#general

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magic river
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Water as a battery requires particular terrain that isn't all that common

worn ember
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you can still tone down nuclear reactions, just not as on demand as others, you can still supplement it with renewable to meet demand

worn ember
magic river
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Nuclear is hours to days to change the output while renewables change their output on a minute by minute basis (probably buffered somewhere to an hourly basis otherwise it'd be too hard to work with)

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Not that much

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It sounds like a lot of space but it really isn't

ashen cliff
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Nuclear can change power faster than hours. It's still slow compared to other stuff.

worn ember
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solar and wind turbines also have a short lifespan

magic river
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So?

worn ember
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20-25 years

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you cant really recycle turbine blades

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they literally get moved to landfills

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very green if you ask me

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two sides to every story

magic river
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And it's still greener than coal or nuclear so...

warm anchor
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but my views!

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Those ugly things!

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/s

magic river
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I don't think we should shut down any nuclear we have now unless it really just isn't needed anymore or has reached end of life, it makes sense to be using nuclear right now

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I don't think it'll make sense 10 or 20 years from now so there is no point in building new ones

worn ember
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there's no way this is "solved" in 10-20 years

magic river
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All of it? No

spare venture
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Paper general lookin great today

worn ember
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so what do you do if the now in use nuclear plants reach EOL?

magic river
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Enough of it to make nuclear uneconomical? I think we're already there in some respects

waxen panther
spare venture
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😳

vernal moth
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mfw

waxen panther
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lol

worn ember
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how are you gonna have a stable power grid without burning tonnes of fossil fuels in a country like germany or belgium for that fact, where hydro and natural gas aren't really an option

vernal moth
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why can randoms call you?

ashen cliff
magic river
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Right now? You burn coal while building up your renewable + storage systems

ashen cliff
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But we don't need Thorium, since you can't use it for weapons. kekwhyper

magic river
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And there is at least one new LNG port building built to bring natural gas from the US

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From a climate perspective you'd probably be better off building another nuclear plant until renewables can replace it

worn ember
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Well, we have 2 nuclear plants down and energy prices already went 20% up so i'll be glad if you're right

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but i doubt it'll be that easy

magic river
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But no one cares about that, we're talking economics 😛

worn ember
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if only economics were directly tied to the environment 🙂

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we would have already solved the issue decades ago

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yeah but i think germany is actively closing power plants and take them all out of commission by 2022

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which is just stupid

vernal moth
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most are closed, yeah

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it was a fun year, gov changed plans to continue using nuclear for longer, which was controversial, then fokushima blew up, merkel went 180, which was controversial too

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but germany is also better with renewables than many others

magic river
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Closing them early makes no sense if their replacement is coal

worn ember
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^^

vernal moth
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their replacement isn't coal

warm anchor
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I mean do German even get earthquake like the one in Japan that basically delete everything

vernal moth
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coal just runs a bit longer I think, but capacity is already way lower

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no eternity

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but ppl dont care

warm anchor
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So it’s safe to say it’s relatively safe 🤷‍♂️

worn ember
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how do you meet demand then?

vernal moth
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and like, theres still no solution to nuclear waste 🤷

warm anchor
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We dump it to red’s backyard

vernal moth
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germany runs 50%+ on renewables

magic river
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They do it with renewables and importing power from France 😄

vernal moth
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we also export

magic river
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On windy days, yeah

vernal moth
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most of our power is wind, so we flood the market with wind when a storm hits

worn ember
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i think like 5% of our energy is renewable kekw

mossy vessel
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We went from 5% to 50% within the past 20 years, not a bad change tho

vernal moth
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prices went below 0 twice last month 😄

magic river
vernal moth
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you can see how we turned down all non renewable we could, and win still fucked the european energy market 😄

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wind speed spikes for the last two energy price drops

magic river
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Can't turn coal and nuclear off without a large lead time and they take a while to turn back on too so yeah, can only go so low

vernal moth
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yeah exactly

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thats the reason the price plummets

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cause we gotta rid of the energy somehow

magic river
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That's what I was talking about with natural gas being ideal

vernal moth
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this is how we want to go forward

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remove all coal, use gas for steering basically

magic river
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Natural gas is less efficient (but I think produces less CO2 still?) if left running for long periods but it's the only one you can turn off and on rapidly

worn ember
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belguim produces like 11.5% green energy and only like 50% of our power is produced inland and most of that is from nuclear

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so we just buy our emissions from other countries that know how to actually do anything useful

vernal moth
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thats current installed power for germany

ashen cliff
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Nice to see Biomass on the list.

vernal moth
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uranium is gonna go next year I think

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goal for coal is currently 35 but realisitcally thats much sooner

ashen cliff
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We kind of killed Biomass due to people complaining about the smell.

worn ember
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stop burning people then

vernal moth
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we put biomass next to farms

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they smell anyways

ashen cliff
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So did we.

vernal moth
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gov just gives farmers to build their own biomass basically

ashen cliff
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We legit, build on in the middle of nowhere and people started to complain.

vernal moth
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ppl here complain about wind turbines

worn ember
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we get people complaining about the shadow of windmills lol

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to be fair they're quite annoying

ashen cliff
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Can't even have wind turbines here due to the birds being extra special.

magic river
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There is no way burning biomass smells worse than fertilizing a field

worn ember
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fertilizing a field doesnt smell so bad tbh

magic river
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They spray literal human feces into the air

worn ember
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wat

magic river
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I guess you don't do it the same way :p

worn ember
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no one sprays human feces on their lands lmfao

ashen cliff
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We do. kekwhyper

worn ember
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wtf

vernal moth
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we sell that shit to the netherlands

worn ember
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thats literally illegal here

magic river
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It's treated so it won't be a source of disease but still smells the same

worn ember
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only animal feces are allowed

ashen cliff
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We usually dump it in water protection areas. kekwhyper

worn ember
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i live between 3 farmlands, each side of the house except the front and you only smell it like 1 day in the year

magic river
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Yeah when I lived in the country I learned to not ride my bike for like a week or two

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Otherwise it'd coat my mouth and I'd taste it until I brushed my teeth

worn ember
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yikes

ashen cliff
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Also living next to pig farms is even better.

worn ember
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my neighbor is a pig farmer xD

native wolf
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But it might be that i'm just used to it lol

left swift
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No messages in awhile better post poki

ashen cliff
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Post a dead chat meme.

left swift
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Wiz dont ban me

olive garden
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tag him so he doesn't miss this important notice

left swift
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He already notice

worn ember
waxen panther
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spam

modest path
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i don't like that last emoji

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delete it

visual egret
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i dont like ded

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delete it

autumn glen
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Anyone know a plugin that sets ranks the longer you play?

vernal moth
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playing human resource machine for the first time

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man its hard to complete the challenges

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finish the task? easy

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finish it in the amount of steps they want?

