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#general
potent fossil
spiral robin
Hello z
mental meadow
hello
upper flicker
:peepoClapJammin:
upper flicker
oh god
mental meadow
best subreddit
twin lagoon
@mental meadow 
spiral robin
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/lsethd/mom_can_we_get_business...
krusic irl
mental meadow
twin lagoon
literally @ashen cliff
mighty storm
wasnt reddit down yesterday
cunning raft
yes
potent fossil
between what hours? i was using it
mental meadow
mighty storm
uhh it was like 3-4 pm cst
potent fossil
oh ok i was asleep at that time
mighty storm
💤
tidal ravine
hi
mental meadow
simple needs his beauty sleep
tidal ravine
I m new in learning java and I try to make a player event that do a sound do somone know what the event name is called ? so player.soundmessage for example
or is there a way to find all playerevents
mighty storm
perfectly balanced
mental meadow
mighty storm
@tidal ravine
mental meadow
But #paper-dev
tidal ravine
Thanks a lot
mighty storm
:3
worn ember
quick game of dota 2 before bed i thought
potent fossil
ded moment
ancient bolt
God my windows partition is just barely staying together at this point
Need to rebuild soon but it's impossible to buy any components right now
worn ember
That’s some high kill count
its a long game too
true canyon
quick game of dota 2 before bed i thought
Techies?
spiral robin
bax 
true canyon
oof
true canyon
bax <:GWcmeisterPeepoLove:403295311189245952>
👋
crystal compass
is it safe for me to update from java 8 to 11
like nothing could potential break my shit
spiral robin
Backup first ofc
potent fossil
i mean you should be running regular backups anyway
ancient bolt
I can't say not to back up
but I will say I wouldn't bother to back up just for upgrading java 8 to java 11
potent fossil
yeah i don't see a need simply for that, but in general backing up is good practice if you have none i would at least have at least one regardless kek
upper flicker
I always recommend backing up before doing anything demon or simple tell you to do however
ancient bolt
get the covid vaccine
spiral robin
demon 
warm anchor
Demon you underestimate people's ability to fuck things up lol
untold copper
good morning uwuwuwuwu
magic river
I'm kind of surprised how far along https://pcsx4.com/ appears to be
It just uses virtualization for the CPU and Vulkan or Metal to emulate the GPU API
Dunno if they run the PS4 "firmware" directly or do high level emulation of it
Probably run it directly because who wants to write an OS?
ancient bolt
ill probably be able to emulate a ps5 before I'll be able to buy one at a sane price
viral hornet
Fuck the sane price, I just cannot find stock anywhere lol
Following a twitter account that alerts when there's stock online/in-store at places here, but they still sell out in minutes.
gleaming finch
limpid comet
all i want is a switch
spare venture
It’s relatively obtainable in the US
Not easy but much easier than other countries
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@viral hornet what do you want?
some stores over here still have low & high end GPUs & CPUs; nothing middle-end, and shipping is fairly expensive, though
upper flicker
do your stores have tacos though?
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yes
upper flicker
well then what are you still doing here
upper flicker
coarse lily
some stores over here still have low & high end GPUs & CPUs; nothing middle-end,...
3080?
vital flax
Hola alguien de los staff habla español?
viral hornet
<@171898972330262538> what do you want?
sorry lol, I didn't see this on my phone 😂
But wanting a PS5
warm anchor
I've seen 3090 here but I decided that I rather suffer with my slow 2080ti /s
true canyon
One of these days I'm getting a 3080...
potent fossil
Hola alguien de los staff habla español?
no, este es un servidor ingles. use el traductor google :)
vital flax
Hello please help, On my server I have sharpness 15 swords and all the settings at lvl 15, but look, I have a sharpness 15 sword and I hit a full skin player, it kills him with 2 hits and I would have to kill him with 1 hit and do much more damage, please help
[Traductor Google]
wraith oracle
así que, tenes espadas con sharpness 15 pero por alguna razón no matan de un solo golpe?
so, you're saying you have sharpness 15 swords in your server, and they should kill the player with a single hit but they don't?
also, use #paper-help (even though this doesn't seem like a paper issue)
potent fossil
paper-help is general server support so that's good
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sorry lol, I didn't see this on my phone 😂
But wanting a PS5
can't find anything newer than PS4 :/
warm anchor
Same here lol 3090 in stock everything else empty
mighty storm
1181 hour uptime isnt bad right
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there are some sold secondhand, but the prices aren't too sane lol
mighty storm
i had 50 years once
wraith oracle
why would anyone buy a 3090
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1.5k EUR for a MSI 3080 Suprim X if anyone wants though kek
wraith oracle
it is like buying a threadripper for a gaming pc
viral hornet
can't find anything newer than PS4 :/
Yeah, it's bullshit. I'm happy to wait until June though, because that's when Ratchet & Clank comes out and that's what I'm sweating over 👀
golden gust
god, joys of being a council estate
I played the demo on the ps2 like, far too many times
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@viral hornet there are some secondhand here, but still bad prices at 850-ish€
viral hornet
Jesus
coarse lily
nope, but 3090s are!
