I'd assume you were asking being as I see no other reason to post the image lol
#general
brave radish
coarse lily
You could test it locally.
brave radish
Personally, I would use a VPS rented by the hour from DigitalOcean so I can do whatever I want with the server
that's just me though; I don't like being restricted by hosts
lemme check my last invoice...
olive marlin
https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
0.005euro per hour - is it really too expensive?
brave radish
0.071 cents an hour? don't remember the exact specs but would prob get it
olive marlin
@woven glen there's always free Google VM, or use 300USD they give you for sign-up, or the same with AWS /DO...
brave radish
8GB not enough for a local server?
peak ginkgo
@woven glen what are your dependencies
or shit
do you use maven?
do you use maven?
in your shade-plugin
add this to configuration
<minimizeJar>true</minimizeJar>
tell me how much it helps
worn ember
peak ginkgo
in theory you don't have the spigot api in your jar
only papi's library, barely even if that
olive marlin
You can use just 500MB of ram for a simple test server.
worn ember
time to update the potato
worn ember
https://u.dejay.dev/๐ง๐ณ๐งธ.png
wsl will release if its needed
brave radish
use Linux
don't have to
you can keep both on your computer
(Windows and Linux I mean)
brave radish
how much do you have?
worn ember
if he has integrated graphics i dont think he be having much storage
brave radish
if he has integrated graphics i dont think he be having much storage
I have a laptop with integrated graphics and four OSs and I've never had a problem with space
worn ember
ok but im sure 4 arnt your main drive now are they
i can fit 8 on 50gb if i wanted, doesnt make it useful
brave radish
Ig I just don't use files lol
worn ember
if you have bad specs best you can do is limit your background tasks and not run unneeded programs, other than that you deal with what you have
brave radish
Never run out of space on any computer or phone in my life
worn ember
i have 16gb on my phone ant also havent ran out in the 6 years i use it lol
i only have pictures and a few apps tho
brave radish
50 of that could be Linux
worn ember
but yeah minimize is useful if you have big libs that you dont use large chunks of
brave radish
I don't think losing 50 GB is gonna make much of a difference to you, is it?
worn ember
<project.build.sourceEncoding>UTF-8</project.build.sourceEncoding> isn't it utf-8 by default?
guess it doesnt matter
worn ember
what is the default then?
brave radish
not in a plugin
peak ginkgo
not for a plugin
upper flicker
It's platform dependent
worn ember
sadness
golden gust
it contains meta info
if you're not relying on that info, then removing it will have 0 effect
brave radish
you only really need it in a runnable jar
golden gust
So, clearly you don't need any of the info in that jar
metadata
things like signature files, information for java to be able to register things like any service drivers you have bundled in there, etc, etc
peak ginkgo
Maven will actually emit a warning if you omit it iirc
On windows it picks the weird old school encoding
and breaks usage of utf chars
like ยง in old school plugins
golden gust
it uses the platforms default file encoding
most people have windows configured to not use unicode
waxen panther
so funny bro XD
peak ginkgo
sometimes it'll drop in the name of the person who compiled it
upper flicker
hence why its okay to drop it
waxen panther
time to save 8 bytes ๐
upper flicker
if you were doing something else, like making a standalone runnable jar, deleting it would make it fail to run
waxen panther
wow!
peak ginkgo
\n\r on the end for windows
upper flicker
if it was used, it wouldnt work
you deleted it, and it kept working
I wonder why
waxen panther
waxen panther
ok!
peak ginkgo
Eclipse is dropping it in there for you
peak ginkgo
Are you using the hammer icon in eclipse to build?
Or are you right clicking and using that context menu
waxen panther
๐
peak ginkgo
it's been many years since i've used eclipse
Do you export as "Runnable Jar Project" or "Jar Project"
Should be using "Jar Project" to skip adding the manifest
woven otter
@waxen panther
peak ginkgo
good to see eclipse looks the exact same
brave radish
lol
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944>
limber knotBOT
manifest files are part of the jar spec...
mossy vessel
Jars without manifest ๐ฎ
wraith trail
Why do you need to?
brave radish
then tell viaversion
limber knotBOT
you don't, @woven glen
vestal jasper
That 25 bytes is absolutely not worth the effort to save
limber knotBOT
then change what you want
vestal jasper
You're not saving stuff to 160KB floppy disks
limber knotBOT
then change what you want
are you reading anything?
like, if you're going to ignore everyone here just leave
waxen panther
this is annoying ๐
tropic flame
is this conversation based on deleted messages? i don't understand it
limber knotBOT
just like you, gstudios!
tropic flame
you don't, <@389841806025687050>
like what does he not do
vestal jasper
I'm not gonna help you waste your time.
Spend this time and effort into bettering your skills and improving as a dev not fighting the compiler over 25 bytes of space.
brave radish
like what does he not do
remove the manifest
waxen panther
there's nothing to understand, this guy is trying to save 20 bytes for god knows what reason and keeps going on about it
nmf 
mossy vessel
Why is this channel so cancerous
waxen panther
ok!
golden gust
Why is it that NMF shows up when there is total cancer in play?
