That about sums up how I remember someone, their profile picture
#general
restive saffron
quasi valley
old people mode
waxen panther
ugly mode ammirite
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broccolai 😔
waxen panther
proximyst 😔
cunning raft
people with no avatar and no role should be banned from paper
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spare venture
holy shit his death is such a tragic story
waxen panther
spare venture
poor guy
restive saffron
people with no avatar and no role should be banned from paper
Controversial statement!
waxen panther
true statement
restive saffron
Perhaps
cunning raft
fine I'll revise
everyone on this server with no pfp and no role who talks in #general should be banned
restive saffron
I agree with this statement
restive saffron
I can finally back this
waxen panther
restive saffron
Alright thank you everyone in chat who have actively contributed to paper, I will now be going back to simple life
spare venture
agree jroy should be banned
cunning raft
u too
spare venture
no u
minor badge
party has spoken
wide chasm
99 messages in politics
Was fun knowing you all, goodbye!
restive saffron
People who don’t have a table should get banned and I agree
minor badge
?ban @cunning raft good bye !
spare venture
oh no!!!
cunning raft
stealing cats tricks
waxen panther
ban the notables ! give admin to broccolai !
cunning raft
feelsweirdman
olive garden
thank god jroy finally banned
wide chasm
The day that trick stops working, will be a great day
limber knotBOT
just ban pineapple pizza. thanks
restive saffron
Jroy got squad wiped
spare venture
did you guys hear that i'm famous on tiktok now
wide chasm
Yes
spare venture
so please start treating me like a celebrity, thx
limber knotBOT
runs
wide chasm
bows
waxen panther
yeah you only mention it literally everytime you talk here
spare venture
gotta cash in on it now before it's too late
wide chasm
You're so popular now, we should take your table
waxen panther
yes, the 7 year olds and their wealth of cash will make you a big world wide star
wide chasm
"Look mom, that's party"
spare venture
looks at his $0/mo server store ....yeah
restive saffron
so please start treating me like a celebrity, thx
Famous with your content just being on a endless scroll wheel?!?
spare venture
not everything is about money broc!
waxen panther
fame is money ~!
restive saffron
Tiktok followers don’t even compare to YouTube subscribers bro
olive garden
Can I work for you party? Just please pay me in exposure!
spare venture
no only ded is allowed to work for me for exposure
waxen panther
please retweet me omg ogmgomgomgmggmg
olive garden
😢 my life is ruined
sharp sentinel
Working for someone for exposure but it turns out to be UV exposure
spare venture
honestly i just do all the dev stuff myself on my server these days
pretty nice since i'm losing money constantly
spare venture
one less expense
untold copper
did you guys hear that i'm famous on tiktok now
did you post yourself doing some fortnite emote or something 
restive saffron
I wish I could develop on java, but c++ tho 🧐
spare venture
yes
spare venture
taking the high road huh
restive saffron
Well, as someone who uses tiktok... it’s like content stolen from Twitter, Reddit, etc and it’s got some of the best entertainment.
untold copper
interesting
restive saffron
But being a tiktok creator uhm, that’s all you
untold copper
now that i have my own phone i might try tiktok 
restive saffron
Do what you must, sometimes it feels like CNN when it’s just pure entertainment
wind jasper
can anyone tell me what wrong with my skript plugin
cunning raft
skript plugin
spare venture
the legendary skript developer is here to help
wind jasper
on rightclick with compass:
if player isn't op:
send "&cYou can't do this"
stop
open virtual chest inventory with size 3 named "&4KnechtensohnServa" to player
format gui slot 10 of player with feather named "Herausforderung" with lore "Öffne die Challenges" to run:
set Players gamemode to Survival
format gui slot 12 of player with Firework Rocket named "Survival Server" with lore "Betritt den KnechtenSMP" to run:
mtvp Knechtensohn SMP
format gui slot 14 of player with Gold Nugget named "Challenge Welt" with lore "Erstelle eine Random-Welt" to run:
mv create ChallengeWorld normal
format gui slot 16 of player with Compass named "Lobby" with lore "Gehe Zurück zur Lobby" to run:
mtvp Knechtenohn map
spare venture
his name is jroy
cunning raft
go to a skript discord
waxen panther
did you know that jroy wrote over 120% of the skript code base
wind jasper
lol i am but no one answered
waxen panther
😸
spare venture
cunning raft
no one answered within 5 seconds != no one answered
wind jasper
did you know that jroy wrote over 120% of the skript code base
not bad
spare venture
jroy is one of the best skript developers out there
waxen panther
thank you doge .
wind jasper
i asked 1hr ago xd
spare venture
his exciting resume has led him to creating essentialsx in skript
cunning raft
ask in skunity
spare venture
paid ofc
waxen panther
if you google "skunity" and click the first result you'll see a nice big discord button
spare venture
paper hard fork should intentionally made skript incompatible somehow
actually
why isn't skript the default language of paper
cunning raft
skript is fine, the people who use it for anything other than quick hacks are uhhh
spare venture
yea
writing a quick skript for something very small, similar to a command block, is fine. but i've seen people build entire servers off of skript
tepid turtle
I've seen skript plugins
cunning raft
yeah uhhh can't say that's a good idea in skript's current state
waxen panther
hey guys welcome to my Skript Kernel, Core, Anti-Cheat Prison Minecraft Server package.
restive saffron
</google:816176849147002923> term: skript
wind jasper
i mean what i like abt script is that its so easy to use
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Romvnly#5369 - result 1 of 10
spare venture
some guy in one of these discords has like 80% of his server built on skript, and it's laggy as fuck, but refuses to rewrite anything because he's stuck with skript
wind jasper
i dont need to use any weird signs and it tells me who many space bars i need
cunning raft
waxen panther
is that a real sentence?
cunning raft
fake
spare venture
What is Neon AntiCheat? Neon AntiCheat is a TPS friendly AntiCheat built in Skript. It is my Third AntiCheat I've made.
oh god
restive saffron
some guy in one of these discords has like 80% of his server built on skript, an...
