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#general
golden gust
it's almost like that's the joke
worn ember
ban him for good measure
spare venture
ban u
spare venture
worn ember
ur just salty cuz you dont want to pay me
spare venture
You think I pay myself?
worn ember
that seems rather useless
spare venture
Besides you work for like $2/hr, free isn’t much of a step down from that
spare venture
Mhm
void void
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
worn ember
@warm anchor i see this as an absolute win
untold copper
if water is a byproduct of photosynthesis then why don't plants use that water again?
vale rune
That indeed is a difficult question brother.
But.
It can always be put simply.
Would you use your own byproducts?
golden gust
have you heard about evaporation?
does the amount of water produced from photosynthesis meet the needs of the input? as, if energy is coming out, it's probably less
potent fossil
that's like asking why dont humans drink the water in the water vapor they breathe out
because it's in a different state now
its gone, floating away, byebye
potent fossil
spare venture
Isn’t water required for photosynthesis
vale rune
Wanna know a very fucking random fact bro?
spare venture
Like water isn’t a byproduct
golden gust
processes like photosynthesis are generally a chain of interactions
vale rune
zzzCat really likes using "I mean."
I mean, that's kinda cool.
That's one random fucking fact I noticed.
spare venture
Yeah but the overall reaction results in a sugar and an oxygen assuming a complete rxn
magic river
I mean, who doesn't?
golden gust
I mean, it's either that or I start prefacing more sentences with, "You're an absolute fucking moron, but"
magic river
We all want to be Alicia Silverstone in Clueless
I might have mixed up my decades but I'm pretty sure this was a teen girl meme for a while
spare venture
I don’t have the Calvin cycle and all that shit memorized but I’m pretty sure it uses water, sunlight, and carbon dioxide to make the sugars and oxygen
potent fossil
idk what the byproducts are, was just goin on what snoopa said. dammit lads im an engineer not a biologist
spare venture
And I’m pretty sure it can happen without sunlight too, but it requires energy like ATP and is inefficient
Well given that snoopa is like 13 you can’t assume what he’s saying is correct
untold copper
Like water isn’t a byproduct
yes it is
potent fossil
the joke was more so in the jest that engineers rely on lookup tables
spare venture
He basically said water is a reactant and a product
golden gust
There are a few pictures which suggest that there is some level of water as a byproduct
spare venture
Which doesn’t really make sense
untold copper
| chlorophyll
carbon dioxide + water -----------------> glucose + oxygen + water
sunlight
golden gust
I ain't really a plant science person, all I know is that my food eats plants
magic river
Wow Intel's latest desktop CPUs are Ice Lake but ported back to 14nm
golden gust
but, you're generally never gonna get as much of what you put into a process as you get out
spare venture
Last time I took chemistry that’s not really how chemical reactions worked
golden gust
nutrients are also essential which means it needs to have some uptake from somewhere
spare venture
But yeah that’s why I said in the case of an incomplete reaction
Snoopa gave us an unbalanced equation so 🤷♂️
Can’t create more atoms than you started with
vale rune
Admirable.
spare venture
Yeah I don’t have that shit memorized so idk
I assume it’s because there are side reactions that occur that result in some of the water from the initial reaction reforming
But the overall reaction we care about is the one above
But it needs more water to react again
So that’s why. It doesn’t produce enough water to just continuously react again because the hydrogens in most of the water is used to make the sugar
vale rune
Thank you for your answer bro. @untold copper you better read it.
spare venture
It might reuse some of the water, who knows, I’m not a biologist, but it might produce it in an unusable state like simple said
Have you taken chemistry snoopa?
magic river
According to that image there is no water left
12 hydrogen atoms go in, 12 come out
No water
spare venture
I did a little bit of research and that reaction is the photosynthesis reaction
magic river
I suppose there might be water as the solution this reaction takes place in
spare venture
But if you take the case where there is more water than that, some side reactions can occur that just turn the excess crap back into water
Idk I don’t want to have to think about chemistry
magic river
True, chemistry is a very messy process and this is just giving you the core reaction that we care about
spare venture
I took way too much and don’t really want to think about it anymore unless I’m getting paid to
magic river
I failed high school chemistry
spare venture
magic river
Half the class was memorizing the periodic table and fuck that shit
spare venture
High school chemistry is pretty dumb
For some reason they taught chemistry after biology at my school even though we had to learn a lot of chemistry to understand the biology
vale rune
Bruh.
spare venture
IMO it should be physics -> chemistry -> biology
magic river
I want to say I did physics -> biology -> chemistry but physics and biology might have been at the same time
They were done by different teachers and didn't require each other so I definitely could have taken them at the same time
And I tried to cram as many core classes as I could, if I'd actually finished high school my last year and a half would have been home ec and gym 😛
untold copper
Have you taken chemistry snoopa?
I haven't "taken" anything
that's next year
in 11th
golden gust
our science classes basically went over the entire lot
I can't remember jack shit from then and really 🤷♂️
spare venture
Then in college I took like 6 chem courses
golden gust
only avenue I really had any interest in was electronics, and even that was forgettable formulas and such
untold copper
I will be taking chemistry + physics + maths though
magic river
We had two years of science required, one class was a general thing and then you could take physics, chemistry, or biology
So I tried to do an extra class, I'm dumb I know
untold copper
atm im struggling to convert word equations into skeletal equations
spare venture
What
untold copper
what what
idk what ammonium hydroxide is
how am i supposed to write the formula for it
untold copper
you can't google in tests
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'll have to start remembering the valencies and stuff and start practicing the criss-cross method
so that I can do it faster
and remembering all the radicals is a pain :(
spare venture
You just have to know the formula for ammonia and hydroxide
jade sundial
spare venture
spare venture
how am i supposed to write the formula for it
Wait till you have to name shit like this
magic river
So this new CPU from Intel, coming out at the end of this month, is the first new core they've had for desktops since 2015
Skylake was in 2015 then Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake Refresh, and Comet Lake were all just minor tweaks of it, mostly tweaks in the 14nm process itself
And they're still on 14nm which iirc first launched in 2014 so it's been 7 years since we've had a die shrink on desktop
merry talon
And they're still on 14nm which iirc first launched in 2014 so it's been 7 years...
