general

[dim shadow]

perfect synchronization i think

like no vsync glitches

[waxen panther]

its good for gaming but it doesnt really matter when you're at 120hz anyway

i think in fact gsync turns off when you're that high

[twin lagoon]

https://rog.asus.com/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-pg279qe-model/ i'm looking at this one myself atm

[untold copper]

QUAD KILL!!!

[twin lagoon]

27", 1440p & 165Hz IPS, native gsync

[untold copper]

Sorry the quad kill announcement was so loud it woke me up

[waxen panther]

I was looking at this one, looks nice

[untold copper]

[twin lagoon]

snoopa you're giving us severe brain degradation

[visual egret]

rie is cute

[twin lagoon]

please go to bed

[waxen panther]

flushed ?

[untold copper]

I exist only to give brain degradation to adults

[dim shadow]

damn thats a thing?

[untold copper]

ok bai

[dim shadow]

gngn 🌃

[twin lagoon]

tbh it's not like i need 165hz

getting 30fps in MSFS is quite something already

on the other hand, high refreshrate is nice for watching movies / tv shows

[waxen panther]

most highend monitors are compatible in some way

[dim shadow]

i probably cant even detect 60hz lol i be so stoned

[vestal jasper]

Is that 120hz brocc?

Shit service here can't click link

[waxen panther]

i believe the gen 1 gsync compatibility wasnt very good but their new certifications are pretty similar to normal gsync

I actually linked the wrong one, that is the 1440p 120hz one. I have the 1080p 165hz model

[twin lagoon]

ideally, i'd get a miniLED or OLED monitor but i don't see the market changing within 5 years to a point where high refreshrate miniLED/OLED monitors are going to be a thing

[vestal jasper]

I have the 3440x1440 120hz gsync

[waxen panther]

Yeah thats the one i linked

[twin lagoon]

if it was around $1k it'd be more than acceptable pricing

but like a 21.5" miniled 60hz is $5k

[dim shadow]

lol i want oled as well i never liked fake black

[twin lagoon]

to be fair if you had the space for it, LG 48CX would be ideal

gsync, 100 or 120hz, oled

[dim shadow]

probs cost $10000000000 tho

[twin lagoon]

it's more than reasonable for an oled

[dim shadow]

yea i only have like $50 ;-;

thats ok tho im sure the tech will get easier 2 produce n shit eventually

one day

but dam that do be a nice moniter tho

[meager tusk]

graphql is growing on me

[twin lagoon]

[dim shadow]

so who all wanna talk mc economics?

we need a #eco-help channel or somethin yall

[wraith trail]

Syscraft

[dim shadow]

hmm yea that exists

[spiral robin]

you have a lot of free time

[dim shadow]

they probs have a discord 2

[dim shadow]

not my fault ;-; work closed today

bruh im already on their discord LOL wtf i musta joined ages ago n then forgot

[visual egret]

cross platform mod

all the platforms, 1 is not enough

[vestal jasper]

Targeting bukkit and not paper tho

[visual egret]

we need all platforms josh ._.

not just paper forks

[mossy vessel]

🆗

[waxen panther]

🆗

[dim shadow]

pentium "IV"

lol

[visual egret]

fastest hosting on eath

[dim shadow]

i wanted that cpu so bad wen i was a chile lol

i had a athlon xp tho

[visual egret]

i guess you wont get that cpu

[dim shadow]

rippp ;-;

[meager tusk]

yes we do

paper forks only

[dim shadow]

they should make a paper fork called paper fork and have a paper fork as a logo

like a origami fork

[meager tusk]

Unfunny

[dim shadow]

5% royalties for the idea btw js tyvm

i aint trynna be funny im giving smart people good ideas

[minor badge]

https://github.com/Proximyst/paperfork

[dim shadow]

eyyyyyyy ;D there u go proxi

ill send u bitcoin addy for my royalties later

binary download where tho

[waxen panther]

?

[mental meadow]

read the description

[meager tusk]

Proxi best Paper Forker in the world ?

[wild escarp]

Purpur uses a gradle fork system

[idle plover]

nice community here

do you also make tutorials on how to use the api on the forums?

[dim shadow]

lol ive only been to the forums like once

[remote kestrel]

help me please!

[visual egret]

.dontask

[limber knot]

https://www.dontasktoask.com/

[remote kestrel]

You see, I'm almost new to this business. you may also not understand me well, I do not know English. please look at this file, what is wrong here?

[wraith trail]

go to #paper-help

[remote kestrel]

okay

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-x8DYTOv7w

Early in the video he basically calls out all the gacha games and Minecraft servers 😂

[zealous wedge]

good Tom Scott

[ashen cliff]

Just avoid his twitter if you like him too much.

[formal turret]

i like tom's long form videos

they're always informative and entertaining

[soft orchid]

Hello guys, idk if this is a right place to ask but im desperate, i'm looking for a plugin that will limit amount of players in a region. Does anyone know if a plugin like that exists?

[visual egret]

why do you want to limit that though 🤔

[soft orchid]

i have boss rooms on my server and i want only one player to fight with the boss at a time, not a whole squad of 5 ;v

[visual egret]

just make it so only that player can enter

if they enter the region, just push them out

[soft orchid]

i mean i thought about doing it that way, but i kinda have a lot of players and manually switching the player being able to enter the area (what i understood from your answer) would be really time consuming to do

[ashen cliff]

I don't think that actually exists. Could make a simple addon to WorldGuard.

[visual egret]

time consuming? just do what krusic said and it should work

[spare venture]

sounds pretty custom

[worn ember]

yes

[spare venture]

ded when are we gonna run a server together

[visual egret]

how tf do i detect LC serverside

cant find anything sent in packets

[magic river]

LC?

[visual egret]

lunar client

[magic river]

Oh, some minecraft shit

[formal turret]

look for the brand? there is some paper api for that i believe

if you can't use paper api i believe the brand is declared in a custom payload packet

[olive marlin]

Unless it doesn't send the brand.

[visual egret]

i can only find Worldedit CUI stuff

[formal turret]

that is possible too, they might not even change the brand of the client

in which case you have no way of knowing if they're using LC!

[visual egret]

what does this mean 🤔

[magic river]

it's a utf-8 string, no?

[formal turret]

that's what you'd be looking for right there

[visual egret]

thats a client outbound from the server, i found another one coming into the server

[magic river]

That says paper 😛

Well, Paper

[visual egret]

yeah theres another inbound one

[formal turret]

look at the inbound one

[visual egret]

how would i read this btw

[magic river]

first byte is the length, technically it's a varint iirc (or varlong?)

[tame lantern]

should I use json txt or yml for my "internal" ban list

[magic river]

First two letters are l and u so that probably says lunar

[visual egret]

you should use a database @tame lantern

[magic river]

https://www.asciitable.com/

[olive marlin]

Since you use it for storage, I'd use json.