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impossible

olive garden
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sounds like it was too long since you took your data structures & algorithms class

vernal moth
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how to optimize this, lol

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two steps too much and one command too much

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I feel like I have a jump too much but idk how to get rid of it

olive marlin
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Can't you always copy one, then do compare and if your copied one is wrong - copy the other one?

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1 less jump at least.

vernal moth
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I can't compare, I need to sub, which modifies my current, so I need to copy again

olive marlin
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Oh, right. Hmm.

vernal moth
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kek

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I give up, next level

left swift
unkempt drift
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you trying to learn assembly or smth

vernal moth
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urg

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again

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jake I looked at discourse api, I need a break

unkempt drift
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I thought mdcfe was supposed to do that 😜

vernal moth
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md only did the easy stuff 😄

olive marlin
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Ugh, I think I solved it but requires you to have jump if positive lol

olive marlin
waxen panther
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bullying pinapl pepehands

vernal moth
olive marlin
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sub 0
jump if positive ->
set 0
<-
add 0

Something like this?

coarse lily
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Mini that seems like some sort of dystopian hellscape simulator

vernal moth
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thats the theme, yes

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do you guys really not know this game, its amazing

olive marlin
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Is it just assembly-like coding?

coarse lily
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Hadn't heard of it but I think it's giving me office PTSD

vernal moth
olive marlin
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I used to play something like this on my mobile - though with "hacker" theme where you go through interactions with FBI and stuff.

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In the end after all tasks, you got "sandbox" where you could get different tasks and programmed a robot to do them.

coarse lily
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HR hacker? :)

olive marlin
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I can't find it neither on my phone nor on google play store :/

minor badge
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@olive marlin DANKIES

olive marlin
olive marlin
nova plume
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my printer is being spastic printer man help

modest path
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Hold on lemme give it headpats

nova plume
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ight ok

left swift
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Inkjet

modest path
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wrong, laser

nova plume
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idk what u did printer man but u made it work

vernal moth
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man this shit gets complicated fast

modest path
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gave it headpats

vernal moth
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I don't wanna write a multiplier

nova plume
modest path
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good good

nova plume
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:D

vernal moth
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ill just gonna buy the other game they made

cedar spade
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haven't played it for a couple years, doubt I'll remember any of it lol

vernal moth
cedar spade
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but also play little inferno and world of goo

vernal moth
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the second one is much nicer!

cedar spade
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oh 7 billion humans

vernal moth
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I played world of goo

cedar spade
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little inferno is wonderfully weird

waxen panther
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IS THAT THE ONE WHERE YOU JUST BURN SHIT FOR AGES

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loved that game

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i remember making my mother watch the trailer like 10 times so she'd buy it for me

tepid fulcrum
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hey so

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my server is crashing all the time bc of not enoguh memory

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i have 4gb of memory

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but a lot of plugin

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ik its not papermc's fault

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but maybe you know some popular plugins that take a lot of memory

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(please ping me if anyone will respond to that)

next frost
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should we guess which plugins you're using now?

olive garden
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yes please

nova plume
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why do you want to know abt plugins that take a lot of ram

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if ur problem is ram

modest path
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so he can identify the one to remove

wraith trail
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because obviously he has every plugin known to man

modest path
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yep

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kermit's gone?

visual egret
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@tepid fulcrum send a timings report

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/timings paste

wraith trail
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for the moment

modest path
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%STOCK_DISCORD_PHOTO% is obviously superior

wraith trail
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oskar ask him if it's throwing outofmemoryexception or getting oom killed

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very different things here

left swift
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And I OOM and I OOM

modest path
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please stop existing

left swift
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Sksksksksksksk

formal turret
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how often do you oom?

left swift
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Twice a day

nova plume
left swift
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Once in morning and once before bed

formal turret
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damn bro

left swift
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High fiber diet bro 😔

tepid fulcrum
visual egret
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tf is that

tepid fulcrum
# next frost should we guess which plugins you're using now?

ajParkour, BKCommonLib, Citizens, CitizensCMD, CoreProtect, DeluxeHub, DisableJoinMessage, Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsGeoIP, EssentialsSpawn, FastAsyncWorldEdit (WorldEdit), floodgate-bukkit, HolographicDisplays, LagAssist, LibsDisguises, LuckPerms, Multiverse-Core, OldCombatMechanics, PlaceholderAPI, PluginHider*, PluginManager, ProtocolLib, ServerRestorer, ServerSelectorX, SuperVanish, TAB-BukkitBridge, TrollBoss, UltraCosmetics, Vault, ViaBackwards, ViaRewind, ViaVersion, WorldEditSelectionVisualizer, WorldGuard

wraith trail
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pebblehost

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actually kinda nice, much faster

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and they have added most things back

left swift
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Tf pebblehost stole aikar work?

ashen cliff
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Stole.

spare venture
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Stole..?

nova plume
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communism

left swift
spare venture
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Your problem is probably your flags

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Use aikars flags

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.flags

limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
wraith trail
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he can't do that party, on pebblehost

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but regardless, is it throwing outofmemoryexception or getting killed? How do you know it's running out of memory?

spare venture
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Shit host

wraith trail
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they did actually add a "try for 6 hours" button though

left swift
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Wat

tepid fulcrum
nova plume
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i wanna see a /timings of an aternos server

spare venture
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Setting the default flags to OOM and not letting you change them PES_CringeGrin

wraith trail
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but if it sets Xmx and Xms equal to whatever they limit you too is kinda pointless

spare venture
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Might want to talk to your host about this

wraith trail
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well no, thats not the issue