Is he at least running papermc
spare venture
no he runs something better
spare venture
no its purpur lol
waxen panther
eyes emoji
cunning raft
Y
ATOPIA
worn ember
Hello, i am here to talk about our lord and savior Raycon. Who is today's sponsor. @cunning raft
spare venture
people really believe anything
worn ember
Yes. People are stupid. What else is new
spare venture
you say that like you're not people
vernal moth
I mean
Honestly
As long as ppl use a paper based software
I don't care
If they wanna subject themself to data loss that's their problem
But we at least have them on our side re hard fork
restive saffron
honestly purpur is <:PES_Cute:493359762243715074>
I shall test out this puppy jar
spare venture
https://bstats.org/global/velocity
what is wrong with these stats
mental meadow
Got my 48 port switch with the broken power supply :D now I just have to find out what's broken ._.
Uwu brocc
spare venture
ah were back to tech, good
vernal moth
https://bstats.org/global/velocity
what is wrong with these stats
It's new
Not many servers send yet
minor badge
just wait till the archon updates their velocity 
spare venture
price: $1,169 https://www.microcenter.com/product/626589/xps-8940-gaming-computer?ob=1&rf=Search+Results
price: $809 https://www.microcenter.com/product/631691/powerspec-g164-gaming-computer
which one is the better deal 
restive saffron
The one that costs less?
mental meadow
So far everything looks fine, no goo-y capacitor or anything, no obviously dead thing
restive saffron
Mirco center seems to go in depth with specs, cool
spare venture
they both come with kbm so I would only need to buy a monitor
I wish GPUs were at MSRP so i would feel less like i'm being ripped off
vernal moth
Do you need to buy rn?
spare venture
my laptop is aging, I'd like to be able to play games better, running intellij/obs/minecraft is a struggle at times even with lithium/phosphor
limber knotBOT
I actually need a new one, I'm still running a 1060 ;_;
spare venture
and currently have plenty of cash to spare
i'd rather not wait until after the summer to see if prices go down at all
olive marlin
Party that's why I bought with quite old graphics card and hoping to replace it in a few months when it (hopefully) goes down in price.
vestal jasper
Aka you got your stimmy and you're ready to spend it :^)
spare venture
nah no stimmy 😔
vestal jasper
Aw
spare venture
new job
limber knotBOT
I mean, even quite old cards at least doubled in price lol
or at least I could sell my 1060 for double of what I bought it lol
spare venture
pretty much i'm going to have a disposable income for the first time ever and I'm ready to spend a little for once
olive marlin
I choose one that didn't, running RX 550 
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I still have that RX570 yaknow, Bloodstone
olive marlin
Oh, I got it for less than 100 usd.
spare venture
damn
olive marlin
Proxi 
spare venture
gtx 1660 super is like $700 rn
olive marlin
Hmm, I'm not sure I need it. But if you don't have anything better to do with it...
limber knotBOT
I personally will wait for what happens with the RTX2060 seeing as nvidia started producing it again
olive marlin
I saw 3090 for almost 4k USD
spare venture
from those two options would you say either are good buys?
spare venture
my damn roommate got a 3080 for msrp
olive marlin
spare venture
lucky bastard
limber knotBOT
That point when germany has more reasonable prices
olive marlin
.wa 15000 PLN to usd
limber knotBOT
funily enough the 3090 tends to be the only card that is still purchasable through online shops...
spare venture
and he sold his old card for the same price
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: $3871.27 (US dollars) (17. March 2021) - https://is.gd/sStq2T
limber knotBOT
ok wow, the 3090 prices actually increased since I last looked... wtf
spare venture
they're gonna keep going up before they go down tbh
limber knotBOT
2.5k-3k€
in a normal shop, not ebay
damn, I should've bought one when they were 1k
These gamers are insane when it comes to their PC builds
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damn that RX goes for 400€, bloodstone lol
spare venture
especially since nvidia said that they expect the shortage to last a long while
aaaaaaaaannyway
cunning raft
video cards are the new bitcoin!
as in their price will crash in a few months?
cunning raft
lul
spare venture
the name sounds bad but the parts seem good, price of the individual parts were higher than that prebuild
formal turret
twice right? lol
olive marlin
damn that RX goes for 400€, bloodstone lol
Depends on exact version, I see RX 570 between 250 and 800 usd
minor badge
8gb Sapphire Plus or something
spare venture
This is killing me right now
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olive marlin
8gb Sapphire Plus or something
.wa 2800 PLN to usd
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
spare venture
How much is that in freedom
olive marlin
.wa 2800 PLN to usd
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: $722.64 (US dollars) (17. March 2021) - https://is.gd/WwXRs4
spare venture
ridiculous
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lemme sell it in Poland then kekw
limber knotBOT
lol
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i can just buy you a new one at a profit
ashen cliff
MFW I bought a RX 580 8GB 2 years ago for 50€:
mossy vessel
imagine looking for new graphics cards 
olive marlin
Nmf we are looking at used graphic cards.
