanced
if i wanted to test out enigma i'd be able to off 3 bh's and the game would be over already lol
true canyon
Not looking to learn! 😛
vernal moth
mineskin does now simp for paper https://github.com/MineSkin/mineskin.org/pull/21
way to procrastinate working on hangar, lmao
merry talon
I thought inventive was a spigot simp
worn ember
u
wide nimbus
what does a server be better than another
limpid comet
what does a server be better than another
waxen panther
?
true canyon
I prefer chess
ashen cliff
Don't need checkers. People just create accounts for me at this point.
Took them a whole 1 minute to get the unconfirmed account blocked.
waxen panther
not for me
wraith trail
its an experiment that I don't think has been released yet
cunning raft
ah was that what that one did
wraith trail
makes it impossible to type some things, or did, unless they fixed it
ashen cliff
I just disabled that since otherwise I can't spam /shrug.
spiral robin
ok
olive garden
banned oskar is so much better than not banned oskar
vernal moth
laughs in kernel level anti cheat
vestal jasper
let's be real most triple a games, riot products, and blizzard products nowadays are shit
cunning raft
i mean riot and blizzard come out with a game every blue moon
vestal jasper
riot prioritizes posting golfing pictures on twitter over performing their job and doing the weekly meetings they have scheduled months in advance
so...
vernal moth
cries in warcraft 3 reforged
would have been better if they just didn't release that
vestal jasper
no joke btw, their third party API team have bi weekly meetings with API consumers to talk about and resolve issues
and instead of doing that, they ghosted everyone and started posting pictures of them golfing on twitter.
didn't even say it's cancelled.
they just didn't show up lmao.
vernal moth
can't just take one of the best games of the world and drag it thru the mud like that
vestal jasper
also the 3rd meeting in a row that was cancelled
cunning raft
L 
L
vestal jasper
afaik it's every other thursday and they still haven't said anything about it. not a single word.
they have 7? people in the team, and not a single word from any of em
vernal moth
for valorant? or riot api in particular?
vernal moth
cause I heard ppl had good experience for league stuff in the past
maybe that changed
vestal jasper
yeah it's usually ok, that team specifically is one of their better ones
but lately riot overall just... kinda suck
moreso than usual
green = minimod, not rioter
vernal moth
pulling a trump ^^
vestal jasper
they could at least stop by and say "too busy"
shrug
I stopped partaking in that community in 2018, I'm just there for friends and to lurk. their actions have little consequence to me but it's still sad to see
vernal moth
what did you do api wise?
vestal jasper
I was a lib dev and made a few personal discord bots
I was new to programming so I'd rather not dig those projects back up
woven otter
please do
vestal jasper
as of late 2020 or smth yes
cunning raft
they own hypixel studios
vestal jasper
yeah that
cunning raft
pretty sure that didn't include the server
vestal jasper
also owned by tencent
ashen cliff
also owned by tencent
cunning raft
tic tac toe > football
olive garden
cunning raft
same energy of comparisons
vestal jasper
I'm more of a fan of old maid than tic tac toe but you do you
vernal moth
I agree to that comparison
woven otter
league 
vernal moth
I mean, league requires mechanical skill too
It's just different
But league requires more strategy, what's what I enjoy about it
Since traditionally I come from civ, the settlers, stronghold, Anno, etc
worn ember
ah yes civ, that game that takes 3 minutes to end turn 210
vernal moth
Good to get a coffee!
void void
Is anyone here plays quake or diabotical btw
I like dynamic and fast skill-dependent games where you have a fully control of your character. Needless to say that you can do strategies in this games too, it just have more factors
twin lagoon
warm anchor
unkempt drift
Damn, blue whales are huge. 200 tons and 30 meters long?
warm anchor
Sea animal is really big. No need to worry too much about supporting its own weight compare to land animal
void void
anyone here familiar with Elastic and can help me import a JSON file?
golden gust
I mean, quick google suggested to just post it with curl?
void void
I mean, quick google suggested to just post it with curl?
noit work
lean kiln
what?
shell vine
warm anchor
static badge
can you start telling furrimyst that she's a fucking tyrant
vestal jasper
ngl I was mostly just fucking with you with the mute shit but
waxen panther
i miss leaf 😔
vestal jasper
I didn't expect escalation
static badge
furrimyst will pay dearly
static badge
even germany will look bad and say wow we had less reparations to pay than that
back*
waxen panther
cat is very confused
static badge
he has no clue
spiral robin
waxen panther
complain about it in syscraft then smh
potent fossil
no
warm anchor
If done right it’s good community engagement I think
true canyon
One per week "hey look at this cool thing"? I think it's okay.