Coincidence, I think not!
mossy vessel
nmf <:panda_flush:814541663677710347>
Morning
brave radish
why are you in eclipse, anyway?
vestal jasper
Jroy how did I know that was you lol
limber knotBOT
meh an ide is an ide
brave radish
@ Jroy that's a lot of very similar emojis
vestal jasper
Them using eclipse is the least significant part of the conversation imo
limber knotBOT
the real question is why you're using an ide and not a real build tool
there seem to be a lot of things you don't know
vestal jasper
I'm not gonna help you waste your time.
Spend this time and effort into betteri...
Then use this time to learn how to properly build plugins. @woven glen
limber knotBOT
wat
brave radish
zml didn't suggest that you code in a build tool....
tropic flame
ngl y'all just confusing him with this IDE vs build tool talk lmao
golden gust
ZMLs comment was for the people getting flustered over what IDE you're using
vestal jasper
Learn to not be lazy. Take pride in your work and strive to improve.
woven otter
yeah no need to argue about IDEs everyone knows that IJ is superior anyways
runs
tropic flame
nah I've probably written worse
limber knotBOT
meh i've seen a lot of things and for some reason i'm still alive
tropic flame
sure
limber knotBOT
not really
tropic flame
sure
take your time
learn how to make your project into a Maven project, while you're at it
that's what people meant by using a build tool
oh ok
waxen panther
omfl
tropic flame
yeah i can't really see any code in there
for all i know those names could actually be meaningful
tropic flame
that's nice
waxen panther
lol ๐ ๐คฃ
tropic flame
brave radish
private repo?
vestal jasper
Inb4 private
tropic flame
yeah you gotta make it public
tropic flame
waxen panther
๐
brave radish
I have a repo with two "Initial commit"s
tropic flame
I've written worse
peak ginkgo
like down to the bytes
tropic flame
anyways you got this line here https://www.github.com/LolBoiDev2/KMEnchants/tree/master/src/me/gstudiosx/kmenchants/KMEnchants.java#L43
you might want to put a return; after the disablePlugin() call
peak ginkgo
paper discord code review
tropic flame
it already happened to me that it'd keep running even after i disable my own plugin
like the next few lines of code before it actually decided to disable itself
upper flicker
you know for all that drama
tropic flame
and then stuff goes dumb
upper flicker
this isnt even close to the worst thing thats ever been posted in here
not even remotely on the same level
peak ginkgo
[WARNING] JAR will be empty - no content was marked for inclusion!
tropic flame
just send yatopia's link
peak ginkgo
Yeah you're not even using maven
@tropic flame hey that's not fair.. to the people who wrote the patches
waxen panther
idc about the code i care about the obsession to skim kilobytes
brave radish
I've seen much much worse (even written by teams of people) and haven't been here long
tropic flame
<@!294565307974942720> hey that's not fair.. to the people who wrote the patches
true
peak ginkgo
So you're building with Ant
Which is why your jars are so big
It's keeping your dependencies' jar files in there probably
See that warning?
When maven is properly used an empty jar is produced
I don't know how to use Eclipse, my best bet would be finding a video for you
I could also recommend,, ,installing intellij and the minecraft developers plugin
I did for a while too
Now I see the light
golden gust
That error generally means that you shoved your files in the wrong place for maven
worn ember
intellij eats up ram tho, which he doesnt have
golden gust
clearly not
peak ginkgo
@golden gust There's no plugin actually doing the work though
brave radish
intellij eats up ram tho, which he doesnt have
it can probably deal with a tiny heap size though
never tried
peak ginkgo
There's a way to make maven just put files into a jar
tropic flame
it's not in src/main/java/
peak ginkgo
and this pom.xml is that way
tropic flame
just src/
golden gust
^
the class files are in the wrong place for mavens default directories
You can tell maven to look elsewhere, but, that's generally stupid
tropic flame
eclipse should've taken care of that for you
peak ginkgo
Proof Eclipse is bad :(
tropic flame
yeaaahh but the actual source code has to be in the src/main/java/ directory
tropic flame
Proof Eclipse is bad :(
I've used it and never had this problem lmao
nowadays I just use vscode though
peak ginkgo
for java?
tropic flame
and copy paste from other projects 
tropic flame
i know
worn ember
at least it looks ok
tropic flame
it's not exclusively just eclipse though
peak ginkgo
it's just where it's setup @woven glen
tropic flame
because maven will not look at it
worn ember
peak ginkgo
bc you also put resources into that dir
tropic flame
maven will not look at any of your source code unless it's in that directory
peak ginkgo
You can right click in your project
new -> folder
name it main
move it into source
Oh the build target
tropic flame
._.
peak ginkgo
uh
brave radish
apparently the whole world is too "annoying" for GStudiosX
tropic flame
you're not supposed to change it really
worn ember
i think not having my code compile is worse than it being ugly lul
tropic flame
the entire Maven world is built assuming you use those directories
peak ginkgo
Dejay do you do tech support irl?