Proxi wanna smuggle some graphic cards to Poland for profit?
mossy vessel
No need to smuggle 
limber knotBOT
yeah, there is no customs in the EU xD
ashen cliff
Except Italy.
waxen panther
bro!
limber knotBOT
Italy is strange
They are probably going to try to leave the EU too
getting tons of money from the EU
leaving it
I sure hope the fall of the UK will be a deterrence against anyone wanting to leave ever again...
waxen panther
ok !
warm anchor
waxen panther
eternity 
topaz mortar
If Germany would leave the EU 25% of the yearly incoming money would be missing.
quasi valley
weebs
limber knotBOT
yeah, but Germany would still be fucked lol
I should buy a pre-build PC, swap the video card for the 1060 and sell it again
spare venture
lmao
void void
Just wondering, how would I start making a portfolio website?
Can I use github hosting for that?
warm anchor
Yea?
void void
Hmm okay.
warm anchor
A simple page that showcase your project and experience should be enough.
cosmic raft
hi
mossy vessel
morning
twin lagoon
hello kazheek
spare venture
I have talked myself down from buying a desktop again 
waxen panther
kash
next gulch
Hello, I would like to make a survival server to play with friends. And I would like to know if Paper has a good mob spawn not like spigot. I would like to do a mob grinder for xp but spigot limit the spawn and you need to increase the spawn in the bukkit.yml ... And that's very annoying.
ashen cliff
Per player mob spawns.
next gulch
Yes
limber knotBOT
that has nothing to do with spigot btw, that's vanilal behaviour
next gulch
Okay
wraith trail
yeah spigot defaults should pretty much be the same as vanilla, it's more of a multiplayer mob spawning as a whole is not great
some of that can be mitigated by enabling per-player-mob-spawns in paper.yml as krusic said
warm anchor
I have talked myself down from buying a desktop again <:Sadge:790013165282000908...
Walk to micro center. Convince yourself to buy again
ashen cliff
Tho, you can get a pretty good laptop for that price now.
quasi valley
laptops are for people like leaf pf
ashen cliff
Disrespect bro.
spare venture
I already have a laptop
ashen cliff
Get a better one.
spare venture
I’d be spending more on a laptop that would be worse than a desktop
worn ember
ashen cliff
Nah.
spare venture
Walk to micro center. Convince yourself to buy again
The problem is that everyone here unconvinced me 😦
spare venture
Nah.
??? I’d be spending like $1300+ on a laptop just to be stuck with a laptop that thermal throttles
spare venture
Desktop with monitor would be the same price, but I would have a laptop and a desktop, and the desktop would be able to do much more than just a laptop
limber knotBOT
I only buy old thinkpads 👀
ashen cliff
You didn't check the prices did you?
spare venture
Unless a new laptop is less then $1300 now, no, I did not
ashen cliff
Good. Now go check again.
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
spare venture
You didn't check the prices did you?
🥺
ashen cliff
stuck with a laptop that thermal throttles
Finds a forsaken ultra book.
spare venture
What do you recommend?
spare venture
That was the first result on google
ashen cliff
One big thicc laptop.
spare venture
old xps <:pepe_sleep:622379156071514122>
Huh the new one is only $1149 starting
cosmic raft
cross your fingers
waxen panther
crossed
vernal moth
Double crossed
quasi valley
quadruple crossed
wide chasm
puts away ban hammer
waxen panther
what did you SAY Michael
waxen panther
i cant live not knowing
limber knotBOT
Irc ppl know
waxen panther
lmfao
olive marlin
i cant live not knowing
waxen panther
yeyeye someone sent me it
vernal moth
That's cheating
waxen panther
visual egret
Responsive design 👍
cosmic raft
it was made in 2015 oskar
ashen cliff
Time is always more important than the contents.
worn ember
Responsive design 👍
we dont use the r word here
worn ember
whatever makes you happy
ashen cliff
Things that make me happy: https://posili.me/i/2021-03-18_16-13-52.png
void void
bruh
limber knotBOT
what the hell is up with the paper discord today?
It's dead empty and it's concerning me
olive marlin
There's no drama to talk about.
Also, congrats on finally getting an avatar on Discord.
formal turret
👏
zealous wedge
we should start some!
spare venture
yes big drama about me getting a desktop
someone please affirm my thoughts on that prebuild
formal turret
what prebuild
olive marlin
price: $1,169 https://www.microcenter.com/product/626589/xps-8940-gaming-compute...
@formal turret ^^
formal turret
i mean if you're looking at spending more money i'd do the intel one
visual egret
p-prebuilt... for GAMING!!!!1! impossible!11!!
olive marlin
I know that sometimes prebuilds are cheaper. But for me it was cheaper to order parts at 1 vendor and pay them like 25$ for them to put it together and test. And got discounts for bigger order.