warm anchor
Could set a limit that’s for mid to small server if you don’t really feel the big operation server should be part of it
wraith trail
yeah it's no #advertising channel
potent fossil
||holy god i wasn't being actually serious. i don't actually care||
wraith trail
and if I skimmed it correctly its only one per week and gets selected, so not everyone can just spam their shitty anarchy servers
warm anchor
This simple smh my head
My mistake to take simple seriously 
@swift root there Larry my suggestion 
swift root
😮
warm anchor
yeah it's no #advertising channel
It’s really hard to run advertisement channel
wraith trail
does your server have a successful form of one? All that i've seen just devolve into people posting their shitty youtube videos or copy/paste servers
warm anchor
There will always be half assed and low effort advertisement post and if you try to moderate it, the asshole will come out and call you biased
Yeah
waxen panther
hello
true canyon
hai ❤️
swift root
internet of elephants?
potent fossil
mbax 
swift root
what are you doing here
warm anchor
does your server have a successful form of one? All that i've seen just devolve ...
I am debating of making one. On next round of spring cleaning will see how it goes
Got some small streamers but sometimes I honestly just think they suck
And I can’t really just be honest
novel horizon
Someone please make generator for custom mc world generation ty
warm anchor
You feel me?? Lol
waxen panther
it has the vtuber verification thing which is nice
kinda limits it a bit cuz theres an entry barrier to that
so theres not much spam there
@cunning raft hi there
cunning raft
@waxen panther
wraith trail
you can't really just say "your (hard?) work sucks and looks like you made it in 5 mins" which makes it hard to not turn into spam
cunning raft
@waxen panther
waxen panther
sulu, moderator, please ban j roy
waxen panther
I'll take that too
warm anchor
Is it just me or broccos ping is LITERALLY BIGGER?
novel horizon
It's the same
waxen panther
hmmm
warm anchor
No it’s bigger
waxen panther
probably the emojis lol
potent fossil
the emojis cause extra padding
vestal jasper
I wasn't angry I was only pretending to be angry
warm anchor
x
novel horizon
the emoji might mess it up but it's so small change whatever
vestal jasper
:^)
waxen panther
potent fossil
@vestal jasper hi cutey
novel horizon
☻
warm anchor
@waxen panther
vestal jasper
right I forgot I can harass you and you respond positively to it
waxen panther
x
warm anchor
It’s your emoji yesh I see it now
peak ginkgo
warm anchor
Only on iOS I think
waxen panther
novel horizon
lol
waxen panther
whats the problem
vestal jasper
<@!184165847940464641> <:pepelove:757001234900189344> hi cutey
sup
spiral robin
hi
warm anchor
its the french flag sideways
No the color is all wrong /s
waxen panther
wtf!!_!)!)!))!
warm anchor
golden gust
sup bbygril
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
worn ember
oh look google knows :p
lean kiln
you can get the english one from the server jar
wraith trail
in my downloads folder
upbeat falconBOT
in my downloads folder
Requested by sulu#5890
lean kiln
there u go
wraith trail
idk where I got it from though
waxen panther
Sure you don’t, Jeb.