*from Intel
magic river
Well yeah, AMD is on 10nm (using Intel's terms) and Apple is on 7nm (still using Intel's terms :P)
Although I suppose Apple hasn't made a desktop processor yet
merry talon
what do you mean by intel's terms? lol
magic river
It's not though, the names are just marketing
I want to say they became just marketing around 130nm but it might have been before that and I just wasn't paying attention
merry talon
ahh
magic river
It used to be the size of a transistor then they said it was the smallest feature size then they just stopped measuring things and started talking about SRAM density
merry talon
Weird
magic river
Samsung is worse, they took their 7nm (slightly worse than TSMC's iirc) and did things similar to what Intel calls 14+, 14++, etc but instead call it 6nm and 5nm
They aren't even really getting any density improvement, just a more refined version of their 7nm process
But they're calling it 5nm
10nm comparison
Notice Intel's density is significantly higher
merry talon
Thanks, I hate it
magic river
The 7nm comparison puts Intel's 10nm back in since there is no 7nm from Intel yet
Also notice nothing on those measures 10nm or 7nm
merry talon
Or even close
magic river
Oh apparently I was wrong about Samsung, their 5nm is a real node change
And they've both now finally overtaken Intel
Also depending on who you ask 3nm or 2nm is considering the end of the road
Well, I guess TSMC might crank out a 1nm since their numbers are basically one generation further than Intel's
vernal moth
Ouch
Virtually any company running outlook web app seems to have been p0wned
Ppl report they found the webshell on way over 30k servers by american companies, and others report their what they have seen draf even those numbers
And the best thing is, nobody knows why, a nation state wouldn't shoot with a shotgun like this
This seems like a flex
It's a chinese group that is exploiting it apperently, but it just doesn't sound like a nation state attack
They are literally compromising thousands of servers per hour
merry talon
not many people host exchange servers due to them being black magic fuckery
but it's still bad
vernal moth
Well, everyone who does host them has a webshell now
I can't wait till someone else uses the webshell to push ransomware
vernal moth
What I am surprised by is the scope
It seems like they were activity targeting at first, got caught, msft patched and now they are on rampage and just automate and attack everything
Which just doesn't look like a state actor
golden gust
if you can automate the attack, it's pretty easy to distribute it out
vernal moth
Or maybe they were hired at first, did their work, and then had a little bit of fun and went rouge?
Most of the time you don't wanna distirbute like this, cause you cause so much attention, you have no real chance of actually using your backdoor
I just hope my companies exchange server is patched, lol
magic river
oof
vernal moth
Lmfao
Now i know what ppl use 1600w psu for
11700k + rtx3090 😂
Remember when ppl laughed at AMDs bulldozers
For being literal bulldozers in energy consumption?
This is them now
Intel is still in full on damage control
magic river
Even with all of that they still lose on single threaded performance
On the multithreaded test it's actually a perf/W regression vs the Comet Lake version
It's slightly faster but uses more power too
So it lost to Skylake, basically
Even better, the cache (and core-to-core) latencies are higher than Comet Lake so even with the improved performance it's actually a tie or worse for gaming
vernal moth
Now if amd could actually make enough of these chips 😂
merry talon
daaamn the M1 though
vernal moth
That's basically the only reason intel isn't loosing more market share
Seeing M1 on int/fp benchmarks like that is a bit missleading
Cause their reduced instruction set means they are slower on actual workloads that isn't just adding numbers together
But yes, they are not bad CPUs, and once the second gen comes out for actual desktops, intel will be attacked from two sides
magic river
Cause their reduced instruction set means they are slower on actual workloads th...
This isn't actually a thing
AMD, Intel, and Apple all convert things to micro ops under the covers although the name is a bit of a misnomer because even for x86 sometimes you can have multiple instructions combine to one micro op
The micro ops are the smallest things the CPU can actually do at a single instruction, sometimes that means you get a "free" pass through the barrel shifter and other times that means your memory/memory addition gets to be 4 instructions
As far as instruction density goes for gcc and LLVM at least amd64 and aarch64 are pretty similar
You can get denser amd64 code but only if you also want it to be slower
amd64 does still have a slight advantage in density though
vernal moth
But these fp/int tests don't test the number of micro ops, they test the more higher level instructions, right?
magic river
The test isn't measuring how many instructions you can execute, it's measuring how fast you accomplish the task
The number of instructions executed just happens to be pretty similar between the two architectures with modern compilers
Also at some level pretty much everything is down to "adding numbers together" but aside from maybe the branch predictor every part of the CPU that should make it better at general purpose code is bigger and/or faster on the M1
visual egret
smh ive seen it happen
vernal moth
Special weather conditions literally bend the light and you see the horizon differently, making you able to see ships float or see objects behind the actual horizon that shouldn't be visible to you
vernal moth
smh ive seen it happen
Where you from?
vernal moth
What time of the year?
vernal moth
It's supposed to happen in winter, lol
olive marlin
Brits weather is so bad, it's never summer, so that could explain it.