I think they even can overclock your stuff for you for a few bucks.
formal turret
right now it's probably cheaper to do prebuilt just because of the gpu problems
olive marlin
You say you don't want to pay almost 4 thousand USD for 3090?
pearl vapor
Is there a plugin to disable the nether or end dimension via commands, so you don't have to restart the server when enabling it. I don't want to completely disable it, I just want so when you go into a portal it doesn't work.
visual egret
hyperverse/multiverse might work
restive saffron
@spare venture i took your advice and used purpur, peformance so much betta.
magic river
purpur is the one with leaf's light?
magic river
If it doesn't have leaf's light code in it I doubt the performance is much different from Paper
visual egret
purpur is based on tunity
magic river
Like, if you have some specific niche thing killing your server maybe one of those has a patch just for that
In general though I wouldn't expect to see a huge difference
spare venture
Purpur has airplane and Tuinity patches
restive saffron
yatopia has all of the above
i looked at it. first thing i saw were people complaining of bugs
merry talon
no way
magic river
Yeah, that's why a lot of those things aren't in Paper 😛
restive saffron
but purpur. no bugs. just worked
wind basin
billy aint trained in yaml
restive saffron
json vs yaml?
wind basin
json vs yaml?
there's the virgin commentless json vs the chad json superset yaml
wraith trail
what we really need is toml
golden gust
They're both intended for different purpises
merry talon
json superset yaml
what
golden gust
toml, you mean bastardised ini files?
wraith trail
I use them for everything, super nice
magic river
No one implements the JSON-superset version of YAML 😛
wraith trail
but I mean yaml is the standard for mc, so no reason to change
upper flicker
toml is nice until you need any nesting whatsoever
golden gust
toml just seems like total cancer
wraith trail
it looks like it but it's not
magic river
TOML isn't mostly just giving a bit of a spec to all the stuff people were doing to ini files
golden gust
You're talling me
wind basin
yeah no pfp user
actully i found this pfp
visual egret
what is ini i use wav files with me reading the configuration out loud
golden gust
that your average bukkit user can configure toml just as easy as yaml?
spare venture
The amount of people still waiting outside this micro center for a GPU
wraith trail
well it's great because spacing does not matter, and its so much easier to learn
no, I didn't say that
spare venture
There’s like 50 people still and it’s almost 1 PM
wraith trail
I said yaml is the standard for mc so there is no reason to change it
magic river
There is no way that store got 50 GPUs
wraith trail
but, for someone who has never used anything like it ever before, toml would probably be easier to learn
golden gust
I mean, I got doubts there
Like, the "pros" i see of toml, might as well just use a properties file
wraith trail
well no, there is so much you can't do in a properties file
I'm not trying to say paper should switch to toml or anything
zealous wedge
TOML is just sorta in an awkward middle spot that means it can do a lot of things badly
wraith trail
and nor should it switch to hocon, just because everyone already knows yaml
golden gust
nobody here is implying that you're saying that
zealous wedge
like, either use normal ini, or use hocon/yaml/whatever
magic river
hocon is kind of neat but the only implementation was in scala last time I looked
zealous wedge
it's in java
but its emitter is terrible
well, it's in Java but its tests are in Scala and its sorta maintained by a Scala company
magic river
magic river
It's even plugging in to serde, good shit
I think most of the new features in Java are coming from Scala
Just like C# features come from F#
restive saffron
what have i done 😔
the mobs seem so passive now, takes them a few seconds to realize im right infront of them
golden gust
probs entity activation stuff, but, if you're not using paper, god knows
magic river
Turns out an easy way to make your server faster is to turn off mob AI 😛
magic river
ooh it runs at -Inf mspt now
restive saffron
went in spigot.yml to fix, hopefully it works
left swift
Cat that command doesnt work all it does is make my players happy
twin lagoon
nms repackaging 
mental meadow
https://devhubapp.com/
Anyone ever used that`? looks pretty cool 😮
limber knotBOT
same
hot hound
Quick question, I'm assuming updating scoreboards async isn't safe right (mainly teams)
golden gust
messing with the API off the main thread is not supported
"safe" has many caveats, and if you have to ask, no
magic river
TIL Disney actually created a professional hockey team called the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim to cash in on the fandom of their movie The Mighty Ducks
left swift
Nice
magic river
Oh, right, that movie is 30 years old, I'd better explain it: Guy gets a DUI but since he's a rich white dude he gets sentenced to coaching a kids hockey team instead of going to jail. He gets his boss to buy a bunch of expensive equipment for the team and they name the team after him. Then they learn the power of friendship and teamwork and win everything
spare venture
aint forgettin this
magic river
I can't do that yet 😦
Even if I could find one I don't want to go from a 1070 to a 2070, not worth it
But with a 1070 the best I can do is 8-bit 4K 120Hz
Or 10-bit 4K 90Hz
Or maybe 100Hz, whatever
left swift
4k gaming 
spare venture
yeah i got a 1440p monitor
warm anchor
Don’t cost an arm and a leg to drive
left swift
1440x1080 stretched
magic river
I got two of these https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gn950-b-gaming-monitor
unreal quarry
the human eye can only see 640x480 pixels
runs away
warm anchor
That’s cool.
magic river
They aren't that much more than a good 1440p monitor
warm anchor
Hook that baby onto a duo monitor arm @magic river
spare venture
holy shit those are expensive
twin lagoon
i was looking into getting that monitor too
but 4k & windows scaling is pepega
and well, never going to reach 144fps 4k gaming lol
magic river
Actually the only comparable 1440p monitor costs more than this one
This this has 4K, 144Hz, FreeSync Pro, and HDR
Or whatever the name of the good FreeSync is, the one that's the same as GSync
twin lagoon
yeah but HDR sucks
idk what the variable refresh rate of pro is either, a proper gsync one starts at 1Hz
magic river
This is apparently only 48-144Hz but iirc the Pro part is what it does when you drop below that
twin lagoon
a similar 27" 1440p gsync monitor will cost around the same though yes
magic river
Huh, newegg doesn't even appear to have any 144Hz + FreeSync + HDR monitors
If you drop the FreeSync requirement they cost like $1000 though
spare venture
left swift
Curved monitors lul
magic river
I'm jealous of the curve, no HDR, but that's a good deal
left swift
magic river
(tbh I've had the HDR off almost the entire time I've had the thing)
spare venture
yeah I'll sit on it for a while and see how I like it, return it and swap for a diff one if I don't.