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he's getting outofmemoryexception

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not getting oom killed

spare venture
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Oh

wraith trail
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so in that case you could just start with sparks heap summery as it'll probably be blatantly obvious, beyond that take a heap dump

nova plume
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getting oom killed sounds like a fun way to die

spare venture
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Those timings are god awful

wraith trail
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not a huge fan of the theme but they are way faster

spare venture
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No I mean his actual timings

wraith trail
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and they added back in the lag/all view so kinda actually semi-useful now

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oh

tepid fulcrum
upbeat falconBOT
wraith trail
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download this ^^

spare venture
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I can’t tell if mobile is stuck in lag view because of the theme but it says multiverse is using 17 mspt, you know there’s something wrong when plugins in total using 59mspt

tepid fulcrum
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i have bungeecord server

wraith trail
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run /spark heapsummary

tepid fulcrum
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and it has 5 paper servers + 1 waterfall

wraith trail
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if it isn't blatantly obvious there, then do /paper heap or whatever the actual command is

tepid fulcrum
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and i have issues with 2 paper servers

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so where should i add this plugin

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to all servers ?

wraith trail
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on the one where you are getting outofmemroyexception

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it has a heap summery feature that'll give you a high-level overview and catch super obvious issues

tepid fulcrum
wraith trail
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but, also go to #paper-help . General is not the place for support

tepid fulcrum
wraith trail
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yes, you are having a problem with paper

tepid fulcrum
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well hm ig ok

visual egret
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sulu no avatar?

left swift
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I feel like sulu avatar changed colors recently no?

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Wasnt it a different color before.. hmm

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Like green I think

visual egret
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sulu had an eclipse avatar

left swift
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No that's a different person

visual egret
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huh

nova plume
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sulu had kermit i think

visual egret
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oh yeah

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oh eclipse is geo

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and, yeah, sulu is kermit

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Is there some kind of solution in cloudflare that allows me to redirect to another URL?

nova plume
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idk ive never done anything to do with networking

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lol

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the most ive done is get a static ip working

waxen panther
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yes osakr

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google it, page rules

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if you have too many you have to pay though

potent fossil
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yea, pagerules

short yarrow
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How do you guys find typos in your code? If I don't have someone review my code I most likely won't notice them. And whenever I look at my own diff I just skim over it

potent fossil
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i don't

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i rely on people to look at my code and file an issue at some later point, or i stumble upon it entirely by accident

short yarrow
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Yeah that seems to be how it goes. Sadge 😦

left swift
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Hi simple

modest path
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at least in the scope of typos for things like strings and whatever - if you mistype a field your IDE will most definitely let you know

potent fossil
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if the typo is in a comment, which is what i assumed, then it doesnt matter. if it's in the code, that's a syntax error, which is something different in this context entirely

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those can be found easily

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god im literally gonna fail this physics quiz today

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:)))))))))))

left swift
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I believe in u

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U got this

pastel pivot
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what's the topic?

modest path
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good luck simple

olive marlin
# potent fossil those can be found easily

doubt
All of my company deployment and test code for a long time used dpkd instead of dpdk - folder names in a few places, variable names etc. You just autocomplete this shit and never notice.

viral hornet
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:o

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@waxen panther notable finally

modest path
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where'd his table go >:0

waxen panther
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threw it away

swift root
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do you have a clip of your de-tabling

peak ginkgo
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wait what about dejay

twin lagoon
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dejay pepelove

left swift
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Dejay tables are harder to move

left swift
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Cant even ping you anymore pokiSad

viral hornet
peak ginkgo
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"veks friend"

viral hornet
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OHH

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Yeah DeJay doesn't have a table, where's his role

waxen panther
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who is vek

peak ginkgo
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mutual friend ;p

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you don't share a server with him so idk how to make that reference

left swift
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You wouldn't know him he goes to a different school

peak ginkgo
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he goes to a different discord

spare venture
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imagine having any furniture at all

meager tusk
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Ok

potent fossil
olive marlin
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It was also a typo in variable name etc. And throughout a few different codebases, it made it's way over unnoticed.

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But yeah - just like when you create interface with wrong function name, and then keep overriding it automatically so you never notice the typo.

spare venture
worn ember
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epic gamer moment

visual egret
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or is it?

worn ember
visual egret
worn ember
peak ginkgo
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lol the enginehub discord bot's join message from late 2019

brave radish
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Are there any reasons timings' config section would differ from the file?

worn ember
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i think its hilarious if you get angry for being pinged

cunning raft
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i think its childish if you keep doing it specifically after you're told not to

brave radish
brave radish
worn ember
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yes blaze

wraith trail
brave radish
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well it also shows no plugins so unless they remove themselves lol

void void
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anyone know of any VPNs that allow you to port forward with?

worn ember
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thats not really how that works

void void
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cuz my ISP has a CGNat and charges 10$ extra a month for a static ip

worn ember
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You'd basically have to own the vpn server to be able to do that

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which at that point you might aswel just buy a hosting service

void void
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thats not what i heard

worn ember
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i mean, do you pay for a vpn?

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no way you can do it on a free one

potent fossil
worn ember
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looks like private vpn can do it too

void void
potent fossil
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you can do like 3 port forwards or something w/o any extra payment, besides paying for service itself

void void
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i only need 1 static ip

worn ember
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but you're paying for vpn anyway lol so why not just get a cheap ass shared host

potent fossil
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well the way air works is they give you a port, and then you can use any of their server IPs

void void
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oh ya i meant i free one, my bad i shoulda said that

potent fossil
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or rather, it'll auto port forward to whatever server you are currently on

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yeah not gonna happen

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run it yourself is the only way, and you'll need to pay for a vps anyway

void void
warm anchor
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It will honestly be cheaper for you to rent a shared host

worn ember
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if its just for friends you can use hamachi or whatever it is these days

void void
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im running the server on my own pc and want some friends to join

worn ember
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but other than that you're out of luck

potent fossil
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buy a vps and literally run your own vpn server would be the only way, but at that point you should just pay for a vps to run your server lol

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you're not going to find a free vpn that gives you a free static ip

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simply not going to happen

warm anchor
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Stuff cost money.