Something like it
tropic flame
? what
peak ginkgo
I used to do customer service then I quit for mineman
tropic flame
your question mark tells us absolutely nothing
waxen panther
dejay you have way too much patience for this shit
worn ember
my veins would pop if this was to happen daily to me xD
i dont anger easily but people being dum is one way to get me triggered, i'm supposed to be the only dumbass around
peak ginkgo
Maven will figure it out I think
it wont but
You need a build plugin to tell it to look there
And without specifying the plugin it won't look anywhere but default
peak ginkgo
not on windows i dont have the effort to figure that out
worn ember
tropic flame
it was a joke
peak ginkgo
my internet taking its time
worn ember
i think discord is dying
woven otter
discord is dying rip
unkempt drift
hmm, just thought of an interesting question.
First long-duration stay of humans on mars... do they bring a gun with them?
brave radish
Discord is dying
peak ginkgo
@zealous wedge we might be good?
vestal jasper
It's broke
limber knotBOT
can you shoot a gun on mars
unkempt drift
yeah, should be able to. pretty sure they work in space just fine
zealous wedge
hooray
tropic flame
test
peak ginkgo
worn ember
dont you need oxygen to ignite them?
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
zealous wedge
oh, bot is coming back
vestal jasper
I've been uwu'd and idk where
limber knotBOT
does it need air or does air just "help"
waxen panther
@vestal jasper uwu
twin lagoon
I've been uwu'd and idk where
uwu
unkempt drift
does it need air or does air just "help"
@worn ember no, no atmospheric oxygen required. modern ammo has its own oxidizer
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
bruh is discord working again
twin lagoon
it do be like that
unkempt drift
my thinking is, that someone could go crazy
limber knotBOT
the ol reboot
i didn't search for a dozen different IRC clients for nothing
what did you end up using
i just use a web client :p
for android* i mean
ah
even still kekw
CoreIRC Lite
weechat-android life
I use TheLounge
iirc it's even on FDroid
k
oh it's on F-Droid? should've checked that first
i went straight to the play store lmfao
bye logics
tropic flame
test
tropic flame
nice
wait does my client say bye automatically when i disconnect
i should probably change that
tropic flame
oh just that? okay then
i thought my client actually did something lmfao
nice it didn't
limber knotBOT
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon uwu
tropic flame
tropic flame
i like this Windows 3.1 installation style terminal
twin lagoon
that terminal looks like ass
golden gust
No sources to compile
waxen panther
micheal omg oxoxoxo
twin lagoon
tropic flame
<build>
<sourceDirectory>/src</sourceDirectory>
<plugins>
<plugin>
<artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
<version>2.0.2</version>
<configuration>
<includes><include>**/src/**</include></includes>
</configuration>
</plugin>
</plugins>
</build>
brave radish
*discord
tropic flame
discord come on don't die again wtf
twin lagoon
it's only for the past 2 days or so
brave radish
.g 1 + 1
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) 1 (number) A number and a numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. (https://duckduckgo.com/1?v=i&kp=1)
brave radish
I did that to see if it would send but... why did it just define 1...
peak ginkgo
oh my god why does reddit keep signing me out
I noticed that
and it's like
"oh you're logged in :) hold pls"
twin lagoon
no but for me it just logs me out completely
i have to login like normal, 2fa and all
cunning raft
stop asking
no you don't
stop asking, if someone wants to help, they will
this is the only warning you're getting
twin lagoon
that is literally fine
no one cares about src/main/java
i would focus more on getting maven & your code to work properly
isntead of caring about something as useless as src/main/java
twin lagoon
it does
twin lagoon
use gradle
worn ember
@waxen panther use gradle
vestal jasper
i would focus more on getting maven & your code to work properly
I've told them numerous times to stop focusing on trivial things that make 0 impact and to focus on things like code improvement etc
But they're not interested in that
twin lagoon
royal kernel
dont you love it when plugins dont work
cunning raft
lol i wonder why you've been banned
twin lagoon
royal kernel
hello there
wraith trail
at this rate you'll soon have another to add to the collection
twin lagoon
because you're annoying/obnoxious
no one needs to know that you've been banned from various servers because you've pirated a $3 game and pinging someone for no reason
and for the rest, the last two hours of #general
twin lagoon
that's where it goes wrong
you're not entitled to support
nor does everyone want to handhold you through basic stuff like getting maven set up
you're not entitled to support
3 hours is nothing
wraith trail
you're falling in the same trap over and over
twin lagoon
don't expect that you will get support / good support
that's great, it doesn't matter
no one cares
unless you're a paying customer of a product where it specifically states that you're getting support, you're not entitled to support
golden gust
your "need" does not imply that people have to provide you support
Please read the license of the software you're using.
vestal jasper
People have jobs. People do things. They have lives. They're not going to sit there catering to your every whim.