[visual egret]

thanks

[olive marlin]

Unless your ban list grows huge.

Then use a DB.

[magic river]

UTF-8 starts with that table so for english stuff it'll work

[tame lantern]

I dont really know how to make that work so ill stick with json

[magic river]

You probably want to use something better than manually referencing that table

[visual egret]

what about h2?

[olive marlin]

See what Paper does?

Since Paper has API exactly for that.

[magic river]

If you strip the length it's just new String(bytes, StandardCharsets.UTF_8)

[wide pond]

anyone know of a cheap dedicated provider that can offer less than 32gb of ram

[tame lantern]

i know nothing about databases tbh

[olive marlin]

Seems like a good enough excuse to learn about them then!

If you go with sqlite, which should be plenty for ban list, it's easy to setup.

[spare venture]

doubt you're gonna find any

ram is the cheapest part..

[mental meadow]

SYS, I only have 16 gb I think

[ashen cliff]

Hetzner Auctions.

[worn ember]

less than 32gb thats and odd requirement?

[ashen cliff]

Just avoid all machines I touched.

[mental meadow]

there, 16GB^^

[olive garden]

that's some slow RAM

[worn ember]

isnt server ram usually slower clockspeed

[mental meadow]

I'll say it again, I haven't encountered a system where RAM speed is the bottleneck

[worn ember]

for stability or something

[olive garden]

bruh aurora is having none of my shit

okay back to work bye

[mental meadow]

🙂

[worn ember]

[warm anchor]

I mean aurora is right

[worn ember]

ok traitor

i bet you play lol now

[waxen panther]

no eternity is too busy being epic

[ashen cliff]

6406 hours in Farming Simulator 16.

[spiral robin]

@mental meadow @waxen panther @warm anchor

[mental meadow]

uwu

[vernal moth]

Fine :/

[warm anchor]

[spiral robin]

Who roofied idriz

[vernal moth]

Am almost home again

And am almost sober again :/

[meager tusk]

No

Nobody

[spiral robin]

ok

[limpid comet]

Damn

a mf almost got scammed

[magic river]

Cute, you apparently turn the Fitbit Sense on the same way you do a skin conductivity test, by covering the screen with your palm

[tame lantern]

how many gigs of ram does hypixel have

[meager tusk]

256mb

[dim shadow]

bruh its hypixel

they probs got infinite cloud ram or somethin like that

[meager tusk]

oh right hypixel

yeah then 128

[warm anchor]

Lmaoo what’s this chat

[dim shadow]

hello this is #general on the paper discord on the internet

[spiral robin]

.

[spare venture]

,

[visual egret]

screw this

[dim shadow]

and these are your friends aberdeener party and oskar

[spare venture]

no

[dim shadow]

why are u a💧 but are actually a 🥳

[visual egret]

why can i only do like 1% of stuff on velocity of the stuff i can do on paper

all i want to do is to read a packet reeeeee

[dim shadow]

whats velocity again

[visual egret]

bungeecord but better

[dim shadow]

ohh right

[visual egret]

maybe lacking in the api a bit tho

[magic river]

bleh, I'm too dumb to figure out how to use my fitbit

It has these "buttons" that are just indents on the side and sometimes seemingly at random if I cover one with my finger it counts as a button press

[visual egret]

just use app on phone smh my head

[zealous wedge]

packets aren't api lol

you're not supposed to do things on a proxy if they can reasonably be done on a backend server lol

[visual egret]

shouldnt i be able to access client brand though

that seems like a relatively basic thing to get

[untold meadow]

i can't believe i just recommended using string splitting to read the downloads api

can someone ban me for that

[visual egret]

wtf

my braincells have gone below the floor, as if i had any in the first place

[zealous wedge]

why would you want to access the client brand on the proxy?

[visual egret]

the same reason i would want to do it on backends...

[worn ember]

19

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

Even better.

That version is already fully remote controlling tractors in 🇩🇪.

[ashen cliff]

Do it. Help out the German economy.

[visual egret]

i simp for kyori/adventure

[meager tusk]

I play farming simulator in real life.

I quit programming today.

Gonna start a walnut farm.

[visual egret]

kyori/adventure > farming simulator irl

[dim shadow]

u can be a farmer programmer tho @meager tusk

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[meager tusk]

Ok. Starve. Maybe you'll be able to eat Kyori code then.

Yes bro.

[visual egret]

i might as well

[dim shadow]

get elon's satellite internet

[ashen cliff]

You need a higher yield crop bro.

Something like Bosnian land mines.

[meager tusk]

farmers can arguably have better tech in their households than you

not every farmer lives in a remote location

[meager tusk]

Good point bro.

[dim shadow]

better tech than me...? how so? xD

im a 20 min drive from downtown i cant even have fiber

[visual egret]

ez now i can whitelist clients

[meager tusk]

More money, better tech, stuff like that

[magic river]

Unless they're driving a long commute to work every day they live in a remote location

[meager tusk]

Balkan stuff you wouldn't understand.

[dim shadow]

oh u are balkan? which country

[meager tusk]

Kosovo.

[ashen cliff]

Imagine having to drive 30 minutes, then people going thru Gruškovje complain for so long you get a highway.
Now you just need 10 minutes.

[dim shadow]

ooooo nice ive learned a lot about ur region from 2balkan4u

[meager tusk]

If you really had learned then you'd know Kosovo is an entire continent bro.

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder that highway is broken AF.

[meager tusk]

Europe is an autonomous region within Kosovo.

[dim shadow]

oh yes u are correct

[twin lagoon]

europe is kosovo

[meager tusk]

Highway may be broke, but the politicians aren't broke.

[twin lagoon]

economy's broke

[meager tusk]

Pocket the highway money. Balkan way bro.

[ashen cliff]

Correct.

[meager tusk]

False. Earth is Kosovo. Europe is an autonomous region within Kosovo.

[dim shadow]

wait i met a chick from kosovo in a chat room she told me where the country was

[ashen cliff]

Yet. Kosovo is still Serbia. So everything is Serbia.

[meager tusk]

Serbia is part of Austria bro.

[dim shadow]

serbian is the tongue we call indo-europen

[meager tusk]

Everything is Austria bro.

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

I found the video from before bro.

[magic river]

Everything is Rome

[ashen cliff]

Rome has long since fallen.

[magic river]

Or maybe everything is Persia

[ashen cliff]

But Serbia is forever.

[meager tusk]

Everything is Albania 🇦🇱 bro.

There are people in the world who have never eaten Balkan food bro. That's sad.

[twin lagoon]

never had any balkan food

[ashen cliff]

How?

BS.