magic river
I can't leave it on, it's too bright when doing desktop tasks
And it's too annoying to turn on and off all the time on Windows
My PS5 uses it though
spare venture
yeah I have my PS5 plugged into my monitor now because I can't fit both my tv and my monitor in my room now
once I move I'll have space
magic river
I have a 55" 4K TV with HDR that the PS5 started hooked up to but once I got this monitor (second one comes tomorrow) I moved it to my desk
spare venture
is it hisense or tcl?
twin lagoon
curve is horrible though
spare venture
did you buy it this black friday?
magic river
Nah, it's 2 or 3 years old
spare venture
ah
I just bought one of those this black friday for $200
the HDR is OK, fine for $200 lmao
magic river
I bought it on some random day when our old one broke
I think I paid $350?
Might have been $300
spare venture
tv prices in general have been in a free fall
left swift
TV is for boomers that's y
magic river
I think I'm going to move my switch to my desk too
I almost never play it because when I get a random urge to game it's easier to pull up some random garbage on my computer
On a related note, I got this for my switch too https://www.amazon.com/Marseille-Networks-Mclassic-Worlds-Graphics-Processor/dp/B07X6KDQ98
tbh I haven't noticed a difference but that's on the TV, maybe it'll be different at my desk
void void
Yo just wondering do you guys own any og email domains?
twin lagoon
what the fuck is an og email domain
void void
Like red@gmail.com
twin lagoon
but why
void void
idk I just really like short og domains, and it's more professional I guess
twin lagoon
a professional email address is one with your own domain
not a gmail address
firstname@lastname.com for example
quasi valley
laughs in 32.22.1@<city-domain.whatever>
twin lagoon
quasi valley
how did you find my mail??
void void
hmm
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
own domains
warm anchor
Buy a domain and if you don’t want trying
twin lagoon
mossy vessel
I'd never sign up with a gmail address for anything more serious than a job lol
if even
void void
damn lol
void void
So pretty much everyone here uses their own domain, hmm.
spare venture
not me!
void void
party, what do you use 👀
spare venture
gmail lol
waxen panther
proximyst at proximy dot st PGP key 0x7E8663CA3C537F64 ? <:pleading_apple:754187...
i dont have the technology
mossy vessel
mail or pgp?
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😔
mossy vessel
left swift
Brocc 
waxen panther
no mana 
quasi valley
broc is a true gamer
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nomana 
left swift
Proxi
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I have no poki emotes 😔
waxen panther
broccolai big man johnson playing with the boys 😎
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sorry for bags
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more like sorry for kenny's MUM
waxen panther
GOTTEM!
quasi valley
waxen panther
heyyyyyyyyyyy fat kennyyy
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@quasi valley bullied
quasi valley
insert authoritarian tyrant mods pasta here
cunning raft
#wiz2021
left swift
You'll trigger bartys ptsd
void void
is there anyway to pay people for how long they play using vault and essentials eco, kinda like a welfare check ig it gives them money lets say every hour.
left swift
mental meadow
ban kneny
golden gust
yas
quasi valley
insert authoritarian tyrant mods pasta here again
golden gust
nor do we up on this podium care what thee peasants have to say
quasi valley
oh me and my friend the pitchfork sure are compelling
mental meadow
I strictly follow the "why don't they eat cake" policy
limber knotBOT
mod aboose!
!quiet Geolykt
WHAT DID YOU LEARN?!
!unquiet Geolykt
Help! I'm being opressed!
left swift
We stan dogs in this paper general
waxen schooner
wdym
waxen panther
😀
waxen schooner
just wanna ask for some help
since I'm getting 7 million longs allocated in memory every time a player joins in my Minecraft server impl lol
chunk data
and I thought you guys might be able to help with performance stuff, since isn't that kinda what Paper is all about?
golden gust
For your own custom server impl? No
All we can tell you is to look at heap dumps and allocation recorders, etc
void void
Hello
waxen schooner
any idea how I can do that with JProfiler by any chance?
visual egret
7 million longs?
ashen cliff
It's always heads!
cosmic raft
google is helpful
waxen schooner
yeah, all the block states for all the chunk sections
visual egret
ez just remove every occurrence of long in your code
waxen panther
a meeting of the minds.
waxen schooner
ez just remove every occurrence of `long` in your code
lol
waxen schooner
I'm allocating them because I load them from Anvil files
cosmic raft
you fucked something up then
waxen panther
then dont? 