unreal quarry
i've always just gone to the client jar in %appdata%/.minecraft/versions/1.16.5/ and extract the assets from that jar. it's got everything
ancient bolt
don't use masterlock
void void
i have a 160gb json file, what's the best way to split this into multiple smaller files
novel horizon
Translating Terra now and found this ^^
vestal jasper
looks like the paperlib message just translated and modified
novel horizon
Alright nevermind the whole thing is gone, lol, I've created a pull request and can't find it suddenly, well 😄
warm anchor
Translating Terra now and found this ^^
Many plugin actually does those suggestions
novel horizon
And it's got a good reason to do it
golden gust
oh god, LPL did a good video on masterlock that I saw
So, basically, their LOTO padlocks, plastic body, yet it had one of the most secure cores that they've got
LOTO is somewhat caveated because the fact you're the only key holder should never be a massive implication and a simple plastic tag should do the job, but, ofc, some people are moronic douches, but, still
a plastic LOTO padlock was one of their most secure padlocks
upper flicker
Most secure core in their LOTO lock…
Luckily I guess most people breaking locks aren’t picking them
But still… why
vestal jasper
I'd rather an easy to pick lock (that can't be jiggled) that's impossible to break over a plastic lock with a hard to pick core
as far as I can tell you're way more likely to encounter someone that'll break your lock than try to pick it
but lol nice going master
golden gust
Oh god, i've seen those locks where they basically have a pin which is serated or something and will basically bind in the lock if you pick it improperly, meaning that you've gotta be aware of that pin and how to deal with it, which is why lock enthusiasts are fucking crazy with the number of locks they'll remember stuff about
But, shit like that is comical, on the plus side your average picking moron is gonna be unable to pick it
downfall is is that if they fail to pick it in a certain way, you can no longer use the key, so, now you gotta cut it
woo
potent fossil
alright about to have quizlet carry me through 5 exams
have literally not attended this class more than 3 times
golden gust
oh god, my uni used to basically call you in if you didn't attend lectures for 6 weeks or something
golden gust
during like 3rd year, I wasn't all too invested going in, most interesting lesson from a "I really should attend this" was done by somebody from like africa or something so practically nobody could understand the man
others where just basically dull and the effort to wake up stupidly early to attend something I'd be more productive with at home, was, meh
potent fossil
i mean that's the difference tho this was all online
i'd still sleep thru it though
golden gust
I did attend his, but, once his ended, it was a fucking pita as basically I had to email some lecturer to ensure that he was gonna be in and ask for him to let me sign in so I wasn't flagged lol
Yea, many of our things where like, early morning, and just, I stayed up all night working on stuff and intended to go in but eventually it was just a level of fuck it
Like, I remember the beginning of the year, I was like, this is gonna be my last year, am gonna ensure I attend every lecture and do good
and then just the lectures where basically sitting in a room listening to droning which just didn't click, or yet another year of "intro to OOP", and so that sorta failed, and then my health took a direct collision with a proverbial bus, and then, eer... yea...
potent fossil
floral mesa
Anyone rocking XFCE as their linux desktop of choice?
potent fossil
lul
cunning raft
uhh yeah its possible
idk if there is a plugin doing it tho
you probably can't even do that at a plugin level
vestal jasper
this is the first time i've even seen someone propose the idea
golden gust
it's doable at plugin level with nms
golden gust
Just, I mean, server processes the queue every 50ms and you'd need to figure a reliable way to keep stuff in sync, you might also need to modify the server to deal with the other stuff you break in doing that
magic river
That would be modifying the netty pipelines to inject pauses, basically
void void
Where can I find the NEWEST java?
I went to the official java website for the newest edition for Java, but when I
ran the bucket it kept saying I was using an outdated version, and said
the bucket won't work unless I update it
wraith trail
.java11 - read this
limber knotBOT
Follow the guides for how to update to Java 11 here: https://gist.github.com/Proximyst/67615353e2575a71faaff3f7ae9cc2b4
wraith trail
And don't get it from oracle
unkempt drift
(Need to update that 🙂)
magic river
Should probably get 16 at this point, unless you want to upgrade again in like a month
unkempt drift
Where’s the guide on how to adapt the java11 guide for java 16
void void
Is it this?
wraith trail
Yes
unkempt drift
Make sure you adjust your JAVA_HOME accordingly, or script to use java 16
void void
I choose 16 (lateest) is that the one?
wraith trail
Yes
wraith trail
Also the installer will set your path iirc ^^ java_home does not matter in this context
Well unless your path has $java_home/bin in it
void void
I can't find it where are list of plugins I can use?
void void
Can I like use any plugin in the internet with the versioin working with 1.16.5
wraith trail
Most of them
unkempt drift
there are some plugins that will break with java 16, yeah, most
just booted up windows for the first time in forever and my WSL is broken... 😦
void void
OKay
Can I like re-adress it so that for example people can join from an ip adress like example.com using paper?
void void
That'd not be a paper specific thing
Though it can?
Well then I guess I just need to port forward
I'll do that tomorrow
unique snow
All you need is a DNS entry for that domain pointing to the IP, and a service record if it is not on the default port.
void void
How can I set the server to be like 24/7 up?
Like is it possible for the server to be ran from my wifi router?