[peak ginkgo]

https://twitter.com/cursedbalkanyt

Cursed Balkan YouTube Comments (@CursedBalkanYT)

Collecting the best balkan YouTube comments

Tweets

812

Followers

23924

Twitter

[dim shadow]

same here michael

[peak ginkgo]

This is what you guys remind me of

[twin lagoon]

this could definitely have been posted from krusic's account

[meager tusk]

That thumbnail has me fucking dead

Banner*

[dim shadow]

idk i like romanian music at least

numa numa ey

[dim shadow]

numa numa numa ey

[twin lagoon]

explain @meager tusk

[ashen cliff]

It is.

[magic river]

According to this guy everything is Sumer https://i.imgur.com/GqDOl7Y.jpg

[meager tusk]

It is.

[ashen cliff]

Don't forget Slavs = Color in the US.

[dim shadow]

i think its all internal racism tho

[twin lagoon]

if internal racism is a thing

describe external racism

[meager tusk]

I hate Albanians bro.

I am Albanian bro.

[dim shadow]

well damn

[meager tusk]

All of us hate ourselves bro.

Except when a serbian visits. Then we all hate the serbian bro. Albania forever 123

[twin lagoon]

[meager tusk]

Yes

He live in Vojvodina bro.

[twin lagoon]

i am a fan of this twitter account

[ashen cliff]

A true fan of Balkan.

[twin lagoon]

although

half of this twitter account is either racism, homophobia, rapists or about neonazis

[meager tusk]

Welcome to Balkan.

[ashen cliff]

So Balkan?

[twin lagoon]

[meager tusk]

Michael.

[twin lagoon]

what is the hate against turkey

[dim shadow]

yup sounds balkan

[meager tusk]

Stay in under water place bro.

We are balkan we work different OK?

[dim shadow]

idk but i think greece v. turkey have the biggest beef for some reason

[meager tusk]

wait @twin lagoon do you have mountains in the netherlands

[twin lagoon]

only 1

actually

what can be considered as mountain

.g mountain definition

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain

[ashen cliff]

How Balkan works in 1 simple video: ||https://posili.me/i/Serbia-Facts.mp4||

[meager tusk]

haha superflat wtf

LOL

[twin lagoon]

atleast 300 metres

[ashen cliff]

Flat BRO!

[meager tusk]

netherlands is superflat

[twin lagoon]

mmmm, sec

[ashen cliff]

Unlike BALKAN.

[meager tusk]

Where is Alps bro

No alps?

Sucks

[dim shadow]

i think its negative superflat... isnt it like dependent on dams or somethin

[twin lagoon]

Vaalserberg/Elevation
322 m

only one mountain

[dim shadow]

or was that belgium

[twin lagoon]

it's the highest point in NL

[formal turret]

its netherlands waterdrink

[meager tusk]

Michael

Let's agree that that's probably just an oversized hill

[dim shadow]

ye thought so

[visual egret]

why make configs/store values properly when i can just do this 😎

[meager tusk]

Oskar witty humor

[ashen cliff]

Idriz, what do you think of that video?

[meager tusk]

Girl should have yelled "shkije" back bro.

She doesn't know bro.

[dim shadow]

dam right who needs data driven design when theres ease driven design

[magic river]

So glad I don't do tech support anymore https://i.redd.it/cia6q6fawnh61.png

[waxen panther]

this is so epic and hilarious

[visual egret]

wat

how tf do i kick a player with the reason being a Component

[mental meadow]

Use a creator

[merry cave]

what's a good chunloader plugin?

[visual egret]

pre loader?

in that case, chunky

.g chunky spigotmc

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chunky.81534/

[spiral robin]

@cosmic raft what is good at blenz coffee

I'm here

And long line

[magic river]

Does chunky have a mode where it's smart enough to use the vanilla world border to figure out how much to pregen?

[dull swallow]

Random question, so me and 12 friends have been plating on a survival server that gets updated to the next official release. The Server has been running since 2016. With the new build limit will the old bedrock default at -64 or will it still be at 0.

[magic river]

0

So far anyway

[dull swallow]

That would suck

[limber knot]

it's highly unlikely that they will convert existing chunks

[zealous wedge]

that's something mojang specifically has not solved yet

[waxen panther]

bruh, material theme ui is paid now?

[zealous wedge]

in the most recent snapshot, they just disabled loading older worlds

[limber knot]

they never did that for previous version updates anyway

[magic river]

Dunno if they're going to put in bedrock walls, fill 64 blocks with bedrock, or just leave massive areas of void

[wild escarp]

i vote for void to fuck with people

[magic river]

But the plan is to keep 0 at 0 so commands don't need to be updated

[zealous wedge]

nobody can give you an answer yet

[grand pewter]

yeah amaranth theres a command to auto select from vanilla wb

[limber knot]

imo doing nothing would be the right solution

I mean they didn't care about the nether ceiling either

[grand pewter]

in prior versions they never converted stuff

[dull swallow]

Well I guess that solves it, we will have to do a fresh wipe for the first time since 2016

[limber knot]

just expand the map ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous wedge]

"that solves it"? nothing has been decided yet

[limber knot]

that's what my server used to do

[magic river]

If you want the new aquifers and caves and such you'd need new chunks anyway

All shifting your chunks down to -64 would do is give you more area to build up

[limber knot]

we solved this by simply adding an additional map every version update lol

[magic river]

Unless you thought they were going to generate half a chunk to fill in under your existing stuff

[limber knot]

and letting every map run for 3 years

[cosmic raft]

no clue

[dull swallow]

I thought about that as well

[lean kiln]

i think it just does this

[magic river]

Right now, sure

[limber knot]

I personally don't expect them to do anything more tbh

[lean kiln]

yea me neither

[dull swallow]

I thought well we could start extremely far out but with the server running that long there is no telling how far people went out. Some built flying machines and went afk for a week just to see how far they could get

[limber knot]

I guess simply filling with bedrock could be feasable

[grand pewter]

wait a bit longer until they allow old maps to be loaded into the snapshots and then check it out

i doubt they'd care to fill with bedrock or anything though, has there ever been a case where they tried to modify old chunks?

[magic river]

You can't load old maps right now?

[limber knot]

if you don't have a bordered world then just ignore it and let your players deal with it

[grand pewter]

ya it blocks you

i tried it

[magic river]

How did that screenshot happen then?

[limber knot]

just tell them that they need to find new chunks

it worked like that in previous updates too so...

[visual egret]

what if you edit the version in the .dat file?