void void
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rip

warm anchor
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Just pool money with all your friends

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$5 a month and get $60 you can get a cheap dedi no joke

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That’s just 12 friends

worn ember
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a shared host is like $3 a month if you go full cheapscate

void void
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at that point i would just pay the 10 a month for my isp to give me a static ip lmao

potent fossil
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then do it

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or use hamachi if it's just for friends

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that IS free...

worn ember
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also a PITA but better than nothing

warm anchor
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$10 for a static up but you still have to do all the port forwarding and pay electricity bill and run risk of your home network being compromised

void void
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use aternos but you won't be able to load custom plugins and im not sure about stability. But it's 100% free

brave radish
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all you need is a static? have you actually paid attention to your IP? some times they don't really change. DDNS?

void void
warm anchor
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He’s behind CGNat @brave radish

void void
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the stability is ass

worn ember
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minehut pepe_run

warm anchor
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They are both equally shit

void void
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all of them are shit lol ||free mc server host||

warm anchor
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Pool money is better tbh you also gain basic Linux admin experience 🤷‍♂️

worn ember
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you get what you pay for

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so nothing

void void
worn ember
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thats OSS

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they dont build a company around making money lol

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not the same thing

void void
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lmao

potent fossil
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i mean yeah, that's a different thing altogether

worn ember
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there's a few gems in the rubble but they're far between

potent fossil
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(although if they did charge for support i would not blame em PepeLa some y'all are real gems and the fact they do it for free is admirable)

void void
worn ember
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paper tech support

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read again

potent fossil
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no, i said IF they did, I would not blame them

void void
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oh

brave radish
worn ember
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tbh having an "optimization" service would probably pay good $$

void void
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i need glasses

worn ember
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better start paying jojo or we gonna boot you

void void
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im broke

golden gust
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I mean, I considered doing paid optimization

worn ember
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👢

void void
golden gust
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and then I realised that most of the people who'd ask for that are the people who've posted timing reports 50 times WITH SKRIPT, and expect a flat rate

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fuuuuck that

warm anchor
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That’s why getting paid is bad

worn ember
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and 1.8 for the ultimate pvp experience

warm anchor
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You get kid who don’t get concept of pay per ticket

brave radish
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ppl make good money following .optimize for other people

warm anchor
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They though paying you $10 means lifetime support

worn ember
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they think installing your plugin for free means lifetime support

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"how to do x"
"did you read the wiki?"
"theres a wiki?"

warm anchor
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Ded you can pay me and I will install your rtp plugin

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No joke WinkS

worn ember
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ok how much

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i'm buying all rtp market share

golden gust
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implying .optimize is anything better than a training bra

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smh

worn ember
golden gust
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I had no better attempts at comedy there, I just started braining today

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But, like, damn

brave radish
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"I followed .optimize; why server no 500 TPS"

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is running on original pentium

golden gust
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The number of people who follow that guide, run around screaming that they optimized their server, meanwhile they're running on some pentium 4 era CPU, running plugins which clearly show they're taking 1-3/5ths of the tick

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and, it's like... sometimes I feel that I gotta start sniping more people with the moronity rule...

warm anchor
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What drive me crazy is the lack of basic knowledge of how computer works

golden gust
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I remember the days when running a server required some basic common sense

worn ember
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its astonishing really

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like idk much about hardware and shit but cmon bruh

golden gust
#

Now theres an entire community practically ready to wipe your ass for the "feel good" of pretending you're useful

warm anchor
#

Everything is made easier and automatic

golden gust
#

and, like, I get it, helping people is nice, but, lowing the bar for entry has definitely shown

brave radish
#

this is how people get mad at paper ^^

#

not that you're wrong....

golden gust
#

There was some guy "this morning" who couldn't even find their routers config page

#

and, it's just...

brave radish
#

I feel every time someone posts just "server lag; help" and no one responds they think paper has no support whatsoever

golden gust
#

like, for me, am kinda done with reading timings

#

Like, i'll help here and there, but, day to day, it's the exact same 3 responses

#
  1. reduce entities 2) toaster hardware 3) X plugin is taking the entire fucking tick
brave radish
#

mainly 2 :(

waxen panther
ancient bolt
#

Timings are a tool for your own personal use imo, asking someone to spend the time and energy to dive in and figure out what's going on is shitty. Learn how to read it on your own is my opinion

golden gust
#

casual xeon for 2011 which wasn't even great on release

#

Like, I get it, sometimes looking at this crap you can get stuck, but, there comes a point where you're just not even trying

brave radish
ancient bolt
#

trying to decide on whether or not I should format this code like this

case Opcodes.LDC: case Opcodes.GETSTATIC:
case Opcodes.ICONST_0: case Opcodes.ICONST_1: case Opcodes.ICONST_2:
case Opcodes.ICONST_3: case Opcodes.ICONST_4: case Opcodes.ICONST_5:
case Opcodes.LCONST_0: case Opcodes.LCONST_1: case Opcodes.FCONST_0:
case Opcodes.FCONST_1: case Opcodes.FCONST_2: case Opcodes.DCONST_0:
case Opcodes.DCONST_1:
golden gust
brave radish
#

and also the typical response to "lag" is "post timings," not "take timings and learn to read them"

worn ember
#

you shoult figure that out yourself demon zoop gottem

golden gust
#

See, I hate code formatting convetions at times

#

Coz, that looks horrible to me

ancient bolt
#

I don't know of a single formatting convention that would say to do this lmao

golden gust
#

But, then I look at hooooow long it would be otherwise, and it's just starts ripping hair out

#

Like, I looove my hspace

ancient bolt
#

pretty sure this would be considered bad in all of them, but yeah it's a lot of case expressions otherwise

golden gust
#

Part of why I hate fucking K&R

#

pretty sure it was K&R

#

But, 80 cols, no allowed to go over a single character!

ancient bolt
#

if I could just fucking do something like case LDC, GETSTATIC, ICONST_0, ... I'd be happy

#

but nooo

#

gotta have a case on every one just in case you forget you're in a switch block

golden gust
#

GOTTA PROTECT THE STUPID!

worn ember
#

that goes for every lang really xD

golden gust
#

I do like that Java seems to be getting stuff from other languages

worn ember
#

at least any i've used

golden gust
#

I do hope that we end up getting when at some point

ancient bolt
#

kotlin, rust, swift, uh maybe even go can all do that?