Hih
spiral robin
Get a cheap server host
vestal jasper
noone's going to play on a server that runs at 2TPS
spiral robin
Save yourself the trouble
warm anchor
you don't do that
I run server from my Samsung smart fridge || it’s a joke in case it isn’t clear ||
left swift
Wow eternity why u do that
potent fossil
nomana hot
left swift
No u
potent fossil
nah
left swift
Say who
potent fossil
me
left swift
Dont lie
potent fossil
im not
left swift
Ya u are
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@uneven cradle let's not advertise please
mighty storm
axolotl
uneven cradle
<@698394704122871898> let's not advertise please
I asked for help. Thank you 😕
plucky canopy
Players have recently been randomly disconnected from my server while I'm away. Server runs ab 20% memory util, and 2% cpu utility. Server is connected via ethernet and has a stable uplink of ab 130mbps. DHCP is not enabled.
Can anyone help me figure this out?
Timings report is below, server logs show zero errors or prompts
plucky canopy
It's just a few players
The issue recently started
Only thing I changed since then is added coreprotect and pregenerated the world
Players say no error, just random disconnect
swift root
What machine is the server running on? If it's a home-based computer, is it windows, or is it an actual server box
plucky canopy
Windows 10 Home
swift root
is the PC going to sleep
plucky canopy
Nah, I have it set to not do that
vestal jasper
it's just a few players, I imagine it going to sleep would affect all tbh
swift root
because if it goes to sleep, players get bonked
vestal jasper
are they DCd at the same time?
plucky canopy
Lemme check the logs n see
swift root
Are your few players also all in the same geographical region?
plucky canopy
Yeah they all are
And they weren't on at the same time today so idk if they'd all get DCd, but the two that were on dis get randomly DCd
swift root
how close? like same house, neighbourhood, ISP, city, country?
swift root
and they did get booted all at once? when there were 2 on?
could they immediately rejoin?
plucky canopy
There weren't more than one on at the same time so I'm not sure ab that
The other got on after the first left
According to logs
Looks like they were able to come back tho
Multiple times
swift root
players not in that city ever have any issues?
vestal jasper
what was the issue number uhhhh
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895
vestal jasper
.895
vestal jasper
ty
minor badge
just "The Issue™" 
vestal jasper
@plucky canopy go through that ^^
plucky canopy
also
would this have anything to do with it
the server itself is on the main SSD
idk if this applies
novel horizon
No
If it's not that issue it may be bad internet connection, like if it's not stable or something
That "turn off" though is just for the drive if it's not used at all
plucky canopy
gotcha
ill check up on the article
also getting uptimerobot, prob a good idea
at least to see if its a network thing
novel horizon
Sure, why not ^^ need to find which thing does it
plucky canopy
I dont think its the netty issue, because my logs dont show any errors
and players didnt get an error either
novel horizon
They got disconnected, so it seems like a network issue to me, not sure
plucky canopy
anddd nevermind, already had uptime running from a while back
just some minor ping up to 20ms around when the players joined
not bad
novel horizon
I don't know how frequent that is, if your connection just sometimes between few hours really gets bad for a few seconds, tools like that won't notice that probably - not sure if it's it, just saying I'd say it's another thing to consider ^^
plucky canopy
its polling every 5mins, but i can make it shorter
novel horizon
You might check it with other things, could you like run small another server (clean paper for example) and just be connected there? For few hours or so?
plucky canopy
wait nvm, pro plan only xd
plucky canopy
You might check it with other things, could you like run small another server (c...