cosmic raft
lol
waxen schooner
you fucked something up then
each chunk section has a variable length array of 4096 longs
maybe I should check for empty longs and just ignore them
left swift
Broccolai - very joke / weebful
tropic flame
just add System.exit(0); to the start of your server's main method
waxen panther
Broccolai - very joke / weebful
waxen schooner
I swear if I'm allocating like 6 million 0's lol
waxen schooner
- no
- might do in the future, idk lol
tropic flame
Sponge is very based
void void
google is helpful
Google is my best freinds
waxen panther
very BASED
waxen schooner
I don't mind Sponge, but it's very far from Kotlin friendly
tropic flame
as it should
waxen schooner
which is kinda why I don't like it
cosmic raft
to be honest
If something does not work nicely with kotlin, that's kotlin's fault
it's not our job to work around the stupid fuckery it does
waxen schooner
yeah I know
left swift
BomBartyGamer
waxen schooner
Kotlin can't convert getters and setters that don't follow conventions to properties unfortunately
olive marlin
Most often I saw Java libs do stupid things, causing breakage with Kotlin. Like assuming there's default constructor, when there's no reason for it to exist.
quasi valley
@waxen panther no pleading allowed here
waxen panther
I will pleading emoji to kash all I want god damnit !
quasi valley
@left swift no
waxen schooner
Most often I saw Java libs do stupid things, causing breakage with Kotlin. Like ...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cosmic raft
Kotlin can't convert getters and setters that don't follow conventions to proper...
That's kotlin's fault, not libraries
especially
when Java itself drops get in 9+
left swift
E-specially
waxen schooner
when Java itself drops `get` in 9+
yeah maybe that is Kotlin's fault then
waxen panther
z-seven-five-zero 😀
cosmic raft
It's not a maybe
mental meadow
🥺
cosmic raft
It is kotlin's fault
upper flicker
just you know at some handwave point in the future
waxen schooner
Kotlin generally supports everything that Java introduces
upper flicker
I mean, its kotlin trying to convert some java code to a nicer thing for just kotlin
spare venture
Kotlin ❤️
waxen schooner
and the new record format not using the old conventions for getters and setters should be a nice kick up the ass to get Kotlin to support it
waxen schooner
yeah JetBrains always get on that sorta stuff
I think they already added support for record method -> property conversion
would be nice if they added it everywhere else though
and would be especially nice if you could implement Java interfaces without overriding the getters and setters and settling all the signature clashes when you try to make properties as return values for those getters
left swift
Omg mcdfehijklmnop is in typing sounds chat 
cedar spade
ah yes, the fast food chain, McDfehijklmnop
golden gust
I like mcdolands more than you
cedar spade
I hear @waxen panther is a fan of McDfehijklmnop's?
void void
Did u know Mac OS is coded in C C++ Objective-C Swift assembly language
golden gust
Oh, wow, I can't see properly today, wooo
left swift
What is mcdolands
waxen schooner
Did u know Mac OS is coded in C C++ Objective-C Swift assembly language
cool
go put it on Wikipedia lol
austere ivy
in some recent APIs, I've seen getXyz() and setXyz(Xyz xyz) instead simply be called xyz() and xyz(Xyz xyz). is this a recent stylistic change?
waxen panther
java is moving in that direction
waxen schooner
I think so
austere ivy
neat.
waxen panther
so much prettier 🥺
wide chasm
So much worse
waxen panther
the new adventure methods in paper are named that way ^^
left swift
Duality of man
void void
Did u also know windows 10 is coded in C C++ C# Java and assembly
austere ivy
the new adventure methods in paper are named that way ^^
that's actually how I noticed! ;p
waxen schooner
yeah Java is moving away from legacy getters and setters that everyone hates and moving towards the new stuff that everyone actually kinda likes
upper flicker
there has been some back and forth on it for years now in the community
waxen schooner
the new adventure methods in paper are named that way ^^
probably because that's how Adventure itself names stuff
upper flicker
java just made their choice I guess
austere ivy
brocc 🥺 ❤️
waxen panther
I am well aware of how adventure has its methods lol
left swift
austere ivy
anyway I like it, definitely seems like an interesting change. I'll start naming my api methods like that and see how I like it I guess
stef, why exactly don't you like it?
wide chasm
When I start using Java 17 in my projects I'll block records, just because of the dumb method naming.
waxen panther
weirdchamp
cedar spade
hmm yes java is now abandoning getters and setters
wide chasm
Because they don't represent an action, whereas getX does represent an action.
tropic flame
austere ivy
very interesting take, stef. I never thought about it like that
wide chasm
Why would get imply a side effect? I'm simply getting a value.
austere ivy
what about when it's not really representing an action? like, returning a field doesn't really represent an action per se. it's just enforcing encapsulation, right?
void void
MSDOS was coded in Assembly
waxen panther
who asked
upper flicker
just how the english language works
waxen schooner
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getT can have the side effect of calculating 7 thousand primes 
austere ivy
I do see z7's point, get kinda does imply you're getting something from database or something like that.
cosmic raft
in some recent APIs, I've seen `getXyz()` and `setXyz(Xyz xyz)` instead simply b...