#

maybe not go

#

can't remember

brave radish
worn ember
#

oof guess i havent used that many then xD

golden gust
#

I mean, it's tryna find the balance between readability and like, not being scala

ancient bolt
#

you could do it with C++ templates because you can do anything in C++ with enough templates think_smart

golden gust
#

Issue is that languages these days tend to eer on moronic levels of minimsation or "the programmer is a moron so we gotta put on our hard hats!"

ancient bolt
#

do you want me to get out my go quote again

#

cause I will

golden gust
#

😄

brave radish
void void
golden gust
#

looks fine here

void void
#

didn't know ms had a jdk distro

golden gust
#

soooo

#

how long until they ditch their JVM and just create a new language?

brave radish
#

(for 16 at least)

golden gust
#

I think that they've had their own JVM internally for a goood while

#

Just, releasing it seems to be pretty new

modest path
golden gust
#

that was the joke, yea ;P

#

think it was c# which they did that with

worn ember
#

WASM

brave radish
#

face it; .NET is a language of its own

modest path
#

C# is kinda stinky

worn ember
#

i kinda like it

#

sometimes

golden gust
#

Yea,but, it has all the frameworking there

#

Like, that's the horror is that in terms of cross platform UIs, unless you wanna go QT, you're generally SOL and maintaining different UIs per OS so you can take advantage of their native UI, or just throw it in chrome

worn ember
#

i just wished they wouldnt have 50 different frameworks for once

brave radish
#

I love java and c# is the closet I can get to native java (I mean there's Kotlin but like it's only half done for outside of the JVM)

#

graal's native-image is pretty cool though

golden gust
#

Issue is that they're all limited in their own special ways

#

Like, graal looks interesting, but, can only flatpack stuff basically

#

java now has jmods but the entire ecosystem is still catching up for it to be able to just pack a jar into some thing

#

kotlin native is interesting, but, still somewhat of a shadow in terms of framework coverage

#

Like, there is a UI library but it's 3rd party and no idea what the plans are for a native one

#

C# is great if you're stuck in windows land or just wanna use a minimal framework for hosting stuff, but, cross platform seemed like a giant joke last I saw

#

like, C# has mono, but, well, it's mono...

brave radish
#

Kotlin's multiplatform is appealing

#

(it'd be more appealing if not in alpha)

golden gust
#

it's defo getting there

#

it's just got a whole lot to catch up on

worn ember
#

.net core is cross platform

golden gust
#

Yea, but no UI framework, so super limited in what it can do

worn ember
#

yeah true

golden gust
#

there are 3rd party UI frameworks but last I saw they where pretty abysmal

worn ember
#

well xamarin is cross platform for mobile

golden gust
#

There is just very little interest in it bar the C# fan boys from what I can see

worn ember
#

i mean if you really want cross platform you just go java or a native lang

brave radish
#

I think the whole "write once, run anywhere" philosophy of java is kinda out the window now. By the time you have to bundle as an exe, deb, and app anyway, plus you have to have native libraries, you may as well "write once, compile for anywhere"

worn ember
#

so yeah ur right there

golden gust
#

I mean, WOL works for java given that the tooling exists

#

It's just the packaging of it is shit

#

Like, they're finally getting there with it

#

But, I mean, the expectation was that everybody would just install a jvm on their machines and we'd call it a day

#

but, java just ain't as needed all these days for most people

#

if I wasn't a java dev, I really doubt that I'd have a local java install

worn ember
#

^^

brave radish
#

I would, but only for Minecraft, which has a bundled one, so yeah

#

(I still actually play the game too lol)

#

some times

worn ember
#

only reason i know java is cuz of minecraft tbh

#

i havent had much use for anything else

brave radish
#

same, though "knowing" is relative in my case

worn ember
#

i wanna move to some more "interesting" langs

golden gust
#

I tried playing it last year, I got a day or two in but just kinda tanked out, got distracted, fired up the game again, forgot what I was in the mid of and just started again, figured I couldn't be assed to start again so closed it

worn ember
#

lol

golden gust
#

java, kotlin, PHP, C#, VB, those are the languages am familiar with enough in that order

#

I can get by with stuff like JS but it's defo not a language I see myself working in often

brave radish
#

I forgot PHP

worn ember
#

i havent used php in years

#

used to be my go to web lang lol

golden gust
#

I mean, it pretty much is my goto lang for web stuff

brave radish
#

not really sure why I stopped using it

worn ember
#

js is ok but i feel i need to relearn it every time i touch it

golden gust
#

I do wanna get going with spring, however, as that stuff looks interesting

unkempt drift
#

spring is nice.

golden gust
#

node is just, I can use it, but, it feels like a clusterfuck to learn

#

I've used spring a lot for web APIs

worn ember
#

i still got a spring boot exam in august

golden gust
#

and i really love working with spring, generally

brave radish
#

Node has nice frameworks

golden gust
#

I really wanna get a good spring book and that netty in action book

#

and yea, node looks to have nice frameworks it's just unless you're a full time node dev, it feels like if you take a year out you gotta learn the new UI framework of the season

brave radish
#

.g javascript developer drinking game

limber knotBOT
worn ember
#

god thats why i hate webdev

#

it moves so fucking fast

#

blink your eyes and theres 3 new frameworks

brave radish
#

.g we're gonna build a framework !yt

limber knotBOT
golden gust
#

he's gonna run out of frameworks to say eventually

brave radish
#

nah; we have 7.9 billion people on the planet; they make them faster then he can sing

worn ember
#

half dont have internet tho

golden gust
#

They'll find a way.