yeah ill try that
novel horizon
That might let you know if it's a connection or server somehow does something
And see
PebbleHost "
Intel i9-9900K / Xeon E-2288G @ 5Ghz" Sure that xeon at 5GHz for sure 🙂 all the time, definitely
Saying it like that lol
plucky canopy
lmAo ikr
I built a PC and until I get a gpu its a minecraft server lmao
i7-10700k
16Gb Ram
novel horizon
Damn that's expensive lol, but hey, everything has a price
plucky canopy
SHEEEESH 🥶
plucky canopy
Damn that's expensive lol, but hey, everything has a price
only $800ish for the system
not too bad imo
then again, thats 80 and no gpu xd
novel horizon
I'm talking about renting servers
PB for giving you only MC server is quite expensive I'd say
Damn, even the dedicated servers, Ryzen 3600, 64GB RAM, 480GB SSD, 20TB Bandwidth even lol and you're paying $110 monthly
It has advanced linux support tho woah
and ETA 10 Day setup time damn
burnt heart
me. 5800x for mc server 🤡
twin lagoon
quasi valley
half pewter
imagine using AMD A10 for a server
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@minor otter Gratulerar med dagen ;)
minor otter
Gratulerer med dagen du også!! 🥳
untold copper
dreams are weird
cedar spade
advanced linux support
plucky canopy
vestal jasper
@potent fossil 
potent fossil
@vestal jasper 
waxen schooner
is that meant to be an indentation joke
waxen panther
waxen panther
unreal quarry
i dont get it either :3
google reverse image shows its a tiktok meme. no wonder i dont get it
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNvlyycWzQ | idk if am allowed to post this but YOLO
vestal jasper
there are a few videos of hers I wish didn't exist
wide chasm
I can think of two
vestal jasper
same
wide chasm
Also 1.16 million subs, I'm clearly doing something wrong in my life
golden gust
She did the belle delphine thing too
vestal jasper
make it 3
unreal quarry
the belle delphine thing? selling bathwater? or the other thing?
golden gust
She did the vocals and stuff in belles "i'm back" thing
mental meadow
and now she's goneeeee, she's goneeeee, we're missing her cause she's goooooneee
golden gust
she not doe
mental meadow
you're gone
twin lagoon
mental meadow
michael uwu
chrome quest
Anyone here a master of xcode?
Any of you know how to connect the wxwidgets that I installed through homebrew to my xcode project?
untold meadow
@waxen schooner https://youtu.be/ap3hwt-BcyM
waxen schooner
oh no
mental meadow
Is anyone in here somewhat knowledgeable regarding GIFs in PhotoShop? I'm trying to edit an existing GIF, but when I open it in Photoshop it recognizes all the frames and layers correctly, but not the changes in between them (aka instead of 150 different layers I now have 150 identical layers in PS)
unreal quarry
idk about PS, but in Gimp all layers are shown, so you only see the top one. so you have to hide them all except the one you're actively working on.
ashen cliff
Daily dose of AuthMe: https://posili.me/i/2021-05-17_12-44-29.png
golden gust
Sorry for ban 😦
ashen cliff
No problem.
untold copper
lol
twin lagoon
@ashen cliff Bro!
waxen panther
@ashen cliff Bro!
mental meadow
bad brocc
golden gust
BROS
tropic flame
tell the person to ping the KGB, see if they have the balls to do it
i bet they don't
fair blade
is there anything better than yml for configs? (and something that can have comments, so not json)
novel horizon
Anything is better than yml almost lol
golden gust
hocon, but, community is basically ingrained with yaml, so
novel horizon
Depends on what you're doing
Are you asking just for discussion or do you need smth else
fair blade
and json doesn't have comments
novel horizon
why does it annoy you it's easy to use and okay
fair blade
yes idk I can't really explain xd so for the spigot/paper community, for public plugins, there's nothing better than yml for configs, right?
novel horizon
yml is most used for configs and is just fine
I'd say not good for saving info, but for configs whatever
golden gust
Theres hocon, but, as said, the community is pretty much only familiar with yaml and majority of server owners struggle with that already
soooo...
fair blade
yes for saving data I use json or just databases, not yml
mossy vessel
There are better options, but the ordinary server owner is often questioned with yaml, too 
novel horizon
People have problems even with paper config
golden gust
people have problems
fair blade
yes that's the point xd some people struggle with yml already
novel horizon
but
yml is most used so doesn't mean you should use something completely different
golden gust
fair blade
but I guess the most server owners basically know how to use yml
but instead a lot of server owners won't understand json very good
well then I'll continue to use yml.
golden gust
toml is just bastardized ini, prove me wrong
fair blade
well I need a file type that's better than yml but also simple enough for the casual minecraft server owner to understand
golden gust
Issue is that majority of server owners don't care to understand
fair blade
yep
and GUIs.. well, it'd be a lot of work to implement it because my yml config has about 400 lines
golden gust
you could have a 10 minute guide video guide going over yaml and the basics of indentation, etc, and it would likely result in as many questions as it answrs
fair blade
yes, I always add a little "disclaimer" that I won't support people who messed up the config because they don't care for basic yml
it's like, you watch a 3 min youtube video and you understand the basics of yml
wide chasm
I'd generally recommend to just keep your config as easy as possible and make it hard to mess up. That way people will find it easier to edit the config to their liking and you don't get as many complaints from people because their config is messed up.