What about 6900? :)
coarse lily
Friend has been looking. Lemme ask if he thinks that's worth it:)
limpid comet
hi proxi and ocelot
golden gust
everytime I see that nick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4FpJ-PSnpQ
limpid comet
i forgot this was even my nick
golden gust
what don't you forget these days
next you're gonna forget that this ain't your grass
limpid comet
my brain is mush
coarse lily
Hey blue
limpid comet
untold copper
can someone tell me what tf is alpha and beta
untold copper
what do they doooo
golden gust
i like the part where you gave some form of remote context
untold copper
I have no idea where they came from in class
.-.
last class we were doing ez stuff
now we're here doing alpha and beta
golden gust
yes, and we tooootallly know what class you're in...
untold copper
these 2 are alpha and beta apparently
oooooh
so we don't have to know what they are
we are just assuming them to be zeros of a quadratic polynomial
smh why this is confusing
minor badge
those are hieroglyphics
golden gust
ye an ur a potatis
untold copper
those are hieroglyphics
ikr
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if this is mathematics, they're just unassigned variables
limpid comet
shut up blue
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in physics & probably chemistry, they're sometimes assigned with some constant some smart person found out a couple hundred years ago
limpid comet
e
untold copper
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employee
limpid comet
thats very epic
that means benefits right
someone i know was a contractor and they couldn't get benefits
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tonnes of them, yes
warm anchor
Proxi being epic 
limpid comet
ok here's a question
if i learn kotlin will that help me understand gradle build scripts
because i cannot understand them at all
coarse lily
Haha
golden gust
I mean, it's like java
minor badge
perhaps a bit
golden gust
syntax is one thing
limpid comet
its the syntax i have problems with
minor badge
it's mostly syntax ^
golden gust
understanding how the shit it's all bolted together and what on the hell of a... chemical assistance... the dev was on
minor badge
properties are java beans, getProp, setProp with pretty syntax
closures are just lambdas; it is the single argument
extensions are "pretend I'm T"
nullability is Optional<T>
limpid comet
cat wtf is that from
proxi that helps a bit
thank you
i think i'm gonna try writing my school project's backend in kotlin
just to learn it
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and remember that {} always creates a closure if it's not attached to special syntax such as if, when, when, fun
this means kotlin { println("wee") }
will never print "wee"
golden gust
from some discord am in full of nerds basically
limpid comet
so what you're saying is that code would kinda be the same as doing this in javascript?
(() => {
console.log("hi");
});
yes
golden gust
dumcord that bigclive preaches about in his streams
minor badge
it's never called, so never ran
minor badge
you can use the invoke operator (x()), or a variant of the run method (run {})
the run method exists as run, let, apply, and also, which all do different things but also the same thing
and wait till we get to delegates, you'll hate those :D
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@coarse lily smh open your server to the public already
void void
we do be lookin doe
untold copper
you can try wafflecraft
untold copper
yeah its vanilla
void void
basic SMP
untold copper
yes
void void
how may people?
void void
bet ip?
vital flax
Does anyone know why I get these errors and the sv shuts down sometimes they appear and not shut down?
https://hatebin.com/mrctksbqmh
Es de paper
coarse lily
Does anyone know why I get these errors and the sv shuts down sometimes they app...
You should probably ask in the Purpur Discord, as you're running Purpur and not paper.
lean kiln
and in purpur they will tell you to ask the dev of whatever net.brcdev.shopgui is
coarse lily
And fix whatever that HolographicDisplays error is
magic river
bigclive has streams?
magic river
He looks pretty much exactly how I thought he would
golden gust
he shaves with a funnel too
magic river
Maybe not as many wrinkles but I guess that just means he isn't a welder and/or doesn't smoke
lean kiln
A British TV licence is NOT required to view my videos or almost every other video on YouTube.
wow I thought I needed one
golden gust
BBC would tell you you had to if they could
lean kiln
kek
magic river
You can always tell welders cheat on their mask because the have farmer tans and wrinkles
golden gust
apparently some woman was told that she'd be breaking the law if people with a license watched sports, etc in her house on their mobiles
so, you know, sorta makes sense why he would have that there
el bastardos
magic river
The TV license folks are like the mafia, they pretend they have power and try to push you around
Unlike the mafia they won't burn your house down or break your legs for telling them to fuck off
spiral robin
understanding how the shit it's all bolted together and what on the hell of a......
What
golden gust
am saying that the people who designed some stuff in gradle where probably taking a little something when designing stuff
coarse lily
I think he's implying that people do drugs and write bad code
magic river
That's the sex, weed, and booze chill channel 😛
golden gust
You got a license for that?
lean kiln
sadly i live in california so yes
I think I got confused about what license you were talking about though
zealous wedge
gradle is an experience
lean kiln
it is indeed
golden gust
well, tv, and was kinda a joke about the age verification for adult content that the UK was proposing
potent fossil
what about me @spiral robin
limber knotBOT
you're not allowed to sleep yet
golden gust
I was gonna joke and say to set you both on fire and then I dropped my keyboard on my foot, sooo...
potent fossil
gg
spiral robin
u too @potent fossil peepo heart wave
potent fossil
bye qt
minor badge
simple is also an experience 
golden gust
That's what she said
spiral robin
@minor badge @minor badge @minor badge @minor badge @minor badge @minor badge 
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spiral robin
spiral robin
ashen cliff
literally <@!219443401974611970>
Now that's epic.
void void
is there a way to downgrade a map?
mental meadow
Load a backup
mental meadow
Also good morning (?)
winter inlet
Good morning
spiral robin
23:11 
mental meadow
I haven't slept yet but it's morning now
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potent fossil
thank u <3
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mental meadow
Gib Gib Gib
olive marlin
visual egret
sup
untold copper
hai
visual egret
now im learning docker because pterodactyl exists
olive marlin
Docker is nice. And have surprisingly good docs for most of the features.
minor badge
"surprisingly good"
a huge portion of the software industry uses it, so it does make sense
olive marlin
A huge portion also uses Ansible and their docs are a mess. Though would be nice to know exact numbers to compare.
limber knotBOT
Didn't they say that DockerHub's data usage was up in the petas?