#

Even if it's paintings in a cave, they'll do it.

worn ember
#

pass around the floppy disk with js frameworks

golden gust
#

a js framework which can fit on a floppy

#

KEK

brave radish
worn ember
#

ah yes

brave radish
#

Deprecation notice: due to complications in personal life, the classifications of pigeons as an endangered species, and the end of support for Adobe Flash Player, development on Pigeon.JS will cease immediately. There is a fork surviving, however, Sparrow.JS, which users should migrate to immediately

storm lintel
#

anybody know some good server names ? with MC, Craft or anything that sounds good/cool

#

asking for a friend lol

brave radish
#

is it survival, creative, public, private, anarchy, what?

unkempt drift
#

2b2t is a good name I guess

storm lintel
#

he’s starting out with towny and planning to open factions, survival, creative, and anarchy type gamemode?

brave radish
#

is there anything that makes this server special?

storm lintel
#

not really, he’s still planning everything out and trying to implement things other servers don’t have

brave radish
#

well then I've got nothing to work with lol; I'd say design the server first and then try to come up with a fitting name

formal turret
#

make it his name

brave radish
#

is there any sane way to put an already-running process into tmux? I mean I don't think so but making sure

formal turret
#

and then... mc or realms ez

ancient bolt
#

MinecraftMC

formal turret
#

MinecraftMCRealms

unkempt drift
#

personally... just go with PartyRealms, pretty unique

brave radish
#

lol

golden gust
#

cleansest option is to get a time machine and run it in tmux from the start

#

There are apparently ways to do it but last I recall they looked scary and just "nope"

ancient bolt
#

I've tried them, had varying luck

#

depends on your environment whether it will work with any degree of workness

#

in practice the answer is no

brave radish
#

sulu where pfp?

wraith trail
#

gone for the moment

#

until I find another image that I feel like putting there

modest path
#

For a discord bot about conversing with people is it even worth it to keep track of open conversations in a SQL table or just log the conversation contents and key by channel id?

cunning raft
#

huh

#

why would you need to store the message content?

modest path
#

Tracking purposes

#

If you want to keep track of what's been said in the conversation

#

the purpose of what i'm doing is expanding on my bot's !Ban command, in that instead of instantly banning the person it instead sends them into a sort of limbo where the staff ask questions and the person fights for their right to not get perm'd

#

basically to a. prevent staff abuse and b. make it so that i have a record of exactly why a player was banned

cunning raft
#

oh then its up to you

waxen panther
#

hi jroy 😁

cunning raft
#

if you want to access the data automatically at another time use sql

#

otherwise log

#

@waxen panther sleep

waxen panther
#

i had a nap

#

going back to my usual sleep schedule now

brave radish
#

got it: time to find a way to shift all the lag to Minecraft::Packet - nms.PacketPlayInArmAnimation with all vanilla clients...

golden gust
#

The trick is to use a packet spammer so that you have like 200k pps or something

#

I've seen that one a good few times

#

and it's ALWAYS the same follow up, "do you mean somebody is hacking?!"

#

And it's like, no, 200k PPS is normal for interaction packets...

true canyon
#

Yeah, they're just a 1.8 combat player so they're really good at clicking

golden gust
#

lol

ancient bolt
#

pro SC2 player accidentally opened MC

worn ember
#

Hate when that happens

ancient bolt
#

oh fuck did I actually do this

#

I think I have constructor<->[super(), this()] parameter index matching working

# 
public ChildClass(long first, long second) {
    super(first, second);
}

recognizes that this[1] is passed to super[1] and this[3] is passed to super[3]

and

public ChildClass(int first, int second, long o) {
    super(first, OOPS, second);
}

recognizes that this[1] is passed to super[1] and this[2] is passed to super[3]

and

public ChildClass(int first, int second, String third) {
    super(first, third, second);
}

recognizes that this[1] is passed to super[1] and this[3] is passed to super[2] and this[2] is passed to super[3]

potent fossil
#

but good work

magic river
#

Not sure if memes or not at this point

untold copper
#

lmao

proud lance
#

cat smells

#

nice

tepid fulcrum
#

the server is usually offline when i wawke up

#

but i just woke up, and the server is still up

#

it workssss

#

tysmm

vernal moth
#

Inb4 spacex launches and nails the landing on 4/20

#

Best birthday present, lol

unkempt drift
#

your b-day is 4/20?

#

also, isn't it 20/4 in europe?

#

doesn't really work well there 🙂

ancient bolt
#

MM/dd is still a reasonable date system because it's simply omitting the implied 2021/MM/dd

novel horizon
#

Here in mid of Europe we often (well, i do for sure) use dd/mm/year 🤷‍♂️

vernal moth
#

Yes MM, sadly I am still exposed to american formats so I know it's 4/20 ^^

ancient bolt
#

That's just as bad as mm/dd/yyyy because it's just as sortable

vernal moth
#

We use 20.04.1997 here

quasi valley
ancient bolt
#

For humans reading any format works, just depends on what the said human is used to

olive marlin
#

I thought Mini was older, not (a few months) younger than me.

ancient bolt
#

I'm the old fool here

unkempt drift
#

4/20/2021 works because you say, April 20th 2021

#

So it’s written the same way you would say it out loud

#

You can also say, the 20th of April 2021, but that is much less common

next frost
#

we say 20. April 2021 here

unkempt drift
#

You actually say that?
“Oh hey, what day is the game?”
“It’s on 20 April”

quasi valley
#

the very literal translation would be "20th April"

#

language™️

unkempt drift
#

Ok, idk of that counts. Most literal translations don’t convey true meaning. Like French has adjectives after nouns sometimes.

next frost
#

yeah the dot is similar to n-th basically

unkempt drift
#

But it makes sense in English because we say April 20th aka 4/20

quasi valley
#

yeah

#

I wouldnt really care if it didnt exactly match the spoken format, I just want it to be the same everywhere irritatered

#

but to not make everyone even more confused, you'd have to use yyyy/mm/dd to obviously differ to what most people use, but if you cut that down to mm/dd you're back at the problem again

#

time to just invent a new date format

next frost
#

people just need to use iso 8601 smh

quasi valley
#

that's sane at least

#

which country is that?

golden gust
#

UK dd/mm/yy is the norm

topaz mortar
#

Are you talking again about Hitlers birthday? Or is it just the fact that Mini's birthday is on the same day?

ashen cliff
#

Yes.

golden gust
#

wait

#

Mini'd bday is on weed day?

nova plume
#

yh he said

#

yesterday

vernal moth
nova plume
#

haha yes all the americans are sleeping

#

apart from the ones with fucked sleep schedules

next frost
#

year month day makes it easy to sort by date

golden gust
#

Yea, I generally just follow that format, easier for file layout and it's like, you can't fuck up reading it, so, i just use it coz it's more suited internationally

quasi valley
olive marlin
#

It also started to reset your watch speed some time ago.