fair blade
yes, I try that as good as possible, but when some people are not willing to read the comments and ask me instead what a certain part does... what should I do more?
yes
a few days ago somebody complained that his plugin isn't working... he modified something in the data json file, which was named data-DO-NOT-MODIFY.json.. like, why?
waxen panther
bad brocc<:meowangery:498258751581716497>
what did I do :(
wide chasm
Depends on what you currently have, I think you shouldn't expect everyone to understand it, but you can try to lower the amount of complaints. Make sure the config name itself is clear and if you provide a default value, make sure it's an understandable default, not some kind of edge case. Make sure the comments are easy to understand and void of errors. If possible provide (external) documentation on the settings in different languages so non-native speakers can also understand it. Make your config recover from user errors in all cases, so users are never shown a stack trace when enabling - the moment users see a stack trace, they just dump it over to you. You can go on and on, but you can do a lot to minimise the amount of complaints.
wide chasm
My stance generally is that they could've also said nothing and the (potential) bug would go unnoticed for longer. After a while you have enough reviews that single ones don't really matter anymore. For example, when someone complained in a review that I dropped 1.8 support, my average rating only changed by 0.02.
fickle kelp
hELP essentials chat isn’t working, i set everything up but it isn’t showing in game
fair blade
My stance generally is that they could've also said nothing and the (potential) ...
yes, there are always people who complain when dropping support for older versions... but, if they use old version like 1.8, they just have to watch out for other plugins who support those versions, or use older versions of the plugin that dropped the support for their version
cyan marsh
Did you know: wifi was first introduced for consumer use in 1997
waxen panther
wow!
left swift
Wow! Very cool oskar!
ashen storm
and then: what is Wifi its 1996
ashen cliff
Did you know Bluetooth exists to replace RS 232 Serial in medical applications?
golden gust
Does it have the bandwidth for that?
vernal moth
bluetooth was always written for wireless headsets
golden gust
does something which enables his microphone and his headphones sound like he picked up the phone while somebody was on the internet
vernal moth
back when ericson existed
golden gust
Back in my day
left swift
Back in cats day to send a message you wrote it on a piece of paper and tied it to a bird
ashen storm
i tied it to a rock ;D
waxen panther
e
golden gust
I upgraded to a brick messenger service and my dating like fell off a cliff
left swift
Brick through window to show affection trick
golden gust
ashen storm
That was me
Me playing 1.16.5 for the first time: What´s that?
the Game: Netherite the new better Diamond
left swift
Ha ha relatable
ashen storm
#games message how did he make that?
worn ember
resource packs probably
ashen storm
ok?
worn ember
tf u questionmarking me for i gave you an answer 
left swift
Ded got rolled making him tonight's biggest loser
worn ember
its 4pm but ok
left swift
Its 9am for me that doesn't change ur tonight's biggest loser
worn ember
ok, i hope you choke on your coco
left swift
faint crystal
tf yall saying it's literally 3:53 pm smh
worn ember
yes which is almost 4pm...
vestal jasper
7 am
worn ember
Wrong
vestal jasper
ur a dragon what do u know about time
left swift
Down
vestal jasper
yeah ok mr akatosh
worn ember
It's not a godcomplex if you literally are a god 😉
left swift
Ded is the leader of the free world
olive marlin
Don't you love it when your coworker at 3pm sends a message: "I slept through alarms, lol"?
worn ember
tbh that happens to me sometimes
left swift
Ha ha relatable
vestal jasper
ngl of all my anxieties, sleeping through alarms or not having them go off is my #1 worry in general
faint crystal
Don't you love it when your coworker at 3pm sends a message: "I slept through al...
you need them or you just don't want them to text you?
worn ember
but usually if i know i have to get up at 7 or so i'd usually wake up around that time even without an alarm
olive marlin
They usually started work at 10am and was worried they won't show up today.
faint crystal
true
worn ember
faint crystal
the pizza who?
olive marlin
ngl of all my anxieties, sleeping through alarms or not having them go off is my...
Yeah. I thankfully rarely NEED to wake up when my alarm calls. But I used to over sleep and find ways to disable alarms in my sleep, even when I had those that shoot up and split into multiple pieces and you need to connect them to turn it off.