[lean kiln]

that ss is from rays works youtube video

idk if they modified anything to get it to load

[limber knot]

I guess if all your players actually want a reset you could do that but I doubt they want to loose 4 year old stuff lol

but I guess that depends how dedicated your playerbase is

[zealous wedge]

probably just changed the data version? or disabled the block

[dull swallow]

I could always do a test and build a flying machine that goes in one direction for a week to see how far you can get then double that distance for new chunks for 1.17 and move spawn

[magic river]

Blocking old worlds from loading suggests to me they plan to do something with old chunks and didn't want you to convert them too soon

[potent fossil]

im getting too old. just turned my head in a way my body didnt appreciate and i tweaked my neck

[magic river]

I could do that since I was 13

[potent fossil]

:(

[dull swallow]

Yeah that makes sense as well but it could be a possibility if somehow it loads

[magic river]

Might have had something to do with falling while car surfing and spending a week in the ICU and 24 hours with my neck in traction

[potent fossil]

yeah that definitely might have something to do with it

or you could just be an ancient bastard

[worn ember]

you can always add a new world with the new chunk system, then they can choose

[magic river]

That was also the summer I learned "real" programming, PHP! 😄

[limber knot]

some players really don't appreciate duplicated survival worlds

[magic river]

Before that I knew BASIC and made websites with HTML and "DHTML" snippets I copy/pasted

[limber knot]

I had a really long discussion about this on my server

[magic river]

Maybe I was 12, one of those

[worn ember]

well some players can fuck off then 🙂

[limber knot]

main issue is that it spreads the community too fin

[worn ember]

then yeet the world and ez clap

[merry cave]

following up on this for a friend

[limber knot]

it shows that you don't run an old minecraft community :P

[worn ember]

i dont run any :p

been a loonggg time since i hosted any servers

[magic river]

We just reset the map often enough new versions didn't really matter

[grand pewter]

there's a command to autoselect from the current world border, listed on the plugin page 🙂

[magic river]

Sometimes we'd just take a few weeks off a map and reset early for a new version, other times we'd leave it and just wait a few weeks to get the new stuff

[limber knot]

we used to always have to have (is that right English? ) extremely long discussions about whether or not to reset stuff :S

[potent fossil]

yes that's correct english

[dull swallow]

Thats what I was thinking

[magic river]

We reset things every 8 to 12 weeks

[limber knot]

it got to a point where we reset stuff right before an unexpected Minecraft update... which is when we changed our update plan

well do you do a full reset?

[grand pewter]

on my server I just have a history of doing resets once a year or so generally. old maps get posted online for players to downloads

[magic river]

There wasn't a set schedule, it was just once a map got "full" or "stale"

[grand pewter]

full resets

[limber knot]

we used to only reset worlds and let players move (and still do)

[worn ember]

well if it spreads the community too thin, force new players on the new world then eventually the old one will die out and you can delete it

nothing of value was lost

[limber knot]

we now offer some permanent worlds that have some theme + the normal survival worlds

[olive marlin]

So, my memory card claims it has damaged superblock, and testdisk can't recover it, but when I put it in my camera, it can read it just fine. Issue is I don't have the cable to download directly from the camera 😦

[dull swallow]

So would you guys rather be on a server that has frequent resets or keep updating? Thumbs up or down

[magic river]

People took it as a chance for a fresh start, they got to explore new mechanics from zero and come up with new build ideas

There would always be someone in the middle of a massive build that was upset but you can't please everyone

[worn ember]

i dont play on servers long enough to care about resets

[olive marlin]

We have a vote each major update - community chooses what they want.

[grand pewter]

on my server there's always a couple people upset about resets but the fact that I upload the maps for them usually makes it better

[merry cave]

love that! do you guys use this over chunkmaster

or?

[magic river]

Of course this was before the old Bukkit team took over MC development and things slowed way down

[zealous wedge]

well, pop made chunky :)

[grand pewter]

and players almost always seem to favor new features over keeping the old map

yeah sorry hallow I can't comment, would be biased 😛

[magic river]

These days if you reset every 12 weeks you'd run several maps on the same version and people would probably get upset with having to repeat themselves

[grand pewter]

just answering questions if I see them

I used to use WorldBorder though

[merry cave]

I have worldborder

and that's why I am getting rid of it for vanilla and I just want a reliable chunk gen

[worn ember]

i should probably add support to that again, since its picked up again

[merry cave]

so I will give chunky a go

[worn ember]

smh cant you people just let plugins die

[merry cave]

ah pop... you're the master behind chunky

😉

[potent fossil]

y'all https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/essentials-mysql-storage-extension.25673/ is storing yaml directly in the db lmao

[merry cave]

downloaded and partially installed

[magic river]

I think they wanted MongoDB

[potent fossil]

i s2g straight yaml 😭

[grand pewter]

thats pretty meme especially considering that's premium lol

[celest terrace]

what the fuck xD

[limber knot]

glances at ChestShop storing item stack deserialized to yaml encoded as base62 in an sqlite database

or is it base64? not sure. I think the item id code is base62

[magic river]

Why bother with the encoding step?

[limber knot]

don't ask me

that's just how it was created 10 years ago

[grand pewter]

ahhhh legacy code right lol

[worn ember]

sureee

[grand pewter]

lwc is also pretty shit in how it stores stuff

[limber knot]

and I really don't want to rewrite it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

INSERT INTO `Essentials_userdata` (`id`, `player_uuid`, `player_name`, `userdata`, `money`, `offline_money`, `sync_complete`, `last_seen`) 
VALUES (1, 'redacted-but-char36-field', 'redacted', 'lastAccountName: redacted\ntimestamps:\n  login: 1613434755217\nipAddress: redacted\nlastlocation:\n  world: redacted\n  x: 997.5125266230348\n  y: 66.0\n  z: -520.2005259110306\n  yaw: 263.34973\n  pitch: 12.000028\n', 0.00, 0.00, 'false', '1613435118052');

lol...

[celest terrace]

ChestShop is free so u can't really complain

[grand pewter]

if it works it works lol

[limber knot]

well it "works"

[celest terrace]

Wauw that's beautiful

[limber knot]

having data versions in the yaml fucked up a lot of stuff lol

[worn ember]

if it aint broke dont fix it

[limber knot]

it now auto-converts all item data on launch if it detects a data-version on start

*a new data version

[worn ember]

[magic river]

That's not so bad

[limber knot]

so yeah, technically I could just move it to a different system...

[magic river]

It breaks out the key bits and dumps all the misc stuff in a blob

[limber knot]

(like using paper's byte array serialization)

but the plugin still runs on Bukkit and it's kinda my goal for some reason to keep that lol

[celest terrace]

Oh wow Phoenix create ChestShop?! 😮

[limber knot]

no, I maintain it

[celest terrace]

oh ok

[worn ember]

storing ips in databases along with the username

#gdpr

[celest terrace]

ChestShop is my childhood

[merry cave]

Chestshop is mine as well

[magic river]

I think Wolv used to maintain one of those

[worn ember]

i had a 2 hours lecture i fell asleep in about gdpr so i'm an expert

[limber knot]

nobody really picked it up and and my server uses it excessively so I just did it myself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

Hate all these fancy ones out now players are confused how to make em

[cunning raft]

[magic river]

If my goal was "store essentials data in mysql" I'd do something similar to what that plugin is doing

[limber knot]

"Hate all these fancy ones out now players are confused how to make em" I mean, tons of people complain to me about chestshop beeing too simple and not "flashy/pretty enough" lol

[cunning raft]

problem is you know exactly people are going to use that with bungee

and there's no way that works

[magic river]

It's not just (id, yaml) pairs, it breaks out the most used data into their own columns and uses yaml to chuck in the extra junk

[formal turret]

oh well i'll tell you i love that chestshop is so simple

[worn ember]

seems like it keeps the yml files too tho

thats kinda

[formal turret]

easily my fav shop plugin

[limber knot]

yeah that's what I like about it too. you basically just need to copy a sign that you see someone else make and it will work lol

[worn ember]

You will not attempt to modify the this plugin source code without direct permission from me.

heh funni

[celest terrace]

Yeah what's the point of syncing essentials data.