It's at least no small number 😄
olive marlin
Apparently 15PB of images, but that doesn't mean much. Some people are just stupid and make 5GB docker images and push them from each CI build (had that happen sadly)
vernal moth
Worth noting that 15PB isn't actually that much
olive marlin
And that also doesn't say how much people are actually exposed to docker.
Since it's what matters when talking about documentation.
untold copper
Worth noting that 15PB isn't actually that much
looks at krusic
vernal bone
Hello! If someone here rooted a phone before, I have a few questions:
- What is the safest way of doing it?
- Which application would you recommend if the method requires one?
cosmic raft
morning
potent fossil
just go on xda-developers, find your phone model, and open a rooting guide
vernal bone
There is a billion tutorials on YouTube, I can't decide which one is the best.
potent fossil
use xda-developers, not youtube
vernal bone
Okay, thank you! 👍
limber knotBOT
it became harder to root your phone these days... SafetyNet is one of the biggest threats since it blocks a lot of stuff...
also A/B Rom phones are a pain to work with
can't we go back to android 4.4 times and just root our phones with "KingRoot" lol
vernal bone
I've got a few options
minor badge
can confirm, magisk is the best way nowadays
vernal bone
Oh, it's open source too.. Thank you, I think I will go with Magisk than
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/
vernal moth
Magisk is also somewhat good at fooling securitynet, but idk what the state of that is nowadays
limber knotBOT
Google updated the Secnet in new versions and afaik Magisk cannot stop it atm
mental meadow
Magisk is also somewhat good at fooling securitynet, but idk what the state of t...
McDonalds Antiroot is not fooled by it tho!
twin lagoon
what part of DO sucks
cosmic raft
The fact they (used to?) only give you 16 IPv6 addresses
cosmic raft
Yes they 100% did
cosmic raft
and yes
still only 16
Enabling IPv6 on a Droplet gives you access to its 16 additional IPv6 addresses.
cosmic raft
Unique hostnames for each address, useful for IRC and other things where hostnames are visible to users
twin lagoon
imagine using ipv6 
ashen cliff
Nice slide.
limber moth
Gta V - Berlin edition <a:PepeLaugh:692513738426941501>
lol
vernal moth
It's hamburg ^^
The sentence at the end is the best
"junge der hat das Polizeiauto gerippt" 😂
They got him btw
but at what cost
tranquil bone
Electric, the peer issue got "solved" by assigning a subdomain to the server address. Using cloudflare. Is this because most ISPs got CloudFlare cached?
I am now quite happy with the package we got from ReliableSite
Thought you might be interested in knowing : -)
Only issue is that we have to assign subdomains for those who want to host with us. Trying to figure out a better way to tackle this issue as some may want to have their raw address pinged in one second instead of five.
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel
ashen cliff
I assume he couldn't just run him over / hit him, since the car auto engages brakes. 🤔
meager tusk
I assume he couldn't just run him over / hit him, since the car auto engages bra...
That sucks bro!
ashen cliff
Bro!
Balkan cars don't have this kind of "NEW" technology.
But we do have adaptive cruise control from 2005.
meager tusk
Balkan cars don't need "NEW" technology bro.
ashen cliff
Just put a "CIGEL" on that gas pedal.
meager tusk
We have 1989 Mercedes Benz bro.
olive garden
.g cigel
ashen cliff
700k or nothing.
twin lagoon
krusic have you seen the balkan internet switch i sent yesterday
meager tusk
Best* bro.
limber knotBOT
Michale sux
twin lagoon
wtf 
olive garden
I have never driven a car with cruise control 😢
ashen cliff
Bro. I see everything bro.
twin lagoon
meager tusk
Yes bro.
ashen cliff
Always.
meager tusk
Everywhere. Not just on highway bro.
ashen cliff
Red!
olive garden
you guys are crazy
meager tusk
Fact!
meager tusk
you guys are crazy
YOLO bro.
ashen cliff
you guys are crazy
Bro. Just come to Balkan. We will show you around.
olive garden
which country in specific?
meager tusk
Balkan.
ashen cliff
Yes.
olive garden
did you do the impossible and unite the Balkan region?
ashen cliff
Always united bro!
meager tusk
did you do the impossible and unite the Balkan region?
What is Balkan region? Every "balkan country" is autonomous province of Balkan.
olive garden
ah
ashen cliff
Also don't forget bro! Always start in third gear.
olive garden
happens from time to time, I guess that's what I get for being Balkan's neighbor
meager tusk
Also don't forget bro! Always start in third gear.
Yes bro. And don't use turn signal.
olive garden
okay, I do not wish to go to Balkan
ashen cliff
Bro! What is a turn signal? Is that the thing Elon promoted on Twitter?
meager tusk
And when someone honk at you stop, drag them out, and beat them up bro.