They're not your mother, they don't care to stop everything they're doing to help you.
golden gust
Which is your issue, your "need" for support does not entitle you to it
twin lagoon
i don't think you understand that everyone in here is a volunteer contributor
same thing with skunity
twin lagoon
that still doesn't make you entitled to support
golden gust
Because being frank, you act like an entitled ass
cunning raft
man i don't understand the logic going thru ur head
twin lagoon
if no one answers you you're either acting like an asshole, you're being very vague or you have an issue that people just can't be bothered to help with
golden gust
then you get an answer and you're like "I'm lazy" or "that's ugly, I don't wanna do that" in regards to laying out the project in a standard manner
Nobody owes you support, and when you set the expectation that you're gonna be an ass to deal with, people ain't gonna bother
and after the first time?
modest path
my dude
if no one is helping
it's because they don't want to, after providing you a perfectly sufficient response to your question and you completely ignoring it
you ignored the suggestion
maven is designed in a certain way, gradle is a useful alternative
instead, you keep asking the same question despite both responses
if no one wants to answer you, it's most likely because they already have
modest path
If you want some help with maven, feel free to message me in DMs
But don't keep asking here after people already told you to stop
golden gust
So, you tried their answer, it didn't work, so you started throwing attitude at them
wraith trail
surprised you weren't booted there as well
golden gust
So, after denying all of this, you admit straight up that you started acting like a complete ass because you didn't get the answer you wanted
twin lagoon
then pay someone for support if you need it
i once again do not see how easy it is to understand
no one gives a flying fuck about your issues
you're not entitled to support
golden gust
!ban @woven glen Your entitlement/attitude in general is not welcome in this community
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned GStudiosX#0422 (Your entitlement/attitude in general is not welcome in this community) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
modest path
i straight up offered him help
wraith trail
does warship has a ban save equivalent?
golden gust
Don't think so
twin lagoon
you can configure it to not remove messages
golden gust
if it does it's hidden otherwise I woulda used it
twin lagoon
but i don't think it has a ban save equivalent
golden gust
I was hoping somebody else would
twin lagoon
to be fair considering we have IRC logs anyways you might aswell just make it not remove messages
wraith trail
!softban
thorny flickerBOT
Command softban requires 2 argument(s) (<user:user|snowflake> <reason:str...>) passed 0
waxen panther
I told jroy to ban him like 4 hours a go
twin lagoon
oh
waxen panther
wraith trail
think might be that
twin lagoon
huh, TIL about softban
cunning raft
!help
wraith trail
got from dejay's speedboat docs https://dejaydev.github.io/speedboat-docs/plugins/infractions.html
don't think warship has docs
twin lagoon
it's a rowboat fork so any form of docs work
golden gust
I try to like, keep outside of mod stuff, but, generally, eeer... if you're gonna be "like that", you can just sod off
wraith trail
but they have the same command structure
waxen panther
cat is hot
golden gust
That's the one thing that irks me with this community
cunning raft
ah its !inf reason <id> <reason>
waxen panther
vic 
vestal jasper
Did they delete their own messages
vestal jasper
Ah
golden gust
very few people are willing to just yeet out the shit members of the community
waxen panther
@cunning raft !
cunning raft
<@!194473148161327104> !
?
golden gust
Why you get people like the "unspoken few" who are literally around on spigot for years causing drama and harm to the community
twin lagoon
vic 
waxen panther
ur boss just told you to ban everyone
golden gust
Ngl, I would ban everyone
waxen panther
๐ณ
golden gust
would make managing the discord easier
cunning raft
i would apply the wiz theory of moderation but look where that got him
waxen panther
Just be like 50% wiz
vestal jasper
^
golden gust
wiz was just too brutish in some areas, but, generally, eerrr.... my stance of moderation is that I generally prefer to leave it towards others but I'm not gonna allow bad actors or entitled douches throw their attitude around in here
waxen panther
we do a little modding
worn ember
no u
pulsar wigeon
there's only like what, 16k people in here? shouldn't take too long to ban them all
waxen panther
please
royal kernel
well brocc is the "boss", so you cannot ban brocc
waxen panther
yes I forgot I own the discord
worn ember
hmm
waxen panther
void void
Yo boys, let me know if this video is a movie or irl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RErdSr0iAcs
true canyon
Yes.
magic river
Yo boys, let me know if this video is a movie or irl.
https://www.youtube.com/wa...
Looks like Hong Kong
void void
๐
from requests import get
def check(email):
try:
r = get(f"https://mail.google.com/mail/gxlu?email={email}")
return r.headers['set-cookie'] != ''):
except KeyError:
return False
for x in range(10000):
mail = f"david{x}@gmail.com"
if check(mail):
print(f"{mail} is still free!")
else:
print(f"checked {mail}.")