vernal moth
okkk, should I do paper PRs or work on hangar today 🤔
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neither
quasi valley
thanks, proxi
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quasi valley
always good words of encouragement
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come eat peaches w me instead
zealous wedge
sounds just peachy
vernal moth
I could also work on this https://github.com/MiniDigger/MiniMappingViewer/issues/89 instead 😄
considering paul actually pays me 🤔
gh sponsors is so cool
merry talon
show this to a flat earther
ashen cliff
I love how it's 2021 and most pictures still only have like 3 pixels.
vernal moth
val right = strictRightDuplicate ?: looseRightDuplicate ?: strictRightContinuation ?: looseRightContinuation ?: left
FieldMapping right = strictRightDuplicate != null ? strictRightDuplicate : looseRightDuplicate != null ? looseRightDuplicate : strictRightContinuation != null ? strictRightContinuation: looseRightContinuation != null ? looseRightContinuation: left;
imagine java having an elvis operator
😄
cursive osprey
How many core/threads minecraft server uses?
ashen cliff
Depends.™️
vernal moth
a bunch
basically, dont limit its core to something stupidly low or you will not have a good time
cursive osprey
My server works very good on PC
i5 7600K 4/4 core 3.8 ghz
But on hetzner
ryzen 9 3900 12/24 core 3.0 ghz it's working so bad...
I can watch the tps loss and heavy load (Average) in VDS
golden gust
I mean, you're tryna take a single metric and apply it across the board
server has one thread for the game tick loop and several dozen others for other stuff
you could have 200 cores, that would help all those "misc" tasks like chunk IO
vernal moth
what even is VDS?
cosmic raft
imagine java having an elvis operator
what is an elvis operator?
twin lagoon
a renamed vps
golden gust
but, if the perf of the core is bad, it will impact the TPS, given the whole "main thread"
VPS, but, marketeering wank
vernal moth
what is an elvis operator?
kotlin val foo = nullable ?: default. java var foo = nullable != null ? nullable : default
cosmic raft
you mean ternary?
cursive osprey
i want change to OVH i7 6700K 4/8 core 4.0 ghz
Will this improve my situation? Immediately I say plugins do not load the server. The main load is applied by chunks (Considering that the world is loaded! (ChunkMaster plugin))
golden gust
it's more specific to nullable
vernal moth
?: being the elvis operator, because it looks like elvis hair
twin lagoon
i want change to OVH i7 6700K 4/8 core 4.0 ghz
Will this improve my situation? I...
provide timings in #paper-help
golden gust
can be done similarly with a ternary but it shorter
cosmic raft
how the fuck does that look like hair
cosmic raft
wat
twin lagoon
The name "Elvis operator" refers to the fact that when its common notation, ?:, is viewed sideways, it resembles an emoticon of Elvis Presley with his quiff.[1]
cosmic raft
mini apparently
vernal moth
make it a bit more clear I guess
elvis operator is a pretty common term, c# has it too
grovy too apperently
golden gust
I mean
cosmic raft
as moist
vernal moth
Null coalescing operator is similar
golden gust
I guess there are people weird enough in society to spot that kinda stuff
I love that operator too much :L
cosmic raft
Null coalescing operator is similar
the what
golden gust
as? too
cosmic raft
o.O
cosmic raft
not sure how i feel about that
golden gust
it's one of those ones which you look at like o.O, but when you use it, you're amazed at how much LOC you reduce just in the quest of looking for something down somewhere
In general, I really like kotlin as a language to work with when I get the chance to, but, in terms of the people who use it...
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kotlin's nullability operator stuff is really nice
olive garden
C# also has these
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nullable cast and elvis together make for some clean and nice code especially in shit like event handlers for bukkit: kotlin fun handle(event: PlayerInteractEvent) { val sign = event.clickedBlock?.state as? Sign ?: return sign.line(0, text("wee")) sign.update() }
olive garden
and instead of simple stuff like these Java gets destructors/decomposition in pattern matching or whatever
olive marlin
Elvis operator is nice, some Langs like groovy also have Elvis assignment operator.
potent fossil
olive marlin
Also spread operator - instead of having to stream over list and get specific filed from objects, you can do:
def makes = cars*.make
Java still gets cool shit like instanceof matching, but it's not exactly comparable 😔
olive marlin
There's also spaceship operator - it sounds cool, but is quite lame and idk if I ever used it.
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<=> 
woven otter
spaceship operator. amazing
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it's a thing in PHP, C++, and more langs too
I believe Ruby also has it
Rust also has the uh
backbone I guess
golden gust
I mean, I like kotlin, but, I hate others kotlin
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Ord::cmp returns Ordering which has Less, Equal, and Greater
yea well we hate YOU cat .
golden gust
Like, you get some kotlin devs where it's like, "We switched from java because we really like the language as it has cool things which helps us reduce the LOC, etc"
but, then they'll implement rube goldberg level ext functions
olive marlin
Spaceship operator makes me feel like I'm writing raw C now.
I try to limit ext functions, though they are epic for mocking future api (I simulated invisible frames api in 1.15 so that I could finish and test my plugin before 1.16 dropped - then just need 1 rename).
olive marlin
And I'm guilty of adding ext functions to itemstack to make it into a builder.
golden gust
you are literally everything wrong with the community.
olive marlin
Look, I don't like bukkit api, I need to make my own.
potent fossil
inb4 byof
golden gust
don't get me wrong, ext functions are nice but I don't wanna spend 10 hours tryna decode wtf your ext functions are doing because they're literally littered all over the place and have functionaility going layers deep
potent fossil
paperweight wen
olive marlin
Yeah, I try to keep the extensions clear and only be helper functions.