Found out I can somehow turn them off in my sleep
left swift
olive marlin
Nowadays just make sure my alarm won't stop ringing until I dress up and scan qr code outside my room.
waxen schooner
Back in my day
lol
waxen panther
gamerpic 😎
spiral robin
cursive eagle
Hey. Anyone know deadline for migrating account to microsoft ?
is it not true that non-migrated account will stop working?
vernal moth
the deadline is not public knowledge
the migration hasn't started yet, so when they announce the start, they will announce the deadline (most likely a few months after start)
and yes, after that you will not be able to play with your unmigrated account and most likely will have to contact support
I might be able to answer further questions
left swift
Mini is mojang support
vernal moth
I just happened to have read everything mojang officially published on this topic really carefully so that I know what I am allowed to talk about in public, lol
also, happy birthday minecraft! it been 12 years already
cursive eagle
Thanks
vernal moth
kinda ironic how the game is older than some of its players
wind geyser
yes
worn ember
Ok mini but what about meh privacy!!!11!!!
worn ember
wooosh
vernal moth
I was taking it serious on purpose
worn ember
next level mini strats
left swift
It's ok no one understand what ded tries to say
vestal jasper
@static badge today's a day to play OW
most of my teams have been so good that I can afk tape down left click on rein and still team kill without dying
left swift
W
nova plume
Ye lmao that’s where I got it
waxen panther
<:OMEGALUL:783623213241466900> W
fact!
nova plume
Ye lmao that’s where I got it
Also my name ChalkyJeans7 is from back when I got my 360
twin lagoon
spiral robin
@vestal jasper @cosmic raft @frigid shuttle dance https://open.spotify.com/track/3U5JVgI2x4rDyHGObzJfNf?si=7cb900b49bbf447f
mossy vessel
<a:peepoDankVibin:830086099400917032>
good morning
vestal jasper
morning
frigid shuttle
wait that's from 2004??
frigid shuttle
I will
spiral robin
ok good thanks
vestal jasper
NOONE ELSE CAN FEEL IT FOR YOU
shoves it in the "songs I recognise but never knew the name of" playlist
spiral robin
songs that hype me up for lecture
but that i dont play infront of the boys
we all got those songs 😌
vestal jasper
ah yes for me that's metalocalypse :^)
spiral robin
lovely
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
vestal jasper
sorry, dethklok
gotta say the right name, mb
spiral robin
micghael i sent u two bentley photos and u ignore them both 
waxen panther
rolled
twin lagoon
micghael i sent u two bentley photos and u ignore them both <:PES_Hands:49336285...
i saw them
and now you have to send them in #adorable-pets
olive marlin
Vic spoiling everything with the embed smh.
vestal jasper
happy?
left swift
I'm never happy
mental meadow
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y> new tom scott
|| i wasn't expecting that interview. that is incredible ||
left swift
Very cool oskar thank you be safe
faint crystal
waiting for my 2 line pr to be reviewed like
waxen panther
people have things to do
worn ember
faint crystal
i know but i don't thats why it feel like that
i refuse to do anything productive until it gets reviewd
vestal jasper
33 minutes
waxen panther
a gitignore pr isnt going to be peaking anyones interest enough to stop working on something else :p
vestal jasper
it's job time rn as well for a fair amount of people
monday at 10 am, doubt many people are home
faint crystal
you know im gon put this on my resume
vestal jasper
ok
faint crystal
any europeans in the reviewers?
faint crystal
its like almost 7 pm here
faint crystal
monday at 10 am, doubt many people are home
.
waxen panther
doesnt change the fact its been half an hour and there are more important prs to do
spiral robin
lmao
faint crystal
:(
waxen panther
woe is me man i agree
faint crystal
im sorry it's my 2nd pr im just getting too excited
waxen panther
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any europeans in the reviewers?
approx half of us, yes
waxen panther
mari xxxxx
minor badge
I've been out the last 6hrs, aurora is in private things, mini is probably drunk or high
and kneny won't review until I review cause he's a simp
minor badge
what about the bongs
minor badge
fuck do I know, I hardly engage in dumb activities
vernal moth
hookah
waxen panther
hookah isnt dumb
vernal moth
bong
waxen panther
its pog!
untold copper
whats dat
vernal moth
well, its def not something you need to encourage others to do
but it will also not kill you
untold copper
people have things to do
imagine .
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waxen panther
i imagined it