[grand pewter]

not much

most data is tied to the specific server world

like homes don't make sense outside of a clone of the world somewhere else

[celest terrace]

Yeah exactly...

[limber knot]

some people use it to sync economy

which is Pepega

[grand pewter]

i mean economy in it of itself is already kind of a meme

(no offense to anyone using economy)

[tame lantern]

am i allowed to self promote my paper server here?

[limber knot]

yeah

[worn ember]

well its an ez 5k for that guy

[potent fossil]

no @tame lantern

[celest terrace]

Well you'd have to sync with vault though right

😄

[limber knot]

promoting to server admins and developers

[grand pewter]

just all economy setups tend to be extremely broken

[celest terrace]

you can promote it to me lol

[tame lantern]

oof, ok then lol

[limber knot]

it's just insanely pointless

[formal turret]

the way the server i maintain now did econ sync was to zero out essentials money and then store the money in its own db

[grand pewter]

and vault is pretty much on life support lol

[limber knot]

most people here don't play minecraft

[celest terrace]

Don't scare me now pop lol.

[worn ember]

how so? it recently got updated

[tame lantern]

why is a bot talking?

[formal turret]

irc bridge

[limber knot]

you guys should support Tresor ;D

[tame lantern]

like a person

[limber knot]

https://github.com/Minebench/Tresor

[worn ember]

shut up bot

[limber knot]

runs

[celest terrace]

Smart AI

[grand pewter]

aught to be built into the bukkit API tbh like sponge

lol

[tame lantern]

this aignt no perm bot lmfao

[celest terrace]

(Maybe bungeecord support)

[tame lantern]

sorry light mode

[limber knot]

imo the services api is enough to get things done

[tame lantern]

and compact mode

[grand pewter]

guess so

[worn ember]

except no one knows it exists

[limber knot]

people just abuse it because Vault tells them to :S

which breaks tons of shit

beep boop

[tame lantern]

What does the default log log?

[limber knot]

log logs

[worn ember]

i deleted some data entries on production today lol

oops

[tame lantern]

how many bots are there

[grand pewter]

everyone on IRC

[limber knot]

.g xkcd irc

[worn ember]

so like 3

[limber knot]

(Amaranth) https://xkcd.com/1782/

xkcd: Team Chat

2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat.

[worn ember]

.stats

!stats

[celest terrace]

There's an IRC? lol

[limber knot]

Uptime: 0 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, 20 seconds
Message Handling: 3ms / 2ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 72188 (5.887%)
Messages from Discord: 1154118 (94.11%)

[visual egret]

How do I restart/shutdown windows itself from WSL

[limber knot]

rm -rf /

[visual egret]

very funny Phoenix

[limber knot]

I think like 10,000 of those Discord lines are from spam bots :P

[worn ember]

doesnt "shutdown" work?

[olive marlin]

phoenix forgetting to not preserve root smh

[worn ember]

idk i never used wsl

[waxen panther]

wsl

[magic river]

shutdown.exe /r

[visual egret]

not found

[worn ember]

🦀

[magic river]

Uh, are you sure it's WSL?

[tame lantern]

deos papermc log item picked up and dropped?

or do i have to manually do that

[magic river]

Is it still shutdown.com or something?

[potent fossil]

?

[magic river]

Why would paper log item drops?

[potent fossil]

it has events for those lol, but it doesn't log them

[visual egret]

I’m pretty sure it is

[limber knot]

sudo shutdown ?

[magic river]

Can you run any other windows commands from that terminal?

Maybe they removed that in WSL2?

[warm anchor]

What’s Oskar try to do today

[potent fossil]

to shutdown wsl, you need to open regular powershell and do wsl --shutdown

[magic river]

Trying to shut down Windows from inside WSL

[visual egret]

I’m trying to do it the other way round

[potent fossil]

i think it's isolated now

so you can't

WSL1 could

[worn ember]

would make sense

[ashen cliff]

Can you access the Windows file system?

[potent fossil]

through a mount only

[ashen cliff]

F.

[warm anchor]

Ugh

[magic river]

I swear they had some kind of proxy setup that piped stdin and stdout back and forth still but maybe not

[worn ember]

gets on horse sudo shutdown.exe

[magic river]

WSL was smart enough to basically let you pipe windows commands to linux commands back to windows commands

[worn ember]

sounds like a good recipe to break stuff

[potent fossil]

yeah i think that was WSL1 tho? or maybe im wrong

right, if you run from powershell and do wsl <linux command> | <windows command> that works

but you can't run windows commands inside wsl

can also do <windows command> | wsl <linux command>

but from windows

[visual egret]

Wait no it worked

It restarted my pc

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/cmO6QkJhuu4 the song of my people

[potent fossil]

wait pog https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop#run-windows-tools-from-linux

[magic river]

So it's a path issue

[potent fossil]

seems like it

or he's disabled interop https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop#run-windows-tools-from-linux

[magic river]

WSL (WSL1, to be explicit) was also smart enough to inject the Windows path in to the end of the Linux one

[potent fossil]

actually looks like it still does

windows stuff is in my path

so i feel like this is pebkac

https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/🐺🛸🐔🤐🚌.png

[brave radish]

I was bored while installing

Here comes Ubuntu
Here comes Ubuntu
Right down USB lane
Coming to fix all the Windows problems
Right down USB lane!
Python and snapd, even the kernel, all are newer than yours.
Scanning hard drives and if this works then Minecraft may run tonight
Here comes Ubuntu
Here comes Ubuntu...

[potent fossil]

k

[ashen cliff]

You know what to do.

[worn ember]

Never gonna give you up

[magic river]

snapd 🤢

[limber knot]

lmao

more like snap'd amirite?!?

[waxen panther]

snap 😬

[magic river]

Not a huge fan of flatpak either but at least it's a common thing and not Canonical trying to EEE the ecosystem again

[limber knot]

did someone say snap? https://github.com/Phoenix616/Snap

runs

[magic river]

Ok maybe not that last E, they wouldn't make any money that way 😛

But they keep trying to turn Ubuntu in to a closed ecosystem

[limber knot]

well they need to make money somehow

[worn ember]

ubuntu lul

[brave radish]

I know it really isn't that slow, but I saw some article saying "People keep saying snap is slow, but look! It's not!" and then showed benchmarks to prove it

VLC in the benchmark was like 66% slower....