Port of Mini's itemstack builder into Kotlin using extension functions: https://github.com/Prof-Bloodstone/mcutils/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/dev/bloodstone/mcutils/extensions/itemstack/ItemStack.kt
I try not to do more. I don't want 10 layers deep of extensions.
minor badge
I'm one of those who will use a fair few extensions if they're clear and have clear attachment to the type they're extending
olive marlin
I'll try to make a class extend the class I'm modifying, but it's not always possible or easy.
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fun ItemStack.modifyMeta(block: ItemMeta.() -> Unit): ItemStack {
itemMeta = itemMeta.also(block)
return this
}
fun <M : ItemMeta> ItemStack.modifyMetaAs(block: M.() -> Unit): ItemStack {
itemMeta = (itemMeta as M).also(block)
return this
}
fun BlockStateMeta.modifyState(block: BlockState.() -> Unit): BlockStateMeta {
blockState = blockState.also(block)
return this
}
fun <B : BlockState> BlockStateMeta.modifyStateAs(block: B.() -> Unit): BlockStateMeta {
blockState = (blockState as B).also(block)
return this
}```
these are fun :pmostly cause I always forget setting it back
olive marlin
Sometimes it's way better to just slap a few simple extensions.
minor badge
it'll hopefully be easier now with inline classes
woven otter
Kotlin is hot
worn ember
Cooked duck is hot
vernal moth
Yeah, I try to keep the extensions clear and only be helper functions.
Port of M...
holy shit that was fucking 2014
I see I was already wise back then
never even saw the code on spigot
untold copper
I have far too much free time on my hands
vernal moth
golden gust
so, what, you're getting old and now we gotta get to v3s to deal with your fading mind, or?
vernal moth
nah I started on v2 before
backend was already mostly done
so just gotta do frontend
warm anchor
unreal swift
it doesnt even lag
lemme try 100x100, its gonna kill the server loll
lol you can see the rendering line + it network lags
I think 32x32 is the go-to size
yeah they cause 0 lag
cedar spade
ok
worn ember
toxic pine apple
ashen cliff
Bro.
meager tusk
Bro.
quasi valley
||wait until they realize you basically dos clients when sending more than a few hundred particles at once||
topaz mortar
||2Mbit/s users love your feature.||
ashen cliff
||wait until they realize you basically dos clients when sending more than a few...
We do that using scoreboards bro.
Then complain that Via is causing lag.
meager tusk
We do that using scoreboards bro.
I do that with bossbars bro.
@twin lagoon can confirm.
twin lagoon
eternity 
twin lagoon
warm anchor
?
worn ember
quasi valley
ded toxic
ashen cliff
Just go afk bro.
worn ember
i did
but if ur afk for 5 minutes you get marked as abanoned
at least my team managed to win
ashen cliff
Throw a solid iron cube on your move button then.
worn ember
its all clicking
undone crest
Good morning, is there a Multiplayer One Block Skyblock plugin? (Not Skyblock that is similar to Hypixel btw)
worn ember
you also need to gain xp lol
ashen cliff
Any skyblock plugin that supports custom islands?
meager tusk
Any skyblock plugin that supports custom islands?
Make one bro.
quick pasture
😳
meager tusk
We already have one.
For YugoCraft bro?!
meager tusk
Thank you Bro.
The inclusion of Albania makes me very happy bro. YugoCraft to the moon 🚀
undone crest
yes: https://github.com/BentoBoxWorld/AOneBlock
thank you man, this is worth looking into
may the RNG of real life suddenly bump you into two voluptuous bosoms of a random beautiful lady
quick pasture
👀
twin lagoon
frank 
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michale 
twin lagoon
awa
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awa
meager tusk
Ok
worn ember
Yander i wander
vernal moth
am actually somewhat trying with design for the new version of the mapping viewer 😄
https://i.imgur.com/QeKv3EO.png
https://i.imgur.com/Kc7fjMc.png
ashen cliff
Make it pink.
twin lagoon
colours are too bright mini pls
worn ember
i can help you with that if you want
vernal moth
I need to tweak the colors for the dark theme
worn ember
light theme too tbh, too little contrast
twin lagoon
eh in general you might wanna check the contrast ratio of each colour
worn ember
vernal moth
this is material design colors
worn ember
ok thats nice, but that changes nothing lol
vernal moth
changing colors for dark theme does nothing, lmao
worn ember
its more about the combination of colors
ashen cliff
vernal moth
ill worry about that later
meager tusk
https://www.happyhues.co/palettes/4
that site is SICK what
ashen cliff
Postponed.
worn ember
that site is SICK what
gotta know where to look 😉
quick pasture
frank <a:aPES3_JammingClap:797579041913569310>
golden gust
#TalkToFrank
worn ember
Quite frankly
golden gust
quick pasture
👀
golden gust
#BritbongLand
golden gust
I forgot how weird some of these adverts where
quick pasture
golden gust
I think pretty much every brit knows frank
quick pasture
some are really really bad but some are quite funny kek
ok some are quite weird as well
golden gust
yeaaa...
quasi valley
someof them are great tho hahahaha
quasi valley
what the
golden gust
My schoolyard may or may not have been a prime example of why they banned it or at least tried to, but, basically, you'd just straight up slam somebody and proclaim "you've been tango'd"
quasi valley
a good old slappin
quick pasture
lmao
quasi valley
wtf happened at 6:28 in the talk to frank compilation
(yes I'm watching the entire thing)
quasi valley
pablo the drug mole dog, amazing 
worn ember
weed
spice geyser
What‘s your opinion on MineOS?