This is what a lot of projects are doing, at least to some degree. For example:
- jdk
- paper
- adventure
- configurate
- sponge
waxen panther
proxi <3333
austere ivy
proxi hello :DD
waxen panther
k
left swift
Gottem
cedar spade
the chemical or the library?
visual egret
bruh
olive marlin
Proxi's red eyes keep scaring me for some reason.
visual egret
same
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switch to the good mode then, bloodstone
upper flicker
anyway, so the debate over names will continue
wide chasm
A field in and of itself isn't an action, no, but a method does something, even if it's simply returning a value. In this case x() doesn't represent an action, whereas getX() does.
quasi valley
switch to the good mode then, bloodstone
old people mode
upper flicker
another largely meaningless debate that has no real world repercussions but will forever be argued and flamed about online
waxen schooner
I still don't really get the point of having methods like getters and setters instead of just directly exposing the property
upper flicker
as does the internet do
wide chasm
Because of encapsulation
waxen schooner
I mean, I know it's conventions and all, but is there an actual benefit?
void void
‼️
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@waxen panther https://uwu.whats-th.is/7K4SGzr.png? halp ?
cosmic raft
it looks nicer too
Without get prefixes:
player.inventory().hotbar().selectedSlotIndex();
player.serverLocation().world().chunk(0, 0, 0).block(0, 0, 0);
game.server().worldManager().worlds();
With get prefixes:
player.getInventory().getHotbar().getSelectedSlotIndex();
player.getServerLocation().getWorld().getChunk(0, 0, 0).getBlock(0, 0, 0);
game.getServer().getWorldManager().getWorlds();
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me when discord embeds die
austere ivy
This is what a lot of projects are doing, at least to some degree. For example:
...
I've seen it in adventure for a while and kinda assumed it might've been just an adventure-only style, but once paper also had a similar style I figured it's something bigger in the Java community.
waxen panther
discord plz
waxen schooner
Without `get` prefixes:
`player.inventory().hotbar().selectedSlotIndex();`
`play...
I think it'd be even nicer if they weren't methods at all tbh
waxen schooner
Because of encapsulation
wdym?
wide chasm
Let's say I have field x and I'm perfectly fine with people getting and setting it, so I just expose the field. Now I decide that actually, I want to return a copy of the field, rather than the actual object. I can't change this now without breaking copatibility, whereas with separate methods I can.
olive marlin
I still don't really get the point of having methods like getters and setters in...
Also what if you want to have public getter, but private setter? Can't do that with field in Java, can do in Kotlin.
golden gust
I mean, think they're thinking of C# properties
waxen schooner
Let's say I have field x and I'm perfectly fine with people getting and setting ...
fair
waxen schooner
Also what if you want to have public getter, but private setter? Can't do that w...
that's called a final field, no?
austere ivy
brocc believe it or not I'm working on ukiyo's project 2 atm 😳
left swift
https://tenor.com/view/bean-dance-crazy-aye-dats-fr-crazy-hoe-now-show-me-one-pe...
Damb proxi being mean
austere ivy
bombardy I'm pretty sure that you're right
tropic flame
Without `get` prefixes:
`player.inventory().hotbar().selectedSlotIndex();`
`play...
matter of preference, but i prefer the second, it's more descriptive
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just sassy
austere ivy
@spiral robin :D
spiral robin
hello
waxen schooner
I mean, Kotlin auto-generating and converting all of the getters and setters to properties for you is really nice though
waxen panther
brocc believe it or not I'm working on ukiyo's project 2 atm 😳
oh, whats that?
wide chasm
Private setter isn't the same as final; with final no one can change it, with a private setter the class itself can still change it.
austere ivy
oh, whats that?
it's a surprise, you'll just have to wait and see
waxen schooner
alright that's enough Kotlin circlejerking, https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003
spiral robin
shut up @cunning raft
left swift
Hi aber how was paper break
cunning raft
@spiral robin no
spiral robin
its been ok so far
austere ivy
it looks nicer too
that's the big reason I'd consider using that style. just for how it looks.
waxen schooner
Isnt that the only reason you would use a different style
facts
I mean, could be worse, we could be dealing with C# conventions lol
a.k.a Microsoft®️ Java™️
wide chasm
Besides me personally thinking a method should represent an action, you can get into small edge cases, where the field name is also an action. E.g. with person.name() I may think that I'm trying to name this person, rather than getting their name, which is another reason I prefer get: getName doesn't have that ambiguity.
cosmic raft
Besides me personally thinking a method should represent an action, you can get ...
Well, the Java community disagrees
Java beans are dead
💃
waxen schooner
Java beans
austere ivy
Besides me personally thinking a method should represent an action, you can get ...
I think that the style is only used on things where the getter and setter are always named essentially the same.
waxen schooner
wow that's a long time ago
wide chasm
I'll still be using the get/set style personally
austere ivy
I wonder when NoGetSet will become a checkstyle lol
wide chasm
Wouldn't be surprised if it existed already
waxen schooner
I mean, as long as you use something that is somewhat agreed upon then no one should have any issues
waxen panther
it already does
visual egret
spottedleaf what u up to
austere ivy
github's new kinda-dark theme is 👌
visual egret
brocc why does your voice sound so british
cunning raft
because they're Japanese
waxen panther
oh jeez i wonder!
cunning raft
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
visual egret
leaf isnt muted 👀
austere ivy
The paper furry
no. wait. really?
left swift
Unping
austere ivy
also kash I like your new avatar
visual egret
same
austere ivy
very suavé colors
warm anchor
Very cute 
visual egret
eternity join the muted party
visual egret
smh im procrastinating english homework
austere ivy
when the channel is called typing-sounds but I don't hear any typing sounds 😔
visual egret
want to hear some
austere ivy
no
visual egret
ok
warm anchor
Oskar is gonna talk and fbi is going to @waxen panther ‘s house
left swift
FBI going to England
warm anchor
waxen panther
how was that brian
visual egret
uh oh
austere ivy
sorry brocc I had to pee can you do it again?
waxen panther
after this match
visual egret
sad
warm anchor
Imagine having Oskar on speaker for entire office to hear
visual egret
i wouldnt say anything
austere ivy
uh, imagine not having headphones??