```Okay so basically with this, it doesn't check google accounts that were created, then deleted, so it shows as available, how do I fix this?is that javascript?
void void
python
royal kernel
nice
royal kernel
I love using python
wild escarp
Yo boys, let me know if this video is a movie or irl.
https://www.youtube.com/wa...
read the description
void void
yeh how 2 fix ๐ฆ
cunning raft
or don't abuse google's apis :))
void void
its not abosee tho
cunning raft
totally is
brave radish
https://discord.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/8385878716391...
can this please get a pin?
turbid oar
๐ค
royal kernel
Firefox > chrome
cunning raft
broc spreading lies
waxen panther
wtf
turbid oar
lol
cunning raft
this is why he is NOT the boss of papermc
waxen panther
see my previous message .
royal kernel
he totally is
waxen panther
WTF
turbid oar
Got a question who is the real boss of papermc 
waxen panther
that is a blatant abuse of power!
turbid oar
lmao
royal kernel
minecraft getting political
brave radish
Minecraft always political
waxen panther
true!
royal kernel
the politics of forking
void void
works for google? ๐ฑ
worn ember
goggle politics
royal kernel
the algorithm is the boss
cunning raft
no
brave radish
I don't know how Minecraft, being the game with like the most laidback EULA ever, became the political nightmare it is
cunning raft
i do not
waxen panther
sure
cunning raft
broc is lying
waxen panther
where u work then big man ?
waxen panther
[redacted due to pending law suit] โ
golden gust
nightmare in which way?
brave radish
oh no is cat typing a history lesson?!
golden gust
I mean, there are many complexities, like, this entire game is backed by projects like what was bukkit and the servers having control over being able to do stuff which they couldn't of done with the like, "modern" eula enforcement
royal kernel
if each fork had its own eula on top of the minecraft one
brave radish
ok no history lesson ๐
void void
hey darkeyedragon
brave radish
if each fork had its own eula on top of the minecraft one
they can't, really
void void
what is your business email?
brave radish
cuz GPL
void void
๐ณ
golden gust
they disabled the ping thing
royal kernel
who discord?
golden gust
can tell with the lack of an @ next to the name
No, Headless did
(or should I say brainless)
brave radish
๐ข
royal kernel
thats great, now I can reply without pinging people
cunning raft
?
brave radish
look at the artifacts
royal kernel
ima try yatopia, to see how bad it actually is
brave radish
JDK 11, 16, 15, and 8 for everything recent
royal kernel
is yatopia bad because its glitchy and breaks things or becasue its unstable?
potent fossil
can you just not bring the yatopia shit here
brave radish
don't need to bait drama here
me, or Z?
royal kernel
me
potent fossil
it can break your server, yes
cunning raft
both
potent fossil
that's it
golden gust
nearly headless nick, how are you nearly headless?
brave radish
both
I'm not baiting drama; I really don't want to gossip about yatopia as I've never even used it
potent fossil
Like yea no shit? I get you literally can't come to class, but why would he just give free points
huh
"it's not fair"
except if he gave you free points for missing it wouldnt be fair to everyone else who actually went ot class
im ranting bc if i told him this he'd get mad at me
ok bye
viral hornet
Yeah, a few of servers i'm in have the same issue pensive
turbid oar
viral hornet
@spiral robin uwu
viral hornet
iirc it's caused issues with world/data corruption, they also do unsafe patches which have a high chance of breaking shit
spiral robin
spend a day in their guild to have a laugh at the inexcusable bugs recently. blocks being randomly rendered, corruption, etc
viral hornet
Just seems like they try to do "everything", but most of the time stuff is either reverted or causes chaos
half hawk
that sounds just awful
untold copper
uwu gm bois
wraith trail
api abuse much?
wraith trail
the thing is you aren't meant to be able to do what he's trying to do
there is no public api that you are meant to use to do this
cunning raft
also don't just repost your question again like that in here
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@spiral robin 
limpid comet
hello
spiral robin
Hello bluely ! Good evening
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my bluely?
merry talon
Yeah we aren't going to help you do something blatantly malicious if you can't figure it out yourself
merry talon
untold copper
why does sweepy always sound pissed
vestal jasper
Sweepy I didn't ping you you're fine
spiral robin
@vestal jasper woa 
merry talon
but also totally outside of my control which pisses me off even more
untold copper
lol
swift root
<@347959633518002177> <a:kittyuwu:786460233991192596>
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void void
hey is there any way to download 1.16.4 server
half pewter
hey is there any way to download 1.16.4 server
yeah, exactly 1.16.4 for the dupes or as in joinable from 1.16.4? If second one, download 1.16.5
void void
not for the dupes but i need exactly 1.16.4
potent fossil
you can only get it from the API. latest 1.16.4 is here https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.16.4/builds/416/downloads/paper-1.16.4-416.jar
you get no support if you use this.
void void
thank you so much simple โค๏ธ
vestal jasper
@quasi valley thirsty?
quasi valley
slurp
potent fossil
sn15 might be launching soon
spacex put out road closures and TFRs for May 4th-6th
potent fossil
wat
vestal jasper
Idk haven't heard of sn15 til now
vestal jasper
What's... Sn11
vestal jasper
Ah ok
modest path
RandomSurvey: what does irc get right vs discord? Same for guilded, what does it get right vs discord
limpid comet
Yea I don't get gilded at all
potent fossil
I mean, yea I agree that humanity at the moment is disgusting. But call me a dreamer, I don't think that that means we should give up and die
Things won't change if people think like that
People are super comfortable riding the train directly into hell instead of wanting to change, they'll just decide "change will never happen, so I won't try or participate in any attempt"
olive marlin
Just imagine how much tech will need to be invented to make Mars habitable. To be able to make food there etc. Which, after price drops, might be used back on earth too.
potent fossil
And that's a really bad feedback loop lol. "I want change, but change won't happen. So I'll just sit and watch."