ashen cliff
Just use Debian.
spice geyser
😅
wraith oracle
I don't see the need of a specific OS for a minecraft server
spice geyser
It has a nice webfrontend
wraith oracle
do you need a new OS for that tho
wraith trail
I don't see the need of a specific OS for a minecraft server
it's just a web panel distributed specifically on top of a debian image
and a kinda meh one
wraith trail
Is there a webfrontend for controlling paper?
most people use pterodactyl, although there isn't really a super great one
visual egret
just install pterodactyl on debian
wild escarp
tmux + ssh ❤️
spice geyser
Hmm okay i‘ll give ist a try
wraith oracle
the target audience for that OS is people who don't know anything about system management
and those people shouldn't be hosting servers anyways
dusk drift
spice geyser
Any thoughts on LinuxGSM
golden gust
most people in here generally use something like a terminal (using screen/tmux), ptero, or whatever panel their host offers, e.g. multicraft
most of the panels honstly kinda suck but if you're not comfortable with linux, is easier to manage, but still doesn't excuse you from keeping the OS update, etc
spice geyser
Ich use Screen too since 2012 😅
But would like to inform myself about that kind of „administration“
ashen cliff
It's usually harder than just using screen.
Since configs and options get hidden in cursed places.
Not to mention environment variables.
velvet garden
any ideas for our next survival season's prizes? for now i've got
- highest balance in bank
- nicest building (decided by admins)
- most x blocks (haven't decided yet if I do this, diamonds?)
- biggest farm
vernal moth
That's a better question for admincraft
vernal moth
I don't care, they are the same to me
vernal moth
am sorry mbax, but I just never cared for admincraft, so I also dont care for admincraft v2 and the drama around that all
short yarrow
Man I've been spoiled using AWS at work. What did people use before serverless became a thing
vernal moth
I do however care about you 
serverless
lmao
what does your stuff run on, water vapor?
serverless is just a fancy name for vendor locked docker
short yarrow
Yeah serverless isn't really serverless, but ya know. Ahh I see
golden gust
marketeering wank, wooooo
worn ember
how do you make the clouds tho?
vernal moth
u catch it, duh
short yarrow
So with AWS lambda it can be invoked by other lambdas. Can you call functions/communicate with other docker containers like that. I think there's RPC, but don't really know too much about how that works
vernal moth
yes thats just a form of RPC
short yarrow
ahh cool
worn ember
cries in azure
vernal moth
gotta be golden for the price they make you pay for that shit 😂
man, I remember when I first found out that we paid IBM for cpu cycles and laughed really hard
this is the same shit again, now you pay bezos for requests
short yarrow
Man I would love to have a dev ops engineer at work. Maintaining infrastructure sucks. If something goes wrong I gotta fix it
vernal moth
then just rent a kubernetes cluster
nowadays azure and stuff allows you to render a managed kube cluster on "your own" virtual hardware
so you are in full control but dont have to manage shit
thats what we migrating to next year
short yarrow
yes :(. Man I learned nothing about error handling from minecraft lol. Just print stack trace
worn ember
we just build, if nothing fails it automatically goes to production 
vernal moth
My integration test is starting the app and passing health check for most apps 😂
short yarrow
haha jeez
vernal moth
Not worth to do anything else for most apps, release management makes me manually verify anyways
But i do write unittests because it's so much faster
worn ember
yeah, i wanted to write a few too, but boss said its a waste of time
vernal moth
But i don't have great cov, my main app has 35% iirc
worn ember
wont be my ass if shit starts buring
vernal moth
My boss haunts me to write more, we do have a quality gate in sonarqube now
short yarrow
So when using docker or AWS. Do you guys assume that they work as expected and only handle errors in your code or networking issue if you're making API calls?
worn ember
i mostly do design now tho, i do write a few features, but i stay away from anything LINQ related lol
short yarrow
I feel like I overthink about error handling too much
worn ember
we only really handle API errors, and just assume the network works as it should
vernal moth
Never assume it works, lol
vernal moth
short yarrow
Okay so guess I'm not overthinking
vernal moth
Good starting point
worn ember
depens what ur working with i guess
some apps dont warrant that kind of dedication to error handling
worn ember
i know
i work for an app that manages bands and sheets, so if something fails its really not that big of a deal
vernal moth
Console.log("this should never happen");
dim shadow
good morning paper fans 🥱
vernal moth
Do yourself a favor and get rid of all vendor lock-ins
worn ember
we did have an issue where if you were to send out 100emails the front end would time out cuz the back end takes so long to send the emails lol
thats what i'm fixing rn
emails are stupid annoying to deal with
vernal moth
Oh yeah email and sms i do fire and forget and just give the user a retry option
short yarrow
I work at amazon so we use AWS. There's a program to move EVERYTHING we have to AWS
short yarrow
so we can experience AWS like the customer 😄
vernal moth
My condolences
worn ember
yeah, basically what we do now, sendgrid handles most of it for us, its just annoying to validate if everything has arrived
dim shadow
sms is shit (no offense to the big brain that came up wit it) for using i cant imagine what its like actualy workin wit it
short yarrow
I find AWS very convenient but also infuriating sometimes. I did want to learn docker, but never got to it
zealous wedge
I mean, at that point AWS basically counts as an internal system
vernal moth
Sms is actually hella powerful nowadays
worn ember
no one uses it anymore tho, except for validation codes and shit
short yarrow
People who worked in AWS say they're surprised it even works having worked there haha
dim shadow
would anybody like a 🚰 glass of water before i retreat into minceraft for the rest of the morning
vernal moth
Can we trade you for your sister alcoholdrink gorl then?