#

It's annoying when watching at 2.3X, you click an url and suddenly they are talking at 1X snail speed lol

golden gust
#

it's crazy how the brain adopts that that

quasi valley
#

it's impossible for me to watch some of the lecture videos at normal speed ahahaha

#

except for that one person that already speaks at 200% speed as is

olive marlin
#

Many things feel like a waste or time if they are not sped up, or just voice starts to put me to sleep.

vernal moth
#

I settled on 1.75x speed

olive marlin
#

Though I do feel noticeably more tired after watching stuff faster.

quasi valley
#

I watch them at 1.5-1.75, tho "normal" videos I watch at normal speed

vernal moth
#

Honestly tho, I need to find out if that has an impact on concentration

#

I think my brain has to work harder

#

But i am not sure

#

I watch normal vids on that speed too, unless it has music

olive marlin
#

I feel my brain working harder, it's especially noticeable after watching stuff for a bit - feel a lot more tired because of the flood of information.

#

Though it got to the point, that I sometimes feel like some movies are "too slow" for me, and I'm a monster watching them at 1.1, sometimes 1.2 times the speed.

golden gust
#

sometimes we just call those shit movies

olive garden
#

or don't be sober 😉

vernal moth
#

Well, the idea would be that the brain adapts

#

Like, I have been doing that for years

golden gust
#

wel, yea, but ur a poopface

quasi valley
#

he's lucky he's not a rug tho

olive marlin
vernal moth
#

.cat

limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
#

Amazing. I love that we finally killed Python 2.7. Now I only have to try and run the script with 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9 and 3.10.
kekwhyper

novel horizon
#

.cat

limber knotBOT
novel horizon
#

🤔 hmm

#

.dog

#

.literallyanythingelse

#

shame

#

.hamster

#

.aiakr

#

.aikar

#

.paper

golden gust
#

.mini

novel horizon
#

😦

lean kiln
#

.cat

limber knotBOT
golden gust
#

.mini

azure rivet
#

.paperchan

limber knotBOT
#

(Korobi) xkcd: Ballmer Peak (1 October 2007)

golden gust
#

aha, there it is

#

I was worried for a sec there

olive marlin
#

Me too.

golden gust
#

.commands

novel horizon
#

🤔 interesting graph

lean kiln
#

.help

golden gust
#

thought we had an alias for that, it's on the korobi site

olive marlin
#

.boom

limber knotBOT
#

💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣

novel horizon
#

path of exile new league soon ❤️

azure rivet
#

.lol

olive marlin
novel horizon
#

that bomb doesnt look like bomb at all lol

azure rivet
#

.whydoesntpaperhavenmssmh

novel horizon
#

the color is kinda similar to background

olive marlin
#

.catlove what is this?

limber knotBOT
novel horizon
#

anyone here plays path of exile?

#

kinda nice game

olive marlin
#

I played it quite a few years ago, got confused by it a little and quit.

novel horizon
#

quite a few commands there ^^

nova plume
#

.english

limber knotBOT
#

sucks

azure rivet
#

.is1.13readyyet

limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
#

What do you mean linking gems? I was just using heavy strike.

azure rivet
#

.1.14.1

limber knotBOT
novel horizon
#

lol

azure rivet
#

.5hr

olive marlin
#

.5hr @azure rivet

azure rivet
#

.5hr @azure rivet

nova plume
#

.kashike

novel horizon
#

someone asking in PANEL_HELP for Pterodactyl about error "that hasn't happened before in paper but now in tuinity it does"

#

sure pterodactyl will help u ^^

azure rivet
#

.bh

limber knotBOT
#

is getting out the ban hammer! ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ Ò╭╮Ó

nova plume
#

.minecraft

limber knotBOT
azure rivet
#

.bukkit

nova plume
#

:0

limber knotBOT
#

wooooo \o/

golden gust
#

sigh

quasi valley
#

this is not #botspamAlienPls3

golden gust
#

All the commands are on the page, no need to spam them

lean kiln
#

.kenny

limber knotBOT
quasi valley
#

now THAT was too far smolFite

azure rivet
#

.dontask

limber knotBOT
novel horizon
#

ew

azure rivet
#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

azure rivet
#

frick

quasi valley
#

@azure rivet you can stop now

golden gust
#

next one is a kick.

azure rivet
#

ok

novel horizon
#

🤔

ashen cliff
#

.stayinyourlanetweet

limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
#

Oh. It's limited now.

#

Sad.

quasi valley
#

there's also privated videos in some commands :<

#

like the eula command

olive marlin
ashen cliff
#

Good thing we archive everything here. Especially 1.8 stuff.

golden gust
#

i got no idea how to add aliases

quasi valley
#

typical cat

olive marlin
#

Give me mod on IRC and I can try

#

Cat it's .addalias <command> <alias1> [alias2 ...]

limber knotBOT
#

.addalias

#

.addclias list commands

#

.addalias list commands

#

.commands

novel horizon
#

so i just connected to this random server that someone mentioned

#

and

#

i gotta say

#

i hate those

golden gust
#

You're not using paper

rotund terrace
#

k

golden gust
#

Go ask your fork for support

novel horizon
#

some music immediately on the server and also im appearing in middle of ocean damn

#

lol i never saw that in tablist "Stability: 100%" 😄

rotund terrace
#

Its based on tps.