[ashen cliff]

It's not just about that.

[brave radish]

what isn't? why snap is bad?

[potent fossil]

You're going to trigger Krusic.

[ashen cliff]

You know what would be cool? If we removed old snaps after we update to a new version.

[potent fossil]

And potentially also Amaranth

[ashen cliff]

Let's just not provide a integrated method for that.

[brave radish]

krusic I don't think you need to convince anyone snap is bad lol

[ashen cliff]

I just want you to know the pain of running Ubuntu on 16GB of flash storage.

[brave radish]

LOL

[ashen cliff]

I keep removing, but keep running out of storage.

[brave radish]

I mean it does run on the Pi now so that's a lot of ppl

And yes I've dealt with tiny storage confines before. For some complicated reason I had to run a VM on in a live Ubuntu session on a 16GB drive. To make it worse, the usable filesystem on the live image is a lot smaller then that

[olive marlin]

Canonical moved a lot of their products to snap-only and they come with like 10 apps inside and you can't edit their stupid configs to debug anything, cause it automatically overwrites them...

glances at MAAS

[ashen cliff]

You people need config files?

[brave radish]

Five minutes later:

Here comes Debian
Here comes Debian
Right down Thunderbolt lane
Coming to fix all Ubuntu's problems
Right down Thunderbolt lane!
Flashing and checking and then installing all to hopefully work
Unpacking bash and if this works then Debian runs tonight

[ashen cliff]

Needs more SystemD.

Remove all the default aliases.

[olive marlin]

I just wanted to add logging so that I can debug stuff

[limber knot]

Z​om​bi​eC​hi​ck​en​Ma​n: I fear that you will end up at Aline Linux eventually

[ashen cliff]

No more reboot, no more shutdown, no more service.

[limber knot]

*Alpine

[celest terrace]

I made my own (first) plugin, posted it in spigot but forgot to put it on git and now I lost the source code 😦 😡

[olive marlin]

Decompile it.

[brave radish]

it's java. just decompile it lol

[olive marlin]

You'll need to recreate build scripts and such, but code will be there :)

[brave radish]

only in VMs

[celest terrace]

Yeah but it's kinda stupid xd

[olive marlin]

Happens.

That's why I backup my projects too. In case they aren't I git yet.

[brave radish]

alr imma go now cuz my power company is yelling at people to stop using electricity

[celest terrace]

<_<

Yeah smart move Professor

[brave radish]

not that MacBooks actually use any power anyway lol

these things are magic

[olive marlin]

I just don't trust myself with anything, so I always need to have backups :P

[brave radish]

this is why I'm migrating to a server with 12TB of disk space for a 5 person (max) world

[celest terrace]

Yeah I'm glad it's just a very small plugin

It's probably on my drive but it's to much to search through.

[olive marlin]

If you remember name of one of files, it shouldn't be hard or take too long.

Though that depends on system you are running and if you have something like locatedb or whatever it was called.

https://www.freepressjournal.in/business/data-breach-32-billion-email-and-password-leaked
Bonus:

Slack is informing a large section of its users to change their passwords as the company had stored the passwords of its users in plain text

[celest terrace]

Yup I found it and I put it on git now hehe

😄

[olive marlin]

Apparently up to 70% of internet users might be impacted xD

[wraith trail]

70% of internet users do not use slack

well, I guess it depends how impacted is defined

[olive marlin]

Slack was just bonus.

[warm anchor]

100% of the stat is made up

[olive marlin]

It's apparently combined from many breaches.

Including Netflix and such.

[celest terrace]

Netflix breach?

Shit well good thing I don't have netflix 😄

[warm anchor]

Google Chrome likes to remind me that my local power company is a piece of shit and my password is breached

every month that I log in to pay my bill

[celest terrace]

Im on haveibeenpwned because of Mcbans lol.

"Slack is informing a large section of its users to change their passwords as the company had stored the passwords of its users in plain text for a period of a month between December 21, 2018 and Jan 21, 2019." how responsible of this huge corporation lol

[olive marlin]

Just a month. But still.

Probably it was logged by mistake or something.

[warm anchor]

You'd be surprised how many big multi national corp does that plain text password thing

[olive marlin]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to protect against it in most modern languages, yet it requires work so...

[spiral robin]

Wonder what the advantages are to plain text passwords?

[olive marlin]

Ease of storage and management.

[potent fossil]

anyone know what the behavior of caffeine is if you invalidate an entry and then, potentially before the removal is processed, a load request is sent in? would it finish processing the removal listener first and then load? or load anyway regardless of removal having not yet processed? or just return the cached value which hasn't yet been removed (but has been invalidated)

[warm anchor]

I mean if you have physical access to most boomer management's office you'd find their password sticky on a note

[potent fossil]

@warm anchor can confirm

[warm anchor]

yes LOL

No amount of security can help with that

[potent fossil]

my workplace (bank) did a security audit at the local branches and found unlocked desk drawers with approximately a stack of (give or take 1-2K) 10K USD each

:)

[magic river]

That slack password thing is for slack for android

They were apparently not using secure storage or tokens for credentials on there

https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/10/22277054/slack-android-psa-password-reset-email-plaintext

[potent fossil]

wow

[magic river]

Oh, they were logging passwords

They claim only android itself should have been able to see them unless you rooted your phone

And you had to log in between Dec 21 and Jan 21

Not use the app, log in to a server for the first time

[olive marlin]

Yeah, they usually get logged by mistake i feel like.

[magic river]

Proper use of nominal types (aka, not javascript) and skipping the toString implementation would have stopped that

Some static analysis tools actually try to track that stuff for you

[olive marlin]

Yeah. Need to wrap the password in a custom struct/class which doesn't show it/implements tostring which just says that it's hidden.

Something like Rust secrecy crate. Quite nice for such things.

[magic river]

Any buffer that could be filled with user provided input is flagged and any time it gets read from or combined with a trusted buffer without certain checks happening first it spits out a warning

[olive marlin]

Issue is still with passing it to http libraries and such.

Since if they have loggers...

[magic river]

At some level you're going to have to send the thing out as a string, that's what it is

You can at least ensure the code you control doesn't do something dumb with it though

[olive marlin]

Yup.

[magic river]

Note: I have never done this and the thought of working on a system that does makes me want to go jump off a cliff 😛

We had something similar when I worked at a... you know, I don't know what you'd call them

Somewhere in the financial/banking industry

[olive marlin]

A discord lib crate i used for writing a bot, I made 2 PRs to remove it logging bot token from logs... And they rejected 3rd PR adding the secrecy crate to avoid accidental leaks.