meager tusk
Water superiority.
dim shadow
yea shes in rehab ;___;
rugged imp
Can you do randomtp with command blocks?
dim shadow
she tried to be the top drinker in the family... but took it too far
dim shadow
Can you do randomtp with command blocks?
i doubt it unless theres a widgety thingy u can type that translates into a random number
id be impressed if it has that actually
rugged imp
Yeah cuz I don't really feel the need for the rtp plugin
But I still want to be able to use it
rugged imp
ok ty
worn ember
just use random teleport smh
dim shadow
actually essentialsx comes with rtp if u already have that
worn ember
you're gonna end up int he ground if you ask me
dim shadow
LOL yea cant do all that safety checks in commandblock
worn ember
dim shadow
a THOUSEND? 😮
wraith trail
8 servers running cb
dim shadow
LOL
warm anchor
Wow ded actual god programmer
worn ember
wtf is x86_64
dim shadow
hey man cb got us thru 2010 all th way thru like 2013 or somth
nothin but ❤️ for crafbukket
wraith trail
another naming for amd64
dim shadow
crafbukket og paper & og spigot
wraith trail
just an older naming for it
wraith trail
if you look at just paper java 11 passed java 8 a week or two ago
spare venture
Nice
worn ember
its still 60% j8 for my plugin
wraith trail
now at 51.1%
worn ember
looks like i'll have to make some breaking changes kappa
void void
india is building their own play store lmao
spare venture
Yeah idk if id use a plugin by ded
void void
since a bit ago
worn ember
is india the new china?
spare venture
Play store?
void void
they are becoming powerful though
cunning raft
they censor a fair bit iirc
void void
but poverty is a big issue in india
spare venture
India is pretty significantly different from China
cunning raft
They have like one giant ISP last I knew (JIO or something)
void void
jio is the reason india has internet lol
cunning raft
Would not surprise me if the government had a lot of control over that
void void
they offer dirt cheap mobile data
dim shadow
lol all the countries that worked hard doing cheap labor for the west for decades finally startin to pay off for them
spare venture
...right
worn ember
so now we move to africa to exploit them instead
void void
LMAO
dim shadow
pre much lol
void void
eastern europe is also cheap labor
worn ember
life gonna get expensive if all nations are finally developed
spare venture
That’s what China is doing. Investing in Africa apparently
Africa is growing very quickly
warm anchor
worn ember
they're just mining africa's resources lol
void void
how's windows on arm doing
worn ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void void
havent heard something about windows on ARm in a bit
wraith oracle
what about it
Windows 10X works on ARM just fine
there's not much to talk about it
lol
wraith oracle
why would you run regular windows on ARM
void void
it's been done before and microsoft is working on it, but really no news on it
the problem is that you can emulate 32bit
but as of recent you can emulate 64bit apps also
but they are staying kinda lowkey
golden gust
last I knew, the perf was abysmal compared to rosetta
apparently microsoft where lookig at making their own chips, however
void void
arm chips?
zealous wedge
no, potato chips
wraith oracle
they were looking into start designing their own chips, more specifically
visual egret
pro coder 😎
wraith oracle
has someone taken a look to Edge's new vertical tabs feature
void void
eww edge
wraith oracle
looks pretty cool to me
wraith oracle
why would I have two browsers open
cedar spade
looks neat if you only run web apps in your browser
wraith oracle
when I can have only one
cedar spade
if you open lots of regular pages in tabs tho, doesn't look like a fun time
wraith oracle
I dislike having a thousand tabs open so that's fine for me
void void
looks good though, chromium is saving edge
wraith oracle
chromium edge is also the best thing that has happened to chromium in a while
wraith oracle
the performance improvements they contributed are pretty nifty, I'd say
vernal moth
yeah been rocking edge full time at work for a few months now, its nice
wraith oracle
I also accidentally left bing as the default search engine
didn't even notice that I wasn't using google lol
vale yacht
Does anyone know a url to get an image of a players head?
cunning raft
hey snow
void void
Does anyone know a url to get an image of a players head?
you'd need an API
wraith oracle
sup, haven't seen you in a while
iron zephyr
Alright, can one of you smart people help someone trying to learn. I have a Github repository I want to compile into a plugin Jar file
Can I do that using git?
zealous wedge
Does anyone know a url to get an image of a players head?
look at crafthead
iron zephyr
I have no idea what I am doing
zealous wedge
git is scm, not a build tool
iron zephyr
I have gradle too
vale yacht
you'd need an API
uff, do you know one?
void void
nope
vale yacht
ok
zealous wedge
Marian read what I said
visual egret
Does anyone know a url to get an image of a players head?
https://crafatar.com/ is what i use for my website
visual egret
you could also just use the Mojang API
visual egret
you can cut them
brave radish
I have gradle too
see Paper readme for gradle configuration; then build from IDE or command line
visual egret
this is something i took from the mojang api and made bigger with python
i also overlaid the helmet onto the head
brave radish
Alright, can one of you smart people help someone trying to learn. I have a Gith...
oh wait is this your repo or someone else's?