#

20 tps = 100%

#

etc.

golden gust
#

IS STABLE I PROMIS

novel horizon
#

Yeah, of course

golden gust
#

TPS is a useless performance metric

novel horizon
#

Not completely useless

wooden ridge
#

io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelsAnnotatedConnectException: Connection refused no further information.

golden gust
#

Okay, it's useful, but, highly flawed

olive marlin
#

It's useless compared to other available metrics.

wooden ridge
#

Anyone know what thise error is

golden gust
#

connection refused

#

either something wasn't listening on the port, firewall, or ISP blocks traffic

novel horizon
#

Firewall badly set, bad address used etc ^^

wooden ridge
#

I see

#

Hm okey

novel horizon
#

damn server full

#

wth also

#

how can u have 83 players with only 360 tile entities and 800 entities

#

O_o

#

ew

#

damn stability only 70% 😦

unknown.png
#

i kinda like how it overlays

#

the info in the tab

quasi valley
#

"stability"

#

k

untold copper
#

"stability"

#

"minecraft"

novel horizon
#

damn if u use /lobby it wants login again

#

yeah stability 👍

golden gust
#

it still ticks

#

I call that 100% stable

novel horizon
#

Yeah, that's true

#

also imagine not letting people see help for commands 😦

golden gust
#

I have this stupid idea

novel horizon
#

oh i like that

golden gust
#

Like, and I really wanna do it, but, work, and, potentially get me into trouble

#

So, I can't really say what it is, but, basically

novel horizon
#

their survival is full let me connect 😠

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just set more slots 😠

golden gust
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Like, you ever come up with an idea that would be helpful for your rando person but as deceptively useful for other stuff

novel horizon
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oh pog im on it

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i just spammed right click on some npc that connects u ^^

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Not that often, definitely not, Cat

ashen cliff
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Thank you Oskar for the instant life updates.

novel horizon
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damn i can't even use /list or /help 😦

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oh my god

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it has some kind of lightning sound whenever someone dies falling out of the world or so

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damn thats annoying lol

visual egret
ashen cliff
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We have 2 of you now.

novel horizon
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ok

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not only that chat but someone asks "can i be someones slave pls"

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quasi valley
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I dont think anyone here cares about what that random server you joined does BoneZone

novel horizon
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i dont think anyone cares about anything 🤷‍♂️

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its not that u care

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its just interesting and weird ^^

olive marlin
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@ashen cliff AuthMe is more cursed than I thought. Why the hell does it shade org.sun/org.jboss and more without relocation?

ashen cliff
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Because its a 9 year old plugin and one one cared back then.

olive marlin
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You relocate some crap, but not everything. That's why I need automatic shading and relocation in my gradle lol

ashen cliff
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Don't worry, you can always just commit a fix.

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Since no one PRs to AuthMe anymore and just steal the bad code and rebadge it for premium plugins.

olive marlin
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I don't want to touch Maven with a meter long stick.

granite axle
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whats wrong with maven >:(

stray oyster
nova plume
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i prefer gradle because of kotlin build scripts, but occassionally i use maven

olive marlin
cedar spade
nova plume
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if xml removed "<" and ">" it would be so much better

olive marlin
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XML is way more complex than what maven uses.

nova plume
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its such a pain typing them

ashen cliff
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If we removed the brain and heart from people they would also be much better.

olive marlin
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It's meant for something else.

nova plume
limber knotBOT
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< and > are pretty important characters in XML

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Otherwise it would be a pain to read as it would be just indented lines of strings

olive marlin
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For me XML and JSON are meant for passing data between programs, not for humans to edit them.

quasi valley
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nah just write scopeprovided/scope and let it interpret it that way /s

nova plume
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who even made the greater than and less than symbols smh

nova plume
quasi valley
nova plume
olive garden
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just make the line number determine what you are specifying, eg:
line 1: project name
line 2: group id
line 3: artifact id
line 4: packaging, or empty for default
etc

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no useless characters

nova plume
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yeah

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or have maven use yaml

olive marlin
nova plume
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pom.yml sounds way better than pom.xml

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wait thats a thing

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maven w/ kotlin here i come

olive marlin
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Maven in ruby kekwhyper

cedar spade
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imagine not just writing ant buildscripts in kotlin

olive marlin
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You can even translate it from any lang to any other lol

nova plume
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yh

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cant translate to kotlin tho

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mini they cleaned u up

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golden gust
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Just watching LTT touring their place, and like, they're talking about replacing their lathe and mill

nova plume
upbeat falconBOT
quasi valley
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not really, no pepela

nova plume
olive marlin
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I'd probably "prettify" it myself for many of those dicts. But I like it better anyway.

wraith trail
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But cool I guess

void void
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yo what happened to pfp?

nova plume
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kermit died

void void
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rlly 😦

worn ember
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kermit doesnt die, he's immortal

golden gust
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what is it?!

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blood

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maybe it's... Chris's!

nova plume
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ded dont lie to me

golden gust
nova plume
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lmfao

golden gust
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I lasted a minute, but, still

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classics

warm anchor
worn ember
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we always knew cat wouldn't last long

nova plume
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i was gonna say something but thought not to

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ah yes, retrooper strikes back

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limber knotBOT
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!pinned

nova plume
autumn glen
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Anyone know any simple economy plugin with commands like /money /givemoney etc.?

I dont want to use essentialsx for this because of all the other things it has

mossy vessel
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Essentials

autumn glen
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Well, I dont want to use that either, essentials or essentialsx.. aren't they the same iirc?

mossy vessel
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No

autumn glen
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Ohkay, well neither of those, is there any other one, that is just purely for money commands?

warm anchor
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Just give them diamonds

autumn glen
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Lol, I wish.

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For some reason I really cant find any plugin for that -_-

warm anchor
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Pretty sure most people just use essx

golden gust
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some rando fork of craftconomy

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eco plugins are not something people generally care to maintain and most devs making them really shouldn't be so it seems

visual egret
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if you need an economy, you need a developer

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pretty much the best way to say it

worn ember
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ah yes oskar logic

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you need a dev for every plugin oskar

visual egret
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well no

tribal flicker
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i need essentials re-write wym 😔

ashen cliff
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I need Essentials force auto update.

tribal flicker
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i need world edit re-write i don't like how the text is pink

cunning raft
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do they not have translations where you can change it?

visual egret
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ded, economy pretty much has to be unique for each server lol

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name a big server that has a copy paste economy

cunning raft
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plenty

tribal flicker
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They may do actually, not sure

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every faction server to exist? hello

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/kit spawners 😫

visual egret
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any server that survives more than a year

tribal flicker
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mm there we go haha

cunning raft
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most big prison/factions servers just use craftconomy/essx