And then they observe as change never happens
waxen panther
potent fossil
So I am very done with that conversation
waxen panther
Idk simple seems like you have a lot of strange friends
potent fossil
Apparently so
potent fossil
I'm very much on board with technological advancement not to any end other than "well, if we had that what else could we make?" purely in the name of innovation and exploration. My jam is creating in the name of creation, and exploring in the name of seeing what's out there. But he's very deadset on "the capitalists will destroy whatever advancements are made, so why try"
And that pessimism is not my cup of tea
Negative feedback loops can get wildly out of control really fast
"it would be cool to explore, but exploration would need change. change would be nice but nobody wants to change. since nobody wants to change, activism to change is a waste of time. since it's a waste of time, nobody should be an activist for change. since nobody will be activists for change, nothing will ever change. since nothing will ever change, nobody should ever try. and if nobody ever tries, then humanity as a whole should just die"
that's his line of thinking, and it's all based on negative feedback from the prior idea
woven otter
is he ok lol
potent fossil
i mean, he's got some mental health issues but that kind of thinking can only come out of persistent negativity to new ideas. the mental health problems might exacerbate that, but that extent of negativity is pretty yikes
untold copper
rip
potent fossil
So I just dipped out of that conversation
woven otter
yeah i feel you can expect that kind of conversation then
potent fossil
i mean, he and a few other people I know have been on a consistent downward trend throughout this last year and I can't really blame them. there's a negative feedback loop present in education right now for people who don't grasp a topic. the online modality makes it so difficult to reach out for proper help from professors and nobody slows down for people who need extra understanding. so that is probably playing a role too. "i don't get it, i need help with this content. but nobody can or will help me, the office hours are too full on zoom and my question is never fully answered. in that case, i will never understand. if i never understand, i will fail. if i fail, i won't get into uni. if i don't get into uni, i will end up on the street" etc etc. he's deep in that feedback loop as well, and I've tried to pull his ass out but I haven't succeeded yet lol
but yeah, oh well. it's a pretty sad viewpoint to be stuck in. i hope he can pull himself out of it because i can't imagine being that faithless to the point that you think humanity is pointless
merry talon
simple? the intellectual?
potent fossil
Yeah I got an injection of braincells
untold meadow
we've got so many problems at home and making a colony on Mars literally solves exactly zero of these problems
it's a waste of money funded by billionaires who would rather kill their own mother than give money to actually help those in need
olive marlin
I recommend watching: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lARpY0nIQx0
Relatively not much money goes to NASA, and the innovation help people around the world.
woven otter
not really. I mean yes it might seem wasteful because how much money is needed and how little progress is made but I think things like that drive innovation and innovation is good because it can improve existing things
untold meadow
yeah that's a good video but public funded organisations aren't really what im talking about
woven otter
like look at something like CERN. why bother looking for new elementary particles right? and dark matter etc etc
but there are things that have been improved in medicine because of cern
merry talon
i mean just look at the combined space budget vs the defence budget
olive marlin
Private companies bring less innovation, but still help. For example Musk trying to make rockets reusable etc.
sacred violet
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woven otter
no only english here
olive marlin
They'll try to make money, they'll have to innovate to make Mars habitable.
sacred violet
ok
merry talon
tbh, things like colonizing mars give me something to be optimistic about in a world that's just hell
that's worth something
sacred violet
but i have promlem with ping on my server
potent fossil
I mean yea, we do have a lot of problems on earth but I don't see why that means nobody can work on going off earth
potent fossil
but i have promlem with ping on my server
olive marlin
They will get cash from the rich wanting to go to the space for a few hours/days, spend it on further innovation.
vernal moth
Starship is already partly funded that way
potent fossil
space tourism is pretty fucking bonkers, but those people can do what they want
I'm not in it for that
merry talon
you don't want to go on a trip to the moon?
vernal moth
Same as starlink
potent fossil
I understand that, but $250K for a ride to the moon and back is bonkers
Those who can afford it, more power to em
Not my jam tho. Like I said, I'm in it for the advancement of technology and human knowledge
That is to say, solely, that I won't buy something like that even if I could afford it. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere
olive marlin
Prices will go down. I'd probably go on it at some point just out of curiosity.
potent fossil
If the prices become reasonable for a "normal" person to purchase and go on a trip like that, count me in
But I won't spend > 5k
olive marlin
When the price is relatively affordable, most of the time I'll have better things to spend cash on.
novel horizon
5k is still quite a lot of money for some ^^ so
potent fossil
I know, it's a lot for me too
olive marlin
Of course it'll be expensive.
potent fossil
You're talking to a guy who goes on super economy flights across the world for $300
I don't splurge on those 
olive marlin
There's no way it goes to a few hundred dollars.