visual egret
@waxen schooner you dont hear them speaking?
austere ivy
@twin lagoon
warm anchor
Lmao
waxen schooner
<@!266294134116057089> you dont hear them speaking?
if that's what you want to call it, yes, yes I do
waxen panther
haha kekw ?!
visual egret
what they are speaking about paper kotlin rewrite
warm anchor
Is leaf giving speech?
visual egret
damn spotted you done 50% of kotlin rewrite? sick
waxen schooner
Is leaf giving speech?
more like ripping everyone's ears out
warm anchor
So normal leaf then
waxen schooner
oh no
visual egret
omg omg i just heard the keyboard
spare venture
leaf in vc huh
unkempt drift
Paper 3.0 in development in typing sounds
spare venture
Haven’t heard him speak in a while
visual egret
yeah apparently people cant hear them
austere ivy
brocc thank you for your performance. 10/10 standing ovation
visual egret
ayo what mod is deafening everyone
visual egret
r e d
visual egret
ping the cat to find out /s
waxen panther
oh ffs i did that on my workman account
warm anchor
Is this paperMC special hour
spare venture
why deafen
waxen panther
now i randomly have a 130wpm spike on it
waxen schooner
ping the cat to find out /s
waxen schooner
Is this paperMC special hour
seems legit
tropic flame
I'm leaving, remove my server deafen thx, gonna wash the dishes
upper flicker
if paper had a happy hour, I'd expect it to look something like this
spare venture
what is RTC?
waxen schooner
more like goodbye ear drums hour
visual egret
why mute leaf when you can deafen everyone else 
austere ivy
MICHEL? wth you can't just go insulting brocc like that
warm anchor
Well Oskar is too young for happy hour unless we serve orange juice
austere ivy
sorry michal I didn't want to have to say it but... I don't think that you're very nice 😔
waxen panther
i will go cry now
austere ivy
he hates me too it's ok brocc
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft remove my server mute 
visual egret
im fine with water eternity
austere ivy
what's more important is that i like you and you're the best <3
spare venture
what was the point of this
visual egret
life
austere ivy
helooo barty :)
spare venture
hello
formal turret
server mute everyoone so they can't talk anymore
warm anchor
This is internet hugging party
waxen panther
thank you Brian you’re the best too 😔
waxen schooner
what was the point of this
the point is that it doesn't have a point lol
waxen panther
austere ivy
brocc did you see the time I posted in your server? 172 wpm
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
worn ember
whuts happening lol
waxen panther
yes it was very epic
twin lagoon
brocc did you see the time I posted in your server? 172 wpm
172wpm fucking rookies
waxen panther
I’m up to 30wpm on workman now
waxen schooner
whuts happening lol
welcome to PaperMC "happy" hour lol
visual egret
whuts happening lol
michelle said the forbidden word earlier today
austere ivy
172wpm fucking rookies
michl sorry but am not talking to you if ur gonna be so rude to me
twin lagoon
didn't ask
visual egret
its a ritual
austere ivy
didn't ask
sorry, but didn't ask if you didn't ask
waxen panther
michael joined noxcrew and now he's too important to be nice to us
just ignore him
twin lagoon
ok that's just rude
spare venture
so whoever's doing this realizes that you will have to unmute/undeafen people eventually because iirc its persistent?
waxen schooner
that's the joke
twin lagoon
see now that's kashike's problem
waxen panther
ah yes because papermc's voice chat is always so active!
waxen schooner
see now that's kashike's problem
^
waxen panther
how will we survive
worn ember
waxen panther
twin lagoon
spare venture
broc wanna vc 
austere ivy
oy oy wait noxcrew? I remember playing a map by them when I was like.. 12 lol
waxen panther
no i am sulking now
twin lagoon
i have never heard of noxcrew before
waxen schooner
ah yes because papermc's voice chat is always so active!
I remember the like week straight it was full for 1.16 lol
cosmic raft
so whoever's doing this realizes that you will have to unmute/undeafen people ev...
so you see
austere ivy
very cool nice michael
warm anchor
Lmao
waxen schooner
oh those were the times
cosmic raft
leaf had moderator permissions for voice
waxen schooner
man, I hope we have that again for 1.17
cosmic raft
so there's that
spare venture
heh
visual egret
leaf had moderator permissions for voice
waaaat
warm anchor
@static badge unmute me
twin lagoon
what went through your mind one day thinking
waxen panther
the last one didnt go to well for you so are you sure 
twin lagoon
ok let's give leaf mod perms
warm anchor
lol
spare venture
contributor must've had it?
visual egret
transfer ownership to leaf
twin lagoon
@warm anchor
spare venture
mmm makes sense
waxen schooner
I mean when we actually needed it
unkempt drift
kash, why you take away my ability to un server mute/deafen myself?
visual egret
what if- we moved- to the forbidden vc
waxen schooner
remember when 1.16 came out and it was literally non-stop development for like a week?
spare venture
why does obs take 10 hours to open on my pc 😦
cosmic raft
kash, why you take away my ability to un server mute/deafen myself?
took it from all contributors
vernal moth
what if- we moved- to the forbidden vc
No that's a sacred place
waxen schooner
lol
vernal moth
remember when 1.16 came out and it was literally non-stop development for like a...
You mean me being drunk for a week? 😂
waxen schooner
You mean me being drunk for a week? 😂
oh yeah I remember that HAHA
those were the days