Bro, Mitteleuropa say "good for driving" or something but they drive 5kmph so don't care too much for them bro.
olive garden
I think that's the US, not central europe
meager tusk
No bro. That's everyone except Balkan.
meager tusk
okay, I do not wish to go to Balkan
Yes you do bro.
meager tusk
Fact!
worn ember
@slim nymph i have a question regarding emails. What flags emails as spam? We currently have an application that goes through sendgrid, but we noticed a lot of our mails end up in the junk/spam folder depending on the inbox (provider?). Would getting a dedicated ip for the mails solve this at all? I'm asking since that feature is at least 80euro/m and then whatever extra for x amount of mails. And since you're working in the business i figured i'd ask you 
vernal moth
Basically magic
Email suck so much
Might be worth to check your email content on one of those spam Check Sites
Since that's also something they flag, not just the infrastructure
ashen cliff
Also tell the providers you aren't spam.
olive marlin
DED just put too much sand in his grid.
worn ember
so yeah we think it might be the fact we share ip's with other users that use it for malicious intent
vernal moth
Try smth like this https://www.mail-tester.com/
worn ember
Try smth like this https://www.mail-tester.com/
worn ember
yeah
visual egret
port fowarding is hurt
vernal moth
Ok nevermind 9.9/10
ashen cliff
What's the missing 0.1?
vernal moth
No DKMI
vernal moth
Well DMARC
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mfw gandi cucked me again
this time my existing username is too long for their login page
twin lagoon
proxi 😔
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here's to hoping resetting password automatically logs me in...
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it's checked on their side
visual egret
wtf
limber knotBOT
mfw hating on open source software
limber knotBOT
thank god LibreOffice works pretty good
I've used it for 15 years exclusively and never had issues lol
vernal moth
Thank God I don't need to use any office related shit anymore
olive marlin
why do they even allow it to register then lol
There's a website that allows you to look through everyday food boxes from different providers (not sure how to best translate it).
It allows you to create account with email alias (email containing + sign) and logs you in automatically. You can use the service and get emails normally. You can reset your password just fine too. The only thing you can't do when you have such email is log in xD
limber knotBOT
or whenever open office came out lol
vernal moth
It all sucks and IJ is much better
ashen cliff
Add more than 60 images to a single slide. 
merry talon
<@!116069450662412295> i have a question regarding emails. What flags emails as ...
a dedicated IP could actually work against you in some cases
limber knotBOT
also at least suggest OnlyOffice instead of gdocs lmao
merry talon
only thing I can suggest is switching to postmark
sendgrid and the other free services are used a lot for spam
a $10 monthly fee can help mitigate that
worn ember
we already have everything set up with sandgrid, i dont think we'll be switching anyway
sendgrid?
idk
words are hard
untold copper
Why won't google lemme access this
ashen cliff
limber knotBOT
I mean, the error says so?
cosmic raft
learn to read
potent fossil
lol
limber knotBOT
have you tried giving yourself access?
warm anchor
worn ember
have you tried yeeting yourself
untold copper
have you tried giving yourself access?
working on it lol
shouldn't I be having access to my own account tho
by default?
warm anchor
Not if it’s under parental control runs
untold copper
worn ember
@warm anchor are you gonna watch dragons blood when it comes out?
worn ember
dead men tell no tales
warm anchor
Heheee
worn ember
its been a good day
untold copper
yay
worn ember
VERY COOL
visual egret
life is hell
vernal moth
What you working with kash?
waxen panther
cosmic raft
What you working with kash?
Trying how to create grammar/lexer for something
but that is impossible, jeez
cosmic raft
hoooooowwww
quasi valley
yes
visual egret
hi kneny
quasi valley
hello oskar
visual egret
whats up
cosmic raft
alright
next frost
you want to define a grammar for a file format?
cosmic raft
define grammar/lexer for a scripting language basically :P
next frost
existing scripting language?
cosmic raft
yes @next frost
vernal moth
The grammar is generate by right clicking somewhere iirc
And you need a intellij plugin dev plugin
next frost
seems like there's an antlrv4 adapter, so if there's an antlr grammar you probably can use that
cosmic raft
There is no existing grammar for it
next frost
oof
vernal moth
Iirc i had to right click on one file and it generates something
Or what no i think that bnf is what you write
It's the grammar
vernal moth
The first things are config options, where you define java classes
cosmic raft
let me IM you something
vernal moth
Then you define tokens
And but them together to expressions
This seems like a smallish grammar
next frost
that looks super chaotic without syntax highlighting
vestal jasper
^
vestal jasper
MMM
next frost
At that point they should probably think about making it multi file
But I think it wouldn't be that bad with syntax highlighting
austere ivy
an mc server with 120k+ average users on a daily basis, yeah that about makes sense to me
cosmic raft
It shows a random company afaik
worn ember
"online gaming" more like minecraft
visual egret
doesent appear to randomise it unless its stored in cookies or something
vernal moth
Hypixel was basically driving that CloudFlare product, it was like created for them, or with them at least
cosmic raft
I'm not writing a compiler :P
I just want to be able to have IntelliJ syntax highlight it, and then maybe add completion suggestions after
vernal moth
Yeah i know
But it's similar, the parser and Lexers are pretty much the same i guess
cosmic raft
I have no clue where to begin
I cannot even find a BNF file for the Java language
nor Kotlin
austere ivy
what the heck happened here?
cunning raft
probably everyone saying the exact same thing
austere ivy
excellent deduction
next frost
the jls uses a bnf style syntax for their grammar
muted storm
probably everyone saying the exact same thing
but... but... that's the glory of Reddit...
It's like when someone says "nice". There has to be a massive chain of just "nice"
waxen panther
yeah its so funny when they say the same thing again 😀
cosmic raft
bah
waxen panther
i like it when one of them randomly gets downvoted its so hilarious !
cosmic raft
feel like giving up with this
vestal jasper
It's kashike what aren't they doing
austere ivy
and also hi stef :)
muted storm
i like it when one of them randomly gets downvoted its so hilarious !