iron zephyr
Someone else's
visual egret
do they use maven or gradle
iron zephyr
A plugin went inactive - someone put in a PR that fixed a critical issue. I cloned the repository and merged the PR, but now I can't figure out how to make it a plugin
This is my first time doing all this stuff haha
I appreciate y'all
vale yacht
this is something i took from the mojang api and made bigger with python
for now I'll stick to the one you send me. But for the future I may take a closer look to that
sorry if i ping you
brave radish
ohhh then yeah they probably have instructions or, better yet, just a prebuilt version. Else, they probably have gradle/maven config files already in the repo, else (or if those are old) look at Paper's readme and use that config / just have IntelliJ do it for you :)
(also send a link to the repo if I'm not making sense)
visual egret
you can usually just run \.gradlew clean build if its a gradle project
iron zephyr
Gotcha, thank you both. So: here is the inactive project (https://github.com/Blackixx/BSP-PlayerShops)
You can see it has two PRs that fix it, but the dev will never add because it is inactive
Here is my version (https://github.com/J-SHarper/BSP-PlayerShops)
I (attempted?) to merge the PRs, and am now stuck googling and trying to figure out what to do next 😄
brave radish
^
iron zephyr
What is IntelliJ?
visual egret
👀
brave radish
IDE that you should use for everything (Re: "What is IntelliJ?")
zealous wedge
fancy text editor with good autocomplete
iron zephyr
Ah cool, thanks. So I need to install this (https://maven.apache.org/)
Then point it at the directory and run mvn clean assemble?
zealous wedge
correct
iron zephyr
can it pull from the github without having the files on my computer?
zealous wedge
you'll need to make sure you have a JDK installed, not just a JRE
golden gust
it's a build tool
zealous wedge
no, git and maven are unrelated
brave radish
clone the (your) git repo to get the code; compile it with maven
golden gust
open a command promt in the folder you cloned/downloaded the thing into
mvn clean package
ez
iron zephyr
Okay, thanks! this stuff is complicated for us non-software people 😄
brave radish
also, I don't know all what that plugin does, but I would assume that there are better plugins that are already updated for what you want, as shops are a very common thing
and if no one is updating it you probably don't want to stay on it
iron zephyr
^ I'm just trying to switch away from it, honestly
All the kids stuff got stuck on it when we updated. I just want them to be able to get their stuff so I can switch plugins
Oh no, Maven is not a one-click install. I have to do stuff 😅
brave radish
cough cough why we should still use package managers cough cough
fallen oracle
Man, that's pretty deep.
vernal moth
excluded the parent field, now I at least dont crash anymore
but I got a stackoverflow 😄
vernal moth
am on java 16 now 😄
worn ember
fair
i have this assignment due to Wednesday but i cant do much until my group partner finishes our BPM scheme. Gotta love group projects
shouldve been finished 2 weeks ago
i can write a baseline, but everything is based around the scheme so i need it to form conclusions lol
ancient bolt
tsrg is pretty efficient
worn ember
xml
wraith oracle
may I ask, what is tsrg
a google search didn't really provide much info unless we're talking about the schreiber research group
zealous wedge
mapping file format
vernal moth
uuhm
golden gust
?ban @void void Not the place for that
leaden oxideBOT
Jessica 558#7464 was banned | Not the place for that
wild escarp
woven otter
not the place for what
limber knotBOT
trying to get someone to buy them minecraft
woven otter
lame
limber knotBOT
and not even real minecraft, but bedrock
ancient bolt
bedrock is real minecraft
limber knotBOT
i won't accept it as real minecraft :p
wraith oracle
it is the better version of Minecraft then
woven otter
java edition is the only real minecraft
void void
You have a 1tb ssd / ryzen 9 3900x / 64gb ram server, and you have the option to extend it with one of these options, which would you choose?
You have 4-5 small servers including a modded ftb one.
servers are growing and there is slight lag sometimes.
points are given when the bill is paid, get about 120 points per month, and can be redeemed with these options. dedicated server is fine at this moment. Not expecting to buy these yet, but eventually. both an ssd and more ram could be nice, but which one? that's what I'm conflicted with.
left swift
Bedrock minecraft is the minecraft at home when u ask ur mom to buy you minecraft at the store
wraith trail
You have a 1tb ssd / ryzen 9 3900x / 64gb ram server, and you have the option t...
no one sane will answer that question. Depends what you need, depends how much you are using. What is a "point"? Why are your costs measured in points? Do you even need to upgrade anythign etc.
void void
edited
wraith trail
forgot rs did that
void void
it's lovely tbh
wraith trail
But in the same sense as before, this isn't really a question someone can answer for you as they don't know your exact needs/priorities or future plans
golden gust
I mean
twin lagoon
reliablesite 
golden gust
you're assuming that any of those are directly related to performance
you need to work out where your bottleneck is
void void
servers are fine, no bottleneck yet. this is more or less for the future.
golden gust
you'll likely out-fox the CPU before you run out of ram unless you're planning to add more servers
twin lagoon
in the future you'd want to move away from RS
void void
in the future you'd want to move away from RS
I don't know about you but they set me up a custom server that's VERY affordable, the support has been nothing but patient and nice, and this points perk is really nice.
wraith trail
yeah that's what I mean about future plans, just more players and you'd need a better cpu before anything. More servers and you might need more memory but who knows, i'm not you
twin lagoon
define affordable
golden gust
I mean, is your "slight lag" server performance related?
void void
what's better then ryzen 9 3900?
void void
yeah that's true but that's due to a plugin, CrazyEnchantment \
untold copper
though i always keep off site backups
wraith trail
hmm yes all reliable backup places
twin lagoon
wraith trail
google drive and your pc at home
twin lagoon
he is
untold copper
where else would you keep "off-site" backups
google drive is pretty reliable
right?