[magic river]

I didn't have to care about it though because the stuff I wrote basically just took in an object tree someone else's parser created, maybe shuffled it around a little, and passed it to a serializer someone else wrote

And someone else was responsible for authentication before getting to me

And we had regex filters in the logger to try to catch obvious leaks

You could almost automate the job I had out of existence, I even made a boilerplate generator that almost did so

Even still any time I had to interact with the secret data parts I hated it

[celest terrace]

All this for logs stored on the users device?

[magic river]

Oh no, I was working on the software that runs your bank accounts and credit cards

If you ever wonder why the website for your store credit card looks like it came from 2004 then I'm sorry, I tried

[celest terrace]

Lmao nice...

What progamming language was this in?

[magic river]

Java of course

Well, it was all a Java adapter and frontend for COBOL

[celest terrace]

Logging on websites is not a huge issue though right

As everything is server-sided anyways

[magic river]

Dude if I logged your bank account number the company could be fined

[vivid ivy]

Do you guys have any ideas how to properly implement something like re-occuring donations with associated ranks/permissions properly? I don't really want to set up something like craftstore because I don't want to give the impression that people are actually buying anything but rather just donating for the support. I've been strongly considering patreon and handling ranks manually and just keeping an excel file about donators

[magic river]

I swear Patreon has an API

[vivid ivy]

Care to elaborate?

[celest terrace]

That would suck for my bank

[vivid ivy]

I mean there is this:
https://docs.patreon.com/#api-libraries

but I have the most basic, rudimentary understanding of coding you can imagine, I don't think I'd be capable of doing anything with that.

[magic river]

https://docs.patreon.com/#get-api-oauth2-v2-campaigns-campaign_id

Oh, you want a premade thing

Uh, nope, no idea

[vivid ivy]

I'm just generally looking for intel honestly

Whether it is something premade or not, any spitballing of ideas can potentially help

[magic river]

So close https://github.com/MCLink-Modding/MCLink

[vivid ivy]

Yep, just saw that on spigot as well

[celest terrace]

Amaranth, how do these things even get logged in the first place? I'm working as a web developer for several years on things like Magento and I've never heard about this issue

[magic river]

That's for automatically whitelisting patrons, similar idea but not quite

[vivid ivy]

I guess this could be expanded for ranks relatively easily?

[magic river]

We logged everything, except the things we couldn't

[vivid ivy]

I do have a coder on my side but he only takes small scope projects, this could be worthwhile expanding

[magic river]

You could come to me and say "the 10th request I made 3 weeks ago to /api/foo give the incorrect answer" and I could go look up what you sent me, what I did with it, and what I sent you back

[celest terrace]

Oh make sense for a bank I guess

Pretty neat

[magic river]

If you kept the request ID, because we generated a UUID for every request, I could find it even faster

[zealous wedge]

yeah, a lot easier to audit anything happening

[magic river]

Otherwise first I'd have to figure out what the UUID was

[zealous wedge]

especially when you can't just toss random logging into prod

[magic river]

I've kept the UUID part at my current job, I added that to our systems at least

We aren't as careful about logging the entire request/response process though

[celest terrace]

I'm just using Sentry 😛

[magic river]

If you get a 500 error from one of our APIs though I can take the UUID (which is included in the error message you get) and go look up the stacktrace though

Yeah, we actually run a sentry server for our frontend and have a project in there for the server, some day maybe we'll even hook it up

[celest terrace]

I guess you'd need something like Apache Solr or Elasticsearch to look through all those logs 😄

[magic river]

https://www.splunk.com/

[celest terrace]

Trusted by 91 of the Fortune100

gg

[magic river]

Oh they seem to do a lot more than last time I looked

When I actually used stuff from them it was just log storage, indexing, and structural search

[celest terrace]

This seems pretty sweet I bet it's expensive

[magic river]

Like, you could tell it a field was JSON and then it'd let you query on fields inside that JSON

Or if you told it a field was a date you could now do range searches on it

It was basically https://www.graylog.org/ but better

...and I just learned graylog is more than an open source thing, now they push the managed version hard

[celest terrace]

The more I get into Java the more I begin to realize how little I actually know about programming

I mean I know OOP concepts and design patterns (In PHP) but there are so many more things to learn about

PHP is still pretty sweet though... It's so much more flexible.

[spiral robin]

php

laravel

[celest terrace]

I knew something like that would happen xD

[spiral robin]

php 8.0

[celest terrace]

well they have a JIT compiler now it's pretty noise

pretty fasttt

[spiral robin]

yeah its insane

still waiting for attributes to become mainstream :p

[celest terrace]

and variable type declaration 😛

But for example Reflection in PHP

is so much simpler

[spiral robin]

hm?

unless i misunderstand you, you can already do this

[celest terrace]

You can now do stuff like private String test

in PHP

[spiral robin]

private ClassName $thing; private array|string|object $thing;

ohhhh

i thought you meant youre waiting to be able to do that

my bad

[celest terrace]

Yes well in PHP 7 you could set return variables in methods

[spiral robin]

yes

[celest terrace]

But now you can set it in classes as well

[waxen panther]

aber is php MAN

[spiral robin]

[celest terrace]

Did you guys do uni computer science to git good?

[spiral robin]

doing that right now :p

[waxen panther]

i am in uni for compsci, however it's been like 8 months now and i havent learnt a single thing

except from how to be agile!!!

[spiral robin]

because ur asleep all day

[waxen panther]

im asleep all day because i read their stupid powerpoints before hand and fall asleep

[celest terrace]

I'm doing a 4 year bachelor for computer engineer

And it sucks

I haven't learned a single thing since I started

[waxen panther]

im doing a 3 year theoretical compsci

but i might move to reg compsci

i want to do a masters after hopefully

[formal turret]

i'm going back to get a bachelors now lol

cause i want the paper

[celest terrace]

The main problem with mine is it doesn't have any math

[spiral robin]

@waxen panther move to canadanda and we will go together and be roommates ok

[waxen panther]

PaperMC House ?

[celest terrace]

Do you know the term "package selection"

[spiral robin]

[magic river]

Those two messages have me thinking of dick in a box now

[celest terrace]

xD

it basically is

[formal turret]

computer engineering without any math?