Reddit culture
wide chasm
Do you, like, need advanced highlighting? Cause if not, IntelliJ has an option to generate some super basic highlighting depending on the file type.
vestal jasper
slim nymph
<@!116069450662412295> i have a question regarding emails. What flags emails as ...
yes, the public smtp servers get used for spam, im having issue with mailgun too where a mailgun ip is blacklisted. so yeah dedicated ip can help ensure your reputation isnt tarnished by spammers using same service
worn ember
its not really blacklisted tho, at least not on the blacklists that were shown on the mail validation site
unless they use different criteria
cosmic raft
what’re you doing?
Trying to write BNF grammar for an existing scripting language
next frost
is there any documented grammar for that lang?
austere ivy
Trying to write BNF grammar for an existing scripting language
which scripting language? and also good luck ;p that sounds pretty hard lol
velvet garden
ok, money talk. if you had to choose, would you sell your VIP packages as subscription-based or one-time purchases?
untold copper
subscription based
velvet garden
i'm trying to decide but I can't lmao
worn ember
monthly guarantees more steady income, whereas one time could be higher price so guaranteed one time income
austere ivy
subscription based if you want to make money and also make everyone hate you
low subscription based might work fine though
untold copper
^
worn ember
depends what you have to offer
cosmic raft
ok, money talk. if you had to choose, would you sell your VIP packages as subscr...
both!
I saw a server last year that offered both - I think it was one rank that was one-time, and another that was subscription based
subscription-based on gave new pets that followed you around as they were released or something
visual egret
plugin jars
untold copper
now I can just copy paste a bat from somewhere and run it using task scheduler
untold copper
_plugin jars_
made it cos i kept losing jars in my downloads folder
austere ivy
I saw a server last year that offered both - I think it was one rank that was on...
hypixel does that too! it seems to be working pretty well for them
untold copper
yeah it works for them
wraith oracle
hypixel does that too! it seems to be working pretty well for them
I bought VIP+ lifetime when it was like 70% off, and they often have pretty good deals
but then again, it is hypixel
untold copper
then make it subscription based
when you have tons of money
make it like hypogxel
visual egret
the best way to accept payments at the moment is tebex or what
untold copper
craftingstore i would suggest
worn ember
make your own
visual egret
ya know i thought that at first
then i realised my code would be in charge of peoples payments
untold copper
worn ember
you could use paypals api
not much that can go wrong there
either it works or it doesnt
visual egret
bro wut
visual egret
craftingstore i would suggest
sad
waxen panther
velvet garden
I saw a server last year that offered both - I think it was one rank that was on...
Yeah, I was thinking about this too. The only problem is that our serves is (at least for now) purely a survival server, so options there would be a bit limited
ALTHOUGH
Mojang did loosen the commercial usage guidelines a while back, should probably familiarize myself with the updates..
ashen cliff
MFW out server is the only server in our country that still has permanent ranks.
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sure
void void
so here, I'm writing a bot that should be able to centralize user and verification handling, for umm, some things
I want to be able to take the group in json, and load the user and the reason as to why they're verified
I manage to get it set up where I could load the users and what groups they are verified in, but I'm trying to reverse it
see, i want to reverse it so it can be like
Found User @foo verified in group @bar for reason: pizza
maybe i'm not explaining this properly
see, this is kinda what i want to do
but it's not, because like
the "reason" string isn't binded to the user "user", that's just like, counted as another user
you know?
would this be what i want?
or maybe, alternatively
i can create a new json file for each group, and then just store it like username and reason
yeah maybe that's what i want
worn ember
i have no clue what ur saying tbh
void void
void void
i have no clue what ur saying tbh
yeah i don't know
i have issues putting what i want into words
uhh ok
nvm i might know how to do this
ashen cliff
Cursed associative arrays.
austere ivy
I genuinely don’t understand memes like this
maybe I’ve had it too good with Java and intelllij but if I remove a piece of code that other code relies on, even without IntelliJ’s clear indexing and whatnot, Java’s compiler gives me clear explanation of what went wrong
zealous wedge
why would people want to hear software student memes anyways
void void
Cursed associative arrays.
wdym?
visual egret
what if you cause a bug and not an error brian
zealous wedge
computers are best when you don't have to think about them
visual egret
i think i found the best way to store passwords and backup certificates
austere ivy
what if you cause a bug and not an error brian
that’s literally not possible. bugs are incorrect code. if you remove methods or classes, the code will either function just as well or not at all, at least in imperative programming
ashen cliff
I genuinely don’t understand memes like this
That usually happens on web projects or non compile stuff.
PHP is hell.
austere ivy
declarative programming gets a bit fuzzier though, and also programming languages which have GOTO and COMEFROM there can be issues
wide chasm
All these memes are generally people who programmed for 3.5 days and got a bug
zealous wedge
ah yes COMEFROM, the perfect instruction
austere ivy
brian python exsists
python is hell imo and I can’t stand doing anything other than basic scripting with it
visual egret
its hell untill you discover pycharm
austere ivy
anything with dynamic typing is really really horrible to use
worn ember
me: sends message to player
message: sends to server
me: wait, thats illegal
zealous wedge
vscode has gotten fairly nice Python support
golden gust
I mean, I've had java's compiler errors go ten miles to shit before
Like, linting is hard af, and am surprised that the java devs have seemingly spent a good chunk of time getting it right
zealous wedge
yeah, the variety of error checking and static analysis tools available in Java is really incredible
vernal moth
maybe I’ve had it too good with Java and intelllij but if I remove a piece of co...