...?
twin lagoon
object storage and a separate storage server
wraith trail
I mean somewhere that is actually designed for backups at the first place/is not google drive/onedrive or any other of the like
worn ember
in a moist environment on paper
wraith trail
although unlimited google drive from edu is nice, I stick a ton of junk there
golden gust
I hiiiiightly doubt that you're maintaining a decent form of backup strategy on something as limited as google drive
worn ember
although unlimited google drive from edu is nice, I stick a ton of junk there
rubba has like 1tb of storage on google drive 
untold copper
I mean somewhere that is actually designed for backups at the first place/is not...
so onedrive is a better storage alternative than google drive for backups?
void void
oh, you're one of those types of people
that's what we're seeing. based on the reviews and all. but yes it's probably other things, it's just what timings is showing. I feel like we're fairly optimized. I could always be wrong.
golden gust
I mean, unless you're paying for it, the limit is pretty meh
All cloud storage is trash
untold copper
ok
golden gust
you're relying on propietry APIs to upload your crap
golden gust
APIs which one day they could just say "fuck it, we don't want people using this"
worn ember
so paper?
golden gust
unless they got some official tool somewhere, but, like, ouch
untold copper
Cat where would you backup your server?
void void
I said **not** onedrive/anything like google drive
well, im paying for 1tb gdrive for our backups plus paying for a backup server, it's not so bad.
golden gust
I mean, do as I say, not as I do
untold copper
Just asking :P
golden gust
in the golden days, I used to just have a storage VPS which had a decent disk for what I was storing
golden gust
if I wasn't broke, I'd be using s3, etc
I'd basically be aiming to use anything which a sane tool supports
twin lagoon
@olive marlin send kabanos
golden gust
rsnapshot, etc
twin lagoon
xoxo
untold copper
I see
ancient bolt
b2 is cheaper
twin lagoon
depends
untold copper
I mean, google drive does the trick for me
idk what might/might not work for you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void void
gdrive is nice
wraith trail
Just because it works does not mean it's a good idea
untold copper
you're probably better off listening to everyone here and then considering your options
golden gust
fwiw, by, "one of those types of people", I mean, the type of people who has something clearly hurting their server to all shit, is well known for being. a performance nightmare, and they keep it because muh pretti and basically wonder why their performance is ass and how they can fix it
twin lagoon
@ancient bolt does backblaze have EU servers already
might have to pick it up for personal backups
ancient bolt
yeah in amsterdam
untold copper
(pro tip: listen to cat)
void void
But I would go with 2 backup solutions instead of 1.Recently learned that the hard way.
twin lagoon
the 3-2-1 backup rule 
untold copper
Just because it works does not mean it's a good idea
wraith trail
what I more mean by that is I can't recommend you do that, and wouldn't do that myself
golden gust
"suuure, we can get away without one once, right"
quasi valley
michael my favorite sysadmin
wraith trail
that's too much for even me to do
void void
Yeah, me too. Like using root for everything.
quasi valley
_line
wraith trail
well no I don't do that either
twin lagoon
michael my favorite sysadmin
wraith trail
stop doing that
void void
I'm kidding
golden gust
oh god
void void
Only sometimes
wraith trail
ok good
golden gust
I had an accident on my iMac other week
untold copper
i UsE WiNdOwS
golden gust
I disabled the password on sudo
left swift
Cat is our little pogchamp
untold copper
lol
void void
Have you guys tried the new windows terminal with wsl?? plus zsh?? it's really good.
void void
i don't think it matters
golden gust
that's literally what wsl is
void void
mhm
twin lagoon
it is fantastic
dim shadow
windows sucks for anything development related
100% not tru
untold copper
ok
twin lagoon
snoopa may or may not have said something sensible for the first time in a very long time
undone crest
how can I make a loop using if then
quasi valley
yeah "ok" truly was something we cant argue with
untold copper
after using windows to do nothing BUT make a simple python script
golden gust
I LOVE THE COMPLETE CONTEXT YOU GIVE THERE
twin lagoon
kenny 🥺
wraith trail
how can I make a loop using **if then**
your gonna have to elaborate on that
dim shadow
<-- 30+ year windows dev ill fite u
untold copper
(and as cat said, use a reliable tool, but lets be honest, who does that /s)
void void
Regarding my question, I feel like getting the 256 GB SSD will be more worth it now that I'm thinking about it, plus for some reason players really like dynmap and modded server takes up so much space on it's own. So moving that into a separate ssd would probably help all of the servers.
undone crest
how do we backup a minecraft world btw? should I just TAR the entire folder it runs at?
left swift
<-- 30+ year windows dev ill fite u
Hahaha
dim shadow
how do we backup a minecraft world btw? should I just TAR the entire folder it r...
tgz* but yea
untold copper
how do we backup a minecraft world btw? should I just TAR the entire folder it r...
save off, let chunk queue clear, tar/zip/tgz, save on
golden gust
I mean, if you wanna save even more space and are backing up to a supported system, use rsnapshot
or rdiff-backup
undone crest
alright thanks! trolling is a art
untold copper
an*
wraith trail
you don't even seem like a troll
dim shadow
@untold copper damn.. that must be why my tar keeps sayin error file was modified as we read it
wraith trail
these are better than 50% of questions here
void void
I mean, if you wanna save even more space and are backing up to a supported syst...
Already have a backup server if that's what you mean.
untold copper
<@!607087286768631818> damn.. that must be why my tar keeps sayin error file was...
remember when I was making the python script thingy?
dim shadow
yea
untold copper
that's why I went through all that trouble to switch off the minecraft server first
golden gust
You mean being stupid?
untold copper
yea :D
golden gust
I mean, I never knew you stopped
dim shadow
ooooo LOL
vernal moth
[Vue warn]: Error in mounted hook: "TypeError: t.contains is not a function"
untold copper
first ever github repo btw
vernal moth
I will never get this right first try
minor badge
stop doing that then