potent fossil
Yea, space tourism going from $250k to $5k is already a huge stretch. I have no idea how low those tickets will ever go
olive marlin
But probably max 10k would be what I'd be willing to pay for the experience.
novel horizon
I wouldn't probably spend even 1k$ unless i really am great with everything else
olive marlin
Oh, yeah. That's a given.
merry talon
I feel like that's a once in a lifetime experience that could change my outlook on life permanently
I would spend a lot
olive marlin
You spend your extra cash on having fun, never drain your account.
potent fossil
I wouldn't break my bank for it, is what I'm trying to say
olive marlin
Yeah.
potent fossil
I'd need to be able to buy it twice and still have enough money for a few months emergency fund before I'd consider it
novel horizon
I was never in an plane too ๐คทโโ๏ธ
merry talon
That statement doesn't really make sense if you consider it something to save for like a house or car though?
potent fossil
I (used to) fly a lot, but I never spend a lot on my tickets. I will travel hack those tickets into fucking oblivion
merry talon
Would you apply the same logic to a house?
novel horizon
??
potent fossil
A house you get a long term mortgage loan for
novel horizon
That's completely different though
potent fossil
Tickets for a ride are a one time immediate cost
merry talon
well let's say you put aside X amount per week for your space trip in 20 years
how much would you pay then
potent fossil
You'd have to know what the total cost for that will be though
novel horizon
I would need to live quite a lot of years to save hundreds of K ๐
potent fossil
250K is a hefty amount
Even if it drops to something like 30K, I mean, that's doable but I'd still not pay that regardless of how "once in a lifetime" it is
Now, and hear me out
I would apply for a space job.
Then I get the experience and I'll work there and make money for it.
But you won't catch me shelling out hard cash for a ride into space and back.
novel horizon
Screw the house! Going to space oh yeah
potent fossil
Also I'm likely not going to live in the US, and I project my house in the future will cost be $50K USD equivalent
novel horizon
Yeah, probably
potent fossil
So, you also won't catch me with a 400K 30-year mortgage
merry talon
Screw the house! Going to space oh yeah
For me, this but unironically lol
merry talon
would rather live in an apartment for the rest of my life and have the chance to go to the moon
novel horizon
well that's not the thing tho it might not even be that
but still
I feel like that's overestimation
like
novel horizon
living GREAT in good conditions in a nice flat?
or go see earth from orbit etc once? no thanks lol
im good with nice house or flat or something with things i can use for years and be happy ๐
potent fossil
If it becomes economical enough to take a trip to the moon, land, stay on the moon for a while, take off, land on earth for $5k, stay included, I'd pay it. $10k even, maybe. But no higher.
novel horizon
Yeah
That's just scifi still tho, so
It needs to be really good to "just travel" there like nothing
Also people are damn idiots, some people are dangerous
So psychologic tests etc are needed
so it drags out more and more, along with some medical conditions
potent fossil
I'll let the people who really want it now experience it for the cost it's going at. I don't oppose it at all. For those who can and want to pay it, that's awesome. Like trip and experience of a lifetime and then some. But that's not my jam
novel horizon
Yeah sure whatever they can do with their money what they want lol, unless it's not hurting someone whatever ^^
potent fossil
Now if I become a goddamn millionaire some day, I'm definitely gonna change what I just said
But I'm on a trajectory to a very middle class life and I'm ok with that
novel horizon
Well of course
Yeah I don't mind
If I have good food for me which i like, where to live and a nice bed to sleep in ^^ its great
potent fossil
Yup. My house might even be < $50k USD equivalent depending. Might buy some land and build a place, too. Could be cheaper where I plan to go :p
novel horizon
yeah:P
it depends on location a lot, but here you can get house for like a $100k + or so, unless it's something quite bad
Depends a lot on the land etc., but still
potent fossil
Yea, I plan to live in the Philippines and it depends where you go but there are some places where you could get a place for $30-$50k, but also other places where you'll pay $400k. It just depends.
novel horizon
If you get some house with a land for $50K here it's going to be pretty small not even house almost, more like cottage
Yeah
Life is weird ๐
potent fossil
I also don't really want a huge house, which makes some people scoff at me. But cleaning a huge place is annoying as hell
novel horizon
Yeah
potent fossil
You could be the cleanest person alive and you're still dusting shit in your house every 2 days just because the air
potent fossil
So give me a nice small abode that fits me and my family and I'm chillin lol
novel horizon
and it settles on things etc
a lot of dust or dead skin etc
if you dont clean it enough then eww dust on some things and such lol
potent fossil
if people could see the amount of shit in the air and dead skin left behind on everything they touch, they'd 1) want to wear a mask all the time even outside of a pandemic and 2) want a cleanroom with chemical shower constructed immediately
vernal moth
We survived for decades like this, I think we are fine
Especially once we finally banned ICEs
Especially fucking diesel
novel horizon
yeah i hate it
woven otter
ICEs?