It's easy to accidentally remove something which causes breakage down the line
zealous wedge
it means kotlin has a ton of catching up to do too
vernal moth
Ie, a method call that seems useless
austere ivy
I dunno. I just recently made a small project with JavaScript and I really disliked the dynamic typing. Having only runtime errors made debugging and testing a pain, and their JSDocs type “hinting” whatever is also incredibly frustrating, and is basically back to strong typing where you have to specify the types but without the compile-time type checks
worn ember
well that explains it 
zealous wedge
lol
waxen panther
well done as always sir ded
worn ember
i was born for this
austere ivy
ded is best coder
austere ivy
Ie, a method call that seems useless
oh, yeah. very good point. I was just more talking about code in terms of methods and classes, not method calls
but yeah very true I didn’t think about that mini lol
worn ember
i tend to not touch other peoples code to prevent that lol
olive marlin
You might delete method override which is necessary.
vernal moth
Oh good recent example, a coworker refactored some lib i wrote into a new maven structure (to use different parent poms and split modules a bit). He nuked the meta-inf folder because he thought it's useless, since non of his other projects used then, and they always container dum manifest files nobody really needs.
Turns out, this project was a spring project and I added a spring.factories file to do some spring auto configuration magic. Nobody noticed until in prod i randomly saw mah gzip headers where missing, removing the auto config had the effect of not enabling my gzip filter
I made him write integration tests downstream to check that compression is always enabled going forward :P
worn ember
i hope he was fired for that /s
austere ivy
Oh good recent example, a coworker refactored some lib i wrote into a new maven ...
yikes, that sounded like a pain to debug
worn ember
its more of an issue when no one knows why its breaking xD
vernal moth
Was ok, I knew where gzip was getting set, so i just had to figure out why the filter wasn't being added, took me an hour or so to remember that spring factory thingy
wide chasm
I apparently had two classes accidentally using javax's Nullable instead of JetBrains's for apparently years. I didn't have javax included in my project. A couple days ago, WE marked a dependency in a dependency of theirs as excluded. The code now broke. And it was supposed to be a non-breaking update dammit /s
vernal moth
Oh transitive dependencies are so fun
Wasted 3 days on that last week
Did a maintinance update on the monolith that does the backend for our websites, bumped all maven and npm deps, had a fun time
I also compile like every app using java 11 at work now, so that's nice
vernal moth
Did a maintinance update on the monolith that does the backend for our websites,...
Maven enforcer plugin with the dependency convergence rule is god send btw
worn ember
dependabot: heres an update
me: MERGEEE
CI: excuse me sir, its broken now
topaz mortar
😄
vernal moth
I wish we had automatic PRs for dep Updates at work then I wouldn't only do it 3 times a year :/
topaz mortar
If I remember right Spring Boot is able to define factories without stuff in meta inf.
DED guess Gitlab
worn ember
yuck
grizzled grove
going on to say that I'm running paper with about 50 plugins and media confusion, with about 10 bungeecord players with fake network at 1gb of ram 😆
austere ivy
btw if anyone is looking for a more lightweight Spring Boot alternative, maybe look into Spark. I did some web server stuff a bit ago and tried Spring, but I hated how much it took ahold of your project, and it didn’t integrate into a plugin nicely (which is what I was trying to do). found Spark and it’s super easy to use and integrate into just about any plugin, would highly recommend
golden gust
spark looks interesting but it's nowhere on the same level as spring
austere ivy
I was just doing a basic web API kinda thing so it worked for me
worn ember
not really a fan of spring
austere ivy
emphasis on the lightweight part
worn ember
maybe partially cuz i need to retake my spring boot final
zealous wedge
yeah I much prefer fall
waxen panther
xd ded, x-fricking-d
austere ivy
yeah I much prefer fall
zml that’s a great opinion and I approve of fall as well
vernal moth
do you use gh at work?
Selfhosted gitlab
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spring is epic
waxen panther
ur epic
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wtf
vernal moth
Spark is nice if you just need a quick and dirty rest endpoint
For anything bigger it's useless
golden gust
I mean, you're comparing an enterprise level microservice style library to a quick and dirty server
spring offers a looooot of crap built in which is amazing if not a bit scary
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you wanna try my bean, cat? ;)
austere ivy
I didn’t really go into spring boot much, so again take what I’m saying with a huge grain of salt
golden gust
if you insist
austere ivy
you wanna try my bean, cat? ;)
proxi can you elaborate on what that means please
wait no, don’t.
zealous wedge
beans!
worn ember
it means exactly what you think it means
fallen mantle
hey can i change gamemode in console?
topaz mortar
Spark is nice if you just need a quick and dirty rest endpoint
Ktor is a similar little Framework just optimized for using it with 
otlin.
vernal moth
If you want modern cloud native alternatives to spring, micronaut and quarkus
worn ember
worn ember
If you want modern cloud native alternatives to spring, micronaut and quarkus
did you mean azure and asp
grizzled grove
where do I see examples of paper.yml with beautiful settings other than that spgot guide?
golden gust
.docs
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
vernal moth
All the resources!
worn ember
well ok then
grizzled grove
oh i already saw that
austere ivy
unbelievable 😔
ashen cliff
Turn off mipmap.
worn ember
whomsnt
austere ivy
does adventure being built-in to paper also mean that MiniMessage is built-in too?
or is minimessage still separate?
austere ivy
alright, so just the adventure paper lib is included then?