[celest terrace]

YES

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt0spqQtMKg

[celest terrace]

We have to work with Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's

[potent fossil]

huh o.o

[celest terrace]

And learn about Scrum and Package selection

[vivid ivy]

I've studied game development for 4 years, I have yet to write a line of code

[potent fossil]

that sounds like you're studying software dev with hardware mix not comp eng o.o

scrum/package selection is like part of project management, which is a central part of a software eng degree

[vivid ivy]

But I can do great academic research, woo

[potent fossil]

o.o

[celest terrace]

Same man

if you ever need someone to choose a package for you

I'm your guy

[potent fossil]

what kind of sham magic houses are you people studying at

[spiral robin]

@potent fossil

why did you attend this uni then

if it has this awful rep

[potent fossil]

[spiral robin]

send snaps

[potent fossil]

no u

[spiral robin]

ah

[vivid ivy]

I had no idea it would be like this, profs lied to us about what the study was gonna be lol

[celest terrace]

ugh it all sound so familiar

[vivid ivy]

Anyways, that was my rant, thanks for listening

[celest terrace]

Well at least you'll have a good paper by the end of it

Not a single company will ever ask about your grades or anything else

0 fucks given

[vivid ivy]

Thesis deadline is in march, i quit a week ago

Can't do it man

[celest terrace]

Ah, well. Nvm xD

That sucks

I mean you can still put it on your CV probably

Put in 8px "didn't graduate"

I'm hopefully going to be finding a way to get my Math B certificate so I can attend a decent uni

Because I have 3 more years to go

They said the first year is the hardest

[vivid ivy]

I hope I never have to attend any "education facilities" again

Such wasted time

[celest terrace]

well working is wasting time as well

doesn't really matter what you do

imho

[vivid ivy]

If i had worked on my own projects during these 5 years, I would've learned the stuff we learned in uni in like 2 months without the added depression and debt

[celest terrace]

that's true

the dept makes it slightly scary

I'm estimated to have 40k dept

for a bachelor

by the end of all this fun

[vivid ivy]

I have slightly less i think

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-unfortunate-and-sad-doesnt-seems-good-thats-is-so-sad-unlucky-bar-rescue-gif-17528713

[celest terrace]

Lmfao

Ahhh it's fine! here you can pay it back in 30 years or so

with 0% interest

[potent fossil]

ill have like 12k because i went to community college first

[vivid ivy]

[potent fossil]

or something like that

[vivid ivy]

Why is that an emote here

[potent fossil]

because it's god's one true operating system

[magic river]

.g templeos

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) TempleOS is a biblical-themed lightweight operating system designed to be the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible. It was created by American programmer Terry A. Davis, who developed it alone over the course of a decade after a series of manic episodes that he later described as a revelation from God. The system was characterized as a modern x86-64 Commodore 64, using an interface similar to a mixture of DOS and Turbo C. Davis proclaimed that th

[vivid ivy]

You glow in the dar.... Uhhh nevermind.

[celest terrace]

I saw Linus tech tips video about that os

very noise

[potent fossil]

yea a lot of people recently learned about it thanks to LTT probably thanks to jake smh

[vivid ivy]

I think my first introduction was 4chan

[magic river]

Didn't his van get hit by a train while he was sleeping in it or something?

[vivid ivy]

And then down the rabbit hole

[spiral robin]

[vivid ivy]

May he rest in peace

[celest terrace]

f

[potent fossil]

u wot

[magic river]

In his final video, recorded on a bench at the Dalles Wasco County Library and uploaded hours before his death, he explained that he had removed most of his videos because he did not wish to "litter" the Internet, and that he had learned how to "purify" himself.

[potent fossil]

terry got hit by a train

thats how he died

[magic river]

On the evening of August 11, 2018, while walking alongside railroad tracks in The Dalles, Oregon, Davis was struck and killed by a Union Pacific train. Investigators could not determine whether his death was suicide or accidental, although the train engineer believed his death to be a suicide.

[potent fossil]

yes

[celest terrace]

Wow

That's so sad

[potent fossil]

poor guy was very troubled, but he brought us The Temple

for that I will forever be grateful

[vivid ivy]

Fun topics here tonite

[celest terrace]

Amaranth knows a lot about logs 😛

[magic river]

btw, splunk and graylog are basically trying to implement the holy grail of nosql databases

[celest terrace]

He could probably log your entire life and search through how many times you picked your nose 😄

[potent fossil]

Amaranth has approximate knowledge of many things and high knowledge of some things

[magic river]

You feed them arbitrary blobs of data and try to create structure out of them afterward

[vivid ivy]

I really want to share a terry video but... I really shouldn't, so I won't.

[potent fossil]

k

[magic river]

I read a lot and like knowing things

Plus I've optimized my brain for google existing

I wouldn't know shit about a lot of things if I didn't have an internet connection, I mostly remember enough about something to know how it would be relevant and how to look it up later

[celest terrace]

Yeah exactly...

It's almost impossible to remember everything. I've had people call me out because I couldn't tell them the specific laravel method to use x

How am I supposed to remember every single method Taylor wrote

Nobody cares either

I had to do this quiz to get into a company... It basically had questions like:
When using preg_match() in which order do you need to put the parameter:

a: $needle, $haystack
b: $haystack, $needle

[magic river]

I meant things like what is a kd-tree and why would you use it, how do persistent data structures work, what's the name of the reimplementation of mysql that automatically builds on-demand and auto-updating caches for commonly used queries, etc

[potent fossil]

im even more curious how your school calls your program "computer engineering" vacoup

or you just applied to the very wrong job

[magic river]

https://github.com/mit-pdos/noria

[potent fossil]

:o

[waxen panther]

computer engineering is a different course

the course exists here

[magic river]

At a high level, Noria takes a set of parameterized SQL queries (think prepared statements), and produces a data-flow program that maintains materialized views for the output of those queries. Reads now become fast lookups directly into these materialized views, as if the value had been directly cached in memcached. The views are then kept up-to-date incrementally through the data-flow, which yields high write throughput.

I feel like your school should be teaching you how to make one of those for that degree 😛

[potent fossil]

yea he said he was in comp eng but then is doing stuff like studying project management (scrum/package selection? wat) and getting asked PHP language questions on interviews

w@t

[waxen panther]

o

[celest terrace]

Well if you have to keep reading it does that mean you really understand the concept?

oh the interview wasnt school related xD

I've been working as a php dev for 4 years and before that I went to community college

[potent fossil]

oh mkay

[celest terrace]

But yeah ur definitely right either way lol

[magic river]

Your coursework kind of sounds like it should be from a community college

[celest terrace]

The community college was basically do whatever you want whenever you want

You'll get your degree in 4 years

[magic river]

Computer engineering is supposed to be the hybrid of electrical engineering and computer science

[celest terrace]

With ours you have several options

I chose embedded systems and software engineering

[magic river]

basically working on embedded devices and robots

[celest terrace]

Yes

That's why we have to work with arduino's

But that's because of corona apparently

Otherwise we would've worked with factory arm robots

or something

[magic river]

Are you working with them as in using the i2c pins and such to control things or just treating them as computers with less RAM?

[celest terrace]

Well it just started last week but until now we've had to calculate certain ohms

and watts

and put LED's in certain areas of the board

[magic river]

Oh, if you just started that makes sense

[celest terrace]

the end result has to be a music player powered by an raspberry pi

[magic river]

Usual tasks involving computer engineers include writing software and firmware for embedded microcontrollers, designing VLSI chips, designing analog sensors, designing mixed signal circuit boards, and designing operating systems. Computer engineers are also suited for robotics research, which relies heavily on using digital systems to control and monitor electrical systems like motors, communications, and sensors.

[celest terrace]

Yeah seems legit

It's only 1 semester of that though