novel horizon
im not like clean everything guy but still lol i just hate it ๐
vernal moth
I can clean my windows, the day later it's dirty again, thanks to diesel
Internal combustion engine
potent fossil
Of course we're fine, the shit in the air is mostly filtered by the hairs in your nasal canal, but it's still gross and shocking to see it
woven otter
oh yeah
vernal moth
Again last gen car engines
potent fossil
You get a peek at it with a sunbeam shining into a room but that's everywhere
vernal moth
Current gen EVs don't have such issues
novel horizon
yeah lol
when you open a window on a sunny day and you clean/move around stuff
then u see it a lot
It's weird though, how life is, that everything happened the way it is and how nothing will be here anyway some time later
Sometimes it feels like it's for nothing
Gonna order probably some mcdonalds damn im bad lol
hey just for info how much costs like 10 nuggets from mcdonalds in your area?
in here there's quite low pay but i feel like it's quite pricey vs. other countries ๐ค
olive marlin
I only found it on Uber Eats:
olive marlin
14 PLN is 3.7 usd
novel horizon
kinda good
waxen panther
Nuggets
olive marlin
Broccolai
novel horizon
Depends though on how much you make there too ^^
like if "ew nuggets here cost $5 but minimum wage per hour here is $10" then that doesn't sound that bad lol
olive marlin
Depends if you think of minimal, average or median pay?
waxen panther
I earn 12 nuggets an hour
novel horizon
Average of middle class
If you look for "average payout czech republic" for me it says like $1k or so at least
but I like know 1 out of 10 people that make that much
Most people make like $500 or $600 and they're okay, living
olive marlin
According to quick Google it's 5k here.
novel horizon
but some people or politicans make like $4k+ and that takes it quite higher
10 people with avg pay of 500$ + 1 person of payout like 10k$ well then avg payout is few thousands $ almost lol
olive marlin
Yeah. That's why I feel like median pay is better.
olive marlin
Yeah. In general it all sucks.
novel horizon
"minimum" tho is like $600 mostly
which is what a lot of people make
money sucks lol
olive marlin
My cousin with 3 bachelor and 2 master degrees earns so little is sad.
novel horizon
yeah
potent fossil
yeah my fiancee takes $600 per month
has a bachelors, lots of experience. it's really sad
olive marlin
As an intern with almost no knowledge and no degree in my company you get paid better than me previously mentioned cousin.
Everything is just that fucked.
potent fossil
ashen cliff
My cousin with 3 bachelor and 2 master degrees earns so little is sad.
Better not be 3 bachelors of arts and 2 master degrees of linguistics.
olive marlin
One bachelor and master is from Physical Education Academy.
Two bachelors and one master is from Management.
I'm not sure what exactly, if it's mostly financial management or what.
vernal moth
Meanwhile I have a scuffed bachelor of science and earn way above median in german
olive marlin
Meanwhile I don't have a degree and earn too much.
vernal moth
Oh actually not that much as I thought
I earn a bit more than man avg pay
But way more than woman avg pay
There is a difference of 600 euro per month, lmao
waxen panther
do mojang have an official server status thing anywhere
olive marlin
I'm not sure what's the real average/median pay here. But I saw it earlier today being 5K PLN before taxes or something, so about 1300 usd.
Double that. Add some more. I earn that - and after taxes.
ashen cliff
MFW we only have a 8% difference in pay between man and woman.
vernal moth
waxen panther
thank you 
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper
olive marlin
So probably get like 3x the average pay?
olive marlin
Hmm?
vernal moth
It's getting better tho, avg in 2016 was 4k lol
olive marlin
Our minimum wage is at 2600 or something?
olive marlin
Mini, a lot of that is inflation.
ashen cliff
Typical Slav number, the minimum is even below of what you need to live.
woven otter
But hey, discrimination doesn't exist
yes sure it is if woman make less for doing the same job for same hours
olive marlin
And giving away money left and right to people who refuse to work. But that's more suited for #politics
vernal moth
yes sure it is if woman make less for doing the same job for same hours
Yes
About 5% of smth for the same job
woven otter
would definitely see the statistics on this and the reasoning behind the difference because many people use average for women and men and get angry without actually thinking it through
vernal moth
Well, that difference even exists at my company
There are enough numbers for this on all different levels
There is no denying that systematic issues exists
potent fossil
lets all get on swtor
potent fossil
you mean you don't wanna play WoW except in space?
waxen panther
nope
potent fossil
sucks, im a lvl 27 jedi knight and i will destroy you
potent fossil
cedar spade
imagine getting a 3090 to play an 18 year old game
grave ember
Quick question, where should I ask a dev question related to plugins connecting to devices ?
potent fossil
probably #paper-dev
grave ember
Cool! thx
worn ember
install a rat while ur at it
ashen cliff
Always.
ashen cliff
Bro. I still get physical newspapers bro.
I hear it's good for the trees.
Since otherwise they are permanently just rooted there unemployed.
untold copper
worn ember
hmm which balkan country cancelled them then
untold copper
krusic any ideas on how to fix this
ashen cliff
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
worn ember
format it and partition it in a useful format
untold copper
format it and partition it in a useful format
tried formatting, didn't work
worn ember
try harder
royal kernel
thats fun
worn ember
diskpart is your friend
potent fossil
boot into gparted live