vernal moth
Whenever I get my shit together basically
topaz mortar
well ok then
The cute little foxes. I think we do not have an api for item representing like foxes represent food in its mouth.
waxen panther
yea brian
austere ivy
mini btw thank you for mm it is amazing 
spiral robin
waxen panther
vernal moth
Reviewing that PR would be helpful
With stuff you want changed or you find still missing
austere ivy
https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure-docs/pull/12
now code is something I cannot write, but English? I can try ;D I’ll see about contributing a bit tonight if I have the time (I might not)
vernal moth
:+1:
sick cedar
worn ember
now code is something I cannot write, but English? I can try ;D I’ll see about c...
better make time then
austere ivy
better make time then
yes sorry all my time is being dedicated to nfptp unfortunately
worn ember
wut now
austere ivy
ninety fine percent tp smh get with the acronyms bruv
void void
looking at this code from first glance, this probably won't work
how could i check if something exists, and if it does not, try to load it then
or maybe i should check if it exists and try to load if not in my get method?
austere ivy
that stands for bruhmoment btw
yeah yeah, makes sense bruv
worn ember
how could i check if something exists, and if it does not, try to load it then
how would you load something that doesnt exist?
austere ivy
looking at this code from first glance, this probably won't work
it looks like it’d work, but I’d usually get it with a try catch, then check if it’s null
void void
how would you load something that doesnt exist?
well
worn ember
most likely also want to catch IOExcetion and not Exception (depending on what error it throws if it cant find it)
void void
if it doesn't exist
then i want it to exist, like i want it to be made fresh
you know
worn ember
are these files?
void void
json files yes
austere ivy
if getData called loadData if the data was null, that might look a bit cleaner, but what you have seems like it’d work fine.
get the data, if it’s null load it with a try catch, and/else return the data
makes sense to me
worn ember
its the same like you'd load any file in java really https://www.w3schools.com/java/java_files_create.asp (oh look its w3schools)
create if not exist
austere ivy
might want to look into using completablefutures or optionals instead of null if it’s a public API
if it’s not and you’re sure that null will always be checked, then it’s fine
worn ember
i dont see how this is related to completable futures tho
austere ivy
I’m assuming load data does some blocking network io
if it doesn’t, I don’t really see why loading and getting are separate if it’s already in memory. possibly a cache?
also @void void next time you ask a question like this, #paper-dev might be a better place to put it
austere ivy
yup no worries
void void
also <@456226577798135808> next time you ask a question like this, <#55546228985...
i didn't ask there because i'm writing more of like
a central bot
it's not like, on the paper api
austere ivy
asking it in #paper-dev still a bit better than #general imo. you never get much constructive talk out of paper general lol ;p
void void
ah ok
golden gust
I mean, paper dev is paper dev
mental imp
Хай
waxen panther
same
mental imp
golden gust
if you're not doing paper dev, paper-dev is off topic
mental imp
austere ivy
if you're not doing paper dev, paper-dev is off topic
where is best to put off-topic programming talk, then?
golden gust
general is the general offtopic channel
austere ivy
ah ok, sorry @void void lol I was wrong
golden gust
shoving people into domain specific dev channels just causes headaches given the assumption that, if you're asking in there, you're working on something in that domain
austere ivy
understood, sorry
golden gust
you better be
austere ivy
void void
o ok
spiral robin
void void
@austere ivy do you think i should just load all chats at initialization?
or should i load a chat and store it into the cache only when it's demanded
maybe initialization is better
golden gust
I mean, I got half a clue what you're doing and don't have the mental capacity to care but, like
if your intent is to create files for each whatever, that's not gonna scale too well
austere ivy
<@!121476000046514178> do you think i should just load all chats at initializati...
chats? like, messages that the bot sends?
void void
damn, maybe my original design was better
void void
chats? like, messages that the bot sends?
well
right now, I want to make a very general purpose whitelist bot
austere ivy
bot for discord?
void void
so let's say you are in a marketplace that only allows verified sellers, i want to create a bot that tracks down the seller, so if they change the username it's updated, etc
nah, telegram
austere ivy
ah k
visual egret
so let's say you are in a marketplace that only allows verified sellers, i want ...
wait if they "change their username"
void void
wait if they "change their username"
their telegram username, not first / last name
austere ivy
how are you storing said whitelist? and what do you mean by “tracks down the seller”?
void void
how are you storing said whitelist? and what do you mean by “tracks down the sel...
so, there's a big problem in some marketplace chats
golden gust
think of minecraft
void void
one i'm in right now, the current way to verify users is that there is a channel list with the @s of the verified sellers
golden gust
you change your username, your UUID still stays the same
visual egret
^
void void
though sometimes they will either change their username, etc, and then someone else snatches it up
visual egret
thats what i was speaking about
visual egret
but UUID's exist
austere ivy
why do you not just grab the current UUID of whatever name was white listed and permanently store that
Oh seems like what you’re doing
untold copper
setting up auto backups using rclone and python is exhausting
void void
ok, well
if creating a new file for each chat that uses it is a problem
here was what my original design looked like
visual egret
setting up auto backups using rclone and python is exhausting
setting up pterodactyl is more of a pain
especially with cloudflare and ssl
untold copper
setting up pterodactyl is more of a pain
_especially with cloudflare and ssl_
lol im sure it is
golden gust
your average desktop FS ain't designed to scale well
austere ivy
once again how are you storing the whitelist? just as channel chats?
void void
once again how are you storing the whitelist? just as channel chats?
uhh
idk anymore man
golden gust
that's often why apps split up folders instead of having dozens of 12028319319043829432 files in a single folder
void void
im about to start from the ground up
golden gust
FSes like btrfs make stupid metric fucktons of files in a single folder less performance eating, but, when you got actual databases available 🤷♂️
austere ivy
im about to start from the ground up
oh I see, so you were going to do a file per server (chat?)?
worn ember
nice, cant hotswap classes when some file doesnt compile in a module that isnt even on the classpath
void void
oh I see, so you were going to do a file per server (chat?)?
yes
but now i want to do this
austere ivy
yes
that technically would work but using literally any database would probably work a lot better
how are you planning on hosting the bot? can you also run an SQL server of some kind?
void void
what about something like this?
@spaghetti is the spaghetti chat, where tehbrian and awesome are both verified, but in the pasta chat, tehbrian is still verified while awesome is not
just like, that's how i want it to work
austere ivy
if you like how json stores data, then you might wanna look into mongodb
void void
how are you planning on hosting the bot? can you also run an SQL server of some ...
yeah i'm going to host the bot myself
but i also wanted it to be open source, so people who don't trust me or you know, whatever, can run it too
austere ivy
you can pay for them to host your data or you can just host a server yourself
austere ivy
oh, hmmm
golden gust
at the end of the day, don't turn minamalism into a dildo for you to fall on
austere ivy
minimal setup for the end user probably means that you don’t want them trying to find a way to host a databas-
golden gust
things like sane databases have been designed to deal with stupid issues like "what happens if the server dies mid save", etc
austere ivy
cat what in the heck is that analogy
golden gust
if this is info that you wanna ensure is safe and have some form of scalability, like, use proven tech, no need to re-invent the wheel here
void void
things like sane databases have been designed to deal with stupid issues like "w...
ah i was going to just periodically save every 5 mins
but like
void void
this isn't going to be used like, a lot lot
like there will probably be like, 2-3 users that can easily be re-added per day in the event of a crash
and every other user (100+ users usually) will be already cached
golden gust
yea, but, are you going to be watching it 24/7? are you gonna know when it fails?
void void
yea, but, are you going to be watching it 24/7? are you gonna know when it fails...
no but in the case that it does, it's no biggie
there's not gonna be like a bunch of mad user adds or anything
austere ivy
this isn't going to be used like, a lot lot
don’t say that on yourself. build the project well initially so that if it grows big, no worries, it’s scaleable.
golden gust
you're working on something you felt that you had the justifiable need to do it properly
take it as the time to learn how to toy with stuff and you'll have more knowledge/experience and have the tool you wanted which will last until oracle breaks it one day
austere ivy
the way I see it, you’ve got three main choices for storing the data:
- an actual (no)SQL server, such as mongodb or some other database. pros is that it’s quite scaleable, cons is that the end-user has to set up a database.
- litesql, which is like an sql database but stored on files. much much easier for users, and you get to use a proper(ish) database in the code. (note, I’ve never personally used litesql, so I might have no idea what I’m talking about)
- flatfile. store json files or something to disk. I do this in one of my discord bots and it works relatively well, but the performance is most definitely not as good as a proper database, and you don’t get fancy features that sql has like what cat said (what if the server crashes? etc.)
golden gust
if you want local store, use h2
well, local db
never used it but it's basically seems to be the accepted alternative to sqlite
void void
i like the idea of having config options between json/mongo
but i have a quick question
austere ivy
what if i make configuration options?
that would probably be the path I would take. make a database controller interface that outlines what the databases do, and then add implementations for each type (mongodb, flatfile, etc) and pick whichever one based on the config
void void
I knew how to read the data when it was sorted by individual chats
but how would i do it in this new case scenario
austere ivy
but how would i do it in this new case scenario
depends on the database :p
void void
json
so i want a Map<String, Chat>
the string should be the chat name, i.e @spaghetti and the Chat should have a list of User which has constructor perms for id and the reason
austere ivy
- json isn’t a database, it’s a file type, make sure you get the jargon out (it’s annoying I know lol) 2. if you’re handling json, then there are a whole lot of libraries for parsing the json to and from Java objects. I like moshi, but jackson and gson are also widely used
ashen cliff
is that it’s quite scaleable
austere ivy
might want to rename Users in the Chat to verifiedUsers just to be a bit more explicit
void void
ok
private Map<String, String> loadData(String name) {
Gson gson = new Gson();
InputStream inputStream = Main.class.getResourceAsStream("/" + name + ".json");
if (inputStream == null) {
return new HashMap<>();
}
InputStreamReader reader = new InputStreamReader(inputStream);
Type type = new TypeToken<Map<String, String>>() {
}.getType();
return gson.fromJson(reader, type);
}
this was my method of loading data from the .json files
it loaded data that was like
basically just like
{
"brian": "awesome"
}
what i'm confused on is how do i get the chat name
then get the contents there
austere ivy
hm, it seems like you’re on the right track overall, but I’ve got some things I need to do. I’m sure someone else will help with this specific thing. just keep writing implementations for different database types and you should be on the right path
ping me later if you need anymore help though
void void
awesome thanks
broken yarrow
please can anyone review my code https://paste.helpch.at/ogiwefiqec.coffeescript
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you know you can do bitwise operations right
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1 or 2, 1 and 2, 1 xor 2, 1 shr 2, 1 shl 2
broken yarrow
ok can u do it so i can see?
broken yarrow
can anyone else hepl please
merry talon
...
broken yarrow
@here